Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky, joky. I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, how I ghosted.
Speaker 3: By Ross Ends?
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Roz and you know, we have
Speaker 1: a great show today. So I'm going to try to
Speaker 1: speak quick in this intro because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: wonderful stories from our listeners. But basically, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to share that it is the two year anniversary of
Speaker 1: Ghosted this week, and I tried doing a little bit
Speaker 1: of math here. I believe we've done one hundred episodes.
Speaker 1: Around one hundred episodes. This is also the fifteenth listener episode,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to celebrate, and we're gonna do
Speaker 1: like a little live show situation this Saturday. So I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about that real quick, and then I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to make a speech, right, so I'll
Speaker 1: make a speech. But first, okay, so here's what the
Speaker 1: live show is. Make sure you're writing this down. I've
Speaker 1: told you a little bit about this app called Stereo,
Speaker 1: which is so fun. I've been going on it almost
Speaker 1: every single day. It's basically a live podcast that I
Speaker 1: do with another friend. I've been doing it with my
Speaker 1: friend Sam and Johnny and my producer Land and we
Speaker 1: talk about ghost stories and people send it to us
Speaker 1: and we can play their ghost stories live on the
Speaker 1: air and we talk about it. And it's just been
Speaker 1: so great to meet new people. And if you met
Speaker 1: me through stereo, hello, Welcome. This Saturday, we're going to
Speaker 1: do that. It is going to be the thirtieth of January,
Speaker 1: which is the official two year anniversary of this podcast.
Speaker 1: And yeah, It'll be at seven pm Pacific Standard time,
Speaker 1: and I'll be joined by my producer Land, and we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about our favorite moments of ghosted
Speaker 1: the past two years and hope that people will just
Speaker 1: send us in their ghost stories and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: it and we'll do at least an hour and I
Speaker 1: just think it'd be a really fun thing. And I
Speaker 1: would really like to introduce you guys to that app,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what your schedules are like, but
Speaker 1: I have a decent amount of free time and I've
Speaker 1: been going on there for at least an hour pretty
Speaker 1: much every single day, talking about ghosts with people in
Speaker 1: a fun like interactive way, and I have just been
Speaker 1: loving it. I'm an official verified content creator on there,
Speaker 1: and I just I hope you can check it out.
Speaker 1: I hope you'll be there so you can get that
Speaker 1: information in the description of this episode, and I'll add
Speaker 1: it's free. It's completely free, and it helps me a
Speaker 1: lot if you listen. So yeah, I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm trying not to be emotional, but
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so proud of what we've created here.
Speaker 1: That it's been two years, I don't know, that's a
Speaker 1: big deal to me. I am so honored that you
Speaker 1: guys tune in every week and that you have found me,
Speaker 1: and that we have built this community of like minded
Speaker 1: people that like to talk about this weird shit. And
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for all the people that have come
Speaker 1: on the show, both listeners and all the other guests.
Speaker 1: And of course, I mean, I couldn't do this without
Speaker 1: Starburn's audio and everyone there, Jessica, our engineer, James Jason,
Speaker 1: and of course Land, my producer, who if you've never
Speaker 1: met Land, you'll get to meet Land at that live
Speaker 1: show that we'll be doing on stereo. And yeah, Land
Speaker 1: and I have been working on this idea for over
Speaker 1: two years now, and I could not do it without
Speaker 1: Land and the people at Starburn's. And I also couldn't
Speaker 1: do it without you guys, Like truly, this is it's
Speaker 1: been really great for me, especially this past year. I
Speaker 1: mean the second year of this podcast, the pandemic hit
Speaker 1: and we had to figure it out and we really
Speaker 1: I didn't take any time. We just you know, just
Speaker 1: kept doing it. And I know it was like kind
Speaker 1: of rocky there for a moment, like the sound was
Speaker 1: bad and I was trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: record on my phone from home. But we figured it out,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's been tough. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It's it's it has its challenges to book a show
Speaker 1: like this every single week. I mean, any sent me
Speaker 1: at the book any kind of show with different people
Speaker 1: every single week. It's hard. But then you add like,
Speaker 1: oh they have to have a bomb ass ghost story,
Speaker 1: and that makes it really tough. But I'm I'm also
Speaker 1: real picky, so I try my best to curate a
Speaker 1: good show every single week. And you're still listening, so
Speaker 1: I hope that I've done a decent enough job, and
Speaker 1: you know, I get to do these listener episodes, which
Speaker 1: has been so cool just to know that anyone listens
Speaker 1: to this is is really it means a lot to me,
Speaker 1: It really really does. It's it's been a big deal
Speaker 1: for me, and I don't think that I could have
Speaker 1: lasted this past year without going crazy if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for all of you showing me support. And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even have I don't have jobs anymore.
Speaker 1: I used to have like a really full, busy life
Speaker 1: and now I've put a lot of my life into
Speaker 1: doing Ghosted and now I'm on stereo all the time,
Speaker 1: and I do the Patreon and you know, you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys support me so much, even just by listening,
Speaker 1: but everyone you know, posting about the show and telling
Speaker 1: their friends and you know, giving me suggestions of guests,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you guys have just shown me so much support.
Speaker 1: And it means a lot to me because it's just
Speaker 1: been a it's been you know, risky just doing this.
Speaker 1: I put a lot of time into this, and it
Speaker 1: really feels like it pays off when I realize that
Speaker 1: people actually really enjoy this and they tune in, and
Speaker 1: it's all worth it. This is in no way a gigantic,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest podcasts in the world,
Speaker 1: though I am very hopeful that it will be. I
Speaker 1: believe in this podcast it will be one day. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not rich from doing this podcast, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to do it because I feel
Speaker 1: very passionate about it and you guys enjoy it, so
Speaker 1: hopefully it will continue to grow and as long as
Speaker 1: you guys are listening, I'm going to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. All Right,
Speaker 1: that's the end of the speed Anyway, I'm talking to
Speaker 1: a couple of our listeners today and I decided I'm
Speaker 1: going to do something new with our listeners, which is
Speaker 1: I played an EVP with a listener, which I think
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do at random on listener episodes in
Speaker 1: the future, and I did it with Andy and the
Speaker 1: Patreon bonus clip this week is me talking to Andy
Speaker 1: some more. And Andy has a story about a time
Speaker 1: when he had a nightmare slash sleep paralysis involving an
Speaker 1: entity that resembled Samara from The Ring, who is always
Speaker 1: popular in these scenarios and always terrifying. So go check
Speaker 1: that out on my second tier of Patreon and also
Speaker 1: my first tier of Patreon. My video this week is
Speaker 1: a quick little video of me talking about the Waiyhouse
Speaker 1: and a little bit of footage of me walking around it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not open right now, you can't go in,
Speaker 1: but I walked around the property, and so that's something
Speaker 1: I also wanted to tell you that since Valentine's Day
Speaker 1: is coming up, I mean, what better way to say
Speaker 1: I love you than with some ghosted merge. And so
Speaker 1: we're gonna do fifteen percent off with the promo code
Speaker 1: love RAS in all caps. And that's at that link
Speaker 1: to my merch which is you can find the link
Speaker 1: in my Instagram bio or if you don't have Instagram,
Speaker 1: send me an email ghosted by ros at gmail dot
Speaker 1: com and I will send it to you. And yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen percent off promo code love RAS. Also, if you
Speaker 1: want to be on a Listener episode soon, please send
Speaker 1: me your Listener stories with the subject line Listener episode,
Speaker 1: just you know, a brief little description of some of
Speaker 1: the stories and send that to also ghosted Bye Roz
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Okay, here we go. It is
Speaker 1: time for the two year edition a Listener episode two
Speaker 1: years in the making, the fifteenth ever Listener Phone Call
Speaker 1: Extravaganza on with the show. Hello, Liz, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm great.
Speaker 4: I've been on pins and needles all morning.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: I love thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I love the story you sent me. And you were
Speaker 1: talking about it's from the seventies. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard very many stories on this show from
Speaker 1: like the seventies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been sitting on this a long time.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like.
Speaker 4: I've had sure, it's not like I've had a lot
Speaker 4: of experiences. But it was this apartment I moved in
Speaker 4: in about well in nineteen seventy six. It was a
Speaker 4: very cute apartment. It was stucco with a Spanish roof,
Speaker 4: and it was upstairs. There were French doors in the
Speaker 4: bedroom and breakfast nook. It was so cute, but it
Speaker 4: was creepy.
Speaker 2: It was the kind of place.
Speaker 1: This was in California, right, Berkeley, Oh.
Speaker 2: Up in Berkeley.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so it was upstairs. I had my own
Speaker 4: private stairway, and it was the kind of place where
Speaker 4: you wanted to run up the stairs because there was
Speaker 4: something behind you.
Speaker 3: Oh yes.
Speaker 4: And if you wanted to sit down, there were special
Speaker 4: places in the corner where you would feel most comfortable,
Speaker 4: so you had to bat you know, you're back against
Speaker 4: the wall. Anyway, It was just that way. But I
Speaker 4: didn't have any haunting experience until I'd been there about
Speaker 4: three years, and then a very silly thing happened.
Speaker 2: One night.
Speaker 4: Everything fell off the shelf in my closet.
Speaker 1: Everything but the shelf didn't break right, or.
Speaker 4: The shelf didn't break. Everything fell off. There was no earthquake.
Speaker 4: It woke me up and anyway, it was kind of silly,
Speaker 4: but it was the beginning of things. That's when things started,
Speaker 4: because the next night I was woken up by tapping
Speaker 4: on the wall, tapping, tapping, tapping. That never ended. It
Speaker 4: would just keep going, tapping, tapping, right by my head.
Speaker 4: Now my bed was situated against the wall, was just
Speaker 4: a mattress on the floor. The other side of that
Speaker 4: wall was that creepy stairway, so there was nothing there.
Speaker 4: There was no there were no neighbors, no outside, no
Speaker 4: water pipes, nothing to make that noise. And it just
Speaker 4: scared me and I scrunched down. I would grab my
Speaker 4: pillow and scrunched down, trying to get some distance between
Speaker 4: my head and the wall. This went on for days
Speaker 4: and days and as At the same time, I started
Speaker 4: getting buzzed by mosquitoes, which is unnerving in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night when they were or no, just buzzing
Speaker 4: my ear just kind of going down. It is annoying,
Speaker 4: and it was it creeped me out.
Speaker 1: Are you the person that would think this is a
Speaker 1: ghost or something like that? Oh?
Speaker 4: No, I lived by myself all this time. I was
Speaker 4: not afraid of things. I just was like, Eh, that's creepy.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to do this.
Speaker 4: So I'd had nobody to get up and call in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night that tapping on the wall.
Speaker 4: So this went on for a while, as I said,
Speaker 4: Then one night I got into bed, was settling down,
Speaker 4: settling in. Before I'd even relaxed in my left ear,
Speaker 4: I heard a woman's voice say, Lizzy, I'm here with you,
Speaker 4: as clear as I ever heard anything in my life.
Speaker 4: I jumped out of bed. I said, oh, no, you're not,
Speaker 4: and I I went around that apartment. I was in
Speaker 4: full roar. I was a mama bear. I was going
Speaker 4: to protect myself in that apartment. And I must have
Speaker 4: scared it away or it was a real weeny little
Speaker 4: demon or something that they never came back.
Speaker 1: Well, that's actually a surprise. I mean, that's that's inspiring
Speaker 1: to hear, because I feel like you hear so many
Speaker 1: of these entities or demons wherever that can't take a hint.
Speaker 1: It's like we're not interested, Like you need to back up.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, yeah, creep. But this one was like okay,
Speaker 1: Like this must have been like first day on the job,
Speaker 1: like new new demon.
Speaker 4: I think like they were just watching me and taking
Speaker 4: their time, and then they thought they'd do something, and
Speaker 4: then they were, oh, I'm not going to mess with
Speaker 4: this dish, so forget it.
Speaker 1: Wait for the next Now. Wait, so do you think
Speaker 1: that it was something? I mean, you did say about
Speaker 1: the you thought that the stairway was creepy this whole time.
Speaker 1: But do you think it was a ghost of somebody
Speaker 1: that lived there at one point or do you think
Speaker 1: it was something that you brought into the house by
Speaker 1: accident or where do you know?
Speaker 4: I don't think it was with me. I don't think
Speaker 4: it was with me. For a while, I thought maybe
Speaker 4: it was an ancestor or something that was visiting, but
Speaker 4: it was kind of a menacing voice, so I don't think.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 4: Really have no clue was.
Speaker 1: And there was something else.
Speaker 4: But there was something else that happened in that apartment
Speaker 4: that I have to tell you real quick. Okay, In
Speaker 4: the summer of nineteen seventy seven, in that same apartment,
Speaker 4: I was getting ready to go to a job interview,
Speaker 4: and pulling on my pantyhose. Out of my mouth come
Speaker 4: to the words, I'm going to see Mary Peterson today. Okay,
Speaker 4: not her real name, but she had a common name
Speaker 4: like that. Okay, so I'm thinking, well, that's weird. I
Speaker 4: haven't seen her since seventh grade, and I don't know
Speaker 4: that I'm going to see her, so I don't I
Speaker 4: didn't think about it. I just said the words.
Speaker 1: It was just like a name that popped into your head.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to see Mary Peterson today, verbatim.
Speaker 4: So I got ready. I walked down to the bus stop,
Speaker 4: took the bus, went down San Pablo Avenue in Berkeley,
Speaker 4: it turned up Solano Avenue and stopped. Who gets on
Speaker 4: the bus but Mary Peterson. I grabbed her by the hand.
Speaker 4: I said, I knew I was going to see you
Speaker 4: this morning and or today. She didn't look at all surprised.
Speaker 4: I thought it was strange. She looked very sad. We
Speaker 4: walked to the back of the bus to get and
Speaker 4: we sat down and we talked for a little while.
Speaker 4: She told me that she was in a relationship with
Speaker 4: a married man and that I could tell she was
Speaker 4: very unhappy. But my bus stop came up and I
Speaker 4: had to get off. After a couple of miles, and
Speaker 4: you know, we said our goodbyes, and I thought, well,
Speaker 4: that was disappointing. I thought something more would come of that.
Speaker 4: After having having that kind of experience, I expected more,
Speaker 4: you know. So a few years ago I looked her up.
Speaker 4: I remember her middle name, and I looked her up
Speaker 4: and I put in nineteen fifty six, which would be
Speaker 4: the year that we both were born. And I found
Speaker 4: a grave and it had her full name with her
Speaker 4: middle name. It said born nineteen fifty six, died nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy seven. So I think she might have killed herself.
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I I hate to think that,
Speaker 4: but it's like that would be just amazing, that would
Speaker 4: be so creepy.
Speaker 1: If do you think when did you see her again?
Speaker 4: Summer of seventy seven.
Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility she was a ghost, or
Speaker 1: do you think no, she was alive?
Speaker 4: She was alive. I think I think I saw her
Speaker 4: shortly before she died. Wow, because we were she was
Speaker 4: having this unhappy affair and I don't know, I just
Speaker 4: I just had a feeling. And it was the only
Speaker 4: person that came up with that name with that middle name.
Speaker 4: And I can give you her full name and you
Speaker 4: can look up up yourself if you want you, but
Speaker 4: I don't want to do it on the air, right
Speaker 4: because she might be alive.
Speaker 1: Yea happened to her. But either way, like just waking
Speaker 1: up with someone random in your head and then seeing
Speaker 1: that that is very interesting. Yeah, just.
Speaker 4: And it was this apartment and nothing like that has
Speaker 4: happened to me since I left the apartment, so I
Speaker 4: think it was in the apartment.
Speaker 1: So anywhere, So since then have you had have you
Speaker 1: had anything paranormal happened since then?
Speaker 4: Not incontrovertible things like these. That was somebody's talking in
Speaker 4: my ear. That's something that nobody will ever convince me
Speaker 4: that it was anything different. And the same with this
Speaker 4: woman that I had a premonition about that nobody can
Speaker 4: convince me that it was something that wasn't beyond this earth.
Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful for these things because now I
Speaker 4: can it's all open. I don't have to fear the beyond.
Speaker 4: I don't have to fear death because there is more.
Speaker 4: It's such a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ghost in my house. Hello, Andy, how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing so good?
Speaker 1: How are you great? Where are you? What part of
Speaker 1: the world I am?
Speaker 3: You're in La right or San Diego.
Speaker 1: I'm in La at the moment, not too far from you.
Speaker 3: I'm in Hisspaia, so like a third of the way
Speaker 3: to Las Vegas from you.
Speaker 1: Oh, the desert.
Speaker 3: The high desert.
Speaker 1: Have you seen aliens? I love talking to desert people
Speaker 1: about aliens.
Speaker 3: No, but I am this is like my fourth year
Speaker 3: letting up here, and I don't doubt that there are
Speaker 3: aliens that float around here because it just gives me
Speaker 3: that vibe of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was reading your email and it sounds
Speaker 1: like you have had all kinds of experiences and you
Speaker 1: just like through so the way you were so nonchalantly
Speaker 1: in this email, just like oh yeah, and then like
Speaker 1: I've seen demons, I had a near death experience. Can
Speaker 1: we just like, I've got questions, so can we? Can
Speaker 1: we start with what happened to you? When you were young.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So oh man, it's kind of embarrassing
Speaker 3: because when I was like four years old, my parents
Speaker 3: and my sisters, we frequented my grandparents house in Mexico,
Speaker 3: and they live right on this like on a highway,
Speaker 3: and across the street is this park that we just
Speaker 3: loved going to and there's the swings and all that
Speaker 3: growing up. So me and my sister older sister went
Speaker 3: across the way one day and I decided to just
Speaker 3: run into the highway without looking both ways on our
Speaker 3: way back, and I literally got hit by a truck.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so my cousin, he's like ten years older,
Speaker 3: and he said he was watching us from from my
Speaker 3: grandparent's house, and my sister both say that they swear
Speaker 3: they saw me fly like fifteen twenty feet in the
Speaker 3: air and I landed on the concrete face first.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So that happened. And all I remember was like going
Speaker 3: in and out of consciousness, Like I remember waking up
Speaker 3: in the car in the hospital, and I just remember
Speaker 3: going to and from like consciousness and like and I
Speaker 3: know it's like so cliche, but like a white light, right,
Speaker 3: like I just kept going in and out of that.
Speaker 3: So luckily I'm here to tell the telle. And I
Speaker 3: really think that that was like the precedent for me
Speaker 3: to be able to be open and to experience things,
Speaker 3: you know, as I was growing up. So yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you remember like physical pain
Speaker 1: or like any of that.
Speaker 3: Nope, I don't remember any pain. I just remember going
Speaker 3: in and out. Nope, I don't remember any pain any
Speaker 3: nothing like that. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: I was four years So you feel like this opened
Speaker 1: you up to the spiritual realm or what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I really think that that it was in your death
Speaker 3: experience and that it just made me sensitive to two
Speaker 3: things like I don't you know, like I don't want
Speaker 3: to claim that like I am of any type of
Speaker 3: psychic or medium, but I know that the things I've
Speaker 3: experienced aren't just like my mind playing tricks on me,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I know I've seen tangible experience, very
Speaker 3: tangible things that I believe our paranom Oh like what okay,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, where do we start? Okay? So after
Speaker 3: that experience like coming back home, let's see, so we
Speaker 3: lived in a house in Pomona, which is like not
Speaker 3: too far from from Elliott's. I got in the Inland
Speaker 3: Empire and the house was built in the forties. I
Speaker 3: tried to do some research coming into this, but I
Speaker 3: didn't find much, but I defined that the house was
Speaker 3: built in the forties, so there was some history there.
Speaker 3: And the house happened to be built on like a
Speaker 3: three foot sub floor, so there's like three feet of
Speaker 3: space under under the under the house. And yeah, you're
Speaker 3: telling me. And then guess where the opening to the
Speaker 3: sub floor was in our house?
Speaker 1: Where my closet.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think it's a little mix of
Speaker 3: here as a little kid, like there's a whole to
Speaker 3: the sub floor in your closet, and like also just
Speaker 3: experiencing things that made me like scared shitless about that
Speaker 3: being in there. So after after that whole like near
Speaker 3: death experience happened, I did start experiencing like very creepy things.
Speaker 3: And like as I was reviewing this stuff in my
Speaker 3: head like going into today, like I just oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I got like overwhelmed with emotions and and you know,
Speaker 3: chills down on my spind So I I would start
Speaker 3: like hearing scratchy in my closet, like at the sub
Speaker 3: floor and very reminiscent of like an ASMR.
Speaker 1: But not relaxing at.
Speaker 3: All, not relaxing at all. No, And so I don't
Speaker 3: know why as a kid, like I didn't think to
Speaker 3: like tell my sisters or my parents, Like I just
Speaker 3: like was like, Oh, that's weird, Like that's kind of freaking.
Speaker 1: Is it possible it was a raccoon or something?
Speaker 3: I think that. I think that's how like I kept
Speaker 3: myself like at ease about it, like, oh, it's probably
Speaker 3: a rat or a raccoon or something. But it would
Speaker 3: happen so frequently and more frequent obviously, like it would
Speaker 3: have just happened when I was It just happened to
Speaker 3: happen when I was alone, Like it never happened when
Speaker 3: my sisters were in my room or when anyone else
Speaker 3: was in my room. It does happened when I was alone.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 3: That would happen very very often. And at some point
Speaker 3: I started having these like really creepy nightmares where like
Speaker 3: a demon looking like all black thing with red upglowing
Speaker 3: eyes and like these like claws. I would I just
Speaker 3: have nightmares that it would come out of the subfloor,
Speaker 3: like it would just like peek up, and I would
Speaker 3: just have that reoccurring nightmare, and at some point it
Speaker 3: progressed to like me waking up from that nightmare and
Speaker 3: then hearing my closet door like the handle just like
Speaker 3: open very slowly, and then the door just like crack
Speaker 3: open just a little bit. And I would and I
Speaker 3: you know how like in movies, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people will say when they're scared or see something like that,
Speaker 3: their first instinct is to run out of bed and
Speaker 3: get out of the room. Like I'm the complete opposite.
Speaker 3: Like I would just like like lay there and stare
Speaker 3: intensely wide eyed at like what was going on. And
Speaker 3: I would see like a hand just come out of
Speaker 3: the door and like long cloths just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: caress the door, but like kind of like in a
Speaker 3: very like threatening, like I'm going to get you type
Speaker 3: of way.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like a demon that knows what it's doing.
Speaker 1: Like it's like I know that if I go real slow,
Speaker 1: I'm going to creep you out exactly.
Speaker 3: And so I was just like scared shitless was until
Speaker 3: like I was just I would just watch until I
Speaker 3: fell asleep. Like that's just how it went. And some days,
Speaker 3: I swear I would wake up and the closet door
Speaker 3: was just like just as much open as it was
Speaker 3: when I was like experiencing that sometimes it would just
Speaker 3: be closed. But ro's like I can reassure you that,
Speaker 3: before I went to bed, knowing that I would experience
Speaker 3: those nightmares, like I made sure that door was locked
Speaker 3: or closed, you know, like closed all the way that
Speaker 3: it wouldn't just like swing open by itself. So that
Speaker 3: was just like that was so terrifying to me as
Speaker 3: like a little four, five six year old kid, and
Speaker 3: those stream those kind of nightmares just like kind of
Speaker 3: progressed into like more emotional nightmares. It's so crazy. And
Speaker 3: I think you've mentioned mentioned this before but about yourself too.
Speaker 3: But my parents let me watch The Extressist when I
Speaker 3: was like seven years old, and that was like at
Speaker 3: my request. Some kid at schools like, you should watch
Speaker 3: the ex It's like not even scary, it's like funny,
Speaker 3: And I don't know what he's been watching, but nothing
Speaker 3: in that movie was funny. But when I rented the movie,
Speaker 3: did your parents rent it for your like? What how
Speaker 3: did you?
Speaker 1: I saw it? I saw it like a MC or TC,
Speaker 1: like a cable edited version with like all the bad
Speaker 1: words taken out and like replace, like how they used
Speaker 1: to do that on cable, like replace the words the
Speaker 1: famously it was your mother darn's socks in hell, right,
Speaker 1: But then when I saw the I mean that was
Speaker 1: still terrifying, nonetheless right.
Speaker 3: Right, So like I don't know how or why my
Speaker 3: parents just like it was my dad he obliged like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're interested in the Exorcist, Like oh, when we watched
Speaker 3: that when it first came out, like before having teasers
Speaker 3: in the theater, like chery, I'll let you watch that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he rented it for me, and like I
Speaker 3: remember that night. My sisters were like I have an
Speaker 3: older sister and a younger sister and they're like, no,
Speaker 3: we do not want to watch this very movie. And
Speaker 3: they happen to have a TV in their room. I
Speaker 3: didn't have a TV in my room, so I watched
Speaker 3: the movie alone in their room. And it was like
Speaker 3: later in the afternoon, and I remember like when the
Speaker 3: movie was ending, it was already like kind of dust,
Speaker 3: like it was getting dark, and Rod was like, I
Speaker 3: remember this so well. Like the bed that I was
Speaker 3: on started violently shaking, like earthquake shaking, and like obviously,
Speaker 3: like I got up and like I ran out to
Speaker 3: the living room and I asked my mom if she
Speaker 3: had felt the earthquake, and she like looked at me,
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? And I said to mom,
Speaker 3: like the bed that it was just something just like shook,
Speaker 3: like there was an earthquake, and and she was like, no,
Speaker 3: there wasn't. You're probably just like imagining things like you're
Speaker 3: watching that movie, like you're just you know, like typical
Speaker 3: mom play it off, like you're just you're just thinking
Speaker 3: you experienced something. But I swear I was like I'm
Speaker 3: getting like flustered just thinking about it because I remember
Speaker 3: that feeling of like the whole bed shaking, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was real. It happened, like
Speaker 3: there's no down in my mind that it happened. And
Speaker 3: that way, I.
Speaker 1: Think that when you watch a scary movie, you're obviously
Speaker 1: like on alert and do you think that stuff like
Speaker 1: that could happen, And it's possible your brain can play
Speaker 1: tricks on you. But also if we're to believe that
Speaker 1: demons or dark energies feed off of fear, if you're
Speaker 1: already fearful, because of a movie or something you heard,
Speaker 1: or having a podcast where you hear terrifying stories all
Speaker 1: the time, you're gonna be fear in a fear like state,
Speaker 1: and maybe a devid will latch onto that and and
Speaker 1: it will know that You're going to think, oh, it's
Speaker 1: only because I saw this movie, but it could be
Speaker 1: real for sure.
Speaker 3: No, right, I really think that that's what was going on.
Speaker 3: And oh my gosh, I remember that night before I
Speaker 3: went to bed, like I looked under my bed, I
Speaker 3: looked in the closet like with the light, and sure
Speaker 3: there was nobody or nothing in there. And and after that,
Speaker 3: after I watched that movie, like the demon in my
Speaker 3: nightmares kind of took the the form of Reagan from
Speaker 3: the movie, like it just it just kind of got
Speaker 3: a little like out of control. But at the same
Speaker 3: time it was routine, like I started to expect it
Speaker 3: to happen, so I guess it wasn't like as scary
Speaker 3: after a couple years. The only thing I like, I
Speaker 3: really remember changing that like made me like scared after
Speaker 3: getting used to it is as I would just start
Speaker 3: having this reoccurring dream that this demon thing like wo'd
Speaker 3: be out on the street and it was like pitch dark,
Speaker 3: like the street lights didn't work like that, it would
Speaker 3: kidnap my sisters. I don't know, that's still like weird,
Speaker 3: like the demon kid at my sisters, But I like
Speaker 3: I knew that the demon took my sisters in the nightmare,
Speaker 3: and it would just like laugh at me with like
Speaker 3: sharp teeth and say like it's going to get me next.
Speaker 3: And then I would wake up and the progression instead
Speaker 3: of like seeing things is I would hear something like
Speaker 3: call and whisper mining from the closet and it was
Speaker 3: just like a you know, just like hawing in mind.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like getting chills, and I would just
Speaker 3: like yeah, And I like, as I'm as I'm thinking
Speaker 3: about this, I'm thinking, how come I never like ran
Speaker 3: and told my parents or my sisters about this, And
Speaker 3: I just I really think that they would have just
Speaker 3: like brushed me off. My parents and my sisters just
Speaker 3: don't believe in like the spiritual realm and the paranormal.
Speaker 3: So I just I just didn't find that like to
Speaker 3: be an option. But yeah, that's that pretty much sums
Speaker 3: up like my experiences in that house. I really do
Speaker 3: think that there was an like an entity or a
Speaker 3: spirit or something kind of evil, because that it never
Speaker 3: felt like like an easygoing thing. You know, it made
Speaker 3: its presence known to me after I experienced that ner
Speaker 3: death experience, and I think it knew that I could
Speaker 3: see it and hear it, and it was terrifying. And
Speaker 3: I think it's it's worth noting that while we lived
Speaker 3: in that house, there were a couple other weird things
Speaker 3: that happened that, like, you know, I can't attribute to
Speaker 3: it be because of that, but I mean, when bad
Speaker 3: things happen, like I assume that it's because of a
Speaker 3: bad energy or a bad presence, right, And so that house,
Speaker 3: luckily no one was at the house, but someone did
Speaker 3: break into that house at some point, and like it's Pomona,
Speaker 3: like no nothing like valuable hiding in our house. And
Speaker 3: also somehow, like we love our animals, We've always loved
Speaker 3: our enemies in our house, and somehow our little Chiwaba
Speaker 3: got out one night to the front yard and she
Speaker 3: was like multi by like a pack of like three
Speaker 3: big dogs brought like right in front of our yard.
Speaker 3: I know it was it was so sad and like
Speaker 3: it was so random that like she got out, like
Speaker 3: she was just always with us, you know. And one
Speaker 3: last thing that I'll never forget is one there was
Speaker 3: like a tall light post in front of our house,
Speaker 3: and one night, some like thugs rammed their car into
Speaker 3: that light post, and the light post like fell straight
Speaker 3: towards our house. And luckily, our front yard is very long,
Speaker 3: so I never like hit the house, but I just
Speaker 3: remember looking like outside the blinds and like looking at
Speaker 3: these guys, like the police luckily got there very quickly,
Speaker 3: but looking at these guys, and there was just like
Speaker 3: something very like very like weird and malevolent about them.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, like I just think back and
Speaker 3: I grouped this all together, and it could be that
Speaker 3: is just random people that crashed into our house, but I, like,
Speaker 3: I look back and I think that it all had
Speaker 3: to do with this negative energy in this house.
Speaker 1: So I think that's definitely possible. Have you had ghost
Speaker 1: experiences like with human ghosts?
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we moved out of that house when I
Speaker 3: was about twelve, and for many many years, like through
Speaker 3: my teens, I didn't experience like anything close to actually
Speaker 3: anything that resembled what I experienced at that house. So
Speaker 3: that's why I believe that there was something specifically like
Speaker 3: going on at the house, because once we got out,
Speaker 3: I didn't experience anything like that. I started what I
Speaker 3: believe like seeing ghosts or like human spirits around when
Speaker 3: I was like in high school, because when both of
Speaker 3: my grandmothers and grandmothers passed away, I know that they
Speaker 3: came to me in my dreams, Like I have no
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that they came to me in
Speaker 3: my dream in my dreams after they passed, just to
Speaker 3: reassure me that they were in an okay place. And
Speaker 3: I wrote a couple of books here, but like to me,
Speaker 3: like I've started to realize around that time and as
Speaker 3: an adult that like there's a difference between a paranormal
Speaker 3: experience and like a MyD trick. And the way I
Speaker 3: know for myself that it's a different experience is that
Speaker 3: when I have a paranormal experience like my grandmother's coming
Speaker 3: to me in my sleep or when I've had what
Speaker 3: most people would call sleep paralysis, is I have like
Speaker 3: a physiological response to it, Like if I have a
Speaker 3: paranormal experience, I like I ended up like tearing up often,
Speaker 3: or my body just feels different as to when like oh, like,
Speaker 3: did I just see that? You know, when I'm like
Speaker 3: questioning if it was a my trick, And to me,
Speaker 3: that's how I know it's different. Around the time when
Speaker 3: I turned eighteen, I began to like, you know, become
Speaker 3: a social butterfly and started going out a lot. And
Speaker 3: my parents were kind of strict with us, and they
Speaker 3: didn't like us staying out late or going out partying
Speaker 3: or like any parent, but they were they were honestly,
Speaker 3: they were very strict, and so I was a little defiant,
Speaker 3: you know, I was like a little a whole to them,
Speaker 3: and I think that I was inviting like negative energy
Speaker 3: and negative people into my life. And that's when I
Speaker 3: started having serious sleep paralysis. And what's funny is I
Speaker 3: listened to the podcast and you mentioned it a lot,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people, guess have mentioned that they
Speaker 3: have to sleep paralysis only when they sleep on their back.
Speaker 3: But I only have sleep process when I'm sleeping on
Speaker 3: my side. I've never had it on my back, So
Speaker 3: that's kind of weird because hearing that everyone else has
Speaker 3: it on their back is like, whoa, that's kind of
Speaker 3: creepy because I don't, I know, I hear it.
Speaker 1: I hear it on the side too. I hear it
Speaker 1: the least on when people sleep on their stomach, but
Speaker 1: I have honestly, I keep hearing it all different ways.
Speaker 1: So I want to do something fun. I've never done this,
Speaker 1: but I think you want to listen to some EVPs
Speaker 1: in me.
Speaker 2: Roz, you're gonna like me to do this.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, let's do it. I've never done it with listeners,
Speaker 1: but let's do it right now. Ev oor ev please.
Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about how we should why not? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do this. This one. I found it YouTube.
Speaker 1: It's from Joseph Fontaine and it is at a It
Speaker 1: just says it's at a residence in Rhode Island. It's
Speaker 1: at some haunted house. What do you hear this ghost saying? Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let's jay again. Oh my gosh, could you hear anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear something in the lines of like that's
Speaker 3: something I want to run away, something like that or
Speaker 3: here I'll.
Speaker 2: Put run away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's definitely like a sentence or like a couple of words. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's some options. Is it A It's all up to you.
Speaker 1: B that's so not cool. See it's all downhill or
Speaker 1: d what's that pu?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they smelled something bad action, See it's all downhill.
Speaker 1: It's actually they believe it's a it's all up to you.
Speaker 1: I hear it. Well, okay, so then I'll read you more.
Speaker 1: It says that they captured this at a home with
Speaker 1: reoccurring intense negative paranormal activity. Many have blessed and cleansed
Speaker 1: the home, but still the negative spirits prevail. Although the
Speaker 1: voice you are hearing is not a malicious spirit, we
Speaker 1: believe it is someone else warning us that we should
Speaker 1: not give up on saving the home by speaking this message.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's a good spirit being like it's
Speaker 1: all up to you to get these bad ones out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too, Hi Jan where are you?
Speaker 2: Hi? Ros? I live in south central Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I guess WHOA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really rural, Harrol.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I was hearing about how you've
Speaker 1: had some like premonition dreams. What is going on with that?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really know. As far as I know,
Speaker 2: It's not like a past from one generation thing. It
Speaker 2: just kind of started happening to me when I was
Speaker 2: probably around nine or ten, and I didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was, and unfortunately, the first person I asked, what
Speaker 2: you know this is about? And I explained kind of
Speaker 2: made the whole situation very negative. So I just didn't
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot and just kind of tried
Speaker 2: to ignore it and move on with life as best
Speaker 2: as I could. But I think I was about sixteen
Speaker 2: seventeen where I kind of started to have more of
Speaker 2: a curiosity, like this can't be normal, and started doing
Speaker 2: some digging around on the internet and discovered that I've
Speaker 2: been having what's called precognitive dreams, where you'll dream about
Speaker 2: the event, and then you'll be going about your daily
Speaker 2: life and all of a sudden, a sound or something
Speaker 2: you see just triggers. It's almost like a memory, but
Speaker 2: it's not you remember dreaming it, not doing it, if
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So the one I talked to you
Speaker 2: about in my email was it was about nine ten,
Speaker 2: came home from the races with my family and there
Speaker 2: was this just weird shrieking going on in the dark.
Speaker 2: You know, it's probably eleven o'clock at night, and we
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out what it was. My mom gets the
Speaker 2: flashlight turns on the porch lights, and right at the
Speaker 2: time where she's like getting brave and going to look
Speaker 2: underneath the deck, I just I literally hit my knees
Speaker 2: because it was like I just lost my balance kind
Speaker 2: of almost. It felt like that sensation you get when
Speaker 2: you're like seasick or you have some sort of inner
Speaker 2: ear imbalance. You just like can't find your body, can't
Speaker 2: find like the horizon kind of thing. And I just
Speaker 2: had this like flash of what my mom was going
Speaker 2: to say, what had happened. Like I saw all the
Speaker 2: next couple of minutes, and I was like, I remember
Speaker 2: dreaming this. I remember dreaming it, because when I woke up,
Speaker 2: I thought that was weird. And I just thought I
Speaker 2: was a weird dream and just went on with my life.
Speaker 2: And then come home six months almost a year later,
Speaker 2: and it happened, and my cat had got itself wound
Speaker 2: in these outdoor blinds, the cords, and if we'd come
Speaker 2: home any later, she probably would have choked herself to death, basical.
Speaker 1: And so she was the one that was streaking. That
Speaker 1: was not streaking shrieking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the cat. Like a cat's screaming. It
Speaker 2: sounds remarkably like a woman sometimes, especially if they're like
Speaker 2: super panicked. And I didn't realize that until Gosh. I
Speaker 2: think I was watching a nature documentary when I was
Speaker 2: a teenager and I was like, oh, I've heard a
Speaker 2: sound like that before. It's a cat. And I'm just like, yep,
Speaker 2: that's right, because I continued to watch because of that.
Speaker 1: So you had a dream that, I mean, so it
Speaker 1: sounds like you had this like premonition that you're going
Speaker 1: to have to that when you hear this sound, it's
Speaker 1: going to be something that is going to need attention, right,
Speaker 1: I'm like it was. It was something that that was helpful, right, azing.
Speaker 2: In an instance, yeah, it was. But sometimes they're just
Speaker 2: pretty generic, like I'm just like, I know I dreamt this,
Speaker 2: but I don't know why I dreamt this, because there's
Speaker 2: no real purpose to this dream. An example would be
Speaker 2: getting on the bus at prom and seeing the pattern
Speaker 2: of the carpet and just knowing what was going to
Speaker 2: happen for the rest of the night. Nothing big happened,
Speaker 2: nothing important happened, but I remember that you know this
Speaker 2: is going to happen between these two people. These people
Speaker 2: are going to dance, these people are going to end
Speaker 2: up together and we're all going to have generally a
Speaker 2: good time, you know. And on another instance, just driving
Speaker 2: down the road, I saw this little hill with a tree,
Speaker 2: a big, gigantic tree, and just had that sensation like
Speaker 2: been here before. I know I've been here before, but
Speaker 2: I've never driven or lived anywhere near here before. So
Speaker 2: it's just weird little stuff like that. It's never anything major,
Speaker 2: like oh so and so is going to get murdered,
Speaker 2: and this is who did it? You know, nothing that
Speaker 2: could solve a crime or helping a person.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very like Final Destination. Did you ever see
Speaker 1: those movies?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're creepy. They're very creepy. I think I stopped
Speaker 2: watching after the third one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first. I always think about that plane crash
Speaker 1: of the first one, where he like kind of sees
Speaker 1: it happening and then it happens. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do if I had a dream like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do if I saw
Speaker 2: something like that either. I've always wondered, because, like I said,
Speaker 2: it kind of got a love hate, mostly hate relationship
Speaker 2: with sleep. So at least I have until maybe about
Speaker 2: three or four years ago, when I had a kid
Speaker 2: and I was a single mom, and it's just like
Speaker 2: sleep his life because I can't survive without it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What what was the story about moving into an
Speaker 1: old farmhouse with a shadow man?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: When I was I think so, Yeah, I just turned seventeen.
Speaker 2: My dad and mom decided that they wanted to move,
Speaker 2: which is fine because I didn't really other than like
Speaker 2: one or two friends, I didn't really care for where
Speaker 2: we lived anyway. It was just all I knew, and
Speaker 2: so we moved like four hours from Wisconsin to Minnesota
Speaker 2: in January. I wouldn't recommend, especially not here. And I
Speaker 2: was really excited because when we went to look at
Speaker 2: this house, I believe it was November, just before right
Speaker 2: around Thanksgiving, and I was obsessed. It was like my
Speaker 2: dream vision of the kind of house that I wanted,
Speaker 2: and we were waiting and I just couldn't wait to
Speaker 2: get in and look at this house. So when my
Speaker 2: parents finally you got it, everything was settled and we
Speaker 2: were all stept to move, I was really excited. I
Speaker 2: didn't care that I had to drive forty five minutes
Speaker 2: to an hour to a grocery store, half an hour
Speaker 2: to school. I didn't care. I was just I wanted
Speaker 2: to be in this house. And so we get there
Speaker 2: and my dad's an over the road truck driver at
Speaker 2: this time, and my mom was working. She hasn't started
Speaker 2: working yet. So I go to school for the first week,
Speaker 2: and that's a entire like culture shock compared to what
Speaker 2: I was used to. And my sister was not on
Speaker 2: point with this booth. She didn't like the idea of
Speaker 2: it all. She wanted to stay with her best friend
Speaker 2: finish out school year, and then start fresh at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the school year. So she was back in
Speaker 2: my hometown, I guess you could say. And my mom
Speaker 2: had the plans to go pick her up so she
Speaker 2: could come in and pack her room and pick up
Speaker 2: my best friend since she was basically on the way,
Speaker 2: and then then you know, she would take them back
Speaker 2: on Sunday afternoon or whatever. So Friday, when I got
Speaker 2: home from school, I was the only one there for
Speaker 2: the first time alone in the house, and who was
Speaker 2: just God, I'm going to age myself a lot here.
Speaker 2: I was on ice you talking to friends back in
Speaker 2: the dial of days, and I got up because I
Speaker 2: wanted to get a drink. And this house is basically
Speaker 2: a rectangular box, and all the rooms connected in the
Speaker 2: very center, and there were still worse to close off
Speaker 2: certain rooms. That's how they used to keep rooms hot
Speaker 2: and cold in the winter and the days before air
Speaker 2: conditioning and central heating. And I was walking from the
Speaker 2: study where our computer was, and it was through like
Speaker 2: a little entryway, or not an entryway, but a little
Speaker 2: the meeting point where all the rooms came together on
Speaker 2: the main floor, and off to the left is the stairways.
Speaker 2: You go up a flight, there's a big window in
Speaker 2: the landing you turn to you go up another eather
Speaker 2: so steps to a foyer. That was the word. I
Speaker 2: was looking for a foyer. And I was going to
Speaker 2: go walk past the stairs and into the kitchen, which
Speaker 2: was straight ahead of me. And as I was walking
Speaker 2: past the stairs, a movement in my left peripheral caught
Speaker 2: my attention, so I stopped, and I turned and I looked,
Speaker 2: expecting to see our little recked carrier on the top
Speaker 2: of the steps, you know, like whining. She didn't want
Speaker 2: to come down because that was kind of like one
Speaker 2: of her things should go upstairs really easy, but she
Speaker 2: wanted to carry her down normally, that big flight of
Speaker 2: stairs but it was not the dog. It was a
Speaker 2: reflection in the window of the landing of someone standing
Speaker 2: at the top of the stairs, and there was no details.
Speaker 2: It was just completely black, like you couldn't see through it.
Speaker 2: You could see the light of the lamp eliminating like
Speaker 2: the outline of this person and judging by the height
Speaker 2: because I investigated afterwards, like I put my hands where
Speaker 2: I assumed the head was, and I'm five six and
Speaker 2: it was probably at least a foot taller than I am,
Speaker 2: and it was wide, like you know, it had like
Speaker 2: a man's built even though I couldn't see features or hair,
Speaker 2: clothes or anything. And I just stared, like an absolute
Speaker 2: horrified shock because I curious about the supernatural before, but
Speaker 2: I'd never really had anything of this magnitude happened to me.
Speaker 2: And I felt like I was in the staring contest,
Speaker 2: and if I looked away first, something bad was going
Speaker 2: to happen. So like my gut hurt, and it was
Speaker 2: telling me, you know, you can't run away. If you
Speaker 2: run away, whatever, this is going to think your prey
Speaker 2: and it's fair name to fuck with you. Excuse my friend.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought.
Speaker 2: And I just like I I don't. It was just
Speaker 2: an instinct, and it like almost hurt because it was
Speaker 2: locking me in place like that instinct, don't move, don't
Speaker 2: drop eye contact. And it makes sense because a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, Themmalian predators are that way, like if
Speaker 2: you run away or if you drop eye contact, or
Speaker 2: if you make eye contact, you're basically initiating a dominance battle.
Speaker 1: So right, well for you, especially at such a young age,
Speaker 1: to like pick up on that and stand your ground.
Speaker 2: Like I said, it was pure bodily instinct. And you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of grew up in the fringe, not quite
Speaker 2: the country where farming happens or the forests, and not
Speaker 2: quite in town, like on the edge. So I am
Speaker 2: just enough about wildlife and nature not to you know,
Speaker 2: hurt myself too badly. So we did. We did have
Speaker 2: bears a little bit in our air. We did have
Speaker 2: a little bit of knowledge about what to do if
Speaker 2: you see a bear, right, but this was not anything physically.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's physical or anything, but it
Speaker 2: freaked me out enough that instinct just kind of took over.
Speaker 2: So I'm standing there having this staring contest. I call
Speaker 2: him a shadow man. I don't know if he was
Speaker 2: actually what you would consider a shadow person, or if
Speaker 2: it was just something kind of benevolent or a little
Speaker 2: malicious and just didn't want me to know what it
Speaker 2: looked like it was trying to scare me. But I
Speaker 2: was staring at it and like locked frozen instinctually, and
Speaker 2: of all the time, I'm just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna grab me hughes and I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: I'll just drive around until I know my mom's going
Speaker 2: to be home, whatever I have to do, you know,
Speaker 2: Because I didn't have friends, I could just drop in
Speaker 2: on my new friends I've known for a week, so
Speaker 2: like most of them, I didn't even know where they lived.
Speaker 2: And the phone rang, and I swear I must have
Speaker 2: had a miniature heart attack because I'm staring at something
Speaker 2: that scares me. And then the sound just out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and it was like one of those old rotary phones
Speaker 2: that's super loud. So I jumped backwards, snapped my head
Speaker 2: towards the kitchen, thinking they're you know, what was that?
Speaker 2: And then when I looked back, it was gone. And
Speaker 2: I was just literally like vibrating from the adrenaline, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do now, and I'm trying not to freak out.
Speaker 2: My mom's on the phone telling me they took a
Speaker 2: wrong turn so they're gonna be even longer, and I'm
Speaker 2: just trying not to let her know that I'm panicking
Speaker 2: and freaked out.
Speaker 6: Home alone. So I did what any sane person would
Speaker 6: in that situation. Not I closed all the doors to
Speaker 6: the stairway, turned on all the lights, turned on the TV,
Speaker 6: and turned the volume as loud as I could stand,
Speaker 6: because if there was anything going on upstairs, I didn't
Speaker 6: want to hear it. I was not going to investigate alone.
Speaker 1: Well, you were telling me that you've had like not scary,
Speaker 1: like not as scary, like a happy family ones. Could
Speaker 1: you share some of those two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that house was definitely the more scary one. My
Speaker 2: dad passed in twenty ten of pulmonary embolism, and it,
Speaker 2: oh wow, really made me restructure my entire universe after that,
Speaker 2: And it was really hard because if I had a
Speaker 2: question or I didn't know how to do something, I
Speaker 2: could ask him and he would tell me either how
Speaker 2: to do it, how to go about doing it, or
Speaker 2: who to talk about two to get something, you know,
Speaker 2: like he was the guy. He was my Google, my
Speaker 2: person Google.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so all of a sudden, I am planning
Speaker 5: a memorial service because my mom is just soble and
Speaker 5: she doesn't know.
Speaker 2: How to do any of this. And my sister, yes,
Speaker 2: she was upset, but you know, it was her problems
Speaker 2: kind of the way it felt. So I had spent
Speaker 2: a lot of nights after that in my room grieving
Speaker 2: quietly by myself, cold, always cold. I had to sleep
Speaker 2: with earbuds in, with music flame just to shut my
Speaker 2: brain off. And I know there was several nights like
Speaker 2: that where I would just I never saw anything, but
Speaker 2: I could just feel his presence and it was warm,
Speaker 2: like he was trying to be comforting. And then that
Speaker 2: that happened in March and very early summer, my mom
Speaker 2: and I decided we were moving, and one of the
Speaker 2: things that we wanted to do is we wanted to
Speaker 2: go to Fort Snowing where his parents are buried, and
Speaker 2: surreptitiously and secretly leave a little bit of his cremations
Speaker 2: with his parents. And the other place that we decided
Speaker 2: that we wanted to do that before we left the
Speaker 2: area was the speedway that my dad went to all
Speaker 2: the time. I kind of grew up on the racetrack
Speaker 2: because he was really into that until he got into trucking.
Speaker 2: And they were having a free race, a free fans night,
Speaker 2: so the races were free. All you had to do
Speaker 2: is pay for any concession foods or whatever that you wanted.
Speaker 2: And my mom and I decided to go and we
Speaker 2: were gonna sprinkle in between turn four and start finish line,
Speaker 2: which you know, any racer probably understands. And I was
Speaker 2: going to the concession stands to get food and drink,
Speaker 2: and I was went back, and I've seen my dad
Speaker 2: lean against the fence. It's like one of those wood
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily a fence, it's more like railroad ties
Speaker 2: stacked on top of posts to make I guess it
Speaker 2: is kind of a rough fence. It's not going to
Speaker 2: keep anything else. But I've seen him lean on that
Speaker 2: thing hundreds of times over the Years's just you know,
Speaker 2: elbows down, hands tucked under. And he didn't look at me.
Speaker 2: But I saw him on my way back. He was
Speaker 2: just you know, wearing his favorite flannel button up, his
Speaker 2: white racing jeans, his racing hat, and I just stopped
Speaker 2: in the middle of a crowd of people coming back
Speaker 2: from the concession stands, and they probably thought it was
Speaker 2: mental And I just stared at him until a crowd
Speaker 2: of people walked in front of where he was standing,
Speaker 2: and when they moved finally out of way, he was
Speaker 2: on And uh. So I'm sitting there. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you can't cry. You can't cry because Mama asked why
Speaker 2: and she doesn't believe in any of this. So sitting
Speaker 2: there trying to wipe my eyes and not cry, and
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, he's come to me a couple of times.
Speaker 1: So then that's amazing.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 1: It's like he's in his happy place. And I mean,
Speaker 1: he clearly wanted you to see him, even though he
Speaker 1: didn't look at you.
Speaker 2: He was watching the races. He would never take his
Speaker 2: eyes off the cars and they were running, and so
Speaker 2: it didn't you know, it was so like him, so
Speaker 2: it just didn't. It didn't even really FaZe me that
Speaker 2: he didn't look up at me or anything. So but no,
Speaker 2: I think he knows wherever he is when I'm having
Speaker 2: a rough time, because he comes and visits. Oh that
Speaker 2: is so nice. And that's the only time I've seen
Speaker 2: him when I've been awake. I've seen him several more
Speaker 2: times since I've been asleep. Yeah, probably about a year
Speaker 2: after he passed, I was at a period where I
Speaker 2: was really questioning why I was on this moratal oil anymore.
Speaker 2: And he came to me in a dream and we
Speaker 2: were at a bus station and he was trying to
Speaker 2: put me in a bus and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: go because he was going to send me back to
Speaker 2: my mom. And one of the things that is really
Speaker 2: weird is that when I have these dreams about him,
Speaker 2: when he talks to me, his mouth never moves. I
Speaker 2: always can hear his voice. Interesting, And yeah, he was
Speaker 2: sending me back to my mom because he said that
Speaker 2: she needed me more. Wow. I just remember I had
Speaker 2: my nephew in the bed with me. He wasn't even
Speaker 2: a year old. I woke up crying, and like before
Speaker 2: I could even register what was going on, he woke
Speaker 2: up next to me and started wailing, and I never
Speaker 2: heard him cry like that. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: dear God, what did I start. I'm sorry. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's going to me a couple of times when I've
Speaker 2: been really really low, And the last time I wasn't asleep,
Speaker 2: but I didn't see him, and it startled me a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I think it was more because it
Speaker 2: messed with my motherhood instincts. My daughter started climbing out
Speaker 2: of bed like a crib at about fifteen or sixteen months,
Speaker 2: so she wasn't even two years old yet, and I
Speaker 2: made the decision, I'm gonna get her a bed because
Speaker 2: I don't want her to fall and hurt herself trying
Speaker 2: to climb up over out of a crib that the
Speaker 2: crib that I had. So I got her at bed,
Speaker 2: and her routine was normally she would climb upstairs because
Speaker 2: my room was in the upstairs and hers was in
Speaker 2: the downstairs, so she climbed the stairs in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night and she'd crawl into bed with me,
Speaker 2: which I didn't really mind as long as I was
Speaker 2: already asleep, I didn't care. So one night, I had
Speaker 2: just turned off my light and I was getting settled
Speaker 2: in and my habit is to listen to comedians on
Speaker 2: like Spotify or something like that before bed, just so
Speaker 2: that I focus on what someone else is saying and
Speaker 2: not all these things that are in my head. And
Speaker 2: I have a time for forty I've been instants off
Speaker 2: and I had just gotten comfortable. But you know that
Speaker 2: moha when you sink into bed and you're in just
Speaker 2: the right position, covers are perfect, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm good, now I can go to sleep. But I
Speaker 2: was not asleep. I heard my door open. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like close closed, but it was almost closed. So I
Speaker 2: heard it go across the carpet and gently bump the
Speaker 2: bookcase that was behind it, and then I heard it
Speaker 2: swing closed. Because my kid's obsessed, compulsive and she closes
Speaker 2: and opens everything, drawers, doors, you name it. And I
Speaker 2: heard her walk across the carpet and felt her climb
Speaker 2: the footboard of my bed and get on the bed.
Speaker 2: And then I felt something touch my leg and then
Speaker 2: when I moved my leg expecting it to like brush
Speaker 2: against her or push up against her, there was nothing there.
Speaker 2: So I like froze in fear because I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's going to take seconds for me to roll over
Speaker 2: and tap this like touch slamp that I have on
Speaker 2: my nightstand, and I don't this just this is weird.
Speaker 2: And then I felt the rub on my leg again
Speaker 2: and it wasn't like you know somebody's grabbing me violently
Speaker 2: or even inappropriately. It was just like a gentle squeeze,
Speaker 2: like you're doing it, You're okay, kind of reassuring, but
Speaker 2: it scared me because it couldn't feel the body it
Speaker 2: was attached to. Yeah, So I finally got up the courage.
Speaker 2: I rolled over, tap the light on, and just sat
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, okay, she's she's not in my bed.
Speaker 2: So I get down on my hands and knee and
Speaker 2: I look under my bed. She's not under my bed.
Speaker 2: I go downstairs. She's dead asleep in her bed, snoring.
Speaker 2: And I'm standing in the doorway going and she legitimately snores,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you were laying in bed and
Speaker 2: you felt this and you heard her snore over the monitor,
Speaker 2: and I just got the williest thinking about it standing there,
Speaker 2: So I went. I checked to make sure the dog
Speaker 2: and my mom were in her room and they work,
Speaker 2: because I was hoping me it was just the dog
Speaker 2: came in, jumped up, and then just left. But I'm
Speaker 2: just like, all right, now, it's going to take forever
Speaker 2: to fall asleep. And I was just sitting there and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it was scary because you thought it
Speaker 2: was your kid and it wasn't and you had that
Speaker 2: moment of start like where is she when you finally
Speaker 2: turned on the light. But everything is good. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a bad touch. It just startled you. And I was
Speaker 2: getting there, you know, like what's going on? And I'm like, okay, Dad,
Speaker 2: it's nice that you came to visit, but next time,
Speaker 2: don't touch me like that. Don't freak me out. Come
Speaker 2: to me in a dream where I can see you coming,
Speaker 2: you know. Like so, but yeah, that's probably been the
Speaker 2: most recent experience.
Speaker 1: But you definitely felt that it was him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once I calmed down, because you like, turn on
Speaker 2: the light and you think it's you think it's you know,
Speaker 2: I thought it was my my two year old, not
Speaker 2: even two year old daughter climbing in the bed with
Speaker 2: me and I turn on the light and she's not there. Well, A,
Speaker 2: what touched me? And b where is she? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's just that like panic, like okay, I gotta go
Speaker 2: see where she is, what she's doing. And then when
Speaker 2: I get down and I'm looking at her asleep in
Speaker 2: her bed snoring, and I'm like, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: were laying in bed this thing touched you and you
Speaker 2: can hear her snoring on the baby monitor. What's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? How did you not put this together faster?
Speaker 2: You know? So it just like, you know, I had
Speaker 2: that going on, and I was really stressed out about
Speaker 2: some other stuff with her dad, who's not in the picture.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been for a long time, and I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's it was just my dad coming to
Speaker 2: let me know. You know, everything may not be going
Speaker 2: the way you wanted to right now, but it's okay.
Speaker 2: You're healthy, she's healthy. Everything's fine. It'll work out, you know.
Speaker 3: God.
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