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Speaker 1: Episode fourteen on Daniel Boone was originally released on August eleventh,

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Speaker 1: It was our first deep dive series into American history.

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Speaker 1: There was some identity stuff going on too. Inside the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It was this a history podcast? Was this modern American

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Speaker 1: I honestly didn't know if people would like this series,

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Speaker 1: A whole bunch of other historical series that we've all

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy Daniel Boone Foundations of an American archetype.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, this is Phil Clay wanted me to remind

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Speaker 4: So, as a storyteller, as a marketer, as a brander,

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Speaker 5: He wants to be just like Daniel Boone.

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Speaker 1: On this episode of the Bear Grease Podcast, will be

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Speaker 1: We're talking about one of America's first heroes, Daniel Boone.

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Speaker 1: The Action Adventure series Daniel Boone ran on television from

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Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good example because what I

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Speaker 1: And that's what's wild about Boone is it was clear

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Speaker 1: Daniel's brother, Samuel, was born in seventeen twenty eight. According

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Speaker 1: which was ten or twelve miles above Point Pleasant. It

436
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: was frosty weather and the leaves were falling. About the

437
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: second morning, a foggy morning, my father went off, leaving

438
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: me alone at the camp. A large fine buck came

439
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: within twenty or twenty five steps of camp. I seized

440
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: my small rifle. This was not my little bird rifle,

441
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: which used a ball about the size of a buckshot,

442
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: that one I used to kill birds and squirrels near

443
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: Crooked Creek back of Point Pleasant. This larger rifle was

444
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: made by my father and William Arbuckle, a gunsmith, I

445
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: rested his gun against one of the camp posts and fired,

446
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: but the deer ran off. Father heard the shot and

447
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: returned to camp. He asked me to point out where

448
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: the deer stood. There he found hair which the ball

449
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: had cut off. Then he followed the trail found blood.

450
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: Sixty or eighty yard guards. Further, he found the dead deer.

451
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: This was the first deer I ever killed. But my

452
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: father didn't leave me at camp anymore. He took me

453
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: with him two or three times and pointed out deer,

454
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: then showed me how to manage to get off shots.

455
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: I was not to move or attempt to steal up

456
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: on the deer when his head was up and chewing,

457
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: and when he was looking around, but to do so

458
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: when his head was down feeding and could not so

459
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: well see me. Following this advice, I killed one or

460
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: two other deer during this hunt. While we were together.

461
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: My father shot a bear and one or two others

462
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: when he was alone.

463
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: The first day.

464
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: From these two or three bear we saved all the meat,

465
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: and of the ten or fifteen deer, we saved the

466
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: best hindquarters. On the fifth night, about midnight, I had

467
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: been asleep for some time, but my father Daniel Boone

468
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: heard a chopping or hacking some distance above and across

469
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: the river. He awakened me, and he told me he

470
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: thought the noise was made by Indians, as he thought

471
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: it was made by their hatchet. He concluded that Indians

472
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: had probably seen the fire at our camp and were

473
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: making a raft to cross. We carried meat and skins

474
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: to our canoe, which was twenty five yards from camp,

475
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: and returned to our fire again. The night was clear

476
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: and frosty and a little foggy, so we remained at

477
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: our fire with our blankets for some time. After the

478
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: chopping ceased. We then went to our canoe. There we

479
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: stayed some ten minutes until we heard the Indians paddling

480
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: in the water. At that time we pushed off, and

481
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: Father ordered me to roll his blanket around myself and

482
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: lie down in the canoe. He sat in the stern,

483
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: put the paddle carefully in the water, and then gave

484
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: a push. We went forward noiselessly and were soon in

485
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the main current, which washed us down the river. On

486
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: the way, Father put his head over the canoe close

487
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: to the water, and he said he thought he could

488
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: catch a glimpse of the Indians he had looked between

489
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: the surface of the water and the fog which did

490
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: not quite reach the water, and soon we were beyond harm.

491
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: Stream escapes and the kid says, his kid says, in

492
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 5: that moment, I kind of understood the fear that that

493
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: man lived.

494
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: With his whole life.

495
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: So here you have like interviews with his kids talking

496
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: about his like analyzing the guy's emotional state. We don't

497
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: have that one of Boon's hunting partners. All we know

498
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: is like basically he got killed, want of dying in

499
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 5: a hollow tree and the story m hm. But with him, man,

500
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: we got all the goods. Yeah, almost too many goods

501
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 5: because there's a lot as you know, there's people that

502
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 5: are always bringing an artifact, Oh, this is Boone's gone,

503
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 5: this is Boone's hatchet, you know, it's all hogwash.

504
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Well, when Boone was in his mid fifties, this is

505
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: this is what I've calculated. When Boone was in his

506
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: mid fifties was when the first biography that included well

507
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't a full biography, but a guy came down

508
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and interviewed him and included him in this book that

509
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: went global, and it was about the American frontier. So

510
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: was it a combination that the eyes of the world

511
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: were on this boundary between the American colonies and this

512
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: vast frontier that we knew nothing about. I mean, this

513
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: was like the spot in the world that people were

514
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: interested in. And then this guy wrote and it was

515
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: included in part of this book. This guy wrote this

516
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: included Boone, and then all of a sudden, everybody's eyes

517
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: were on Boone.

518
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Sure, and he was mythologized first.

519
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny because like the first treatments of

520
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: him were overblown mythologizing. Yeah, you know, guys like him

521
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: and Davy Crockhead the same thing, like people like like

522
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: the Lump, these guys that got very different people ye,

523
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: born far apart, very you know, just very different. But

524
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 5: they're both hunters and they're both frontiers went to some extent,

525
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 5: but they both had this thing where they were living

526
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: with people telling crazy stories about them that weren't even true. Yeah,

527
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 5: he became later historians based on this infatuation with these

528
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 5: guys of these like superhuman individuals, you know, based on

529
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: the historians later kind of like a type of book

530
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: that would later be written about Boone was sorting out

531
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 5: fact from fiction fiction the man from the Legend, and

532
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: that became a whole you know, subgenre of Boone literature

533
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: is when people stopped and been like, okay, obviously that's

534
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 5: all both, but what was this guy like?

535
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 6: Like?

536
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, what really was he like? And then when you

537
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: look at what he really was like, it's more interesting

538
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: than the mythologized version.

539
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: There have been around ten legitimate Boone biographies written over

540
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: the last two hundred years, and they're still being written today. However,

541
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: one stands out to many, including Steve Brunella, as the

542
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Bible of Boone biographies, and it's simply titled Boone. It's

543
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: written by Cornell University professor Sir Robert Morgan. I was

544
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: unsure if mister Morgan was still professionally active, but I

545
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: reached out to him and was delighted when he responded

546
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: back within a few hours, inviting me to his home

547
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: in New York. Mister Morgan is in his mid seventies

548
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: and has dedicated his life to writing on the Appalachian

549
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: region in which he grew up. He's a New York

550
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: Times best selling author who calls himself a poet that

551
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: writes some fiction. Poets are a unique lot. They're often

552
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: introspective and unusually contemplative. Sometimes you meet someone with a

553
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: spirit about them that seems to pervade the space they fill.

554
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Mister Morgan is such a man. They wore a plaid

555
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: shirt and suspenders. His accomplished professional career hasn't overshadowed his

556
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: rural roots. I was struck by his stoic yet joyful demeanor,

557
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: his humility and confidence, and his exhaustive familiarity with Boone.

558
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: It's an honor to introduce you to mister Robert Morgan.

559
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: I've been fascinated with Boone really since I read your book,

560
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: probably ten years ago. And I would have known Boone

561
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: just from the typical way an American kid would have

562
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: known Boone, you know, just from the Disney movies, kind

563
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: of odd places sometimes that his name would come up,

564
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: but really knew nothing about him. And then when I

565
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: read your book, I was enthralled with who this guy

566
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: really was. What was your interest in Boone originally?

567
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 6: Well, when I was growing up, my dad would talk

568
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 6: about him. He just loved to talk about Daniel Boone

569
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 6: and the Frontier, and he said we were related to

570
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 6: Boone through the Morgans. Boone's mother was a Morgan, and

571
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: this turns out to be true. It's very distant relation.

572
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 6: Boone and I have a common ancestor in Wales and

573
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 6: North Wales. But I think the first thing to know

574
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 6: about the Boone families is they were Quakers, and the

575
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 6: Boone family way down in the southwestern England around Exeter,

576
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 6: they were weavers and blacksmiths. So this had a lot

577
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 6: of influence on Boone's character all the way through his life.

578
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 6: And of course they taught pacifism quietness. The mother from

579
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 6: Wales was a musical person. She loved to sing, and

580
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 6: this also was an influence. So this family taught him

581
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 6: this very pacifistic way of life. And it's odd because

582
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 6: he's associated with Indian fighting and hunting, and of course

583
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 6: that's part of the myth that he killed lots of Indians.

584
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 6: He may have killed only one in his life. The

585
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 6: real Boone is somewhat different from the legend, and that

586
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 6: was part of the fun of researching and writing the

587
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 6: book to separate these two. The actual character Daniel Boone

588
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 6: and all these things in the movies and the legends

589
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 6: they do overlaps on. I think the legend has its

590
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 6: roots in Boone, but he's actually a very different person.

591
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 6: The monument in Frankfort, Kentucky has him killing panthers and

592
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: fighting with the Indians and that sort of thing, but

593
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 6: that's not the real Moon. He was very pacifistic, very

594
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 6: calm person, spoke calmly in a very low voice, the

595
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 6: evidence suggests. And one other thing it's important to remember

596
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 6: is that his father was kicked out of the Quakers

597
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: and became a Freemason. So this new very important organization

598
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 6: in the eighteenth century that taught the brotherhood of all men,

599
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 6: of all people. I think he was influenced by that,

600
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 6: and he later became a Mason himself. Very early. He

601
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 6: loved the forest. The family recognized that that he could hunt,

602
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 6: he could find animals, he could trap. He lived out

603
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 6: in the woods with his mother in the summertime. She

604
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: took care of the cows. And he wanted all ready

605
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 6: to live like an Indian then to spend time in

606
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 6: the forest, and there were Indians around.

607
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: It's clear that he had a lot of Native American

608
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: influence even from an early age.

609
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: That overlap of society.

610
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: In the Pennsylvania area that would have been pretty common,

611
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Like he would have just been out wandering around and

612
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: run into Native Americans that he could have befriended. That

613
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: would not have been hostile.

614
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 6: Right, His parents hosted Indians. Indians would come and stay

615
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 6: there in their house from time to time. Pennsylvania and

616
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 6: especially that area had a much better relationship with Indigenous

617
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 6: people than most of the other states. The land was

618
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 6: bought from them for one thing, and I think there

619
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 6: was only one battle with Indians and all the history

620
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 6: of that part of Pennsylvania. So Boone got to know them.

621
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: He imitated them. He loved to be in the forest,

622
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 6: and I say in my biography that he was sort

623
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 6: of divided between the mother world of the forest where

624
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 6: he went with his mother, and the father world of

625
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 6: town and professions and blacksmithing and business money that sort

626
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 6: of thing. But there's no doubt he was more drawn

627
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 6: to the mother world of the forest all of his life.

628
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 6: The very beginning. He was drawn to live like an Indian,

629
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 6: like an Indian. It was always there from the very beginning.

630
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Stephen Ranella.

631
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 5: He became those this guy like brought home a lot

632
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 5: of game and also people that would begin relationships with

633
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 5: Indians who lived in his air. But when he lived there.

634
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: As he became older and became being a man, he

635
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 5: became and this is kind of like where his real

636
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: fame started to be.

637
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 6: As Boone became a long hunter.

638
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 5: He had always hunted for the family, okay, meaning he

639
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 5: would hunt bears, he would hunt deer. They liked to

640
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: eat bear meat, they liked to use deer meat, they

641
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 5: ate it. But mainly it was like the primary asset,

642
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: The primary good you got from deer was leather, and

643
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: people on the frontier preferred bear meat over deer meat.

644
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: I'm sure he had probably always been involved in some

645
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 5: commercial activities, but as he became a young man in

646
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: North Carolina, he became a commercial hunter. Not just hunting

647
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 5: for the pot right, not hunting for the family. But

648
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 5: he would go out hunt deer, hunt bear, trap, beaver, trap.

649
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Otter in order to sell goods.

650
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: And that's really the occupation, that's like the livelihood that

651
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 5: kind of boons. Most of his life was really centered

652
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: around and a lot of his movements as he moved

653
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: ever westward in his big famous move was when he

654
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 5: moved into.

655
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: The Kentucky territory.

656
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 5: Was hunting out looking for good hunting ground.

657
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: It's important to remember that these English commoners didn't know

658
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: how to hunt when they arrived in the New World.

659
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: In Europe, hunting was reserved for the nobility, so they

660
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: relied heavily on Native American methods of hunting and cooking game. Once,

661
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: when Daniel was young, he cooked a turkey over an

662
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: open fire and used a curved piece of bark to

663
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: capture the drippings to base the turkey. His mother asked

664
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: him where he learned this, and he said, quote the Indians.

665
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: In seventeen thirty six, a band of twenty five Delaware

666
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Indians stayed at the Boone Homestead. Daniel would have just

667
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: been a toddler at the time, but the point is

668
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: that their lives overlapped with Indians since he was a child. However,

669
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: it wouldn't just be hunting that he'd learned from them.

670
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: He adopted select parts of their w worldview that he

671
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: saw as superior to the European worldview. I want to

672
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: read an excerpt from mister Morgan's book on European and

673
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Native American worldviews. Colonists were surprised that Indians showed so

674
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: little interest in accumulating wealth. The two cultures generally misunderstood

675
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: each other Europeans often assumed that Indians had no religion

676
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: because they saw no recognizable ritual or symbols of worship.

677
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: The Indians had no word for animal or beast as

678
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: distinct from human. To them, all living things had spirits

679
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: or souls. Not only did the animals have spirits, but

680
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: the guardian spirits of people usually appeared as animals. Owning

681
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: land in the White Way made no more sense than

682
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: owning attractive air or sunlight. Indians were rich by desiring little.

683
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: William Cronin writes the English passion for accumulating well struck

684
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: the Indians as insanity. For this and other reasons, Indian

685
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: holy men often began to describe whites as created for

686
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: a different purpose. Both Indians and Whites suspected each other

687
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: of witchcraft. Indians were thought to worship the devil, and Indians,

688
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: in turn, were convinced that English were in league with

689
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: evil spirits. All too soon, the Indians concluded the invaders

690
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: were stupid and laughed, But the whites who got to

691
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: know Indians found them more honest and tolerant than most

692
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: of their own race. It was said by some that

693
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: Indians were more quote Christian than the English, showing greater

694
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: charity toward the land and its inhabitants. Later in Boone's

695
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: life we'd see that he never values accumulation of wealth

696
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and frankly wasn't very good at it. Back to mister

697
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: Morgan describing Boone as a young man.

698
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 6: But this famous quote from the father who was by

699
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: a relative, that Daniel Balley wasn't going to school. He

700
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 6: was skipping school, and he hadn't learned to spell. And

701
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 6: the father said, let the others learn to spell. Daniel

702
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 6: is the hunter. He will bring us the meat. So

703
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 6: while he was growing up there, he was a prankster. Also.

704
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: He was always playing tricks on people. He was a

705
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 6: fun person. That's why he was so popular. He had

706
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 6: lots of jokes. He could keep people laughing.

707
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: He had a dynamic, charismatic personality.

708
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 6: He was a leader from the very beginning. He was

709
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 6: the kind of person who was a magnet. If he

710
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 6: was in the room, everybody would be drawn to him.

711
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 6: He had that leadership ability. So from the very beginning

712
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 6: he was divided between that kind of leadership and the

713
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 6: white world and this solitary world of the forest. And

714
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 6: that also was with him from the very beginning to

715
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 6: the end of his life. This really begin to show

716
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 6: when they moved to North Carolina to the Yadkin Valley

717
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 6: about seventeen fifty or fifty one, because that was even wilder,

718
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 6: and he began to live in the forest, go for

719
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 6: longer hunts, go out trapping, and he became known.

720
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: And he would have been a teenager at that time

721
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: when he moved to the Yadkin in North Carolina, he

722
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: would have.

723
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 6: Been sixteen or seventeen.

724
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: So just the prime budding age for a young man

725
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: and outdoorsman to really start to sew his oats.

726
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 6: He soon became well known as a marksman and a

727
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 6: hunter and people, some people were jealous of him, but

728
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 6: he was so skillful as a tracker and a hunter

729
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 6: even then, even at the age of seventeen or eighteen,

730
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 6: that his legend began to grow.

731
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: This is a good place to give a high level

732
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: overview of Boone's early life. He was born on October

733
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: twenty second, seventeen thirty four, near Reading, Pennsylvania. He was

734
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: a first generation American. His parents had come over from

735
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: England a few years prior. We've got to remember this

736
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: was before the Revolutionary War, so they weren't really Americans yet.

737
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: His dad, Squire, got in squabbles with the Quaker Church,

738
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: and they left Pennsylvania and moved into the wild country

739
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: of the Yadkin Valley in North Carolina, which at the

740
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: time would have been the boundaries of European settlement and

741
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: the colonies. It was here that Daniel started to make

742
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: a name for himself as a hunter and explorer. I

743
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: want to read another short excerpt from mister Morgan's book.

744
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: From the time he was a boy, Boone had a

745
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: flair for the dramat He seemed to know instinctively how

746
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: to make himself noticed, remembered. As a young man, he

747
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: began to create for himself the role of Daniel Boone,

748
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: and he spent much of his life perfecting that role.

749
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: Despite his later protestation that he was quote but a

750
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: common man, he seemed to wear from his early youth

751
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: that he was not just playing himself, but a type

752
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: what Emerson would later call a representative man. Boone would

753
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: embody in his actions and attitude, the aspirations and character

754
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: of the whole era. At least once Daniel became so

755
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: distracted by his own explorations that he forgot the hours

756
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: of the day his home, the fact that he was

757
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: supposed to help his mother before it got dark. Sarah

758
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: had to round up the cattle herself and do the milking,

759
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: strain the milk and put it in the spring house.

760
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: To stay cool, calm and prayerful, she worked a churning

761
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: butter from the clabvered milk. But when Daniel did not

762
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: come home by the next morning, and still had not

763
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: returned by noon, she had no choice but to walk

764
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: five miles back to town to get help. A search

765
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: party was formed and they combed over the Oly Hills

766
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: all the way to the never Seek Mountain range west

767
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: of the Monocacy Valley. They found no sign of Daniel

768
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: that afternoon, but starting out early the next morning, they

769
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: traveled further and spotted a column of smoke. Later in

770
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: the afternoon, they reached the source of the smoke and

771
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: found Daniel sitting on a bear skin and roasting fresh

772
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: bear meat over the fire. When asked if he was lost,

773
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: he said no, he had known where he was all

774
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: along on the south shoulder of the hill, nine miles

775
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: from the pasture. The search party accused him of scarying

776
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: his mother and forcing them all to waste time looking

777
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: for him, but he calmly answered he had started tracking

778
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: the bear and didn't want to lose it, and besides,

779
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: here was fresh meat for everybody. Whether the story is

780
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: true or just one of the legends that grew around

781
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Boone later in life, it reveals as much about the

782
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: way he was perceived and remembered as it does about

783
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: his character. People later recalled that even from his boyhood,

784
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: there was a sense that Daniel had been singled out.

785
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: The story of the search party echoes the story in

786
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: Luke two forty nine of the twelve year old Jesus

787
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Lost for Mary and Joseph. The boy is finally found

788
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: in the temple conversing with the elders. When he is

789
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: questioned and scolded, he explains that he had quote been

790
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: about his father's business. The sense of the story is

791
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: that Boone had already found his calling and destiny. It

792
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: is clear he also knew how to make a memorable impression.

793
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: For Boone, there was something.

794
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: Erotic about the woods, a playground, a place of sometimes

795
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: dangerous pleasure, and some would later suggest that with his

796
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: lifelong passion for hunting, there was a part of Boone

797
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: that never quite grew up. Back to mister Morgan as

798
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: he describes a big event in young Daniel's life.

799
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 6: Then this big event in his life when he was

800
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 6: about twenty one. He was born in seventeen thirty four

801
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 6: and the French and Indian War started, So it's seventeen

802
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 6: fifty five and he goes with the militia up into

803
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 6: Virginia and joins George Washington's forces that are going to

804
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 6: join the British led by General Braddock, and everybody knows

805
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 6: the story of Braddock's defeat. They moved toward Fort Duquine

806
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 6: and they were ambushed by the French and the Indians

807
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 6: and a lot were killed. And Boone was not a soldier.

808
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 6: He was a teamster and a blacksmith teamster, meaning he

809
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: drove wagons. Drove wagons, but around the campfires he had

810
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 6: met a man called Finley, and Finley had told him

811
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 6: about his trip into Kentucky going down the Ohio River

812
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 6: as a peddler. He was a businessman, going all the

813
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 6: way to the falls which was now Louisville. But he

814
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 6: had traded with the Shawnees at the village of Esque Parkathiki,

815
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: which is where Winchester Kentucky is now Okay, and he

816
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 6: had seen the Bluegrass. So he told these stories of

817
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 6: this amazing place, so beautiful, buffalo elk, dear beavers, and

818
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 6: it didn't seem to be inhabited by Indians. There was

819
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 6: at one village of Escuepakathiki, and Boone determined then that

820
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 6: someday he was going to the Bluegrass.

821
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: So this is when he was in his early twenties,

822
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: is when he met Finley Right, who told him about this.

823
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: And this would have been so this would have been

824
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: over the Appalachian Range, which at the time was this

825
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: impenetrable barrier. It's really bizarre to think about it now

826
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: because we have highway systems and do we have this

827
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: modern transportation. It's almost like you have to reel yourself

828
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: deeply back into history and erase how you can drive

829
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: in a car, get an airplane. I mean, these people

830
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: were confined massively by transportation, so Kentucky would have been

831
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: like another planet.

832
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 6: It was considered unreasonable for several reason. The Indians its

833
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 6: dangerous to go there, had to climb over the mountains

834
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 6: Blue rig the Alleghanys to get there, and the Cumberlands,

835
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 6: but they were also forbidden to go there after the

836
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 6: French and Indian War that was to be divided up

837
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 6: for the officers and ordinary people weren't supposed to go. Now,

838
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 6: some white explorers had gone there, and doctor Thomas Walker,

839
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 6: I believe, had actually found what we call Cumberland Gap,

840
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 6: and he's the one who named it. We think.

841
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: John Finley was twenty years older than Boone and told

842
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: Dan some marvelous tales of going into Kentucky. He would

843
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: have been the man in Boone's life who inadvertently steered

844
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: him into what many would say was his calling or destiny.

845
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: He must have noted that young Daniel was highly interested

846
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: in his stories of Kentucky, because ten years later he'd

847
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: go visit Boone at his house and proposed a wild plan.

848
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 6: But Finley showed up a trader and he had a

849
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 6: little money. They planned this trip. They got together with

850
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 6: several people in the spring of seventeen sixty nine and

851
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 6: left on first of May.

852
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: Now let's see, now Daniel would have been by this

853
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: time in his thirties. He would have been, so this

854
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: would have been ten years after he originally heard about

855
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: it from Findley.

856
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: He wasn't able to outfit a group to go, and

857
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 6: he had other things on his mind. When he got

858
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 6: back from Braddock's defeat that trip, he was in love

859
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 6: with this beautiful girl, Rebecca Bryan, and they were married

860
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 6: not too long after, and Foon had a family soon

861
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 6: and you know, had to farm, and he had to

862
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 6: support them by working as a teamster and primarily as

863
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 6: a trapper hunting deer. In the summertime, he hunted deer

864
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 6: for the hides because the hide was in its best

865
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 6: condition and a hide was worth a Spanish dollar, so

866
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 6: a hide became a buck. Right in wintertime, he primarily

867
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 6: trapped for firm because that's when it was in its prime.

868
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 6: So that's what he was doing most of the time.

869
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 6: He also went off on a trip to Florida, of

870
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 6: all things. Yeah, and actually bought a bit of land

871
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 6: down there, but Rebecca refused to go.

872
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: And so that was in seventeen sixty five that he

873
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: went to Florida. Didn't he owned land near Pensacola.

874
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 6: He did. He bought some land and came back, arrived

875
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: on Christmas to take his family there, and Rebecca just

876
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 6: put her foot down she would not go.

877
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: I have in my notes here. Boone was like a

878
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: typical timeshare Florida owner who bought his land and never

879
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: went back. During this time, like when you try to

880
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: understand the motivations for people to do these kind of things,

881
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: this was a time of exploration, of geographic exploration in

882
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: North America. I mean it was like, I don't want

883
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: to say trendy, but it was I guess in a

884
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: sense explorers. There was a lot of financial gain to

885
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: be made from well, from long hunters who could go

886
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: and make a good living long hunting into new territory.

887
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: But it was just a different time and a different mentality.

888
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 6: It was said that Boone was fiddle footed, he just

889
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 6: couldn't stay still. But to think of it, I mean,

890
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 6: here was this continent and that much of it had

891
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: not been explored. Jefferson was very interested in exploring it,

892
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 6: for instance. But think of people coming from Europe, mostly

893
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 6: poor people who never had hunted. Hunting was for the

894
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 6: upper classes, even firearms, or for the upper classes, and

895
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 6: they arrived in North America and it's this vast wilderness

896
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 6: animals to hunt to trap, and if you get a

897
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 6: gun and you could go anywhere you wanted, you could

898
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 6: explore that. And for the Scotch Irish It really was

899
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 6: like a miracle that they had been moved from Scotland

900
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 6: to Ireland and then the land had been taken away

901
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 6: from them in Ireland. So you arrive here and basically

902
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 6: all you have to do is find a patch somewhere

903
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 6: and make sure the Indians are cleared out and you

904
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 6: could grow things, you could hunt, claim a new life.

905
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 6: So it was a very exciting time and exploring was

906
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 6: one of the main things they did, but particularly Boon's

907
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 6: time over the mountains. I say in the biography that

908
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 6: Kentucky was the key because once you could get to Kentucky,

909
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 6: that meant you could go further down the Ohio over

910
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 6: into Ohio, over into what became Indiana, Illinois, and beyond

911
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 6: that the Mississippi Valley and beyond that the Missouri Valley.

912
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 6: In these mountains, he heard of the Snowcap and that

913
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 6: was really thrilling. People were and the women, not just

914
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 6: the men, the women wanted to go there too. It

915
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 6: was a very exciting time.

916
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: So we've covered about thirty years of Daniel's life. He

917
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: was a backwoods kid influenced by Quaker in Native American ideology.

918
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: By the time he was in his teens, he was

919
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: an accomplished hunter. When he was twenty one, he served

920
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: under the George Washington, like the father of our country,

921
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: George Washington, in the French and Indian War. In seventeen

922
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: fifty six he married the beautiful, black haired and black

923
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: eyed Rebecca Bryan, and they started on their way towards

924
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: having ten children. And if we're telling our story chronologically,

925
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: Dan is now thirty three years old. He's a common backwoodsman,

926
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: and it's now seventeen sixty seven. Now, mister Morgan will

927
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: get back to Daniel and John Finley's first trip into Kentucky.

928
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: And it's worth.

929
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Noting for the boone nerds out there that Dan actually

930
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: had been into Kentucky for a short time on another trip,

931
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: but thought he was in Virginia. He later would realize

932
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: he had dipped into Kentucky and was unimpressed with what

933
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: he'd seen.

934
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 6: Okay, they got together. There's a lot of disagreement about this,

935
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 6: but somebody funded this. Finley may have contributed to it.

936
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 6: But the job was how do you get there? You

937
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 6: could get there by going down the Ohio, but how

938
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 6: did you get to Kentucky as they called it. Well,

939
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 6: they figured out that the Indians for thousands of years

940
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 6: have been going there on the warriors Pathobi And if

941
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 6: they could find the warriors path, they could follow it

942
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 6: and it would take them through the gap into Kentucky.

943
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: And this is a this is something they would have

944
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: just heard through interactions with Native Americans. They would they

945
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: would have heard them say, there's this, there's a gap

946
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: in the mountains.

947
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 6: They would. I mean there was enough contact, particularly Boon.

948
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 6: I mean, he'd gotten to know a lot of Cherokees,

949
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 6: he had been cheated by them. He possibly had a

950
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 6: Cherokee wife. We don't know that, but some people said

951
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 6: he did. And by the way, they also say that

952
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 6: that Cherokee wife was African American, an escaped slave, as

953
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 6: I have actually met African Americans who claimed to be

954
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 6: descended from Daniel.

955
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: But really I have what is your what is your

956
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: personal feeling? Do you think that's true?

957
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 6: I think it's quite possible.

958
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: Really, what about his Quaker upbringing and being like devoted

959
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: to his wife, like, how in contrasting that with character

960
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: we see in other parts of his life, would that

961
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: just have been I don't know, how would you explain it?

962
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 6: I think there are many facets to woman's character and

963
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 6: many compartments in his mind. He had this amazing ability

964
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 6: to blend in with people and groups ever he was,

965
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 6: and this saved him many times that he understood other people.

966
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 6: He had a mind like Shakespeare. I mean, who could

967
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 6: get into the mind very different people and to be

968
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 6: sympathetic with them. I don't know that he had a

969
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 6: Cherokee wife, but I think it's possible. And you know,

970
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 6: if you were with an Indian group, you had to

971
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 6: be sleeping with one woman or they would think you

972
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 6: were a very bad it was.

973
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: I read it was inhospitable if you were a guest

974
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: in some of these tribes, they would If you would

975
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: not do that, it would be.

976
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 6: You thought you were better or you know, you were

977
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 6: not one of them. So I just say it's possible.

978
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: And I guess the way he fit in so well

979
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: with the Native Americans. And we'll talk more about him

980
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: being kidnapped by the Shawnee and all that, but the

981
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: fact that he was able to blend in so well,

982
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: I can see how that would make sense. That he

983
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: might have just because too be able to fit in

984
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: so well.

985
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: It may have been a necessity, so he would have

986
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 6: known about this gap they went north from the Yadkin

987
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 6: to what was called Wolf Hills, which we call Abingdon, Virginia,

988
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 6: and there they found the trail that Boone was good

989
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 6: enough to read the sign the tracks, so they followed

990
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 6: it to the southwest over Powells River and Pole's Mountain

991
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 6: and they came to the Cumberland Mountains. And this is

992
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 6: a really dramatic place. You can go there and these

993
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 6: mountains have cliffs on them, and there's the most forbidding things.

994
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 6: It really is like it's threatening, these high cliffs, just

995
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 6: mile after mile after mile, and keep going and then

996
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 6: suddenly you see this gap between them like a gun sight,

997
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 6: and there it is. They found it what doctor Thomas

998
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 6: Walker called Cumberland Gap. And you cross that and there's

999
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 6: a river. You got to cross the Cumberland River. You

1000
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 6: go through another gap and then you reach the Knob Country.

1001
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 6: And the famous paintings are a Boone on top of

1002
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 6: a hill seeing into the bluegrass in Kentucky, and this

1003
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 6: is called the Pisga Vision. Moses on Pisga he could

1004
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 6: look into the promised land. But Boone could go into

1005
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 6: the promised land. Moses couldn't go right, So you have

1006
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 6: this amazing idol of Boone in his group Here for

1007
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 6: the Deer Buffalo Elk Beaver.

1008
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: Boone is now into Kentucky and what happened there will

1009
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: shape the rest of his life and Americas. What's interesting

1010
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: is that it's in the next ten years that most

1011
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: of what he's famous for, the things that defined his life,

1012
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: will happen. Mister Morgan had something to say about this

1013
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: to this day. We put this quote in a frame

1014
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: in our house, and we did it when we were

1015
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: about thirty years old, so this would have been about

1016
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: ten years ago. But you said in his mid thirties,

1017
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: a man either reaches out towards risk and glory or

1018
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: stays within the routines of the expected and ordinary. It

1019
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: is the age when men leave safe homes and jobs

1020
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: and go on voyages and odyssees and perform transforming sacrifices.

1021
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: It's the age when Walt Whitman wrote Leaves of Grass

1022
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: and Columbus started planning his voyage to the Indies. It's

1023
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: an age at which visionaries become profits, or explorers or inventors,

1024
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: or make fools of themselves trying. So I would have

1025
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: read this book when I was about thirty years old,

1026
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: and it just feels so true. This window of time

1027
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: in life is so important. And you went on to

1028
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: give these examples of work that these artists and poets

1029
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: and explorers did when they were in their thirties, and

1030
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: you made the point that much of Boone's life was

1031
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: defined by this ten year period basically from seventeen seventy

1032
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: to about seventeen eighty. The Cumberland Gap in Kentucky and

1033
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: all these things.

1034
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 6: Things he's famous for. Yeah, we're done in that time. Yeah, well,

1035
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 6: I got the idea from the study of the Romantic

1036
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 6: poets words Worths and Coleridge lived much longer, but almost

1037
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 6: everything that we associate with them is done that in

1038
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 6: the ten years. And Walt Whitman is the perfect example.

1039
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 6: That Whitman wrote all of these great poems just about

1040
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 6: in that period, it's a little bit more about eleven years,

1041
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 6: and devoted the rest of his life to writing prose.

1042
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 6: Basically did write some poems. But I was also thinking

1043
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 6: of physicists and mathematicians and that they do their great

1044
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 6: work relatively early. Mathematicians even earlier, but physicists and other

1045
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 6: scientists usual a little bit later. Yeah, novelists also novelists

1046
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 6: usually get going about the age of thirty and at

1047
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 6: the age of forty early forties, they've done most of

1048
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 6: their great work. A few exceptions, but not Yeah Lenny.

1049
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: On this first episode, we basically covered the first thirty

1050
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: five years of Daniel's life up to him traversing the

1051
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap and going into Kentucky. This is just the

1052
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: beginning of the famed part of his life. And remember

1053
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: at this point no one knew his name. Daniel would

1054
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: live to be eighty six years old. In the remaining

1055
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: fifty one years of his life are more wild than

1056
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: the first. The man had a drive and a deep

1057
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: love of life kept him moving. But I'm still trying

1058
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: to understand why this story matters. Understanding national archetypes helps

1059
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: us see the framework of our thinking, what we value

1060
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: and the things that seek to define us. A deeper

1061
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: look into national identity and an awareness of this gives

1062
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: us the right to evaluate the good and the not

1063
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: so good. In the coming episodes, we'll explore the rest

1064
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: of Boone's life, including the heroic rescue of his daughter

1065
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: from Indians and the lore of an illegitimate daughter, the

1066
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: death of his son, and fortunes Won and Lost will

1067
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: also explore the historical revision of Boone and the controversy

1068
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: of us celebrating him. It's improbable to think that after

1069
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: listening to a few podcasts you could understand the fullness

1070
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: of who Boone was, and it's my hope that you

1071
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: might explore Boone yourself. Ultimately, I hope that his character,

1072
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: both positive and negative, will make us more relevant today

1073
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: in continuing to define American identity in my old my

1074
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: our exploration of Boone is an appeal to the masses

1075
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: to remember where we came from, and it's a cry

1076
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: to not forget the American backwoodsman, because we're still here

1077
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: and we deserve a lasting place at the American table

1078
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: because it's in our DNA. Folks, I cannot thank you

1079
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: enough for listening to the Bear Grease podcast. We're pouring

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Speaker 1: out everything we've got into these and thank you for

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Speaker 1: the iTunes reviews, and I ask those of you who

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Speaker 1: haven't to give us a review on iTunes and share

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Speaker 1: this podcast with your buddies. Thanks A ton