1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: Rich Barah our guest tonight, doctor Joseph Lumpkin. We're talking 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: about the Bible and specifically some of the Dead Sea 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: scrolls and why when they found them they decided to 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: leave them out of the Bible. We're kind of talking 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: about the Book of Genesis and the watchers specifically, what 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: were the watchers' jobs just to observe humanity? 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: Good question, we're not told, but that seems to be 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: the name itself. Watchers would would infer that, imply that, 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: and so you have to ask you, so what what 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 3: were they watching? Well, there's there's just a couple of 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: things that you would watch. You would you would watch 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: the actions to record sins and and blessings, or maybe 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: they were the Jane goodall of. 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, reporting back to our species. So why did 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: they Why did they if they're watchers, why did they 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: leave their posts? Because they they obviously upset God. 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: Yes, So it's an interesting thing that we have this 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: drift in the very first part of the Bible, where 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 3: God starts out being called l and then by the 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: end of Genesis he's called Yahweh, which is usually adam 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: Ny or Lord. So it looks like there was a 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: drift there between the gods. Polytheism was I mean the Bible. 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: The Bible is polytheistic, whether you kind of realize it 26 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: or not. So there there are these gods for to us. 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: You know, you always said, have no other god before me, which. 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: He's acknowledging, and Bayl comes out a lot. I don't 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: know if I'm saying that right. 30 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: He does. That was part of the pantheon of the 31 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: Canaanite gods. And what we think is that Yah or 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: Yahweh was added into that pantheon by the Israelites, that 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: was their god. And then when L was the main 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: god to the Canaanites. Things things kind of drift in religion. 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: They you have cross pollination. I guess that's a good 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: way of putting it. We borrow from different things. We 37 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: can see it in Christianity, for example, the halo was 38 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: taken from the sun worshipers and things like that. But 39 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: to answer your question, those are the two main concerns 40 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: of people that are watching. So my guess, and again 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: anything could be wrong. My guess is that this was 42 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: an experiment l was conducting it. The watchers were here 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: for a very long time, and they came down and 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: they destroyed the experiment. You have to ask yourself, why 45 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: was it just lust or were they trying to contaminate 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: the gene pool so that this does not come to 47 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: fruition the way that Elle wanted. So let me read 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: you something really quick. This is we're heading towards Christmas, 49 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: so I going to tell you a real quick Christmas story. 50 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Take about two minutes. 51 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: Let's go. 52 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: So there's a guy who I'm going to tell you 53 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: a story about a guy. Miraculous life, fantastic life. Born 54 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: in a remote area of the Roman Empire, his mother 55 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: was told that he would be divine. She was visited 56 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: by a divine being and told this. The birth was 57 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: accompanied by signs and wonders. The guy became an itinerant preacher. 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: He taught men to leave behind the world and pick 59 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: up the spiritual. The wealth was in the spirit, not 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: in the things. He was acknowledged as a man that 61 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: was wise and could do miracles. They saw him heal 62 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: the sick and race the dead. They believed he was 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: the son of God. He was tried by the Romans killed, 64 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: he ascended bodily into heaven, where he remains today. After 65 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: his death, he appeared to his disciples. His followers wrote 66 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: books about him that you can still read today. And 67 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 3: of course I'm talking about Apollonius of Tyena, not Jesus. 68 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: Not Jesus. Really, this guy was born in fifteen AD 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 3: and died in about one hundred AD. And then we 70 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: have this thing, this rock that was found in two 71 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: thousand that's never been found before. There was a rock 72 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: with ink on it that's never been found in this area. 73 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: You usually have a papyrus, or you have vellum or 74 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: animal skins. So this is a rock. It has ink 75 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: on it. It's in the Dead Sea area because it 76 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: is below sea level and totally dry. The thing was 77 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: stood at the test of time. Written on the rock, 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: which is called the Vision of Gabriel, is a story 79 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: about Gabriel standing over a corpse. The corpse is putrefying, 80 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: turning to dung, and Gabriel says, Prince of Peace, dung 81 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: of the rocky crevass. In three days, you will live again, 82 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 3: because I Gabriel commanded. So in this period of time 83 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 3: right around the time of Christ, we had several Messianic 84 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: figures that were doing miracles, or so people thought. We 85 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: have them that supposedly were resurrected bodily and went to heaven. 86 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: We have these stories that are parallels. And I am 87 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 3: wondering if this is where Elle's experiment was going. Was 88 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: he trying to improve this race and started two hundred 89 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: thousand years ago from apes and raise us up to 90 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 3: be christ conscious at this time? Have you ever heard 91 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: of the axial age? 92 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: I have not tell me about that. 93 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: Well, we kind of remained in uh I would call 94 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: it a spiritual purgatory for the first few hundred thousand 95 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: of our years, and we were running around trying to 96 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: please gods that we didn't know of what they wanted. 97 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: So we would kill things, kill people, killed children, kill animals. 98 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: I really don't know why we thought that that would 99 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: appease God. 100 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: I think it speaking it was worldwide though. 101 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: It was worldwide, yes, and I think it speaks more 102 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: to ours that it is that that does to our deity. 103 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: You know, so around in a span of eight hundred years, 104 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: which is just not even a blanquot eyes an atom 105 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: of time cosmologically, we woke up, we had Latsu, Buddha, Confucius, 106 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: zo Astor, and all the way to Jesus. And these 107 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: men began a revolutionary religious concept of internal religion. God 108 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: is in you. The Book of Thomas, found in oxy Rinchus, says, 109 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: if they tell you that Jesus that heaven is in 110 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: the air, the birds will get there before you. If 111 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: they tell you it's below you in the sea, the 112 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: fish are already there. But I tell you the Kingdom 113 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: of God is within you and all around you. And 114 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 3: that is I think where El had us headed. So 115 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: that's just my take on it. 116 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 2: That's an interesting take. So this the book of Enoch, 117 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: Why do you think it was hidden instead of promoted 118 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: our passed down like the Bible that we know. Why 119 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: did he get, you know, hurried away into a cave? 120 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: Well, I have two answers for that. First of all, 121 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: it really is canon in only one, well two churches. 122 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: The nations of Eritrea and Ethiopia used to be one nation, 123 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: and they split a short time ago, so now there's 124 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: two nations there. Within their Orthodox churches of Eritrea and Ethiopia, 125 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: the books of Jubilees and Enoch are canon in their 126 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: broader canon. They have eighty one books in their canon. 127 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: Think of it this way. I tell my friends who 128 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: argue with me about the sixty six books, Do you 129 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: really think that God said less as time goes on? 130 00:08:59,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: No? 131 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: No, he did not. We we keep cutting things out, 132 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: we keep making decisions. But you're Catholic, you have seventy 133 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: three books in your Bible because you have the Apocryphone. 134 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: If you're Protestant, you have sixty six. If you're Orthodox 135 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: you have a couple more. If you're Ethiopic you have 136 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: eighty one. 137 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: Interesting, well, because we're Catholic, we actually just read the bulletin. 138 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: We don't even read the Bible. Are the butts off 139 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: of that? We just want to see who's advertising on 140 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: the back. Let's get to some phone calls. Oh wait, 141 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: before we do, though, before we do, you promised me 142 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: a story about Goliath. David and Goliath, because we were 143 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: talking about giants and they survive the flood and Goliath 144 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: apparently as well. 145 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: If you read really carefully, in Genesis six, it says 146 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: there were giants in the earth in those days and afterwards. Yes, 147 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: And I don't know why we just ignore the afterwards part. 148 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: So there are a couple of bloodlines that are possible. 149 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: We know that Noah's bloodline was pure, but those boys 150 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: ham Chim and Jaya, they married and they had babies, 151 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: and their wives could have been very very likely contaminated 152 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: with the bloodline of the giants. That's number one. Number two, 153 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: there is a very old story and apocophal story about 154 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: King Ogg. King Ogg is mentioned several times in the Bible. 155 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: He was the king of a nation of giants. They 156 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: said that he was so large, when, of course one 157 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: apocabal story just exaggerates the heck out of it, but 158 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: he was about thirteen and a half feet tall. One 159 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 3: story says that he managed to hold on to the 160 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: arc and plead with Noah to allow him to live, 161 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: and he would serve Noah's family. So we have that 162 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: bloodline that could have survived these And I'm gonna throw 163 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 3: something out here that nobody has this, This is incredible. 164 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: My brother in law is a doctor. I came in 165 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: one day and I said, he, what do you know 166 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: about the H H blood factor? And he looked at 167 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: me like I had two heads rich and that. He said, 168 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: I've never heard of that, There's no such thing. I said, yeah, 169 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: there's A B, A B and O and then there's 170 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 3: h H. And I'm thinking this is so extraordinary. It 171 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: only occurs in the Middle East India. In the Middle 172 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: East India, Pakistan and over toward Iraq and Iran. It's 173 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: the only place you'll find it, which happens to be 174 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: coincidentally where they landed. So, I, you know, just throwing 175 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: this out here. Look up H H blood type and 176 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: you will find it is extremely rare, but it's still around. 177 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 3: I wonder if that was an anomaly from that particular 178 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: inbreeding or Yeah. 179 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: So anyway, well we all know was glath like part 180 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: of a group of giants that made it past? 181 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: Is that? 182 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: Is that what happened? 183 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: Then? 184 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: Yes, his mother was a giant. All of his brothers 185 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: were giants, and they all had an anomaly. They were 186 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: all polydactyl They all had six fingers and six toes, 187 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: so they had twelve digits fingers and toes. It's kind 188 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: of an interesting thing, isn't it. 189 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard that before. 190 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just in there. I just had to ferret 191 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: it out. 192 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at 193 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 194 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: com for more