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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one to

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Speaker 1: in the show, we're joined by David Draper, a freelance

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Speaker 1: outdoor writer and wild game cooking experts, to discuss open country,

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Speaker 1: white to hunting, and our favorite food, venison. All right,

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Speaker 1: it's welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Sick of Gear, and today we're joined by

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Speaker 1: freelance writer Avid Hunter and serious wild game aficionado David Draper.

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Speaker 1: You've likely seen him in the pages of Field and

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Speaker 1: Stream and a number of other media outlets, and today

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Speaker 1: David is going to be chatting with us about his

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Speaker 1: experiences deer hunting in his home state of Nebraska and

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Speaker 1: some of the other great states are great plains states,

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Speaker 1: weren't talking about how to have success in that part

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Speaker 1: bit about venison and cooking wild game. So Dan, you're

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Speaker 1: back in the fold. What do you think about this plan?

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Speaker 1: I'm back. I'm all good man, I'm I'm I love

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Speaker 1: talking about food. Okay, check. I love talking about hunting,

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Speaker 1: especially when there's a possibility me and you could go

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Speaker 1: to Nebraska to hunt where this guy lives. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of beneficial for for us. This is we

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Speaker 1: might have to ask some questions that are purely beneficial

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Speaker 1: to only us. I love those podcasts where it's just

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Speaker 1: so you and making the new tips. We need as

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Speaker 1: much help as we can get, so we gotta we

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Speaker 1: gotta ask for it when we can. So. So leading

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Speaker 1: into this, I guess Nebraska, right, David's from Nebraska. You

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Speaker 1: hunted Nebraska two years ago. If you could sum up

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Speaker 1: what you enjoyed about hunting Nebraska and like one sentence

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Speaker 1: or a couple of sentences, how would you how would

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Speaker 1: you do that? M did you enjoy it? Absolutely beautiful?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the landscape goes on forever. The sun rises

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Speaker 1: and sunsets were spectacular. And you know, um, while the

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Speaker 1: so the h I saw quite a few mule deer.

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Speaker 1: I saw, um a handful of white tails, and a

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Speaker 1: the wild game aside. It's just in the state. I

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Speaker 1: was in Sandhills region and it was you can get

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Speaker 1: see forever. There's something about the plains that they don't

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Speaker 1: they don't get as much hype as you know, other

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Speaker 1: in the wind like I I I love that. And

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Speaker 1: when we're driving you over this past couple of a

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Speaker 1: drove out here, you know, we went through north Dakota

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Speaker 1: right right. You know, all we gotta do is wait

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Speaker 1: I'd be worried about the butterfly effect. I would definitely

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Speaker 1: be worried about the butterfly fact. That's a real thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, you make what butter what? What's the thing

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Speaker 1: if the butterfly flap swings on one side of the world,

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Speaker 1: Right right, there's a there's actually this is going going

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Speaker 1: to go nowhere. But it's actually a movie or a book.

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Speaker 1: of our generation. Yeah, exactly, that's awesome. Well, here we are,

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Speaker 1: time travel. It would be cool, slightly freaky, but very cool.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine this. If you could time travel, would you go,

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Speaker 1: more problems. I'd probably yeah, that that's you're right, that

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Speaker 1: right right, But I'm sure would be nice to be

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Speaker 1: do with an extra five? Yeah? I guess I'm right

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Speaker 1: right all venison, Yes, all venison. We actually have venison

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Speaker 1: thank you everyone for for somehow, for somehow dealing with

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Speaker 1: Sick of Gears World headquarters name drop, I'm recording in

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Speaker 1: the corporate headquarters of Nine Fingers Studios. So well, that

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Speaker 1: for deer that you want to shoot. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

426
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: If you're hunting in the same land a lot, you

427
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of figure out the patterns and like you said,

428
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: there's pinch points, there's funnels, there's a tulio or a

429
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 1: draw or even just a real low point that they'll use,

430
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: irrigation ditch. You'll find some crossing points there. You know

431
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 1: they're creatures have had, but they'll use the same crossing point.

432
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, trail camp is great for that. I also,

433
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, when when I start hunting pheasants in late October,

434
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: I'll start seeing some rugs by then, and and so

435
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: I'll put a trail camp. It could be a little

436
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: a little short stretch of trees and there'll be one

437
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: tree and then it's trash. I'll try to put a

438
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: trail came up there, just to see what's there. Um,

439
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: it might not be able to hunt it, but it's

440
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: always good to know when there's deer in the area

441
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: and what kind of deer they are? Speaking speaking of

442
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: the you know, what quality of deer there are? You know,

443
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of the state's near where

444
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: you're at, like Iowa or Kansas, right they get a

445
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: lot of hype for their great, big white tails. But

446
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: Nebraska is not too bad either, isn't There's no deer

447
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: in Nebraska. There was a long Please that's my that's

448
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: my standard line when people ask me about deer hunting

449
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: in a bras. But no, you know, it's funny. Right

450
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: now today I'm writing a story talk to You in

451
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: White Sail States for Bohney World Magazine, And as much

452
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: as it pains me to do it, I'm gonna write

453
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Nebraska pretty high. It's it is. I don't think it's

454
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: a sleeper state anymore. People are figuring it out and

455
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 1: they know there's good white tails here. But it can

456
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: be a great state. I mean it doesn't have there's

457
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: a cachet of Iowa or Kansas or Missouri, but it

458
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: can be a really good state. That the problem with

459
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: white tail hunting in Nebraska is white killer primarily found

460
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: on private land. There's not a lot of public way

461
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: and percentage wise in Nebraska, and so it's definitely a

462
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: pay to play deal, um getting on land or if

463
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: you're lucky enough to get on some land that you

464
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: can knock on the door on. But it's it is tough.

465
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: That's the hardest part of Nebraska when it comes to

466
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: white tails. Yeah. So so you kind of intrigued me

467
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: there with this article you're working on. Can you share

468
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: with us some of the other states that are in

469
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: your top town Um, yeah, it's probably can and and

470
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that's such a hard thing with somebody

471
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: when I when the ender comments that I want you

472
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: to write the top ten white tail states, that is

473
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: a hard thing to do because who do you leave

474
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: out and who do you put in? Um, so I'll

475
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: give you a couple of like put in that maybe

476
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: you might not think, and maybe you will think. I

477
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: put in Ohio. In Ohio has been a great state

478
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: for white fields, but it's obviously been on the down

479
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: train in the past years. But I think it has

480
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: great potential, so it actually cracked the top ten that's

481
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: on there. Wisconsin another one that's been tough lately, but

482
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to include it as well because

483
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: it's still has potential. I mean, I think kill one

484
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: of three hundreds some thousand year a year, so there's

485
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: always potential for a good deer there. Um. And then

486
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: and then all that your major players is Kansas, Iowa

487
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: can talk, He's gonna be in there. Um. I think

488
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: there's some Southeast states that needed to get overlook the

489
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Mississippi is a great state, but Man, George and Arkansas

490
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: have some really good numbers as well. If you look

491
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: at the numbers hard, so you know they're they're age

492
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: class of bucks in the Southeast is creeping up there.

493
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, there are smaller body dear, but I think

494
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: there's some great there. So that's that's kind of something

495
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. I'm still really narrowed down. It's so

496
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: hard when you write that list to write pen and

497
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: then saying I'm done, because there's always a great state

498
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: that you're going to leave out. Oh yeah, I actually

499
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: did an article like that for North American whitetail like

500
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: three years ago, and um, but it was the top

501
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: twenty I think that one was the top twenty d

502
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: I Y states, and then one was just like the

503
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: top twenty trophy Buck states or something like that. And

504
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, to your point, it's really tough because a

505
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is subjective, right, You're just kind

506
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: of comparing apples to oranges, or you know, when you

507
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: do try to get into the details. You know, I

508
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: tried to pull all sorts of you know, Boon and

509
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: Crockett and Poping Young rankings, and I looked at state data,

510
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: and I looked at public land, and I looked at

511
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: average lease rates and all this different stuff, and you

512
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: can just get so bogged down in it, and no

513
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: matter what you do, someone's going to complain. I knew,

514
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: I got all sorts of time, and it's like, you're

515
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: an idiot, Why did you put this one over there? On? Yeah,

516
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: I used there's a couple of lines I used in here.

517
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: I said, you know, on every list there needs to

518
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: be an outlier for no other reason to get hunter

519
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: or something to argue about my Ohio opener and then

520
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: my Wisconsin owners. Is fact, is any discussion about Wisconsins,

521
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: dear heard, is going to start an argument that sounds

522
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: like so and so. Yeah, it's like you said, if

523
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: you can look at numbers. I've been looking at the

524
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: numbers for the past week until my eyes, just trying

525
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: to figure out where to put what states. And then

526
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: you let a couple of sleeper states too. So let

527
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: me ask you guys a question. What what do you

528
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: think are the sleeper states for white tales? White tales

529
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: the states that maybe people don't think about all right, Um,

530
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 1: let me see or don't you want to tell me?

531
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: Those are my secrets? Um, you know that's why you

532
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 1: gotta keep it a sleeper. Yeah, I think you know.

533
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: For me, when I was going about going through that list,

534
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: the states that kind of stuck out to me is

535
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: as sleepers a little bit. We're actually to your point.

536
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: You mentioned a few of those southeastern states really have

537
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: good age structures. Um, because they've been practicing some form

538
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: of quality deer management or age management a little bit

539
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: longer than some places. So there's decent age structure. And

540
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: then I think at the Western States, like as you

541
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: start getting into the Dakotas or Monte in Wyoming, from

542
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: what I see in here, I mean there's, uh, there's

543
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: a lot of quality opportunities out there. For me. That's

544
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of what I was thinking. How about you dying

545
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of similar thoughts. Yeah, I would. I would say

546
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: Dakota's as a sleeper states, just and that's only from

547
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: what guys are telling me, uh you know, you know,

548
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: chit chatting on social media and getting emails from guys

549
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: and even I hate to say it, but I probably

550
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: would agree with you in uh in Nebraska as well,

551
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: some of the uh what some of the guys are

552
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: telling me and sharing stories with me. Now, the numbers

553
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: aren't there, but the quality, there's quality there. Yeah, that's

554
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the thing about those. And I agree. I think the

555
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Western States are probably I don't know if it's a secret,

556
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: but I think those are sleepers Montana for sure, in

557
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: Wyoming for sure, and and the Dakotas. You know, the

558
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Dakota is kind of got hammered with some c w

559
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: D a couple years ago. But that's the thing about them.

560
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: People look at and they go, well, they don't kill

561
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: that many white tales. Well, yeah they don't. But if

562
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: you look at the white tales, some guys are killing.

563
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: There's some studs coming out of there. And the other

564
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: thing to consider is that in those states, yeah, they're

565
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: not killing that many deer, but that's because there's not

566
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: that many hunters, you know what, compared to how many people.

567
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's nine hundred thousand hunters in Michigan, Well

568
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: of course we're gonna kill four hundred thousand deer. Well

569
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: when you look at this hunters or whatever it is

570
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: in North Dakota, well, yeah, we're gonna have different numbers. Yeah, exactly.

571
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: I think people don't kind of look at the numbers

572
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: as completely as they should. They just look at one

573
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: number and go, I don't kill that many deer. Well okay,

574
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: but the percentage wise maybe that maybe the percentages are there.

575
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: So now I actually this is no joke. I actually

576
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: had a conversation today with uh, a wildlife biologist in Nebraska,

577
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: UM talking about the area that me and Mark might

578
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: hunt this year, and he was he was telling me

579
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: that as far as mule deer are concerned, uh, they are.

580
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: They had an awesome two years in a row now

581
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: of fawn recruitment and um the average age he said

582
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: of mule deer buck was three years old. And then

583
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: he and he didn't really say anything about buck doe ratios,

584
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: but the numbers are definitely going up for mule deer

585
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: and white tail as well. So he didn't really tell

586
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: me anything about the actual um age class of harvested

587
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: white tails, but it's on the up and up, so

588
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: that can help support some of that thought as well. Yeah, yeah,

589
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: and I would, I would agree with him, and it

590
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't have any point argus. And I really think there's

591
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: some really good meal timing to be had here in

592
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: the next year's And I think, you know, it's it's

593
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: funny we had that that CW D andelve with everyone

594
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: every now and else had it. You were out here, sorry, yeah, yeah,

595
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not thinking it's too late and afternoon, but yeah,

596
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: he in twelve like most states had, and and it was.

597
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: It was funny. The deer on the we had heard

598
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: it was too big already, I think, and I think

599
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: so I think that it's probably not a bad thing.

600
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bad thing. Obviously, it did need

601
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: to have heard reduction, but it's amazing the big bucks

602
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: that have been killed. Last year, I saw more big

603
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: deer killed, why killing deer than I've seen in a

604
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: long time. Not as many people were killing bucks, but

605
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: the guys that killed bucks killed really really good bucks

606
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: here in the resket. And I don't know what to

607
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: attribute that to other than the fact those are deer

608
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: that survived that that and then there was less hunter. Um.

609
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to say activity in the next couple

610
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: of years, but I think life and sales were probably

611
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: down a bit because people were scared off by the

612
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: by the h D and then the deer numbers. So man,

613
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: it was it was a great year last year. I

614
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: hope that continues in well, you know, it's funny you

615
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: mentioned that, because that was kind of one of my

616
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: like hypotheses after the big h D I've breaking two

617
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, was that, you know, okay, three years

618
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: from now or four years from now, we're going to

619
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: see some great deer because the deer that survived now

620
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: are living in a landscape with much less competition for food,

621
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: so you know, they had great access to nutrition now

622
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: compared to maybe when they had you know, four bucks

623
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: around them. Now they only had one other bucker, one

624
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: other deer around them, so there's a greater access to food. Um,

625
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, some of those deer, the ones that did survive,

626
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: we're probably I don't know if this is true enough,

627
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: but maybe they're in some way slightly predisposition to be healthier,

628
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: dear because they were able to make it through that.

629
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: So genetics might be you know, improved as those deer breed.

630
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think, like you said, these this

631
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: next year or two and last year, I think hopefully're

632
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: going to be fruitful years. Um. The silver lining to

633
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: the cloud that was the two thousand and twelve h D. Yeah,

634
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: and I don't wonder if maybe with reduced herd numbers,

635
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: with people's reduced stone numbers, maybe those bigger bucks were

636
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: moving more leading to more encounters. Um, you know they're not.

637
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: They didn't. They had to move farther to find those

638
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: because the dose were I mean that was really the

639
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: numbers are really hammered out here, and so maybe that's

640
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: what it was to those those bucks have to go

641
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: farther to find a dough and there's a better chance

642
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: of intercept them. That's great point I just threw that.

643
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: I just made I just made that up just now

644
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: while we were talking about it, and don dog you

645
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: should you should write an article about it and become

646
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I think, I think, thank you guys for making my

647
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: job easier. It's the least we could do. But it

648
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: really is such a good point, and it's um you know,

649
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: it's something that is so commonly misunderstood I think is

650
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: that so many people think the more doughs I have,

651
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: the better my hunting is going to be during the

652
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: ruck because you think if I got tons of doughs,

653
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: will be tons of bucks coming in. But to your point,

654
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: lots of times having a little bit lower dough population

655
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: will be better because those bucks have to move around more.

656
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: There's you know, there's more competition for fewer doughs, so

657
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: they have to be more active, they have to be

658
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: searching more, they have to be a little bit more

659
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: aggressive with other bucks. That kind of makes for the

660
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: more interesting and exciting hunt. Yeah, I think you're right

661
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: on that. We we get hung up. I'm thinking higher

662
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: deer numbers are better and that might not actually be true.

663
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: So so so speaking of that of you know, the

664
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: better hunt or where the the different types of situations,

665
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: different areas. Given you know what you're doing now, I

666
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: imagine that you've got to deer hunt allowed different places.

667
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: Where's your favorite place to deer hunt? It will always

668
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: be at home, you know. Yeah. I had access to

669
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: some really good breaks just just south of the North

670
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Platte River here near me. That was just some phenomenal

671
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: hunting and just the top bounding. I like, I would

672
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: park my truck at the gate and walk all day

673
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: long and sit and glass and it was just fun. Um.

674
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: But you know, to your point, I've been Illinois several times,

675
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: and it's great. I've never killed a deer that I

676
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: just said. I did kill one day that, but I've

677
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: never killed a really great deer. They're like you're supposed

678
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: to do so though, some of those states get overhyped

679
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: and it's I'm so excited about the hunt and then

680
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: I go and I'm like a man, that's you gotta

681
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: remember a lot of us this hype. But always a

682
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: great state, you know, Kansas is a great state. Um

683
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: hunting Missouri several times. I love South Dakota because it's

684
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm hunting at home, similar territory. I

685
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: had the Pine Ride Reservation last year and killed the

686
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: killed probably my best buck. Um, and it's it's it

687
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: was similar hunting to what I do where you're where

688
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: you're hunting that open country and that's kind of what

689
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: I love. So can you tell us about that hunt,

690
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: that good buck you took last year on? Yeah? Yeah,

691
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: and I can tell you about it. I don't know.

692
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I want to tell you the true story because I

693
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: missed two other bucks before it was it was it

694
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: was a rifle hunt. I was with my friend Neil

695
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: Davies from Hornity and one of his Buddi's Travisprayberd from

696
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the Pine Ridge Reservation up there, and we were hunting

697
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: and man, I don't know, I had the yips or something,

698
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, golfers gets the yes, there's a rifle hunt.

699
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: But man, I just I don't know what I did

700
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: on those other two bucks. But then I made a

701
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: spectacular shot on the on the buck I killed late

702
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: in the day. Um, I had three days to hunt,

703
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: but in reality, my girlfriend's birthday was the next day,

704
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: so I kind of had one day to because she

705
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: she was fine with me not being home for a birthday,

706
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: she said, but you still want to be there. So, um,

707
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: that was great. That's exactly I know, and I know,

708
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's a trap, and I think I wanted

709
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: because I actually killed the buck late in the day.

710
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't much sunlight left at all. We

711
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: were we were cruising along a trail road on top

712
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: of a ridge and spotted a buck, actually spotted the

713
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: dough first, but she was acting funny, so he thought

714
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: there was a buck there, and I kind of got

715
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: set up, and sure enough he came out of his

716
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: fresh pile. I missed him with the first shot, but

717
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: he was so intent on that dough that I hit

718
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: him what I what turned out to be a perfect shot.

719
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: On the second shot, I hit him and he ran.

720
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't real sure that I hit him or hit

721
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: him good, and so somehow on the run, I hit

722
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: him with a second perfect shot, probably the best shot

723
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: I've ever made my life on the third shot and

724
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: killed him. So, I mean, he was dead after that.

725
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: We turned to find out the first shot punctured his lungs.

726
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: Second shot was just not too far off that so

727
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: so but yeah, and just got to put the tape

728
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: to him. But he's just a nice buck, beautiful buck.

729
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: That's with a good friend and and uh and a

730
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: new good friend shot spread bird at the pine at dress.

731
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: He was such a nice guy. Just just an enjoyable

732
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: hunt that And for me, that's a lot of it.

733
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't take most of my animals.

734
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: I've killed three beautiful help in my life. I've never

735
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: put a tape on any of them. It's experience for me.

736
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: It's it's that's more of it than the inches to me.

737
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just just my don't. I don't mind

738
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: the guy. And I kind of wish I had mail

739
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: because people ask me about it and I'm like, God,

740
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, really know, but because it's be nice

741
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: to have that information. But but it's just so that

742
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: it was just a really fun hunt with Neil and

743
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: Travis and and just hunting the way I enjoyed a hunt.

744
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: You know, I have a hard just the way I

745
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: was raised. I think I have a hard time sitting

746
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: in the tree waiting for a deer to come by.

747
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: I do it every here, I don't. She stands here

748
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: in Nebraska too, for white tails um down by Paxton.

749
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: But it's not the funnest way to hunt for me.

750
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: It definitely is an acquired taste. I think. I think

751
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: a lot of I hear from a lot of Western

752
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: guys who who kind of to your point, they have

753
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: a hard time with it or they struggle with it. Um.

754
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: But I guess if you're raised on it's all, you know,

755
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: there's a certain something special about sitting there in the

756
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: The necessity of learning patients has taught us an important virtue.

757
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: I think, maybe I think. And it's funny. As I've

758
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: gotten older, I like it a lot more. I I

759
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: used to just hate it. I do it just kind

760
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: of out of necessity, you know. You know, if I

761
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: wanted to kill some does for the freezer, I do it.

762
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: But I didn't like it. But now that I'm getting older,

763
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: I enjoy it a lot more. If you see so

764
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: much wildlife when you're sitting in the tree, you know,

765
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: it's not just about a deer walking about. You'll see

766
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Kyle's come by, and bobcats and the and the birds,

767
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: the wildlife. It's it's really a cool way to hunt.

768
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to slow down and take

769
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: it all in. Yeah, it's kind of funny you mentioned

770
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: that I was just recently thinking about this. You know,

771
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: there's some certain types of hobbies or activities that completely

772
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: engage you so much that you can't think about anything

773
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: else at all while you're doing it. You know, I

774
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: was thinking, in this case it was fly fishing. I was,

775
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about this past summer fly fishing, and

776
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: you could be there four hours and because you need

777
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: at least. When I'm fly fishing, I'm thinking about where

778
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to put the cast, I'm think about how

779
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to present it, I'm mending the line, I'm

780
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: thinking maybe the entire time, I'm engaged four hours past,

781
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy smokes, where the time go. So

782
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: there's something really cool about an activity like that, which

783
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: I kind of would compare to like Western hunting, where

784
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: you're stalking elk or meal there or something that you're

785
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: engaged the entire time, and there's something really cool about that.

786
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: But then there's also something really cool about an activity

787
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: like deer hunting from a tree stand, where you're forced

788
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: to sit and wait and think and pay attention to

789
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: all these little details and things that you pass by

790
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: if you were hiking through, but when you have time,

791
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: they're just to sit and let things come to you,

792
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: you have a whole different set of experiences and opportunity

793
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: to reflect and stuff. So there's something really cool about

794
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: both of those two different things that I don't I

795
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of like both in their own unique way. Yeah,

796
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I have to agree. I think I've learned more about

797
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: deer hunting when I'm in a tree stands and when

798
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: I'm spotting stalking, because you have that time to sit

799
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: and think and and see deer like activity. Like maybe

800
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to stand quite in the right spotet,

801
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: but you see a lot of deer and you have

802
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: to figure out your head, Okay, why are they using

803
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: that spot? And how can I get my tree stand there?

804
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: By the motmoeth and stuff like that. I mean, I

805
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: have learned way more about deer hunting, mus damn than

806
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: I have sitting on a ridge top trying to figure out,

807
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, why they don't know what kills within my

808
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, five miles I could see. Yeah, oh yeah,

809
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: I think we've all probably been in some kind of

810
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: situation like that, whether it being a hill or sitting

811
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: in the tree looking thirty yards and wondering how come

812
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything? Yeah, you can all relate to

813
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: the I gotta, I got a strategy question for you.

814
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: And the reason I ask is because, like I said,

815
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: it's purely for for me, because there's a chance that

816
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: we're going we're going out in uh out to Nebraska

817
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: to hunt this uh this fall. In regards to you know, scouting,

818
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: let's say you got like four or five days to

819
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: to hunt, and maybe even the less amount of time.

820
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: How how much time is spent in the truck scouting

821
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to scouting outside of the truck, like climbing

822
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: to a higher, higher vantage point or going in a

823
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: little deeper um. That kind of depends on the terre.

824
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: And if you're in the sandills, i'd say there's a

825
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: little bit of time spit in the truck. Um, But

826
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a lot of opportunity to drive

827
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: into some of that church or you're not gonna want

828
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: to because you're gonna be in prime deer country everywhere

829
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: you drive. But the beauty is a lot of the

830
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: time and those branches that you're hunting, those animals are

831
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: more used to trucks than they aren't guys on feet,

832
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: So if they see a truck, they're like, oh, that's

833
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: the rancher. I see that truck all the time, or

834
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I see a truck on time if it's a human

835
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: on a foot. They don't see human on foot on

836
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: their feet very often, and so when they see what

837
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: they freak out, So that you kind of have to

838
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: balance that a little bit with with the terrain you're hunting. Um,

839
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I could give your percentage.

840
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: You just kind of have to to play your odds

841
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but definitely, you know it's it's about,

842
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: especially the sand hills, getting in the highest hill you

843
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: can find and blast and and then work your way

844
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: to the next hill. And because because those there's a

845
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: plenty part about those stand deals is that they're so

846
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: choppy in places where you could be within a half

847
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: a mile of the deer. You can see for three miles,

848
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: but you can be within a half mile there and

849
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: never know he's there just because of the land still

850
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: chop and then you go to the next deal and

851
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: your busting out, so um, you've got to be really careful.

852
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: I don almost say that a vehicle is typically preferred

853
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: if you can get in there, if there's a if

854
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: there's a rance road you can drive on that sort

855
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: of stuff because just because the animals are used to that. Now,

856
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: what about um like your your food to betting, and

857
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: with there not being a lot of trees, you know,

858
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: obviously there's less trees in in Nebraska. Um, and in

859
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: the county that in the county that I hunt, there

860
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: are there are no there's no running water, there's no crips.

861
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: So what kind of what kind of I guess terrain

862
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: features should one be looking for? And this doesn't necessarily

863
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: have to be in reference to just Nebraska, but in

864
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: all open lands style of hunts. What kind of rain

865
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: features should we be looking for, whether it's for you know,

866
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: for movement or forbetting. Yeah, so that's a that's a

867
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: great question. And the hills are gonna be choppy. Like

868
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: I said, one thing I would key on big time,

869
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: especially if you don't have any running water is stock

870
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: takes there. If there's gonna be there's gonna be some

871
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: sort of water. Those those animals have to water. I mean,

872
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: they do get a lot of water from dew, but

873
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: out here there's not a lot of dew in the morning,

874
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: So it's dry country. It's aired. We get less than

875
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: twenty inches of rainy year. Where you're hunting, they probably

876
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: get sixteen to ten and just a rainy year if

877
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: it's before I think or if I would imagine it is.

878
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: It's not far from me and that's about what we get.

879
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of most of you to

880
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: be had. So I would find if you can get

881
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: on Google Maps, or if the rancher or the farmer,

882
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: or even on public land because a lot of that

883
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: land is turned out for grazings, so there's there's wind

884
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: nails on it. I would key in on those huge

885
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Those are your spotsors where every every year in the

886
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: neighborhood is gonna go to that spot, even if they're

887
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: not thirsty, the bucks are gonna go there to see

888
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: if a dose been there. It's it's almost like a signpost,

889
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: like a scraper rug would be. So that's what I

890
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: would key in on um and then just try to

891
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: find travel corridors um how they're using they're gonna they're

892
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: not gonna walk over the top of the highest hill.

893
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna cut across. If they're gonna use saddles. It's

894
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of like mountain hunting, you know, use those contours

895
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: to stay hidden as they move. Thank you very much,

896
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: no problem. I hope that works for you though, so gosh,

897
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: I hope so too, Dan. You need some redemption from

898
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: last time, right, right, I missed an antelope last year,

899
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, my first, my first ever a right, not

900
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: last year or two years ago. But you know, you

901
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: go out there and I'm I'm iowan, right, so I'm

902
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: a tree stand hunter. U. So you go out there

903
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: and you're all I knew was don't skyline yourself and

904
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: move you know, glass, then move glass, then move But still,

905
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: like you said, I was bumping, I was bumping deer

906
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: out of certain areas or um. I would be walking

907
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: to a point where I didn't think I was skyline,

908
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: but I kept having to remember there's no trees to

909
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: block block me. So yeah, I was skylined from some angle,

910
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: maybe not the angle that I thought it was. Yeah.

911
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: And then and they can, like I said, they don't

912
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: see humans very often outside their vehicles, so when they

913
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: see someone on foot, then they freaked out and they

914
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: would be in the next county quick antlope in the

915
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: same way. So and one thing about one thing, I

916
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: guess i'll I'll touch on And I don't know how

917
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: or why you why you missed. But um, distances are

918
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: weird out here. People that people didn't hunt heavy cover, heavery,

919
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: timber get a little freaked out about distance when they're

920
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: out here. Everything is farther than you think. Um or

921
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: sometimes I mean it's just it's an optical illusion. I mean,

922
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: I've missed antelope with my boat that I thought were

923
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: half as close as they were, um, if I didn't

924
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: have time to arrange them. So I would say, if you,

925
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: if you come back out next year trying to bring

926
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: a decoy, because there's nothing better than decoy and antelopes

927
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: right now? Have you gonna buy one? Have you ever

928
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: tried the decoy helmet? Have you seen that? I have not.

929
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: I have not tried to decoy, but I see it

930
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know that i'd use it or not.

931
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a quick story about my girlfriends first antalope.

932
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: She killed one last October with her muzzleloader. September with

933
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: her muzzleloader. UM, and we can use uh the muzzleader

934
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: season in the basket her handlot falls right in the

935
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: peak of the helope up. So decoing is a phenomenal.

936
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't we use it on land that I not

937
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: only went on obviously with a with a firearm as

938
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 1: the unloader, but still you don't want guys shooting it set.

939
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: But we we endo the day we saw about cruising

940
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: along the hillside and we skirted around to get to

941
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: him in front of him, and he moved a little faster,

942
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: we thought, and we picked our head up and we

943
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: didn't have an antelope hat on. We didn't. Just picked

944
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: our head up and he saw us, and he came

945
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: to fourteen yards on a dead sprint. I decided to

946
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: put the decoy up. It was useless. I threw it

947
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: behind me and ducked, and basically my girlfriend killed him

948
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: when he kind of skirted us with my fourteen yards.

949
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: He freaked out about as bad as we did, and

950
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: she killed him at fifty yards. So um, So, I

951
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: don't think you need the deco helmet peak as long

952
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: as they don't see your whole body. Antelope are so

953
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: curious that will come to it. I mean, especially in

954
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: the rut, especially if they have does and there's been

955
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: bucks challenging them, little bucks challenging them. Man, it's there's

956
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: nothing more exciting. It's it's one of my favorite things

957
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: to do. Well, I'll tell you what whether we do

958
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: mule deer hunting or analope hunting or whatever we do.

959
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: If we get out there, Dan, I'm making you wear

960
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: a decoy helmet and you're gonna run around on all

961
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: fours and I'm going to see if we can get

962
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: a deer to come run enough to you. How about that.

963
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: I'll do it, I'll do it. It's funny. I remember

964
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: reading that. I think it was even a Chuck Adams

965
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: article about hunting a sit in black tail on code

966
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: yak because they were wearing uh some sort of deer

967
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: deer hasts on there. It's because the deer they're gettingly curious.

968
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: My problem with that is there's criticially's code. Yeah, you

969
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: don't want to decoy that of no? Oh man, Yeah,

970
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: that's that would make for quite an experience, that's for sure.

971
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: So so, Dame, I want to pivot really quick here

972
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: before we have to let you go, because I want

973
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: to make sure we talk about wild game cooking. Like

974
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you contribute to the wild Chef blog right

975
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: on the Field and Stream website. You've done a lot

976
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: of that kind of writing, So I want to make

977
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: sure we pick your brain a little bit about that

978
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: um okay, So I guess first, what is your favorite

979
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: way to cook venison, like your go to the best

980
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: way if you had to pick one, that's a tough one.

981
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: That's really hard to say. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you,

982
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: and it's there's a it's there's a bandwagon now. But

983
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: I was doing it before it was cool and I

984
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: was a hipster. I was doing it pot it was cool.

985
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Shanks on shanks on any deer, elk, candlope, anything are

986
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: the best cut. I almost put him over a backstrap

987
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: a new day of the week and people will rape

988
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: me out with the cold for it. But the shanks

989
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: slow cooked with like some Chipotle's and some Mexican spices.

990
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Southwestern flavors guy. I love text Max,

991
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: I love Tothwestern food. Green chilis, so I'm gonna say that,

992
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 1: and then wrapping it towards you just like like almost

993
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: like make a green chili and then smother bree does

994
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: with it, or just some shredded up like that. That's

995
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: my favorite. I don't know, it's not fancy, it's kind

996
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: of peasant food, but man, do I love just some

997
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: shredded shrink shanks with some green chili. It's it's my

998
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: favorite art man. Now, a lot of guys they don't

999
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: even save their shanks though, right, how do you know?

1000
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: They they throw it out. It drives me crazy, right,

1001
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: So so for those guys, and I have to admit

1002
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: I have done that on occasion and I shouldn't. Um,

1003
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you I used to do it. I

1004
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: did it for years until I figured out if you

1005
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: just slow cooking their doorst So how how do you

1006
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: go about doing that? Hey? How should you be like

1007
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: butchering it? And to save it in the right way,

1008
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: to freeze it up in the right way, and then

1009
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: how do you go about actually, you know, using it? Okay,

1010
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: so you know we all know the shank is, so

1011
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: just cut off that fore leg where this cut off

1012
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: the fore leg, and then you'll have the shank will

1013
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: be the next cut. I take a sauce all um

1014
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: and cut off above the knuckle on each end. So

1015
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: I have a bone on a white tail, probably trying

1016
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: to visit it in my head, six to seven inch

1017
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: bone that's got some meat wrapped around it, and it

1018
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: looks like it's full of tandon and the silver and

1019
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: it is. But that's gonna cook away on a on

1020
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: a on a deer sized animal, either whether it be

1021
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: a white tail or an antelope or probably even a

1022
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: mule deer. I would actually leave them whole, so it's

1023
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: a whole shank um. A lot of guys will cut

1024
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: them into about two inch sections with the saws all

1025
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: or a bone sauce um and then you know, just

1026
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: wrapping preaches that way. If you're gonna cook it right away,

1027
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: you want to brave it. I mean, there's two techniques

1028
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: you need to know as a wild game cook cotton

1029
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: fast on the grill or in a hotcast and skillet

1030
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: for steaks. You know that you don't want to overcook

1031
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: that or slow and low, and that's brazing. It's kind

1032
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: of the same thing you're doing in the crop pot.

1033
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: You're you're cooking into two hundred fifty two hundred seventy

1034
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: five degree up and in a covered pot with a

1035
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: little bit of moisture, and that that silver skin and

1036
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: those tendons just melt away and there's and actually it

1037
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: makes it better because that melts into like almost just

1038
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: like a gelatinous thick or sauce. It makes it even better.

1039
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: So so that's what you do with your shanks. You

1040
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys will cut them off and

1041
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: grind it for jerky. That's fine too. You want to

1042
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: have a good grinder to cut through all that silver skin, though,

1043
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: And if you gonna try to do it with a

1044
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: nice it's it's a waste of time. It's better just

1045
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: to let that stuff cook away and and and use

1046
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: that as a flavor. Yeah. Earlier, I kind of embarrassingly

1047
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: will admit that I don't know, like ten years ago

1048
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: or a long time ago, when I was trying to

1049
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: deal with one of my own dear by myself for

1050
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: the first time. I remember getting to the shank and

1051
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm just gonna try to

1052
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: like cut out each tiny little sliver that I can

1053
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: without silver skin. So I was in there trying to

1054
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: pull out little tiny pieces between tendons. It was a disaster.

1055
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: So I'm the same way. I'm I'm a meat miser.

1056
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: I really, I mean I took I butchered test as

1057
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: antelope last year, and then I took an animal if

1058
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: I killed myoming a couple of days later to a butcher,

1059
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 1: and I got half as much meat from the book.

1060
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: There and that's not to say all butchers are bad,

1061
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: but you know they're doing things quickly. They're not going

1062
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: to take time. Man, it takes me so long to

1063
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: butcher my own animals. I do it all myself, but

1064
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: because I want every last ance of meat on there,

1065
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: and I got tired of and they're spending a ton

1066
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: of time on those shanks just and then not getting

1067
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: any deep because you cut away one came and then

1068
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: there's another one there, another piece of still skin, or

1069
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: or throw them away. I just because like, man, this

1070
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: is good need I can't be I can't be wasting it.

1071
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: What do I need to do with this? So I,

1072
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, educated myself and and learned that, hey, you

1073
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: just gotta cook them right. Yeah. So, so speaking of

1074
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, breaking your animal down and butchering it and

1075
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Given you know, all the

1076
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: different articles you've done in this and the different people

1077
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: I imagine you've talked to, is there any particular common

1078
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: mistakes that you hear that most hunters are making when

1079
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: it comes to that processing part of the process. Um,

1080
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's common mistakes. There's so many

1081
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: different ways to do it. My biggest thing was it

1082
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: say just take your time. And I think a lot

1083
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: of guys they do it themselves and they like the

1084
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: idea of doing yourself, but they hate the drudgery. So

1085
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: once they start doing it, they just go, I gotta

1086
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: get this done. I got you know, footballs on or

1087
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: something's going on, or I gotta watch my kids talking.

1088
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: I gotta get this tone. And they take way too

1089
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: much time. I mean, they do it too quickly. They

1090
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: don't take enough time. So that's my biggest suggestion. Just

1091
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: set aside a day to to butcher and do it right. Yeah.

1092
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: I also recommend several cold beers and maybe a podcast

1093
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: to listen to while you're doing it. Yeah. Yeah, since

1094
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: I discovered podcasting, I would agree with that one. But

1095
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: the cold beers that they need equation for a long time.

1096
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: Not too many though, because you have sharp ripes that

1097
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: involved you. Be careful, Yes, be responsible, Dan, I'm good

1098
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: on that responsible. So so what about grilling Venison? You

1099
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: did a feature this summer. I'm pretty sure I saw

1100
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: it was you for Feeling and the stream right that

1101
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: was all about different wild game grilling ideas, um, the

1102
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: whole grilling package from Yeah, that was pretty cool of

1103
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: some some very good looking stuff. Is there anything from

1104
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: that or otherwise you can share. So when it comes

1105
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: to grilling venison, you know, I think what I always

1106
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: say is manage your cuts to the type of cooking

1107
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. So grilling, you're gonna want something that's

1108
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: that's thinner, and you want to cook it hot and fast.

1109
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Um So you want your girls super hot and you

1110
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: want to see its of that outside gets that crunchy

1111
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of deliciousness. But you've gotta be careful, especially on venisine,

1112
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: because once you over cook in it's and it turns

1113
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: into disgusting leather that doesn't taste like very good. It

1114
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: tastes like iron and shoe leather. So you still need

1115
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: it medium rare no matter what you're cooking. Um So,

1116
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: you want to do hot and fast and manage your

1117
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: fire that way, you know. And you hear it all

1118
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: the time they talk about going, but the two zone

1119
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: fire is all I use. I always matter I'm using

1120
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: my gas grow or my charcoal grow. I always have

1121
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: a cold side. So if something does flare up, or

1122
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: something's getting too hot and the other cut's not done yet,

1123
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: I can move it over there. That's that's my biggest

1124
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: suggestion for thrilling. It's you know, I grew up with

1125
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: my dad grilling, and you know, a flare up was

1126
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: just something you poured beer on. You know, it's just

1127
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, you have the whole grill and it turned

1128
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: into a big, big pile of flames. But once you

1129
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: learn about you know, two zone or even three zone

1130
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: going when you have a hot, a warm and a

1131
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: cool side, you know, manage your meat that way. Just

1132
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: move it around to where it needs to be. But

1133
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, make sure you get that outside feared. Um.

1134
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, people say, you see her the outside of

1135
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: us take to hold the juice is in, and that's

1136
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: not really true. I don't think you'll ever hold the

1137
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: juice is into anything unless you back you see. But

1138
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: but you want that kind of crispy prunchy outside that

1139
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: has all that sunctuous flavor on it, and then you

1140
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: know you still have your voice inside that that's just

1141
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: a little bit bloody, at least it is for me.

1142
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: So you talked about this hot and fast versus slow

1143
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: and low. You know, is there are which cuts are

1144
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: right for either or because I feel like some people,

1145
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I mean I think they know which but I don't know,

1146
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: is there is there some rules that we should foul

1147
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: like you always do X with Y my my, my heart.

1148
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: And fast rule is the farther you get away from

1149
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: the header hoofs of any animal, the more tender than meat.

1150
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: Think about your most tender cut. It's the tenderline. It's

1151
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: far away from the head and the thods, backstraps come next.

1152
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: It's far away. The closer you get, the more those

1153
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: muscles move. And what makes what makes meat tough or

1154
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: what makes it cut tough, is how much it moves,

1155
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: how much animal uses it. The next uses to make

1156
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: it top. So the next tough meat, it's legs. It's

1157
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's where your front shoulders. That's some tougher

1158
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: meat because they use is a lot your shanks close

1159
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: to hoof that's your toughest meat. That's toughest meat on

1160
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: any animal. So that's not hard. Fast rule. The farther

1161
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: it is away from the hooves or the head, the

1162
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: more tinder the cut. And then the more tender the cut.

1163
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: That's the stuff you usually want to cook hotten fast

1164
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: because you don't want it. You don't need to cook

1165
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: that stuff. It'll cook quickly. You don't overcook it, and

1166
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: it's good. If it's tough, you're gonna want to cook

1167
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: it longer at a lower temperature to break those fibers down. Um,

1168
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: So it's not a stuff and you can actually chew it.

1169
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to remember it. I like

1170
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: the hooves to head reference points. That makes a lot

1171
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: of sense. That's right. So you know you're gonna be

1172
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: grilling or you're gonna be cooking hot and fast your

1173
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: backshaft your tender loins. There are some cuts the sirloin

1174
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: um that are you know, from behind him, that are better.

1175
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: Some of those stufs are a little coffer. You kind

1176
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: of learned that as you butcher your dear. There's there's

1177
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: the uh sur always inside the hind corn. It's delicious. Uh.

1178
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: There's a couple of steaks you can cut off that

1179
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: French shoulder that you can cook hotton fast. They're gonna

1180
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: be a little tougher, but I don't mind. I mean,

1181
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: I actually, and this is another thing people right nearly close,

1182
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not the biggest tenderloin fan Um. They're okay,

1183
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: but they don't have a lot of flavor, and to me,

1184
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: they're a little too mushy. I mean, they're so soft,

1185
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: especially on a younger dear. I mean, as much as

1186
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: I love to kill young deer, because all the rest

1187
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: of its super tender man, the tenderlins are almost too

1188
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: soft me. I like to have a little chew to

1189
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: my meat, and so there's a couple of steaks off

1190
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: that front, or a little but I've got and I'll

1191
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: actually grill m Speaking of speaking steaks, I feel like

1192
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: I remember crem If I'm wrong, but I think I

1193
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: remember reading maybe as a blog post from you at

1194
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: some point talking about I know it was like a

1195
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Chimmy Cherry sauce or something like that, was like a

1196
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: recommended steak topper that lots of people don't use or

1197
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: something like that. I guess, first, did you write an

1198
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: article like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was

1199
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: lucky enough to go to Argentina earlier this year. Um,

1200
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: and Jenny Cherry is really big in Argentina. But I

1201
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: also had another sauce in the name escapes me in

1202
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: my head right now, that was really good that I

1203
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: had in Argentina. That, um, that's great and it's just

1204
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: a little vinegar, some shallots or onion, snice stuff real fine, um,

1205
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: and some maybe some red or green pepper sty stuff

1206
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: real fine and in a little bit of garlic. It's

1207
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: so good. We had that on our steak down there.

1208
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: Ruby Way and Jimmy Cherries are similar. Um. Chimen cherries

1209
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: used to throw some garlic and a lot of parsley,

1210
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Trees using really really green sauce from all

1211
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: that partsley. Um. So yeah, those are two great steak

1212
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: sauces that aren't really sauces like you know, It's not

1213
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: like an A one. It's not a thick sauce or

1214
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: catchup or anything like that. It's more a really fresh,

1215
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: bright flavor that that really compliments the flavor of the

1216
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: venison really well, or any steak, and you can use

1217
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: it on a beef steak too. It's it's instead of

1218
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: being thick and cloying and sweet like the barbecue or

1219
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: A one saucers a typical steak sauce, it's more bright

1220
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: and fresh and really just compliments as well. Yeah. So,

1221
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: so to that point, then, in addition to those two

1222
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, I was curious, do you have any

1223
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: other recommended I don't know if you want to call

1224
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: a sauce or a topper or a flourish. I don't

1225
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: know what garnish to to kind of spice up your steak,

1226
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, I feel like, you know,

1227
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: throw some salt in or steak and grill it, and

1228
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: if after doing that, you know, ten times a summer,

1229
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: they might want to kind of make things a little fresher,

1230
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: little new for their next meal. Any recommendations for taking

1231
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: your steak to the next level. Yeah, for a long time,

1232
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't a marinade fan because I felt like most

1233
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: marinade people, you know, Ports and Italian season and as

1234
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: the top bag through a steak in there and put

1235
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: it in the refrigerator for four days, thought that they

1236
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: were tenderizing it and really just end up with a

1237
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: musty steak that tasted like a salad. And so I

1238
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: tended to get away from it. But there are really

1239
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: like marinades. The key is for me and for any marinade,

1240
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: you really don't need to marinade a steak more than

1241
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: four hours because where you're really flavoring it, a marinade

1242
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: doesn't tenderize a steak unless you're using yogurt and enzyme

1243
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: or pineapple juice. Most stuff that you use like a

1244
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: vinegar that's not really tenderizing its flavoring. So I'm kind

1245
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: of into some Asian flavors. I love little soy sauce,

1246
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: a little bearings. Uh, just to touch a sessantly oil

1247
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: session we always goes a really long way. But if

1248
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: you put a touch of sessame oil and a little

1249
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: bit of soy sauce, maybe some sesame seeds um coriander,

1250
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: and throw that in a quick marinade. Oh man, that's

1251
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of my favorite right now. That does

1252
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: sound very good. I'm getting pretty younger and it's funny.

1253
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: I yeah, I get I feel on stages where like

1254
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: I'll get on an Asian kick for a long time,

1255
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: so you know, for a month, I'll you know, all

1256
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: my stage and I'll make up as Asian. So I'm

1257
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't have any hard and fast

1258
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: rules when I make a man, and it's usually like,

1259
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm hungry, I'm gonna what am I gonna

1260
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: throw in a ball with together? So I'll do some

1261
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: Asian flavors and then I'll be like, oh no, no,

1262
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: I like text mix and so then I'll need some

1263
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Speaker 1: text mix for a month or two and they'll get

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Speaker 1: sick of that. So it's funny. I just kind of

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00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: I just kind of go on stages, you know, kind

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: of go around the world, I guess. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: he said that a lot of guys just to assault

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Speaker 1: other staking called good Man for a backstaff, coach for

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: salt and black pepper. That's That's about all that is

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Speaker 1: to do it that I will. I'll throw a plug

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Speaker 1: in and it's not really a plug, but I believe

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Speaker 1: that I've been using it for like fifteen years. There's

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Speaker 1: a seasoning that's Nebraska local called Baltges Seasoning, and it's

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Speaker 1: made by a little family in North Plat and it

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Speaker 1: is by far the best wild game seasoning I have

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Speaker 1: ever tried. They I kind of know the family, but

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Speaker 1: it's not like I'm doing them any favors. I I

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: just believe in it. So if you're ever in a brasket,

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01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: you'll be near North platte Ogalala. Go on the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: I almost promised they have some balls. There's season there.

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, everybody has their favorite. There's Montreal, there's Johnny's.

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Speaker 1: It's like that. But for some reason, I wish I

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Speaker 1: knew what they put in it, because I make it myself.

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: But I just I just buy a nick Jar balls

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Speaker 1: whige is whatever. I'm in the grocery store and I

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Speaker 1: go through it its own, and I've started people onto

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01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: it all over the place, so alight. That's why, that's

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Speaker 1: why one plug for the day started for jumping in

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Speaker 1: and of thinking if you have any seasoning advertisers, we

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Speaker 1: do not. Me and Daniel make sure to keep that

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Speaker 1: out there. That was no and nobody compensated for that.

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Speaker 1: I actually just love it, so that's awesome. So how

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Speaker 1: about the guy. Any marinats or seasons I should know

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Speaker 1: about or try. I mean, that's what I think I

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Speaker 1: like about. When I travel to Hunt, I always learned new,

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Speaker 1: either new techniques or new flavorings. And so let me

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Speaker 1: pick your brain real quick. How about you guys? Oh jeez,

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: you're asking the wrong guys. I think I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I do olive oil and garlic. That's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a marinade that I've used over the years. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of soy sauce and uh what,

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01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: it's set for an hour or two before I throw

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Speaker 1: it on a grill, and that's what I've used in

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Speaker 1: the past for for grilling. Um, when I do my

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01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I do my low and slow in

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Speaker 1: the crock pot, that's more of you know, chopped garlic

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Speaker 1: and uh, some salt and pepper. I throw some lemon

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Speaker 1: pepper on there as well. Yeah, yeah, Litton pepper is

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Speaker 1: really good. And it's funny. It's those It's funny how

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Speaker 1: the two techniques. And I don't know why this is

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Speaker 1: the hot pest grilling you kind of go with fresher,

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: brighter flavors. But for some reason, when we pick croc

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Speaker 1: pot or braising or any of that slow cooking, we

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: want these rich tea flavors. You know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's because we're doing that in the winter and

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: we want to be warm, you know, we want to

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Speaker 1: Hungarian goo losh and stuff like that. So we want big, thick,

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Speaker 1: flavorful stuff. And in the summer to work, we just

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01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: want something to to, you know, to chase our beer with.

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Speaker 1: But but it's funny how how your tongue kind of

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01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: travels through these different flavor paths throughout the year. It is,

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Speaker 1: it is, it's it's kind of funny. You mentioned that

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Speaker 1: we do some kind of similar things. I don't do

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Speaker 1: a lot of like marinades for our steak. Usually what

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,479
Speaker 1: I end up doing is I'll just do olive oil

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Speaker 1: and salt on the steak, grill it up. But then

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Speaker 1: we might put some kind of like topper or sauce

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Speaker 1: on it, or on the side or something. So we

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01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: sometimes make like an herb butter, Like my wife will

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01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: mix up a bunch of herbs with some whipped butter,

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: and then we might put a little doallup of that

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Speaker 1: on top of the steak. Um. We also will put

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Speaker 1: sometimes my wife does this more than I do. She'll

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Speaker 1: sometimes just pour like balsamic vinegarrette on her steak um.

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Speaker 1: And then something that I really like that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of commonly held um. You know, it's a popular

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: uses some sort of berry sauce on your venison. So

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Speaker 1: just the other day I growed up some steaks and

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: we made a sauce. Well, first we saute some shitaki mushrooms,

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: some great big shitaki mushrooms sliced up, and then we

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01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: made a saw us out of blackberries, fresh blackberries, a

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: dark red wine and some butter and onions and got

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: that all mixed up and hot together and put that

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: on top of the mushrooms on the steak, and that

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: was just dynamite. Oh yeah. That and this time of year,

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, you're starting to get some fresh berries coming

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01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: off everywhere, especially if you're in Montana, you should be

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: able to find some fresh blueberries are pretty quick, and

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 1: you know it's it's hard to beat some fresh blue

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: fresh blueberry pant sauce on a steak. So um man,

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: that's that's just a great thing. But that you know,

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Speaker 1: you you made you made a point there that I

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: want to bring up, and you said you mix some

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: herbs with the with butter. You know, that's that's something

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01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: that's very simple to do. It's called the compound butter

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01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: and you can put about any flavor as you want

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01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: in it. Um that's a great things I've been doing

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,439
Speaker 1: so launcher of lime juice and butter and actually put

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01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: it on our fresh grilled sweet corn and it's just

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Speaker 1: to diapho. And the thing is you can make that

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: compound butter ahead of time and stick at the freezer

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: and then just cut off a little bit of it

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01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: and put it on top of your steak. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's The secret the most great steakhouses in the world

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01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: is before they bring their steak out to you, they

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: put a big old hunk of butter on it, melted

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: into it as they bring it to your cables. So, uh,

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01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, they called the compound butter and make any

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01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, any any combination of herbs or flavoring you want,

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: whip that into some butter and then and freeze it,

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: and then you'll always have a great steak topping whenever,

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: any time of year. So yeah, that's a that's a

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01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: great suggestion. The idea of making it ahead of time

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: and saving it for future, for future uses, That's that's

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Speaker 1: the way to go. So I'll tell you one thing, David,

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Speaker 1: you have most definitely made me hungry and anty to

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: get out of the studio and get to dinner. So well,

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01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: that's good. I think you're having a fresh trout dinner

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: or or something. I don't know what my dinner plans

1380
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: for tonight are you we'll see in there. You know.

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01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: I like to think that I'm this this well known

1382
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: wild game cook, but a lot of time it's cheese

1383
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: wrapped into our chia because I'm in a hurry to

1384
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: the truth comes out. So that is true. So before

1385
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: we let you go really quick, David, if anyone wants

1386
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: to see your work, to read some of your articles,

1387
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, where should they go? Where should they look

1388
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: to find that stuff? Yeah? So so on field stream

1389
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: dot com. There's a blog called the wild Chef that's

1390
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: written by me, so, um, you'll find my stuff there. Um.

1391
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: I write the fair Game column every month in Peterson's

1392
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: Hunting magazine and that's also all cooking related. Um, if

1393
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: you just want in general hunting stuff, film Stream the

1394
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: print magazine almost always has something in needed. Buy at

1395
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: Peterson Hunting Wildfowl. I'm a big water fowler, so I

1396
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: love contributed to Wildfowl and uh, you know, I'd love

1397
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: burn to follow me on instagram sperreal fork is my

1398
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: instagram f e r a l fork f r K,

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: And uh, you know it's just kind of my my

1400
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: I call that my facade. That's my curated life. That's

1401
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: all the cool stuff I do. You don't you don't

1402
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: have to see me sitting in my computer ten hours

1403
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: a day writing words out to see everyone's while I

1404
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: catch a nice blue deal or or I feel a

1405
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: nice animal and I get it on there so follow

1406
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: me there or um, you know, checking out on field

1407
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: stream dot com. And I'd love to have people to

1408
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: try them in whenever they want. So awesome, well, I will.

1409
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: I will recommend everyone listening to follow you on Instagram

1410
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: if and only if you will post a picture of

1411
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: you eating a tortilla with cheese. I will do that.

1412
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: I will. I might have got fancy it up with

1413
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: some saucer or something, so it's not proletaria, but I

1414
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: will definitely do that. Alright, man, I I'm really appreciate.

1415
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: I was excited when you asked me to come on.

1416
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big fan of wire to Hunt and

1417
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: a big fan of everything you guys do, and so

1418
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to be on here. I'm again I

1419
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: gotta join you guys and talk about something that usually

1420
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't do enough. And that's why I get on.

1421
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: I get out for meal there and elk and ducks

1422
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: and geese, and I try to get out a few

1423
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: days every year for white tail, but I always like

1424
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: to talking about it. So we appreciate to this is.

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: This has been a blast. We uh we got some

1426
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: good laughs. I'm good info and uh hungry stomachs, so David,

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01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: You're welcome back any time. Great, great, thanks guys and Dan.

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01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: Good luck in Nebraska. So it's my it's my favorite stage.

1429
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: It's been my home my whole life. So I'm got

1430
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: to gonna come out here, don it. But as I

1431
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: told you before, there are another here here, so move

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: along please. All right, David, have a good one. We'll

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01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: talk to you soon and with that we will wrap

1434
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: this one up. So before we go, we do need

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Speaker 1: to take a quick second to thank our partners who

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Speaker 1: helped keep this podcast going so big. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: Carbon Express, Maybon Optics, and the White Tailed Institute of

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Speaker 1: North America. Thank you, thank you, and finally, thank you

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Speaker 1: all for joining us today and tuning in. Hopefully enjoy

1441
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: this conversation with David and our talks about the great

1442
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: planes and cooking, venison and even the butterfly effect. You

1443
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: never you never quite know where we're gonna go with

1444
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: these things, but hopefully you stuck around and enjoyed what

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01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: we had to say. So until next time, thanks again,

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to Hunt.