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Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Roz and you know, we have

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Speaker 1: a great show today. So I'm going to try to

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Speaker 1: Extravaganza on with the show. Hello, Liz, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I've been on pins and needles all morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's actually a surprise. I mean, that's that's inspiring

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Speaker 4: to the words, I'm going to see Mary Peterson today. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you know. So a few years ago I looked her up.

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Speaker 1: If do you think when did you see her again?

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Speaker 4: Summer of seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a possibility she was a ghost, or

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Speaker 1: do you think no, she was alive?

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Speaker 4: She was alive. I think I think I saw her

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Speaker 4: And I can give you her full name and you

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Speaker 1: Yea happened to her. But either way, like just waking

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Speaker 4: And it was this apartment and nothing like that has

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Speaker 1: So anywhere, So since then have you had have you

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Speaker 4: Not incontrovertible things like these. That was somebody's talking in

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Speaker 4: convince me that it was something that wasn't beyond this earth.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful for these things because now I

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Speaker 4: I don't have to fear death because there is more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a ghost in my house. Hello, Andy, how

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Speaker 3: I'm doing so good?

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Speaker 1: How are you great? Where are you? What part of

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Speaker 3: You're in La right or San Diego.

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Speaker 1: I'm in La at the moment, not too far from you.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Hisspaia, so like a third of the way

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Speaker 1: Oh, the desert.

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Speaker 3: The high desert.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen aliens? I love talking to desert people

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Speaker 3: No, but I am this is like my fourth year

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I was reading your email and it sounds

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Speaker 1: I've seen demons, I had a near death experience. Can

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Speaker 1: we just like, I've got questions, so can we? Can

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Speaker 1: we start with what happened to you? When you were young.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So oh man, it's kind of embarrassing

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Speaker 3: because when I was like four years old, my parents

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So so my cousin, he's like ten years older,

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Speaker 3: So that happened. And all I remember was like going

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Speaker 3: So luckily I'm here to tell the telle. And I

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you remember like physical pain

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Speaker 3: Nope, I don't remember any pain. I just remember going

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I really think that that it was in your death

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Speaker 3: I think that. I think that's how like I kept

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Speaker 3: That would happen very very often. And at some point

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Speaker 3: people will say when they're scared or see something like that,

438
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: their first instinct is to run out of bed and

439
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: get out of the room. Like I'm the complete opposite.

440
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: Like I would just like like lay there and stare

441
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: intensely wide eyed at like what was going on. And

442
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: I would see like a hand just come out of

443
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: the door and like long cloths just like I don't know,

444
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: caress the door, but like kind of like in a

445
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: very like threatening, like I'm going to get you type

446
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: of way.

447
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like a demon that knows what it's doing.

448
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Like it's like I know that if I go real slow,

449
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to creep you out exactly.

450
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: And so I was just like scared shitless was until

451
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: like I was just I would just watch until I

452
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: fell asleep. Like that's just how it went. And some days,

453
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: I swear I would wake up and the closet door

454
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: was just like just as much open as it was

455
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: when I was like experiencing that sometimes it would just

456
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: be closed. But ro's like I can reassure you that,

457
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: before I went to bed, knowing that I would experience

458
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: those nightmares, like I made sure that door was locked

459
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: or closed, you know, like closed all the way that

460
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 3: it wouldn't just like swing open by itself. So that

461
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: was just like that was so terrifying to me as

462
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: like a little four, five six year old kid, and

463
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: those stream those kind of nightmares just like kind of

464
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: progressed into like more emotional nightmares. It's so crazy. And

465
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: I think you've mentioned mentioned this before but about yourself too.

466
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: But my parents let me watch The Extressist when I

467
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: was like seven years old, and that was like at

468
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: my request. Some kid at schools like, you should watch

469
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: the ex It's like not even scary, it's like funny,

470
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: And I don't know what he's been watching, but nothing

471
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: in that movie was funny. But when I rented the movie,

472
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: did your parents rent it for your like? What how

473
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: did you?

474
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: I saw it? I saw it like a MC or TC,

475
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: like a cable edited version with like all the bad

476
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: words taken out and like replace, like how they used

477
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: to do that on cable, like replace the words the

478
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: famously it was your mother darn's socks in hell, right,

479
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: But then when I saw the I mean that was

480
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: still terrifying, nonetheless right.

481
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: Right, So like I don't know how or why my

482
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: parents just like it was my dad he obliged like, oh, yeah,

483
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: you're interested in the Exorcist, Like oh, when we watched

484
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: that when it first came out, like before having teasers

485
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: in the theater, like chery, I'll let you watch that.

486
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, he rented it for me, and like I

487
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: remember that night. My sisters were like I have an

488
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: older sister and a younger sister and they're like, no,

489
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: we do not want to watch this very movie. And

490
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: they happen to have a TV in their room. I

491
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: didn't have a TV in my room, so I watched

492
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: the movie alone in their room. And it was like

493
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: later in the afternoon, and I remember like when the

494
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: movie was ending, it was already like kind of dust,

495
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: like it was getting dark, and Rod was like, I

496
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: remember this so well. Like the bed that I was

497
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: on started violently shaking, like earthquake shaking, and like obviously,

498
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 3: like I got up and like I ran out to

499
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: the living room and I asked my mom if she

500
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: had felt the earthquake, and she like looked at me,

501
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? And I said to mom,

502
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: like the bed that it was just something just like shook,

503
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: like there was an earthquake, and and she was like, no,

504
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: there wasn't. You're probably just like imagining things like you're

505
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: watching that movie, like you're just you know, like typical

506
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: mom play it off, like you're just you're just thinking

507
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: you experienced something. But I swear I was like I'm

508
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: getting like flustered just thinking about it because I remember

509
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: that feeling of like the whole bed shaking, and like,

510
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was real. It happened, like

511
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: there's no down in my mind that it happened. And

512
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: that way, I.

513
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Think that when you watch a scary movie, you're obviously

514
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: like on alert and do you think that stuff like

515
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: that could happen, And it's possible your brain can play

516
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: tricks on you. But also if we're to believe that

517
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: demons or dark energies feed off of fear, if you're

518
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: already fearful, because of a movie or something you heard,

519
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: or having a podcast where you hear terrifying stories all

520
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: the time, you're gonna be fear in a fear like state,

521
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: and maybe a devid will latch onto that and and

522
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: it will know that You're going to think, oh, it's

523
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: only because I saw this movie, but it could be

524
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: real for sure.

525
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: No, right, I really think that that's what was going on.

526
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: And oh my gosh, I remember that night before I

527
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: went to bed, like I looked under my bed, I

528
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: looked in the closet like with the light, and sure

529
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: there was nobody or nothing in there. And and after that,

530
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: after I watched that movie, like the demon in my

531
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 3: nightmares kind of took the the form of Reagan from

532
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: the movie, like it just it just kind of got

533
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: a little like out of control. But at the same

534
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: time it was routine, like I started to expect it

535
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: to happen, so I guess it wasn't like as scary

536
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: after a couple years. The only thing I like, I

537
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: really remember changing that like made me like scared after

538
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: getting used to it is as I would just start

539
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: having this reoccurring dream that this demon thing like wo'd

540
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: be out on the street and it was like pitch dark,

541
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: like the street lights didn't work like that, it would

542
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: kidnap my sisters. I don't know, that's still like weird,

543
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: like the demon kid at my sisters, But I like

544
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: I knew that the demon took my sisters in the nightmare,

545
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: and it would just like laugh at me with like

546
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: sharp teeth and say like it's going to get me next.

547
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: And then I would wake up and the progression instead

548
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: of like seeing things is I would hear something like

549
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: call and whisper mining from the closet and it was

550
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: just like a you know, just like hawing in mind.

551
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like getting chills, and I would just

552
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: like yeah, And I like, as I'm as I'm thinking

553
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: about this, I'm thinking, how come I never like ran

554
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: and told my parents or my sisters about this, And

555
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: I just I really think that they would have just

556
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: like brushed me off. My parents and my sisters just

557
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: don't believe in like the spiritual realm and the paranormal.

558
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: So I just I just didn't find that like to

559
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: be an option. But yeah, that's that pretty much sums

560
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: up like my experiences in that house. I really do

561
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: think that there was an like an entity or a

562
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: spirit or something kind of evil, because that it never

563
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: felt like like an easygoing thing. You know, it made

564
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: its presence known to me after I experienced that ner

565
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: death experience, and I think it knew that I could

566
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: see it and hear it, and it was terrifying. And

567
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 3: I think it's it's worth noting that while we lived

568
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: in that house, there were a couple other weird things

569
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: that happened that, like, you know, I can't attribute to

570
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: it be because of that, but I mean, when bad

571
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: things happen, like I assume that it's because of a

572
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: bad energy or a bad presence, right, And so that house,

573
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: luckily no one was at the house, but someone did

574
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: break into that house at some point, and like it's Pomona,

575
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: like no nothing like valuable hiding in our house. And

576
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: also somehow, like we love our animals, We've always loved

577
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: our enemies in our house, and somehow our little Chiwaba

578
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: got out one night to the front yard and she

579
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: was like multi by like a pack of like three

580
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: big dogs brought like right in front of our yard.

581
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: I know it was it was so sad and like

582
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: it was so random that like she got out, like

583
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: she was just always with us, you know. And one

584
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 3: last thing that I'll never forget is one there was

585
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 3: like a tall light post in front of our house,

586
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: and one night, some like thugs rammed their car into

587
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: that light post, and the light post like fell straight

588
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: towards our house. And luckily, our front yard is very long,

589
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: so I never like hit the house, but I just

590
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: remember looking like outside the blinds and like looking at

591
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: these guys, like the police luckily got there very quickly,

592
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: but looking at these guys, and there was just like

593
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 3: something very like very like weird and malevolent about them.

594
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: And I don't know, like I just think back and

595
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: I grouped this all together, and it could be that

596
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: is just random people that crashed into our house, but I, like,

597
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: I look back and I think that it all had

598
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: to do with this negative energy in this house.

599
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: So I think that's definitely possible. Have you had ghost

600
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: experiences like with human ghosts?

601
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 5: I have.

602
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we moved out of that house when I

603
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: was about twelve, and for many many years, like through

604
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: my teens, I didn't experience like anything close to actually

605
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: anything that resembled what I experienced at that house. So

606
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: that's why I believe that there was something specifically like

607
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: going on at the house, because once we got out,

608
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: I didn't experience anything like that. I started what I

609
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: believe like seeing ghosts or like human spirits around when

610
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: I was like in high school, because when both of

611
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: my grandmothers and grandmothers passed away, I know that they

612
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: came to me in my dreams, Like I have no

613
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind that they came to me in

614
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: my dream in my dreams after they passed, just to

615
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: reassure me that they were in an okay place. And

616
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: I wrote a couple of books here, but like to me,

617
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: like I've started to realize around that time and as

618
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: an adult that like there's a difference between a paranormal

619
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: experience and like a MyD trick. And the way I

620
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: know for myself that it's a different experience is that

621
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: when I have a paranormal experience like my grandmother's coming

622
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: to me in my sleep or when I've had what

623
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: most people would call sleep paralysis, is I have like

624
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: a physiological response to it, Like if I have a

625
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: paranormal experience, I like I ended up like tearing up often,

626
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: or my body just feels different as to when like oh, like,

627
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: did I just see that? You know, when I'm like

628
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: questioning if it was a my trick, And to me,

629
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: that's how I know it's different. Around the time when

630
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 3: I turned eighteen, I began to like, you know, become

631
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: a social butterfly and started going out a lot. And

632
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: my parents were kind of strict with us, and they

633
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: didn't like us staying out late or going out partying

634
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: or like any parent, but they were they were honestly,

635
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 3: they were very strict, and so I was a little defiant,

636
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, I was like a little a whole to them,

637
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: and I think that I was inviting like negative energy

638
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: and negative people into my life. And that's when I

639
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: started having serious sleep paralysis. And what's funny is I

640
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: listened to the podcast and you mentioned it a lot,

641
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of people, guess have mentioned that they

642
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: have to sleep paralysis only when they sleep on their back.

643
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: But I only have sleep process when I'm sleeping on

644
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: my side. I've never had it on my back, So

645
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: that's kind of weird because hearing that everyone else has

646
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: it on their back is like, whoa, that's kind of

647
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: creepy because I don't, I know, I hear it.

648
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I hear it on the side too. I hear it

649
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: the least on when people sleep on their stomach, but

650
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: I have honestly, I keep hearing it all different ways.

651
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: So I want to do something fun. I've never done this,

652
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: but I think you want to listen to some EVPs

653
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: in me.

654
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: Roz, you're gonna like me to do this.

655
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

656
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, let's do it. I've never done it with listeners,

657
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: but let's do it right now. Ev oor ev please.

658
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: I've just been thinking about how we should why not? Okay,

659
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do this. This one. I found it YouTube.

660
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: It's from Joseph Fontaine and it is at a It

661
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: just says it's at a residence in Rhode Island. It's

662
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: at some haunted house. What do you hear this ghost saying? Okay, wait,

663
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: let's jay again. Oh my gosh, could you hear anything?

664
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear something in the lines of like that's

665
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: something I want to run away, something like that or

666
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: here I'll.

667
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Put run away. Yeah.

668
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: It's definitely like a sentence or like a couple of words. Okay,

669
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: here's some options. Is it A It's all up to you.

670
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: B that's so not cool. See it's all downhill or

671
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: d what's that pu?

672
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: I don't know.

673
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they smelled something bad action, See it's all downhill.

674
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: It's actually they believe it's a it's all up to you.

675
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I hear it. Well, okay, so then I'll read you more.

676
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: It says that they captured this at a home with

677
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: reoccurring intense negative paranormal activity. Many have blessed and cleansed

678
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: the home, but still the negative spirits prevail. Although the

679
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: voice you are hearing is not a malicious spirit, we

680
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: believe it is someone else warning us that we should

681
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: not give up on saving the home by speaking this message.

682
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: So I guess it's a good spirit being like it's

683
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: all up to you to get these bad ones out. Yeah,

684
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too, Hi Jan where are you?

685
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: Hi? Ros? I live in south central Minnesota.

686
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: I guess WHOA.

687
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really rural, Harrol.

688
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I was hearing about how you've

689
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: had some like premonition dreams. What is going on with that?

690
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really know. As far as I know,

691
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: It's not like a past from one generation thing. It

692
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: just kind of started happening to me when I was

693
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: probably around nine or ten, and I didn't know what

694
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: it was, and unfortunately, the first person I asked, what

695
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: you know this is about? And I explained kind of

696
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: made the whole situation very negative. So I just didn't

697
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot and just kind of tried

698
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: to ignore it and move on with life as best

699
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: as I could. But I think I was about sixteen

700
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: seventeen where I kind of started to have more of

701
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: a curiosity, like this can't be normal, and started doing

702
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: some digging around on the internet and discovered that I've

703
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: been having what's called precognitive dreams, where you'll dream about

704
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: the event, and then you'll be going about your daily

705
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: life and all of a sudden, a sound or something

706
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: you see just triggers. It's almost like a memory, but

707
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: it's not you remember dreaming it, not doing it, if

708
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So the one I talked to you

709
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: about in my email was it was about nine ten,

710
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: came home from the races with my family and there

711
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: was this just weird shrieking going on in the dark.

712
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's probably eleven o'clock at night, and we

713
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out what it was. My mom gets the

714
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: flashlight turns on the porch lights, and right at the

715
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: time where she's like getting brave and going to look

716
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: underneath the deck, I just I literally hit my knees

717
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: because it was like I just lost my balance kind

718
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: of almost. It felt like that sensation you get when

719
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: you're like seasick or you have some sort of inner

720
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 2: ear imbalance. You just like can't find your body, can't

721
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: find like the horizon kind of thing. And I just

722
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: had this like flash of what my mom was going

723
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: to say, what had happened. Like I saw all the

724
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: next couple of minutes, and I was like, I remember

725
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: dreaming this. I remember dreaming it, because when I woke up,

726
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: I thought that was weird. And I just thought I

727
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: was a weird dream and just went on with my life.

728
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: And then come home six months almost a year later,

729
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: and it happened, and my cat had got itself wound

730
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: in these outdoor blinds, the cords, and if we'd come

731
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: home any later, she probably would have choked herself to death, basical.

732
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: And so she was the one that was streaking. That

733
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: was not streaking shrieking.

734
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the cat. Like a cat's screaming. It

735
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: sounds remarkably like a woman sometimes, especially if they're like

736
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: super panicked. And I didn't realize that until Gosh. I

737
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: think I was watching a nature documentary when I was

738
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: a teenager and I was like, oh, I've heard a

739
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: sound like that before. It's a cat. And I'm just like, yep,

740
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: that's right, because I continued to watch because of that.

741
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: So you had a dream that, I mean, so it

742
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: sounds like you had this like premonition that you're going

743
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: to have to that when you hear this sound, it's

744
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: going to be something that is going to need attention, right,

745
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm like it was. It was something that that was helpful, right, azing.

746
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: In an instance, yeah, it was. But sometimes they're just

747
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: pretty generic, like I'm just like, I know I dreamt this,

748
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: but I don't know why I dreamt this, because there's

749
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: no real purpose to this dream. An example would be

750
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: getting on the bus at prom and seeing the pattern

751
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: of the carpet and just knowing what was going to

752
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: happen for the rest of the night. Nothing big happened,

753
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: nothing important happened, but I remember that you know this

754
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: is going to happen between these two people. These people

755
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: are going to dance, these people are going to end

756
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: up together and we're all going to have generally a

757
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: good time, you know. And on another instance, just driving

758
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: down the road, I saw this little hill with a tree,

759
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: a big, gigantic tree, and just had that sensation like

760
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: been here before. I know I've been here before, but

761
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: I've never driven or lived anywhere near here before. So

762
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: it's just weird little stuff like that. It's never anything major,

763
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: like oh so and so is going to get murdered,

764
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: and this is who did it? You know, nothing that

765
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: could solve a crime or helping a person.

766
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: Well, it's very like Final Destination. Did you ever see

767
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: those movies?

768
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: Oh?

769
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're creepy. They're very creepy. I think I stopped

770
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: watching after the third one.

771
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first. I always think about that plane crash

772
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: of the first one, where he like kind of sees

773
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: it happening and then it happens. I don't know what

774
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: I would do if I had a dream like that.

775
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do if I saw

776
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 2: something like that either. I've always wondered, because, like I said,

777
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: it kind of got a love hate, mostly hate relationship

778
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: with sleep. So at least I have until maybe about

779
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 2: three or four years ago, when I had a kid

780
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: and I was a single mom, and it's just like

781
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 2: sleep his life because I can't survive without it.

782
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. What what was the story about moving into an

783
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: old farmhouse with a shadow man?

784
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: Well?

785
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: When I was I think so, Yeah, I just turned seventeen.

786
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: My dad and mom decided that they wanted to move,

787
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: which is fine because I didn't really other than like

788
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: one or two friends, I didn't really care for where

789
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: we lived anyway. It was just all I knew, and

790
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: so we moved like four hours from Wisconsin to Minnesota

791
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: in January. I wouldn't recommend, especially not here. And I

792
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: was really excited because when we went to look at

793
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: this house, I believe it was November, just before right

794
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: around Thanksgiving, and I was obsessed. It was like my

795
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: dream vision of the kind of house that I wanted,

796
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: and we were waiting and I just couldn't wait to

797
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: get in and look at this house. So when my

798
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: parents finally you got it, everything was settled and we

799
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: were all stept to move, I was really excited. I

800
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: didn't care that I had to drive forty five minutes

801
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: to an hour to a grocery store, half an hour

802
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: to school. I didn't care. I was just I wanted

803
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: to be in this house. And so we get there

804
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: and my dad's an over the road truck driver at

805
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: this time, and my mom was working. She hasn't started

806
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: working yet. So I go to school for the first week,

807
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: and that's a entire like culture shock compared to what

808
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 2: I was used to. And my sister was not on

809
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: point with this booth. She didn't like the idea of

810
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 2: it all. She wanted to stay with her best friend

811
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: finish out school year, and then start fresh at the

812
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: beginning of the school year. So she was back in

813
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: my hometown, I guess you could say. And my mom

814
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: had the plans to go pick her up so she

815
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: could come in and pack her room and pick up

816
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 2: my best friend since she was basically on the way,

817
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: and then then you know, she would take them back

818
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: on Sunday afternoon or whatever. So Friday, when I got

819
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: home from school, I was the only one there for

820
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: the first time alone in the house, and who was

821
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: just God, I'm going to age myself a lot here.

822
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: I was on ice you talking to friends back in

823
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: the dial of days, and I got up because I

824
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 2: wanted to get a drink. And this house is basically

825
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: a rectangular box, and all the rooms connected in the

826
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: very center, and there were still worse to close off

827
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: certain rooms. That's how they used to keep rooms hot

828
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: and cold in the winter and the days before air

829
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: conditioning and central heating. And I was walking from the

830
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: study where our computer was, and it was through like

831
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: a little entryway, or not an entryway, but a little

832
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: the meeting point where all the rooms came together on

833
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: the main floor, and off to the left is the stairways.

834
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: You go up a flight, there's a big window in

835
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: the landing you turn to you go up another eather

836
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: so steps to a foyer. That was the word. I

837
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: was looking for a foyer. And I was going to

838
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: go walk past the stairs and into the kitchen, which

839
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: was straight ahead of me. And as I was walking

840
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: past the stairs, a movement in my left peripheral caught

841
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: my attention, so I stopped, and I turned and I looked,

842
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: expecting to see our little recked carrier on the top

843
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: of the steps, you know, like whining. She didn't want

844
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: to come down because that was kind of like one

845
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: of her things should go upstairs really easy, but she

846
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: wanted to carry her down normally, that big flight of

847
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: stairs but it was not the dog. It was a

848
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 2: reflection in the window of the landing of someone standing

849
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: at the top of the stairs, and there was no details.

850
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: It was just completely black, like you couldn't see through it.

851
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: You could see the light of the lamp eliminating like

852
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: the outline of this person and judging by the height

853
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: because I investigated afterwards, like I put my hands where

854
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: I assumed the head was, and I'm five six and

855
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: it was probably at least a foot taller than I am,

856
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: and it was wide, like you know, it had like

857
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: a man's built even though I couldn't see features or hair,

858
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: clothes or anything. And I just stared, like an absolute

859
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: horrified shock because I curious about the supernatural before, but

860
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: I'd never really had anything of this magnitude happened to me.

861
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: And I felt like I was in the staring contest,

862
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: and if I looked away first, something bad was going

863
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: to happen. So like my gut hurt, and it was

864
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: telling me, you know, you can't run away. If you

865
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: run away, whatever, this is going to think your prey

866
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: and it's fair name to fuck with you. Excuse my friend.

867
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thought.

868
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: And I just like I I don't. It was just

869
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: an instinct, and it like almost hurt because it was

870
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 2: locking me in place like that instinct, don't move, don't

871
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: drop eye contact. And it makes sense because a lot

872
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: of you know, Themmalian predators are that way, like if

873
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: you run away or if you drop eye contact, or

874
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: if you make eye contact, you're basically initiating a dominance battle.

875
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: So right, well for you, especially at such a young age,

876
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: to like pick up on that and stand your ground.

877
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: Like I said, it was pure bodily instinct. And you know,

878
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: I kind of grew up in the fringe, not quite

879
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: the country where farming happens or the forests, and not

880
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: quite in town, like on the edge. So I am

881
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: just enough about wildlife and nature not to you know,

882
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: hurt myself too badly. So we did. We did have

883
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: bears a little bit in our air. We did have

884
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of knowledge about what to do if

885
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: you see a bear, right, but this was not anything physically.

886
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's physical or anything, but it

887
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: freaked me out enough that instinct just kind of took over.

888
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: So I'm standing there having this staring contest. I call

889
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: him a shadow man. I don't know if he was

890
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: actually what you would consider a shadow person, or if

891
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: it was just something kind of benevolent or a little

892
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: malicious and just didn't want me to know what it

893
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: looked like it was trying to scare me. But I

894
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: was staring at it and like locked frozen instinctually, and

895
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: of all the time, I'm just like, you know what,

896
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna grab me hughes and I'm out of here.

897
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: I'll just drive around until I know my mom's going

898
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: to be home, whatever I have to do, you know,

899
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: Because I didn't have friends, I could just drop in

900
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: on my new friends I've known for a week, so

901
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: like most of them, I didn't even know where they lived.

902
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: And the phone rang, and I swear I must have

903
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: had a miniature heart attack because I'm staring at something

904
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: that scares me. And then the sound just out of nowhere,

905
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: and it was like one of those old rotary phones

906
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: that's super loud. So I jumped backwards, snapped my head

907
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: towards the kitchen, thinking they're you know, what was that?

908
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: And then when I looked back, it was gone. And

909
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: I was just literally like vibrating from the adrenaline, and

910
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my god, I don't know what I'm

911
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: gonna do now, and I'm trying not to freak out.

912
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: My mom's on the phone telling me they took a

913
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: wrong turn so they're gonna be even longer, and I'm

914
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: just trying not to let her know that I'm panicking

915
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: and freaked out.

916
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 6: Home alone. So I did what any sane person would

917
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 6: in that situation. Not I closed all the doors to

918
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 6: the stairway, turned on all the lights, turned on the TV,

919
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 6: and turned the volume as loud as I could stand,

920
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 6: because if there was anything going on upstairs, I didn't

921
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 6: want to hear it. I was not going to investigate alone.

922
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, you were telling me that you've had like not scary,

923
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: like not as scary, like a happy family ones. Could

924
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: you share some of those two?

925
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that house was definitely the more scary one. My

926
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: dad passed in twenty ten of pulmonary embolism, and it,

927
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: oh wow, really made me restructure my entire universe after that,

928
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: And it was really hard because if I had a

929
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: question or I didn't know how to do something, I

930
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: could ask him and he would tell me either how

931
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: to do it, how to go about doing it, or

932
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: who to talk about two to get something, you know,

933
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: like he was the guy. He was my Google, my

934
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: person Google.

935
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so all of a sudden, I am planning

936
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 5: a memorial service because my mom is just soble and

937
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 5: she doesn't know.

938
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: How to do any of this. And my sister, yes,

939
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 2: she was upset, but you know, it was her problems

940
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: kind of the way it felt. So I had spent

941
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: a lot of nights after that in my room grieving

942
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: quietly by myself, cold, always cold. I had to sleep

943
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: with earbuds in, with music flame just to shut my

944
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: brain off. And I know there was several nights like

945
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: that where I would just I never saw anything, but

946
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: I could just feel his presence and it was warm,

947
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: like he was trying to be comforting. And then that

948
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: that happened in March and very early summer, my mom

949
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: and I decided we were moving, and one of the

950
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: things that we wanted to do is we wanted to

951
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: go to Fort Snowing where his parents are buried, and

952
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: surreptitiously and secretly leave a little bit of his cremations

953
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: with his parents. And the other place that we decided

954
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 2: that we wanted to do that before we left the

955
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 2: area was the speedway that my dad went to all

956
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: the time. I kind of grew up on the racetrack

957
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: because he was really into that until he got into trucking.

958
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: And they were having a free race, a free fans night,

959
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: so the races were free. All you had to do

960
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: is pay for any concession foods or whatever that you wanted.

961
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: And my mom and I decided to go and we

962
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 2: were gonna sprinkle in between turn four and start finish line,

963
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: which you know, any racer probably understands. And I was

964
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: going to the concession stands to get food and drink,

965
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: and I was went back, and I've seen my dad

966
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: lean against the fence. It's like one of those wood

967
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily a fence, it's more like railroad ties

968
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: stacked on top of posts to make I guess it

969
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: is kind of a rough fence. It's not going to

970
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: keep anything else. But I've seen him lean on that

971
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: thing hundreds of times over the Years's just you know,

972
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: elbows down, hands tucked under. And he didn't look at me.

973
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: But I saw him on my way back. He was

974
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: just you know, wearing his favorite flannel button up, his

975
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: white racing jeans, his racing hat, and I just stopped

976
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: in the middle of a crowd of people coming back

977
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: from the concession stands, and they probably thought it was

978
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,959
Speaker 2: mental And I just stared at him until a crowd

979
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: of people walked in front of where he was standing,

980
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: and when they moved finally out of way, he was

981
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: on And uh. So I'm sitting there. I'm like, Okay,

982
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 2: you can't cry. You can't cry because Mama asked why

983
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: and she doesn't believe in any of this. So sitting

984
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: there trying to wipe my eyes and not cry, and

985
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, he's come to me a couple of times.

986
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: So then that's amazing.

987
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 6: Though.

988
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: It's like he's in his happy place. And I mean,

989
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: he clearly wanted you to see him, even though he

990
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: didn't look at you.

991
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: He was watching the races. He would never take his

992
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: eyes off the cars and they were running, and so

993
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: it didn't you know, it was so like him, so

994
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: it just didn't. It didn't even really FaZe me that

995
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: he didn't look up at me or anything. So but no,

996
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: I think he knows wherever he is when I'm having

997
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: a rough time, because he comes and visits. Oh that

998
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: is so nice. And that's the only time I've seen

999
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: him when I've been awake. I've seen him several more

1000
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: times since I've been asleep. Yeah, probably about a year

1001
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: after he passed, I was at a period where I

1002
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: was really questioning why I was on this moratal oil anymore.

1003
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: And he came to me in a dream and we

1004
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: were at a bus station and he was trying to

1005
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: put me in a bus and I didn't want to

1006
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: go because he was going to send me back to

1007
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: my mom. And one of the things that is really

1008
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: weird is that when I have these dreams about him,

1009
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: when he talks to me, his mouth never moves. I

1010
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: always can hear his voice. Interesting, And yeah, he was

1011
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: sending me back to my mom because he said that

1012
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 2: she needed me more. Wow. I just remember I had

1013
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: my nephew in the bed with me. He wasn't even

1014
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: a year old. I woke up crying, and like before

1015
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 2: I could even register what was going on, he woke

1016
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,439
Speaker 2: up next to me and started wailing, and I never

1017
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: heard him cry like that. I was just like, oh,

1018
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 2: dear God, what did I start. I'm sorry. So, yeah,

1019
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: he's going to me a couple of times when I've

1020
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: been really really low, And the last time I wasn't asleep,

1021
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: but I didn't see him, and it startled me a

1022
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: little bit, and I think it was more because it

1023
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 2: messed with my motherhood instincts. My daughter started climbing out

1024
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: of bed like a crib at about fifteen or sixteen months,

1025
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: so she wasn't even two years old yet, and I

1026
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: made the decision, I'm gonna get her a bed because

1027
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't want her to fall and hurt herself trying

1028
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: to climb up over out of a crib that the

1029
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: crib that I had. So I got her at bed,

1030
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: and her routine was normally she would climb upstairs because

1031
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: my room was in the upstairs and hers was in

1032
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: the downstairs, so she climbed the stairs in the middle

1033
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 2: of the night and she'd crawl into bed with me,

1034
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: which I didn't really mind as long as I was

1035
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: already asleep, I didn't care. So one night, I had

1036
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: just turned off my light and I was getting settled

1037
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: in and my habit is to listen to comedians on

1038
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: like Spotify or something like that before bed, just so

1039
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: that I focus on what someone else is saying and

1040
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: not all these things that are in my head. And

1041
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: I have a time for forty I've been instants off

1042
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: and I had just gotten comfortable. But you know that

1043
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: moha when you sink into bed and you're in just

1044
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,959
Speaker 2: the right position, covers are perfect, and you're like, okay,

1045
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm good, now I can go to sleep. But I

1046
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: was not asleep. I heard my door open. It wasn't

1047
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: like close closed, but it was almost closed. So I

1048
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: heard it go across the carpet and gently bump the

1049
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: bookcase that was behind it, and then I heard it

1050
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: swing closed. Because my kid's obsessed, compulsive and she closes

1051
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: and opens everything, drawers, doors, you name it. And I

1052
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: heard her walk across the carpet and felt her climb

1053
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: the footboard of my bed and get on the bed.

1054
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: And then I felt something touch my leg and then

1055
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: when I moved my leg expecting it to like brush

1056
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: against her or push up against her, there was nothing there.

1057
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: So I like froze in fear because I'm just like, oh,

1058
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,439
Speaker 2: it's going to take seconds for me to roll over

1059
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: and tap this like touch slamp that I have on

1060
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: my nightstand, and I don't this just this is weird.

1061
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: And then I felt the rub on my leg again

1062
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: and it wasn't like you know somebody's grabbing me violently

1063
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: or even inappropriately. It was just like a gentle squeeze,

1064
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: like you're doing it, You're okay, kind of reassuring, but

1065
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: it scared me because it couldn't feel the body it

1066
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: was attached to. Yeah, So I finally got up the courage.

1067
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: I rolled over, tap the light on, and just sat

1068
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, okay, she's she's not in my bed.

1069
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: So I get down on my hands and knee and

1070
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: I look under my bed. She's not under my bed.

1071
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: I go downstairs. She's dead asleep in her bed, snoring.

1072
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: And I'm standing in the doorway going and she legitimately snores,

1073
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, you were laying in bed and

1074
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: you felt this and you heard her snore over the monitor,

1075
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: and I just got the williest thinking about it standing there,

1076
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: So I went. I checked to make sure the dog

1077
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: and my mom were in her room and they work,

1078
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: because I was hoping me it was just the dog

1079
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: came in, jumped up, and then just left. But I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, all right, now, it's going to take forever

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Speaker 2: to fall asleep. And I was just sitting there and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, it was scary because you thought it

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Speaker 2: was your kid and it wasn't and you had that

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 2: moment of start like where is she when you finally

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: turned on the light. But everything is good. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: a bad touch. It just startled you. And I was

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: getting there, you know, like what's going on? And I'm like, okay, Dad,

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Speaker 2: it's nice that you came to visit, but next time,

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Speaker 2: don't touch me like that. Don't freak me out. Come

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Speaker 2: to me in a dream where I can see you coming,

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Speaker 2: you know. Like so, but yeah, that's probably been the

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Speaker 2: most recent experience.

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Speaker 1: But you definitely felt that it was him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, once I calmed down, because you like, turn on

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Speaker 2: the light and you think it's you think it's you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was my my two year old, not

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Speaker 2: even two year old daughter climbing in the bed with

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Speaker 2: me and I turn on the light and she's not there. Well, A,

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Speaker 2: what touched me? And b where is she? Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: it's just that like panic, like okay, I gotta go

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Speaker 2: see where she is, what she's doing. And then when

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Speaker 2: I get down and I'm looking at her asleep in

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Speaker 2: her bed snoring, and I'm like, oh my god, you

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01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: were laying in bed this thing touched you and you

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Speaker 2: can hear her snoring on the baby monitor. What's wrong

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Speaker 2: with you? How did you not put this together faster?

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: You know? So it just like, you know, I had

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01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: that going on, and I was really stressed out about

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Speaker 2: some other stuff with her dad, who's not in the picture.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't been for a long time, and I'm just like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's it was just my dad coming to

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Speaker 2: let me know. You know, everything may not be going

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Speaker 2: the way you wanted to right now, but it's okay.

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Speaker 2: You're healthy, she's healthy. Everything's fine. It'll work out, you know.

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Speaker 3: God.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you guys still have

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Speaker 1: that connection, all right. Special thank you to this month's listeners.

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Speaker 1: We had Liz, Andy and Jennifer. If you want to

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Speaker 1: a scary nightmare slash sleep paralysis story, go to patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com slash ros dress fleas in my second tier.

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Speaker 1: on there my first tier. I'm Patreon and again I

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Speaker 1: hope you can join us for our little two year celebration.

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Speaker 1: Roz dress Fales and we're doing that this Saturday, the

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Speaker 1: I am also on really all the places Instagram, Tic

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Speaker 1: and the Facebook group ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Venmo, at Queen Roz. I am literally everywhere

1141
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Speaker 1: that there's so many ways to get a hold of me.

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Speaker 1: So I love you guys so much, and I love

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Speaker 1: hearing from you, and I so so appreciate you. We

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Speaker 1: did it. We made it to two years and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna here's to two more. So thank you, guys. I

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Speaker 1: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Hyar Star,

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