Speaker 1: Hurts on the football in the gun again, tied in
Speaker 1: three receivers at Parkley in the backfield.
Speaker 2: Atlanta gonna break forward this time, try to get their
Speaker 2: hurts hit as he pros look as Bates, Yeah what
Speaker 2: thirty two seconds left, Jesse Bates comes up with the
Speaker 2: interception head Atlanta in the thick of the night, has
Speaker 2: stolen one on'e the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3: That was West Durham of w z g C.
Speaker 4: I cannot believe that the Atlanta Falcons won this game,
Speaker 4: that they went up to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: In the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: I'm Greg Rosenthal, this is NFL Daily. I'm with Nick Shuk.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy to be with Nick Shook, and I
Speaker 4: cannot believe how this game ended.
Speaker 3: Nick. With the Eagles.
Speaker 4: Running it down, the Atlanta Falcons throats all night, having
Speaker 4: the ball with one minute in forty six seconds left,
Speaker 4: third down, and they call a pass to Saquon Barkley
Speaker 4: and it's there. The game is gonna be over, but
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley drops it. The Eagles choose not to go
Speaker 4: for it on fourth and three. The Falcons get the
Speaker 4: ball back Kirk Cousins, who didn't look good all night
Speaker 4: goes seventy yards in six plays.
Speaker 3: He had too much time.
Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney shakes Darius Slay for a big play down
Speaker 4: the field. Drake London shakes Darius Slay rather for the touchdown.
Speaker 4: Suddenly Jalen Hurts has the ball and the Falcons defense,
Speaker 4: who didn't get any pressure all night on Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 4: actually did send the blitz on that last play. It
Speaker 4: was a sneaky one five man protection Caden Ellis, who
Speaker 4: starts all the way over on the right tackle, loops
Speaker 4: over to the left tackle and hits Jalen Hurts. As
Speaker 4: it happens, game ending interception in Philadelphia, who was right
Speaker 4: about ninety nine point five percent chance to win that
Speaker 4: game before that third down, lose the game, and both
Speaker 4: of these teams are at one in one, and yet
Speaker 4: it feels to me shook like the Falcons saved their
Speaker 4: season at least for now, and that they ruin your
Speaker 4: NFL dot Com right up that you just finished.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kirk Cousins discovering his old Minnesota form at the
Speaker 5: perfect time to save the Falcons from an zero to
Speaker 5: two start and blow up everything I'd written going down
Speaker 5: the field, leading to masterful drive, after not being able
Speaker 5: to throw the ball consistently all night, after struggling in
Speaker 5: Week one to move the football and dealing with pressure,
Speaker 5: suddenly he's back to old Kirk Cousins and he's shoving
Speaker 5: a stiff arm right in the face of those old
Speaker 5: primetime Kirk. You know all the dishes they used to
Speaker 5: get online. He's four and one now in his last
Speaker 5: five Monday Night football starts, and this one the most
Speaker 5: memorable of them all. Falcons one and one, and you're right,
Speaker 5: they may have just saved their season with this win,
Speaker 5: which they got, as you heard on the call in
Speaker 5: the thick of the night.
Speaker 4: I'm just still stunned by it. It's why we love
Speaker 4: the NFL. That a game that was a little sloppy,
Speaker 4: a little bit of a snoozer, a strange game that
Speaker 4: in the first half was driving Bill Belichick crazy on
Speaker 4: the Manning Cast. Had a chance to watch that just
Speaker 4: I was like, Wow, I get to watch a game
Speaker 4: with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3: This is interesting.
Speaker 4: And he's just annoyed at the Falcons lack of tackling
Speaker 4: and both teams lack of pass rush. I can't remember
Speaker 4: two offensive lines just completely dominating in pass protection and
Speaker 4: in the running game for the most part, although there
Speaker 4: were a lot of penalties called, especially on the Eagles,
Speaker 4: and yet it wasn't really showing up on the scoreboard.
Speaker 4: The quarterbacks weren't all that comfortable, and the Eagles wind
Speaker 4: up getting in a commanding position after Chauncey Gardner Johnson
Speaker 4: blows up a Bijon Robinson run on fourth and one
Speaker 4: to get the Eagles the ball back with under five
Speaker 4: minutes to go. They run all the clock down to
Speaker 4: that moment that I started the show with third down,
Speaker 4: and I was thinking about you when they threw this pass,
Speaker 4: because you're the I'm gonna run the ball guy, and
Speaker 4: this was a night where it was it was a
Speaker 4: nice night for the run the ball guy type of
Speaker 4: night because both these teams they got inside the ten
Speaker 4: and they stopped running it, and it was just making
Speaker 4: me pull my hair out. That Eagles could have scored
Speaker 4: a touchdown I think earlier in the game when they
Speaker 4: threw it to DeVante Smith on the goal line. Jesse
Speaker 4: Bates makes a great play there. What a player Jesse
Speaker 4: Bates is. But they just weren't sticking with Saquon Barkley
Speaker 4: when he was the man and then in this spot
Speaker 4: instead of running the ball there, it would have taken
Speaker 4: the clock down to about a minute. They throw it
Speaker 4: to Saquon. Where you upset at the play call or
Speaker 4: at the execution because I don't I don't mind the
Speaker 4: play call. Saquon had four targets tonight. He caught all
Speaker 4: four passes. It was right there. It was a good throw,
Speaker 4: It was a good decision by Hurts. I'm sure he
Speaker 4: had the option to keep it and he just drops
Speaker 4: it and gives the Falcons a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Tip of the cap to NFL Daily Zone Patrick Claybonn,
Speaker 5: who tweeted three teams did that this weekend. The Browns
Speaker 5: were one of them. The Eagles were another one. Look,
Speaker 5: I understand getting aggressive in that situation trying to put
Speaker 5: the game away, but also don't out coach yourself. And
Speaker 5: it felt like at least in two of those situations
Speaker 5: this week that coaches were out coaching themselves.
Speaker 6: They're out smarting themselves.
Speaker 5: The good thing on the Eagles side is at least
Speaker 5: they rolled Jalen Hurts to his passing arm side like
Speaker 5: the play was there. They just simply did not execute.
Speaker 5: But again, if you think about situationally, like you just said,
Speaker 5: it would have taken it about down to a minute. Well,
Speaker 5: the Falcons need a minute at five to get down
Speaker 5: the field with no timeouts. They have no timeouts. Run
Speaker 5: the clock down as far as you can and kick
Speaker 5: the field goal, make them go seventy plus yards and
Speaker 5: get a touchdown with no timeouts. It's really hard to do.
Speaker 5: They started that drive with a eleven yard completion to
Speaker 5: Kyle Pitts over the middle of the field. You knew
Speaker 5: they had to go quickly. And the next thing you know,
Speaker 5: they're in the red zone and they're scoring a touchdown
Speaker 5: in the blink of an eye. And it's because he
Speaker 5: gave them that extra forty seconds, guys, And that's why
Speaker 5: I'm against hmm.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, for argument's sake, Look, they got it done
Speaker 4: with about forty seconds to go. Now they did have
Speaker 4: the tie out. That's absolutely fair. But I fought the
Speaker 4: last drive more on just even playing good defense all
Speaker 4: night and for you to give up those sideline routes
Speaker 4: is just total, you know, mismanagement of how you are
Speaker 4: playing defense. As I mentioned, London shook Darius Slay on
Speaker 4: the touchdown. It was a great route. There was actually
Speaker 4: a great exchange caught by the cameras afterwards of Slay
Speaker 4: just being like great route, dude. But to give up
Speaker 4: the London play on the sideline that was Quinnon Mitchell.
Speaker 4: They had a deep throw to Darnell Mooney, who had
Speaker 4: an up and down night, but they had a big
Speaker 4: touchdown in this game where it was just they were
Speaker 4: playing too safe. And then they had the play before that,
Speaker 4: another deep out to Mooney where it's Reid blank and
Speaker 4: Ship pushing him out of bounds, but he's getting in
Speaker 4: between the safety and the linebacker. To me, that's where
Speaker 4: they really blew it. Now, I'll give you another spot though,
Speaker 4: where I actually do fault them for the play calling. Now,
Speaker 4: I would have liked them to run the ball on
Speaker 4: the third and three because I just think they would
Speaker 4: have picked it up.
Speaker 3: They had been.
Speaker 4: Running the ball so well on that drive and that
Speaker 4: night that they think they would have gotten it. But
Speaker 4: after it was fourth and three, it wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: that crazy to go for it there. First of all,
Speaker 4: you still just need three yards if you were if
Speaker 4: you were gutsy enough to go for it before you
Speaker 4: win it, you go for it again to win the game.
Speaker 4: But The reason why is when you're up three, teams
Speaker 4: naturally are way more conservative. They actually don't go for
Speaker 4: the touchdown. Bill our friend Bill Barnwell tweeted out, the
Speaker 4: worst lead in sports is up six in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I swear if they were up three. First of all,
Speaker 4: they would have ninety yards to go instead of seventy.
Speaker 4: I'll come back to that in a second, but they
Speaker 4: would have only been down three, and I don't think
Speaker 4: they would have really gone for the touchdown there like
Speaker 4: it to me, it's worth going for it in that spot.
Speaker 4: If you're going to go for the first time, that's
Speaker 4: like next level, like super analytics. Thinking that maybe the
Speaker 4: Eagles weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 5: Well, no, that's that What first came to mind was
Speaker 5: analytics people were probably just pulling their hair out at
Speaker 5: the fact that they approached it this way. But also,
Speaker 5: I think in that instance, when you know, what do.
Speaker 4: You mean, No, I think they wanted him to go
Speaker 4: for it. You mean in terms of passing it instead of.
Speaker 5: Passing on third down and then taking the field goal. Yeah,
Speaker 5: in that situation, for me, if you're really trying to
Speaker 5: put the game away, you treat third down and fourth
Speaker 5: down as two downs to get a first down. So
Speaker 5: you run the ball on third down and you're taking
Speaker 5: the clock down. Let's say you get to fourth and one.
Speaker 5: You have the best play known to man on fourth
Speaker 5: and short, like you're setting yourself up up for a
Speaker 5: better situation. I know we're talking with hindsight as privilege here,
Speaker 5: but still, situationally speaking, the Eagles have become masters of
Speaker 5: fumbling situations like this. This is their fourth loss since
Speaker 5: the start of twenty twenty three in which they had
Speaker 5: a lead inside two minutes. This is a consistent problem
Speaker 5: for the Eagles. The Falcons had a zero point seven
Speaker 5: percent chance of winning this game with less than two
Speaker 5: minutes ago, according to the Next Gen Stats win probability model.
Speaker 5: So you want some analytics there, I just dropped an
Speaker 5: analytical bomb on you.
Speaker 3: We eat that.
Speaker 6: You have to sit with that all week.
Speaker 4: Wait seven, that is just crazy. I can't believe that
Speaker 4: it happened. And Kirk Cousins after the game talked to
Speaker 4: Lisasalter on ESPN, and I think after the game Kirk
Speaker 4: Cousins had it just meant a little more for him
Speaker 4: to play that well down the stretch.
Speaker 1: I still am not sharp enough. You know, I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was sharp enough today, accurate enough. I
Speaker 1: got to be better. But that last drive hopefully can
Speaker 1: give us a boost going into next week. We can
Speaker 1: build on that. You know, there's a lot of new
Speaker 1: and it takes time. I was pleased with the way
Speaker 1: we finished tonight, but there's still so much to be
Speaker 1: better with.
Speaker 4: It's really interesting to me because Lisa Salter set him
Speaker 4: up to say, like, what a tough week you had
Speaker 4: everyone questioning you. For you to come out and be
Speaker 4: a different player tonight, how important is that? And he
Speaker 4: was kind of like saying what we thought probably during
Speaker 4: the game, which was I wasn't a different player tonight.
Speaker 3: But I think he's overlooking.
Speaker 4: You know, we know Kirk Cousins well enough from the
Speaker 4: Quarterback Series and Netflix. He's very hard on him, so
Speaker 4: I think he is overlooking that he was. Kirk Cousins
Speaker 4: on that drive was as clean as hell. He threw
Speaker 4: to the outside, he threw with confidence. Was he had
Speaker 4: one throw that was a little low, which was a
Speaker 4: problem all night, but for the most part he threw
Speaker 4: with confidence, and that was a badass drive.
Speaker 3: You gotta give it up to yourself.
Speaker 5: Kirk oh oh yeah, absolutely, And now that was the
Speaker 5: wonderful thing about It's funny because I actually slacked Kevin
Speaker 5: Patra also of NFL Daily, as you heard him on
Speaker 5: yesterday's show, and I said, oh, no, I think Kirk
Speaker 5: might have twenty fifteen Peyton Manning arm because like that throw,
Speaker 5: that first three he edited on the sideline was dying
Speaker 5: as it got to its intended target, and then the
Speaker 5: next week he just rips a rocket and I went, oh, no.
Speaker 6: I spoke too soon.
Speaker 5: Suddenly Kirk Cousins has found himself again, and I think
Speaker 5: you can kind of sense that in his response where
Speaker 5: he admits, look, it's a lot of new I haven't
Speaker 5: been my best. It's been a lot to process and
Speaker 5: adjust too. And he's coming off the Achilles injury. He
Speaker 5: knows he just hasn't been very good, but he had
Speaker 5: to feel like he had a little bit of a boost.
Speaker 5: I think he alluded to that when he said, hopefully
Speaker 5: this can carry us into the next week because now finally,
Speaker 5: in the biggest moment, he came through with what he
Speaker 5: does best, which is firing the ball down the field
Speaker 5: in a clutch moment, and that's really encouraging for the Falcons,
Speaker 5: because look, we went into this game thinking, oh no,
Speaker 5: did they make the wrong decision in free agency as
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins washed, are they going to be?
Speaker 4: I mean, time will tell, but I really think this
Speaker 4: is a big moment in both of these seasons. For
Speaker 4: what you said about the Eagles and how last season ended,
Speaker 4: it's going to test them because I haven't got the
Speaker 4: feeling in either of these games as someone who who
Speaker 4: definitely you know, likes picking the Eagles and whatnot that
Speaker 4: they have played particularly well. But if you can win
Speaker 4: while having a lot of issues like this is a
Speaker 4: team that to me struck me as a little fragile
Speaker 4: obviously down the stretch last year. But if you're winning
Speaker 4: as you're figuring out this a total lack of pass
Speaker 4: rush and then be passing game that just isn't in sync.
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts got it done tonight by just running the
Speaker 4: ball when he absolutely needed to and making a few
Speaker 4: high level throws like he did a week ago, but
Speaker 4: on a down to down basis, the hitting the back
Speaker 4: of your drop, getting rid of the ball, it's just
Speaker 4: not there for him. He's having to be in create
Speaker 4: mode tonight. You was better in create mode than he
Speaker 4: was a week ago. But that's concerning. Aj Brown missed
Speaker 4: this game and is going to miss a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks reportedly, and so that's a concern for them. And
Speaker 4: I think this loss could potentially linger and just just
Speaker 4: be a little bit of a stink on Vic Fangio
Speaker 4: and this offense. But to flip it to the Falcons,
Speaker 4: they have Kansas City next week, then New Orleans, then
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay. Now all three of those games are in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: But if you were zero and two and they don't
Speaker 4: ever get the ball back here and they lose this
Speaker 4: game by double digits, Let's say let's say saquad goes
Speaker 4: in for the touchdowns, probably wasn't gonna happen. He probably
Speaker 4: gets the first down. Eagles Neil game over. You're oh
Speaker 4: and two. You come back and you have the Chiefs
Speaker 4: on Sunday Night Football, and then you have the league's
Speaker 4: hottest team, the Saints, your biggest rival coming in the
Speaker 4: next week. I mean, you're talking about like your season
Speaker 4: is on the line in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Not like those games are any easier now, but just
Speaker 4: gives you a little bit of breathing room where you
Speaker 4: look at these three games that are tough in a row,
Speaker 4: and even if they don't play well and they go
Speaker 4: one and two in these three games, you're still getting
Speaker 4: to your buy or whatever. I like, I think you're
Speaker 4: getting to the Carolina game. I call that a buy
Speaker 4: now at two and three, and like, you're still alive.
Speaker 4: And if you look at their schedule, their second half
Speaker 4: of their schedule on paper looks extremely easy. So they
Speaker 4: just need to survive early. What a moment for this team.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing that we often overlook in this
Speaker 5: results based business that is the NFL. We forget about
Speaker 5: the human element of this game way too often. And
Speaker 5: the Falcons set themselves up in the offseason with the
Speaker 5: way that they went and signed Kirk Cousins and drafted
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix for a potential disaster scenario that's very emotionally driven.
Speaker 5: If they go through that three game stretch, they enter
Speaker 5: at oh to two and say they lose all three
Speaker 5: and they're zero to five, Suddenly people are calling for
Speaker 5: Michael Pennox, Suddenly they're questioning everything about what they thought
Speaker 5: about the Falcons going to this highly anticipated season, and
Speaker 5: that throws everything right off the tracks. That's why I
Speaker 5: think Kirk talk to it about it in the post game,
Speaker 5: where that little boost, like this is an example where look,
Speaker 5: you can go to that locker room now and there's
Speaker 5: video of them after this game celebrating with Raheem Morris's
Speaker 5: first win.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 5: It's everything else, but like that's the jolt that you
Speaker 5: can get that because it's such a long season being
Speaker 5: in a facility like I was with the Browns week
Speaker 5: to week when you're struggling, you can feel it. You
Speaker 5: can be on the opposite side of the building and
Speaker 5: you can feel the tension and the stress and the pressure,
Speaker 5: all of that combines and just it's pervasive throughout the
Speaker 5: entire building. Getting this win eases all of that and
Speaker 5: makes the next few games that are going to be
Speaker 5: difficult games a lot easier to prepare for, not in
Speaker 5: terms of workload but mentally. So I think it's massive
Speaker 5: for them over that stretch, way more than just one
Speaker 5: game's result.
Speaker 4: I love that because I think Raheem Morris is a
Speaker 4: guy who is going to get buy in from his players,
Speaker 4: but they needed a reason on the field to believe,
Speaker 4: and when you look at their faces, looking at Raheem
Speaker 4: Morris and celebrating like they won the Super Bowl in
Speaker 4: that locker room and everyone there, especially I'm looking at
Speaker 4: Jesse Bates and some of the veteran leaders and evens
Speaker 4: are so locked into what he is saying, and they
Speaker 4: stepped up in the biggest moments. I do think that
Speaker 4: is going to be huge and carry over because of
Speaker 4: how many different players ended up stepping up for them.
Speaker 4: The defense wasn't great in this game. I do think
Speaker 4: they're gonna have an issue in terms of their run
Speaker 4: defense and not getting enough pass rush. But they made
Speaker 4: plays in the red zone a couple times. They got
Speaker 4: a little lucky at the end, and yes, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 4: did save him. Let's listen to the go ahead touchdown
Speaker 4: throw by Kirk Cousins. This is on third down, so
Speaker 4: you know it was getting a little dicey inside the ten.
Speaker 4: The Falcons trying to take an improbable lead late at
Speaker 4: the link.
Speaker 7: Cousins in the gun, three receivers right the shotgun, snap
Speaker 7: the center block, the line, right throw, far side cut, touchdown,
Speaker 7: hit the pylon, London caught in chess pie touchdown LATA.
Speaker 7: Thirty four seconds to go. They've tied the game a
Speaker 7: seven yard Cousins touchdown pass.
Speaker 6: Holy smokes.
Speaker 3: I love Kevin Harlan.
Speaker 4: That's Eric Roberts, our great producer behind the glass looking
Speaker 4: through all the different calls. Is the ESPN, is it Local?
Speaker 4: Is it Westwood One? And Kevin Harlan that has the
Speaker 4: best one and finding it. Holy smokes, Kevin Harlan. I
Speaker 4: love that. And when you watch the highlights, you see
Speaker 4: a couple Eagle staffers, I'm not sure what their role
Speaker 4: is with the team, just getting upset in the moment.
Speaker 4: I like showing more emotion than they're supposed to in
Speaker 4: that moment on the sideline. And yeah, you mentioned that
Speaker 4: the building having bad vibes like that Eagles building had
Speaker 4: the worst vibes in the league last year. And this
Speaker 4: is going to feel a little too familiar. I do
Speaker 4: want to point out right after that touchdown, Drake London
Speaker 4: gets a celebration.
Speaker 3: Penalties.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of them tonight in big spots
Speaker 4: and it forced Young way Coup, one of the most
Speaker 4: accurate kickers in NFL history, to hit a forty eight
Speaker 4: yard extra point and he piped it like Young Wayku
Speaker 4: tends to do.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 4: Some props to Young Wayku some props to Bijon Robinson,
Speaker 4: who goes fourteen for ninety seven on the ground four
Speaker 4: for twenty five, very similar numbers nick to Saquon Barkley,
Speaker 4: although he did it in less carries and as much
Speaker 4: as I love Saquon and think he looks maybe better
Speaker 4: than he's ever looked, and he's gonna wear the goat
Speaker 4: horns a little bit tonight. You look at Bijon and
Speaker 4: you look at Saquon and you almost see, oh, there's
Speaker 4: a guy in the second year in the league, and
Speaker 4: there's a guy in the six or seven because Taquon
Speaker 4: is as explosive as he's been in two or three years.
Speaker 4: But my god, Bajon Robinson when he makes cuts going forward,
Speaker 4: there just haven't been that many running backs that I've
Speaker 4: ever seen like that. And he's at that young, just fresh,
Speaker 4: absolutely peaking part of his career.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's just getting started. He gave Quinnon Mitchell
Speaker 5: his Welcome to the NFL MoMA night cut the whole.
Speaker 5: Here's your jockstrap. I don't know if they still wear those, guy,
Speaker 5: I think they've advanced in terms of clothing. But here
Speaker 5: you go, hand it back to you because I just
Speaker 5: pulled it right off you with that move. It's really
Speaker 5: fun to watch him play because he came into the
Speaker 5: league with a lot of expectation. He was clearly the
Speaker 5: best running back in that class, and all the fantasy
Speaker 5: owners wanted to pop off last year, and he had
Speaker 5: a good rookie year, but he didn't have the great year. Well,
Speaker 5: that doesn't matter to me, because this guy is a
Speaker 5: stud and he's capable of carrying an offense on the
Speaker 5: ground when the passing game isn't working.
Speaker 6: That's what made the fun.
Speaker 5: That's what made that last drive just so fascinating to
Speaker 5: me because they get the ball back with no time
Speaker 5: and i know he's talked about already, but I'm thinking
Speaker 5: they haven't thrown the ball well all night, Like they've
Speaker 5: been pounding the run, and suddenly they just start ripping
Speaker 5: it down the field and I'm like, oh, wait, they
Speaker 5: can do this too. They don't just have to lean
Speaker 5: on him. If they can actually do that consistently, then
Speaker 5: this team could reach, you know, the potential that we
Speaker 5: all set out for them at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just need Kirk Cousins to be solid, and
Speaker 4: he was in the second half of this.
Speaker 5: It starts with him. It starts that's how it was
Speaker 5: in Minnesota. Is it's out of the play action, it's
Speaker 5: out of the run game. So if he can do
Speaker 5: that consistently, then you know we're looking at a pretty
Speaker 5: good situation.
Speaker 4: So he goes thirteen for sixteen for one hundred in
Speaker 4: sixty six yards and the two touchdowns in the second
Speaker 4: half after a pretty lackluster first half, and I would
Speaker 4: say the numbers flatter him. He wasn't as good as
Speaker 4: the numbers indicate, but they did do play action tonight.
Speaker 4: He finishes five to eight for fifty two yards, so
Speaker 4: solid enough. There were more plays from under center there.
Speaker 4: He didn't move a ton, and like you said, he
Speaker 4: didn't step into his throat. The ball did not look
Speaker 4: great coming out of his hand a lot, so there
Speaker 4: were some concerns, but I thought it got better as
Speaker 4: the game war on. I do want to point out,
Speaker 4: just to put in context, when they didn't run the
Speaker 4: ball on third down, kind of what kind of game.
Speaker 3: This was for the Eagles.
Speaker 4: The Eagles were trailing as the fourth quarter was starting,
Speaker 4: and they were at the time in the midst of
Speaker 4: a seventeen play nine minute thirty four second drive that
Speaker 4: finished with the tush push, and it was a lot
Speaker 4: of Saquon. Saquon was fantastic until that drop. Twenty two
Speaker 4: for ninety five on the ground, also had four catches
Speaker 4: and had about fifty yards called back from penalties for
Speaker 4: holding calls which always seemed to be away from the play.
Speaker 4: And yes, I might have been a little locked into
Speaker 4: his yardage because I needed one hundred yards out of
Speaker 4: him to win my fantasy tonight, and he got it
Speaker 4: in the end, So thank you for that, at least
Speaker 4: sa Quin. But he was running fantastic, and they've got
Speaker 4: the toush push going a couple times, and yet when
Speaker 4: they went inside the ten yard line like they tended
Speaker 4: to pass in the passing game was erratic, and so
Speaker 4: I think that's why at the end it hurts you
Speaker 4: kind of went away from what you were doing really
Speaker 4: well in this game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's a frustration that I experienced a lot
Speaker 5: of coaches around the NFL is when they get in
Speaker 5: the red zone, suddenly they get cued and they try
Speaker 5: to throw the football. You've seen the goal line fades,
Speaker 5: you know that type of thing. It feels like a
Speaker 5: wasted down to me. Unless you have like a Mike
Speaker 5: Evans going up there for it. But it is what
Speaker 5: it is in the NFL's copycat league. Everybody does that now.
Speaker 5: But when you know, you have to figure out what
Speaker 5: your bread and butter is. And I think the Eagles
Speaker 5: are still trying to figure out what their offense necessarily is.
Speaker 5: You know, you have Kellen Moore come in and he
Speaker 5: introduces all this priest neet motion and that's the talk
Speaker 5: of the town because it's an easy talking point going
Speaker 5: into the week. But like, eventually they should settle in
Speaker 5: as long as they can get out of their own
Speaker 5: way because like nine penalties committed, three legal man downfields,
Speaker 5: Like we gotta work on if you're gonna run our
Speaker 5: po and you're gonna run tempo and everything else, you
Speaker 5: gotta be able to stay a little more disciplined in
Speaker 5: that game in order to preserve those positive gains.
Speaker 6: Now, I will say one more thing.
Speaker 5: The statistically doesn't show up no aj Brown as you
Speaker 5: mentioned before, and we get an early catch out of
Speaker 5: Jahan Dotson right and on the broadcast are like he's
Speaker 5: gonna be an important receiver number two tonight.
Speaker 6: That was his only catch for six yards.
Speaker 5: I want to tip a cap tire to Brittin Covey,
Speaker 5: who was drafted as a returner. Six catches for twenty
Speaker 5: three yards is not a lot, but some of them
Speaker 5: came in some kind of clutch spots at least kept
Speaker 5: the offense going forward. That's not a guy I thought
Speaker 5: was gonna factor into this game statistically didn't show up,
Speaker 5: Like I said, really that significantly, but sometimes you need
Speaker 5: all hands on deck, and it was kind of impressive
Speaker 5: to see them figure it out even though they lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take the negative route that, yes, he
Speaker 4: could be.
Speaker 6: A role players, not going to be a consistent guy.
Speaker 4: But this is no I think he can be even
Speaker 4: consistent in the role that he was, But the fact
Speaker 4: that Dallas Goddter has a quiet night three for thirty
Speaker 4: eight dots and doesn't look ready to do much of anything.
Speaker 4: The whole offense is DeVonta Smith, who goes seven for
Speaker 4: seventy six, has catches a nice touchdown on a really
Speaker 4: nice throw by Hurts, Like I said, like Hurts had
Speaker 4: a couple of really high level throws, but it just
Speaker 4: was a little erratic. It's just all on DeVonta Smith,
Speaker 4: Saquon and Hurts right now, and Hurts put them on
Speaker 4: his back. He went thirteen for eighty five and a
Speaker 4: touchdown on the ground, And like there was chunks of
Speaker 4: this game where it felt like the only thing they
Speaker 4: could do is have him go back, have all the
Speaker 4: time in the world, not find any receivers and then
Speaker 4: just run for or make a play. But that's a
Speaker 4: tough way to live, especially against good defenses, and I
Speaker 4: don't think the Falcons are going to be a good defense.
Speaker 4: Fourth down decisions, I'll just wrap with this. We're also
Speaker 4: huge in this game. The Eagles go for one inside
Speaker 4: the ten yard line early in the game. They don't
Speaker 4: get it, but they do go for two other fourth
Speaker 4: downs they do get it, And I just want to
Speaker 4: point this out. Fourth down on the Falcons. I think
Speaker 4: it was like the forty eight or so yard line
Speaker 4: in the third quarter, trailing by one. So they're in
Speaker 4: their own territory and the Falcons are trailing and they
Speaker 4: go for it, and that is a play.
Speaker 3: If they didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I believe it was a fourth and four for the
Speaker 4: Falcons that if they didn't get it, everyone would be
Speaker 4: killing Raheem Morris and the analytics and why are you
Speaker 4: throwing the ball on fourth down when you know you
Speaker 4: haven't been playing that well, Like, just punt the ball
Speaker 4: and play defense, and you know what, Kerko backs up,
Speaker 4: gets good protection like he has all night, hits an
Speaker 4: easy pass over the middle for the first down, and
Speaker 4: they score a touchdown along one to Mooney like three
Speaker 4: plays later. And that's one where the Atlanta Falcons showed
Speaker 4: a lot of faith in Kirk. They stayed aggressive on offense,
Speaker 4: and that was a big moment I thought in this scheme.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a good sense of the game
Speaker 4: by the Falcons because I think if they had kept
Speaker 4: giving it up, they were going to keep giving up
Speaker 4: seventeen play drives. Raheem Morris kind of knew the score
Speaker 4: there they needed to score. And again that's one where
Speaker 4: the anti you know, fourth down folks would be honking
Speaker 4: about it if they didn't get it, and they did get.
Speaker 5: It, Yeah, they can stay quiet because look, this is
Speaker 5: also a team with the new offensive coordinator. I just
Speaker 5: talked about Kellen Moore with the Eagles, but the same
Speaker 5: situation with the Falcons. They're still adjusting to who they
Speaker 5: have with a new quarterback as well, So that's a
Speaker 5: key moment where you build a little bit of confidence
Speaker 5: and trust between play caller and quarterback and he delivers
Speaker 5: and that's going to go a long way over the
Speaker 5: course of the season.
Speaker 4: It was a fourth and four on the forty seven.
Speaker 4: All right, I think we've hit this Eagles Falcons game enough.
Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. It was not a
Speaker 4: lot of fun for Nick Sirianni. As we go to break,
Speaker 4: why don't we listen to a little of what Nick
Speaker 4: Sirianni said after.
Speaker 8: The again, in that scenario, I was thinking they might
Speaker 8: not have any timeouts there, but the obviously they did
Speaker 8: with with the uh with the incomplete pass, you know,
Speaker 8: that would have that would have came down to maybe
Speaker 8: a minute, and so we wanted to go up six points,
Speaker 8: you know, and it didn't work. So, you know, my
Speaker 8: the decision to pass it there again, like I said,
Speaker 8: you know what, they were junking it up inside with
Speaker 8: it being fourth and three to go for it. I thought,
Speaker 8: you know, with them not having any timeouts, I wanted
Speaker 8: to be down a touchdown and and see if they
Speaker 8: could drive the field. And they did. That's off to them.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mmm.
Speaker 4: So I guess someone did ask about not going for
Speaker 4: it on fourth down.
Speaker 3: He was down. Saquon Barkley was was wearing it too.
Speaker 4: Said he he let the team down, and so the Eagles,
Speaker 4: uh will have to bounce back in week three. We'll
Speaker 4: bounce back after the break. We're gonna break down what
Speaker 4: we wish we said on Sunday Night's free gap, but
Speaker 4: though we said a lot, we're gonna have a lot
Speaker 4: of news. Man, it was a Newsy injury filled we too.
Speaker 4: And then we'll wrap up with our players of the
Speaker 4: week right after this back on NFL Daily and yeah, Nick,
Speaker 4: we got a lot of news to get to. But
Speaker 4: before we do that, every Monday Night, we spend exactly
Speaker 4: two minutes saying all the little nuggets that we wish
Speaker 4: we had said during the Sunday Night recap. Hit the music, Eric,
Speaker 4: I think we've kind of forgot to mention that Kingsley Suamtea,
Speaker 4: the franchise left tackle of the Chiefs, got benched in
Speaker 4: that game. Trey Hendrickson has been just abusing left tackle,
Speaker 4: so that is a little something to be concerned about.
Speaker 4: The Chief sixteenth in DVOA through two weeks, just saying
Speaker 4: just saying hasn't been great.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie when I watch him the combine.
Speaker 5: I wasn't a big fan of him, so I'm not
Speaker 5: that surprised. He's just he's got heavy feet as a
Speaker 5: raw players need time. But speaking of offensive line, Greg,
Speaker 5: the Saints offensive line is awesome. Their zone scheme is
Speaker 5: working so well. And for all the concerns we had
Speaker 5: about Trevor Penning, he's doing a pretty good job in
Speaker 5: the run game. The way they scheme it up, the
Speaker 5: way they get tight ends involved, they get Taysom Hill involved,
Speaker 5: they get a bunch of other people involved. They are
Speaker 5: creating creases for Alvin Kamara to just run free. There
Speaker 5: was a couple of touchdowns he scored against Dallas he
Speaker 5: didn't get touched. I wish I would have talked about
Speaker 5: that more.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Marvin Harrison touchdown where he toe tapped at
Speaker 4: the back of the end zone was the least probable
Speaker 4: touchdown of the season, which is amazing because the other
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray touchdown where he does the figure eights, felt
Speaker 4: about as least probable as ever.
Speaker 3: And Kylie Murray.
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray, we found out today actually wasn't watching by
Speaker 4: the time that second touchdown was caught, but yes, the
Speaker 4: least probable touchdown of the season. Harrison had point seven
Speaker 4: yards of separation and was point seven yards from the sideline.
Speaker 5: Go Nick, speaking of the least probable catches, the smooth
Speaker 5: criminal catch. That just tells me everything you need to
Speaker 5: know about Devonte Adams. He's smiling on the sideline. He
Speaker 5: is so oh back and I love it for the Raiders.
Speaker 4: I should have followed the Petting point up with this.
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill got hurt on Sunday, and I think that
Speaker 4: could be a big factor for the Saints.
Speaker 3: He's key to a lot of what they are doing.
Speaker 5: Matt Lafleur put together a phenomenal offensive game plan in
Speaker 5: that game against the Colts. He ran that like a
Speaker 5: college offense that doesn't trust its quarterback, and they didn't
Speaker 5: need to all the pre snap motions everything else. Super creative,
Speaker 5: worked to perfection, and that went over the Colts.
Speaker 4: People always wonder who's the one in Green Bay in
Speaker 4: terms of the receiver. Romeo Dobbs is the one. When
Speaker 4: they need to play, they go to Romeo Dobbs. He
Speaker 4: gets the most snaps, He's the guy you go to
Speaker 4: on third down. He is their one. They also love
Speaker 4: Tucker Kraft getting a lot more snaps than Luke Musgrave.
Speaker 6: And finally, as the whistle blows.
Speaker 5: We had the Josh Allen experience for a long time,
Speaker 5: it is now the Anthony Richardson experience.
Speaker 6: After watching the game back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that there's a lot of similarities
Speaker 4: between young A rich and young Josh Allen. All Right,
Speaker 4: let's get to the news because there are some big
Speaker 4: old items.
Speaker 3: All Right.
Speaker 4: The Bryce Young era is over, at least for now
Speaker 4: in Carolin. Yeah, maybe on hold, maybe over. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: more of a take than.
Speaker 3: A statement of fact.
Speaker 4: But Dave Cadawis, the Carolina Panthers head coach, announced onto
Speaker 4: on Monday rather that, uh, yeah, he's going to Andy
Speaker 4: Dalton for Week three against the Raiders and Nick, you know,
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I think it might be
Speaker 4: for good if Andy Dalton stays healthy is that there
Speaker 4: was no talk of trying to get Bryce Young a
Speaker 4: little bit of a break and then bring him back
Speaker 4: or refreshing his mind.
Speaker 3: He just benched him, and I.
Speaker 4: Think it was partly because of energy and partly because
Speaker 4: he wants to give this team a better chance to win.
Speaker 3: Let's listen to Dave Canals.
Speaker 9: I owe it to all the guys, the coaches, the staff,
Speaker 9: the players, everybody involved to be really critical about what
Speaker 9: we put on film, about what I'm seeing, and to
Speaker 9: make sure that I'm constantly making the best decision for
Speaker 9: the team every week. And it happens to be the
Speaker 9: quarterback position, and so it's loaded that way, but it's
Speaker 9: every position, and it's all the guys. And I was
Speaker 9: able to stand in front of the team and challenge
Speaker 9: all the guys that we all have to step up
Speaker 9: our passion for what we're doing, to play with the
Speaker 9: play style that we're looking for.
Speaker 4: The word passion there, I thought was interesting. This is
Speaker 4: the Pete Carroll, you know, god son.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what he.
Speaker 4: Is, but he's like his spiritual son, Like Pete Carroll
Speaker 4: is his guy. And yeah, maybe he wants other members
Speaker 4: of the team to play with more passion. But you
Speaker 4: did get a sense maybe Bryce Young he was a
Speaker 4: little beaten down. His body language and everything was just
Speaker 4: rough the last couple of weeks, and that.
Speaker 3: Was part of the decision making process.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I heard a clip of Daniel Jeremia even talking
Speaker 5: about this or he doesn't look like the guy he
Speaker 5: was in Alabama, the body language being one of the things.
Speaker 5: Just can't even complete short passes any more. And also, Greg,
Speaker 5: we have to think about this contextually. This is a
Speaker 5: franchise that fired Frank Reich after eleven games last year.
Speaker 5: This is a franchise that has demonstrated that they lack
Speaker 5: patience when it comes to, you know, watching things develop
Speaker 5: and grow. And Dave Canalis is not about to wait
Speaker 5: to find out whether he's going to be next in
Speaker 5: the chopping block. He's going to go to the guy
Speaker 5: that he knows can win them games. The last time
Speaker 5: eighty Dalton played in a game for the Panthers last
Speaker 5: year was their best offensive showing of the year, the
Speaker 5: only game in which they looked really competent. He went
Speaker 5: for three sixty one and two touchdowns in a ten
Speaker 5: point loss to the Seahawks on the road last year.
Speaker 5: So look, I'm not saying he's coaching for his job,
Speaker 5: but he has a reason to think he might have
Speaker 5: to coach for his job even after two weeks and
Speaker 5: anddie Dalton is clearly the better option, even if it
Speaker 5: means that you're essentially giving up on Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: Right, So I think it was a mercy benching. It
Speaker 4: was absolutely the right decision. I shouldn't have been as
Speaker 4: surprised about it as it was, because we even talked
Speaker 4: about it on Sunday that it was that we thought
Speaker 4: it was getting to that point. I just didn't think
Speaker 4: that they would do it now. Canalis was also asked
Speaker 4: whether ownership was involved in this decision, so his answer
Speaker 4: was not direct. He said he was going to keep
Speaker 4: that private, but that he spoke to all the important
Speaker 4: parties in the organization, so you can read into that
Speaker 4: what you will. Now, I would believe that the conversation
Speaker 4: would start with Canals, but there's no way to guess,
Speaker 4: and it doesn't really matter. He did confirm, you know,
Speaker 4: he talked with the front office heads about the decision,
Speaker 4: including Dan Morgan, But it came after watching the tape,
Speaker 4: and I get it like.
Speaker 3: It's as tough.
Speaker 4: I wanted to watch it before we talked about him,
Speaker 4: so I did go back and watch that, and I'd
Speaker 4: watched the first game on Coaches Film, and it was
Speaker 4: as tough a quarterback tape as I've seen. It was
Speaker 4: so much worse than it was a year ago. Like
Speaker 4: we said on the show, yesterday, like he wasn't even
Speaker 4: attempting throws over ten yards. His last throw, potentially as
Speaker 4: a Carolina Panther, was a jump pass on fourth down
Speaker 4: that get batted down by the chart or just full
Speaker 4: back Medlock or whatever who's also a defensive lineman. And
Speaker 4: it was one of a couple passes where he had
Speaker 4: to jump to get over the top of the offensive
Speaker 4: lineman or the defender, and a couple of times they
Speaker 4: got batted down. A couple they were incomplete, a couple
Speaker 4: they were complete, and almost every drive ended with him
Speaker 4: just throwing short of the sticks on third and long
Speaker 4: and he just looked shattered. And it sucks, man. It's unprecedented.
Speaker 4: I went through because I've been covering the NFL since
Speaker 4: so three, and I was like, I don't think this
Speaker 4: has ever happened, like a number one overall pick getting
Speaker 4: benched this early and playing this port. I don't think
Speaker 4: it's ever happened, And so I did go through it.
Speaker 4: Josh Rosen is probably the closest, but he wasn't a
Speaker 4: number one overall pick. For number one overall picks, JaMarcus
Speaker 4: Russell got bench twenty five starts in that was pretty deep.
Speaker 4: Into his third season. He had the Mahomes rookie year
Speaker 4: where he didn't start until the very last game of
Speaker 4: the season. So that's the only thing that's close. Even
Speaker 4: that was ten games into his third season, and his
Speaker 4: second season actually had a lot more positive moments than
Speaker 4: than Bryce Young's ever had. Alex Smith got bench, but
Speaker 4: that was like four years in for Troy Smith. I
Speaker 4: remember them chanting, we want Carr, like deep into that
Speaker 4: season two for David Carr, who is now our colleague,
Speaker 4: And I just remember that being a tough moment because
Speaker 4: Alex Smith was in the game and the fans are chanting.
Speaker 4: Jamis got bench for Ryan Fitzpatrick. Again, that was four
Speaker 4: years in, so that's pretty different. And that was actually
Speaker 4: coming off of suspension and then he got bench later,
Speaker 4: So like if he doesn't ever make it happen with
Speaker 4: the Panthers, it's it's pretty unique how poorly this has gone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not to mention the capitol they gave up
Speaker 5: to move up. I mean we've already seen the ramifications
Speaker 5: of the Bear scene, the number one pick and spending
Speaker 5: it on Caleb Williams this past draft, and it's something
Speaker 5: that could leave, you know, make waves for multiple years.
Speaker 5: But again, you live in the now in the NFL,
Speaker 5: you have to go win this upcoming game, So you
Speaker 5: totally understand why Dave Canalis went in this direction. It
Speaker 5: is funny though, you made that point about them not
Speaker 5: even talking about giving him like a chance to get
Speaker 5: a breather or grow. Even when Zach Wilson got benched,
Speaker 5: when Robert Sala put him on the bench, he talked
Speaker 5: about he needs time to reset and grow, and you know,
Speaker 5: we believe in him. Even though that didn't pan out.
Speaker 5: You're not getting any of that from the Panthers, So
Speaker 5: it doesn't bode well.
Speaker 4: No, it makes me wonder if he's a trade candidate now.
Speaker 6: I who wants him?
Speaker 4: Well, just just because it's uncomfortable, you know, could you
Speaker 4: get a fifth round pick or whatever.
Speaker 5: And the franchise that that once drafted Jimmy class and
Speaker 5: then followed that up by drafting Cam Newton.
Speaker 4: So right, I mean, his struggles now that it's going
Speaker 4: into a second season are rare for a quarterback taking
Speaker 4: that high. You know, as rookies like Alex Smith, Eli
Speaker 4: Manning had struggles like that. But there's always a team
Speaker 4: that's willing to give up, like a mid round pick
Speaker 4: to take another swing. I mean, we just saw it
Speaker 4: happen with Trey Lance. It's a little crazy for it
Speaker 4: to happen now. But the only reason I even thought
Speaker 4: of it was because of what you said, Nick, that
Speaker 4: this has been an organization that is not afraid to
Speaker 4: turn the page quickly, and even that this decision was
Speaker 4: made made me think, like, where is the decision coming
Speaker 4: from exactly? The GM that drafted him technically is not there.
Speaker 4: The coach that was there when they drafted him is
Speaker 4: not there, and so maybe the loyalties not there. The
Speaker 4: odds are that Andy Dalton won't make it through the
Speaker 4: season healthy based on just how Dalton's gotten hurt pretty
Speaker 4: quickly when he's played in the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: including in this preseason. So I don't know if they
Speaker 4: would bench him, you know, for a third stringer, that
Speaker 4: would seem that would seem absolutely crazy. They would take
Speaker 4: a huge cap hit this year at nine million dollars
Speaker 4: if they traded him during this season. Let's say to like,
Speaker 4: you know, Mike McDaniel, I don't know, that's not going
Speaker 4: to happen. Now, It's not going to happen. I don't
Speaker 4: think and they don't have much cap room either. I'm
Speaker 4: just spinning wheels because this is just an unprecedented.
Speaker 3: Crazy situation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 5: It is really unfortunate because this is a guy who
Speaker 5: just was super talented at Alabama. And you know, even
Speaker 5: in that draft, I know we're going a little long
Speaker 5: and at this point, but even in that draft, I
Speaker 5: remember it was Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud and it
Speaker 5: seemed like the consensus was Bryce Young was the runaway
Speaker 5: QB one and I sat back at the time and
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to like take a victory lap or anything,
Speaker 5: but I was like, are.
Speaker 6: Are we sure?
Speaker 5: Like he is small, he doesn't necessarily he's not going
Speaker 5: to be going to a situation with the best traits
Speaker 5: to find success, whereas Stroud's you know, greatest trade was accuracy.
Speaker 5: Obviously he's in a much better situation. But just hindsight,
Speaker 5: you know, with the privilege of it, Oh man, what
Speaker 5: a tough pick.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that frustrates me about the
Speaker 4: draft process is.
Speaker 6: The total crew things.
Speaker 4: Too much group thing from draft analysts, where it just
Speaker 4: becomes like, well, of course he's has to be one,
Speaker 4: and like it was really bold for people to get
Speaker 4: out on a limon say Stroud they like strive better
Speaker 4: and there were people that liked that. But even though
Speaker 4: most people it's like they wouldn't have had any Bryce
Speaker 4: any lower than.
Speaker 3: Three or five overall or two.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you looked at his size in the NFL,
Speaker 4: it's a setback for us short guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, a tough day for short kings.
Speaker 4: You know, the short representation. Seriously, I think his size
Speaker 4: has been a problem. And you can point to Kyler Murray,
Speaker 4: who is not much taller, but then you can point out, yeah,
Speaker 4: but Kyler Murray has insane physical gifts, so that's probably
Speaker 4: what you need to make up for it. Now, Drew
Speaker 4: Brees didn't have that, and it took him a while
Speaker 4: to get going. But again, I even think the difference
Speaker 4: in height between Bryce Young and Drew Brees and the
Speaker 4: difference in frame actually was pretty significant once you're getting
Speaker 4: to this point like it's it's maybe I don't know
Speaker 4: what the word is, where once you get over a
Speaker 4: certain threshold, like it an extra two or three inches
Speaker 4: down means a lot, Like, Yeah, Drew Brees was probably
Speaker 4: not really six feet, but like Brayce Young being five nine,
Speaker 4: that's a big difference.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the frame usually makes up for it when
Speaker 5: it comes to sustaining hits too. I mean, oftentimes you
Speaker 5: got to roll guys out and get him out of
Speaker 5: the pocket. That's what part of what makes Kyler, you know,
Speaker 5: special is his scrambling ability, which we talked about at
Speaker 5: length on yesterday's show.
Speaker 3: So this is all depressing me. So I mentioned the Dolphins.
Speaker 4: As I'm talking about it, I'm realizing, like, yeah, they're
Speaker 4: probably not going to do that. But they did sign
Speaker 4: Tyler Huntley on Monday, and I think that's a really
Speaker 4: good signing for them. I think he's an NFL quarterback.
Speaker 4: He was on the Ravens practice squad. He is not
Speaker 4: going to challenge Skyler Thompson for the starting job, assuming
Speaker 4: Skyler Thompson is the starter in Week three.
Speaker 3: That has not officially.
Speaker 4: Been announced, but Mike McDaniel did talk on Monday and
Speaker 4: made it clear this has nothing to do with Skyler Thompson.
Speaker 4: We wanted another quarterback, you know, in the room who's
Speaker 4: a professional, but we believe in Skyler, who's been with
Speaker 4: them for a couple of years. Now and won the
Speaker 4: backup and so, you know, listening to that, it would
Speaker 4: sound like Skyler Thompson will start this week and presumably
Speaker 4: the next few weeks, but we still don't know how
Speaker 4: long to a Tongue of Iloa will be out. McDaniel
Speaker 4: said the next couple of days would be important about
Speaker 4: making a decision on him. Injured reserve is a possibility,
Speaker 4: but we just we don't know on that situation. But
Speaker 4: we're getting Skyler Thompson trying to keep the Dolphin season
Speaker 4: afloat in the meantime. And one thing I did want
Speaker 4: to talk about here just quickly is Ian Rappaport reported Sunday,
Speaker 4: we didn't mention this yet on NFL Game Day morning
Speaker 4: that to a Tongue of Ioloa has no plans to
Speaker 4: retire and that the intent is for him to return
Speaker 4: to football, and so we'll just have to find out
Speaker 4: how long it'll be till that's possible and whether that
Speaker 4: does happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully Skyler plays, you know, well enough better than
Speaker 5: he did in Thursday nights game. The limited sample size
Speaker 5: we have on him is not very encouraging at this point,
Speaker 5: So hopefully for the Dolphin's sake that, you know, a
Speaker 5: week of preparation gets him in a better situation to
Speaker 5: perform this week.
Speaker 4: Hopefully for our sake. I mean, I'm selfish. I want
Speaker 4: to see good quarterback play. We're struggling right now.
Speaker 3: Like it.
Speaker 4: The league hurts when you lose a quarterback like Jordan Now.
Speaker 4: Malik Willis made it fun for a week. Look, Skyler
Speaker 4: Thompson made it pretty fun in that playoff game against
Speaker 4: the Bills, But at this point that's kind of been
Speaker 4: the highlight of what we've seen out of Skaler Thompson,
Speaker 4: and there were some struggles. I think that's going to
Speaker 4: be a challenging matchup for Miami in Seattle this week.
Speaker 4: Then they have Tennessee and then the Patriots after that
Speaker 4: coming up as they try to manage their season. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of teams. I think Atlanta did a nice
Speaker 4: job managing their season tonight. The Rams are suddenly in
Speaker 4: a real big manage the season mode. Cooper Cup is
Speaker 4: expected to miss multiple weeks, What a blow for this team.
Speaker 4: Potentially could go on injured reserve with the ankle injury
Speaker 4: that he suffered on Sunday, So they are without Cooper
Speaker 4: Cup and Pooka Nakua. Can this Rams offense survive shook
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at their depth chart, it's
Speaker 4: not super encouraging. The fact that, you know, we had
Speaker 4: a player who wasn't really getting any reps with the Buccaneers,
Speaker 4: Tyler Johnson, you know, making plays for them.
Speaker 6: That's not encouraging.
Speaker 5: You have a veteran DeMarcus Robinson who's made some plays
Speaker 5: in spots. You got to to atwell, who's good to
Speaker 5: take the top off the defense or at least be
Speaker 5: a decoy. And Jordan Winnington the preseason Darling, that's not
Speaker 5: what you thought you were going to go into the
Speaker 5: season with. They're super banged up and it's early and
Speaker 5: it's never going to be banged up early. But hopefully
Speaker 5: they get good news on Cup because I don't think
Speaker 5: we're gonna see Pooka for a while.
Speaker 4: I yeah, it sounds like Puga could miss up to
Speaker 4: two months according to Ian rapport, but injured reserve is
Speaker 4: still a possibility for Cooper Cup. And when they even
Speaker 4: throw that out as a possibility, then you think it's
Speaker 4: more likely. They also got bad news on the injury
Speaker 4: front losing John Johnson. Their safety is going to be
Speaker 4: out for an extended time. And then Jonah Jackson, another
Speaker 4: one of their starting guards, and their big offensive line acquisition,
Speaker 4: so the offensive line is just absolutely beleaguered. It sounds
Speaker 4: like all three of those guys could go on injured reserve.
Speaker 3: So I actually think they.
Speaker 4: Could win with this receiver group if they had a
Speaker 4: fully intact offensive line and running game in Matthew Stafford, like,
Speaker 4: I've seen these guys like their NFL players, and we've
Speaker 4: seen offenses without great receivers survive with a great offensive line,
Speaker 4: great quarterback, great running game. But the offensive line is
Speaker 4: totally in shambles. The defense really struggled on Sunday, so
Speaker 4: that's not helping matters either. And yeah, they have the
Speaker 4: forty nine ers this week who are dealing with.
Speaker 3: Their own injury news.
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel is going to miss an extended period of
Speaker 4: time multiple weeks. It sounds like for Deebo Samuel just
Speaker 4: I feel like the fantasy football community has been hit hard.
Speaker 4: But the forty nine has got to be happy they
Speaker 4: got Brandon Ayuk in the building. I know he hasn't
Speaker 4: looked great so far this season, but now with Samuel out,
Speaker 4: Ayu plays an even bigger role.
Speaker 5: H And like you said, he's gotten up to a
Speaker 5: slow start. He's been a bit of a non factor.
Speaker 5: And I think some of that is situational, like just
Speaker 5: scheme Deebo's open Aukes not Maybe he's getting more attention,
Speaker 5: but after we spent so much time talking about his contract,
Speaker 5: did not see the payoff early. It stings a little bit.
Speaker 5: But now we're gonna see. It's gonna be a real test.
Speaker 5: He's getting thrown into the fire. You know you're gonna
Speaker 5: earn that money now. So they're a team that's built
Speaker 5: to withstand this. They are not in a situation like
Speaker 5: the Rams. They'll be in a better spot.
Speaker 4: But still, okay, I hear you. You know they didn't
Speaker 4: withstand it on Sunday. Now, that was a tough matchup
Speaker 4: against a Vikings team and gave them trouble last year
Speaker 4: when they were also banged up. But they're not just
Speaker 4: without Deebo Samuel, who's vital to everything they do. Just
Speaker 4: he's involved in so much of what they do. They're
Speaker 4: missing Deebo Samuel and Christian McCaffrey and Ricky pearsall who
Speaker 4: is their first round draft pick. Now, we don't know
Speaker 4: what kind of player Pearsall is going to be at
Speaker 4: the pro level, but they drafted him in the first
Speaker 4: round just for a situation like this. So yeah, you
Speaker 4: have Juwan Jennings and Brandon Ayuk. Look that that's still
Speaker 4: a better receiver duo than most than many teams have it.
Speaker 4: And you have George Kiddo is also kind of coming
Speaker 4: in and out of that game. But the NFC West,
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about it on Wednesday show with
Speaker 4: Jordan Rodrigue and Connie Fox. Judge Connie is returning, Oh
Speaker 4: yeah to the courtroom, and I think we're going to
Speaker 4: talk a little NFC West there. But it's interesting, you
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers and Rams were the teams that were
Speaker 4: that were the on top last year and they're vulnerable
Speaker 4: right now. The Rams are just trying to survive right
Speaker 4: now or else. Who knows. They could be oh to four,
Speaker 4: oh and five, one and five something like that when
Speaker 4: you look at their schedule.
Speaker 5: I have a bit of a comp that might serve
Speaker 5: the forty nine Ers well during this time in which
Speaker 5: they're missing so many receiving options, including Christian McCaffrey. Go
Speaker 5: be the Pittsburgh Steelers, go be a team that lost
Speaker 5: your penciled in number two in Roman Wilson early in
Speaker 5: the year in the preseason, and just go win with
Speaker 5: defense and ugly offense. Just go figure it out. You
Speaker 5: got Jordan Mason pound in the rock, he got an
Speaker 5: offensive line that blocks it up. Well, go win that
Speaker 5: way for a few weeks.
Speaker 6: Why not?
Speaker 3: Absolutely true?
Speaker 4: Good teams find different ways to when we saw it
Speaker 4: with the Packers and the forty nine Ers are more
Speaker 4: than capable. Oh and they still have Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa, yes, and.
Speaker 6: Brock Purdy and Fred Warner who's playing his tailoff.
Speaker 4: And Trent Williams, And you're right, they have no excuses,
Speaker 4: especially with the Rams on the schedule this week. Isaiah
Speaker 4: Pacheco has a broken fibula. He will miss six to
Speaker 4: eight weeks. You know, they've also been without Clyde Edwards
Speaker 4: Hilaire on the NFI list, so he's out for at
Speaker 4: least two more weeks. They are bringing in Kareem Hunt
Speaker 4: for a visit, not signed as of yet. That would
Speaker 4: make sense to me on paper. How big of a
Speaker 4: loss do you think?
Speaker 6: Pachecko is pretty big?
Speaker 5: He runs hard, he paces his offense on the ground
Speaker 5: and they're gonna they're thin in the backfield. But Greg,
Speaker 5: I do have a fun little insider tidbit. I went
Speaker 5: to the Cleveland Guardians game on Friday night and guess
Speaker 5: who I saw at the game. And I was with
Speaker 5: my friend thing I was like, hey, there's Kareem and
Speaker 5: they go, why is he here? And I well, he
Speaker 5: lives here and he doesn't have a job right now.
Speaker 5: Look who might have a job.
Speaker 4: Nothing better, maybe nothing better, But it doesn't matter what
Speaker 4: you're doing in life. Going to a baseball game just
Speaker 4: a joy, just a great time. My kids don't even
Speaker 4: like love baseball that much. They they love going to
Speaker 4: a baseball game, so it's great time. Kareem Hunt was
Speaker 4: not the same Kareem Hunt that you remember, but you
Speaker 4: never know. With some time off, maybe that will help
Speaker 4: or maybe not. Like Dalvin Cook had time off and
Speaker 4: it's come back and it never really was. Has been
Speaker 4: the same same thing with Le'Veon Bell. So we'll see.
Speaker 4: They could be starting and I'm sure people will be
Speaker 4: picking up on the old fantasy waiver wire like Carson
Speaker 4: Steele might be there starting, which is crazy.
Speaker 5: It's crazy because he was like largely their fullback or
Speaker 5: their short yardage situation back.
Speaker 6: I don't see him getting a full work.
Speaker 4: I know Ryan is there, who was also available for
Speaker 4: absolutely anyone to sign just a few weeks ago. And yeah,
Speaker 4: their offense has gotten pretty banged up pretty quickly. Question
Speaker 4: at left tackle, markis Brown out for maybe most of
Speaker 4: the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there, I think there are.
Speaker 4: It's fair to ask questions even though they win through
Speaker 4: all their questions, unlike most teams in the league. All right,
Speaker 4: let's just roll through a bunch of quick hitters. Injury wise,
Speaker 4: Justin Herbert X rays were negative after he had an
Speaker 4: ankle injury, although there's still being a little cagey he
Speaker 4: might get an mry this week. Harbaugh wouldn't answer that directly.
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson as a indicated sounds like it's not going.
Speaker 3: To be a major issue.
Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell didn't promise anything, but said Jefferson felt good
Speaker 4: on Monday, so that's good. Jermaine Johnson, the Jets edge player,
Speaker 4: did confirm he has a torn achilles. Juwan Bentley, the
Speaker 4: Patriots linebacker, has a torn pectoral muscle, according to our
Speaker 4: NFL Network insider, so he might miss the season. He's
Speaker 4: a valuable player for them, Mike McGlinchey the Broncos their
Speaker 4: tackle could miss a month more bad news for that offense.
Speaker 4: And Joe Mixon was getting an MRI on his ankle.
Speaker 4: If any or all of those stand out to you,
Speaker 4: feel free to comment on them, Chuck, I would be
Speaker 4: impressed if you remembered each and everyone and then had
Speaker 4: one comment fro him. But I think that would not
Speaker 4: be a pleasant listening experience.
Speaker 5: Oh well, no, it wouldn't be. But luckily I have
Speaker 5: a list in front of me, so I will pop
Speaker 5: through a couple of them. The Jermaine Johnson injury immediately
Speaker 5: makes me think about Hassan Radick again, because they are
Speaker 5: struggling to generate a pass rush and that's a key
Speaker 5: part of their defense.
Speaker 4: Wait, hold it right there, because it is very funny
Speaker 4: to me how much Eagles fans hate Bryce Huff right now,
Speaker 4: like everyone.
Speaker 5: He was getting the push in the broadcast tonight. There's
Speaker 5: number zero Bryce Huff. Let's see if he can generate
Speaker 5: a pass rush. Stonewall by the right, he was.
Speaker 4: On the ground, and because they were pointing out in part,
Speaker 4: but because also you know, he's been a story and
Speaker 4: he was on the ground so many times, so that's
Speaker 4: not a good sign when edge player is on the ground.
Speaker 4: Josh Sweat hasn't really go yeah and done. It's one
Speaker 4: thing we didn't mention, Like, Yeah, I'm not surprised that
Speaker 4: Falcons didn't have much of a pass rush. I know
Speaker 4: they have Matthew Judah and he'll pop for like one,
Speaker 4: one or two good rushes every once in a while.
Speaker 4: But I'm a little surprised and disappointed how bad that
Speaker 4: Eagles pass rush is in the.
Speaker 6: Rushes through the interior. Right, Eagles and.
Speaker 4: Jets fans are both so mad about this swap. It
Speaker 4: wasn't actually a trade. The son Reddick was a trade
Speaker 4: for a third rod pick. Bryce Huff just came in
Speaker 4: free agency. But like everyone has lost here except for
Speaker 4: sports talk radio hosts that are just you know, rage,
Speaker 4: you know, complaining about these moves.
Speaker 5: In the words of Kevin Harlan Calamity. Also on this list,
Speaker 5: the Jill Mixon ankle injury. I didn't see today. I
Speaker 5: don't know if he came through, but it looked like
Speaker 5: it might have been our first example of a pretty
Speaker 5: clear hip drop tackle. Would like to see what happens
Speaker 5: with that.
Speaker 3: Yes, he would too.
Speaker 4: He sent out something on social stay in the NFL
Speaker 4: needs to respond with their actions, and by that he
Speaker 4: means give and they should have called it on the field.
Speaker 4: And I suspect he's right. I suspect there will be
Speaker 4: a fine and they just missed the call on the field.
Speaker 3: All right, That is it for news.
Speaker 4: We wrap up every show with a little segment I
Speaker 4: like to call Captain's Corner. I mean, I didn't make
Speaker 4: it up, but it is time for Captain's Corner, presented
Speaker 4: by Captain Morgan Nick. Both you and I can present
Speaker 4: our players that struck our fancy this week.
Speaker 3: Why don't you get us going?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you don't know me, you do
Speaker 5: know now that I'm an Ohio State fan, born and bred,
Speaker 5: didn't go there, but raised to be an Ohio State fan.
Speaker 5: And I've watched Marvin Harrison Junior dominate collegiate defenses for years.
Speaker 5: So it was a joy to see him pop off
Speaker 5: for not one, but two relatively long touchdown passes, one
Speaker 5: very long in his second professional game, especially after he
Speaker 5: was essentially ignored in his debut. It was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: He is my Captain of the Week because not all
Speaker 5: did he have a couple of touchdown receptions. Not only
Speaker 5: did he finally make his mark in his second NFL game,
Speaker 5: but he became the first rookie to have four plus
Speaker 5: receptions two or more receiving touchdowns in the first quarter
Speaker 5: of a game since his dad did it in Week
Speaker 5: sixteen of nineteen ninety six. Hat tipped NFL Research for
Speaker 5: unearthing that that is how you make your first mark
Speaker 5: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I love that pick.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get kind of hipster and was like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, let's go like Tucker Kraft or something. You know,
Speaker 4: oh deep dive, you know, great tap dog or you know.
Speaker 4: Chris o'lobby is doing the small things. He's blocking now,
Speaker 4: he's making contested catches. But when I saw the screenshot
Speaker 4: that Nit Nate Tice, our friend sent out of Kyler
Speaker 4: Murray doing the lebron after that insane touchdown that he
Speaker 4: had and turning away and looking at the sideline before
Speaker 4: making what I now believe to be is the throw
Speaker 4: of a week. He got robbed in our Throw of
Speaker 4: the Year nomination. Maybe I'll bring that back up once
Speaker 4: I saw that. That's being a captain right there. So
Speaker 4: that's just unreal for him to make one of the
Speaker 4: plays of the year and then turn around and not
Speaker 4: even watch the touchdown being completed because he knew what
Speaker 4: was happening. Kyler Murray is he's got a chance to
Speaker 4: potentially get into the MVP talk. I know it's only
Speaker 4: two weeks, but he would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: That was the Captain's Corner presented by Captain Morgan. It's
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Speaker 3: Spice it up.
Speaker 4: Visit Captain Morgan dot com to find a captain near you.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and Thursday you'll get a fresh QB index
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