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Speaker 2: Oh, first of all, I am just a dude from

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Speaker 1: So you're working on that.

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Speaker 2: I say in a football coach, I mean nobody. I

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you about this in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear about it.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of notes.

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you should be about this farming.

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about while we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Infuriated, But just do what most people do and ignore them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well I can do that, really well. I can

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Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney.

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Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, a father, an entrepreneur,

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Speaker 2: our country's problems will never be solved by a bunch

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Speaker 2: I can help. That's what Deb Ellinger, the voice we

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Speaker 2: Debbie Ellinger, I have been really looking forward to meet you.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to Memphis.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody Debbie Ellinger. But it's a dub.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is all my friends call me down.

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Speaker 2: You're deb and are your friends you are? I get

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Speaker 2: to call you down. You do all right? Perfect? So

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Speaker 2: crazy life, amazing story, and we're going to unpack it all.

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Speaker 2: But first, just who you are, where you come from

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the city of Detroit. Love my

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Speaker 2: Let me in something. Did your dad wear a gun?

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Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't get more blue collar Detroit feeling

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Speaker 1: Just because honestly they just loved me so much.

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Speaker 2: I wish that I knew the roads. But my grandparents

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Speaker 1: In Detroit, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And they made those things in Detroit. Yeah, And while

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Speaker 2: And so when I knew we were interviewing you and

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Speaker 2: You are by way of Massey Ferguson. And the reason

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Speaker 1: Between us for sharing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very cool. So where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 1: Fairs State University.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 1: It's a college in northern Michigan. I guess if you

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Speaker 2: You get put on the street and you run around

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Speaker 2: Did you arrest him and force him in this? No?

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Speaker 2: more of a New York cops story, but it was still

443
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: a cop story.

444
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.

445
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: All right, and your first kid's name is Madison Madison,

446
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: and so how many kids? So but you you you

447
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: you get out of law enforcement when Madison is.

448
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the other three come later, right, Well, so

449
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: I have Maddie, and I remember when I had her.

450
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think I want to go

451
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: back to work anymore. And my husband was like, we

452
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 1: did not talk about this, like I know, surprise, and

453
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: so so I had her, and then we got I

454
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: was pregnant with Laney in two thousand and I left

455
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: my job in like ninety eight, ninety nine.

456
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: Got it. Yeah, at this point you're a mom.

457
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: I am a mom, stay at home mom. Yeah, it

458
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: was great, loving it so great?

459
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: Is it?

460
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? I loved it.

461
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, we Lisa and I have four children. We

462
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: had four and four years.

463
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: God bless you. God blessed Lisa, God bless Lisa.

464
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: I didn't you know, I did the fun part.

465
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: She's amazing too.

466
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,959
Speaker 2: She is phenomenal. Yes, she absolutely is. So did you

467
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: stay at home mom?

468
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? So I had Maddie and ninety eight, and then

469
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: we had Laney in two thousand and then we had

470
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Peyton in two thousand and one, so they're fourteen months apart.

471
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: And then my son Maguire was born in two thousand

472
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: and five.

473
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: And this whole time you're being a mom. I am

474
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: What's shape do for a living?

475
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: He's a carpenter. He loves to build things.

476
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: I love it. So at this point you're having just

477
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: the normal American life with a little bit over the

478
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: average number of kids, and you're living a dream. But

479
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: you feel called to do something else.

480
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a nonprofit in the area asked if I

481
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: would be interested in working for them and doing what

482
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Sunday school programs for inner city kids at a church

483
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and vacation Bible schools. So I did Sunday school programs.

484
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I created a program forum, created a VBS program, vacation

485
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: Bible School program, and loved it. Loved it so much.

486
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: And then we had a girl run away that I

487
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: was pretty close.

488
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 2: To from Bible school.

489
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she had ran away from home, but she

490
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: was involved in our Bible school. She was involved in

491
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: our Sunday mornings. And I had the you know, the

492
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: local gramma who knows everyone's stuff that's going on, call

493
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: me at like seven in the morning and she's like,

494
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: you got to turn the news on. This girl's picture

495
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: was on the news. She had been missing for four days.

496
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

497
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, we got to

498
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. So I texted her and

499
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: called her and paid like all the things, and finally

500
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: she got back with me, this girl, and I was like,

501
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: you need to come home fifteen and she got back

502
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah. I was like you, well, we had

503
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: a relationship. So it was interesting because her and I

504
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: had had a conversation about what trafficking looked like in

505
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: the city, Like if you a lot girls are running

506
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: away like crazy in the city, and it can be.

507
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: In this situation, it was literally because of a pair

508
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: of shoes. She wanted a pair of shoes and her

509
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: mom wouldn't buy it for her, and there was just

510
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot of tension at their house, and so she

511
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: ended up running away. And her and I had a

512
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: conversation at the church a few weeks before that about

513
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: what trafficking looked like. I did a trafficking presentation for

514
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: Team Girls, and we talked about online stuff. We talked

515
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: about being approached with these great gifts and these great

516
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: opportunities that weren't true, and so we literally her and

517
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: I had a private personal conversation for like three minutes.

518
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: It was really short, but I was like, hey, I

519
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: just always want you to remember the things that we

520
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: talked about in here, Like things aren't what they look

521
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: like when you're on the street, and so like if

522
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: you decide to leave your school or leave your house,

523
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: just remember the things we talked about, like people offering

524
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: you money for things, offering you purses and shoes, And

525
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: she remembered that, and so she said she ended up

526
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: going to a friend's house and we ended up getting

527
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: her to go back home. But she had encountered all

528
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: of those situations, and so she's like, I had encountered

529
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: a guy asking telling me he could buy me all

530
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: of these great things.

531
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: Deb we got a back up.

532
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

533
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 2: Well, people listening to this, they hear vacation Babbo school,

534
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: and clearly you're a Christian and faithful because you have

535
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: evoked you felt called to do things. When I hear

536
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: church in vacation Babbo school, I don't think classes on trafficking.

537
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that doesn't.

538
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I imagine a bunch of people making doing arts and

539
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: crafts and singing Jesus Lovesman. I don't imagine having conversation

540
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: with fourteen or fifteen year old girls about human trafficking,

541
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: about prostitution. Give me a sense of what this church looks.

542
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not envisioning a a white steep church

543
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: off in the sound of Music Hills. This must be

544
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: a different church situation.

545
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: So it's in a very poverty stricken zip code. A

546
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of the houses aren't shouldn't be lived in, but

547
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: they are that kind of environment.

548
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: And low socio yep.

549
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Very low, and kids skipping school, kids not going to school,

550
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: kids fighting at school if they did go to school.

551
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: How you getting these people and do a church?

552
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: You just well, we just went around the neighborhood and

553
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: asked people to come to church. Really yeah, yeah, you

554
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: just you got to be in the neighborhood. You got

555
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: to be in the community to just build that relationship

556
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: for people to trust you. And that's what we did.

557
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: And then they would bring people in and people just

558
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: keeping like we had a really strong vacation Bible school

559
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: program and Sundays we didn't have as many kids, but

560
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: it really was because of us going into the community

561
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: and just building that trust.

562
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: So you got out of law enforcement because you feared

563
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: for your safety, not really for your own but for

564
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: your families. But then you decide, okay, well I'm not

565
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: going to have the backing of the police at keV

566
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: Larvest and a gun, but A'm I going to the

567
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: same neighborhood and knock on doors. Yeah.

568
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: I know when you say it like that, Bill, it

569
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: doesn't sound all that just saying youat what you're no. Yeah,

570
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: But honestly, I get asked all the time, like are

571
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: you scared.

572
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't feel scared.

573
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: I get that. I never felt scared of classes.

574
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't feel like that. I don't.

575
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: And honestly, I think a part, a huge part of

576
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: it is just the genuine, authentic love that we show

577
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: people like it is just authentic and we're not perfect,

578
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: we don't have it all figured out, but we really

579
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: love people.

580
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Well, we'll be right back. So what possessed you to

581
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: care enough about the kids in this impoverished neighborhood and

582
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: getting them into anything that to be part of positive

583
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: that you wanted to go knock around on doors in

584
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: the hood.

585
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: I think part of I.

586
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: Say the hood, but I'm picturing the hood.

587
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, it is. I think part of it

588
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: is realizing that I had privilege growing up. I had

589
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that and most of my all of my friends on

590
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: my street did not have that.

591
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: Hold it you had privilege? Oh yeah, going to the

592
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: daughter of a bus driver and a J. C. Penny's person,

593
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: living in an apartment in an inner city Detroit doesn't

594
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: sound overly privilege.

595
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: No, but going to Lutheran school instead of Detroit public

596
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: schools was a huge privilege, a huge privilege, Like I

597
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: can remember my neighbors.

598
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: But your parents didn't afford you.

599
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Right exactly. I can remember my neighborhood friends coming home

600
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: with like one kid had a black eye because he'd

601
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: gotten into somebody hit him at school. I mean this

602
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: is in the eighties, right, and I just remember going, Wow,

603
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't have those experiences where I'm at. And I

604
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: did go to a very diverse school, so I really

605
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: learned a lot about different cultures, and I loved that.

606
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I loved being a part of the culture we had

607
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: at my school. At the African American culture was so

608
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: strong and so good, and that's what I wanted to

609
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: be a part of. And that's the kind of community

610
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: I grew up in.

611
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: So the girl that disappeared, that the grandmother who knows everything,

612
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: which I know, the grandmothers you're talking about. You also

613
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: have to answer to those grandmothers.

614
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: You absolutely do. Just be right, You best be right,

615
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and you best.

616
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: Answer for help. But they'll also call you and tell

617
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: you when you're messing up.

618
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: They for sure will. And if you don't answer their

619
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: phone call, they will call you back five more times

620
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: and like too many, or just show up or just

621
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: show up.

622
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: I know those yep, I know you do.

623
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: I do too.

624
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: So you got this girl to go home?

625
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Yep, we got this girl to go.

626
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: But when that happened, it triggered something, inn't you.

627
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: It did because she said to me, could you have

628
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: a place where Could there be a place where I

629
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: could just go so I could like calm down after

630
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: a fight with my parents or a place to go

631
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: where I could just sit and figure out how I

632
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: was feeling. And I was like, well, I could think

633
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: about that. I don't know what that would look like.

634
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: And so originally, when I was praying about it and

635
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: figuring out what God wanted me to do, I was like,

636
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: maybe we would just have like a drop in center

637
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: for teen girls after high school. That's how my thoughts

638
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: process started. Like it would be a place for girls

639
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: to go after high school, after school was done, they

640
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: could calm, they could hang out, get a meal, and

641
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: just talk through stuff that happened through the day, talk

642
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: through stuff going on at their house, and then we

643
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: would try to come through figure out problem solving. That's

644
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: originally how it started, and then it grew into helping

645
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: adult women.

646
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: So why do you care?

647
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: I just I just think that everybody has value I

648
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: really do. I and the people we work with aren't

649
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: seen as having value, they're not seen as having worth.

650
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I think sometimes that's probably why people don't get involved

651
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: with us, because it's a very hard demographic to work with.

652
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: And so that's like, those are the people that are

653
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I think are overlooked the most that I want to

654
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: be able to go, Hey, you do have value, you

655
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: do have worth, and we want to show you what

656
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: that looks like.

657
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: So tell us who it is you work with.

658
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: So we work with women who.

659
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: Are women's an interesting word.

660
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: Women and men. To be honest, we work with women.

661
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: I mean some of them aren't legally women.

662
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're right, and so women, men, We work

663
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: with transgender, any of that population, anyone who's struggling with homelessness,

664
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: substance abuse, trafficking, force, prostitution, and we really do just

665
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: love them and meet them where they're at.

666
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: But what I mean is some of these ages are

667
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen.

668
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: So we work with so all of our clients are

669
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: typically eighteen and older.

670
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: Got it, Yeah, but you see.

671
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: We have seen yes, younger for sure.

672
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about what you do to work with

673
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: them in a minute. But what does a I'm picking one.

674
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: This is my fictitious world, okay, but you can put

675
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: reality on top of this vision that I have of

676
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: a twenty year old woman who is walking the streets

677
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: selling herself, probably has an addiction, probably has nowhere to

678
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: stay consistently with the roof over her head. Where does

679
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: that person come from, how does that happen? And what's

680
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: going on between their ears when you can actually talk

681
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: to them.

682
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so give us that person. So it could be

683
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: a wide range of who that person can be. That

684
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: one of those people could be from foster care who's

685
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: been through the system and aged out of the system

686
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: and has nowhere to go. We see that often. But

687
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: we also see the person from the suburbs that got

688
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: into a fight with their mom or dad and met

689
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: somebody online and it looked like a better situation, ended

690
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: up on the street, and then ended up addicted and

691
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: now can't leave. So we have that situation we have.

692
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I've heard stories from women saying, I watched my mom

693
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: do this, This was how she survived. This is how

694
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: she put food on the table for us and a

695
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: roof over our head, and so this is really what

696
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: we grew up seeing. It's generational and we've seen people

697
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: who have just come right from addiction and then just

698
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: to feed their addiction, just continue to be out there.

699
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: So I can remember when I was a kid, we

700
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: used to play Chips, all right, Remember the remember the

701
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: TV show Chips, Yes, yea with John Poncerello and the

702
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 2: other guy Jean. Yeah, but anyway, it was a hispanic

703
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: dude and a very white guy and they ride their

704
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: motorcycles around. Well, we would ride our bicycles around and

705
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: act like the Chips people. And of course I was

706
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: always the really white dude because he had blond hair

707
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: and was light skinned and I look like I look.

708
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: And I had a friend named David Leon who obviously

709
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: with the name David Leon was John Poncerello or whatever

710
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: his name was. Anyway, we just love to write, I mean,

711
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: and when I was growing up, always thought, how cool

712
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: would it be to be a motorcycle police? Yeah? You know,

713
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: do you remember that time in your life what you

714
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: dreamed of being? What you wanted to be? Do you

715
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: remember that? What was it?

716
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: It was not law enforcement.

717
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: But what was it? You wanted to be a veterinarian? Yeah,

718
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: what'd you want to be? Alex a sports broadcaster. You

719
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: wanted to be a sports broadcaster. So, I mean, everybody

720
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: who's listening to us, I wish they'd go back to

721
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: that six to seven eight year old You know, what'd

722
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: you want to be when you grow up?

723
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

724
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: I bet nobody says a hooker.

725
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Nope. Not one person I've ever talked to on the

726
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: street says I love my job, I love what I do,

727
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: and I want to be here.

728
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so that's the thing is nobody says I

729
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: want to grow up be a hooker. No one says

730
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: I want to grow up and live on the streets

731
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: and use my body. And it's just so devastating because

732
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: our country is full of these streets. In Detroit where

733
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: you happen to work, you see it every day. And

734
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: I'm trying so hard to get the sense of what

735
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: drives a human being to live in filth and to

736
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: sell themselves and to put themselves in that abuse when

737
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: that's not what anybody ever wants to be. And you

738
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: say foster care and they get turned out and they

739
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: have nowhere to go. I mean that's heartbreaking because we're

740
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: talking about a foster kid who has already been crapped

741
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: on their whole life, so they're almost systematically falling into

742
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: a crack. And then you know, you talk about I mean,

743
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: what is it the family business? A second generation thing,

744
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: and I want to strangle the mother who even painted

745
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: a picture of a life for a child to grow

746
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: up like that. But more than likely that mother came

747
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: from an incredible amount of traumen dysfunction that even led

748
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: to that in the first place. So that's more devastation

749
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: obviously addiction, And to think of a young lady who

750
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: is probably going through high school or whatever, gets caught

751
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: up in a crowd, which I hate every At some

752
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: point everybody says they're hanging around with the wrong crowd.

753
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: At some point, somebody is the crowd and they're not

754
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: hanging around with themselves. So the hanging around with the

755
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: wrong crowd is kind of a weird thing because you

756
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: kind of are that crowd, so you're hanging around with

757
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 2: the wrong person, which.

758
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: You're hanging around for yourself, the wrong person exactly.

759
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: So I hate that whole thing. But the addiction then

760
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: leading to, you know, a place where the only way

761
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: you know how to feed your addiction is to fall

762
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: into this lifestyle. And then a kid from the Burbs.

763
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: For goodness sakes, who meets somebody online and ends up

764
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: in this world? But all of it is just so devastating,

765
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: It really is, and dev I just can't imagine waking

766
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: up one day and saying I want to go be

767
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: around these people every day.

768
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Why I honestly, I just think it is how I'm

769
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: wired to love and serve people that are always overlooked.

770
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: Honestly I do.

771
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: I often say that it's important that a discipline and

772
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: passion meet opportunity if you're ever going to do anything

773
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: in this world. And I talk about an army of

774
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: normal folks serving as a catalyst for people to find

775
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: their passion and their discipline and then listen long enough

776
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: to meet an opportunity where they can employ it and

777
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: get involved.

778
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

779
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: And it's just interesting to me that your passion and

780
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: your discipline are people, and your discipline was a law

781
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: enforcement person, and it comes from kind of how you

782
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: came up and then you see an opportunity where most

783
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: people look the other way. It's pretty cool.

784
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.

785
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 2: So let's Jay think about his wife hanging out over here.

786
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: So it took him a minute to get used to it.

787
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: The idea. But as years have gone on, he's gone

788
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: out with us, so he sees he knows all the

789
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: people I talk about, and he can see how like

790
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: the relationships are so great between between all the people

791
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 1: out there. So I think he's in a good place

792
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: about it. What he doesn't love the idea because my

793
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: dream is that I would move to that area. So

794
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: I would love for me and him to buy a

795
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: house in our outreach area and live there. And that's

796
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: he's not on board with.

797
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: That yet yet is the operative word.

798
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's got to come eventually, I know.

799
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: So I've read that somewhere, maybe in my notes, or

800
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: maybe Alex provided it, or maybe was even in the

801
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 2: email that you reached out to me with, which was awesome,

802
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: that you were actually losing your own home.

803
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: We were, Yeah, why so.

804
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Four children, that's scary.

805
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: It was very scary. My husband lost his job. This

806
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: is when two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine

807
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: housing crisis.

808
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a carpentry probably wouln't get much of it.

809
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not having much work, and so we

810
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: ended up losing our house.

811
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: You did lose it, We don't. I thought it was maybe.

812
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: No, we did, and the foreclosed on. Yep, we got

813
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: four closed on.

814
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: Did you own it? We did, and the bank got

815
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: it yep. And you have four children, yep. Were you

816
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: not freaked out?

817
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, a little bit. And then we found a

818
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: house to rent. So we rented a house on a

819
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: mile road that was about four miles from the city.

820
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: Didn't screw up your credit? Oh yeah, whole life?

821
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but now we have a house bill. So

822
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: that's good.

823
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: We bought house and no, I know that's great, but

824
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: the point is that and sods with when you decided

825
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: to get on the street and help.

826
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: People, Yeah, how does that work?

827
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: Well?

828
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: So, when we lived in this house on a mile road,

829
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: like four miles from the city, Across the street from

830
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: our house was a liquor store and a bus stop

831
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: and so we were homeschooling the kids at the time,

832
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, what could we be doing in

833
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: this community? Like, we just have to do something because

834
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: we're here. I don't know how long we're going to

835
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: be here for, but we might as well embrace the

836
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: fact that we're here and utilize this time wisely. So

837
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: we started giving. It was the winter time, so we

838
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: would provide hot chocolate to the people at the bus stop.

839
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: How can you provide hot chocolate for me a bus

840
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: stop when he can't even pay your bills.

841
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.

842
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Well you keep saying no, I don't know.

843
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't know how we did it,

844
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: but we did. And my husband would get like pick

845
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: up little odd jobs here and there, so like he

846
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: can make anything.

847
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: He was not looking at you say and quit spending

848
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: money on hot chocolate. We can't pay our bills.

849
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he was thinking that, but he didn't verbalize that.

850
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, the reason I'm asking this is not to

851
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: take you through a clearly traumatic time in your life.

852
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 2: But everybody's all what not everybody? Oftentimes people are always saying,

853
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: I really want to help, but now's not the time.

854
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: I really want to do something my community, but I

855
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 2: need to get this taken care of first. You're out

856
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: there in the community, losing your home, raising money for

857
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: other people when you can't even pay your own bills.

858
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: That is correct, that's phenomenal. Yeah, we'll be right back.

859
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: I just remember God telling me you need to do

860
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: something in the city, and you need to find the

861
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: house to do that in, And I just remember going,

862
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't even have my own house right like, we're

863
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: renting a house and we are literally living week to

864
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: week right now, paycheck to paycheck. And I remember telling

865
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: my husband one day when we were in the car

866
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: driving together, because timing is everything when you talk to

867
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: your husband about some big plan you.

868
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Have right now, I'm saying, everything we talked to your wife.

869
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true.

870
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: Trust me.

871
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and I don't know why I

872
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: picked this time, but I don't even remember where we

873
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: were going, but I remember going, I've been praying and

874
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: asking God to show us what we're supposed to do.

875
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: And so my husband was like, I don't know if

876
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: you if you get someone to donate a house to you,

877
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: I guess we can make that happen. But otherwise I

878
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: don't know what you're thinking. And I was like, I

879
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: don't know either. I don't know how it's going to happen,

880
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: but I'm just going to keep figuring it out.

881
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: So and somebody donated a house.

882
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: And somebody donated a house, yeah.

883
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: Which sets in play this dream that from a conversation

884
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: from the first fifteen year old that said, to you,

885
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: if I just had somewhere to go, yeah, and you

886
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: don't even have your own house, but you get a

887
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: house donated for the people who have nowhere to.

888
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: Go, right. That's crazy, I know, I know.

889
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: So tell me what a days back in those times?

890
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 2: What does go out? You've said a couple of times,

891
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: and we need to let the listeners know what we're

892
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: talking about. You said go out? What does go out mean?

893
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? So when we first started, we took our personal

894
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: car and went to an area that was I knew

895
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: really well, near where I grew up. So it's like,

896
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: I know this area, I'm just going to go look

897
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: for people who might need food or might need you.

898
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: Literally just went out looking for me.

899
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: Literally, we went in our car, my husband and I

900
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: just me and him. And then that kind of grew

901
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: from printing missing girl flyers. So there was lots of

902
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: girls missing from the city of Detroit, and so I

903
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: printed flyers and then we would go into gas stations,

904
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: tattoo parlors, all the places, go hey, have you seen

905
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: these girls? Any of them look familiar? And if anybody

906
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: thought they did, we would call in a tip that

907
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And then I ran into We ended

908
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: up on this one street, Harper, and I was talking

909
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: to an off duty police officer who was working security

910
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: at this hotel. I was like, hey, I'm really like

911
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: I want to find women that we can really love

912
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: on and serve. And he was like, well, you hit

913
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: the jackpot. This is it right here. And I was

914
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: like this whole strip right here and he was like yeah.

915
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: And so then that's where we ended up. And we

916
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: would literally just ask people do you need food? Do

917
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: you need hygiene? Do you need food? Do you need hygiene?

918
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: And for like six months, people would flip us off.

919
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: I was called FBI. Someone thought I was an FBI agent.

920
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: At one point I was called the police, I mean

921
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: all the things for like six months until the one

922
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: person in the neighborhood who was kind of like the

923
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: ring leader of the neighborhood finally was like, I'll take

924
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: food from you. And when that happened, everybody started.

925
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: It took six months to get so, yeah, did you

926
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: take a free sandwich?

927
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

928
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they trusted so little. Yep, are you walking

929
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: up to girls they're just on a corner?

930
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Literally, and we're in a van, but yeah, we

931
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: literally walk up to girls that are on the corner.

932
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: And now we go to drug houses because we know

933
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: where those are, so we do both sake.

934
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: I just I'm trying to figure out you did you

935
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: have your gut up in your I'm putting myself in

936
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: your shoes.

937
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

938
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: If I'm walking up to a corner with one or

939
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: two or three girls or whatever, and I may be

940
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: sensationalize this, So if what I'm painting is inaccurate, correct me.

941
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: But walk up to a street person, a girl, I

942
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: assume halfway scantily cloud but maybe just trying to corner

943
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: attention from a john on a corner, and I'm walking

944
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: out to say, Hey, I'm dub you want a sandwich?

945
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Yep?

946
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean were you a little nervous the first.

947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was definitely nervous the first

948
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: time I asked, And then it did get easier each

949
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: time I'd ask, Hey, are you hungry? Is usually what

950
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: I say, Hey are you hungry? Because that's a simple question,

951
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: and usually you're hungry, So they're like, yeah, I'm like, oh,

952
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I have a sandwich. They either say yes or they

953
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: say no. At the beginning, it was no, I don't

954
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: want nothing from you, and then just as time went on,

955
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: it changed people's people changed.

956
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: When you say, hygiene, what does that mean?

957
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: So it would be we have like a bag full

958
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: of different items and they're and they're all different. But

959
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: sometimes they have like a toothbrush, toothpaste, bar, soap, shampoo,

960
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: travel sized shampoo conditioner, just your basic needs. Sometimes they'll

961
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: have wipes in them, just kind of depends on who makes.

962
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: Them, just so that they can clean up.

963
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's no like typically no running water, there's

964
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: no where.

965
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: Do these schools typically stay.

966
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: In abandoned houses?

967
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: Are they pimped?

968
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Some of them are pimped, and some of them are

969
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: working for food and a place to stay. So if

970
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: you stay at an abandoned house, sometimes the abandoned house

971
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: is owned by a drug dealer, owned or just squatted on,

972
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: squatted on, I guess is a better way to say it.

973
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: And so you have to pay for your space in

974
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: that room, so you might have to. Yeah, yep, that

975
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: is disgusting. It is absolutely disgusting.

976
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: Why aren't we locking up these squatting homeowner people?

977
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: I think because the city is just too overwhelmed and

978
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: too busy to even worry about something like this.

979
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: Once again, the forgotten people. Right, So, how's a typical

980
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: transaction or yeah.

981
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: So typically we pull up and usually now people wave

982
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 1: us down. Somebody referred to us as like the ice

983
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: cream truck when they see our big white van, where

984
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: like we pull up in the neighborhood and people just

985
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: come out. We beat the horn at drug houses, so

986
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: we'll pull up, beat the horn, people will come out

987
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: and then we give them food, We give them hygiene

988
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: from the window. If they need clothes that I'll get

989
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: out of the van, go to the back of the van.

990
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: They can pick up clothes. They can always pick out

991
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: things that they want, so you can pick two shirts

992
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: and two pairs of pants. We'll give you socks, gloves

993
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: in the winter, hat, that kind of things. So yeah,

994
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: most of it happens from the window, but a lot

995
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: of times if they need clothes, So I try to

996
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: do clothes for every woman that we meet at least

997
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: once a week. So we just kind of remember, like, hey,

998
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: I gave you clothes last week, so we're not going

999
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: to do it today, We'll do it next week.

1000
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: I gotta believe you're talking to them, You're using the

1001
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: opportunity to have conversations with them about important stuff. Oh yeah,

1002
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: we're talking long for the house or any that I'm

1003
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: just talking to people on the street that you're just

1004
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: trying to build a relationship with. Yeah, pretend like I'm

1005
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: one of them. What are you going to say to me?

1006
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah? I always tell them like, do you know how

1007
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: value and worthy you are?

1008
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1009
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: Do you know that your value is much more than

1010
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: this moment right here on the street and this house

1011
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: and this environment? Do you know your value is more

1012
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: than that?

1013
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: And a lot of times, but I don't believe you

1014
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: because I've been devalued my entire life.

1015
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: But now I feel like, because we have such the relationship,

1016
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: they actually believe it when it comes from me.

1017
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: But I don't. I've grown up abused, I've grown up beaten,

1018
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: I've grown up second class. I'm out here selling myself.

1019
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: Even in the most desperate times. When I do look

1020
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: at myself in the mirror, I know what I see,

1021
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: and what I see lacks value. And I appreciate you

1022
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: showing up in the van and give me a sandwich

1023
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: or some clothes, But you don't know what you're talking about.

1024
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: So maybe one day you will see how you're valued

1025
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: and worthy. And because we show up consistently and love

1026
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what, you can come up to

1027
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: our van, and you can have a crack pipe in

1028
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: your hand, you can come up with a needle in

1029
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: your arm. We are going to still accept you just

1030
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: how you are, and eventually that will sink in. And

1031
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: a lot of women have said you are the only

1032
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: unconditional lover or relationship we experience. Like we get to

1033
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: come and there's no strings attached, you don't. You can

1034
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: come up to our van and if you decide you're

1035
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: you're pissed off at us today. You don't want to

1036
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: take a lunch, that's fine, that's your choice. You don't

1037
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: have to come talk to us. You don't have to

1038
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: take anything from us, because you get a choice today here.

1039
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: And eventually that will sit in.

1040
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: When when you're handing a sandwich or you're handing clothes

1041
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 2: out a window, you know that within the next few

1042
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: hours in that woman's life, she's going to be creating

1043
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: a second sacked for twenty.

1044
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: Or thirty bucksp about twenty about twenty boucks twenty Yeah,

1045
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: for sex?

1046
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: How do you? I don't know how you deal with that.

1047
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: It's hard. I mean there's a lot of days when

1048
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: I come home and my heart is just broke and

1049
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: I cry because they don't see their value and worth yet.

1050
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: And so for me, I just I want to consistently

1051
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: tell them that, Like I'm always telling them that, whether

1052
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: they believe it or not, at least it's planning the

1053
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: seed to know how loved and valued they are. And

1054
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: the true fact is a lot of the women I

1055
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: mean will not survive the streets. I mean, this year,

1056
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: we've lost seven girls to various overdoses. A couple of

1057
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: girls were hit by a car, some girls were shot shot,

1058
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: drug deal gone bad? What about right all the time?

1059
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: What does that mean all the time?

1060
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: They don't? Then they all the time. So there's this

1061
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: there's this idea in our culture right now that well,

1062
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: if we legalize prostitution, it'll eliminate all of these harmful

1063
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: things that happen to women. Women do not get to

1064
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: pick and choose a lot what kind of sex act

1065
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: they want to perform in the car. They don't get

1066
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: in a car where usually most of the dates, that's

1067
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: what they call them dates happen. They don't get to

1068
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: go this is what I want to do, and that's it.

1069
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: They're told what they have to do. They're forced to

1070
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: do what they have to do whether they want to

1071
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: do it or not. Women are always telling me how

1072
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: they were raped and forced to do something they didn't

1073
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: want to do, and I always ask them, do you

1074
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: want to file a police report? I will go with you.

1075
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: Do you have a plate? Do you have a car?

1076
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Deciding always know it's always no. And so when we

1077
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: do see cars and dates taking place with women getting in,

1078
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: we take plates down, we take car descriptions because of that,

1079
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: if that woman ever comes back to me and go,

1080
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: that guy in that car, that type of car did

1081
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: this to me and I didn't want to, Well, now

1082
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: I at least have a plate.

1083
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: Or if that girl never shows up again, or.

1084
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: The girl never shows up again, because that happens too.

1085
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: Absolutely, do they found bodies?

1086
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?

1087
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: Did they investigate it?

1088
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: They do? Really yeah. I think they do the best

1089
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: that they can do with the amount of resources and

1090
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: time they have.

1091
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 2: And probably a real lack of information. Nobody's talking to

1092
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: the police.

1093
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: No one's talking to the police, no one.

1094
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: All right, this thing does get redemptive. But I wanted

1095
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: to have this part of the conversation for people to

1096
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: fully grasp how desperate and sick and how really this

1097
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 2: is the darkest of our culture. It really doesn't get

1098
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: much darker. We're talking about rape, we're talking about abuse,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about drug abuse. We're talking about living in

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01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: a place without running water so that you can have

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: your dates or turn your tricks or whatever inside this place,

1102
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: and all doing it for twenty bucks yep, and getting beaten.

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01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: On right regularly, regularly.

1104
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. So you decided one day to

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01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: go serve in really the darkest of the dark. And

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01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: how long are you doing this work? Serving these girls

1107
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: by just trying to feed them, clothe them, give them

1108
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: basic toil tries, but most importantly, trying to convince them

1109
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: of their personal value and worth. How long do you

1110
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: How long are you engaged in just that without a house?

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? About three years?

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: Okay. So word starts to get around about the ice

1113
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: cream truck lady, who's crazy.

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what they say. If it comes that

1115
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: white lady, that's crazy.

1116
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: That white lady's crazy, that gives everybody white ladies here,

1117
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: white ladies here with the ice cream truck. And so

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01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: someone I guess hears about you and says, yeah, I

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01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 2: want to give a house.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I get a phone call on a Saturday

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01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: morning from a woman who didn't know me, but knew

1122
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: a group of women who knew me from my church.

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: And she set her word first words out of our mouth.

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: This will be the strangest conversation you've ever I have

1125
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: strangest phone call you've ever received. And I go, okay, what.

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: Three years you've spoke?

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01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, I know it amen to that. So I

1128
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: was like okay. She goes, I was praying this morning

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01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: and God said that we're supposed to give this house

1130
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: to you. I'm like, what house? And she said, well,

1131
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: my husband inherited a house from his cousin in Detroit,

1132
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: and we heard you were looking for a house in Detroit.

1133
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: Do you think you would be interested? And I was

1134
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: like I was ready to say yes right then. I

1135
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I want the house. And she's like,

1136
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: maybe you should come look at it first. So it's like, oh, yeah,

1137
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. I should take our board and

1138
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: we should go look at it and see. So we

1139
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: went and looked at it and it was great. It

1140
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: was structurally a very very sound house. It just needed

1141
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: some rehabbing inside. So we accepted it and then we

1142
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: we did renovations to it. And yeah, you have to

1143
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: be married. I happened to be married to a carpenter,

1144
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: so that's very helpful. And yeah, so then we opened

1145
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: it up and I was actually was like, maybe we

1146
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: won't open it right away. I want to make sure

1147
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: we have all of our ducks in a row. I

1148
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: want to have all our paperwork set. And then as

1149
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: soon as it was done being renovated, people were calling like, hey,

1150
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: do you have availability for a bed space for a

1151
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: woman who's been on the streets. And I was like, well,

1152
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: I guess we're doing this right now because there was

1153
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: just such a need.

1154
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: Did you have your own house at this point.

1155
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: No, we were renting, so we had moved from the

1156
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: place we were renting. Now we were in a different suburb,

1157
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: but we were still renting.

1158
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: It's so amazing to me that your organization is going

1159
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: to own a house to take care of people and

1160
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: you still don't even have your own. Yeah. I don't

1161
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: know much about your kids and your husband, but they

1162
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: have to be special people.

1163
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: They really are.

1164
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: They really are to allow you this.

1165
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: Yep, yes they are. My husband is a saint. Yeah,

1166
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: my husband's a saint for just allowing the things to

1167
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: happen to happen the way they did. Your children too, Yeah,

1168
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: and for this they did give up their mom and

1169
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: they've all gone on outreach with me. So they've all

1170
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: experienced it, and I think that those opportunities of being

1171
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: on the street really helped them understand why I do

1172
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: what I do. It really gave them that experience.

1173
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: So when did we call this house Ellie's House?

1174
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: So in twenty seventeen is when it became Ellie's House

1175
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: because Ellie means God's Light and then it's part of

1176
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: our last name, so.

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01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: Which is also interesting that it just happened. So now

1178
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: you have this house and people are calling, but you

1179
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: can't just swing the doors open to everybody. There has

1180
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: to be rules, there has to be something, yeah, so

1181
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: and then there has to be now a greater purpose.

1182
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: We're not just giving out sandwiches and.

1183
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: Clothes, right, yeah.

1184
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: So take us through the evolution of it to that point.

1185
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we actually went to a training here in

1186
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee for a place called Thistle Farms. So we went

1187
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: and did their training because we want to model their program.

1188
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: It was an amazing program and so they're so generous.

1189
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: They give you all their paperwork. They don't make like

1190
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: this share all their paperwork with you. So you just go, hey,

1191
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: if this is what we're going to do, we just

1192
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: got to make this work for us and adapt it

1193
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: for our program. We followed exactly what they did to

1194
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: adapt a program, and then we just Our first resident

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01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: that we took in was someone that we have been

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01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: talking to on the streets and she went to Florida

1197
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: to do a program in Florida. And while she was

1198
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: in Florida, she kept in touch with us, and she

1199
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: was coming back and she said, could I come and

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01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: do your program? And so she did, and so she

1201
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: was our first resident in our house and it was

1202
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: really it was really cool to watch her grow.

1203
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

1204
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: So she came and she, oh, gosh, we love her.

1205
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: And she worked our program really hard for about four

1206
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: months and then things just got hard. And relapse is

1207
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: part of the process, honestly. It is just what happens

1208
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: multiple times until you're completely ready to be able to

1209
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: stand up to the addiction and not do it anymore.

1210
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: And so she did four or five months with us

1211
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: and then relapsed. And so she's actually still on the

1212
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: streets now, but we see her very all the time.

1213
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: What's the rules?

1214
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: So no, no drugs, no sex, no alcohol. You cannot

1215
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: just come and go as you please. So there's you

1216
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: have to be accountable to me and where you go.

1217
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: You have to be in therapy. So we find you

1218
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: a counselor, we find you mental health therapist. We want

1219
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: to help you find a job and do all of

1220
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: those things, but we want to make sure that you're

1221
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: successfully progressing through a therapy program with somebody. So honestly,

1222
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: for the first three, three to six months you're with us,

1223
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: you are just doing your appointments. You're just doing your

1224
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: treatment appointments. You're just doing therapy appointments, and that's it.

1225
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: And getting used to living in a house.

1226
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: You take them straight off the streets.

1227
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: No, so you have to work a.

1228
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: Program, You have to be dealing with all kinds of stuns.

1229
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're yeah, you'd have to be working with detox.

1230
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: We don't do any of those things. So a lot

1231
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: of times we work closely with Salvation Army and so

1232
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: we'll take a woman from the street to go there.

1233
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: They help with the detox process, they work a program

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01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: there and then they can come to us.

1235
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: How long is that take? Thirty days, so.

1236
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: Their program is six months, but we have we have

1237
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: taken women from different programs that have been thirty days.

1238
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: But they're at least clean at the yes.

1239
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're not we're not equipped to help somebody

1240
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: become clean.

1241
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: No, I'll get it. Yeah, but then they move into

1242
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: your home. Now, how long can they stay with you?

1243
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: Up to two years?

1244
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: Two years? Rent free, went free but no drug, no alcohol,

1245
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: no sucks. What are they doing for that? Two years?

1246
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: Lots of things. So right now, our residents that we

1247
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: have all have full time jobs. So the goal is

1248
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: you get them jobs. They get them themselves. I mean,

1249
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: they do the work to find them. We try to

1250
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: figure out. We try to help them navigate what they're

1251
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: passionate about. We want to know what you want to do,

1252
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: like we we want you to find a job that's

1253
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: going to help sustain you right and be successful, but

1254
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: that you enjoy too. Sometimes we've had residents that can't

1255
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: work a job, so they we help them get disability

1256
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: SSI those types of things. The trauma has just been

1257
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: too much and the addiction has just been too hard

1258
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: on their body emotionally and physically.

1259
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: They literally just can't.

1260
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: They literally just can't. Yeah, and that's sad. It's yeah,

1261
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: it's really sad. Were born No, No, absolutely not.

1262
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: So when one of these girls goes for an interview,

1263
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 2: they don't have much of a resume. How does that work?

1264
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we try to help them navigate what an

1265
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: interview process would look like, and just to be honest

1266
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: about what's gone on in their life. Right. And actually

1267
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of places that we have our women have

1268
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,520
Speaker 1: worked at don't don't care if you have a misdemeanor

1269
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: charge or even some felony charges. They are willing to

1270
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: overlook because they want to help somebody, or they're just

1271
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: in a position where they need help.

1272
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: And so do they know people from Eli's.

1273
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: House currently, the people that are working in their own

1274
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: jobs do not know. So we really try to have

1275
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: them find their jobs themselves. We will help you with

1276
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: a resume, We will show you how to look for

1277
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: a job. A lot of the women we work with

1278
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: have had to learn how to use a computer and

1279
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: how to find a job. They don't know any of

1280
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: those skills. And then we help you navigate that so

1281
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: you can get a job, but we want you to

1282
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: get it on your own if possible. And so far,

1283
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: our residents have been able to do that.

1284
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 2: And when they're in the house, I mean, what kind

1285
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 2: of social interaction do they have?

1286
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they'll have a roommate, there's two women in

1287
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: each house. And then they're required to go to NA

1288
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: or AA meetings every day, and sometimes they'll go to

1289
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: more than one a day, so they have to be

1290
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 1: at a meeting every day, which allows them to build community.

1291
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: They also attend church, which builds community, and they go

1292
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:01,879
Speaker 1: to Bible studies.

1293
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: You said, AA, what is it like to sit in

1294
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 2: on one of those Oh? Yeah, with everything, I understand

1295
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: what A looks like in my world, which is friends

1296
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: of mine who have mostly alcohol and they go and

1297
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: they sit around a lot of them are business people

1298
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 2: and whatever, and they talk about how hard they're But

1299
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: an AA meeting with these girls has to be a

1300
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: whole other level.

1301
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've only been able to go to and

1302
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: I actually was an NA meeting. Most of the meetings

1303
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: are closed, so unless you are a willing participant looking

1304
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: for recovery, you can't attend a meeting. But I was

1305
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: able to attend a meeting with our first resident. It

1306
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: was NA meetings, and it is it's very humbling to

1307
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: go and sit in a room and listen to people

1308
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: share their stories, or even watch people not share their story,

1309
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: but listen to other people's story in the midst of

1310
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: their own trauma, on their own addiction. It's very humbling.

1311
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Do you find it's is it almost always the addiction

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Speaker 2: that leads to it.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I have found that some people end up on the

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Speaker 1: streets and then have their addiction to help them survive

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Speaker 1: being on the streets. So some people are struggling with

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Speaker 1: addiction prior to being out there, And then there's a

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Speaker 1: whole other group of people that, in order to survive

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Speaker 1: being out there, they're now struggling with the effectication.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which then leads to a whole other issues

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Speaker 2: with the addiction. Right, how many of the women that

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Speaker 2: you serve also have abuse in their background prior to

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Speaker 2: being on the streets, All of.

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Speaker 1: Them, all of them, whether it's sexual or physical. I

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Speaker 1: have not found one woman that has said to me

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Speaker 1: I was not abuse used at some point in my life.

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Speaker 1: Every one of them, every one of them has had

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Speaker 1: some type of physical or sexual abuse. Now they all

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Speaker 1: struggle with addiction, and they all struggle with a mental

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Speaker 1: health disorder.

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Speaker 2: I one of at least in my fundamental tenets of

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Speaker 2: raising children has always been my responsibility, which is regardless

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Speaker 2: of what I say, or what we do, or how

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Speaker 2: we illustrate what a good marriage looks like. My sons

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Speaker 2: will always treat their wives the way they see me

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Speaker 2: treat mine, and my daughters, maybe even more importantly, will

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Speaker 2: always expect to be treated the way they saw their

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Speaker 2: father treat their mother. If I'm respectful, honor her, protect her,

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Speaker 2: and love her, then that is what they're going to

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Speaker 2: expect exactly a husband. If they see me being abusive

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Speaker 2: just verbally, if they see me being physically abusive or

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Speaker 2: any of the other stuff, or they see me being

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Speaker 2: even you know, the silent treatment is a form of abuse. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And if they see that, then that will be normalized

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Speaker 2: in their relationships one day. And so the biggest job

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Speaker 2: for my daughters is just to show them what to

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Speaker 2: expect out of a man one day and what not

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Speaker 2: to accept out of a man one day. And I've

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Speaker 2: really failed a lot, but I have tried to make

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Speaker 2: sure that my daughter's expected and accepted only the best

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: in another and their partner one day. And it is

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Speaker 2: so interesting to hear you say all of the girls

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Speaker 2: that you've served have dealt with abuse, because that same

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Speaker 2: tenet that I'm talking about is at that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: that is. And so when you see abuse and then

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Speaker 2: you've been abused as a young girl, being on the

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Speaker 2: street and being abused, while it sucks, I gotta believe

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Speaker 2: they almost accept it is just the way life is.

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Speaker 1: They do. I mean, it's a great example of that

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Speaker 1: is when a girl tells me and I pull up

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Speaker 1: and I say, how is your day today? Which is

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Speaker 1: why I was raped earlier this morning, And I say,

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Speaker 1: do you want to go file a police report? And

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Speaker 1: oftentimes the response is no, like I deserved it or

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Speaker 1: I got like this is the life I lead out here.

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Speaker 1: So because of that this these things happen. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, you're trying to tell these folks that have

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Speaker 2: had a life of abuse that they're valued yep, that

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Speaker 2: they're loved, yeah, when they don't see themselves as lovable

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Speaker 2: or valuable exactly.

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Speaker 1: But you get them in the house, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we try to get them in the house, We try

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Speaker 1: to get them someplace a program.

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Speaker 2: But once in the house, yeah, do they start to

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Speaker 2: feel it and see it and believe it.

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Speaker 1: I think so I think our girls right now feel

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Speaker 1: it and see it and believe it, which is really

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Speaker 1: cool to watch that happen.

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Speaker 2: I wish people could see your face light up and

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Speaker 2: your big smile when you say that.

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Speaker 1: It's so cool to just watch a woman realize how

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Speaker 1: valuable she is, Like, that's just super cool. And then honestly,

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Speaker 1: part of the journey for us is when they don't

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Speaker 1: see it, to just keep trying to get them to

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Speaker 1: see it, like that's just part of the story. And

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Speaker 1: to even watch a little bit of a breakthrough of

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Speaker 1: seeing it on the street and you know, for a

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Speaker 1: woman to say, you know, thank you, I see that

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Speaker 1: for a second is just it's just gold. It's just gold.

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Speaker 2: So what does success look like for one of these girls?

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Speaker 2: For you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I get asked success story all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want a story.

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Speaker 2: I want to I will ask you that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I want to know what success looks like. What makes

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Speaker 2: you go to sleep at night and say we did

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Speaker 2: a good job there.

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Speaker 1: I honestly think it's the depth of conversation and the

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Speaker 1: depth of the relationship growing that is success to me,

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Speaker 1: because when I look at when we first went out

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Speaker 1: on the street, and how you know, people would flip

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Speaker 1: us off. And I had a lady kick my car once,

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Speaker 1: kick my van once, And like to that same woman

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Speaker 1: now who came up to our car and kicked it

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Speaker 1: as hard as she could with her foot, will now

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Speaker 1: say I love you when she leaves our car. Like,

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Speaker 1: that's a success story to me. Any interaction where a

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Speaker 1: woman is willing to share her vulnerable story with us

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01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: and share all of the vulnerable details of addiction and

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Speaker 1: what her day looks like, and what it looks like

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Speaker 1: to live in a drug house and what it looks

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Speaker 1: like to live in an abandoned house, Like that's a

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Speaker 1: privilege and that's a big win.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Well, folks, That concludes Part one of my conversation

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Speaker 2: with deb Ellinger, and Part two is now available. I

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