Speaker 1: R and b's money. We are thank you take VALICHII.
Speaker 1: We are the authority on R and D. What's going on.
Speaker 2: I am tank, this is the Valentine and this is
Speaker 2: the Army Money podcast, the authority on all things R
Speaker 2: and B. And we got in the building. Me and
Speaker 2: his brother go back, like way back, like we used
Speaker 2: to rent.
Speaker 1: Lamborghinis from the same guy. Now we can afford to
Speaker 1: own that. You're the sailor saying he can get more
Speaker 1: Lamborghinis than me. Now he can get lambas. We got
Speaker 1: this brother in the house.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he did it.
Speaker 2: I don't know how he's doing it, but he's continuing
Speaker 2: to change the game and elevate himself and.
Speaker 1: All the people around him. We're gonna find out today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out today. Hint maker in the builder.
Speaker 2: Yes, first of all, thank you, Bro, Thank you for
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bro, Thank you for my brother been here. Man,
Speaker 2: I've I've watched you for a very long time. I
Speaker 2: think you were sitting in an expedition. Was an expedition
Speaker 2: and in the uh in the parking lot at the
Speaker 2: Underdogs Old joint on on in North Hollywood, and you
Speaker 2: had to window down. You were smoking a little bit.
Speaker 2: You had your leg up and you said, listen, man,
Speaker 2: you need to get some records from me. And look
Speaker 2: at you, and I was looking at you, and I
Speaker 2: need to get some records with you. You need to
Speaker 2: get some records from me. I got hit, you got
Speaker 2: hit R and B hits, I got everything. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call you. I'm gonna call you.
Speaker 1: Already. Listen, listen cut to you called it. You had him,
Speaker 1: you got him that some crazy times the Underdogs, Bro.
Speaker 3: Like I know y'all experience with the Underdogs is way
Speaker 3: different than mine. But just like catching that wave and
Speaker 3: being around Damon and Harvey and all them other time, Man,
Speaker 3: you gotta think they had like the Avengers of songwriters
Speaker 3: and producers all in are yourself, Jay j Q, what's Dawkins?
Speaker 3: It was just like, Bro, it was amazing. I learned
Speaker 3: a lot really at that. And that's where I met
Speaker 3: Aaron Ray that signed an interscope or whatever Underdogs and
Speaker 3: we built our relationship. But man, damn, shout out to Damon, Bro.
Speaker 3: I just seen this last TV interview.
Speaker 1: You are wild. Listen and if hit make it casts
Speaker 1: you a wild boy? Wold I to live with him.
Speaker 1: So you know when I was damnar homeless, he let
Speaker 1: me stay in one of his rooms. He was solid,
Speaker 1: he was cool.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, we was up on top of the hill
Speaker 2: and the pool it would simmer and the steam will
Speaker 2: come on for we just called the hot dog water.
Speaker 2: So you know that don't sound right, but well, Paul,
Speaker 2: we'll pause it. You know what's going on there. So
Speaker 2: listen with with with with our with our pod. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like we are, we celebrate the
Speaker 2: music one hundred percent, and you go back a long way,
Speaker 2: even before Hit Making. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 2: had hits before Hit Maker. Yeah, young And so I
Speaker 2: think I think first people, people. I don't want people
Speaker 2: to get lost in in what they see now and
Speaker 2: not understand the process and what it took for you
Speaker 2: to fucking get here, bro.
Speaker 1: And and if we can start at the.
Speaker 2: Beginning and kind of and kind of get to those
Speaker 2: pivotal points that were game changing for you and then
Speaker 2: make our way to one of the craziest shames I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. If we can make our way there, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, The people would love that. Okay, Alright,
Speaker 2: So the beginning. I'm from South side of Chicago, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I started there and like
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know, my parents are a millionaires,
Speaker 2: so like I came from.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like I ain't never had a.
Speaker 3: Sandwich, a hot dog, a hamburger, lunchable. I ain't never
Speaker 3: had burger king I briefly like a McDonald's nugget maybe
Speaker 3: or something like that.
Speaker 1: I ain't never had none of that shit in my life.
Speaker 3: And I'm in my mid thirties right now, so like
Speaker 3: that ain't never happened to me.
Speaker 1: Ever.
Speaker 3: I ain't have peanut butter and jelly. I ain't never
Speaker 3: had a motherfucking.
Speaker 1: Uh you had chefs? Yeah, you know, you know I
Speaker 1: met his pops.
Speaker 3: No, I met his pop to the BMI award me
Speaker 3: this fool and Damon Thomas at the same table and
Speaker 3: his daddy, Yeah, his daddy.
Speaker 1: Cool and the motherfucker. And he keep his camera out.
Speaker 3: He said, he said wait because he saw somebody else
Speaker 3: talk to me, said wait, did they say you was
Speaker 3: Jay Valentine.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, like, ain't put our records in the honey.
Speaker 1: He like, I know who you are. Let's take this picture.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a p everybody in here tonight. He
Speaker 1: in a mix, he not playing nah. So that that happened.
Speaker 3: And then I was, you know, back in the day,
Speaker 3: I was well, my next door neighbor was Shawna from
Speaker 3: Disturbing the Piece or whatever where getting some head. Her
Speaker 3: dad is buddy guy. So they were my next door neighbor.
Speaker 3: They were the first people I seen indoor pool outdoor
Speaker 3: pool flexed up or whatever. So she was in rap
Speaker 3: groups and she was rapping and like that kind of
Speaker 3: like rubbed off on me, my brothers and like all
Speaker 3: the people around her or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I just seen it from that view.
Speaker 3: And then as I got older, I was a bad kid,
Speaker 3: bro like not really bad, like.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I was bad.
Speaker 3: So, like my parents got a divorce and my dad
Speaker 3: went back to the city and lived in one of
Speaker 3: his apartment building pretty much like he went back to
Speaker 3: the hood and we was living in his apartment building
Speaker 3: on the East side of Chicago whatever, because my dad
Speaker 3: is like a real like real estate mogul in Chicago.
Speaker 3: But he when they had a divorce, we left a
Speaker 3: big house and he's like, fucking, I'm gonna just go
Speaker 3: live in one of my buildings and I'm gonna raise
Speaker 3: my son. I didn't live with my mom. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: live with my dad. I got like the opposite story.
Speaker 3: So from there, I man, I started drinking and smoking,
Speaker 3: probably like sixth grade something like that.
Speaker 1: Like so I.
Speaker 3: Remember being in love or raps and shit, and like
Speaker 3: my daily routine, like my dad would give mem like
Speaker 3: twelve dollars for lunch money. I would go and buy
Speaker 3: like a nickel bag of weed. I would buy half
Speaker 3: pint of Seguins.
Speaker 4: Gain.
Speaker 3: I would get on the bus and write raps and
Speaker 3: go to school. And this is like eighth grade, freshman
Speaker 3: year in high school.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like I was wild and
Speaker 1: I used to have a crackhead. Go buy me a
Speaker 1: half pint of Seguins. Hey, man, you got you. And
Speaker 1: this guy no, no, no, I did my research on him.
Speaker 1: He's different. Yeah, he was different, like for real, for real.
Speaker 3: From there, I ended up meeting up some street niggas,
Speaker 3: you know the whole story, And then pretty much I
Speaker 3: created a demo with this guy named Bugs who still
Speaker 3: works with Kanye to this day. They like right hand
Speaker 3: or whatever. So my demo had Jesus walk beat on it.
Speaker 3: My demo had all wait.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait that actual beat.
Speaker 3: The beat to Jesus Walks was a song by me
Speaker 3: before it was Kanye's song, and it was on my
Speaker 3: demo which led to me to get signed as a kid.
Speaker 3: So from there, Boom the Dope Boy, the street dudes
Speaker 3: or whatever, they take me, and then like we do
Speaker 3: the whole little tour, like I remember Tommy Boy wanted
Speaker 3: to sign me. I met a whole bunch of different
Speaker 3: people out here. There used to be a club called
Speaker 3: Luna Park, and I think like the Lakers that just
Speaker 3: won a championship my mind. You back when I was
Speaker 3: a little dude, I was like four foot four, like
Speaker 3: I was like little little burg or whatever for real,
Speaker 3: for real, and I rapped for like jay Z, Dang Dash,
Speaker 3: Doctor Dre.
Speaker 1: All these different people.
Speaker 3: So everybody was offering me deals, and just so happened,
Speaker 3: Eve had a stylist named Joe Exclusive that.
Speaker 1: I shout out to.
Speaker 3: Joe Exclusive always somewhere, always in the mix for sure.
Speaker 3: That was Eve's stylist, and I've been around Eve a lot.
Speaker 1: So he introduced me to DMX.
Speaker 3: At what these bitches want from a nigga video shoot
Speaker 3: at the Paramount Lout or whatever. And then from there
Speaker 3: I gave DMX my demo and he was.
Speaker 1: Like, yo, Shorty, Uh smoke, but I'm gonna get to
Speaker 1: you later or whatever. So he went smoking.
Speaker 3: I went and I rapped for him and like, I'm
Speaker 3: from Chicago. So my first rap was like I say,
Speaker 3: go off with a tent, smoke, film to the hill
Speaker 3: and like some twister shit, and he was like, Yo, Shorty,
Speaker 3: I understand what the fuck you said, Give me another one.
Speaker 3: So I did another one, the whole fucking trailer of reps.
Speaker 3: And the next day I come back, Aliyah's daddy in
Speaker 3: the trailer playing my music.
Speaker 1: They're going crazy or whatever. Lead to me.
Speaker 3: Signing the DMX, And that's what fourteen like a real kid.
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 3: I was like me, now I'm smoking cigarette, smoking weed, drinking,
Speaker 3: Like who you you with.
Speaker 1: Your you with your guys from Chicago? You not with Pops?
Speaker 1: You not?
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't with Pops. So like I'm moving like
Speaker 3: a grown man. Yeah, Like I was really rebellious. So
Speaker 3: you gotta think back in those days, the rapping was
Speaker 3: about staying true to like I mean, I had so
Speaker 3: many bricks in my raps or whatever, like I wanted
Speaker 3: to be industry Like I was literally selling crack, like
Speaker 3: like my parents were millionaires and I was spitting out
Speaker 3: rocks and selling them to my like crackheads on the corner,
Speaker 3: Like I really wanted to live that life like and
Speaker 3: be about that with my raps.
Speaker 1: So from there, my pops.
Speaker 3: In them scene, I was so rebellious that they just
Speaker 3: didn't stand in my way. I was leaving regardless whether
Speaker 3: y'all let me go or whatever. I'm going regardless. So
Speaker 3: they took me all these different places and then that
Speaker 3: was my first time meeting ray Ja, and then DMX
Speaker 3: was just like Shorty, I'm gonna sign you. It's not
Speaker 3: gonna be quick, but I'm gonna sign you. And I
Speaker 3: was like I bet and the street dudes that brought
Speaker 3: me there, they got insecure because I was working with
Speaker 3: everybody wanted to sign me, and I wasn't the lead
Speaker 3: act like the guy's like son was the lead act.
Speaker 3: And I won't say, now he's selling music business or whatever,
Speaker 3: God bless them or whatever. So that shit happened, and
Speaker 3: like this was like my first like crazy experience in
Speaker 3: the music business, Like I never forget it. We was
Speaker 3: in New York and DMX was pulling up the Quad
Speaker 3: studio and they're like, Yo, we're gonna DMX. Want to
Speaker 3: see I was there with Eve with the street guys.
Speaker 3: So the street guys like they pulled me in the
Speaker 3: bathroom like, nigga, you act like you want to sign
Speaker 3: a DMX thing. We're gonna kill your mama, We're gonna
Speaker 3: kill your daddy. Nigga, we don't give a fuck. But
Speaker 3: I'm like like, damn, Like I'm a kid fourteen, So
Speaker 3: I see X. I was holding back a little bit,
Speaker 3: X telling me like, we got the deal. We're gonna
Speaker 3: give you fifty thousand dollars advance. Were gonna do this,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't really show no love. So we went
Speaker 3: back to Chicago, were in the studio and the guy
Speaker 3: that owned the studio came in and he wasn't a rapper.
Speaker 3: He just went and gotten a booth while he was
Speaker 3: in there working, Like, yeah, shorty, I busting that in
Speaker 3: your mama face, and I do this that and the third.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this is you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I went in the booth and I lit his
Speaker 3: ass up, flamed this ass up and.
Speaker 1: Ship from now.
Speaker 3: When I came out the booth, pop pop niggas to
Speaker 3: start putting hands on me or whatever, and they like
Speaker 3: locked me in the room and like bugs was the
Speaker 3: guy that pulled me out the room. And then that's
Speaker 3: how I got out my contract with the street guys
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then I signed my deal with DMX,
Speaker 3: and that's how that started him. Yeah, he was the producer.
Speaker 3: He's a top producer. Got that just taught me all
Speaker 3: the stuff. Like the street guy. No, he's a producer,
Speaker 3: he's just a music guy. But the street guy that
Speaker 3: was running ship was on some sugar night ship. So
Speaker 3: when like after he rapped and after he put the
Speaker 3: pieces on me, he like handed me a pin in
Speaker 3: a and a and a paper like write a rap, nigga,
Speaker 3: Write a rap, I own you nigga. And then I
Speaker 3: was a kid. So once they put hands on me,
Speaker 3: you know, I went back and told my parents and
Speaker 3: that's how I got out that deal with the street
Speaker 3: dudes and then DMX signed me directly ship. So that's
Speaker 3: like early and this is the beginning. This is your
Speaker 3: first experience in the music video. Yes, amazingly enough, So
Speaker 3: that was that was pretty crazy, and then that started
Speaker 3: the DMX era, the Bloodline era.
Speaker 1: Like resting piece of X.
Speaker 3: Man, that man was really good to me, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Pauls and uh man, I mean he
Speaker 3: stole my first piece of pussy like I was still
Speaker 3: a virgin. He dirty stole my first piece of ass, Like.
Speaker 1: Was it really yours though? Because he was the star? Yes,
Speaker 1: but look so look yes it was it was. We
Speaker 1: all know how this shit goes.
Speaker 3: I took a question of my So look, we in
Speaker 3: Canada film and Exit Wounds the movie or whatever with
Speaker 3: Steven Seagal and all them, and I'm up there with
Speaker 3: him while he's up there, and we go to a
Speaker 3: club and we vibe and he loves pool, so we
Speaker 3: go to a club that got pool tables and then
Speaker 3: we vibing and whatever. And I found me a joint
Speaker 3: and I'm vibe with the joint the whole night. So
Speaker 3: you know, to play the artist when he leave, he
Speaker 3: leaving his car and then the Antourize they get in
Speaker 3: with the homies the security. So I got in with
Speaker 3: the Anthouraze with the girl too, and I'm in the
Speaker 3: band playing with Spliffer. You know what I'm saying it's
Speaker 3: my first time. So this nigga DMX is literally a
Speaker 3: dog though like rest in pieces. Literally like a real
Speaker 3: dog in human form. So like I get out the car,
Speaker 3: he already in his room security and got history. I
Speaker 3: go up there and like he had the presidential suite
Speaker 3: and I was in room like sixteen oh two right.
Speaker 1: Next to his.
Speaker 3: So I get there and I'm putting the key in
Speaker 3: the room and next thing I know, the door fling
Speaker 3: open the presidential suite.
Speaker 1: He're like what up? I'm like what up? He like, heyo, ma,
Speaker 1: I think you love your person room. And we never
Speaker 1: been to the hotel at all. Like we met these
Speaker 1: women at the.
Speaker 3: Hotel and he made a bline away from me and
Speaker 3: I never seen.
Speaker 1: That woman again. So what I'm going to tell you,
Speaker 1: my brother, it wasn't you. You weren't you. Weren't hit
Speaker 1: making yet he wasn't you. Wasn't hit making, And that
Speaker 1: was your introduction into this ship. I was trying to
Speaker 1: jump in the game. Man. He took it, took my
Speaker 1: took my vibe away from me. Man for real. So
Speaker 1: whoever you.
Speaker 3: Are, young lady, if you're watching this right now, you're
Speaker 3: not low viral.
Speaker 2: So what's the what's the next pivotal point? Do you
Speaker 2: think after signing the d m X, now it's time
Speaker 2: now starting to show improved.
Speaker 1: I put some numbers on the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that X when they gave him
Speaker 3: the deal or whatever, he was just so on fire
Speaker 3: that he didn't really know the business.
Speaker 1: And that's what was that depth jail.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in the vibe of really creating a business.
Speaker 1: He was X you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But he had the right people around him, Shot to Jazz,
Speaker 3: Young Tina Davis, Kevin Lyles, Leo, all the people that
Speaker 3: was around or whatever. So at that point, the nigga
Speaker 3: gave me a dog and was like, sure, you gotta
Speaker 3: take this dog everywhere with you. So like I literally
Speaker 3: had a dog, a pitbull, and I took the dog
Speaker 3: out of a dog taking a shit in depth jam
Speaker 3: in front of Lee or office.
Speaker 1: They ain't saying nothing to me.
Speaker 3: Or whatever, Like I'm really running around with a dog
Speaker 3: from there at fourteen too.
Speaker 1: Yes, So here's the crazy chain of events.
Speaker 3: So now I got guns and shit in my house
Speaker 3: or whatever, like I'm wilding. So like one of my
Speaker 3: people's double cocked the gun while I wasn't there, and
Speaker 3: the gun went off. And I was living in a
Speaker 3: town home, so the gun went through my floor and
Speaker 3: went through a baby's carriage, but thank god, the baby
Speaker 3: wasn't there. So the police rushed my crib that they
Speaker 3: had paid for me. I was living in Edgewater, New
Speaker 3: Jersey or whatever. This word got back to my mom
Speaker 3: and my dad, and then you know, them being rich people.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I went back to.
Speaker 3: Chicago and my mom hit me like, yo, I want
Speaker 3: to take you to the mall. I'm like, shit, I'm
Speaker 3: about to go back to New York. I do want
Speaker 3: to grab a couple things. Come on, let's go.
Speaker 1: So we went.
Speaker 3: She getting all these mysterious phone calls and shit, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck is going on? She like, I was
Speaker 3: my new husband. He's gonna meet us at the mall.
Speaker 3: So we go in the mall, I buy some shit.
Speaker 3: I come out and it's two Samoan niggas, like six
Speaker 3: foot niggas at my mom car. And then I'm like
Speaker 3: what's up and she's like they're like, hey, Chris, these
Speaker 3: guys are working on my house. And they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we hear you do music. Good to meet you. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, then my mom.
Speaker 1: Is just like Chris, you gotta go to school, and
Speaker 1: just went and jumped in a car.
Speaker 3: Nigga popped the trunk and it was all clothes and
Speaker 3: shit like that. So now I'm in the parking lot
Speaker 3: of the mall fighting with these two Samoan niggas. They
Speaker 3: put me in cuffs, the plastic cuffs, and they put
Speaker 3: all the shit out my mom trunk and put in
Speaker 3: a car and they put me in a rental car.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just riding. Yes it's a Rick Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Yes I'm riding. I got a record deal, I'm signing
Speaker 3: to Depth Jam, I'm doing all this shit.
Speaker 1: So we driving.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, bet we in Chicago. Now we
Speaker 3: downtown Chicago. I'm like, oh, where the fuck were going?
Speaker 3: They like, we can't tell you nothing, you'll know when
Speaker 3: you get there. So now we're at Old Hair Airport.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck is we doing at the airport?
Speaker 3: So they holding me as we walked through TA saying
Speaker 3: it's too Samoan dudes, And it was a black lady
Speaker 3: she like.
Speaker 1: Get your hands off that boy. What you got I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know them. I run away in the airport.
Speaker 3: I run to a daddy and my dumb ass, I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: just take me wherever y'all gonna take me. We get there,
Speaker 3: We get on the first plane, we go to Vegas.
Speaker 1: They give me a note.
Speaker 3: The note was from my mom basically saying she signed
Speaker 3: away all her child parental rights to a concentration camp
Speaker 3: type shit, and I was going to school or whatever.
Speaker 3: And from there I ended up in Spokane, Washington. From there,
Speaker 3: I ended up in Thompson Falls, Montana, and that's how
Speaker 3: I lost my record deal with DMX. They put me
Speaker 3: in a boarding school to where you couldn't look at girls,
Speaker 3: you couldn't have condiments while buying. They paying five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a month for you to be there. So while
Speaker 3: you were there and they telling you a piece of shit,
Speaker 3: your parents is going to seminars to convince them to
Speaker 3: tell them this is the best thing for you.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Me being a delinquent, I acted up there. They sent
Speaker 3: me to Jamaica to some shit called High Impact, so
Speaker 3: I had to walk the same school sent you. Your
Speaker 3: parents They signed the people are just moving you around.
Speaker 1: They signed over.
Speaker 3: They right, I was being I was acting out in
Speaker 3: Montana and they sent me to some shit called High
Speaker 3: Impact in Jamaica. I had to walk one hundred laps
Speaker 3: with a ten pound brick on my back. So getting
Speaker 3: back to Thompson Falls, Montana, and I did that, and
Speaker 3: then my father finally came and got me like nine
Speaker 3: months later.
Speaker 1: I didn't know nine to eleven happened. I didn't know nothing.
Speaker 3: You couldn't watch TV, you couldn't read books, you couldn't
Speaker 3: do it. So you basically just cut off from the world.
Speaker 3: And that's how I lost my record deal with Dmax.
Speaker 1: What's the name of this school. It was called Spring
Speaker 1: Creek Academy and they.
Speaker 3: If you google it right now, like they got shipped
Speaker 3: with like the people the guards with sexually harassing people.
Speaker 3: Like they found out that the owner of the shit.
Speaker 1: Was a molester.
Speaker 2: Like it's like a crazy, crazy storys hitting went through.
Speaker 1: Oh they sit there to a boarding school. Yeah, they sit.
Speaker 3: And people don't realize that, and not even just black
Speaker 3: any like rich people, rich people send their kids to
Speaker 3: boarding school, like.
Speaker 1: A boarding school. Yeah, my mama said, you do one
Speaker 1: more thing.
Speaker 3: So what happened that you out your pants can afford
Speaker 3: to board school.
Speaker 1: That's why you didn't go. No, he ain't do that
Speaker 1: thing or what happened. I think that's what saved the
Speaker 1: five km.
Speaker 2: That's when I got kicked out of school. So when
Speaker 2: I got finally kicked out, like my father came up
Speaker 2: to the school, it's like maybe like a month and
Speaker 2: a half left of school. My father came up to
Speaker 2: school for like the you know, thirteenth fourteenth time, and
Speaker 2: the principal looked at my father and said, listen, if
Speaker 2: you take him home and never bring him back, I'll
Speaker 2: pass them take him.
Speaker 1: He was like me, but he was doing this in
Speaker 1: a military.
Speaker 3: House, my father military trip. What I got torn out
Speaker 3: of the frame, I shit was different. See I was
Speaker 3: getting all F's, my whole port car with f when
Speaker 3: I got these, boy, I was getting Jordan's. I got
Speaker 3: a C boy, I was getting Jordan's.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. But you know, you know what the wild
Speaker 1: thing about that.
Speaker 3: And I was having a conversation with my guy both
Speaker 3: that produced to show with us. We were talking about
Speaker 3: that and a lot of times what it is is
Speaker 3: is curriculums. Right, like you were a talented child, right,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that that fits inside of the frame
Speaker 3: of the way that our curriculums are set up. They
Speaker 3: were trying to teach you things that you were never
Speaker 3: going to use in your life, right because let's let's
Speaker 3: be honest, most of these things.
Speaker 1: Are built on people raising.
Speaker 3: Workers use for societies to work, you need workers, so
Speaker 3: a lot of times they only teach you to be that.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So when you have this talent, that's why you see
Speaker 3: so many kids that have become successful say they told
Speaker 3: me I wasn't gonna never be shit. It's some of
Speaker 3: you niggas out here lying, some of your niggas lying.
Speaker 1: You're teaching, and that you look dumb ass.
Speaker 3: But it did happen to a lot of kids though
Speaker 3: that didn't want to pay attention in there because these
Speaker 3: things didn't peak their interests.
Speaker 1: I'm interested.
Speaker 3: So I look at someone like yourself and I see
Speaker 3: your successes and I'm like, oh, okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, he didn't know it and he's
Speaker 3: not a smart dude, because you obviously a smart guy.
Speaker 1: You know how to run your business.
Speaker 3: But these things that they were teaching, and the way
Speaker 3: that they were teaching you were not advantageous.
Speaker 1: To where you were going.
Speaker 3: Hell no, I wasn't, and I'm glad I won't remember
Speaker 3: that point because it's something that happened later in my
Speaker 3: life when I worked at Atlantic Records that remind me
Speaker 3: of what you just said or whatever. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: keep that in mind when we get to that moment though,
Speaker 3: for real.
Speaker 1: That's all facts right there. So your cops come get
Speaker 1: you out of border. He saved you. Yeah, wait, but
Speaker 1: did he sign you know you were going there?
Speaker 3: You know I've been so bad, You know how you
Speaker 3: just so terrible to your parents that your dad.
Speaker 1: Might drop Mike and be like, man, you can't even
Speaker 1: get your mama.
Speaker 3: I could do my mama harping on doing this shit,
Speaker 3: but I ain't put him in a position to where
Speaker 3: he could throw any more flak back.
Speaker 1: I'd already been so bogused. Was like, all right, bet
Speaker 1: God ahead, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So he came and got me. I found out nine
Speaker 3: to eleven happened. I found out a Lea passed. I
Speaker 3: ain't know nothing like I got I lovely. I got
Speaker 3: a tattoo of Lee on the back of my neck
Speaker 3: with folk Drake and all stuff or whatever shout to Drake.
Speaker 1: But so from there, like my dad was.
Speaker 3: Just put me on game, like yo, you know you
Speaker 3: got cousins that do music too, like Kenny Gambo is
Speaker 3: your cousin Gamble and Huff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is that? And then they started.
Speaker 3: He started putting on Game and like all the records
Speaker 3: they had rolled or whatever. So I'm like, damn, that's
Speaker 3: what's up. And my dad took me back to the city.
Speaker 3: He invested in me. He helped me getting the studio
Speaker 3: or whatever, get some studio time. And from there I
Speaker 3: was like making dope music. And I went and I
Speaker 3: knew Eve, and then Troy Carter became my manager. Troy
Speaker 3: and Jay Irvin they would have They had a company
Speaker 3: called Irving Wonder and then Eve got the TV show
Speaker 3: to do on UPN. So at that point, Troy was like,
Speaker 3: I'm moving to LA. If you want to come to LA,
Speaker 3: I think this is where you could break and I
Speaker 3: can help you, give you some opportunity whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm to LA. Troy paid for my condo or whatever.
Speaker 1: I moved to LA and then I was out here
Speaker 1: and I was working with Troy and then the first
Speaker 1: project they got me was Eve.
Speaker 3: I wrote the title track, the hook to the title
Speaker 3: track on Eve's album Evolution, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even know what ghostwriting was or writing whatever,
Speaker 3: but I was just doing anything to get a couple
Speaker 3: of dollars or to do anything to be in a mix.
Speaker 3: From there, we did barbershop soundtrack that Eve was on,
Speaker 3: and then id meaning a lot of people, and I
Speaker 3: met this girl named Morgan Smith that Eve was executive
Speaker 3: producer of the project in Troy and Jay had signed
Speaker 3: her to Interscope, and she was a young woman, pretty rapper,
Speaker 3: beautiful girl. And I wrote a whole album and so
Speaker 3: like the projects are in a scrapping, Yeah, I wrote
Speaker 3: the whole album top to bottom, damn executive producer, whatever,
Speaker 3: produced or whatever. You know what I'm saying. I was
Speaker 3: pretty much her. So that was my first way to
Speaker 3: get into the game. I'll never forget this ship, this nigga. Well,
Speaker 3: now Troy my brother now too. I'm gonna say that
Speaker 3: much my life story, you might as well. It is
Speaker 3: so the nigga Troy had had me wearing like his
Speaker 3: diamond chain. It's back when diamond chains first popped off
Speaker 3: with the doll tag or whatever. I was wearing the
Speaker 3: shit and fucking uh the nigga.
Speaker 1: We in there. We're working on the album. I remember
Speaker 1: we doing.
Speaker 3: The ship and uh, I'm like, well, shit, what's up? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, like I wrote the album like it's not
Speaker 3: to get paid, Like, what's up?
Speaker 1: Y'all got some bread for me? He like, nigga? Uh
Speaker 1: that chain that show payment for the album.
Speaker 3: I'm like, but he was my manager and my dog
Speaker 3: and I love Jerry so much.
Speaker 1: As y'all still to see that. I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, all.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna take the chain. I'm gonna ride it out.
Speaker 3: And this is the funniest part of the story. So
Speaker 3: we go and the House of Blues still alive and
Speaker 3: it's still running. And they were managing Jada Kiss at
Speaker 3: the time too. So I went in there. I got
Speaker 3: drunk with Jadakiss on Hennessy. I'm loaded or whatever, me
Speaker 3: and Troy and so you know, you get loaded. So
Speaker 3: now I'm mad about not having no money, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like me, y'all know Troy a little too.
Speaker 3: Me and Troy got into a fistfight altercation in front
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 1: Buck niggas had a lightweight down one.
Speaker 3: In front of the House of Blues, like you know
Speaker 3: where the London is right on that you talking about
Speaker 3: the only two niggas who had.
Speaker 1: So we fought.
Speaker 3: He took the chain and the chain popped or whatever,
Speaker 3: and he took the chain. So now I'm like, damn
Speaker 3: with a chain of He's like, I'm gonna get it
Speaker 3: to you whatever, and uh, he ended up giving the
Speaker 3: chain away. I ain't gonna get into details about that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because that's my dog or whatever.
Speaker 3: But he gave the chain away, and I was just
Speaker 3: like damn, Like I just felt so betrayed, Like damn,
Speaker 3: I wrote this ship. Subsequently, the girl ended up getting dropped,
Speaker 3: her mom was a movie and all the.
Speaker 1: Other stuff happened.
Speaker 3: So now I was just back at square one with
Speaker 3: Troy and Jane seventeen. I like, you still ain't really
Speaker 3: grown nah at all. So from there, like I'm I'm
Speaker 3: on hard times, you know what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 3: Troy and Jake I remember that's when they became like
Speaker 3: the Remember Vincent Herbert. They did a deal with Vincent Herbert.
Speaker 3: They had like this fucking office on sun whatever. Yeah
Speaker 3: blah blah, yeah, yeah, Matthew.
Speaker 1: Knows it wasn't. Shout outs to Matthew knows too. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout outs to Matthew. I like the man. I like,
Speaker 1: I like how you think too, man.
Speaker 3: So that happens, and then I think the timeline from
Speaker 3: there is that me, Troy, and Jay we end up
Speaker 3: parking ways, you know what I'm saying, behind that or whatever,
Speaker 3: or they just got too busy for me, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Like, So I was out here and
Speaker 3: I ended up moving in with my weed man, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And my weed man was a
Speaker 3: club promoted at a club called Privilege. And this is
Speaker 3: back in the era of t K. Y'all remember when
Speaker 3: you know t K worked for hypnosis. Now, the people
Speaker 3: that's buying all the catalogs or whatever from people t K,
Speaker 3: he's gonna find their way shout out to you know what,
Speaker 3: Shout out to Los Angeles because Los Angeles is a
Speaker 3: place where you can find.
Speaker 1: It and a lot.
Speaker 3: My god, that's when LA was really yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Monday Monday ship. So I was doing that. My my
Speaker 3: we man was a promoter at the club. So he
Speaker 3: ended up introducing me to DJ Echo and Echo was
Speaker 3: at power.
Speaker 1: One oh six.
Speaker 3: And then from there, I remember I did this song
Speaker 3: called Sexy Lady, and like we didn't have no engineer
Speaker 3: or none of that ship. We're not just gonna let
Speaker 3: you just breeze.
Speaker 1: Over that record. I thought he was gonna get into it.
Speaker 3: He goes into it to take a ship, like that's
Speaker 3: a mother record. Come on, don't don't play with the
Speaker 3: record like it's.
Speaker 1: Just it's weak. No.
Speaker 3: Look, this dude Junior who sings the hook on Sexy
Speaker 3: was like my brother. His sister was so beautiful. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, man, I loved his sister. She was one
Speaker 3: of the baddest chicks ever. But so that's the tidebar.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I remember recording the record at my engineers
Speaker 3: at my weed man's house, and we had no engineer,
Speaker 3: so like I would press three and leave it from
Speaker 3: the beginning and go run.
Speaker 1: Into the booth and then rap my ship you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, then go back do it again. Whatever.
Speaker 3: So we flushed the song out and my weed man
Speaker 3: was the promoter, so we kept going to Privilege, we
Speaker 3: kept going to TK Shit and Echo would spin my joint.
Speaker 3: Like I remember, I was going there with a chin
Speaker 3: chill on board, be hot as hell outside of that La.
Speaker 1: Boy, but I was just doing anything to be noticed.
Speaker 3: This back in the day, he was a promoter wet
Speaker 3: had no money, so we would go to routs and
Speaker 3: buy the bottles before we get to the club. He
Speaker 3: would sneaking being through the back and then bring him
Speaker 3: out to us or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're doing a vibe.
Speaker 3: So the song starts bubbling, and then we created a
Speaker 3: database of He used to hand the clipboard out at
Speaker 3: the club and get everybody number and get all body
Speaker 3: shit or whatever. So from there, Echo was like, this
Speaker 3: song is kind of blowing up, Like I want to
Speaker 3: take you to a pole one on six mixer meeting.
Speaker 3: So I go to Power one oh six. I tell
Speaker 3: my life story for them niggas. I cried a little
Speaker 3: bit at the end of the shit or whatever, and
Speaker 3: they were standing. Ovation started off and mixed show or
Speaker 3: about like six weeks later that she was in Power Rotation.
Speaker 3: I ain't had no deal or nothing, and it was
Speaker 3: it was like it was random because I'm from Chicago.
Speaker 3: I'm not even from La so you're thinking that maybe
Speaker 3: somebody from LA.
Speaker 1: That could be their story that I get a record.
Speaker 3: I'll get it to the DJ and I go up.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just blew up. Sexy Lady was the
Speaker 3: hottest shit in the streets. So from there, my management
Speaker 3: now or my business partner now that I work with
Speaker 3: Billy J who worked with John Monopoly. At the time,
Speaker 3: we was all kids and shit. He called somebody an
Speaker 3: epic record looking for somebody else, and I.
Speaker 1: Think Dave McPherson and some shit like that. Well, Sony
Speaker 1: or whoever.
Speaker 3: Back in the day was the big dog, and a
Speaker 3: lady named Katie Katie Welly picked up. She was a
Speaker 3: Keith Nashally's assistant.
Speaker 1: She wasn't she was.
Speaker 3: She was like j was a famous one if she
Speaker 3: was at Famous music when I was at fan Miss
Speaker 3: Katie is now a Sony. Yeah, Katie a big dog
Speaker 3: and you don't notice, but Katie was instrumental in clearing
Speaker 3: some of our records for it that came through Sony,
Speaker 3: so shout out yeah. So Katie Welly heard the record,
Speaker 3: caught the record, it was already blowing up, and she
Speaker 3: introduced Billy to Keith and then I did a showcase
Speaker 3: and Keith came, and from there they gave me a
Speaker 3: label deal. Like yeah, shit, he'll take it. You know,
Speaker 3: I didn't meet Charlie Walker. I just met Keith or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then they gave me the label deal. From there,
Speaker 3: the record was already blowing up. And then Junior, the
Speaker 3: guy that was on the hook, got the big head
Speaker 3: and was like, Nigga, is they don't even like your
Speaker 3: partner song? The song it's really about me as the hook.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Nigga, you ain't right.
Speaker 1: The hook though, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You was a nigga singing and you my brother, So
Speaker 3: you know how the labels when you write the song
Speaker 3: about the system.
Speaker 1: Hell no, nigga, you said you said something about it.
Speaker 1: He said something about I'm like yo.
Speaker 3: His sister was Dayton t R at the time, Jason
Speaker 3: Jason josh Yesh.
Speaker 1: We knew his interview was.
Speaker 3: So from there that happens and we get the deal.
Speaker 3: Junior gets the big head. So Junior is supposed to
Speaker 3: be signing my company. They went back door at me
Speaker 3: Epic and signed Junior to his own deal. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: we had this demo together and all the other shit.
Speaker 3: They wanted the songs. I'm like, I'm not giving a
Speaker 3: nigga no song. Y'a got to give me a quarter
Speaker 3: million dollars just to walk in the studio with this nigga.
Speaker 1: So they never did it.
Speaker 3: They sent him on a world tour and then they
Speaker 3: ended up dropping the nigga or whatever off of shit.
Speaker 3: And then from there was one of them moments I
Speaker 3: put out that record on the EP, and this is
Speaker 3: when ray J was just on fire, like he was
Speaker 3: like what like I was. It's brandy brother, he knocking
Speaker 3: everything down like he was the guide in me.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I want ray J on my EP.
Speaker 3: So my manager finds ray Jo, who still works with
Speaker 3: ray J and they developed the Scootie bike and all
Speaker 3: that shit together. That's further down the line or whatever.
Speaker 3: So ray come to the studio. You're like, yeah, you know, no,
Speaker 3: you like to sexy his nigga in.
Speaker 1: A game right now? I'm like, what, Like he like,
Speaker 1: you know you got the sexy Lady.
Speaker 3: I got this record I want you to hear though
Speaker 3: it's called Sexy can I.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm good off that.
Speaker 3: Like I already had the song of business with the
Speaker 3: girl cash or singing I'm like, I'm coming with that
Speaker 3: nixt I know what this is, and he's like, nah.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be big for us. Bro.
Speaker 3: So he did his record on my shit. He left somehow.
Speaker 3: I was just like no, like I was on fire.
Speaker 3: I was like, I had the number one regular country.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll get to that shit. I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: do that shit. I want to go with what my
Speaker 3: plan is. From there, he got it to Charlie Walk
Speaker 3: because ray J subsequently did a deal with Cotch Records,
Speaker 3: and if you remember, Cotch d in Shadow were working
Speaker 3: all the Urban Records as everybody everybody. So from there,
Speaker 3: Charlie Walk calls me to New York, summons me to
Speaker 3: New York. I'm thinking, like we're gonna talk about my
Speaker 3: next single and shit like that.
Speaker 1: I go in there. God bless me, Charlie. I love you. Man.
Speaker 3: Charlie had to be on some coke or some shit
Speaker 3: like that or whatever, like wilding out. The nigga was
Speaker 3: on top of his piano dancing to Sexy Ken I
Speaker 3: like the in the Epic Records office. He's dancing on
Speaker 3: top of the piano. My brother like dancing. He like
Speaker 3: it's gonna be the biggest record of your fucking career.
Speaker 1: I'm like what. I'm like, what's the record you turned out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, because ray J gave it the cock.
Speaker 3: So now they thinking like they're gonna backdoor or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, bro, I'm gonna be the sexiest nigga
Speaker 3: in America from Sexy Lady the Sexy Ken I am my.
Speaker 1: Right said, fred is my album name. I'm too sexy now.
Speaker 3: Nigga like, how am I going from Sexy Lady to
Speaker 3: Sexy Kenna? And then Charlie was like, man, what is
Speaker 3: gonna take for you to do this song? It's gonna
Speaker 3: be the biggest record of your career.
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta buy me an epic record. Shame
Speaker 1: He like that's all. Like you're in this fucking jewelry. Man,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love y'all know you dude, you
Speaker 1: know I love it.
Speaker 3: So look the nigga gets off the piano and then
Speaker 3: he goes and I'm like, yo, Jason and Beverly Hills
Speaker 3: is my jeweler.
Speaker 1: You gotta get me the chain.
Speaker 3: He called Jason right there, probably came out my budget
Speaker 3: or whatever, and they caught me the chain on the spot.
Speaker 3: So now I'm like, man, they put me in a corner.
Speaker 3: They to pay for the chain. So from there I
Speaker 3: go to Miami and from like literally the della no
Speaker 3: to what willis? I wrote my verses and and and
Speaker 3: finished the song in between writing it from there, so
Speaker 3: we do that. I do my verses at Circle House
Speaker 3: Studio and then the cookies Man cookies.
Speaker 1: In order to get there. You know, they got mango
Speaker 1: trees in the back.
Speaker 3: So at that point, and this is a crazy time
Speaker 3: when I did the record, like this.
Speaker 1: Is like.
Speaker 3: My set, Like I was introduced to ecstasy from like
Speaker 3: IRV Godi and Jo.
Speaker 1: Rule when they had the murder.
Speaker 3: Man and with the whole notherd this nigga just hit
Speaker 3: the last left turn.
Speaker 1: I was introduced.
Speaker 3: So look when I did my verses for that, I
Speaker 3: met Pleasure p for the first time or whatever circle
Speaker 3: House Studio, and Pleasure was like, hey, so you want
Speaker 3: one of these he gave.
Speaker 1: Me, He gave me some or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I oh, I did my verses for a little song,
Speaker 3: and I remember Pitt Bull was there and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: you want to ecstasy because I'm so geeked up off.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, poppy. I'm from Miami. If I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get to it, I'm gonna get to it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna play with it. That's just reminded me
Speaker 3: of mother fucking scar Face dancing in the club. So
Speaker 3: you know, you, buddy bok, he wasn't gonna play with it.
Speaker 3: So I did my bees and I never forget we went.
Speaker 3: We flew from their circle house. We have been back
Speaker 3: to l A. So not the record done.
Speaker 1: We're here in l A.
Speaker 3: And uh, they like, Ray wants to finish the song
Speaker 3: with you. So I'm like, alright, bet so this like
Speaker 3: in between I mean him giving me the song or whatever.
Speaker 3: Now he's did his deal with Vivid, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Through the roof and the state. Now now it's a thing.
Speaker 1: So so it's all at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all in the same So before he had
Speaker 3: the song, kind of before he the tape came, it
Speaker 3: became a thing when he did his deal and got
Speaker 3: his bag from it. So now you know, we at Encore.
Speaker 3: You know he's pulling up Lamborghini. Ray, you know, he
Speaker 3: in his bag or whatever. So I'll never forget it.
Speaker 3: We get in there and then you're like, yo, my brother,
Speaker 3: I'm with cash or the girl that saying the hook
Speaker 3: on the bene she was like my best friend at
Speaker 3: the time or whatever. So he like, man, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't need no disrespect, but you mind if I like,
Speaker 3: I got to get into my energy, You mind if
Speaker 3: I play these I don't want.
Speaker 1: To disrepect your girl.
Speaker 3: And he just threw out a bunch of vivid DVDs
Speaker 3: or porn movies on it on account and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, bro, this's my best friend. You could play that.
Speaker 1: So we in encore he put the porno on the
Speaker 1: TV or whatever. Mind you.
Speaker 3: Tierra Mariaz his girlfriend too, So Tierra Maria is with
Speaker 3: him while we're doing all this at Arencore. So okay,
Speaker 3: we finished this song and I'll never forget he was doing.
Speaker 3: He got a run at the end where he's like
Speaker 3: getting in Jesus Jansen gun. But he was in there
Speaker 3: like I gotta give him my Stevie.
Speaker 1: I got to hit my Stevie.
Speaker 3: And like t Air Marie was clowning him so bad
Speaker 3: while we was doing this shit.
Speaker 1: It was the most hilarious shit. So we finished the
Speaker 1: song and then next thing I know, they like this
Speaker 1: shit is about to be the biggest song with your career.
Speaker 1: It's a hit. Blah blah.
Speaker 3: Because when I did this song, like Ray would go
Speaker 3: for four bars and I say nothing, Then like a
Speaker 3: minute later he would pop back in with four more
Speaker 3: bars and then it'd be blank again. So I kind
Speaker 3: of like arranged his part and wrote my part and
Speaker 3: came up with other parts for us to do together
Speaker 3: on the song.
Speaker 1: So that's how that went.
Speaker 3: From there. We go to Miami shoot the video. So
Speaker 3: we shooting the first shot of the video, me and
Speaker 3: him and Lamborghini. I'm smoking a blunt. It's police around
Speaker 3: us there to secure us in Miami for the shoot.
Speaker 1: I'm smoking this down to a roach.
Speaker 3: I'll throw it out the Lamborghini before the first take
Speaker 3: of the video. The police that's securing us come pick
Speaker 3: the roach up off the ground smelling and pulled me
Speaker 3: off the lamborghin me and locked my.
Speaker 1: Ass up right there on the spot. On God, y'all
Speaker 1: hired them to a rest. You pretty nigga took me
Speaker 1: to jail. Jack, I'm not even talking about like it
Speaker 1: wasn't nothing like about nigga. Miami jail, Miami jail.
Speaker 3: Listen, there I had to build a couple of homies
Speaker 3: out y'all know who y'all are. Cost me ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars one weekend, you know. But I ain't gonna never
Speaker 3: leave my niggas in Miami jail for it to be
Speaker 3: that hot outside in jail in Miami. Nigga tried to
Speaker 3: ask one of the Hommy told me when they got out,
Speaker 3: we got the niggas out like five six in the morning.
Speaker 3: He said, you know, nigga tried to ask me for
Speaker 3: my shirt. Bro, I said, did you give me your shirt?
Speaker 1: Hell no, I ain't giving my telling what nigga asks
Speaker 1: you for. The next nigga, get your shirt up off. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I know about all that in there.
Speaker 3: So I'm in jail and nigger to add to the story,
Speaker 3: So this is around the time, you know Ray J
Speaker 3: and Shaquille O'Neil our apartments on the Sexy ken I
Speaker 3: song and money Mark or whatever what's the nigga that
Speaker 3: beat used to be with shaq whatever like man his
Speaker 3: name mark and long story short, this is when Shaquille
Speaker 3: was on his like sheriff type ship.
Speaker 1: He had just.
Speaker 3: Became like a cop. So the nigga Shaquille came and
Speaker 3: bailt me out of jail, like ten hours later or whatever.
Speaker 3: He got back jail. Yeah, in Miami, Miami. He was
Speaker 3: a sheriff in Miami.
Speaker 1: I mean Hember exactly.
Speaker 3: So he came and got me out of jail. I
Speaker 3: think I spent like ten hours in jail. I get
Speaker 3: there's nighttime. We shoot the end of the video. You
Speaker 3: wouldn't even know whatever, Like it never happened to get
Speaker 3: right back to shooting video.
Speaker 2: He's still shooting the video in jail. We just gotta
Speaker 2: keep going. The homie gonna be good. He's just he's
Speaker 2: just downright, but he's gonna be good, trust me to
Speaker 2: hold his way around.
Speaker 1: Was the exact vibe that he was on.
Speaker 3: And when I got back ship, he was already super
Speaker 3: geeked up on a on a bean, on his ecstasy
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then gave me an ecstasy. I popped
Speaker 3: that ship right right do. I'm going to watch this
Speaker 3: video listen, man.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I gotta go rewind now back into
Speaker 1: those times.
Speaker 2: I just think about all of the clubs, all of
Speaker 2: the move arounds.
Speaker 1: That I was a part. I never had none of
Speaker 1: those ecstasy in my system. I mean the VALENTINEO fuck around.
Speaker 1: Extasy is amazing.
Speaker 2: Ecstasy was. Ecstasy was amazing. Ectasy was not today. I
Speaker 2: don't pop pills, I don't do dress. But in that time,
Speaker 2: what it was, the it was, the pure it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't stepped on that ship was beautiful. I used
Speaker 2: to wake up.
Speaker 1: Like nigga because you know, like ecstasy kind of gave
Speaker 1: you the bubble gus, you gotta go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I used to wake up at my career nigga and
Speaker 3: pop an ecstasy Nigga, like upon the wake up take off.
Speaker 3: Then you know what I'm saying, You use the bathroom
Speaker 3: shower so you fresh for the day. I'm be on
Speaker 3: ecstasy nigga at nine a m.
Speaker 1: And Wow I was. I was wow. I was a
Speaker 1: social you know what I'm saying, Like, where are we going? Oh? Shoot,
Speaker 1: when we get there, pop up, We're gonna be there
Speaker 1: for two three. I was turning up that That was me.
Speaker 3: You know, I come from the drug dealers, you know,
Speaker 3: so I you know my experience of it in my outlet.
Speaker 3: You've never done ecstasy, I've never done anything. It's try
Speaker 3: shrooms like the little chocolate microdo. It's close to it,
Speaker 3: without the without the hangover, without the bullshit that coming
Speaker 3: next day. You microdos a little bit, you'll be a vibe.
Speaker 3: You will be a vibe. You think you popping that
Speaker 3: management ship. Now you think you're talking tell the bar that.
Speaker 1: Like and he already called me with fifteen ideas already
Speaker 1: have to bro over.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you know what I mean, what you're trying
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 1: I ain't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's beautiful back in the day. So we do that,
Speaker 3: all right? So what happened?
Speaker 1: So we do that with video, finish the video, and.
Speaker 3: Then ship they put that sexy canal and I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna lie that ship like a rocket ship rocket. I
Speaker 3: never expected it to be that. Never, because you got
Speaker 3: to think nigga. They had put like styles P and
Speaker 3: other niggas before they put me on the record, and
Speaker 3: then they was like, visually, this don't match up styles P,
Speaker 3: Like was super hard.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, right, So.
Speaker 3: They went and came and got me, and man, that
Speaker 3: shit took off like a rocket. Next thing I know,
Speaker 3: me and raj a like back to back tour bus.
Speaker 3: This nigga on the road promoting Sexy Cannot which I've
Speaker 3: seen some of the craziest ship on the road with
Speaker 3: ray J. Shot out to him and his relationship or
Speaker 3: whatever now and him and Princess, I have none but respect.
Speaker 3: But y'all gonna get these stories from that era. It's different.
Speaker 3: It is what it is. I'm gonna tell Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell the story.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen.
Speaker 3: All roads in the music business, the fuck the music business,
Speaker 3: all roads and entertainment to somehow, all roads, somehow that
Speaker 3: nigga all rolls like ray J raisia fucking urban legend nigga.
Speaker 3: Ray J took Whitney Houston a compound with us and
Speaker 3: there you have it.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this shit ever.
Speaker 3: Like Whitney, and this was my first time meet and
Speaker 3: Whitney she was a gangst like she was one of
Speaker 3: them ones, like for real, Like we in there, like
Speaker 3: she's smoking us cigarettes, chain smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Vibe. Man. We had compound. We in the back waiting.
Speaker 3: She like, man, send one the motherfuckers in there, go
Speaker 3: get us some patrol. They came out with the gallon
Speaker 3: of patron for us. Me and Whitney throwing back patrol
Speaker 3: shots out the Gallon together.
Speaker 1: From that night we went in there.
Speaker 3: She came in the club while we performed Sexy Kenna.
Speaker 3: She was standing in the club with us as a
Speaker 3: picture on my Instagram and me her Ray J from
Speaker 3: that night, Nigga walking in compound like no cop, let's
Speaker 3: take this shot, Let's take this rest in peace, Whitney
Speaker 3: to good.
Speaker 1: Times, man to ray So you have your run right,
Speaker 1: you moving as young ber, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you're out here making your records. You're
Speaker 3: getting that side of the business. You're getting that side
Speaker 3: of the paper and that money. And then what what
Speaker 3: was what was the moment for you where you were
Speaker 3: like I gotta make a shit. So look I went
Speaker 3: and like I moved to my I was living in
Speaker 3: a big ass crib out here, like off of Topanga
Speaker 3: or whatever. And I had a bunch of niggas living
Speaker 3: with me, and I looked at my bills. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I'm like spending like fifty five thousand illars a month.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, to live before I even
Speaker 3: smoke a blunt or do anything like the house and nothing.
Speaker 3: I ain't got no nothing. Nigga's just me so from there,
Speaker 3: I was just like, man, I'm out my paper getting low,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I moved to Miami and well.
Speaker 3: Actually I was presented with an opportunity a guy named
Speaker 3: Brian McKinney, who played for the Minnesota Vikings at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian been instrumental in a lot of cool music.
Speaker 3: Shit man, Yeah, So Brian was like, look, I'm starting
Speaker 3: my label.
Speaker 1: I believe in you.
Speaker 3: I know you write and produce and you do good
Speaker 3: records or whatever. I want you to help me with
Speaker 3: my label whatever, and I'm gonna move you to Miami.
Speaker 3: And shit, you ain't got to worry about nothing. I
Speaker 3: got a studio in my house. And at this point
Speaker 3: Briant was the god.
Speaker 1: Like I'm talking about, he blew. He blew a bag.
Speaker 3: Niggas don't understand what the lineman's make. Bro, the NFA
Speaker 3: they make the real bag.
Speaker 1: Bro. He the blind Side. They made movies about them.
Speaker 1: He's a hundred plus to the good. Bro. He was
Speaker 1: getting to the bag.
Speaker 3: I've never so from there, he moved me to Miami,
Speaker 3: and I'll never forget when I get to Miami. Now
Speaker 3: it's the w Hotel Brickle or whatever. But in the
Speaker 3: back they got the living, the house and the residential shit.
Speaker 3: Nigga pay my whole rent for a year. I think
Speaker 3: my rent was like eight thousand dollars. He came in
Speaker 3: and paid it in one wap for twelve months like shit.
Speaker 1: So I ain't had no bills no more. And I
Speaker 1: moved to Miami and I dropped a hunting on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he take this, And I was just moving around with
Speaker 1: that nigga. Boy.
Speaker 3: That nigga was a party animal, man, I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: He's an animal man. I lived the life of all
Speaker 3: lives with him. Like I remember, we came out here
Speaker 3: for bet Awards, and this nigga must have flew every
Speaker 3: little dirty lady from King of Diamonds with him to
Speaker 3: even the fat girls.
Speaker 1: Came every nice clean, nice clean.
Speaker 3: Me and Tanks played basketball at the King of played basketball?
Speaker 1: Did you get a haircut at the King of y'all?
Speaker 1: You have played volleyball, y'all?
Speaker 3: Niggas y'all was before me, y'all there before me, y'all
Speaker 3: seen it like y'all seen till seven am.
Speaker 1: And we got there at six fifteen. We spent the
Speaker 1: full taker.
Speaker 3: Brian flew like thirty women from King of Diamonds to
Speaker 3: l A for BT Awards, and like we were all
Speaker 3: staying at the mandri Onga, like twenty hotel rooms. Ohlah blah,
Speaker 3: and I ain't know, like it was crazy because like
Speaker 3: I was spending my own money on drinks, like you know,
Speaker 3: I had girls coming through and I walked in one
Speaker 3: of the strippers room. These ladies had room service power
Speaker 3: to the floor.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how y'all buying all this? Like his credit
Speaker 1: card is down.
Speaker 3: At the incidentals, I said, holy ship, I caught.
Speaker 1: Y'all come to my yard. Man scot ball in my yard.
Speaker 1: I was balling out of control.
Speaker 3: So Brian Man he came in, really was like an
Speaker 3: angel for me at that time because I was still
Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. So from there trying to
Speaker 3: figure it out, I'm like, uh, fuck it, I'm moved
Speaker 3: to Atlanta. I moved to Atlanta, and I realized how
Speaker 3: clicky it was in Atlanta, like because it would be
Speaker 3: like Polo and them over there, akon and booing them
Speaker 3: over here, but everybody had their own little ship, so
Speaker 3: I couldn't really get into the.
Speaker 1: Mixed team Paine over here or whatever.
Speaker 3: And DJ Infamous like I go and I Well, first
Speaker 3: happened was I signed producers and then we did this
Speaker 3: record by this guy. It was kind of like a
Speaker 3: one hit one day. It was like called Snapbacks and
Speaker 3: Tattoos snap Back.
Speaker 1: We did the song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like one of my first producers.
Speaker 1: Like Joints or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did that record, shout out to Tricky shot
Speaker 3: a Coop. And then from there I did my idea
Speaker 3: publishing deal with my producer with Ludacris, with Shaka and Jeff.
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is because Sean Formoso and Tone
Speaker 3: Day were the little guys under Shaka and Jeff who
Speaker 3: now run lvr N or whatever. They was under them,
Speaker 3: So like I was able, they were young, I was young.
Speaker 3: We like in the same age range. So I got
Speaker 3: the publishing deal from my producer and then from there
Speaker 3: I did a hook for DJ Infamous called double Cup
Speaker 3: and I was on the song. And that's the first
Speaker 3: time I ever said hitmaker. I was on the songs me, Ludacris.
Speaker 1: Juicy J and Uh Young Jeezy.
Speaker 3: So this around the time or whatever, They're like, niggas
Speaker 3: weren't fucking with me, Like this be a honey you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I was like, I had a
Speaker 3: bad stigma on me, but I was infamous, was looking
Speaker 3: out for.
Speaker 1: Me, and Jeezy was on fire. So we shooting a
Speaker 1: video and ship.
Speaker 3: But Jeez ain't want to let me in none of
Speaker 3: his shots or whatever because he ain't want to be
Speaker 3: to be around him or nothing like that or whatever.
Speaker 3: So you know, I got lit on the set. They
Speaker 3: like action, Well I go running. Jez already knew what
Speaker 3: this nigga did, ran in his She was like, man,
Speaker 3: I go quick crazy. This was like, bro, you gotta go.
Speaker 3: You already did your part. I did my parts already.
Speaker 3: I was just leaking around. Yeah, I was there from
Speaker 3: the daytime. Now you know Jeezy to start, so we
Speaker 3: coming later. He's showing up late. But I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I wrote the song. It's me on the hook, It's
Speaker 3: my song. I gave it him how you don't want
Speaker 3: to be around me and I'm on.
Speaker 1: It's my song.
Speaker 3: From there, that was like the first time I ever
Speaker 3: said hitmaker, and that was just like it didn't happen,
Speaker 3: like I'm hit maker, Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's why I'd be weird when people be like.
Speaker 1: Well, Burg hit maker, what I call nigga, I'm still Burg.
Speaker 3: I'm still younger unless I do a face off nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm still young Berg.
Speaker 1: I can call me whatever you want, nigga. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, you already got check calling me whatever, nigga whatever.
Speaker 3: So from there, I do that that record, and then
Speaker 3: I'm in it. I'm in Atlanta and I had a
Speaker 3: bunch of demos that I had from Miami and like,
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, how do I do this? And fucking
Speaker 3: Vincent Herbert Cousin ends up getting contact with me. I
Speaker 3: sent him a record, got to Tamar and it got
Speaker 3: to Vince, and Vince was like, man, I want to
Speaker 3: bring you here to La to work on this TAMARW album.
Speaker 1: And they flew me out first class.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shout, I'm back first class because you know,
Speaker 3: a nigga go down and coach. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like when this is the line like cut off, you
Speaker 3: know you're back in the humble beginning. Flew me first class,
Speaker 3: put me at the Sophie tail before yourself. I still
Speaker 3: be trying to fly coach.
Speaker 1: He won't let me. Man my ass and touched the coach.
Speaker 3: Seaton like and listen, I don't give a fuck I
Speaker 3: do because you see where the thing is. You about
Speaker 3: to put out your single? You will care because then
Speaker 3: catch you with your mouth opening.
Speaker 1: I won't a coach or whatever like.
Speaker 3: This because they won't listen, because they won't catch me
Speaker 3: on my mouth open because no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 3: no no no, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: He takes a cover.
Speaker 3: I got a cover he got from Delta, but I
Speaker 3: literally put nigga.
Speaker 1: I put the cover on.
Speaker 3: If you see a white it's probably me.
Speaker 1: And like, I don't see why don't you know the tricks? Huh?
Speaker 1: So you how I do nigga? I do that in
Speaker 1: first class. I'll do that when he's spending his money.
Speaker 2: You coach, He's like, man, I ain't got time for
Speaker 2: this ship, but I promise you when we send that
Speaker 2: rider to the promoter.
Speaker 1: I'm judging you.
Speaker 3: I'm judging you because I judge the women that they
Speaker 3: get flyouts based off that. Like if you fly, if
Speaker 3: you fly first class when you book in your own flight,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fly your first class if you.
Speaker 1: Fly coach when you book your own fight. But we're
Speaker 1: working either way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe they're working too, of course, but
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But when we're working and
Speaker 3: it's a part of the you know, it's a part
Speaker 3: of the rider.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. But the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is.
Speaker 3: Even when I fly myself first class, right for me,
Speaker 3: it doesn't I mean, it's just me.
Speaker 1: They don't really matter.
Speaker 3: I have bad luck with and I don't care about perception.
Speaker 1: I had bad luck with. I'm the Valentine.
Speaker 3: I had bad luck as a youngster though, because it's
Speaker 3: a different type of hurt and feeling that you got
Speaker 3: when you get on a plane and like.
Speaker 1: An Angela Simmons and.
Speaker 5: Fast city and you young, you gotta walk back and
Speaker 5: then you gotta walk back like hey, everybody, everybody got.
Speaker 1: They everybody got it.
Speaker 3: I'll say hello. I might even stop talking to him
Speaker 3: for a minute. I see y'all on the plane land.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, everybody got the bow. Wow. Fucked that up
Speaker 1: for me. I ain't flying coach. And now my nig
Speaker 1: give that's my dog, you know. Now, my dog, Me
Speaker 1: and Bow had dark days.
Speaker 3: Or whatever back in the day, just over whatever stuff
Speaker 3: and women and stuff like that. But man, that's my dog. Now,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to coach. I don't get the
Speaker 3: bag has to be Well, if the bag is that big,
Speaker 3: then why would I be flying coach Anyway. I was
Speaker 3: about to say, like, if it's a million dollars somewhere,
Speaker 3: that's like, yo, you you have no choice but to
Speaker 3: get on it.
Speaker 1: I'm out coach me.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, masked up whatever, But my
Speaker 3: ass saying touch no coach.
Speaker 1: Sheating seven years for real, for real?
Speaker 2: I respect and it's never going back. Okay, maker, no coach.
Speaker 2: So you said hit maker in that song. That was
Speaker 2: the first time you said hitmaker. Why did it become
Speaker 2: a thing or how did it become a thing?
Speaker 1: Uh? Ship, I don't know. It just happened organically.
Speaker 3: I wish I could really say, like I was like, yo,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna be hit maker or that's what I
Speaker 3: just said. It came out here to La was up
Speaker 3: at the Sophie Tail working on Tamar Braxton Love and
Speaker 3: War albums. So like the song that they wanted. When
Speaker 3: I get to the studio, I owed the studio some
Speaker 3: money in Miami so they wouldn't relinquish the file for
Speaker 3: me to cut it. So like I had to come
Speaker 3: up with the audible you know what I'm saying on
Speaker 3: the spot because the first class though, and you wanna
Speaker 3: pay that motherfucker studio field.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy that. I'd have been coaching. I was
Speaker 1: frying myself. So we do that.
Speaker 3: We get out there and Tamar you know now, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Me and Tamar are super cool.
Speaker 3: We in a good space or whatever. But she was
Speaker 3: in she was in her bag. This when Tamar and
Speaker 3: Vince had that TV show like they were and resting
Speaker 3: piece of Lashan Dan. It was, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: when he was the go to guy. He was in there,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So from there, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I ain't got that song, but I got another song
Speaker 3: that I think Crazy played it for. It's called the
Speaker 3: One or whatever ended up being her single on that project,
Speaker 3: and she loved it, and they went in there and
Speaker 3: did it. They took my tag off the song. I'm like, damn, Like,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, So I created a new
Speaker 3: tag the way I just screamed on the song in
Speaker 3: the background and made it a part of the shit.
Speaker 3: So it still stayed on the song, and that was
Speaker 3: like I was like, fuck it, I'm moving back to LA.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying. Vincent Herbert was supposed
Speaker 3: to sign me, give me a deal and do all
Speaker 3: type of stuff. It never panned out. I mean, show
Speaker 3: love to Vince. I just seen Vince at Circlehouse recently
Speaker 3: and I moved back to LA and I was kind
Speaker 3: of like the start of like, all right, bet, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take this LA shit seriously again. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm hit maker now I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3: I did my first publishing deal. I did my publishing
Speaker 3: deal who I'm still in a publishing deal with with
Speaker 3: Mike Carron at APG and boy, Mike lucked up on
Speaker 3: this shit. Mike might be one of the best business
Speaker 3: man in the game. I think Mike signed me for
Speaker 3: thirteen thousand dollars. So some ship like that nigga back then.
Speaker 3: This is in twenty twelve, it's not later. I'm still
Speaker 3: signing my Karen on publishing, but be good and I
Speaker 3: got a joint benchure now and obviously right so here's
Speaker 3: the other part, because we always talk about this, right
Speaker 3: we want we did this show so it would yes,
Speaker 3: we want to have a good time.
Speaker 1: We won't go and crack jokes. We're gonna do what
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 3: But we also want this ship to be informative, right,
Speaker 3: And I think what happens in this business is people
Speaker 3: always look at things as.
Speaker 1: Somebody fucked me out, and I know he does, and
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I look at things as someone gave you an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Now if you don't want that, unless they put a
Speaker 3: gun in your head and made you sign something, right,
Speaker 3: if you signed it on your.
Speaker 1: Own, you know what I'm saying, and.
Speaker 3: On ecstasy like you, guys, But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: But you can't sign deals on extity. You can ship
Speaker 3: because everything is good on ecstasy.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, kid, Yeah, we can do.
Speaker 3: Like you said later, you signed that, you signed that deal.
Speaker 3: If we can find my man a lot, that would
Speaker 3: be amazing.
Speaker 1: Guys, somebody you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You go ahead, right, but yeah, no, so you know
Speaker 3: you signing that deal led to these other opportunities in
Speaker 3: life that you may have not got. You may have
Speaker 3: not gotten if you don't sign this thirteen thousand dollars deal. See,
Speaker 3: but that's the business man, and you being a manager
Speaker 3: and being rich, like writing our concept like until you
Speaker 3: make it out and get some money, they fucked you.
Speaker 3: That's all you think in the whole time. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: if you never make it out, they always full exactly
Speaker 3: hindsight when you make it out your deal or whatever.
Speaker 3: He was like, man, well damn, if he didn't give
Speaker 3: me that opportunity, I might not have access to do
Speaker 3: the studio and do the things that I did.
Speaker 1: And from there I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: Damn it's getting to it a good spot or whatever,
Speaker 3: because I love your story about the love and hip
Speaker 3: hop people that I did the show with on season one,
Speaker 3: about the monies and the dog food or whatever. So
Speaker 3: long story short, Hazel e the girl Hazel, which we
Speaker 3: all knew, you know what I'm saying from just being around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course she was. I believe it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out the Echo and all them. I remember
Speaker 3: they was moving heavily and doing that.
Speaker 1: So Hazel, he just approached me like, man, I'm doing
Speaker 1: love and hip hop. Fuck this shit.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do a love and hip hop Hollywood. We're
Speaker 3: gonna put everybody on it, all the people that So
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, shut, I'm down.
Speaker 3: Should I had nothing to lose, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I was working with Puff at.
Speaker 1: That time to deal with Mike Heron.
Speaker 3: I'm at apg On Kowanga every day, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, working making my rounds, doing all this other stuff.
Speaker 3: So I was just like, fuck it, let's do it.
Speaker 3: From there, it came reality and then ship. At the time,
Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: So the lies.
Speaker 3: I gotta clear this up because I never really said
Speaker 3: all this shit. So we do love and hip hop.
Speaker 3: I wasn't fucking Hazel we or dating Hazel Wee or
Speaker 3: nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 3: She was just Hazel we Like everybody know Hazel from
Speaker 3: being Hollywood.
Speaker 1: She's my nigga. Like we was really.
Speaker 3: Homies, always supposed together.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that.
Speaker 3: So from there we get to the show. And now
Speaker 3: they got like the cast meeting or whatever. So now
Speaker 3: a cast meet and I'm like, holy shit, these are
Speaker 3: all people I know. Then it was like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: my ex girlfriends here. So I don't mean no disrespect.
Speaker 3: They probably gonna go viral with us, and I mean
Speaker 3: it's an off air. I'm not gonna say nothing both us.
Speaker 3: So Joy, who's Bow baby Mama or whatever.
Speaker 1: Future.
Speaker 3: She was like one of my ex girlfriends from back
Speaker 3: in the day or whatever. So she was on the
Speaker 3: show like they had casting her for the show or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, it's lit.
Speaker 3: So me and her end up rekindling after we see
Speaker 3: each other at the meeting, then we now we were dating.
Speaker 3: We back into the vibe, we back into the mix
Speaker 3: or whatever. So when we first started shooting the show,
Speaker 3: it was me and Joy. Joy was my girlfriend, but
Speaker 3: as you know, a reality TV because joys on the show.
Speaker 1: She was on the show filming and the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Nigga and I remember your name used to be thrown
Speaker 3: around the heaviest because they were like yo, Tank and
Speaker 3: Zina is gonna do the show and this that and
Speaker 3: the third this season one.
Speaker 2: Like what they called us first, They called us to
Speaker 2: build the cast.
Speaker 1: So we were the first. We were the first couple
Speaker 1: called to do loving Him.
Speaker 2: And we So so we put the playlist together, the
Speaker 2: original playlist, and me and him got to talking, and
Speaker 2: I got to talking with Atlantic and they were like,
Speaker 2: we get it, but you don't need this right now.
Speaker 2: This is a different kind of energy that and.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's twenty fourteen too.
Speaker 2: And so like it didn't happen right, And so for me,
Speaker 2: you know, I was still doing still doing tank, you
Speaker 2: know at the time, for my wife, we were trying
Speaker 2: to build a platform for her, so it's gonna be
Speaker 2: perfect for her. So in me pulling out, you know,
Speaker 2: they pulled the plug on her, but they took everything
Speaker 2: else that we had already built.
Speaker 1: But that.
Speaker 3: TV and for that ultimately, I've never had the conversation
Speaker 3: either about that because you know, we we.
Speaker 1: Don't usually go.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you got him because because in that situation,
Speaker 3: I just called it for me, I saw the future
Speaker 3: for him, right, because this at this point in that year,
Speaker 3: we're rebuilding, right, and what I understand from what we
Speaker 3: were trying to build right where everybody's everybody's path is different,
Speaker 3: but from what we were trying to build, it didn't align.
Speaker 3: It just didn't align to what we where we were going, right.
Speaker 3: And you know, and this is a part of having
Speaker 3: a trusting clients. The fact that a bag is in
Speaker 3: front of him, extra famous, in front of me, extra
Speaker 3: everything right, These is all positive things.
Speaker 1: And then you have me saying, nah, cham and I guarantee.
Speaker 2: I know I'm wouna carry myself on this shit. Listen,
Speaker 2: I know I know how to carry myself.
Speaker 1: Right. We may know how to carry, but we know
Speaker 1: how this show goes.
Speaker 2: And I've been in La for I don't know how
Speaker 2: many years they sent you. Man, they start to digging
Speaker 2: and pulling up skeletons out of that La dirt, you
Speaker 2: never know where that's gonna go.
Speaker 3: So and Ray put me on right once I've seen
Speaker 3: Ray was involved. And Ray started calling me or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's like, think it, it's gonna be ten seasons. We're
Speaker 3: gonna milk the ship.
Speaker 1: We back, we gonna.
Speaker 3: Sexy cannot part to him, I'm like, man, you know
Speaker 3: you start thinking like so.
Speaker 1: We do the show.
Speaker 3: Me and Joy are like boyfriend and girlfriend on the show,
Speaker 3: and like they wanted me to do like some some
Speaker 3: shit that I wasn't really comfortable with, Like they wanted
Speaker 3: us to be kissing and this that. But this is
Speaker 3: my first time being in front of the TV show camera,
Speaker 3: so I didn't know what was going on or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like, in hindsight, I should have been tongue kissing
Speaker 3: with the people that they put in front of me.
Speaker 3: Post that, you know, what I'm saying. So I was
Speaker 3: being stiff on camera. She was being stiff on camera too.
Speaker 3: We both was very reserved about things. And I go
Speaker 3: to Miami to work with Puff on this money making
Speaker 3: Mitch ovel. So I get down there, I'm working with him.
Speaker 3: We vibing all this other shit. But they said the
Speaker 3: way it set up, all the girls on the show
Speaker 3: really didn't feel each other or whatever, like just off
Speaker 3: of strength they create the beasts or whatever.
Speaker 1: So Joy, I was.
Speaker 3: Dating one girl, and then Masika was like from Chicago.
Speaker 3: She was like a best friend of me. She's like
Speaker 3: my drinking partner. We hang out, we kicking. We never
Speaker 3: had no sexual relationship. We never crossed the line on nothing.
Speaker 3: You know how, you might got a girl that's just
Speaker 3: like my nigga, Like yo, you you know how to
Speaker 3: have fun and pretty girls like being with you or
Speaker 3: being around you.
Speaker 1: So this is a good look for me.
Speaker 3: So I went to Masika's birthday and then I went
Speaker 3: to Puffs to do it, to Miami to Puff's house
Speaker 3: to do the stuff, and me and Joy fell out
Speaker 3: in the midst of that, so we never spoke again.
Speaker 1: The relationship was over. I get back. They picked me
Speaker 1: up from the airport, you know, because they don't. They didn't.
Speaker 3: They don't allow you dry your own transportation. They don't
Speaker 3: know you get your own uber. They come pick you
Speaker 3: up in a fucking mini van with a bottle of
Speaker 3: some rocking or whatever and just start feeding you liquor.
Speaker 3: So they and they tell me my dress code. They like, yo, bird,
Speaker 3: come in shorts, T shirt. So I'm thinking, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go play basketball with like Soldier Boy and Little Fears
Speaker 3: and O Mariana some shit. They pull up the Hazel house,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, what the fuck? Don't like, Yeah, they
Speaker 3: bring you to the scene. So now I'm I'm just like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, I ain't know what's going on. And I
Speaker 3: love Hazel, no respect to Hazel. All lives more this
Speaker 3: eight years ago. So from we get in there and
Speaker 3: then they basically like, look we setting it up like
Speaker 3: you had a long night out with Hazel. You guys
Speaker 3: spent the night together this.
Speaker 1: That and time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, So I even I even talked to
Speaker 3: Joy yet, I even I ain't even spoke to Joy.
Speaker 3: I just had a girlfriend four days ago. I ain't
Speaker 3: I broke up with my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing.
Speaker 3: So now I'm like a yo, fam, y'all finna try
Speaker 3: and have me looking crazy like that, like I'm dating
Speaker 3: a girl on the show.
Speaker 1: And y'all drum I don't.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, fuck this show, I ain't doing this
Speaker 3: scene or whatever. So we're sitting outside shit and fucking
Speaker 3: Mona just appears out of nowhere like Khuella Deville.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm bag you make Stevie Jib loving it.
Speaker 3: Yo, I'm talking about that Haitian mother fucking so she like,
Speaker 3: you're my Stevie j Love and hip hop Hollywood. This
Speaker 3: show is gonna be based around your interactions.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, fuck that, y'all trying to have me
Speaker 3: look like I'm two timing my girl on the show,
Speaker 3: Like I ain't even spoke to her. They like, look,
Speaker 3: she like, look, nigga, we fire Joy. She's not on
Speaker 3: the show no more. I'm like what, Like, yeah, she's fired.
Speaker 1: She's no longer on the show, and I can't call
Speaker 1: Shorty because we ain't on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm like, you want me to go in
Speaker 3: there and be myself, like just be me, and they like, yeah,
Speaker 3: just go in there and do it however you feel
Speaker 3: just do it.
Speaker 1: So I go in there and they got her capped up.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. She's in a robe and
Speaker 3: lingerie neglige a or whatever, and like, granted, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be clear on this because I know it's gonna go viral,
Speaker 3: and you know, she might have something to say or
Speaker 3: a buddle about this. Whatever I had slept with Hazel
Speaker 3: previously or whatever. It wasn't my girlfriend. I already we
Speaker 3: had already slept together, but it was and like we
Speaker 3: were actively dating or whatever in our past from her
Speaker 3: being a publicist and whatever back when I used to
Speaker 3: live at the Archstone or some shit like that or whatever,
Speaker 3: like that was what it was. So We're getting the
Speaker 3: vibe and she's like putting it on like heavy, like
Speaker 3: last night was amazing, blah blah blah blah. And I'm
Speaker 3: just looking like an asshole because I'm like, you ain't
Speaker 3: my bitch.
Speaker 1: Hell no, like we ain't did this.
Speaker 3: And then ship I kind of dogged on her, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, and I left the scene
Speaker 3: and they're like this is amazing, this is great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what make good this girl crying inside
Speaker 3: throwing shit? Inside her career right now, like now, granted
Speaker 3: speaking now that I know in hindsight, she might have
Speaker 3: been putting on for the camera too.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, because if you don't, you get mixed off
Speaker 3: the show. And this is what I didn't know, this
Speaker 3: is what I found out later. If you're not in
Speaker 3: the episode, no, so you can shoot three and scenes
Speaker 3: if you won't, if your content not good and you
Speaker 3: don't make that screen, you're gonna get paid. So as
Speaker 3: much as you went to Zara and march your little
Speaker 3: boys whatever, like shut off the Hey, you don't get
Speaker 3: your money back from Zara, bro, I'm about I was
Speaker 3: right down.
Speaker 1: I was in Zara head to toe. I was Ora's
Speaker 1: first man, kist. I was. I want to always pay
Speaker 1: for my first gass fight. But you won't catch me
Speaker 1: and coach with no you hear that, bro? They wouldn't
Speaker 1: getting my Zara money back.
Speaker 3: So it was important back there too, Like it's all
Speaker 3: Richard Mills and big Cha boat taking right now.
Speaker 1: That was important to.
Speaker 3: Take only makes that color bring, right, everybody don't make
Speaker 3: that color. Brother.
Speaker 1: You gotta coordinate, you gotta coordinator.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you got a mush your belt
Speaker 6: on or nothing. So you're right, you know yo, that
Speaker 6: shit Yo. So I'm doing all my czar and.
Speaker 3: Shit and uh doing that. We're shooting the show or whatever,
Speaker 3: and it's not going the way I would like it
Speaker 3: to go, you know what I'm saying. But now, once
Speaker 3: you're in the show and you're in the matrix of
Speaker 3: the show, then you really become that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's why I feel like I send my condolence is
Speaker 3: not not not feel bad, but like I feel how
Speaker 3: every person that's ever been on that franchise whatever feels
Speaker 3: if they don't make it out of the franchise, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, because it's like your life is
Speaker 3: encompassed with that shit. Now, so whatever we do that
Speaker 3: I do love and hip hop. Then like Mona like
Speaker 3: approaches me and is.
Speaker 1: Like, beg, would you be down to kiss Mesika on TV?
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, y'all got me with this whole other
Speaker 3: story or whatever with somebody this two story later bad
Speaker 3: looking and shit, I kissed on TV, and shit it
Speaker 3: evolved into something else, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And now me and her was a thing on the TV.
Speaker 3: Show, so long, story shows a bunch of bullshit on
Speaker 3: the TV show and it ended, and then they tried
Speaker 3: to like murder me like Mona and them tried.
Speaker 1: To like paint me in such a bad way. It
Speaker 1: was just like damn.
Speaker 3: And like I was like, damn, I'm doing a TV
Speaker 3: show cause I'm working with puff or whatever. And then
Speaker 3: missed me doing a TV show Like how you said
Speaker 3: good investments and niggas gave you opportunity. I was in
Speaker 3: APG and I did a hook to a fucking popping
Speaker 3: oak beat and I named the song Nicki and hit
Speaker 3: mak and I'm like, man, Nicki Minaj is gonna work
Speaker 3: with me. I'm about to work with Nicki Minaj. Watch
Speaker 3: this shit bruh. And then I go see sounds at
Speaker 3: Glenwood Studio randomly he was working with Esther Dean and
Speaker 3: her artists back in the day. And then my brother
Speaker 3: Doc was like, man.
Speaker 1: I just seen Nicki Minaj. She in the same studio.
Speaker 3: I did the song like a day before. I'm like, what,
Speaker 3: go tell all? I'm in him to tell her that
Speaker 3: brought me in the studio to meet Nicki Minaj. I
Speaker 3: pressed play on a whole bunch of shit. Like literally,
Speaker 3: she took me under her wing like this, like and
Speaker 3: never let me.
Speaker 1: Seeing it from the outside, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what the fuck is young bird I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: She had me like this and was just like, my
Speaker 3: studio is your studio. If I'm not here, take over,
Speaker 3: do what it is. So you know, I'm flossing it
Speaker 3: out to the max nigga. I'm like, shout out to Nikki,
Speaker 3: shout and shout out to people who give opportunities.
Speaker 1: Nigga was because everybody don't cause niggas wasn't. But you
Speaker 1: what's the crazy? I never said this story too, bro.
Speaker 3: Well, after I played my songs for Nikki or whatever.
Speaker 1: And she was feeling me and like she was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this hard.
Speaker 3: She was like this before like she was. She was like,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I've been fucking with you since
Speaker 3: this and double clicked on her laptop and took the
Speaker 3: aux nigga and.
Speaker 1: It was give me the business. I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: but it fucked.
Speaker 3: Me up because I was famous before Nicki Mina, so
Speaker 3: like at that point, like you don't even think.
Speaker 1: About that, you know what I'm saying. It didn't even
Speaker 1: hit me.
Speaker 3: All together, Like damn, I was really young berg and
Speaker 3: had that song before Nicki blew up, so that shit
Speaker 3: was like crazy, and I'm like, damn, I'm doing love
Speaker 3: and hip hop.
Speaker 1: I can say Nicki Minaj like, so they was.
Speaker 3: Nicky was like, oh yeah, you drop my name like
Speaker 3: we were doing great work. I probably did like five
Speaker 3: records on an album or something like that. But I
Speaker 3: was there through the whole process, through the pink print
Speaker 3: and shit. From there, I leave the show and it's
Speaker 3: dark again. I'm like, damn, Like I got nick I
Speaker 3: got my shit going on, but damn, so I got
Speaker 3: this big ass house in Chatsworth, like and I kind
Speaker 3: of like psyched myself out. Like I had a little money,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I ain't had no big
Speaker 3: money like I was. I had like one hundred grand,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, maybe one fifty, but motherfucking
Speaker 3: I had. My dad helped me get this crib, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, Yo'm gonna use this crib.
Speaker 1: It's motivation because I gotta pay.
Speaker 3: These motherfucking bills, so I gotta work my ass off.
Speaker 3: I gotta get these placements, and I use it in
Speaker 3: motivation and that time, we was in my man. I
Speaker 3: had a bunch of boyshit furniture. I was living like
Speaker 3: a nigga, just girls everywhere. Seven thousand square for a house,
Speaker 3: just the bedrooms furnished for the most part in TV's
Speaker 3: and a couch, but it wasn't fully decked.
Speaker 1: Ore like how it was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: And I created a makeshift studio in my basement and
Speaker 3: I had my engineer being with me and he's now
Speaker 3: I don't know who engineering.
Speaker 1: Now, but that was my guy.
Speaker 3: And Jeremiah came to my crib and he was like, bro,
Speaker 3: let's work.
Speaker 1: So we started working.
Speaker 3: We in our vibe or whatever we do, like eight songs,
Speaker 3: and I had a girl with me and he had
Speaker 3: some company with him too.
Speaker 1: So now it's winding. Now they're like two thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, faml uh shit, let's wrap this shit up,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Ready to take it upstairs.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I got one more in me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, come on, bruh, man, I ain't trying
Speaker 3: to do it like bro, trust me, I got one more.
Speaker 1: He win the booth. I put the beat up.
Speaker 3: He went the booth and said letstny took an l
Speaker 3: butson that I bounced back, wake up in morning, man,
Speaker 3: and now I couched. I was like, okay, it's hard.
Speaker 3: I went, I took the ship to Big Sean and
Speaker 3: it became Big Sean bounced back, and Big Sean was like, man,
Speaker 3: you know, I love this record, like shout to Metro Booming.
Speaker 3: He co produced on record Shouts to Smash David. So
Speaker 3: he's like, I love this record. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what it's gonna be, but man, maybe we should
Speaker 3: just throw it out there and just see it.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't give a fuck. Nigga.
Speaker 3: He like, hey, bro, do you have a tag or
Speaker 3: anything you want to put on the song? I'm like,
Speaker 3: after all these people been taking it off, taking it off.
Speaker 1: He asked you about you at his house. He like,
Speaker 1: you got a tag?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I went and said my tag. Nigga.
Speaker 3: That ship you put that ship out of shit took
Speaker 3: off like a rocket, nigga. Shit like seven times platinum now, Nigga.
Speaker 3: His biggest performing song stent by himself as a solo
Speaker 3: artist on High one hundred That shit and like number two.
Speaker 3: She had the super Bowl commercials. The ship had everything
Speaker 3: hell yeah, ship and that ship that and that was
Speaker 3: the start of it, and I'm like, oh, we rolling
Speaker 3: then from there. Jay Grant, who works for RCA, super influential.
Speaker 1: He was like one of the an.
Speaker 3: Rs that was really like an an R, real nigga
Speaker 3: to us, Like boy, he would rent out Paramount for
Speaker 3: us and fucking buys all the catsuya we wanted with
Speaker 3: the label credit card nigga and fucking.
Speaker 1: Use use that, motherfucknigg all the liquor.
Speaker 3: And then that's how Chris Brown Party happens, and then
Speaker 3: all this other stuff and now I'm running them up,
Speaker 3: getting a couple of placements, and Ryan Press has always
Speaker 3: been like a mentor to me, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I went on Breakfast Club after
Speaker 3: Big Sean bounced back and Chris Brown.
Speaker 1: Party, and I had a bunch of players.
Speaker 3: I probably had like fifty placements now, so I'm popping
Speaker 3: my ship on Breakfast Club and I'm like, man, but
Speaker 3: y'all really don't realize I'm really about to be one
Speaker 3: of the biggest.
Speaker 1: Executives in this game. Nigga nigga.
Speaker 3: Motherfucking these labels offering me jobs right now to be
Speaker 3: an RS line, like a motherfucker like that right now, Nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm about to be one of the biggest an rs
Speaker 3: in this game.
Speaker 1: Watch this shit. Lied from there. Ryan was like, I've
Speaker 1: had a conversation. Ryan. He like, you want to meet
Speaker 1: Craig and Julie? Like yeah, ship, hell yeah, nigga. After
Speaker 1: I seen you at the b and my awards. Damn
Speaker 1: there around that time.
Speaker 3: They took me to meet Craig and Julie and I
Speaker 3: went in there and told the speech and which I
Speaker 3: still stand on to this day. There's nobody that's gonna
Speaker 3: be influential. I'm really cut from that cloth. I'm cut
Speaker 3: from that IRV Gotti. I'm cut from that motherfucking jay Z.
Speaker 3: I'm cut from that the big producer that works with
Speaker 3: the artist cloth. You can't tell me nothing about I
Speaker 3: lived it. He in Mexican, gave me a dog. You
Speaker 3: remember seeing me in your office, Julie, right, You remember
Speaker 3: I was so on and then they made me the
Speaker 3: vice president and out Atlantic Records, and then that's when
Speaker 3: it started getting getting real interested.
Speaker 1: That's when it started cracking.
Speaker 2: Out that I don't that for me, that wasn't the
Speaker 2: most impressive part right, because I know you can.
Speaker 1: I know you can make that. Actually give me yeah.
Speaker 3: Talking about it, but you you deserved it.
Speaker 1: In fact, you wouldn't get that.
Speaker 2: My question is like guys locking to it was zone
Speaker 2: and going to run and find a thing that they
Speaker 2: are able to milk for a very long time. And
Speaker 2: you found a niche in grabbing old records and reproducing
Speaker 2: them and making them brand new smash records.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a very important component
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 3: This guy worked directly with the guy who did it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Puff Puff Daddy, the king of what?
Speaker 2: So what made you say this is gonna be my
Speaker 2: formula and nobody's gonna beat me?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: It was a moment for me. I ain't never gonna
Speaker 3: forget this shit. It fucked me up because Nelly had
Speaker 3: hot in here, right and it was going crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn this shit crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm like for real crazy like and I've been a
Speaker 3: student of the game. I know all the producers, I
Speaker 3: know Puff You know what I'm saying, Like, damn niggas
Speaker 3: really taking this sound and bringing it back and doing
Speaker 3: all this other shit or whatever and blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: Once I found out that Nelly Hot in Here was
Speaker 3: Chuck Berry, Chuck Chuck Brown, Yeah, shout out to the
Speaker 3: DMV bro, I was like, oh fuck, no, hell no,
Speaker 3: I'm bringing back the first time you hear you think
Speaker 3: is original. You could you could put ten people in
Speaker 3: his room right now and say play Nelly hid in
Speaker 3: Here and say what is that song sample from?
Speaker 1: And I guarantee they won't unless they from there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: I started looking at like for real whole little catalog
Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, he's just making original beats and
Speaker 3: just some of the beats on original either too. Like
Speaker 3: he's taking this ship like homeboy I came to party.
Speaker 1: That's a splip.
Speaker 3: Even the nigga with his manager listen and label the
Speaker 3: jam Steel Boss and showing your rocks.
Speaker 1: Nigga, that's an old rap record. Wow. Yeah I didn't know, yes, Bro.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, ship, this nigga's been doing it.
Speaker 1: But he finessed it.
Speaker 3: His way, and I'm like, oh, that's the puff way.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna do it my way
Speaker 3: and just do everything that I grew up on one
Speaker 3: O six and park on or whatever and all the
Speaker 3: records that I love.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna flip on my on my own. How
Speaker 1: did you know it was time? Right? Because like because
Speaker 1: it's a sweet spot.
Speaker 2: There used to be a thing where like a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time used to have to elapse on a
Speaker 2: record for it to be a classic or even a
Speaker 2: certain amount of success.
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not flipping all platinum records.
Speaker 2: You flipping just whatever got that essence to it, that
Speaker 2: you with the feel to it.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm humbly. I want to say this because
Speaker 3: I didn't know at first, but it was just like, man,
Speaker 3: like a producer and a top tier producer. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: it's about the work, it's about all this, which it
Speaker 3: really is, but they really paying you for your taste level,
Speaker 3: for the taste of music what you got. Expound on
Speaker 3: that because as a producer, and this is this is
Speaker 3: something that gets.
Speaker 1: Very very cloudy in this business. The producer.
Speaker 3: Right, we have beat makers, we have producers, we have
Speaker 3: vocal producers, we have finishers, right, we have all these
Speaker 3: different things that.
Speaker 1: Can tank to do it all. I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: would he would pretty much form the record. It would
Speaker 1: pretty much say that I ain't.
Speaker 3: Helped him with his life, but you know that is
Speaker 3: what it is, because I love the nigga. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean kids is my guy kids,
Speaker 1: my kids, this guy kids. Like you know, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there watching the nigga say, man, ain't getting checked my
Speaker 1: man by myself? Right.
Speaker 3: But I asked you this because you're you're you're fully
Speaker 3: immersed in it, right, And.
Speaker 1: I know you don't champion yourself as like I make beats.
Speaker 1: You're not that guy. That's not who you say you are.
Speaker 3: I remember, man, I was dating a girl years ago,
Speaker 3: and and and I kind of moved into the you know,
Speaker 3: the beat making side of like buying the NPC into her.
Speaker 3: And she was like, and I had I had a condo.
Speaker 3: I bought my first condo. Man, you know what too
Speaker 3: big with you know, so you can hear everything in
Speaker 3: that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: And I would have the headphones on it.
Speaker 3: She would wake up in the morning be like, so,
Speaker 3: how did like the BENK thing thinking go last night? Oh?
Speaker 1: Sh like the who right? But that's all that's all
Speaker 1: she could hear though.
Speaker 3: It was like, right, right, whatever, right, But I'm asking
Speaker 3: that though, how do you as a producer, how do
Speaker 3: you explain it to you know, and how do you
Speaker 3: separate or do you even separate even getting that conversation
Speaker 3: because a lot of youngins is like I produced it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna had a conversation for real, for because this
Speaker 3: is a good platform and it's all with creators here
Speaker 3: talking about it. So look, everybody produces an my own ways,
Speaker 3: it's not really many. It's so many ways it can happen.
Speaker 3: Now I can speak on my process and my situation.
Speaker 3: So every flip that y'all hear, for the most part,
Speaker 3: is me like, yo, yo, Paul, replay this or whatever. Yo,
Speaker 3: I love this record. Let's do it like this, but
Speaker 3: instead of it, let's flip it. Let's add a pre
Speaker 3: hook and change and an added and change the key
Speaker 3: on the pre hook or whatever, and come back to.
Speaker 1: The shit and do the music for me. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: They do the music, send it back to me. I
Speaker 3: love the music because everything he does is firing flames it.
Speaker 3: Then from there I'll be like, shit, who drums work
Speaker 3: on this?
Speaker 1: Shit?
Speaker 3: Oh shit cardiac? I think it's got a hip hop feels,
Speaker 3: got the ball. I think it's just be crazy or
Speaker 3: any other co producers I work with, and then from
Speaker 3: there they get me to beat. I write the song
Speaker 3: with the person I want to write the song with.
Speaker 3: I find the artist to get the song too. I
Speaker 3: push the artist to do the song, get.
Speaker 1: Through the song.
Speaker 3: Then I take the record to Jason Joshua and mix
Speaker 3: it and that's the end of it.
Speaker 1: Now. If it's something else.
Speaker 3: Like I've also an amazing mixer, is very important. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: you gotta have that shout out to Ruben. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Ruben's in there. You see somewhere around here,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's grounding right now. Okay,
Speaker 3: but no, but yeah, like please please finish.
Speaker 1: That's my bad.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to shout these guys out because they're
Speaker 3: they're not always spoken. It's my engineer and Leuess too.
Speaker 3: So that's one way. Another way is I just have
Speaker 3: creative energy with people. They might send me a beat
Speaker 3: pack or whatever, and then I'll go and I'll write
Speaker 3: the song and I'll rearrange your beat or whatever and
Speaker 3: take this and your outro that you had is really
Speaker 3: the intro and it's really the prehoting now and just
Speaker 3: put together a puzzle like that. So I think that
Speaker 3: real producing to me is.
Speaker 1: You finish it. You start to finish, you in it,
Speaker 1: from the beginning.
Speaker 3: Of the concept to whether it's a beat that's sent
Speaker 3: to you and you like, all right, bet well maybe
Speaker 3: can we change this around? And you get with Tank
Speaker 3: and you give me j Balleen time you write the
Speaker 3: hit record and then Tank wants it to be hit
Speaker 3: single and not cool. If not, then we give it
Speaker 3: to somebody else. And I got to get them to
Speaker 3: do it. And I mean should I did it with
Speaker 3: Tank on which I'm mad Atlantic man, a dirty remix man.
Speaker 3: That shit was super fire man golly.
Speaker 1: But we did it together. We worked on several records together,
Speaker 1: so we know the vibe. Yeah. I think it's it's.
Speaker 2: Good understanding and going in because I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people kind of get lost when it's like a
Speaker 2: kid that does the beat was like, well, I'm the
Speaker 2: producer on the song, and then you're like, well, that's
Speaker 2: a part of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Also, when you send it to finishers.
Speaker 2: Listen, when you send the beat that is nothing and
Speaker 2: then it becomes something because of everything else that's done
Speaker 2: to it, and even placing for that matter, because you
Speaker 2: go to extra step further. You're not just making a song.
Speaker 2: You're like, I know exactly where this song should be.
Speaker 1: Then you got to sell it.
Speaker 2: You're you're doing You're actually managing now just right.
Speaker 3: Selling records to artists is very tough, very tough, very
Speaker 3: very tough.
Speaker 1: There's an art to it, yeah, bro.
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is that I fight myself daily about
Speaker 3: this because everything we said is true. But it's just
Speaker 3: a lot of captive this ship, and it's a lot
Speaker 3: of ego shit or whatever. That's also in social too.
Speaker 3: If I dress like Ghazi every day or like Craig
Speaker 3: Calvin every day nigga and wore the same outfit, no jewelry,
Speaker 3: no nothing or whatever, and I wasn't out here and me,
Speaker 3: then they wouldn't a coprin't.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't hear no flack.
Speaker 3: It would be the most thing because people want the
Speaker 3: look of it, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying now.
Speaker 3: Being a producer is a thing, like so the look
Speaker 3: of it. But like I run into situations where it's
Speaker 3: like damn it be like people would be jealous of
Speaker 3: your own success and the blessing that God got on
Speaker 3: you and overlook the fact the door that you opening
Speaker 3: up for them, so you can't change, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, be cause it's like I've been through that
Speaker 3: so many times, not even on a producer a co
Speaker 3: producer level, just anybody.
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It could be a management it could be you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, people you're doing like niggas will be
Speaker 3: and everybody was so fucked up about being in a
Speaker 3: position which they don't tell you for you in position
Speaker 3: that everybody is gonna tell you or what they have
Speaker 3: an opinion of, skewed thought of. If it was me,
Speaker 3: I would have did this and well nigga waiting tills you, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: especially if a nigga feeding you and got you out
Speaker 3: like Nigga. Like let's say, not even me. If I
Speaker 3: was a guy that was a co producer or somebody
Speaker 3: that just made beat some program beats all day, like
Speaker 3: or in a house with my girl twenty four seven,
Speaker 3: and it's somebody that's just like making hit hit after hit,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't It wouldn't be no way you could talk
Speaker 3: bad about anything about that man, Like hell no, and
Speaker 3: I'm big on I'm not like how it was back
Speaker 3: in the day, like Bro, I'll let you know, I
Speaker 3: ain't do that. He programmed that beat, I did this that,
Speaker 3: and everybody gets they same credit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it don't really like it don't rebind me. But
Speaker 3: it's like you don't come across them issues and start
Speaker 3: feeling like that to winning, Like I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 3: Like before I came into y'all podcast, like I got
Speaker 3: placked like this big that just came to my crib, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm over one hundred million records.
Speaker 1: Sol Bron.
Speaker 3: Toasted, going from the my fucking concentration camp man for
Speaker 3: real for nine months.
Speaker 1: To have an over one hundred million records.
Speaker 3: So no, cap still look at sitting at my penthouse
Speaker 3: right now, I got to take it. You heard the pinhouse,
Speaker 3: you heard it, you heard it. Not the club, not
Speaker 3: the club, but the house.
Speaker 1: What's what's the goal right now? Right now? For me?
Speaker 3: Like it seemed like the when I first started on
Speaker 3: this hit maker journey, he was like, man, I want
Speaker 3: to prove so many yggs wrong.
Speaker 1: These nigga shit it on me. Yeah, I had that.
Speaker 1: You know what's fun?
Speaker 3: I don't even you know, because we've had so many
Speaker 3: different moments that we've run across each other and this
Speaker 3: ship we've been in there for many moons. There was
Speaker 3: a moment in Las Vegas at the at the Palms Hotel.
Speaker 1: Studios and we were all there.
Speaker 3: It was us three ENTI dollar sign action and we
Speaker 3: were talking and this was the This was like the
Speaker 3: first time that I had that. Me and you had
Speaker 3: kind of sat down and I was really like, I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I really like this dude.
Speaker 1: Man. He's a really really good dude.
Speaker 3: And I remember having a conversation with Tank after I
Speaker 3: said I hope that his revenge don't get the best
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I literally said that to him.
Speaker 3: I was like that nigga is so cool because you
Speaker 3: get all the extra shit. We run into each other
Speaker 3: and you see a nigga and you and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I think he kind of liked this, so I think, whatever.
Speaker 1: This may be.
Speaker 3: But that that session where we were sitting in there,
Speaker 3: I'm like, really like this dude, man, and he's super
Speaker 3: super talented. But in conversation, you were vengeful. Hell yeah,
Speaker 3: you were vengeful. And I remember I remember talenting. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: I hoped it. I hope the revenge don't get the
Speaker 3: best of it, man, because that dude really is talented.
Speaker 1: Bro, I had a.
Speaker 3: Chip, cause you gotta think of all the shit that
Speaker 3: I went through in the past or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't because of me.
Speaker 3: It was because I was putting myself around bad people,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, so I took a
Speaker 3: lot of l's now on the strength of me personally
Speaker 3: being a person that was supposed to have that. Hell,
Speaker 3: but I'm the the I'm the famous guy, so you
Speaker 3: you hold that ill. So at that point, man, I
Speaker 3: was just like, like in my mind, I was thinking like, man,
Speaker 3: fuck these nigas, they gonna see I'm the step on either.
Speaker 3: But now my whole vibe. Bro, this shit is a testimony. Bro, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't even want to do nothing. It's not about
Speaker 3: holding my own dick and being like I'm the nigga
Speaker 3: and I'm hit making board. I ain't on none of
Speaker 3: that shit. I'm still young berg nigga. I still meet
Speaker 3: people every day. Give them opportunity, nigga. If you it
Speaker 3: don't matter, I don't care if you black, blue brown nigga.
Speaker 3: If you talented and you can it flex up and
Speaker 3: you could work with me in the studio. Every day
Speaker 3: I'm touching somebody else.
Speaker 1: I'm giving people opportunities.
Speaker 3: All my co writers that I work with, I'm putting
Speaker 3: them on my singles on my album.
Speaker 1: It's not about me no more. I'm good.
Speaker 3: It's about the inspiring the next person. Maybe I could
Speaker 3: put the ball in somebody else's hand, and when I
Speaker 3: decided to stop dribbling, that motherfucker that could pull me
Speaker 3: up circle of success type shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And on a big scale, anybody that's living that's seeing
Speaker 3: my journey, man, they know that this shit is so
Speaker 3: possible as long as you work hard and keep God first.
Speaker 1: Bro. Yes, bro, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Niggas that dissed me and songs that that that pay
Speaker 3: me top dollars for songs now, but not even like
Speaker 3: this because like whatever happened, it was a relevant punch
Speaker 3: line in But the way you're gonna stop it and
Speaker 3: not get your money and go work and do all
Speaker 3: this other shit because the nigga felt him my way,
Speaker 3: you have to strip all that ship down, like man,
Speaker 3: and just be like who's next, Like look at this,
Speaker 3: look at what God blessed me with. Let's not even
Speaker 3: focus on Yeah, let's not focus on no bullshit or whatever.
Speaker 1: Man, Let's be a light.
Speaker 3: Let somebody be inspired by you, let somebody feel like Man, I.
Speaker 1: Could take it there. Yeah, because it's possible.
Speaker 2: And and I say that to the circle all the
Speaker 2: way back, like the course. Right, we all have a story,
Speaker 2: we all have a gang of l's, but it was
Speaker 2: all part for the course. And we can do one
Speaker 2: of two things, right. We can repeat the cycle, or
Speaker 2: we can decide to do better and start a different cycle.
Speaker 2: And that's what me and this guy is committed to
Speaker 2: and loving hearing you say that you've committed to that
Speaker 2: same thing, because that's what's gonna make the difference in
Speaker 2: our culture, not continuing to repeat the cycle where we
Speaker 2: continue to hold each other down and always want to
Speaker 2: stand on top of each other. Man, I can stand, man,
Speaker 2: I can stand right next to my brother man and
Speaker 2: support his shine dance dance when he succeeds. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, shout him out, like, man, go get it. Man, Listen,
Speaker 2: if we all came, if we're not fighting to pay
Speaker 2: for dinner, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: It's a problem for sure. That's how it's gotta be.
Speaker 3: As they would say players don't keep scoring.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm I'm man, that's that's the best thing you
Speaker 2: said all day.
Speaker 1: I swear that's real. I'm living in Bro. That's real.
Speaker 3: And it's a different level of maturity, right, it's a
Speaker 3: different level of maturity to say, yeah, like okay, nigga
Speaker 3: got that off.
Speaker 1: You know what. It's bigger than that.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, because it's like even like now, like I
Speaker 3: just see the playing in the plot being so bigger,
Speaker 3: like dang, like you gotta think, Bro.
Speaker 1: I went from I'm not gonna say lying.
Speaker 3: But but speak ill I was technically lying but speaking
Speaker 3: about being executive on the Breakfast Club and like seeing
Speaker 3: my life prior to that, like I always looked at
Speaker 3: the Barry Gordy's and the La Reads and all these
Speaker 3: different people whatever, But now it's like who better to
Speaker 3: be inside a building than me? Like, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about? I've been the artists. I've been through any
Speaker 3: the worst thing the artists can go through. I went
Speaker 3: through being canceled before being canceled, Like, I went through
Speaker 3: everything possible, and I'm still one of the biggest in
Speaker 3: the game relevant making music, churning out this shit like
Speaker 3: I had two hundred and twenty seven placements. Yeah, last year,
Speaker 3: this was the six year six of my run, Like
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty seven place. This pretty much place
Speaker 3: in the record almost every day, damn near. Like, but
Speaker 3: take no we all we do is go to the studio.
Speaker 3: I don't got no kids, I don't got no other
Speaker 3: I don't got a job.
Speaker 1: This is my job. This is my life. So you
Speaker 1: can you believe this is your actual job?
Speaker 3: Like when you look at it and you wake up,
Speaker 3: you're like, yo, this is really what I get to
Speaker 3: do every day. Like I don't think that collectively in
Speaker 3: this business we ever truly take those times unless somebody
Speaker 3: reminds us to say, bro, you get to do this
Speaker 3: every day. This is this is the blessing of all blessings.
Speaker 3: It is on a big scale like that shit like
Speaker 3: it's no way to be replaced or whatever.
Speaker 1: But that kind of that thought kind of inspired me something.
Speaker 3: So I'm working for Atlantic or whatever, and it's like
Speaker 3: I'm lost into the sauce and I'm like, man, well
Speaker 3: you know cuz the deals I had over there Atlanta,
Speaker 3: like I really win it, Like man, my success and
Speaker 3: like my people set me up. Everything was Gucci but
Speaker 3: I realized that they wasn't trying to make me a boss.
Speaker 3: They was just wanted the records from me, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like we cool.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, damn, Like.
Speaker 3: I was watching everybody else's trajectory and see how people,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, the shit go like this
Speaker 3: or whatever like and I was like, damn, well, this
Speaker 3: producer or this songwriter kind of took a dip because
Speaker 3: he only focused on his self. He didn't work with everybody.
Speaker 3: That's why I was like, I'm not singling myself out.
Speaker 3: I'm not only working with three niggas. I don't care
Speaker 3: if I could email or a text or somebody hit
Speaker 3: me on Instagram. They got some five shit niggas. This
Speaker 3: is what we were gonna work with everybody in the game.
Speaker 3: And you know atlantic, I was able to be on
Speaker 3: both sides of the fence because like still an artist,
Speaker 3: I'm still a creative, but I'm in these executive meetings
Speaker 3: and I'm seeing things and we kind of prod way.
Speaker 3: We came to a to a part of the ways
Speaker 3: which we did a damage like several number one records,
Speaker 3: helld of millions of records together.
Speaker 1: And La Reid.
Speaker 3: I met a speaking of La Rea Happy birthday, La
Speaker 3: Read I met.
Speaker 1: I met him and I always looked up to him.
Speaker 3: Tricky Stewart introduced me to him formerly or whatever, and.
Speaker 1: It's just like so like with me.
Speaker 3: He was just like, man, you got nigga like this
Speaker 3: is this is what it is. And he's like, man, bro,
Speaker 3: I don't even really got it like this or whatever, like,
Speaker 3: but I want to give you a label deal and
Speaker 3: I believe in you and I want to make sure
Speaker 3: you get the money. And I'm working for Atlantic at
Speaker 3: this time or whatever, and they ain't offer me no
Speaker 3: label deal like I put putting up hits. I already
Speaker 3: did number ones for niggas and all types of shit
Speaker 3: that ain't come to me and say no hi or
Speaker 3: a label deal.
Speaker 1: We thinking of that. So La offered to me.
Speaker 3: And I loved La and I'm like, man, this nigga
Speaker 3: is amazing, man, like I want to be around this guy.
Speaker 3: So I go back to Craig and I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: La off me label deal. It's like a million dollars
Speaker 3: or something like two million dollars on signing.
Speaker 1: Let me go get my money, like.
Speaker 3: We are no no fucking out, no way. We love
Speaker 3: you, your family, we love you. And I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 3: they're like, let's let's let's show you how much we
Speaker 3: love you. So they came back. They gave me a deal.
Speaker 3: And the deal, you know, it stopped me from doing
Speaker 3: business with la you know what I'm saying. And because
Speaker 3: I was already locked in the Atlantic and the deal was cool,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I took the deal. It
Speaker 3: was an interesting time or whatever. It was a good,
Speaker 3: good deal, you know, but it wasn't what I was working. Well,
Speaker 3: this this what happened. They gave me the deal. So
Speaker 3: now I'm in the an R meeting right and they like,
Speaker 3: here comes such and such shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to sign this kid. He has a bidding
Speaker 3: war all over Colombia's really heavy on him, or a
Speaker 3: republic or anybody or whatever they got.
Speaker 1: They got their.
Speaker 3: Offer in now blah blah. He wants he wants nine
Speaker 3: million dollars. He's got one song. He doesn't have a mixtape,
Speaker 3: but it's the biggest viral shit in the world.
Speaker 1: So he come in.
Speaker 3: He don't perform, he don't do nothing, don't wild me
Speaker 3: and these niggas was really.
Speaker 1: Sitting there talking about giving him nine million dollars and
Speaker 1: then you realize what your deal was.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm like excuse me, Like wait what?
Speaker 3: And I done sold millions of records out of been
Speaker 3: here for four years, like we what.
Speaker 1: This is like the end of my concerts, like three
Speaker 1: and a half. I did come on man like I
Speaker 1: did the ones.
Speaker 3: The big records like, and y'all went and told me
Speaker 3: we're gonna show you how much we believe in you
Speaker 3: and how much we care about you because you're a family,
Speaker 3: because you've been with us. So from there, I never
Speaker 3: forget this shit. I left the office that day and
Speaker 3: I went back to the hotel and then shit, uh
Speaker 3: the next day.
Speaker 1: That the an R meeting can kept.
Speaker 3: Going, I ain't show up, so like they all calling me,
Speaker 3: they are like, summon me to the office.
Speaker 1: I go there.
Speaker 3: You know, I was super close with Larrey and I
Speaker 3: still love all these people to today because it's nothing
Speaker 3: bad about the story. I'm still very successful. It is
Speaker 3: what it is. So they like, what's the issue. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't feel like y'all believe in me, Like how
Speaker 3: he's supposed to whatever, were breaking down different stuff and
Speaker 3: they were like, well, what do you want? I was like,
Speaker 3: if you really believe in me, y'all paying twelve thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a month for me to be in a studio
Speaker 3: without paying my engineer, I want my own studio. Do
Speaker 3: what La Red did for Tricky Stewart and back when
Speaker 3: he was on fire, or do what y'all did for
Speaker 3: DJ Drama or whatever you want to outline it as
Speaker 3: believe in me, because I know when Tricky put me
Speaker 3: on game he said, well shit, when La left or whatever,
Speaker 3: I kept my studio. It was my studio can't take it.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, believe in me in that type of
Speaker 3: investing me in that type of manner.
Speaker 1: It was like how much you think that shit is
Speaker 1: gonna cost? Line?
Speaker 3: When people was like, oh, four or five more million?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, to do it in La
Speaker 3: to do it the right way, the way he would
Speaker 3: want to do it for three million, four a million,
Speaker 3: and shit, they were like, all right, mat, we gonna
Speaker 3: get back to you and see how this work or
Speaker 3: whatever for you, and we're gonna make it happen.
Speaker 1: We believe you're our guy. Never made it happen.
Speaker 3: So from there, I was like, damn La read even
Speaker 3: after I dubbed the deal and I couldn't take the
Speaker 3: million dollars from La. This man somehow turned my million
Speaker 3: dollars into a song deal and still.
Speaker 1: Gave me the million dollars wanted to do. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't come be a partnership here.
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna give you the same amount of money
Speaker 3: I was gonna give you to do that for this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a real relationship, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: Damn this, this, this ain't what I think it is.
Speaker 3: So from there, they never hollered back. And my partner Krishan,
Speaker 3: who's amazing. While I do all my records whatever whatever,
Speaker 3: we had a group or we still have a group,
Speaker 3: and he was like, man, can you see if you
Speaker 3: could go meet Ghazi or whatever and get us a
Speaker 3: deal with Empire.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, So I reached out to Ghazi.
Speaker 3: We go up there and Ghazi was like telling me
Speaker 3: about different stories in his past and I didn't know
Speaker 3: that he worked with Atlantic.
Speaker 1: That tough too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That he started all the records and this, that and the
Speaker 3: third and I was like, oh really. So then once
Speaker 3: he got that transparent with me, I got to be
Speaker 3: even more transparent with him about my situation or whatever.
Speaker 1: What was going on. And I was just like yo, like.
Speaker 3: Because they had put my back against the wall, like
Speaker 3: you don't even understand, Like they had put basically put
Speaker 3: a bounty on my head, like, oh, you ain't happy, pay.
Speaker 1: This number and you can leave or not.
Speaker 3: And the relationship was already so muddy, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. After I I'm like, damn. So I told
Speaker 3: guysie what the number was. I'm like, bro, like shit
Speaker 3: they want They saying I gotta buy myself out with
Speaker 3: this or give him the money back myself. And I
Speaker 3: was gonna give him the money back, my dumb ass.
Speaker 3: But one of my mentors, my ogs, chimed there on
Speaker 3: me said, nigga, you were in the music, in it.
Speaker 1: You don't get no motherfucking money none of it. So
Speaker 1: I said, I've been.
Speaker 3: And GHAZI was just like, Bro, I believe in you.
Speaker 3: I thought you was coming up here that asked me
Speaker 3: to do a producer album or something like that. I
Speaker 3: thought we was gonna do small business. But I believe
Speaker 3: in you. Here's the compound in San Francisco. This is
Speaker 3: what I want to do. I'm gonna get you a
Speaker 3: penthouse here in San Francisco or whatever. You just come
Speaker 3: work with us or whatever, and please, bro, like, if
Speaker 3: you would allow us to work together, I think this
Speaker 3: would be great for us or whatever. And he went
Speaker 3: and he paid Atlantic Day money back and that's how
Speaker 3: I left Atlantic Records.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow did that I didn't know that nigga. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that that shit heavy on me.
Speaker 3: So now it's like now the game, like, oh, you
Speaker 3: ain't got your studio no more. They was empowering the
Speaker 3: studio a niggas trying to like put chinks.
Speaker 1: In my armor like Empire. They not knowing the Empire. Damn.
Speaker 3: There was the biggest company in the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it's indie. It's not
Speaker 1: what I used to be. Whatever.
Speaker 3: There's most people don't understand market shit, bro. So my
Speaker 3: back was getting wall like I would be seeing shit
Speaker 3: niggas be screenshot and shit like close friends shit. It
Speaker 3: would be producers I work with and songwriters I work with. Like, man,
Speaker 3: this nigga burder fucked up being fucked up.
Speaker 1: He gonna fall.
Speaker 3: Off after this because we had so much massive success.
Speaker 3: And then from there I got in with Ghazi. I
Speaker 3: ain't never gonna lie man. I met Young Blue in
Speaker 3: the airport. Young Blue was like, man like, let's work together.
Speaker 3: And you know how you be in the airport, I
Speaker 3: ain't really figured out. I ain't know, I ain't taking
Speaker 3: serious or whatever. So we ended up meeting again. We
Speaker 3: went up there and we was in San Francisco and
Speaker 3: we was just working. He's like, man, I need to
Speaker 3: hit And you know, my first mind, I collaborated with
Speaker 3: Chris so much.
Speaker 1: I'm like, nigga, you want a song with Chris Brown
Speaker 1: is out of here.
Speaker 3: It's out of here, nigga, we going number one. So
Speaker 3: we in there, we cook the hook up, me and him,
Speaker 3: Blue Ivory, Chris Fown, we did it all together. Then
Speaker 3: from there I ended up getting Brown on the record,
Speaker 3: and that was my first one out the gate were
Speaker 3: Ghazi with him Brown and two Chains or whatever and
Speaker 3: record it's platinum record. It's being the fucking shit. It
Speaker 3: was one of them reoccurring mom fuck us. That ship
Speaker 3: was tops here for forty seven weeks out of the year.
Speaker 4: Last Yeah, the first one off the hip there we
Speaker 4: came with the Peru record after that, and I did
Speaker 4: Tink Project and I Tink Ship.
Speaker 3: She got the most added last week at Urban radio
Speaker 3: with our record to shout out our business partner too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, shout out to my little brother young Blue.
Speaker 1: We're back. Family's family man.
Speaker 3: Yeah No, that's that's That's an amazing story, man, an
Speaker 3: amazing path that you've taken. And the one consistent thing
Speaker 3: is you never stopped making the music, right because this
Speaker 3: is the only industry that any day of the week,
Speaker 3: any time of the year, you can wake up and
Speaker 3: hit the lottery facts.
Speaker 1: But you just have to continue to do it. And
Speaker 1: that and what I found in.
Speaker 3: My years in the music business is the guys who
Speaker 3: don't really ever reach their potential of the guys who stop, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you will have your time. You will have your time,
Speaker 3: you will have your season. Even some of the guys
Speaker 3: that we may not consider to be the most talented,
Speaker 3: they found their way because they just stayed in it.
Speaker 1: They stayed at it. And it's just like, yo, you.
Speaker 3: Know that record such and such as what's the nice
Speaker 3: record back? Hell no, the mean times I do that
Speaker 3: a week probably like that's who record? Ah man, that's amazing, bro,
Speaker 3: and we salute it, right, But when guys give up
Speaker 3: on it, that's when it's over. Other than that, it's
Speaker 3: never over. Like this is an ageless business. This business
Speaker 3: is based on Peter Pan. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like you never got to grow up in this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Like you can make your life whatever you want it
Speaker 3: to be in this music if you stay true to it.
Speaker 1: And you stay at it.
Speaker 3: And for that, bro, I just want to salute you
Speaker 3: for that, because you faced enough right for the average
Speaker 3: motherfucker to be like, man, I'm done with this ship
Speaker 3: like this is, this is and to further go into it,
Speaker 3: to know that, nigga, you actually come from money.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to do this ship. You could hit any.
Speaker 3: You and your bobs couldn't just did real estate business.
Speaker 1: It's not as cool as this ship. Like let's let's
Speaker 1: be let's let's keep it. You know, this is this
Speaker 1: is the cool.
Speaker 3: But the coolest part about my ship is that I'm
Speaker 3: just getting the journey is just beginning right right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like you know what happens though when you when
Speaker 2: you hit now now, nothing's off limits, Like your access
Speaker 2: now is unlimited. It's like, oh, I see it's so
Speaker 2: much clearer now, and I can do so much more
Speaker 2: now with the access that I have. And if they
Speaker 2: won't do this, but I'll do it myself. That's when
Speaker 2: you hit a strike. Yeah, we got I don't know
Speaker 2: how you play this next second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how. You know? You know what
Speaker 1: he does?
Speaker 3: If you if you see, if you've seen what we
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Speaker 1: names Burg, I've seen them. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the story can be funny or fucked up
Speaker 3: or both, but you can't say.
Speaker 1: The actual names of the people. You can say.
Speaker 3: Ship around it that my mother trying to figure some
Speaker 3: ship out, but.
Speaker 1: You can't say their names. Young Berg can't make up.
Speaker 1: You can't say it was me and niggas somehow. You
Speaker 1: can't you know what storyigga? What was Jamie? What was
Speaker 1: what was the last guy? Anybody that you don't think?
Speaker 1: How did? What was it? The Foxes started off a
Speaker 1: mineral awareness hotel room. This woman doing cocaine, famous actions.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing cocaine. She's doing cocaine. I'm not because
Speaker 2: of my religious belief. That's how it starts.
Speaker 3: We need some good man, we know, you know, we
Speaker 3: need a legendariry him maker, story man.
Speaker 1: Without the names.
Speaker 3: About the names, I'm trying to think, man, come tap
Speaker 3: into your ecstasy and ship man, give me half.
Speaker 1: What y'all call it a bean? You call the bean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never got into the nicknames. I was never
Speaker 2: Just give me the Just give me the accent. Which
Speaker 2: color you wan? Bro, Just don't confuse me, just give.
Speaker 3: Me all right, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: I was at a famous person's house and I was
Speaker 3: I was working with with a bunch of other famous
Speaker 3: people before they were famous. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like everybody's going to come up or whatever. We in
Speaker 3: Hollywood blah blah blah blah. And the famous person who
Speaker 3: house it was wanted to have a meeting with me.
Speaker 3: So we like I go to the living room or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's another famous person with him. That's a lady
Speaker 3: that's that's giving him a hand job under the covers
Speaker 3: of the like he's sitting there on the couch or whatever.
Speaker 3: But during the meeting, like she's a famous girl like beautiful?
Speaker 1: Is she looking at you? Like?
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, she wasn't his girlfriend, the famous girlfriend is also
Speaker 5: in the house while this is happening too, just floating around.
Speaker 1: In the meeting. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So he's talking to you though, like how were talking
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Boy? He getting a full hand job and contact with me.
Speaker 1: You are not allowed.
Speaker 2: You are not allowed to look at me while you
Speaker 2: are getting a hand job.
Speaker 1: But did she look at you? No, they was in
Speaker 1: their own thing. I think they were on some enhancements.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You can't look at me because somehow I'm feel like
Speaker 2: I'm part of the inspiration.
Speaker 1: I don't want it. Yeah, that was wild. Did you
Speaker 1: get a deal out of that?
Speaker 3: No, he didn't have to happen.
Speaker 1: It was whatever.
Speaker 3: That is the entertainment industry.
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