WEBVTT - Part Two: The History of American Masculinity Grifters 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:07.560 Also media, welcome back to Behind the Bastards. I'm doing 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.920 my Halloween boys because this will probably come out pretty 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.319 close to Halloween. Miles. And if you be poisoned, if 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:14.640 you have. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.560 The poisoned candy, Have ever poisoned candy? 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.759 Yeah, anyone's candy. If you ever poisoned a child's candy, Miles. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.680 No, I used to poison mine to get out of school. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:23.880 There. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.400 Well, we'll leave that and maybe Miles. Are you ready 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.639 to get back into part two here? Miles Gray Host, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:30.880 I'm so ready. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.559 I'm so ready because, like I said, I feel like 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.040 I feel like man's are going to turn it around. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.680 Yes, some men are going to fluence themselves into a 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:39.400 healthier place. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.080 I feel like I hated that we've got Look, we've 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:44.720 got man fluenza over here. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:52.560 I hated that also concerned about men, including both of you. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.960 So I'm going to start this episode by returning to 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.240 the distant past and the next era of man masculinity 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.759 gurus to come around after the stock market collapsed. One 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.160 of the first guys through that particular door was a 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:12.160 man that you probably heard his name, Charles Atlas. When 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.800 nineteen thirty started, Reading started running a series of ads 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:19.319 in Popular Mechanics, bragging, let me prove in seven days 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.800 that I can make you a new man now. Atlas 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.280 was obviously not the first guy to promise insecure men 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.320 that he could make them huge, and that in doing 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.800 so he would solve every problem in their lives, but 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.440 he was probably the most muscular of the first generation 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.360 of these guys. As the Depression faded and the war 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.880 years came, Atlas was also the first to realize that 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.560 magazines meant for mature adults, like Popular Mechanics, weren't the 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.840 best place to target insecure young men. To do that, 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.240 you had to reach them in comic books. Charles placed 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.760 ads in every comic under the sun. Because this was 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.120 a hungrier era in general, he didn't tend to focus 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.040 on like trying to get men, you know, to lose 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.440 weight or whatever. That really wasn't a thing, right, trying 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.840 to convince them that like they're fat and out of shape, 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.280 that wouldn't really work in this era because everyone's starving. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.600 So instead he mocked them for being too skinny. This 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.800 tactic culminated in his famous ninety seven pound weekling ads. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.240 Here's an early example, right, and to think they called 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.760 me skinny, give me fifteen minutes a day and I'll 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.959 give you a new body. And then we see a 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:25.040 very a very oily Italian man, right, I mean, just 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:32.360 just as shiny as the days longer paint undise painted 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.800 on him. There's a little box underneath him, right above 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.400 his knees that says Charles Atlas, holder of the title 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:44.000 the world's most perfectly developed man. But you're wondering where 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.799 does that titles? Car Internet who decided that we'll talk 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:48.079 about it? 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.000 Did he did? 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.200 Now? What really made Charles stand out in a crowded 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.240 field of fitness Gurdus was his laser focus on fucking 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.800 with the self confidence of boys and young men reading 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.680 his age. Right. He was the guy who was like, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.000 I'm I'm just going to use body dysmorphia to make 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.520 all of my mone you know, to make And he 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.799 really did it, probably the first guy I saw doing 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.919 it in a really organized way that I've found that's 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.080 like really unhealthy, in a very modern way where he 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.200 just wants you to feel bad about your body. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:14.760 Right. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.120 His most popular ninety seven pound weekly ads were comics themselves, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.680 so he is really targeting kids to make them hate 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.519 their bodies. And the premise of like most of these, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.239 was that a bully at the beach mocks our protagonist 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.880 for being scrawny. In the comic I have here, he's saying, hey, skinny, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.080 your ribs are showing. Don't let him hit you, Joe, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.600 watch what you say full off, shut up your bag 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.640 of bones. And then the muscular guy hits our hero, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:46.080 who takes Charles Atlas's getting jacked, course, becomes swollen, and 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:47.920 then goes back to the beach to beat the shit 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.160 out of this guy and presumably take back his woman. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:52.960 Right right, that's how it works. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:53.480 Yeah. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.680 Yeah. After he beats up the beach bully, his girlfriend says, oh, Joe, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.520 you are a real he man after all. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.600 Oh Jesus, thank you for me. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.720 Yeah yeah. This comic does not pass the Bechdel test. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.800 I not enjoy that. Yeah, no, horrible stuff. Now, it's 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.040 not going to surprise you to learn that Charles Atlas 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.160 was not his real names. That's that's not anyone's real name. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.800 What is funny is that his real name also sounds fake. 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.200 He was born Angelo Siciliano, which sounds like what JK. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.240 Rowling would have named an Italian wizard. It's not a 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.640 real person's name. 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.520 Angelo Sicilians, yes. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:43.200 Italian wizard. Now, before he was a muscle salesman, he 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.520 was a poor kid in Brooklyn who couldn't afford a 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.479 YMCA membership and tried several fad workouts of the day 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.320 without results. Siciliano thus fell for the con before he 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.279 got in on it himself, treating Bernarmic Fadden's Physical Culture 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.799 magazine as the Bible and hassling strong in at weightlifting 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.040 competitions to learn their secrets. He would later claim that 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.320 the infamous ninety seven pound weekling story had its origins 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.359 in his real life, that that was a thing that 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.920 actually happened to him as a kid, that he had 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.040 sand kicked in his face by a bully. And then 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.200 my favorite part of this is because there were no 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.600 Charles Atlas classes to take when he was bullied as 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.479 a kid, he went to the zoo where he studied 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.919 found out the secrets of muscle growth by watching a 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.200 lion because his old program was like calistenics base. He's like, well, 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.960 lions have muscles and they don't lift weights, so it 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.279 must be a calisthenics problem. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.520 Holy shit. Also that logic, he just like ran down 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.000 like musclemen from the circus to. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.479 He would go to like muscle shows and then would 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.480 like annoy them afterwards, being like, hey, man, had you 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.080 get so big? Howd you get so huge? Like, I 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.800 don't know, eat nothing but beef steak and picked up 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:55.360 heavy things. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:55.560 Bro. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:02.039 It was like the nineteen teens just manomach, just shoveling 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:08.400 it in their mouths aacerous now whatever his real secret, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.120 Sciliano did figure out how to get swollen, and he 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.880 made his living as a circus strongman until in nineteen 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.919 twenty two he met a homeopathic doctor who'd written for 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.119 Physical Culture and hired him to author a fitness course 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.680 he could sell in magazines. He changed his name to 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.000 Charles Atlas, and the rest was history. Now I looked 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.440 into the case of like who declared him the world's 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:32.279 most perfectly developed man, and Wikipedia says there's no evidence 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.040 that he ever won this. This is just a thing 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.000 he declared himself. But I found another source that I 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.000 trust implicitly, barbend dot com, which offers a free arm 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.359 training ebook to readers that claims with citations that he 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.120 did in fact win a most Handsome Man contest held 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.200 by Bernard McFadden and a subsequent America's Most Perfectly Developed 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.200 Man contest held also by Bernard McFadden. So you know, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.479 maybe it's kind of legit. Although he was sort of 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.839 working for the guy right now. Atlas was absolutely a grifter, 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.880 but it came far enough back that he was at 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.800 least fun. Right in his day, it was enough to 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.280 be huge and make kids feel bad about their bodies. Today, 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.400 his descendants, guys like Andrew Taate have to do that. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.560 And you know, they also have to sell like supplements 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.840 and shit, right, they have to get into all this 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:21.760 culture warshit. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:22.000 Right. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.440 It's not just you can't just pose naked and offer 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.160 health and dieting trips tricks anymore, right, Right, you have 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.520 to have a place in the culture wars. Right. You 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.880 have to find a way to like make people think 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.000 that by listening to your shit, they're part of like 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.720 a great and vicious struggle. Right. Otherwise there's just nothing, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.560 like you kind of get lost by the wayside without that. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:44.800 And I don't know why. I think some of this 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.040 has to do with the fact that in Charles Atlas's day, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.840 they didn't really know how people got big, right, They 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.000 generally knew that you had to lift heavy things. But 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.160 there was a lot of lot less was known about, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.880 like sports nutrition and the like. A lot less was 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.600 known about how to work out in order to maximize 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.800 muscle growth, and steroids weren't really a thing. Right now 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.400 we have, thank god steroids. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.560 Thanks right, the anabs came online. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.200 It's easier. People can get swollen pretty easily if they 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.440 have time and money. Now it is right, and the 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.640 acne is free, and the back acne is free, right, 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.160 as is the hgh gut. You too can look like 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:21.880 Joe Roby. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.760 I like to call it organ in large man, all right, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.360 don't call it that's what my organs are becoming oversized. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.600 He has the massive guts of a healthy man. Yeah, 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.760 now I want to uh yeah. So it's like, think 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.520 about that guy who compared himself to the rock before 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.559 getting his legs butchered. Right, Just the fact that you're 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.160 shredded isn't going like. People aren't confident at all as 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.160 a result of that anymore. It doesn't bring you the 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.440 same it used to be. If you were huge, maybe 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.319 that was enough to feel like a big man. Nowadays 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.640 it just really makes you feel like one of the herds. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.560 So these guys who you know, are essentially doing the 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:59.280 same thing Atlas was. They have to sell themselves as 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.560 like culture war icons too, right, because part of in 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.760 part because these men are struggling for something that gives 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.040 them meaning, right, and and war is a force that 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.640 gives us meaning. So they want some sort of like 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.800 thing to fight for and some sort of leader to like, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.640 you know, take the raids, right, right. And a good 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.200 example of like how some guys do this is the 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:26.040 current panic among right wing masculinity influencer types over seed oils. Now. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.600 One of the major sources of the seed oil panic, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.400 and the idea is that seed oils are toxic and 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:35.120 they're stopping you from like being muscular. They're killing you. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.600 They're basically killing you as a man. They're rendering you infertile, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.200 you know. And it's a conspiracy, right, that's kind of 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.559 the insinuation that the spread of seed oils in cooking 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.640 is part of a conspiracy to destroy men. You know. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.360 Yeah, yeah, it's easier to do that than really zoom out. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.000 Yeah it's a seed oils man. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.160 Yeah, man, don't like it is all the seed oils 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.560 that safflower oil is really fucking you up. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.720 Oh man, safflower, I'll pray for you. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.280 Yeah, pray for you. It's got to be olive oil, right, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.240 where's all of oil? Is seed oil? I don't think so, 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:09.160 I hope not. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.720 I mean, I guess it comes from the olives themselves. Whatever, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:16.040 you know, what I'm gonna do. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.559 All I know is my brother says that there's only 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.160 to eat avocado oil. And he's a doctor. He says, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.560 to eat a cotton Oh there you go. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.000 I hear that too, has a high smoke point, higher 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.960 smoke point than olive oils. If you high temperature cooking. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.360 I'm like, I can second that. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.959 See, I'm as as a masculinity influencer myself, Myles, I 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.520 cook only with diesel fuel, you know, yeah, right right, 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.120 if it's good for me. Yeah, oh well yeah to 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:41.960 W three. Well, I just put that on some bread, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.720 you know, a little bit of salt in there. Not 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.960 too much. You don't want to that's too much sodium. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:53.840 Yeah, vegas dip my bread in ten W thirty. So. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.079 One of the big names in the seed oils community 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.400 is Carnivore Orrelius, a Twitter account with more than three 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.680 hundred thousand followers that it's he's done a few things. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.760 He was all these guys my brain. Yeah, take pictures 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.960 of old like buildings from the classical era and be like, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.000 why can't we make these anymore? 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:12.560 Right? 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.680 I mean we could, bro we just have other ways 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.560 of making houses than having men hugh granite for a 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.960 thousand years. I don't know. We have better materials if 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.720 you like, if you ever had to walk around on 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.840 a floor made out of fucking marble when it's raining, Like, yeah, 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:30.480 we have other ways of building things. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.480 Now, if you do that, now you're gonna break your 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.959 little extendo. I'm keep balancing. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.520 So he is one of the big guys who is 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.800 pushing this idea that seed oils are responsible for all 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.400 of the woes of modern life. And I don't think 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.360 I need to waste time breaking down why he's wrong. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.520 But I will show you a post of his from 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.040 August of twenty twenty three, which I find interesting as 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.840 a mirror to the Charles Atlas ads that we started 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.840 this episode with. Before seed oils were invented, everybody was 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.400 hot and healthy, less than ten percent of people were 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:04.680 obedes forty percent today, and CBD was non existent. But 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.480 in the two last hundred years, seed oil consumption has 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.520 increased twenty times, and so is disease. Here a study 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.440 show him why I don't eat them. And then his 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.200 evidence is this picture of Atlantic Beach in nineteen oh eight, Like, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:20.320 look at that, at all these and like, what I 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:21.920 find interesting here is that if you look at the 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.280 men in this, they're like, for one thing, a lot 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.040 shorter than men today tend to be, and also pretty 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.480 skinny as a general rule. And if this same picture 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.280 in nineteen oh eight would have been used by Charles 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.120 Atlas as like evidence of how scrawny the average min 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.640 is and why they need his workout program, they're all wets. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:40.960 Look at these wins. They're going to get sand kicked 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.360 in their face. Look at these. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.880 Bags of bone embarrassments there. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.079 Like Chuck Atlas, he just sees targets there, sand kicking 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.640 targets like that boy on the left right there with 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.440 the you could see him in the left side, bottom 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.040 side of the picture, and the uh, the wife beater 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.720 black shirt. Like that guy's getting sand kicked right in 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:58.200 his face. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:59.040 Oh yeah, so. 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.480 Is the guy all them wife beaters anymore? Is that 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:02.480 a fence in these days? 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.439 Yeah? I think you're supposed to call them tank tops 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.640 tops weak wow tanks. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.439 So the military industrial complex is fine, Miles. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.080 Yeah, I guess I don't know, man, Like I don't 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.760 make the rules. Man, I don't make it. I'm just 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.000 here to sell seed oils. Man. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.160 I did. Like when I was a kid, that was 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.040 the only thing people ever called those shirts. Oh yeah, 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.600 no adult was ever able to explain to me, Like, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.040 why are they called wife beating? 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:25.840 No, the other one you heard was it was a 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:26.600 guinea tea? 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.240 Are the guinea t Yeah? 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.920 Those are like the alternatives, and like there were no 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.160 good options, like to the point now I remember needing 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.840 one and I said it off handily, and my partner, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.160 her majesty, is like, Yo, that's that's that's not can't 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.000 call them that, And I'm like, no, that out loud. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.280 Yeah I don't want to say that in a store. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:47.600 In the small town I grew up. But yeah, they 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.120 were definitely always called wife beaters, and it was because 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.360 it was like a shirt people in trailer parks would 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.720 often wear. And I think probably my mom didn't tell 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.640 me why it got that name because all of my 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.280 friends were kids in trailer parks. Did she want to 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.920 talk shit about their dads. But it was like I 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.079 didn't really evaluate that until just now that like, oh yes, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:08.520 it is kind of messed up to call a T 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.120 shirt that. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.600 Yeah yeah, well look, these are strange times we were dealing. Yeah. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.439 Yeah, we're all growing every every minute. Anyway. It also 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.120 we don't have enough black tank tops in our society. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.640 It's not a bad look. Not a bad look on 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.600 those kids. I'm sure they're dead now, but they look nice. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.000 And hey, you never know photo eight teenagers. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:31.720 They're dead as hell. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:33.880 They're making some. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.400 Worms happy though, Yeah, yeah, probably, or at least we're 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.280 like seventy years ago. Yeah yeah, let's they cremated, which 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.600 is a bad way, but well we'll see, we'll see. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.840 So yeah, this is I just found it funny that 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.400 like the same the same picture that is being like 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.240 portrayed as this is like how much ah men used 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.560 to be real men back when all of those men 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.000 were alive, they were being told you're far too skinny. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.400 But it's the same way even with like who's raising 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:00.040 our kids? 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.360 Right right? The men should be there with the kids. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.080 And now it's like you hear people be. 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.560 Like women they're not raising the kids. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.720 Yeah, I would never hire a man to babies sit. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.880 That's just wrong. And you're like, wow, whatever, it's a 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.680 funhouse mirror. Depending on where your life's at and where yeah, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:16.080 it is. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.600 A certain chunk of the population are just always going 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.600 to be assholes who need to find a reason why 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.680 whatever other people are fine with isn't okay and is 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.120 ruining their lives because usually they want to make money 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.320 off of it, right, you know, like that's just the 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.560 reality of human beings, and the sooner you make peace 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.760 with it, the sooner you can just daydream about those 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:41.000 people getting hit by buses. So yeah, So anyway, I 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.720 want to read a quote about the fake seed oil 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.560 crisis by Rolling Stones EJ. Dixon, just to kind of 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.040 give you some context on this fun little piece of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.440 our culture at the present moment. Carnivora Realis is an 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.680 account dedicated to restoring our ancestral meat loving lifestyle. Its 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.200 website also sells a branded bag of beef liver crisps 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.200 for eighty nine ninety nine my Other proponents of the 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.840 carnivore diet, like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate, Carnivor Orrelius 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.479 frequently advocates for traditional family values, tweeting about how feminism 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.680 is a scam or idyllic photos of young, beautiful blonde 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.640 moms with babies with the caption Ladies, there's nothing wrong 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.640 with you if you want this over becoming a partner 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.080 at a law firm. It is also devoided much space 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.440 to pushing the evils of seed oils. My favorite thing 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.760 about this is so he has to claim. He's claimed 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.520 that seed oils are the most destructive force in the 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.720 world today and cutting them out of the diet will 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.400 hit your diet, will change your health. And some of 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.280 his evidence for that is canola oil is literally made 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.960 from seeds of the rape plant, named after what it 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.600 will do to your health. And Okay, I feel like 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.040 I shouldn't need to say anything here, but I will. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.160 Which is that rape seed which is the unfortunate name 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.040 of the plant that canoila was misspelled whenever I had 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.360 seen No. No, it is an unfortunate name, but it 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.800 has nothing to do with rape. The thing right, It 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.880 comes from the Latin word rape them for turnip because 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.200 it's like related to the turnip planted. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.240 Oh, thank god, just unrelated. I thought, just some sick fuck? 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.600 Was this like you know what we're gonna name it. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.120 Could we have called it rap seed probably probably would 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.399 have been a better idea. But you know, the basement 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.560 scientists never listen to what I think things should be named. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.960 And I keep telling, I keep telling them, and I 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.640 keep telling the you know, the local police say it's 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.120 a misunderstanding. It's a misunderstanding. He's got good ideas. Listen to. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.400 Speaking of calling the local police, don't do that. Listen 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:40.760 to these ads, and we're back. So we are again. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.359 I'm not going to spend a lot of time fact 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:46.720 checking Carnivore Aurelius his Twitter count in part because his 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:48.240 fans won't listen to this show. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:52.320 They can read Yeah, I mean I know about it, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.399 but like maybe maybe offline, you can just tell me 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.080 why I shouldn't be tripping about it because I threw 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:56.520 out all my. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.800 Oh no, you should be very scared of seeing absolutely, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.359 But it's okay. I have a solution for you. You know 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.919 I have I have pure chicken liver that did not 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.080 come from KFC. It just for three hundred dollars a pound. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.359 I will send it to you via the mail. Do 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.280 they have that kids? They used to have it at KFC, 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.119 did they not anymore? I haven't got a KFC in 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.040 a very long time. They had chicken liver and chicken 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.200 livers and it was pretty good. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:22.760 It was not. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.439 I like liver. I'm like the liver king, you know. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.080 Yeah, you some more chev. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.920 Thank you, thank you. It's because of all the steroids. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.400 So going back to our journey through time, you might 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.000 expect the post war era, right the you know, late 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.840 forties through the fifties, to have been a time where 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.200 like the masculinity in crisis thing wouldn't have found much purchase. Right. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.000 If any period of time men were actually confident in themselves, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.360 it must have been the post war years, right. These 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.040 guys went and they kicked some Nazi ass and they 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.919 came back and they bought houses for thirteen dollars, right, Like, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.439 there was never a better time to feel like a 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.000 man than this, as long as. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.840 You were white, right, Yeah, PTSD as a concept didn't 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:07.479 really exist. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.120 You're just drinking your way through that, you know. Yeah, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.440 that guy that poor fucker's show shocked. Yeah, scared of war? Ah, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.679 why do I scream at my kids every night? Just 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.760