1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, recording live from our podstream 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: studios in Times Square. Folks, I want to alert you 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: to something that you know. Frankly, when I saw it 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: come across my Twitter, I didn't care, and I don't 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: think that that makes me a bad person. But I 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: am also questioning what it means to just have my empathy. 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: My sympathy just drain out of me over the last 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: eighteen months. But here's the story, and this is according 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: to the Denver Post, conservative radio host and pastor in 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Colorado has become the latest vocal opponent of COVID nineteen 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: precautions to die of the virus. Yep, Bob ein art. 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: If that's how you pronounce his name, I really don't care. 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: Pastor of the Denver Bible Church, died on Monday, according 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: to a Facebook post by his co host Fred Williams. 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: One Yard, whose Real Science Radio show, which is Real 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: Science Radio show really railed against what is described as 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: the quote imagine burden of COVID nineteen cases on hospitals, 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: offered advice on treating the virus from the Bible and 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: accused fake news outlets of exaggerating the severity of the virus, 21 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: had opted against getting the vaccine, citing the nonsensical claim 22 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: that the COVID nineteen vaccines rely on cells of aborted babies. 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: So he's a fucking Oh, I'm sorry. He was a 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: fucking lunatic and an asshole and now he's dead. And 25 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: I wonder, in all honesty what the members of his 26 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: church think. Did they just not pray enough? Did they 27 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: just not harass enough women who were seeking an abortion? 28 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: Did they just not talk enough shit? Right? Did they 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: not spread enough lies? Like? Is that the reason why 30 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: he died? Or do they think that maybe his death 31 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: is a hoax as well? Do they think that maybe 32 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: that Bob ein Yard is now somewhere looking over them 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: from a secret pocket of heaven that is just for 34 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: COVID deniers, right? Is he there? How do you justify, 35 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: right at this stage, eighteen months into a pandemic where 36 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: we finally have a life saving vaccine for where you 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: have fucking kooks like this son of a bitch who 38 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: then decides to spread lies to I want to say, 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: foolish people, people who just will believe anything. Somebody tells 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: them as long as that person isn't a medical professional, 41 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: as long as that person doesn't have any type of 42 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: higher education degree, but as long as they are the 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: best snake salesman and carry around a fucking Bible in 44 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: their hands, and then that's what we're going to choose 45 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: to what bet our lives on? Will he bet and 46 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: he fucking lost? So I'm just curious. I'm curious what 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: is happening with you folks at the Denver Bible Church 48 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: right Will you now all get vaccinated? Or will you 49 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: just pray about it? I have no empathy for these 50 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: people at all. I really don't, and I will tell 51 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: you this. I know people who are not vaccinated right now. 52 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: I do we all do. I know people who are 53 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: not vaccinated, who wear masks, who social distant, who don't 54 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: go out because they also have decided that they are 55 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: going to take precautions to keep themselves safe in a 56 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: way that works for them, and then also the people 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: around them, and they're getting tested regularly. I say, however, 58 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: just get fucking vaccinated. And what is forcing some people 59 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: that I know to do that are these federal mandates 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: that are rolling out where they're saying that if you 61 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: are working in a building, if you're going to work 62 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: with kids, if you're a healthcare worker, you must be vaccinated. 63 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: Why people are flipping out about that, I have no idea, 64 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: Because you wouldn't be able to go to school, go 65 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: to the hospital, go to all of these places if 66 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: in fact, you weren't vaccinated for the measles, polio, chicken pox, 67 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: all of these things that we don't see flare ups 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: of anymore. You know why, because a vaccine was created. 69 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: I am at a point where, like most vaccinated Americans 70 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and most Americans with scents, which is only half of 71 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the country, am at a place where I no longer 72 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: want to feel like I am being held hostage. Now 73 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: right now I can say, well, I'm in an okayish position, 74 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: I guess because I live in a blue state with 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a blue governor who has put together mandates. And you 76 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: know you're not going to be able to as the 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: colder months come in New York, you won't be able 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: to eat inside, go to the gym, go to the movies, 79 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: go to theater, do pretty much anything that is indoors 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: without showing your New York Excelsior pass. You're a COVID card, 81 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: you're a health pass, whatever it is that you're using 82 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: to indicate that you are vaccinated. And because of the 83 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: steps that the governor here is taking, it is forcing 84 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: people who still found themselves to be vaccine hesitant to 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: actually do something about it, right, because they're not going 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: to be able to do much if you are not 87 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: vaccinated and you are living in New York. And that's 88 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: the point it was, here's the thing. In the beginning, 89 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: We're going to use masks, and we're going to say 90 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: if you cannot enter into this business, you cannot enter 91 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: into this transit, you cannot go on the subway, you 92 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: cannot go on a bus if you are not wearing 93 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a mask. Well, now we've changed that and said, you 94 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: know what, it's not enough to just wear a mask. No, 95 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: now you need to be vaccinated. Why because it's fucking free. 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: But yet these stupid people want to spend one hundred 97 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: two hundred upwards dollars in order to get fake vaccine 98 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: cards because you're a fucking dummy. I swear to you 99 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: when I tell you that I am losing and this 100 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: is me having lost patience with these people. I think 101 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: that you've tried to be nice. You've tried to meet 102 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: people where they are, You've tried all of these things, 103 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: and at this point, I don't give a fuck anymore. 104 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: If the bob I'm yards of the world don't want 105 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: to take a vaccine and they're gonna drop dead of 106 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: it by all means, I'm saying, speed up the process, Darwin, 107 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: have them all go. I just don't want the people 108 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: that I love and care about to be taken to 109 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: hell with them, right, That's pretty much where I am 110 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: at this point. Like you are holding your own life 111 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: in your hands and that of your community. But you see, 112 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: the barrier between us and your fucking stupidity is the 113 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: fact that I am vaccinated, right, And we'll get the 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: booster when the boosters become available widely available to everybody, 115 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to follow the rules because you know what, 116 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: I want to try and live as full of a 117 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: life as possible in the midst of a global health pandemic. 118 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: Because see, this is what we're all being forced to do, 119 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: to adapt in ways that we should have never been 120 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: forced to adapt, right, And why is that? Because we 121 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: have half of the population that wants to hold the 122 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: other half hostage. They want to articulate, and they want 123 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: to yell and scream and say, no, this is about freedom, 124 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: this is about liberty. No it is not. No, it 125 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: is not there's nothing to do with any of those things. 126 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: And you know nothing about those words. Right. It is 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: about your power. It is about your ability to wield 128 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: power over other people. That's the only thing that they 129 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: give a fuck about. It is this similarly, right about 130 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: people being able to walk into whether it's a concert 131 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: or a school, and wield their ar fifteen and mow 132 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: down a bunch of people, or walking with the freedom 133 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: into a Starbucks with the fucking bazooka on your backs 134 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: so that you can show what a threat and how 135 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: big and bad you are. It's the same fucking bullish, 136 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: bullshit mentality that these motherfuckers have with their anti masket. 137 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh look at me, I'm gonna sit on a plane 138 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and eat a bag of Doritos and ha ha ha 139 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and spit everywhere, or like the fucking COVID Karen and 140 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: that was in Nebraska that wanted to run people down 141 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: in the grocery store and pretend that she was coughing 142 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah and saying, oh, it's 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: my allergies. Well, now, bitch, you're out of a job. 144 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: The thing that we need to start doing with these 145 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: people is take off the goddamn kid gloves. They don't 146 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: deserve them. They are fucking adults. Take off the kid 147 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: gloves and make them feel like they're being held hostage 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: by the fucking truth and not the rest of us, 149 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: because I, for one, am tired of it. Right, we 150 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: should have been able to have some semblance of normal 151 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: without having to watch spikes happen in each and every state. 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: People should be able to go to the hospital when 153 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: they're feeling unwell with non COVID related illnesses and not 154 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: have to be treated in the fucking lobby or in 155 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: the parking lot because the beds are full of people 156 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: that should have been vaccinated. I am out of space, 157 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: and I am in a place where if you were 158 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: to have me on anyone's TV and any kind of future, 159 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: the hot shit that will come out of my mouth 160 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: is going to be very real because I'm done. I'm 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: done with the foe, Like, what is this the performance, 162 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: the pandemic performance that Republicans are doing. I'm done with 163 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: the fucking Jim Jordan's of the World tweeting that in 164 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: real America, COVID is done, bitch. In real America, COVID 165 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: is all over the fucking maps. You look at where 166 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: all the red states are red. They're red filled with blood. 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: That's what they are red filled with, right because you 168 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: are allowing your constituents to die because you think that 169 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: that's the way that you're going to fucking own the Libs. 170 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: And you see Democrats sitting by warning again to say 171 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: here's the carrot, here's the carrot. And what I'm saying 172 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: is beat them over the fucking head with it. I 173 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: am tired of playing nice. I am tired of looking 174 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: to be the bigger person. And like doctor Jonathan Mexil 175 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: will be coming up next on the show, will say, 176 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, we just had the recognition of the anniversary, 177 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven, and he says that 178 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: that was a crisis that had a beginning, a middle, 179 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: and an end. It had a common enemy, whether imagined 180 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: or real. Our patriotism was at an all time high. 181 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: Whatever that means for you. I'm sure if you're a 182 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: Muslim American you feel a little differently. But the reality 183 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: is is that for better or for worse, we were 184 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: able to come together friends as always, you know that 185 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: when it is Wednesday, I'm always excited, well, you know, 186 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: I guess as excited as one can be about the 187 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: end of days to talk with our in house doctor, 188 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan and Metsol who is back in Tennessee at 189 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: his university. Jonathan, do you feel like COVID has become 190 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: the perfect political weapon for Republicans because it is something 191 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: that does not happen in broad daylight, right, that people 192 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: are dying behind closed doors that we are not. We 193 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: don't because of hippo laws and things. We don't have 194 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: cameras that are going into hospitals that are that are 195 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: by people's bedsides, so that we understand what the what 196 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: the end really looks like, right, and what these healthcare 197 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: workers are up against, like this is not you know, 198 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting to me as I'm thinking about 199 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: this that you know, we're a country that always wants 200 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: to applaud the troops, right, but then when the troops 201 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: come home and they're in need of care and services, 202 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: we do nothing for them. Right. They're they're left to 203 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: beg in front of you know, in front of the 204 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: in front of the veterans hospitals, right for basic needs 205 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: to be met, But we want to applaud the troops 206 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: and put out yellow ribbons. It's kind of the same 207 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: way that I feel about our healthcare professionals. To your 208 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: earlier point, we wanted to open up windows and applaud 209 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: and put up signs and do all of the things 210 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: that folks were doing around Europe and around places to 211 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: show our gratitude for these healthcare workers. But now we 212 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: could care less. Now we harass them, Now we stop them. 213 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: Now we track them, we tell them that we know 214 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: where they live. Right, And I'm wondering, you know, is 215 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: there anything at this point right that would allow for 216 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: people to see this is not an illness that you want. 217 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: This is not something that you want to roll the 218 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: dice with. I mean, we're eighteen months in John, you 219 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: and I have been talking about this for eighteen months. Well, 220 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: like you, I have ranged that. You know, there's plenty 221 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: of other things I'd love to be talking about. I 222 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: was on a flight yesterday and I flew and I 223 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: sat next to somebody scientist from Iceland, and all of 224 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: this is uncorroborated, but He was telling me that they're 225 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: a roughly ninety seven percent vaccinated in Iceland right now, 226 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: and they haven't had a death since May that they 227 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: know of from COVID, and they've opened their doors to tourists. 228 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: People are coming back on tours photography, sight seeing nature 229 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: or all these kind of things. But they have like 230 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: a vibrant health infrastructure and people just kind of buy 231 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: into it. And when people when people go to Iceland, 232 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: for example, you've got to take a negative test, get 233 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: a test right there. If you're negative, that's cool. If not, 234 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: you've got a quarantine. Like there's a whole system, and 235 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: that would be harder here. Of course, we have quite 236 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: a few more people than Iceland. But I would just 237 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: say that being part of a functioning health system, it's 238 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: not just about health systems or health workers like it 239 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: kind of reduces the anxiety for everybody because everybody's kind 240 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: of working together. We're paying the price not just for 241 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: not having that kind of unity, we're having the paying 242 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: the price for not investing in that infrastructure for decades. 243 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we had a great opportunity with the Affordable 244 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: Care Act, believe it or not, as it was first 245 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: written to I mean, the Affordable cat wasn't just about 246 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Medicaid expansion and insurance. It was also about promoting community 247 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: public health, building our public health infrastructure, rewarding communities for 248 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: working together to improve their health outcomes, reducing the stress 249 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: on the healthcare system and on ers. We threw all 250 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: that out the window, particularly under the Trump presidency, and 251 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: now we're really paying the price because we don't have 252 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: the infrastructure. And so it becomes a vicious cycle because, 253 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, the Republicans to cry all this liberty, but 254 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: also the people in Red States don't have another backup 255 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: option because their healthcare system has been destroyed, particularly by 256 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: their leader's rejection of the ACA. I just, you know, 257 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I imagine that this is what help is, right. It 258 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: is It is a bunch of people having access to 259 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: so much information and choosing something else. Right. It is 260 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: people having access having means, you know, to life saving 261 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: technologies and vaccines and just being like, yeah, no, my 262 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: freedom is in how many people I can infect, how 263 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: much harm I can cause before I lead this earth. 264 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: And I really this is our dystopian present, like it 265 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: I never in a million years, given all that we've seen, 266 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: all that we've been through, all that we know about 267 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: this country and its patterns and its hypocrisy, would ever 268 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: think that we would get to a place where we 269 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: have a community of people that are actively trying to 270 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: harm other people, that are actively deciding that you know, 271 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to take a vaccine, but you can't 272 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: get an abortion that harms no one, right, that harms 273 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: no one, that allows you to actually have a life. 274 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to wear a mask which could 275 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: impede your ability to have a life, right like it, 276 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: just like the where we are, just in psychological terms, 277 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: Johnathan just feels crazy, right, And I you know, is 278 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: there a way back from here? Or do we just 279 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: go continue through this dark tunnel for however many years 280 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: and hope that eventually we see light again? Yeah? I mean, 281 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, I as you know, I'm a structuralist, and 282 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: so my sense is that instead of trying to change 283 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: people's minds or even their politics, you build infrastructure and 284 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: structures that reward cooperation and disincentivize the kind of competition 285 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: and tribalism that we have now. I think it's important 286 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: to note that you couldn't pick a worse pathogen for 287 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: our political system almost than the coronavirus. Right, it's an 288 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: airborne pathogen, so it reinforces all kinds of you know, 289 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: fears of other people, of it reinforces tribalism, and so 290 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: part of it is about that. Then you know, people 291 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: who don't play along become risks, right the way that 292 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: an open carry white guy in a Walmart is threatening 293 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: to everybody else and that's where his quote unquote power 294 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: comes from. It's the same thing with an anti masker, right, 295 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: who gets on a plane and what we're a mask. 296 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: That person derives quote unquote power from the threat they 297 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: pose to everybody else. And so um, you know, in 298 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: a way, people become vectors for an ideology, right, for 299 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: this ideology of racial resentment. And I think, I think 300 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: in a way that's where we're at, is that this 301 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: pathogen really is the perfect storm. And it also of 302 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: course enhances equity, structural racism, all these factors are all 303 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: made worse by I mean, it's shining a light on 304 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: us and it's also making things worse. So for me, 305 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of a question of like, how can we 306 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: change the structures so that you know, again, I always 307 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: think about the affordable charact, the affordable Charact ten years 308 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: ago gave us an answer to this pandemic. Right. It 309 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: told us that we're going to build public health infrastructure. 310 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: We're going to keep people healthy, we're going to reduce 311 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: the burden on ers. We're going to build community health 312 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: centers and hospitals in rural underserved areas. So there was 313 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: a whole blueprint, like it or not in the Affordable 314 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: Care Act, and what the Affordable Character would have done 315 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: that would have set us up so much better, so 316 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: much better for this pandemic because we would have had 317 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: not just health infrastructure, but prevent prevention public health infrastructure, 318 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: and instead we kind of watched largely Republicans destroy this 319 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: thing and chip away at it, and so not only 320 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: did it not get to be what it was going 321 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: to become, but it also made us so much more 322 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: vulnerable for this moment. And so for me, I think, 323 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: I don't I'm beyond trying to change anybody's mind, But 324 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: how can we rebuild those kind of infrastructures that build, 325 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: that build community health and prevention. That's it for today's Woke, 326 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: a f daily podcast to hear more from today's show, 327 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: including my full interview with doctor Jonathan Metzel. Support me 328 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: on Patreon at patreon dot com. Slash Woke AF Power 329 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, get 330 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.