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Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The Oklahoma City Thunder, the team's the league's best team
Speaker 2: all season long, was in their second must win game
Speaker 2: of this postseason, a game that was different than the
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets game too, and that this is a Pacers
Speaker 2: team that has no led up in their basketball character.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've had a lot of people ask
Speaker 2: me what I thought would happen in tonight's game, and
Speaker 2: I said the same thing every time. I know what
Speaker 2: we're getting from the Pacers. This is gonna be about
Speaker 2: whether or not the Thunder can raise their level, and
Speaker 2: they absolutely did in just about every facet of the game.
Speaker 2: I thought that was one of Shay's best games of
Speaker 2: his career in terms of his floor game, which we're
Speaker 2: gonna be diving a little bit further into that concept.
Speaker 2: Off the Top got a bunch of guys into rhythm
Speaker 2: the dead giveaway.
Speaker 3: As a team. In the last game they had.
Speaker 2: Just thirteen CIS's nearly doubled that total tonight up to
Speaker 2: twenty five. A lot more flow in that Thunder offense,
Speaker 2: lots of interesting stuff to get into on both sides
Speaker 2: of the series. And then when we finish up with
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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So you know, floor game is
Speaker 2: the latest and a long line of basketball buzzwords that
Speaker 2: you guys will hear all around the NBA media and
Speaker 2: on the show as well. And I wanted to dive
Speaker 2: into that concept a little bit because we talked about
Speaker 2: it a lot after Game one. I talked about how
Speaker 2: it kind of felt in the moment like Shay was
Speaker 2: just trying to like force his way into rhythm in
Speaker 2: Game one. The NBA finals are a really uncomfortable setting
Speaker 2: for most basketball players, and there's so many examples in
Speaker 2: NBA history of like really really really good players struggling
Speaker 2: when they get to the final stage just because of
Speaker 2: how weird it is, how much media there is, how
Speaker 2: intense it is, and just all the pressure and expectation
Speaker 2: that centers around that moment. Right Well, when I went
Speaker 2: back and watched the it really looked like Shay kind
Speaker 2: of bogged down the entire offense hunting his own shot,
Speaker 2: and I thought he just did a much much better
Speaker 2: job in this game. Now, when I say floor game,
Speaker 2: what that means to me is when you're the lead
Speaker 2: guard or the lead ball handler, or just consider yourself
Speaker 2: the offensive engine, the person who is singularly responsible for
Speaker 2: at least the majority of what your team does on offense.
Speaker 2: In that case, a lot of times we see box
Speaker 2: scores and we go, oh, like, you know, you know
Speaker 2: Lebron went twelve for twenty tonight, you know, or Nikola
Speaker 2: jokicic thirteen for seventeen from the field tonight. That's seventeen shots.
Speaker 2: That's twenty shots. Go look at how many shots a
Speaker 2: team takes in a game. Both teams tonight took eighty
Speaker 2: two field goal attempts. When you really start to zoom
Speaker 2: out from like from the singular possession and look at
Speaker 2: an entire basketball game, when you're the offensive engine, you
Speaker 2: have to create a lot of shots. Now, does that
Speaker 2: mean that Shay has to create all eighty two of
Speaker 2: those shots? No, but like he's going to be either
Speaker 2: directly or indirectly responsible for about sixty percent of that offense.
Speaker 2: And so then you start to zoom out and you go, wait,
Speaker 2: it's not just about whether or not I can get
Speaker 2: my shot going. I have to build a rhythm in
Speaker 2: this offense that doesn't disclude me either. It's got to
Speaker 2: include me and my scoring as well, but it's also
Speaker 2: got to include everyone else on the floor feeling comfortable.
Speaker 2: That was something that I thought Shae didn't do a
Speaker 2: good job of in Game one. I thought he immediately
Speaker 2: came out tonight with a clear intentional effort to get
Speaker 2: the ball out to the easy kickout reads and cutreads
Speaker 2: that were available to him. When we went back and
Speaker 2: we watched crunch time, I actually thought Shay started to
Speaker 2: figure this out. It just was so late in the
Speaker 2: game and too many guys were out of rhythm looking
Speaker 2: at crunch time.
Speaker 3: In Game one, he.
Speaker 2: Was facing sometimes two sometimes three helpers on his and
Speaker 2: he just started taking the kickout reads that were there.
Speaker 2: Jay Dub missus a clean look. Case On Wallace missus
Speaker 2: a clean look. Blue Dort misses a clean look. But
Speaker 2: that investment was made earlier in the game tonight, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, chets looking comfortable. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: everyone is just more. It's contagious. It's contagious how it
Speaker 2: just gets everyone involved with moving the basketball around. That's
Speaker 2: how you double your assist total compared to what they
Speaker 2: had in Game one. There were a couple of specific
Speaker 2: actions that Shay was hunting all night tonight and getting
Speaker 2: great stuff out of. I thought he made a very
Speaker 2: intentional effort to start working off of the left block
Speaker 2: and post ups. He liked his matchup against Andrel Nemhard
Speaker 2: in particular, a little bit of Ben against Ben Mathern
Speaker 2: as well. Him and Ben Mathern were having a fun,
Speaker 2: little kind of like showdown in terms of just young
Speaker 2: athletic guards. Obviously, Shay got the better of him tonight
Speaker 2: in a real way, just took advantage of that aggressiveness
Speaker 2: and got him into some bowel trouble. But from that
Speaker 2: left block, he was always clearing the side and you
Speaker 2: could see him like waving people through and then backing
Speaker 2: down along that left block, and then as soon as
Speaker 2: the double team came, he got rid of it. And
Speaker 2: if the double team didn't come, he'd go to one
Speaker 2: of those fadeaways over either shoulder. He also drew a
Speaker 2: foul and andrew Nemhart on a step through move, but
Speaker 2: he was able to consistently use that left block post
Speaker 2: up as a vehicle with which to survey the floor
Speaker 2: and take the easy kickouts that were available. Similarly, guard
Speaker 2: guard screens at the top of the key. We talked
Speaker 2: a lot after Game one in our film session. If
Speaker 2: you guys remember the idea of him quickly attacking against
Speaker 2: the switch, like when the switch comes, just hitting the
Speaker 2: jets immediately and beating that dude off the dribble or
Speaker 2: against hedges, attacking quickly and splitting that action. He was
Speaker 2: getting a lot of dribble penetration straight through on those
Speaker 2: guard guard screens. He actually got a good amount of
Speaker 2: that at the end of Game one too. But the
Speaker 2: whole point is is Shaye took what he learned from
Speaker 2: game one added to it in the form of the
Speaker 2: post up stuff. But he took those two pet actions,
Speaker 2: the high ball screens in the and the left block
Speaker 2: post ups, and he treated them as a vehicle with
Speaker 2: which to get his teammate's advantages rather than a vehicle
Speaker 2: with which for him to get his own shot attempts up.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing too there is like even he was
Speaker 2: in a better rhythm than he was in Game one,
Speaker 2: and like I guarantee you that Shay in the middle
Speaker 2: of Game one could feel it. I'm sure he could
Speaker 2: feel that he wasn't playing a great game. You can't
Speaker 2: like in the game. He could probably feel that he
Speaker 2: was taking some iffy shots. Then it gets even more
Speaker 2: frustrating when you miss the next kind of iffy shot.
Speaker 2: But it's a shot that he practices all the time, right,
Speaker 2: and so it can turn into this like you're trying
Speaker 2: to ram your head through a brick wall kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Right in this game, it felt like even the tougher
Speaker 2: buckets that he was going after kind of felt more
Speaker 2: in rhythm for him because he knew he was playing
Speaker 2: a great game. He knew the whole time I am
Speaker 2: in full control of the flow of this game for
Speaker 2: my team on offense, and all of those trickle down
Speaker 2: effects started to show chat getting into rhythm. Andrew or
Speaker 2: Aaron Wiggins had his best off the Dribble game. It's contagious, right,
Speaker 2: Everyone starts to feel more comfortable, everyone starts to feel
Speaker 2: like they're in a rhythm. And I just thought, I
Speaker 2: just thought it was one of the better games that
Speaker 2: I've seen Shade play in terms of just feeling out
Speaker 2: the flow of the game, identifying that his job is
Speaker 2: not to create you know, twenty five shots for himself
Speaker 2: and a handful of kickouts, but rather to be responsible
Speaker 2: for the offense, to be responsible for the entirety of
Speaker 2: the five man offense for the entire you know, forty
Speaker 2: minutes or whatever that you're out on the floor. That's
Speaker 2: the job. That's what floor game means. Floor game means
Speaker 2: how do you run the offense? Not how many points
Speaker 2: you had and how many assists you had. And I
Speaker 2: thought Shaye just had an absolutely amazing game running the offense.
Speaker 2: My second big takeaway from tonight was just how frightening
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City's athletics ceiling is. I talked about at the
Speaker 2: open of this show about how Indiana didn't lower their
Speaker 2: level tonight. I didn't feel like it like Indy came
Speaker 2: out flat the way that Denver did in Game two
Speaker 2: of the second round series, or that we the way
Speaker 2: that we see so many veteran teams like Indy came
Speaker 2: out and had a lot of those patented Indie runs
Speaker 2: where they continue to get you know, seven eight points
Speaker 2: in a short span that shrinks a lead down to
Speaker 2: something more manageable, and like that's what they do, right,
Speaker 2: They wait for you to slow down We had a
Speaker 2: classic example of that in the second half of this
Speaker 2: game where or in the late first half of this
Speaker 2: game where okay see, he goes on a big run
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, okay See misses a
Speaker 2: few jump shots in a row, and you know, Nie
Speaker 2: Smiths hitting a corner three, Seakam's getting an and one,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the leads back down to thirteen.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. They just they never stopped coming
Speaker 2: at you. But there's a reason why those deficits just
Speaker 2: looked bigger tonight. There's a reason why they were able
Speaker 2: to push it north of twenty multiple times, and it's
Speaker 2: because even though Indy didn't lower their level, Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: substantially raised theirs. One of the things that I talked
Speaker 2: about all this all the time on this show is
Speaker 2: the idea of like shooting variants being pretty far down
Speaker 2: the list. For me, it's a thing. There's basically statistical
Speaker 2: proof that shooting variance does exist to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: but I tend to think that basketball dynamics play a
Speaker 2: larger role in that shooting variance than the shooting variance
Speaker 2: is then we're led to believe by the way the
Speaker 2: game is discussed, right, everyone wants to pretend that there's
Speaker 2: just this algorithm that spits out a shot result. That's
Speaker 2: not what happens, and what happens before the shot is
Speaker 2: going to have a huge impact on whether or not
Speaker 2: the shot goes in or not. You can't just sit
Speaker 2: there and put a hand up and hope that a
Speaker 2: guy misses shots. If you bring a requisite level of
Speaker 2: intensity on your closeouts to where you get up in
Speaker 2: underneath the shooter, in the shooting pocket, disrupting the gather
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, that contest is going to do
Speaker 2: a lot more to force that guy to miss than
Speaker 2: I'm standing there or the hand up. Obi Toppin Early
Speaker 2: in the game hit another contested three over I think
Speaker 2: it was over at Hartenstein if I remember correctly, in
Speaker 2: the left corner. Might have been over cheted, but it
Speaker 2: was a shot where like the hand was up, but
Speaker 2: there wasn't that other layer, that other layer of trying
Speaker 2: to make the guy uncomfortable swiping at the basketball, being
Speaker 2: more intense with that closeout that was absolutely there over
Speaker 2: the course of the rest of tonight's game, like block
Speaker 2: shots on three pointers, multiple of those, just a level
Speaker 2: of hillaciousness to the way they were closing out the rebounds.
Speaker 2: They started to do a bunch of damage on the
Speaker 2: offensive glass. Again in the second half. Their on ball
Speaker 2: defense caused Indiana to lose their composure at multiple points
Speaker 2: in the game, a long stretch to start the second
Speaker 2: quarter and then again in the third quarter. That comes
Speaker 2: from the fact that when Oklahoma City really has their
Speaker 2: back against the wall, they lose that game, they're probably
Speaker 2: losing the series. Right Like, you're down two zero going
Speaker 2: back to Indy, Like Indy's getting at least one of those,
Speaker 2: and now you're down three to one, and it's just
Speaker 2: really difficult to come back from down three to one
Speaker 2: against a team that never stops playing their best version
Speaker 2: of basketball, right like, this was a must win game.
Speaker 2: And in this must win game, a bunch of these
Speaker 2: young athletes that are you know, other than Caruso twenty
Speaker 2: six or younger just turned up that athleticism to a
Speaker 2: level that Indiana really couldn't match. Or there's gonna be
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about Tyrese Haliburton, and you know
Speaker 2: how he didn't really do too much to score the
Speaker 2: ball until late in the game. I think a big
Speaker 2: part of it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 2: Tyree's doesn't get a ton of separation from these guys
Speaker 2: when they're really really locked in. That goes for everyone.
Speaker 2: These these these dudes are really really difficult to move
Speaker 2: or get around when they when they tighten the screws
Speaker 2: the way they did tonight. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: the big thing that stood out to me in the
Speaker 2: sense that if this series goes seven, like let's say,
Speaker 2: for instance, that Indiana goes home and gets two, like
Speaker 2: they just they just go home and ride that Indie
Speaker 2: home crowd and they get to and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudd in Oklahoma City wins Game five and wins
Speaker 2: game six to two, or just somehow gets this to
Speaker 2: a seven. If this series goes seven, keep in mind
Speaker 2: that if they're in Oklahoma City and they could ratchet
Speaker 2: up their athleticism like that, I don't know that Indy
Speaker 2: can win if they end up in that type of game.
Speaker 2: And so it kind of feels to me like Indy's
Speaker 2: pathway is to end this thing in six, to go
Speaker 2: home win three and four. Obviously you're gonna lose in
Speaker 2: Game five against the same type of leverage athleticism that
Speaker 2: we saw tonight and then their chance to close it
Speaker 2: out in six. I left Tonight's game feeling like I
Speaker 2: don't think Indiana could win a closeout game in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: There's just a level they can get too athletically that
Speaker 2: Indy can't touch. We talked about a bunch of adjustments
Speaker 2: for Oklahoma City. I wanted to quickly kind of go
Speaker 2: through those. We talked about shake Joss Alexander making a
Speaker 2: more intentional effort to invest in rhythm with his teammates
Speaker 2: throughout the game. I thought he clearly made that change.
Speaker 2: We talked about Ja Dupp staying away from these early
Speaker 2: clock contested mid range jump shots. Really did a much
Speaker 2: better job of that Tonight, didn't take one until the
Speaker 2: late second quarter and only took two in the entire game.
Speaker 2: Was just much more of an attacker and facilitator in
Speaker 2: this game. Got to the foul line a bunch as well.
Speaker 2: We talked about loosening up the defense. I talked about
Speaker 2: how they gave up a bunch of open threes just
Speaker 2: kind of overswarming, and interestingly enough, it kind of did
Speaker 2: feel like that was the game plan early on. That
Speaker 2: was why we saw so many of those like Nemhard
Speaker 2: and Halliburn ISOs kind of right around the middle of
Speaker 2: the floor in the first quarter. Oklahoma City wasn't overreacting
Speaker 2: to dribble penetration at that point in the game, but
Speaker 2: it felt like in that third quarter run that they
Speaker 2: really leaned back into their swarming and honestly, I thought
Speaker 2: it was the right call in the moment, like they
Speaker 2: caused Indy to lose their composure again, they started to
Speaker 2: get out in transition. It was like a momentous kind
Speaker 2: of thing, And honestly, it might have just literally been
Speaker 2: the basketball instincts of this team and the way they
Speaker 2: kind of smell blood in the water and they start
Speaker 2: going for those turnovers. Oklahoma City really started gambling a
Speaker 2: lot on the on their over like in their help
Speaker 2: and recover decisions in that second half, and I thought
Speaker 2: most of it paid off. And then again in general,
Speaker 2: the intensity to close out, so you got to make
Speaker 2: people miss. You can't sit there, cross your fingers and
Speaker 2: hope that people miss. That's not how basketball works. You
Speaker 2: gotta make people miss. And tonight I thought Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: brought the requisite level of intensity to force Indiana into
Speaker 2: missing some of those threes. Some other Oklahoma City shoutouts
Speaker 2: before we head over to the Indiana front. Aaron Wiggins
Speaker 2: is scoring. He had seventeen tonight. I believe he had
Speaker 2: seventeen tonight. He had five threes in this game. He
Speaker 2: actually got up to eighteen points. He had a free
Speaker 2: throw late in the game, but he had eighteen points
Speaker 2: in ninety five threes. His first three buckets were pretty tough.
Speaker 2: Like Aaron Wiggins is an underrated put the ball on
Speaker 2: the floor type of like bench scorer. I think he
Speaker 2: has a reputation around the league as being kind of
Speaker 2: a three and D guy. He's got a lot more
Speaker 2: off the dribble pop than you dink like. I think
Speaker 2: he's closer to like a Nause Marshall type of role
Speaker 2: player wing than like a you know, a lou Doort
Speaker 2: like type of three and D type of wing. And
Speaker 2: he did some really nice work off the dribble to
Speaker 2: start this game. Hit a tough bank shot in some
Speaker 2: traffic over siak him if I remember correctly, and then
Speaker 2: his first two threes are like pretty tough off the
Speaker 2: dribble threes. Those are a big part of how they
Speaker 2: built as much margin early in the game when Indiana
Speaker 2: was playing as well as they were playing Alex Cruzo.
Speaker 2: His combination of just knocking down, catching shoot threes, and
Speaker 2: finding openings as a cutter, it continues to make him
Speaker 2: a very reliable offensive player. He had twenty more points tonight.
Speaker 2: That's the tenth time in this postseason he's gotten into
Speaker 2: double figures as a scorer. In his second time in
Speaker 2: this postseason where he's gotten over twenty points or gotten
Speaker 2: up to twenty points in a single game. And then
Speaker 2: Isaya Hartenstein. I just thought he was awesome tonight. You
Speaker 2: only had three points, but did a bunch of damage
Speaker 2: on the glass and as a screener and as a
Speaker 2: connective passer. To me, he just greases the wheels for
Speaker 2: this team. I would love to look up. I'll dig
Speaker 2: into this. Maybe I can try to find this information tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure if you can do it for
Speaker 2: an individual, but I would love to find out what
Speaker 2: Oklahoma cities assist percentages, meaning the percentage of their made
Speaker 2: baskets that come off of assists. I would be really
Speaker 2: interested to see what the assist percentage is when he's
Speaker 2: on the floor versus off, because it feels like he's
Speaker 2: the guy that gets them running action side to side,
Speaker 2: just with his willingness to shift adrift like dh O's
Speaker 2: and get when he creates an outlet for himself, he
Speaker 2: just immediately dribbles into the next triple handoff. He just
Speaker 2: kind of gets the things greased on offense and then
Speaker 2: obviously such a great connective passer in the middle of
Speaker 2: the floor as well. We did see some of the
Speaker 2: two big look finally from the Thunder tonight. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest with you, guys, I thought some of the
Speaker 2: discussions surrounding the two big lineup or one big lineup
Speaker 2: or no big lineup was a bit overblown. There are
Speaker 2: pros and cons to all three looks, and I think
Speaker 2: the Thunder are capable of beating the Pacers with all
Speaker 2: three looks. And I feel like a lot of the
Speaker 2: times we just play the results with this stuff, like
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City was up fifteen in the middle of the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter despite going small, despite not playing their two
Speaker 2: big look. Like if Oklahoma City just holds on to
Speaker 2: their lead, we're probably talking about how dag Nault's a
Speaker 2: genius because he identified that the Hartenstein minutes were really
Speaker 2: bad in the regular season, and he gave his team
Speaker 2: a better chance to go up one out. Like I
Speaker 2: thought a lot of that was overblown. Like to me,
Speaker 2: the bigger thing is like, if you're going to go
Speaker 2: to a group, that group has to perform. And we
Speaker 2: saw some of the upside of the two big looks, right.
Speaker 2: We saw Chet with some more opportunities to attack from
Speaker 2: the perimeter. We saw some of the high low passing
Speaker 2: as Hartenstein caught a short roll pass and throw a
Speaker 2: lob to Chet that he dunked. That lineup can be successful. Again,
Speaker 2: I think I didn't think that was like the reason
Speaker 2: they lost in Game one or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: we did see that tonight. We saw how it can
Speaker 2: be impactful. Is say Hartenstein on the floor in twenty
Speaker 2: two minutes, the thunder were plus seventeen and again, like
Speaker 2: I think, I think it all just depends, like there's
Speaker 2: so many different looks that they can go to. Like,
Speaker 2: the reality is is that with Caseen Wallace, they absolutely
Speaker 2: have the type of perimeter defense talent and athleticism to
Speaker 2: still compete on the glass and still stay in front
Speaker 2: of the ball and it's still swarm in and out
Speaker 2: of double teams in the post, and they still can
Speaker 2: do everything with those groups. It's just guys missed open
Speaker 2: looks at the end of game one, and so now
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like Dagnault made some catastrophic
Speaker 2: decision that ruined the series or whatever it is that
Speaker 2: was flying around after those couple of games.
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Speaker 2: But moving on to the Indiana front, you know, I
Speaker 2: was thinking a lot about this thing with Tyree s Alliburton,
Speaker 2: in the fact that he kind of has these games
Speaker 2: where he just disappears for lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: And as is always the case, we become familiar with stars,
Speaker 2: right like over years and years and years, you looks
Speaker 2: like when Nicole Jokich, having covered him very closely over
Speaker 2: the last three to four years, I've become so, you know,
Speaker 2: a fascinated with the different ups and downs, what it
Speaker 2: looks like for him when it's when he struggles, what
Speaker 2: it looks like for him when he's playing really well,
Speaker 2: like a big giveaway from me with Nicole Yokich is
Speaker 2: his three point shooting. Like, when he has his three
Speaker 2: point shooting going, I know that all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it opens up this whole pick and pop and like
Speaker 2: attacking closeouts part of his game that can be downright deadly, right.
Speaker 2: And then we also know that when Jokic gets tired,
Speaker 2: he can kind of lose control of things on the
Speaker 2: defensive end in terms of just how active he is
Speaker 2: at the level of the ball screen with his hands
Speaker 2: and how much resistance he offers at the rim when
Speaker 2: he's in deeper drop coverages or when he's in help. Similarly,
Speaker 2: you know we've been learning about Shay and how like
Speaker 2: Shay in certain types of games, Like to me, the
Speaker 2: bad game for Shae is like what Game one was,
Speaker 2: where he comes out and just shoots every damn shot
Speaker 2: and keeps his team out of rhythm, right, Like, that's
Speaker 2: what a bad game looks like for Shay, And a
Speaker 2: bad game for a guy like Tyre's Halliburton is gonna
Speaker 2: look very different than it does compared to some of
Speaker 2: these other guards.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Each time we get a new star that plays in
Speaker 2: these super intense, heavily game planned high stakes, you know,
Speaker 2: tons of talent on the floor, types of environments. We
Speaker 2: learn more and you know, one of the things that
Speaker 2: I've learned with Tyre's Halliburton is it seems to me
Speaker 2: that Tyres confronts adversity by against these like really athletic
Speaker 2: teams by passing the ball. Like I was talking about
Speaker 2: with Jackson before the show, what would it have looked
Speaker 2: like tonight if Tyre's Halliburton went out and just took
Speaker 2: like twenty five shots. Like, He's not the kind of
Speaker 2: guy that gets elite separation off the dribble from awesome defenders.
Speaker 3: Over and over and over and over.
Speaker 2: Again over the course of a game. That's not really
Speaker 2: what he does. He can, like when he's at his best,
Speaker 2: he will beat switches and hit tough shots. It's not
Speaker 2: like he can't do it, but that's like his game.
Speaker 2: His game is he comes off of action and he
Speaker 2: takes coverage beating passes and coverage beating shots. Sinking off
Speaker 2: the low man, he's gonna skip it, you know, like
Speaker 2: if you stay home in that weak side corner, he's
Speaker 2: gonna throw a lob to the guy or hit a
Speaker 2: bounce pass to the guy. In the pocket, you sink
Speaker 2: down off the nail or into the nail. Help, he's
Speaker 2: gonna take the swing pass. You die on the screen,
Speaker 2: he'll take to pull up three. You apply a little
Speaker 2: bit of back pressure, he's gonna attack and wait till
Speaker 2: somebody reacts to him. If you leave a little bit
Speaker 2: of a gap in there, he'll take the float, he'll
Speaker 2: take the mid range jump.
Speaker 3: Shot right like.
Speaker 2: He is not this high volume score. And it seems
Speaker 2: to me that Tyre's Haliburton looks at a game like
Speaker 2: that and goes, I'm not gonna shoot my team out
Speaker 2: of this mess.
Speaker 3: It's not my game. But what I can do is.
Speaker 2: Keep flying like hell off of these actions and keep
Speaker 2: throwing these pitchbacks and skips and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and just see if we can get this engine running.
Speaker 2: And then when the edgine gets run in, maybe I
Speaker 2: can find my spots to be aggressive in there. Like
Speaker 2: I saw he got going at the end of the game, right,
Speaker 2: it hits a bunch of shots and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the talk was like, well, why wasn't he being more
Speaker 2: aggressive earlier? And I mean they just looked like open
Speaker 2: drop coverage. Looks to me like he got a floater
Speaker 2: and drop coverage because he was open the dunk. Remember
Speaker 2: the dunk that he got. It was a stack pick
Speaker 2: and roll where they backscreened for the role man and
Speaker 2: uh literally, okay, Soe did a terrible job defending it
Speaker 2: and he got a wide open dunk. He had another
Speaker 2: drop coverage play where he hit like a little elbow jumper.
Speaker 2: Like the toughest one he hit was also a drop
Speaker 2: coverage shot. It was like a side view contest from
Speaker 2: jadub where he hit a three a off the right
Speaker 2: wing when it was after he made a bunch of
Speaker 2: shots in a row and he was in a good
Speaker 2: rhythm and hit another wide open three out of the
Speaker 2: right corner. Like he got going as Oklahoma City lightened
Speaker 2: up their defensive intensity and he started getting easy clean
Speaker 2: the offense, Like it's not like he was dribbling off
Speaker 2: of ball screens in the first three quarters and like
Speaker 2: looking right at good drop coverage looks and was like, nope,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull at James Harden and disappear from the game,
Speaker 2: Like no, that's not what he was doing. It's just
Speaker 2: it's become clear to me that Tyree's has certain limitations
Speaker 2: like when teams really ratchet up athletically from like start
Speaker 2: to finish in a game. Like, He's not a guy
Speaker 2: that's going to demonstrate athletic superiority, get separation over and
Speaker 2: over again from elite defenders and knockdown shots. He's the
Speaker 2: Steve Nash of our era. He's gonna keep dribbling in
Speaker 2: and out of the paint and trying to make something happen.
Speaker 2: Like that, That's that's the way he plays. And so
Speaker 2: I think, like that's not to say that that's not
Speaker 2: still one of his bad games.
Speaker 3: Of course it is.
Speaker 2: He wasn't able to get the offensive engine running the
Speaker 2: way that it needed to run. But like, all in all,
Speaker 2: like I tend to look at that's what a bad
Speaker 2: game looks like for Tyre's Halliburton relative to his peers.
Speaker 2: It's a few more turnovers, some misses on some shots
Speaker 2: capable of making, and like, yeah, like he's not gonna
Speaker 2: assert him he doesn't like. His weakness is he can't
Speaker 2: assert himself as a dominant scorer the way that a
Speaker 2: Shae Gills Alexander came. But the flip side is Tyres
Speaker 2: played a much better floor game in game one, and
Speaker 2: his team won Game one of the finals, while Shay
Speaker 2: shot his team out of the game, like quite literally.
Speaker 2: So again like this is just what that give and
Speaker 2: take looks like.
Speaker 3: With Halliburton.
Speaker 2: He is a guy that when he runs into adversity,
Speaker 2: it gets a super athletic defense. His method for solving
Speaker 2: that problem is to pass the basketball and hope his
Speaker 2: teammates can get into a rhythm. He is not Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: He is not a freaky athletic six' sixth dude who's
Speaker 2: going to shoot step back jump shots over and over
Speaker 2: again and turn around fadeaways and beaten elite athletes off
Speaker 2: the dribble over and over. Again this is Why tyres
Speaker 2: is probably never going to be a top five player
Speaker 2: in the league and why he's more like a somewhere
Speaker 2: in the six to ten range or six to fifteen,
Speaker 2: range because this is a. Limitation this is a realistic
Speaker 2: limitation to what he has in his tool bag as an, athlete.
Speaker 3: If that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, OVERALL i thought the story of this game From,
Speaker 2: indiana it's just their. Composure AND i don't mean like
Speaker 2: them playing. Hard they obviously play hard, constantly but there
Speaker 2: have been multiple stretches in this series third quarter tonight
Speaker 2: first half Of game one where it just felt like
Speaker 2: they would force an early post entry before swinging the
Speaker 2: ball around so you get a better, angle or they
Speaker 2: would Like Ben matherns on the left wing And Pascal
Speaker 2: siakam Has Cason wallace posted up and instead of making
Speaker 2: a post, entry he tries to drive into the teeth
Speaker 2: of the defense and actually makes a decent, kickout but
Speaker 2: like instead of taking what was, THERE i thought in,
Speaker 2: general The pacers just weren't as intentional hosting hunting post
Speaker 2: up mismatches tonight as they were In game, One and
Speaker 2: like it just there is a reality to this thunder
Speaker 2: defense being a team that doesn't break down on the
Speaker 2: first action and a lot of times not on the second.
Speaker 2: Action this is a defense you have to break down.
Speaker 2: Incrementally it's gotta Be tyree's running an action at the
Speaker 2: top of the key that generates just the slightest bit
Speaker 2: of a closeout for like you, Know nemhard or somebody
Speaker 2: else off the left wing with someone sprinting at. Them
Speaker 2: then he's got to rack away from the ball from
Speaker 2: the close, out and he's gotta get an even bigger
Speaker 2: help rotation from a different. Player and then he's gonna
Speaker 2: swing and that guy's gonna get closed out on he's
Speaker 2: got to, drive and it's like there's gonna be you,
Speaker 2: know four or five sixty seven pass possessions just for
Speaker 2: The pacers to get decent looks against this thunder off
Speaker 2: at thunder. Defense but to be, CLEAR i have pretty
Speaker 2: consistently seen them in the series when they need to
Speaker 2: generate quality, shots when they can move the ball, around
Speaker 2: when they're, deliberate when they don't turn it, over they
Speaker 2: can get good. Looks and so again for This indiana,
Speaker 2: team it's about not losing their composure Against Oklahoma city's ball.
Speaker 2: Pressure it's The Oklahoma city has done a good job
Speaker 2: of getting The pacers to not look like the pay
Speaker 2: for some of these stretches just with their poor decision
Speaker 2: making and the sloppy. Turnovers and it's a credit to their,
Speaker 2: defense but it's a reality For indiana in terms of
Speaker 2: hanging onto the rope in this. Series they've got to
Speaker 2: hang on for dear. Life and the way they can
Speaker 2: hang on for dear life is by that incremental breaking
Speaker 2: down of the. Defense get the ball at the floor,
Speaker 2: quickly you, know early in the shot. Clock if they
Speaker 2: get a clean look at, three, sure take, it but
Speaker 2: like keep it moving side to. Side eventually something somebody
Speaker 2: will sink into far to the. Paint somebody will make a.
Speaker 2: Mistake Oklahoma city makes fewer mistakes than their peers around
Speaker 2: the league by pretty wide margin on the defensive end
Speaker 2: of the, floor but they still make. Mistakes and so
Speaker 2: to put it, simply if you run more action in each,
Speaker 2: possession you're gonna have more opportunities.
Speaker 3: For them to make.
Speaker 2: Mistakes and they inevitably. Will and in this, series through two,
Speaker 2: games when The pacers get the ball into the half
Speaker 2: court and they get it move inside to side and
Speaker 2: they don't turn it, over they generally have been able
Speaker 2: to generate an okay. Shot It's Justklahoma city has shaken
Speaker 2: them off that foundation a lot with their. Defense, again
Speaker 2: that is What Oklahoma city.
Speaker 3: Does this is just.
Speaker 2: What the tug of war looks. Like all, right let's
Speaker 2: Bring jackson up, here and let's take some. Questions let's
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: First, one, uh there's a few About. Halliburton the first
Speaker 4: is how can The pacers kind of Unlock Tyree's halliburton
Speaker 4: a little? Bit he's obviously gotten stuck in the mud
Speaker 4: a little. Bit is it is it involved him as a.
Speaker 4: Screener what can they do to get him more involved
Speaker 4: than he has been so?
Speaker 2: Far so, again LIKE i think there's a reality to
Speaker 2: the fact that When Oklahoma city really tightens the, screws
Speaker 2: he's not going to be super impactful as a scorer
Speaker 2: in this type of.
Speaker 3: Series.
Speaker 2: Uh to your, point, though they to the questions, point
Speaker 2: like these, actions these using him as a, screener these
Speaker 2: are ways to hopefully find more advantages for him and in,
Speaker 2: general LIKE i thought he did a good job of
Speaker 2: attacking closeouts tonight when he would get catches on the
Speaker 2: perimeter when he would like find himself. Open but, like,
Speaker 2: ULTIMATELY i don't think this is going to be a
Speaker 2: series Where Tyres halliburton is going to be a super
Speaker 2: high volume. SCORE i, mean, guys go back To game.
Speaker 2: One it wasn't like he was having some crazy offensive.
Speaker 2: Game he had some shots, Late but like, it like,
Speaker 2: ultimately in this, series he's the advantage. Creator he's the
Speaker 2: guy that is going to find that first little crack
Speaker 2: In Oklahoma city's defense and then the ball is going
Speaker 2: to continue to be worked around and it's going to
Speaker 2: be a team effort for them to break this, Down
Speaker 2: LIKE i if people are Expecting tyrese to to just
Speaker 2: flex his scoring muscles in this, SERIES i just don't
Speaker 2: think it's something he's going to be able to.
Speaker 4: DO i agree with, That but my sort of follow
Speaker 4: up is to your point about the tougher shot he
Speaker 4: made in the fourth quarter was when he was in
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a. Rhythm what's the balance
Speaker 4: there he should strike, between you, know getting slightly maybe
Speaker 4: not putting up ten shots in a quarter in the first,
Speaker 4: quarter but maybe attempting a few that are just slightly
Speaker 4: more to his way as a post to the flow
Speaker 4: of the, offense to get himself in a rhythm a
Speaker 4: little bit. Earlier not that he needs to be thirty
Speaker 4: points a, game can get in a little bit of
Speaker 4: a rhythm as a score earlier in the.
Speaker 3: Game this is a.
Speaker 2: Really good, take AND i TOTALLY i think YOU'RE i
Speaker 2: think you're making a fantastic, point which is that you
Speaker 2: know it's not all or nothing with either of these, Guys,
Speaker 2: like not every game From shay that's bad needs to
Speaker 2: look Like game. One not every game that That shay
Speaker 2: has that's good needs to look exactly like, tonight there's
Speaker 2: an in between, ground, right and like the to your,
Speaker 2: point like we've talked about this concept a lot on
Speaker 2: the show over the course of the last couple of.
Speaker 2: Months but like the scoring, archetype their demons in their
Speaker 2: head try to get them to shoot when they probably should.
Speaker 2: Pass and for the playmaking, archetype the demons in their
Speaker 2: head are like pass the ball when they probably should.
Speaker 2: Shoot and so, yeah like this was a bad game From.
Speaker 2: TYRESE i want to be, Clear i'm just, saying Like
Speaker 2: i'm starting TO i understand more of What tyrese's bad
Speaker 2: games look like in the sense that he knows like
Speaker 2: you think he's looking at Lou, dort, like let me
Speaker 2: just go to, like, no that's not what he's thinking
Speaker 2: when he's looking at that. Matchup he's if he'd had
Speaker 2: to play one on one against Lou, dort there's a
Speaker 2: chance that he'd really struggle to get shots. Up like
Speaker 2: LIKE i, mean like literally if they played Like Lance
Speaker 2: stevenson and who's it Of Mike beasley the other, Day
Speaker 2: so like you if you play that kind of, game
Speaker 2: that's not that's not his. Game but like to your,
Speaker 2: point maybe taking a couple more of those like one
Speaker 2: or two more of those like questionable looks in the
Speaker 2: first few quarters could go a long way towards giving
Speaker 2: him a little bit more rhythm when he needs to score.
Speaker 4: Later next, question when WILL J dubb show? Up he
Speaker 4: felt like he had a better game, today but he's
Speaker 4: still shooting under thirty five percent this. Series what can
Speaker 4: he do to help himself on the offensive?
Speaker 2: End he's just not hitting his jump. SHOTS i thought
Speaker 2: he got some pretty damn good looks from three in
Speaker 2: this game that he just, missed which is how it.
Speaker 2: Goes but, overall LIKE i, mean he had nineteen points
Speaker 2: and fourteen. Shots almost everything from him was downhill towards the.
Speaker 2: Rim he was that was how he kept continuing to
Speaker 2: get to the foul. Line and, like, HONESTLY i feel LIKE.
Speaker 2: J dubb has been pretty good since the first half
Speaker 2: Of game. One LIKE i thought he was pretty good
Speaker 2: with his attacks in the second half Of game. One
Speaker 2: he just hasn't been able to find his three point shot.
Speaker 2: Yet but, like a lot of this is comfort and
Speaker 2: rhythm and like like it really doesn't matter as long
Speaker 2: as he hits him when he needs. To so like
Speaker 2: here you are one to one there's gonna probably be a,
Speaker 2: chance maybe It's game, three maybe It's game four where
Speaker 2: he's gonna need to hit some catch and shoot, threes
Speaker 2: and if he hits those, ones like, yeah there are
Speaker 2: gonna be people who hunt the box score and be, like,
Speaker 2: oh he didn't have a very good statistical, series but
Speaker 2: ultimately to win this, series he's just gonna have to
Speaker 2: hit some more jump. Shots AND i think he's certainly
Speaker 2: capable of. It BUT i thought he played pretty well
Speaker 2: tonight to be.
Speaker 3: Honest, YEAH i agree with. YOU i agree with.
Speaker 4: You one More haliburton. Question then we got a few
Speaker 4: more on THE okc, side These halliburton struggles and him
Speaker 4: as his. Score is there something he can add to
Speaker 4: his game to avoid these kind of disappearing acts in the,
Speaker 4: future or do you think because of sort of just
Speaker 4: his style of play that this limitations are who he
Speaker 4: is and sort of what he needs to just sort
Speaker 4: of live with, throughout you, know his career at this.
Speaker 2: Point so step one is like acknowledging the reality of
Speaker 2: like who he is as an, athlete which is like
Speaker 2: he's a very Good like he is a very good,
Speaker 2: athlete but he is not an elite athlete like he is.
Speaker 2: Not he doesn't have like that first step quickness that
Speaker 2: Shake gil Just alexander has that gives him the, Ability like,
Speaker 2: What shay's one of the top two or three scores
Speaker 2: in the. LEAGUE i think we can all agree on, that,
Speaker 2: Right so what Makes shay's such an elite. Scorer it's,
Speaker 2: one he's got this unbelievable first, step but, two he
Speaker 2: also like has the ability to out of any footwork
Speaker 2: from any spot on the, floor rise up into a jump.
Speaker 2: Shot he can turn over his right, shoulder he can
Speaker 2: turn over his left, shoulder he can step back going,
Speaker 2: right he can step back going, Left he can do
Speaker 2: all of the different jump shooting angles and finishes and
Speaker 2: things along those. Lines and so as a result of,
Speaker 2: that like he is not short of ways to get
Speaker 2: a shot off against an elite. Defender, Now Tyre's halliburton
Speaker 2: doesn't elevate super high on his jump, shot doesn't really
Speaker 2: have the ability to shoot fadeaways over both, shoulders like
Speaker 2: turning and spinning out of the post or anything like.
Speaker 2: That but what he does have is he's a very
Speaker 2: good three point. Shooter and SO i imagine it being more
Speaker 2: of like if he can get to the point where
Speaker 2: like he does a lot of stuff out of a
Speaker 2: high hesitation on his right, Hand like he kind of
Speaker 2: is constantly like feathering together high. Hesitations everything chains together from.
Speaker 2: THERE a lot of times you'll like chain three or
Speaker 2: four of them together while he's waiting for a play to, develop,
Speaker 2: right and he's just kind of eyes on the, rim
Speaker 2: handing that high hesitation like maybe a dame step, back
Speaker 2: like just really a really hard in and out dribble
Speaker 2: to get just that little tiny bit of separation and
Speaker 2: rise and fire and then just a little bit of
Speaker 2: work quickening the release and then again like it's all, levels,
Speaker 2: Right like everyone wants to know the difference Between steph
Speaker 2: and all the other great guards of his. Era you
Speaker 2: want to know what it. Is a chasm of the
Speaker 2: ability to make three point. Shots like, ultimately it's about
Speaker 2: becoming a guy that doesn't hit thirty seven thirty eight
Speaker 2: percent of, them but becoming a guy that hits forty
Speaker 2: two forty three percent of them at high. Volume and
Speaker 2: SO i THINK i think the best pathway For tyres
Speaker 2: to have him reliable is the wrong, word because there'll
Speaker 2: still be some some variance involving shooting but, like to,
Speaker 2: me the pathway For tyrese to become a guy who
Speaker 2: can like average twenty five points a game in a
Speaker 2: playoff run is to just become one of the best
Speaker 2: shooters in the. LEAGUE i think that's the move for.
Speaker 2: Him and then, again like just little quick moves that
Speaker 2: capitalize on his speed and his passing ability to like
Speaker 2: sneak three point shots off against the.
Speaker 3: CONTEST a couple.
Speaker 4: More, questions then we'll go over to. Playback next, question
Speaker 4: what was the end season tournament lost good FOR okc in,
Speaker 4: retrospect feels like they've finally learned from that loss and
Speaker 4: last year's playoff, loss And i've sort of taken some
Speaker 4: of those lessons to be able to get over the
Speaker 4: hump a little.
Speaker 3: Bit.
Speaker 2: ABSOLUTELY i, Mean i'm a huge fan of the end season,
Speaker 2: tournament but, like like you, know you don't think that
Speaker 2: was ANOTHER i talk about this all the, time like scar.
Speaker 2: Tissue you get scar tissue from losing any real, competitor
Speaker 2: any competitor worth his salt is still thinking about losses
Speaker 2: that he's had in his past or that she's had
Speaker 2: in her.
Speaker 3: Past like we've all been.
Speaker 2: There you lose a, game it should eat at you
Speaker 2: and what typically happens is you think about a moment Like,
Speaker 2: Jackson i'm sure you've lost a game in like a
Speaker 2: men's league where like you think about a single rebound you,
Speaker 2: missed or a single turnover you had in a big,
Speaker 2: spot or like a play where, you you, know maybe
Speaker 2: settled for a shot when there was a driving lane
Speaker 2: or something like. That, like like those things haunt. You
Speaker 2: they haunt, you and you need high leverage basketball to
Speaker 2: build that part of your game. Out that attention to,
Speaker 2: detail that fear of losing that that like just unwillingness
Speaker 2: to let it happen, again, Right and SO i absolutely
Speaker 2: think The Ncason tournament lost help this.
Speaker 4: Team last question before, playback what do you think the
Speaker 4: ceiling is For? Mathrin shay got the better of him at,
Speaker 4: points but he Would it's great seeing him fight over
Speaker 4: screens and stay attached and he's great at getting.
Speaker 3: Downhill how old Is Ben matherin?
Speaker 2: NOW png on one second twenty two so and he's
Speaker 2: about to turn twenty three On june. NINETEEN i THINK
Speaker 2: i Think ben's been super impressive for a young, Guard
Speaker 2: like think about how many young guards now, again like
Speaker 2: this is this is how it's all relative because like
Speaker 2: remember like ants twenty three and just let his team
Speaker 2: to back to Back Western conference. Finals so like this
Speaker 2: is part of WHY i tell everyone to back the
Speaker 2: hell off when it comes To Anthony. Edwards but With,
Speaker 2: ben there is like you saw, It like he admitted
Speaker 2: a couple of, fouls but like he can slide those
Speaker 2: feet and stay in front of a pretty quick athlete In,
Speaker 2: Shaye like he's got a ton of potential as a defensive.
Speaker 2: Player his downhill athleticism is a legitimate. Problem he's able
Speaker 2: to draw fouls against The Oklahoma city. Team he's got
Speaker 2: to continue to polish up the jump shot and his decision,
Speaker 2: making and there's certainly a long way to. Go but
Speaker 2: Like ben strikes me as a guy who by age twenty,
Speaker 2: six age twenty, seven is going to be a guy
Speaker 2: who could be in that like twenty five to thirty
Speaker 2: five range in this. League LIKE i absolutely think he can,
Speaker 2: be like you, know a guy who makes An All
Speaker 2: star team or two and is like a rock, solid
Speaker 2: high level starter in this. League and so LIKE I
Speaker 2: i'm pretty high On. Ben and to, me you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i had we had a mailback question the other day
Speaker 2: where someone asked, like, hey like what about the you,
Speaker 2: know like what about the two in the three spot
Speaker 2: for the? Pacers should they look to upgrade that this?
Speaker 2: Summer and, like to, Me, Ben ben's that. Guy ben's
Speaker 2: the guy that can age into being the upgrade at
Speaker 2: the two or the. Three he's the guy that can
Speaker 2: bring that real athletic pop and scoring. Pop so, Like
Speaker 2: i'm a big believer In ben and like the fact
Speaker 2: that you're getting anything useful out of him at this
Speaker 2: point as a twenty two year old in this rotation
Speaker 2: is is to me found. Money All, right, guys that's
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