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Speaker 1: the Phoenix lights. That's what we're diving into in the

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Speaker 1: third episode of our UFO Playlist, celebrating the recent US

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: because I'm the uber Boss. Yes, exactly, exactly. Today we

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Speaker 1: from his backyard and he was able to see close

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Speaker 1: enough that he could discern it was a formation of airplanes.

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Speaker 1: He used a magnification of sixty x that more or

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Speaker 1: less put some sixty times closer to the V than

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Speaker 1: people who are viewing it unaided, and he said he

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Speaker 1: could see each light in the sky was actually a

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Speaker 1: double with one light under each squarish wing. The planes

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Speaker 1: looked small in his scope, and that suggests they were

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Speaker 1: flying at a very high altitude, which comes into play later.

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Speaker 1: But he did not know what type of plane they were.

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Speaker 1: There was no doubt, he said that these were definitely planes.

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Speaker 1: He doubled down on that. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: some of the video footage that was captured on that night,

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Speaker 1: in it looks like people are talking about this big

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Speaker 1: black V right or the boomerang. It looks in some

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Speaker 1: of those videos like there is blacked out sky with

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Speaker 1: a light in the center of it, and that occurs

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Speaker 1: six individual times, kind of in a formation. And again

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Speaker 1: there are numerous videos that you can see online of this.

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Speaker 1: To me, to my eyes, that's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: I can imagine if it really were six individual planes

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Speaker 1: with the wings going out in the way they do

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Speaker 1: in that V formation, they're gonna overlap enough where the

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Speaker 1: you know, the blacked out sky behind those wings, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna look like it's connected. And if you've got highly

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Speaker 1: experienced pilots, particularly those who were in a military flying

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Speaker 1: in formation, it's going to be so rigid and flying,

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Speaker 1: you know, with with such regularity with that formation that

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Speaker 1: I can imagine as it's going overhead or something, you

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Speaker 1: would visualize the entire thing as one. Oh yeah, totally,

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Speaker 1: I can see that. I just want to put that

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Speaker 1: out there. Well, what about the second event or Taka

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Speaker 1: has an explanation for that too, right, Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: This was seen as a string of flares dropped by

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Speaker 1: the Maryland Air and National Guard over the North Tech

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Speaker 1: Military Range and Ortega rights on this one. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: problem developed later when people conflated reports of the two sightings,

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Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier. For the many people who would

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Speaker 1: seeing the earlier V pass directly over their heads, the

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Speaker 1: explanation of the flares made absolutely no sense whatsoever. News

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Speaker 1: organizations didn't differentiate between the two events or report on

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Speaker 1: the Stanley identification. That's perfect because that that's one of

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Speaker 1: the key pieces in this story. So USA Today, right,

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Speaker 1: and UH, a couple of other outlets, they just report

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Speaker 1: this stuff, hit the UFO angle hard and don't differentiate

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Speaker 1: between the things. That doesn't mean that they're guilty of

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Speaker 1: purposely trying to mislead people. Just to the point we

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you're asking people what happened after the fact,

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Speaker 1: and it's very plausible for them to assume the same

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Speaker 1: thing was occurring the military and government. As we've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: they originally said Nope, nothing to see here, move along,

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Speaker 1: mosey on down, out of the way. Uh. They later

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Speaker 1: came forward and change their story. You see, Phoenix has

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Speaker 1: two Air Force bases near the city, and to some

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Speaker 1: weekly eventually broke the news that the Maryland to Air

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Speaker 1: National Guard was in Arizona for winter training and they

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Speaker 1: had a squad of eight ten fighters over the gunnery

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Speaker 1: range that night. These fighters had dropped flares. An Arizona

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Speaker 1: National Guard PR officer or Public Information Officer p i

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Speaker 1: O named Captain Eileen Biens had determined that the flares

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Speaker 1: were dropped at get this ten PM over the North

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Speaker 1: Tach Range, thirty miles southwest of Phoenix, at a pretty

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Speaker 1: high altitude fifteen thousand feet, so they would be falling

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Speaker 1: in the air for a long time. Another thing happened.

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Speaker 1: Local governments came forward. Then incumbent Arizona Governor Fife Symington.

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Speaker 1: I love that name. Fife Symington's thought people were being

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Speaker 1: too uptight about this and taking it too seriously, so

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Speaker 1: he arranged a joke press conference. He had a lot

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Speaker 1: of UFO jokes in his speech. He even had one

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Speaker 1: of his poor aides come up on stage in an

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Speaker 1: alien costume and he was like, all right, everybody calmed down,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's just have a good time out here

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. But then later on a few years, as

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Speaker 1: the years passed, he pulled a total one eight. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: He he told the story about how, oh, I actually

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Speaker 1: saw something on that night. I was mentioning that there's

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Speaker 1: a thing called Squaw Peak there near the middle of Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy, at least from the reporting that I read,

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Speaker 1: He's the person who said, yes, I saw something come

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Speaker 1: over Squaw Peak. And it was like that v formation.

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Speaker 1: It was the lights like that, and that's right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of Phoenix, in the Phoenix area. Um. And

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Speaker 1: he apologized and he was just like, hey, yeah, um

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Speaker 1: my bad. Um. The lights are a great mystery that

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Speaker 1: couldn't have been flares because it was too symmetrical, according

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Speaker 1: to his own eyewitness account of it, even though he

514
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: made fun of it. Interesting, huh, preaching to the converted,

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Speaker 1: I guess. Interesting. Well, ultimately, what it sounds like is

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Speaker 1: a politician that was afraid of, you know, ridicule, because

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Speaker 1: we do know that there was a I believe a

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Speaker 1: city council member who brought it up in a meeting

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Speaker 1: and then for the next months and months and months

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Speaker 1: she was just made fun of relentlessly at her office

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00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: and in public, right, right, And this remains a divisive

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Speaker 1: topic for people in the area or uf bologists versus

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Speaker 1: skeptics today. You know. Skeptics, for their part, are quick

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Speaker 1: to point out that, with a few notable exceptions, the

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Speaker 1: majority of witnesses were watching again with the naked eye,

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Speaker 1: stationary positions on the ground, so they can be easily

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Speaker 1: fooled into inaccurate estimates of very important factors like size, altitude,

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Speaker 1: and speed. But for the ufologists there is one big advantage,

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Speaker 1: at least in terms of rhetoric and an argument. They

530
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Speaker 1: can say, well, it wouldn't be the first time that

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Speaker 1: the government did something sketchy and then lied about it.

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00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: It's absolutely true. Uh you know. The only the only

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Speaker 1: comeback you have for that is to say that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that this is one of those cases. Right, Just

535
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: because a car has driven through um Bedford, Massachusetts, doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that all cars drive through Bedford, Massachusetts. True, I'm

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00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: phrasing that in an awkward way, but but it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: and now it brings us to the conclusion we have

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Speaker 1: to ask, what do you what do you think? Let's

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Speaker 1: walk through it. Let's say, and let's just speculate here.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that the most out there conspiracy theories are

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Speaker 1: correct that in March of extra terrestrials or extra dimensional

543
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: entities or time travelers or whatever came to the Phoenix,

544
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Speaker 1: Arizona area and did a flyover. Thousands of people saw it.

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Speaker 1: Why would they do that? They didn't know where they were,

546
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: they were lost, they were trying to find Hollywood. They

547
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: saw the lights of Las Vegas and they made a

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00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: pass over Las Vegas because they saw the pyramid down there,

549
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: the Luxor, and they were like, oh, well, this is

550
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: obviously you know, this is the ancient shape they've you know,

551
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: paid homage to us. Oh wait a second, what's going

552
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: on down there? They did a scan, they realized it

553
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: was people, you know, just throwing their money into slot machines,

554
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: and they went, oh, geez, that's now we're supposed to be.

555
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Let's keep going down the path here. They went over

556
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Speaker 1: Phoenix and they were like, and they kept going, sorry

557
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: everybody in Phoenix. And then uh, they finally they made

558
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Speaker 1: it down down Mexico away and they just stayed. They

559
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Speaker 1: just stayed there because they really liked it. I mean,

560
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, we've all been there, right, Yeah, at least

561
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Speaker 1: in the state of mind, in the Mexico state of mind. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's one idea. Um, okay, let's say, what if it

563
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Speaker 1: was U S military craft? Why and how would they

564
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Speaker 1: do this? Well? Currently, this seems to be the most

565
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: solid explanation, but there's one big gap in the story,

566
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Speaker 1: one that rightly bothers a lot of people. We don't

567
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: know for sure where the craft originated. Nobody requested the

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00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: radar information from the f A, a Federal Aviation Administration

569
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Speaker 1: within two weeks. The records for this kind of stuff

570
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: are usually deleted within that two week span, so we'll

571
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Speaker 1: never know exactly where those planes came from. Outside of

572
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, the statements of journalists and statements from the military,

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Speaker 1: the mystery remains. I've got something to point out here

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Speaker 1: with the whole explanation of the military craft being a

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Speaker 1: ten fighters. Do you guys know what an a ten

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Speaker 1: fighter is? No? If you are you familiar with that, No,

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Speaker 1: it's they're generally referred to as a war hog. Have

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Speaker 1: you have you ever heard one of these? You've heard

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Speaker 1: them in military movies that I was picturing. I'm assuming

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Ben has have you actually witnessed one of those? So

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Speaker 1: I wonder if we can play a quick sound for

582
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Speaker 1: you if we can find one. If we did find one,

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00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be right here. The Aton war hog

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00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: is a loud Dijet fighter plane, So look it up

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00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: in your time. If you have a momentum, imagine six

586
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: of those flying in formation, even if they're at high altitude,

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00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: you're going to hear them. And a lot of these

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: reports where it was silent craft. Well. Also we have

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Speaker 1: to we have to point out that there are people

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Speaker 1: who have problems with that report to the idea that

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Speaker 1: they were silent because as loud as something is, you

592
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Speaker 1: get it high enough in the air, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: beyond the bound of human hearing. Sometimes you're right, and

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00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: again we don't know. We can't accurately judge the the altitude, right,

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Speaker 1: and we all we also cannot confirm whether or not

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Speaker 1: it was the quote unquote aton word hog sighting or

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Speaker 1: the flair sighting because the flares would be nice and silent. Right, Oh, nice,

598
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Speaker 1: very good point. We hope you enjoy this episode. We're

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Speaker 1: presenting what we found to be the facts as well

600
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Speaker 1: as what we found to be the the more controversial claims.

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Speaker 1: As always, your decision is your own. We don't want

602
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: to tell you what to think, but we darnshore want

603
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: to hear what you think about it. Uh. And there

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00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: is one interesting thing I found that I thought might

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Speaker 1: be useful to some of us listening in the Phoenix area.

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Speaker 1: There is a Phoenix Lights Festival. Uh, aliens are not.

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: It seems like one heck of a party since it's

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Speaker 1: given the valleys electronic dance music scene, a signature event

609
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: to call its own. I've looked at some pictures from

610
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Speaker 1: the party, and while you probably won't meet a legit extraterrestrial,

611
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some interesting encounters. Some eccentric individuals will

612
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: make their way to you. You'll have some memorable events. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you will never see me there just because because

614
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Speaker 1: you're cost dance. Oh it's a it's ead man. You

615
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: don't have to dance. Just very Phil Collins about it. Uh. Furthermore,

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Speaker 1: regardless of what you think mundane or something more, the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Lights have captured the imaginations of millions of people

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Speaker 1: over the past more than two decades, including a ton

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Speaker 1: of people in Hollywood, not just Kurt Russell. Oh sure,

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Speaker 1: I mean the phenomenon was a key plot point for

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Speaker 1: the uh hugely influential found footage horror film Phoenix Forgotten.

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Speaker 1: At this point has has been forgotten largely. Yeah, I

623
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Speaker 1: I I was not aware of it in the first one.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see it? I have not seen it.

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00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: I've got seen apparently can last year. I've seen trailers

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Speaker 1: for it. I mean, honestly, it looks like a Blair

627
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Witch movie based on the Phoenix Lights. Being the main occurrence,

628
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Speaker 1: and that's why these people try and figure out what's

629
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Speaker 1: going on. Found footage films are so tricky. Blair which

630
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: was great. Chronicle was great. If you remember that one, Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: that's where the kids get destructive telekinetic powers from h

632
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Speaker 1: object from space. I actually haven't seen that one, and

633
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Speaker 1: it's been on my watch list for I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how many years, and I'd be really interested to

635
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: see what you think, because they do pretty well film footage.

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Speaker 1: But there's one last note. UFO sightings, as I have

637
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, are fairly common in the Phoenix area, and

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00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: there are reports of strange lights in the desert sky

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Speaker 1: multiple times every single year. But it was a little

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Speaker 1: didn't even look at. That Phoenix City councilwoman or former

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