Speaker 1: Welcome to pod meets Twirld, a podcast from two guys
Speaker 1: who had never seen an episode of Dancing with the
Speaker 1: Stars but took it on and walked away experts. So
Speaker 1: now we turn to Traders, another show I've never seen,
Speaker 1: while Will is convinced he could win it. We are
Speaker 1: Wilfred Ellen Ryder Strong, two best friends, won a TV expert,
Speaker 1: one a TV skeptic, both dance scholars join us as
Speaker 1: we step into a castle full of lies, alliances, and
Speaker 1: over the top wardrobe choices.
Speaker 2: This is pod meets Twirld.
Speaker 1: Trading places dramatic cloak reveal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't just take their cloak off. The turn
Speaker 2: is good to do the turn. That's my that's my emperor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Emperor, Young Skywalker.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that delector Shield will be fully of operation.
Speaker 1: Visual jokes on the podcast so many, I know, look
Speaker 1: at this space, I can make all right, Traders. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I am I'm in deep, I'm sucked in. But I'm
Speaker 1: also I'm having lots.
Speaker 2: Of strange feelings.
Speaker 1: Okay, and we can talk about it, stuck it out,
Speaker 1: you know, Like here, I've just had a complicated relationship
Speaker 1: with reality TV in general. I was one of those
Speaker 1: people who really really hated it too. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: partly because it you know, it was killing our industry
Speaker 1: like it is, yeah it still is. But when we
Speaker 1: were finishing boy Mes World, reality was ascendant, Like do
Speaker 1: you remember, it was like a big deal that the
Speaker 1: game shows were coming back because Who Wants to Be
Speaker 1: a Millionaire was taken off and they decided to put
Speaker 1: it on every night, and so like shows, like traditional
Speaker 1: television shows with and acting and all of the things
Speaker 1: was too expensive and those jobs started going away. And
Speaker 1: then we had the strike, the writer's strike, the old
Speaker 1: writer strike. There's been so many now, I know anyway,
Speaker 1: I you know, so I was always pretty negative and
Speaker 1: you know about it for that reason, but that also
Speaker 1: just the culture, the culture of reality TV I never
Speaker 1: really liked, and.
Speaker 2: I agree it's there's there's very few traditional quote unquote
Speaker 2: reality TV shows that are upbeat and happy. It's all
Speaker 2: about backstabbing and drunkenness and you know, getting arrested. Sue
Speaker 2: and I, because we're gluttons for punishment, are rewatching Jersey Shore,
Speaker 2: the original series of See that's that's kind of magically
Speaker 2: wonderfully awe.
Speaker 1: But I I guess I like, you know, Survivor was
Speaker 1: the only time I really embraced it. Was like, while
Speaker 1: my wife was pregnant for whatever reason, she was like,
Speaker 1: let's watch Survivor and I started getting into itvance So
Speaker 1: that was eleven years ago a half years ago, and
Speaker 1: I got really into it and I could see, you know,
Speaker 1: I could see it as like a sort of a
Speaker 1: physical challenge that was cool, and it never felt I
Speaker 1: don't know, that show always felt wholesome in a way
Speaker 1: that other reality shows didn't anyway. Long way to say,
Speaker 1: during this episode of Traders, I found myself wanting Michael
Speaker 1: Rapaport to be awful because it was.
Speaker 2: Entertaining, right and it worked.
Speaker 1: That was the part of my brain that I don't
Speaker 1: like indulgence, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It felt toxic.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I hope they don't kick Michael
Speaker 1: off because I really like watching him just get a
Speaker 1: dick and like say stupid things. And in a weird way,
Speaker 1: I was liking him for things that I don't like
Speaker 1: in real life at all, Like I don't like you know,
Speaker 1: and I just I know that that's kind of a
Speaker 1: standard reality show like viewing mode.
Speaker 2: But I think it's really awful for us.
Speaker 1: I think it's awful for us as individuals, and I
Speaker 1: think it's really awful for us as a culture because
Speaker 1: I think it's part of the reason our politics are
Speaker 1: the way they are right now. It's like we're almost
Speaker 1: like it's excitement and energy more than like being a
Speaker 1: good person or being clear about what you're saying. It's
Speaker 1: more just like, let's just watch fireworks, like human fireworks,
Speaker 1: like bombs going off. And I just hate that I
Speaker 1: started to feel that way.
Speaker 2: I know, well, it's it's also it's so much easier
Speaker 2: to hate than it is to love. It's so much
Speaker 2: easier to destroy a house than it is to build one.
Speaker 2: That's just the way it is. And so we're kind
Speaker 2: of always appealing to the lowest common denominator, which is
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that Sue and I really have
Speaker 2: our reality TV other than Traders, which is a total
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure thing is really skill based or talent based,
Speaker 2: right like chef shows, chef shows or maybe an occasional
Speaker 2: singing show like Dancing with Stars. Was that was interesting
Speaker 2: to me, like how you have to learn the process
Speaker 2: and learn all about this kind of subworld and all
Speaker 2: that stuff that was really cool. And that's one other
Speaker 2: reason why we love the Great British Big Show. It's
Speaker 2: just people baking that are helping each other. It's really nice.
Speaker 2: But this is, I mean, again with all the stuff
Speaker 2: you're talking about, Michael, most people don't go to NASCAR
Speaker 2: to watch the cars go around in the circle. You
Speaker 2: go to watch a wreck, of course, and that's what
Speaker 2: you're That's what it is with this and you're sitting
Speaker 2: there you're hoping it's funny. An article came out I'm
Speaker 2: going to misquote it, and I don't know who wrote it,
Speaker 2: so you know, essentially all the news nowadays. I read
Speaker 2: it once online, so now I'm talking about it as
Speaker 2: if it was a real thing. But somebody wrote an
Speaker 2: article about how great it was to have quote unquote
Speaker 2: TV Villains back with Michael talking about Michael Rappermarkt where
Speaker 2: it was like it was a joy to have this back,
Speaker 2: and it was like is it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's an interest. This show is
Speaker 1: so interesting because it's like it it seems to constantly
Speaker 1: be like, you know, really what it is. It's a
Speaker 1: role playing game. This is it's still playing D and
Speaker 1: D it's a murder mystery. Yes, weekend night weekend right,
Speaker 1: So there, so they're all role playing, and like I
Speaker 1: think that there's a there's an element of that which
Speaker 1: you know obviously like come in with his costumes and
Speaker 1: then everything. They're all kind of leaning into this like
Speaker 1: arch villainy sort of fun thing. Yeah, and so that
Speaker 1: kind of makes it okay when they're kind of but
Speaker 1: they also, like in this opening of this episode, when
Speaker 1: like they're like mean to each other, they say things
Speaker 1: that I'm like.
Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't be okay, Like.
Speaker 1: If somebody said that to me, even in the context
Speaker 1: of a role play, like I'd be like, dude, you know,
Speaker 1: like when well, we just get into it, but when
Speaker 1: you know, they murder her in this and she's like
Speaker 1: you bitch, yeah, and I'm like, is she's kind of
Speaker 1: not joking.
Speaker 2: I by accident watched thirty seconds of Housewives once because
Speaker 2: I walked into a room and literally the door locked
Speaker 2: behind me and I couldn't get out fast enough. And
Speaker 2: that's but that's what it is. It'sh drunken women backstabbing
Speaker 2: each other, talking about their husbands, talking about their families.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you said that about me. It's the
Speaker 2: worst of society. And the problem is we are making
Speaker 2: them that this is what this is. This is D
Speaker 2: and D role playing game coupled with alcohol, coupled with
Speaker 2: the unwarranted arrogance of quote unquote celebrity. So you put
Speaker 2: it all together and it's just a beautiful mess of
Speaker 2: an awful symphony of gorgeousness. So yeah, and it just
Speaker 2: it does. It sucks you and you don't want to
Speaker 2: watch and you can't look away. It's awful, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, in the breakfast room, Ron was the first faithful
Speaker 1: tied to a tree from the night before who showed
Speaker 1: up and wasn't murdered. They started asking him questions about
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: Smart by the way, you got to see if everybody
Speaker 2: gets their story straight, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: And then Lisa walked in and she is one of
Speaker 1: the traders and really a bad liar.
Speaker 2: I hope they I was like, maybe she told the
Speaker 2: best story in the world, and they just edited it
Speaker 2: to me like she couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I had the same thought because they added all those
Speaker 1: extra pauses.
Speaker 2: And I mean that was no one would have believed
Speaker 2: her ever ever with that story it was like, dude,
Speaker 2: come up with make up something they can get a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I know it was bad, but but yeah, she just
Speaker 1: she also just like overdid it?
Speaker 2: You know, she's like talking too much. Yes, like you
Speaker 2: are a lie. Simple it's the easiest thing to do,
Speaker 2: right or simple.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe no one really caught onto it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, like you're saying, I think there was some
Speaker 1: selective editing going on to make it.
Speaker 2: But even if you just took what she was saying.
Speaker 1: Like the way she was getting so into it, I
Speaker 1: was like, uh okay, yeah, and uh oh. And then
Speaker 1: Ron had this this whole thing about how he heard
Speaker 1: light footsteps, which is actually pretty good, like yes, you know,
Speaker 1: a good.
Speaker 2: Heavy guy is going to make different footsteps than a
Speaker 2: light little woman.
Speaker 1: And there were there are two women and that, you know,
Speaker 1: But immediately he picked the wrong person, went for Mara,
Speaker 1: who's like even tinier, I guess, but like, yeah, but it.
Speaker 2: Was a good theory, you know. And I don't think
Speaker 2: it's her. I don't take it. I don't think it's her.
Speaker 2: I don't take it to her. I do want to
Speaker 2: take it to her.
Speaker 1: I like, man, Ron, he is just always on the
Speaker 1: outside of this entire.
Speaker 2: Game now just pissed, like he's just walking around. I agree,
Speaker 2: really get it.
Speaker 1: Like they're all still like bringing up Porsche and him
Speaker 1: like turning on her. But meanwhile he's the only he's
Speaker 1: actually giving evidence, which he did, like this is a
Speaker 1: good goal, Like I meanwhile, Colton's.
Speaker 2: Just pointing at people, going I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's just like throwing out theories. But everyone likes him
Speaker 2: better socially.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, do Ron, you know it's it's a
Speaker 1: little like I don't know, there's a bias. There's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a kind of bias against Ron that I'm not
Speaker 1: because watching it, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I like this guy. He's funny. He's like he's
Speaker 2: the Danielle of this and they're all dancing with the stars. Judges,
Speaker 2: that's what That's what's going on, because I will.
Speaker 3: Tell you firsthand. Ron Funcius is known as one of
Speaker 3: the nicest guys in comedy.
Speaker 2: He seems like he would be yes.
Speaker 3: Yes meets World fan. By the way, is he really
Speaker 3: really know that I Have'm friends with run?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, it's so cool. I feel sorry
Speaker 2: for him. Maddie too.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this going like why do they keep going
Speaker 1: up against him? And he's like he doesn't give him
Speaker 1: any reason.
Speaker 2: He how do you play if every time you open
Speaker 2: your mouth somebody thinks that you're you need to be
Speaker 2: kicked off? Which is where it is with him now.
Speaker 2: It's like he can't even like, well, here's the thing
Speaker 2: I saw. It's like I don't trust that rong. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, how AMU? Can I even say anything anymore?
Speaker 2: I guess just get there early, eat the smoked salmon
Speaker 2: that apparently everybody wants. Yeah, there's like this low key
Speaker 2: like b plot going through the whole episodes now about
Speaker 2: smoke salmon. I let smoke salmon. You're in Scotland. Just
Speaker 2: go outside. You literally just hold your hand up. But
Speaker 2: if salmon comes into your hand, it's that easy, Like,
Speaker 2: can't they just provide more smokes?
Speaker 1: I'm hoping there's a payoff to this by like the
Speaker 1: next episode there's like another it's.
Speaker 2: Just a room with salmon, yes, Like all how hard
Speaker 2: of that? They all want smoked salmon. It's pretty much
Speaker 2: it's obvious.
Speaker 1: Oh and then Michael Rapperport talks a little bit about
Speaker 1: his tone and uh, how he is how he talks,
Speaker 1: which is it is sick. He has a very like,
Speaker 1: you know, shit talking tone and he just doesn't shut
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: How long would that last? He's like, I'm gonna change
Speaker 2: my ways. That was like a minute, two minutes? God, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he is a character. Yeah all right.
Speaker 1: Well then Eric comes in and he was one, you know,
Speaker 1: up for Murder two, and he tells the camera, not
Speaker 1: the crowd.
Speaker 2: He tells the camera that he had heard a laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So immediately I thought this was gonna pay off.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty because, I mean, a laugh
Speaker 1: is very specific and like he says later in the episode,
Speaker 1: he's a musician. But so I was stoked on this.
Speaker 1: I was like, again, that's actual evidence. It's not just like,
Speaker 1: oh I don't like this person or whatever. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yep, all right. It was it was Caroline who
Speaker 1: was killed.
Speaker 2: I think she was still killed for the first jacket
Speaker 2: she wash it while she was there, that giant with
Speaker 2: the huge shoulder pads. I still think that's why she
Speaker 2: was killed. Eventually, Yeah, I couldn't get over it. So
Speaker 2: that's it, you're out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I mean I thought this was kind
Speaker 1: of a smart move to kill her because they had
Speaker 1: been taking out all the gamers, right and it was
Speaker 1: like time to like kill a housewive to throw the
Speaker 1: scent off of the housewives, because there's two housewives on
Speaker 1: the trading team.
Speaker 2: We also thought Ron was going to be voted off
Speaker 2: the next day anyway, So two birds with one stone
Speaker 2: get rid of two faithfuls right away, which is it's
Speaker 2: good playing. By the way, rob In is just overalls
Speaker 2: is turning out to be a genius at this game.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it's possible, but all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he's turned into Sherlock Holmes out there. Well, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: He's in a great position to be a trader because
Speaker 1: he's you know, I think he can be low key, yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's not anything from
Speaker 1: him Yeah, exactly, So he's playing it.
Speaker 2: He's flying perfectly, flying under the radar. Really well, nobody
Speaker 2: other than one thing, which we'll get into later, nobody
Speaker 2: has even mentioned any of these three as possibilities of
Speaker 2: being traders.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so when they confront, they do a face
Speaker 1: to face murder with Caroline, And this was when I
Speaker 1: was like man, the way they're talking to each other,
Speaker 1: it's the game.
Speaker 2: Because she was like, I'll see you at Bravo Con.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like.
Speaker 2: Whoa are we going to lose a friendship over this?
Speaker 2: You wonder that you bitch. What do you think would
Speaker 2: happen if if you and I were on the show
Speaker 2: and I pull off my mask and there's you standing
Speaker 2: there as a trader, I'd be like, you asshole, right,
Speaker 2: but with a big smile, Yeah, that's true, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, of course. And I mean I'm maybe they
Speaker 2: are and this, you know, I'm like probably reading too
Speaker 2: much into it, but I guess also because of what
Speaker 2: happens throughout this episode and the next episode, which we'll
Speaker 2: talk about, because they both dropped at the same time.
Speaker 2: You know, it gets right up to the line of
Speaker 2: like is this like really yeah, Like because Ron gets
Speaker 2: into it too. They you know, they're like when he
Speaker 2: later when he's like, I don't want to know about
Speaker 2: your family, I don't care about your you know, like
Speaker 2: my family's done your business or something like. We're right
Speaker 2: up to the line of it, and you know, this
Speaker 2: a game, but I guess at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: also a television show. And it's also for two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars, right, so it's like it's it's
Speaker 2: they're playing to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, after breakfast, they all they all
Speaker 1: split up, and you know, Ron is pretty much everyone's target.
Speaker 1: Tiffany is totally pushing for Ron, like not really sure why.
Speaker 2: Now they've just they're convinced. They're all convinced from the beginning. Yep.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile Colton begins gunning for Tiffany, which kind of
Speaker 1: actually makes sense, Like I can understand this his like
Speaker 1: because she is like making decisions and trying to run
Speaker 1: a lot of isn't Candace doing that too?
Speaker 2: At like every roundtable and yet nobody's talking about Candace.
Speaker 1: Well, I felt like this episode Candace finally pulled it back.
Speaker 1: In those first couple of episodes, I was like, lady,
Speaker 1: you're just making too much of a scene. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be that you're you're the ring leader and everybody sees
Speaker 1: you being a ring lead, yes, which just seems like
Speaker 1: a bad strategy. No matter what, whether you're a trader
Speaker 1: or whether you're a faithful it seems like all you
Speaker 1: do is put a target on your back when you
Speaker 1: start pointy fingers. So like Colton and Tiffany both just
Speaker 1: put themselves out there, and I mean Colton is like
Speaker 1: both of them are like consciously saying I'm going to
Speaker 1: play aggressively.
Speaker 2: I've got but I just don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: good move. Like I don't either. I think, fly under
Speaker 2: the radar and be really good at the challenges. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's the way to get as far as you can
Speaker 2: in the game, Trader or faithful. Just do keep your
Speaker 2: head down. If you can get a shield, great, but
Speaker 2: if not, become indispensable in all the challenges and keep
Speaker 2: your head down.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the whole shield thing, well we'll get into
Speaker 1: it because I didn't know they didn't explain it because
Speaker 1: I guess this has been on previous seasons. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: when we get to that, I had so many questions.
Speaker 1: I was very upset that I wasn't explained. All right,
Speaker 1: but the mission in this episode is throwing spears at beasts.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: This thing's so great. So do they ever repeat have
Speaker 1: you seen this before?
Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen this one before.
Speaker 1: No. I mean this is like a straight ripoff of
Speaker 1: the movie wicker Man, like it's flawed like Culty, sort
Speaker 1: of like Northern England.
Speaker 2: Spooky out of my effigies.
Speaker 1: Oh god, the little stalls in the trees. It's full
Speaker 1: Blair Witch project. I loved it, but.
Speaker 2: I also love how none of the challenges are like
Speaker 2: you got to go find a spear and then put
Speaker 2: it into Wickerman. It's always like you've got to follow
Speaker 2: the shields to find the small wicked people, and then
Speaker 2: you find the spear, you bring it over, you light it,
Speaker 2: and then you yell into the It's it's like nine
Speaker 2: things you've got to do.
Speaker 1: It's so exactly the steps are crazy. I mean it's
Speaker 1: every single time I have to rewind alan comment is
Speaker 1: talking about and every time it doesn't matter. Every time
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I kind of know what they
Speaker 1: have to do, but then I just don't.
Speaker 2: It's like every fourth coin would make the sixth coin
Speaker 2: worth anything except the second coin in the box, and
Speaker 2: you're like, what just happened exactly? It doesn't make.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they keep track of what they
Speaker 1: have to do, because like they yeah, okay, this is
Speaker 1: one involves fire. It looked good, but it's seriously, I
Speaker 1: rewound it like twice, and I was like, I hope.
Speaker 2: I because I still told why were the dolls there?
Speaker 2: Because the dolls signified the area in which the spear
Speaker 2: was going to be found.
Speaker 1: They just had to like dig around and find a
Speaker 1: spear because like they found the first doll.
Speaker 2: Was like, okay, they got the doll. What does that
Speaker 2: mean again the doll? We don't need the doll. It
Speaker 2: was there, so it's great. That's so great.
Speaker 1: But I do love them stabbing stabbing their fire in
Speaker 1: and shouting and.
Speaker 2: There shouting, oh my god.
Speaker 4: And then the way Michael does it is the best.
Speaker 1: So then around this time is when Monett says he
Speaker 1: has vibes about Lisa ooh and.
Speaker 2: The first time we've heard one of the traders name
Speaker 2: said first.
Speaker 1: Time yes, And it's like it's it's amazing how often
Speaker 1: people say versions of this because they you know, like
Speaker 1: again they don't have evidence, they don't, but in this case,
Speaker 1: actually right, yeah, And this is one of those things
Speaker 1: like I have no idea, like if I didn't know
Speaker 1: who the traders were, like, I just have no idea
Speaker 1: how I'd feel about this, Like would I be would
Speaker 1: I have any idea? Look based on how these.
Speaker 2: People act actually sitting there watching the show. I so
Speaker 2: they have to bring back the secret Trader. I think
Speaker 2: so too. Man, it's I like knowing them, but I
Speaker 2: the not knowing was so much better. Maybe in the
Speaker 2: future they have one trader you know about and the
Speaker 2: other three year secret I mean I don't know something
Speaker 2: like that. I agree, man, I think there need to
Speaker 2: be teams. I think there's like like the secret team
Speaker 2: and a non secret team. That's a great way to do.
Speaker 1: Something like that because I just there's so much more.
Speaker 1: It's such a more active viewing experience when you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if you if you know who the
Speaker 1: trader is, agreed one under so much more of a
Speaker 1: like oh oh, because like as it is, you know,
Speaker 1: you're just kind of it's sort of like a self
Speaker 1: satisfying process because it is well, I'm kind of like, hmm,
Speaker 1: I'm so much smarter than that, but I'm actually not right.
Speaker 2: I'm just I just have all the knowledge they don't
Speaker 2: have because I want to watch Jeopardy and be able
Speaker 2: to answer the questions. If you know the answers already,
Speaker 2: then you're just watching to see if the contestants can
Speaker 2: answer the questions, which I guess is fine, but that's
Speaker 2: not why anybody watches Jeopardies. You watch because you want
Speaker 2: to know if you know the answers. That's a great
Speaker 2: parallel man, you know, It's like, that's what you want
Speaker 2: is And I loved the whole time. Every conversation Sue
Speaker 2: and I are having the whole time was who do
Speaker 2: you think the secret trader is? So who's the secret trader?
Speaker 2: Who's And now that that's gone, it's like, Okay, wow,
Speaker 2: Lisa Renna is a really bad liar or this, but
Speaker 2: it's kind of oh somebody said her name. So it's
Speaker 2: still enjoyable, but it's a different level when when you're
Speaker 2: playing along with everybody there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I almost feel like they would get even
Speaker 1: more content out of it.
Speaker 2: Because you could like replay moments. Oh you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like if if if they played this, you know, Lisa
Speaker 1: line at breakfast and it was just part of the
Speaker 1: show and I didn't know that she was a trader,
Speaker 1: and then I found out she was a trader, I
Speaker 1: would like then want to see that scene again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe feel differently, but it would.
Speaker 2: Be like, do you know what I mean? Great idea I.
Speaker 1: Wonder if there's I don't know, I wonder if they
Speaker 1: played around with all different ways. I was trying to
Speaker 1: think like how the show got developed, Like did they
Speaker 1: They must have done like a series of test pilots, right, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: running around with.
Speaker 2: Like in the game in the UK, and they did.
Speaker 2: But it's also everything is so heightened when you're when
Speaker 2: you are the ones holding the secret. Do you remember
Speaker 2: Joe Show? So that first season at Josh Moo Show
Speaker 2: was the best, and there were so many times where
Speaker 2: they were quote unquote so close to losing it. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, we thought we blew it. We'd be And
Speaker 2: then at the end when they interviewed the main guy
Speaker 2: who was the shmo, He's like, I didn't see any
Speaker 2: of that, Like all the stuff you guys were freaked
Speaker 2: out about. I did not catch one single thing of that.
Speaker 2: So I think when you're actually in it, it's totally different.
Speaker 2: So the things we're seeing, as you know, as they're
Speaker 2: eating their salmon, we'd be like, wow, Lisa Renner's kind
Speaker 2: of not lying really well, or that story seemed weird,
Speaker 2: But when you're stared at breakfast, it's probably like she
Speaker 2: told her story and was like, oh, wow, crazy, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, I don't I just don't know how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to experiment with the four about a
Speaker 1: little yeah. But all right, so lots of uh Ron
Speaker 1: is like the first one, of course hauled out or
Speaker 1: set up for murder.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then we got Colton, who's gunning for Tiffany. Mark was
Speaker 1: the first one to shout of Ron right. Then Candice
Speaker 1: and Lisa, who are you know, on the same team
Speaker 1: at both traders. They their team chose Tiffany, and Tiffany
Speaker 1: came in and did monet. The next team picked Michael.
Speaker 1: But you know that's just because they don't like him.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course Michael uh picked Tara and just shouted
Speaker 1: her name over and over again. That Alan commits this
Speaker 1: little like commentary to the cameras, just.
Speaker 2: Like Michael not quite getting the doesn't have to shout
Speaker 2: it over and you can only see it once. Uh
Speaker 2: Steven gets picked.
Speaker 1: Who Steven's just been totally flying under the radar. I
Speaker 1: don't wait which one Stephen exactly exactly? I don't even
Speaker 1: know he's which one is he?
Speaker 3: Okay, he's the guy from like the Orange County Show,
Speaker 3: like the like the O C.
Speaker 2: Or whatever right from One Tree Hill.
Speaker 3: He was also on the reality show, but yeah, he was.
Speaker 2: On Laguna Beach too, One Tree Hill and Laguna Beach. Okay, gotcha,
Speaker 2: got you, got you, Steve.
Speaker 1: But he's been totally like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a non kind of a non player.
Speaker 2: Yes, And did you see I love when they do
Speaker 2: the cutaways, especially when you know that they're all fake,
Speaker 2: that they're not staying in the castle. And do you
Speaker 2: see the one cutaway where he's just sitting in the
Speaker 2: chair and he's going through notes. Yeah, like he's been
Speaker 2: sitting there. We rewound it three times, laughing our ass off,
Speaker 2: like he's like sitting there, like, hm, who do I think?
Speaker 2: Oh god, it's the best I have been.
Speaker 3: Much like when you're a kid and you're like, what
Speaker 3: would my SNL shot be, like the like at a
Speaker 3: bar you look over shot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to figure out what my trader shot
Speaker 3: would be, and I think mine would be in bed
Speaker 3: getting ready and I sort of like turn the turn
Speaker 3: the little reading light on and then I pull up
Speaker 3: a book and it says how to Live with a
Speaker 3: huge penis, Like I think that's the best possible, you know, like,
Speaker 3: obviously how to win traders is pretty good.
Speaker 1: But how to how to manage the giant that's great.
Speaker 3: I think that'd be the best.
Speaker 2: How to avoid lower back pain with a giant honking
Speaker 2: penis Yeah.
Speaker 3: Any food one is also funny. Like you're in bed
Speaker 3: or whatever and then you like turn on the light
Speaker 3: and you just pull out like big barbecue ribs and
Speaker 3: start snacking.
Speaker 2: See that. Yeah, that would be great too. I'm filling
Speaker 2: up water balloons for no reason, that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bunting pennies out of the jar exactly great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to think about what mine would be.
Speaker 1: We should shoot ours will which we should?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we totally be hysterical, just random ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well Steven's flat of the radar if
Speaker 1: and again, if this, if I were watching this not
Speaker 1: knowing who the traders are, I might think he's a
Speaker 1: trader because he's playing. It's so he's just letting everyone
Speaker 1: like go at each other and stand back.
Speaker 2: You also wonder what because apparently at one point we've
Speaker 2: heard some of the contestants saying things like, you know,
Speaker 2: I talked for twenty minutes at that roundtable, and they
Speaker 2: didn't put any of it in, I know, so you
Speaker 2: wonder what they're actually you know, using and what they aren't.
Speaker 2: And maybe the players are all talking more. They're just
Speaker 2: not as exciting a storyline. And here's my question about
Speaker 2: the roundtable. Is it a timed thing?
Speaker 3: No, it's just no. They just like that, like you're
Speaker 3: a big Survivor fan, Like I've heard over the years
Speaker 3: that some of those Survivor tribal councils are like six
Speaker 3: hours long.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they do the same thing apparently on Top
Speaker 2: Chef where the judges will collaborate for like five days,
Speaker 2: like five hours.
Speaker 3: And Bachelor too. Those Bachelor ones are at like two
Speaker 3: am and they can go to like five.
Speaker 1: So they just usually they're just letting them and Y
Speaker 1: film it. Yeah, and then Alan Commons just decides to
Speaker 1: step in and go all right, now we vote.
Speaker 2: My guess is when people start to repeat themselves again
Speaker 2: over which always happens in a conversation with that many people,
Speaker 2: that's when they'll be like, all right, now everybody's just
Speaker 2: saying the same thing, let's just jump in.
Speaker 1: But now Alan Commons does he ever jump into the roundtable?
Speaker 2: And like, nope, referee at all. Now I was amazed
Speaker 2: last time when in the last episode when Michael started
Speaker 2: to go after jam Jam and and Alan was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, why don't you save this for the roundtable?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh wow, he's stepping in and saying that.
Speaker 2: Even that was kind of out of character, which is great.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Well, after Stephen was uh burned, I
Speaker 1: guess it's the yes Yes burned in effigy. Then h
Speaker 1: Mark marka Ballast's team chose Lisa, then Ron's team chose Moura,
Speaker 1: and then Natalie stabbed for Johnny and uh Mark and
Speaker 1: Colton found the last spear and they did jam Jam,
Speaker 1: who cried yeah, which I was a little like, are
Speaker 1: you really like it's emotional?
Speaker 2: You just had your effigy stabbed and then burned in
Speaker 2: a Scottish countryside.
Speaker 1: I guess I get confused sometimes, like I feel like
Speaker 1: I would be emotional about.
Speaker 2: Being banished, not about being murdered. Yeah, being murdered seems
Speaker 2: like it's an honor kind of exactly exactly like that one.
Speaker 1: We just don't like you exactly right, And and and
Speaker 1: obviously if jam Jam is feeling like they're not liking
Speaker 1: him because he has been on the chop. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been circulated as if he's a trader, like.
Speaker 2: So, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was a little like why like it was it
Speaker 1: was an interesting emotional I mean obviously it was real
Speaker 1: because I don't think he benefits.
Speaker 2: From an emotional dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they were in the cars on the
Speaker 1: way back, and like I think it was Mara was
Speaker 1: talking about just taking it really personally, you know, she
Speaker 1: was like, you know, and Tiffany was gunning for Ron
Speaker 1: and turning Moura against him.
Speaker 2: It seems to be more personal this season than it
Speaker 2: was last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, because I guess I expected more strategy.
Speaker 2: But as Faithful's what can you what kind of strategy
Speaker 2: can you have?
Speaker 1: Well, all the stuff about like hearing light footsteps a laugh,
Speaker 1: testing these people by you know, confronting them, like you know,
Speaker 1: seeing how they lie or answer a question that seems
Speaker 1: like more fun, but like just kind of picking on
Speaker 1: somebody because you don't like them, or they don't ask
Speaker 1: about your family or whatever I'm like, or because they
Speaker 1: burned your shield when reality is they had to burn
Speaker 1: somebody's shield, like somebody's up for murder. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: but now we get this glorious shot that will live
Speaker 1: rent free in my mind forever of Michael rapperport.
Speaker 2: Eating Did you notice this? Did I notice it?
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: One of the crazy he is like taking the plate,
Speaker 2: the plate? Did it level with his mouth? Just shoveling
Speaker 2: it in?
Speaker 1: I was like, who eats like that? A and then anyway,
Speaker 1: it's like that on camera? Unbelievable. I could we we
Speaker 1: stopped and we were like did we just see that? Like,
Speaker 1: how is that okay?
Speaker 2: Anywhere? Could get anywhere?
Speaker 1: Yes, this man, this is what he eats like in
Speaker 1: public on camera?
Speaker 2: What unbelievable. I was just wondering, like who hoses him
Speaker 2: down after dinner? Exactly? I just like, are we just
Speaker 2: going to tie a feedback to you next?
Speaker 1: Like what.
Speaker 2: Job?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 2: Job? Get it all the way around? Yes, it just
Speaker 2: and the condon it in there. It's like that is seriously,
Speaker 2: that is he's got to have ten older brothers and
Speaker 2: you just eat as fast as you can so you
Speaker 2: can eat. I just got it because I don't know
Speaker 2: where that's okay, Like, dude, did you learn to eat?
Speaker 2: That's why there's no salmon left? My God? Like God,
Speaker 2: don't put anything near his mouth. Yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And this is about where I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want him to leave, like I just it's my favorite
Speaker 1: everything everything I hate about this guy. I love.
Speaker 2: This is where the toxicity of.
Speaker 1: Reality TV leave God because I was just like, that's entertainment.
Speaker 2: Oh god watching to be Oh he is a character.
Speaker 2: He is a character. My God. That was great. Yep,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: I feel like Tiffany is being very aggressive, you know,
Speaker 1: just not taking Colton's accusations and stride.
Speaker 2: But it seems like every time Coulton opens his mouth,
Speaker 2: everyone's like read. I think it's because he clocked uh
Speaker 2: a mom, uh uh Donna, yeah, Mama, Kelsey. Yeah that
Speaker 2: now he's got some cred to where when you talk
Speaker 2: to people are listening. But but it's also just he's
Speaker 2: the leader, like he's you know, he's got charisma and
Speaker 2: he sounds like he's making sense and he's got a plan,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But actually his plan is not based on much. His
Speaker 1: plan is just kind of like I.
Speaker 2: Think it's this person. Yeah, he'll say I'm taking a
Speaker 2: swing to night like exact, okay with.
Speaker 1: What yeah, whereas like Ron with his light steps facts.
Speaker 2: Nobody nobody cares about ron'stat. You know, yeah, nobody cares.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so roundtable gets pretty uh interesting. Yeah, when Eric
Speaker 1: lays out this laugh evidence, which it's just such a bummer.
Speaker 2: It's well, it's a bummer because it's the way he
Speaker 2: sets it up where he's like, I'm a musician. My
Speaker 2: ears are magical, their Elvin ears given to me by Yes,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like, oh God, and he's just he
Speaker 2: couldn't build it up anymore. I've won magical ear nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven through twenty eleven. It's like, oh God, and
Speaker 2: then he's wrong. It's just it's so it sucks because
Speaker 2: he really does swing for the fences. The traders are
Speaker 2: so happy, Oh my god, overjoyed. They don't have to
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm the second that that laugh, Like the evidence was
Speaker 1: presented one you know, you know that their hearts were
Speaker 1: just like, oh god, yep.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to say Candace. I thought
Speaker 2: he was going to say Candace. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was like it was you, Candace,
Speaker 2: And I was like, and then it was going to
Speaker 2: be this amazing kind of like I'm waiting for the
Speaker 2: moment of the when I'm on the show, I get
Speaker 2: to take off my mask and I noticed the small
Speaker 2: crumpled shoulder of one person where Alan had actually tapped
Speaker 2: them on the shoulder to pick them as a trader,
Speaker 2: and you call out the perfect thing, Like I thought
Speaker 2: that was this, Like I heard a laugh and it
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, he's gonna say Candace's kid. I was like, ugh,
Speaker 2: and then nope, no, not a thing, no, nope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it lined up perfectly with Colton's Tiffany theory perfectly.
Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody just yeped for Tiffany, which yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I I could see.
Speaker 1: Myself like I would totally trust that because it actually
Speaker 1: has some logic.
Speaker 2: Most people said it wasn't Colton either. A lot of
Speaker 2: people afterwards said when I heard what Eric said, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's what made me change my vote. And so
Speaker 2: it's you are looking for somebody who has here's the thing.
Speaker 2: They're looking for somebody who has solid evidence unless it's
Speaker 2: coming from Ron and then they and then they don't care.
Speaker 2: Anybody care exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's it's you know, like Colton and Eric like
Speaker 1: the response after like this if by the logic that
Speaker 1: they're going after Ron or they've gone after a lot
Speaker 1: of people, they should turn on Colton and Eric and
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 2: Nope at all, although spoiler alert in later episodes. In
Speaker 2: a later episode, it seems like Colton's name is now
Speaker 2: starting to be thrown around a bit. Yes, yes, but not.
Speaker 1: Eric's not Eric like at all, like and you know, actually,
Speaker 1: if he was a trader, it would be a brilliant
Speaker 1: move to just get somebody out that you don't want.
Speaker 2: Really, you know, say this laugh thing.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: God, I just don't know how I.
Speaker 1: Would play this game. I'd be so bad at it.
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't think you would be. I honestly do
Speaker 2: not think you would be. I think you would get there,
Speaker 2: and I think you'd well, it depends. I think if
Speaker 2: you were a faithful you would get there. You would
Speaker 2: let everything go, you'd enjoy your breakfast, you'd have fun
Speaker 2: with the challenges, and then you'd try to figure out
Speaker 2: what was going on. If you were a trader, it
Speaker 2: might be a little rough you because just because you
Speaker 2: don't like to lie to people. Yeah, so you'd figure
Speaker 2: it out. Though, you'd figure it out. Well, we'll have
Speaker 2: to see what we play. Maybe we can be a team.
Speaker 1: So at this point we're already an episode ahead. But
Speaker 1: do you remember who you thought would be murdered?
Speaker 2: No, God, I don't. Do you remember who you thought
Speaker 2: would be murdered? I thought Steven? Actually did you?
Speaker 1: Or you kill Eric? Because everyone knows that he, you know,
Speaker 1: messed up.
Speaker 2: And you mean not be not banished? Do you mean murderer?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So do we get through the banishment? We know it's Tiffany.
Speaker 1: Tiffany gets banished and of course reveals that.
Speaker 2: She goes through the circle of you and tells everybody
Speaker 2: what she is a faithful? What do you? What do
Speaker 2: you like?
Speaker 1: I mean, has anybody ever just stood there and been
Speaker 1: like I'm a faithful, I'm a trader and walked out?
Speaker 1: Or they always have to give.
Speaker 2: No, I think they always want to speak. I remember
Speaker 2: the one I remember the most was the very first
Speaker 2: person kicked off last season was Wells Adams. You and
Speaker 2: I met Wells at one of the iHeart parties. He
Speaker 2: came to dinner with us. He's married to Sarah Hyland
Speaker 2: and he was on The Bachelor I think or one
Speaker 2: of these things survive or something like that mm hm.
Speaker 2: And he was the first one to go and they
Speaker 2: just picked him like somebody went I think it's wells
Speaker 2: And I remember him he was pissed, like he was like,
Speaker 2: way to go, everybody, nice job, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you could tell him first person to leave.
Speaker 2: He was upset about it. But unlike Dona Kelsey, who
Speaker 2: was like, you did it. You caught a trader, right.
Speaker 2: I think now people are really starting to get are
Speaker 2: going to start getting more and more personal. And this
Speaker 2: is also the first time I had ever seen anybody
Speaker 2: in Tiffany say I need the money. I know. I'd
Speaker 2: never heard that before.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because it's not a whole lot of money,
Speaker 1: just compared to other shows like Survivor you get a
Speaker 1: million dollars, you know, and it's been that way forever,
Speaker 1: like a lot of these shows. You know, it just
Speaker 1: seems like the money is not.
Speaker 2: Really the point of this show, right, right. But that's
Speaker 2: why I was amazed, where she was like like I'm
Speaker 2: crying and saying I need the money.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's that was I'd never seen it before.
Speaker 2: That was tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially because they're celebrities, right, Like most of these
Speaker 1: people are probably pretty well off.
Speaker 2: Zoom or yeah, but you never you just never know.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Tiffany is banished and the Traders get together
Speaker 1: to discuss who they're going to murder. And at this
Speaker 1: point I did I thought Steven would be the one
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: I actually do remember who I picked, and I turned
Speaker 2: out I was right, really because only because it's the
Speaker 2: only person to ever have one of the traders names
Speaker 2: cross their lips. That was the only only time he'd
Speaker 2: ever heard it. So I was like, Hey, if that
Speaker 2: person's up, they gotta go. That's what I would say
Speaker 2: if I was a trader. It's like one person your
Speaker 2: name came out of one person's mouth. That person's got
Speaker 2: to go. And then they even talk about well, hopefully
Speaker 2: I'm the only one they took because he told it.
Speaker 2: This person told it to Candice, right.
Speaker 1: See, I had a feeling, I because because Eric messed
Speaker 1: up so bad, right, and I think it was pretty
Speaker 1: obvious that he felt bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that it was you know that.
Speaker 1: Like I think murdering him because now I feel like
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna work so hard to get everybody on
Speaker 1: his side, and everyone's gonna be like, oh, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: he's can't be a trader, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, but why does he get such a pass for
Speaker 2: that huge faux pas? And Ron is still in the
Speaker 2: proverbial cage, like I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think maybe Ron is just not he's just
Speaker 1: not personal enough, you know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, I think he's just
Speaker 2: a Yeah, it's like you haven't gotten to know anybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And then but it's also double edged store.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're way too friendly. You've got to
Speaker 2: be a trade right, That's what I mean. Where's the balance?
Speaker 1: That's why I think he's looking at it as like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a strategy game, let's play the strategy. And other
Speaker 1: people are like it's a personality social mind game, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it that way. It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it sucks. I don't know either, all right. Any final
Speaker 1: thoughts before we end this episode.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to ask you. We're now five in
Speaker 2: or four in excuse me, at the end of four
Speaker 2: do you have any hot takes on who you think
Speaker 2: is gonna win? Do you still are you sticking with uh,
Speaker 2: with your your girl Natalie or who do you think
Speaker 2: who do you think is there at the end. Oh god, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I'm starting to think the Traders are just killing it.
Speaker 1: They're doing well, and now that they're more in control,
Speaker 1: because really they're doing this well and they well, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. I don't even think that they're
Speaker 1: doing that well. I think the Faithful are doing so poorly.
Speaker 1: That's what it is that I think you're right. But
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of the two. I think
Speaker 1: Rob is playing it very well. I think the other
Speaker 1: I think Candice has pulled.
Speaker 2: It back a little bit, which is good, But I
Speaker 2: do I don't think I think everybody else when you're
Speaker 2: everybody's following somebody like Colton, which seems like what they're doing,
Speaker 2: and Colton keeps swinging wrong. Yes, he's just doing the
Speaker 2: work for the Traders.
Speaker 1: They don't have to do anything exactly. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's playing horribly on the field side, and so the Traders,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they've been kind of lucky because
Speaker 1: all the the Donna's choices for them for the murder
Speaker 1: that were horrible, so they didn't actually get to have
Speaker 1: that much strategy in those first episodes, you know, But
Speaker 1: now that she's gone, and that they are in control.
Speaker 1: No one's guessing them, no one's thinking about them, and
Speaker 1: they're all just all over the place. It's so I'm
Speaker 1: not feeling I feel like there might be a trader win.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a possibility. I also would like to throw
Speaker 2: somebody out there as a hot take for being there
Speaker 2: at the end. I think people really like, and I
Speaker 2: do too, Johnny Whir And I think there's a chance
Speaker 2: Johnny's there at or near the end of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: flying under the radar, funny, personable. People seem to like them.
Speaker 2: Nobody I think has set his name or come even
Speaker 2: close to saying his name. I think there's a chance
Speaker 2: that Johnny could be there towards the end.
Speaker 1: Well, so how does it work, because I really like
Speaker 1: if the traders win, do they all win? Do they
Speaker 1: all three have to win?
Speaker 2: Or just like one trader, one trader is there at
Speaker 2: the end and then that person gets all the money.
Speaker 2: If there's multiple traders at the end, they split it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's and it's yeah, it's like they stand around
Speaker 2: a fire, of course, because nothing can be easy. They
Speaker 2: stand around the fire. They get the blood of truth,
Speaker 2: they take the blood of truth to the Temple of Galam. No,
Speaker 2: they have they stand around the fire and they all
Speaker 2: have to decide we're all faithful's here, I try, we're
Speaker 2: all faithfuls. Let's end the game. And then they like
Speaker 2: throw their thing into the fire to show like it's
Speaker 2: green or what burns green or something, and it shows
Speaker 2: that the game is over, and so they're ready to go,
Speaker 2: and then they find out whether they're all faithfuls or
Speaker 2: whether some of the traders. So last season, four people
Speaker 2: were there and they all made it. They were all trade,
Speaker 2: all faithfuls. But if one trader's there and has fooled everybody,
Speaker 2: then that person gets all the money. So is it
Speaker 2: possible for just traders to be sure? I would imagine.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know how that would happen.
Speaker 2: But if they murder everybody, they might look around and
Speaker 2: we just won. What do we do now? So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's so interesting. But I think you're right. I
Speaker 2: don't think they're playing particularly well. And I think the
Speaker 2: more personal and judgmental you get, and the more you
Speaker 2: take it personally, the worse you play. Yes, And I
Speaker 2: think that's we're going to start seeing that more and
Speaker 2: more yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's it for this episode of Pod meets Twirled.
Speaker 1: Alliances were tested, trust misplaced.
Speaker 2: And once again we've been left with the cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: Join us next time as we continue our journey through
Speaker 1: season four of Traders, a show in which, as Shakespeare
Speaker 1: said in a Scottish play, fair is foul and foul
Speaker 1: is fair