1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Happy New Year, America. It's Peter Schweizer. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: This is Eric Eggers, and we were filling in for 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: Sean joined the conversation one eight one hundred ninety four 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: one seven three two six one a hundred ninety four 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: one seven three two six. Something I did not think 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: I would say on this show, and that is that 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: the nation's eyes are turned to Minnesota. You've got massive 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: fraud occurring in Minnesota, and and I think we're just 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: at the tip of the iceberg. 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: I think we're at the tip of the iceberg. The 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: last time we were able to fill in for Sean 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: was actually the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, and we were talking 13 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: about Minnesota fraud then. And it's insane to think that, 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: like two months later, it's still in the news because 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 3: we're still finding out more details about just how pervasive 16 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 3: this is. Of course, we've been covering this story on 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: the podcast We Do the Drill Down, which you can 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: find at the drill down dot com. We were telling 19 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: you about this summer feeding program which had two hundred 20 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars potentially stolen, fraudulent one hundred and 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: twenty five meals that were just fabricated, million meals one 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five million meals insane. Insane. And so 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: as people kind of like peek under the hood, they 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: realize it's not just a fraudulent feeding programs. There's medicaid fraud, 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: there's autism fraud. But Peter, the larger point I think 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: is how did Minnesota get this bad? How did it 27 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: go from a purple state to a state that hasn't 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: had a Republican win statewide election in twenty years. 29 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and well we're going to bring on the last 30 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: one who pulled that off, and that is the former 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: governor of Minnesota, Tim Plenty. Happy New Year to you 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: and Tim, what do you make of all of this? 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 2: I mean, is this surprising to you? 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: Well, Peter and Eric, good to be with you, and 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: happy New Years to you and to your listeners. It 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 4: is a It is really infuriating. And this is an 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: example over not just weeks or months, but years of 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: world class government stupidity and incompetence. And I can walk 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 4: you through the details, that's not spin. But there are 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: years worth of auditor reports, nonpartisan, well respected auditor reports 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: raising red flags about lack of financial controls, concerns about 42 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: potential fraud and a culture in state government that didn't 43 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: take these concerns seriously and it is a travesty. 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me. 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: One of the things that's interesting is that there were 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: actually people in state government that were raising questions about 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 2: this for years, and it seems as if elected officials 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: kind of turned a blind eye. And my question for 49 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: you is you mentioned incompetency, which I think certainly is 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: a term that applies here. But I guess my question 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: is is do you think it's more than that. Do 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: you think that there was a political They derive political 53 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 2: benefits from looking the other way, so it's not just incompetence. 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: There's an element of intentionality with at least some of 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: the political leaders were talking about. 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, there are allegations, and I think they are credible 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: that the state government in part failed to respond in 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 4: a timely manner or at all many of these circumstances 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: because the main perpetrators, as alleged are and we're Somali's 60 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: and of course they didn't want to get the Democrats 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: didn't want to get accused of being racist, that they 62 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 4: wanted to be politically correct. And also there's one hundred 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: thousand person voting block in Minnesota which could decide an election, 64 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: and of course most of those votes go to Democrats. 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 4: So there are concerns that part of this ghost slow 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: or look the other way was because of political correctness 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: concerns around the Somali community and they're big supporters of 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: the Democrats. 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt about it. And I'm very interested 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: in your perspective. Having been the governor of the state 71 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: and seeing the growth of the Somali community that obviously 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: the shift towards consistently voting for just Democrats. But to 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: your point, and to your point about the influence of 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: the Somali community and the fealty with which Democrat elected 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: officials treat some of these people. Listen to this audio. 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: We played this on our podcast a few weeks ago. 77 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: This is Attorney General Keith Ellison meeting with a collection 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: of Somali business leaders, and the Smali business leaders are 79 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: complaining about the fact that the state government in Minnesota 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: is giving them a hard time. So the first voice 81 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: you're gonna hear are voice of the Somali business community, 82 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: and then you're gonna hear Keith Ellison respond to their 83 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: request because they're saying listen, and many of these people, 84 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: by the way, should be pointed out, we're literally arrested 85 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: a month after this meeting for committing frauds. So the 86 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 3: state agencies asking them questions, I think we're legitimate, but 87 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: listen to this audience. I'd love to hear your reaction 88 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: to this. 89 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 5: What we're talking about here, General Ellison is we have 90 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 5: systemic patterns of abuse, waste, and fraud from the departments, 91 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 5: claiming the same from minority business owners, and we've taken 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 5: it far too long. 93 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 6: Of course, I'm here in the hill, and okay, just 94 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 6: to say, just getting the question, just getting the inquiry 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 6: from the agen is sometimes enough to make people knock 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 6: it off. 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Governor plenty. So that is a tape, by the way, 98 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: I should say it was provided by the Center for 99 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: American Progress, which is very well respected, not Center for 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: American Progress, center for the American Experiments in Minneapolis. And 101 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: that's Keith Ellison essentially saying I'm going to put heat 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: on state officials who are raising questions about financial irregularities 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: and fraud. 104 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: Your reaction, now, there's one of many examples that were 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: now aware of where state government officials look the other 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: way ducked or worse yet, knowingly didn't go after allegations 107 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: or concerns of product. Give you a couple other quick 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 4: quick ones. Yeah, So there was an investigation of a 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 4: childcare center in twenty eighteen and our Bureau Criminal Apprehension 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 4: was investigating it, and they didn't bring charges, according to 111 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 4: the investigator, in part because a state bureaucrat failed and 112 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: refused to cooperate, saying they didn't want to quote unquote 113 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: enable or be a tool of law enforcement. Now what 114 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: state bureaucrat gets away with that would it'd be accountable, 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: you know, not cooperating with the fraud investigation. And then 116 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 4: of course we have auditors saying when they brought the 117 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: message to the Walls administration about their concerns about financial controls, 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 4: they felt the Walls administration had a quote unquote shoot 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: the messenger mentality about auditors bringing them news about these concerns. 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: And the list goes on and off. So you it 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: is a mountain of growing evidence that the state government 122 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: failed and failed miserably and maybe affirmatively. 123 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: So well, and to the point I believe it's the 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: FBI was even flagging. We've seen in these state audits. 125 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: The FBI was flagging this feeding program as early as 126 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: I think twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, saying we're getting reports 127 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: that they're asking for kickbacks from vendors, and those reports 128 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: were ignored, and then obviously the program greved to be 129 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: the fraudulent mountain that it was. Is this because of 130 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 3: like the Somali population or is it more that, hey, 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: we have these people and we're going to let these 132 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: this be. As you noted, it's a voting block, and 133 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: so I guess, like, is it about we're going to 134 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: give them money and then they're going to vote for us? 135 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 3: And does that happen organically or to Peter's point, does 136 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: somebody design this system. 137 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: Well, we'll know more about the particular details as these 138 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: various investigations federal and state and now numerous ones unfold, 139 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: but I think there's enough to be able to say 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: they definitely look the other way, ducked Winslow or didn't 141 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: pursue claims in part because of the constituency involved politically, 142 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: and maybe in terms of, you know, the power that 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: that group had, either as a voting block or donors 144 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 4: or whatever. We'll know more about that soon enough, but 145 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: The other question is what kind of culture do you 146 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: have in state government where you'd have this go on 147 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: this long and be ignored for this long when there 148 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: was signals being raised, credible signals being raised by lots 149 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: of people, whistleblowers, auditors, other people, And so there's a 150 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: lot of important questions to be answered, and the answers 151 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: I don't think are going to be very favorable for well, 152 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: I know they're not going to be favorable for this administration. 153 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: Well, we're talking to former Minnesota Governor Tim Plenty about 154 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: the ongoing crisis in Minnesota. I'm sure it's going to 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: spread to California and to other states, probably some red 156 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: states too. In a sense, I guess my question for 157 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: you is, looking at this in terms of Minnesota, what's 158 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: the scope here? I mean, we've had the feeding program. 159 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: There are now questions being raised about some of the 160 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: senior assisted living programs. You now have one in five 161 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: autism centers in the state are currently under investigation for 162 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: alleged fraudulent activity. People who run these centers, by the way, 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: don't need to be licensed. It seems to me that 164 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 2: Minnesota very generously says we want to help people, and 165 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: you have people that are profiting out off of exploiting it. 166 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: How convinced are you that we're actually going to see 167 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: people go to jail? And how convinced are you that 168 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: we're actually going to see there's going to be a 169 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: political consequence for this. Do the people in Minnesota even 170 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 2: care in your mind about this widespread fraud? 171 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 4: Yeah? Two things. One is the US Attorney's Office, of course, 172 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: headed by an appointee by President Trump, is going after 173 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: this hard. So we're going to They've already indicted about 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 4: ninety people or charged about ninety people and more to come. 175 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: And that prosecutor, by the way, said his estimate of 176 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: how much fraud this is what they know so far 177 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: is nine billion dollars, which I believe would make it 178 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 4: the largest fraud or theft of public funds in American history. 179 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 4: And the programs you mentioned and others including medicaid are 180 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 4: going to be involved. And we're just getting started. Federal 181 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: agencies are just getting started looking into this. So the 182 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: scope is huge, the amount is huge, and the fact 183 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 4: that they my state government was as negligent and incompetent 184 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 4: or worse in the circumstances is infuriating. 185 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: What do you say to people who now want to 186 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: look at other systems in Minnesota and raise questions about 187 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: the integrity there with the voting system. Harmeiet Dillon, who's 188 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: with obviously the Attorney General's office, is now writing a 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: letter to the Secretary of State Steve Simon and asking 190 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: for records relating to same day voter registration. And this 191 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: is a letter that I believe she sent today. So 192 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: you obviously have one statewide office in Minnesota. Minnesota's had 193 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: a very unique practice of known as vouching. They've had 194 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 3: some unique laws related to election integrity. What do you 195 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: think about I mean, if it can happen to welfare programs, 196 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: is it fair to raise questions about how secure the 197 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: voting has been in Minnesota as well? 198 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: Yes, and there have been some isolated examples of voter 199 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 4: fraud in Minnesota, you know, not at scale. But there's 200 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 4: also a tussle going on between Secretary of State Steve 201 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: Simon and the federal government, the Trump administration, over releasing 202 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 4: data that would reveal more about potential fraud in Minnesota, 203 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 4: and the fact that Minnesota won't release that data is 204 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 4: concerning and maybe suspicious. But beyond that, you know, one 205 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 4: of the hallmarks of preventing fraud is you got to 206 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: check and that you know, you have to can't check 207 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: everything every day, everywhere, but you have to check enough 208 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 4: to be able to detect early whether you've got a 209 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: potential fraud problem. And we do not check nearly enough 210 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 4: in our voting system in Minnesota, and I think more 211 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: scrutiny in that area is definitely well deserved. 212 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: Well, we've been talking to a former governor of Minnesota, 213 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: Tim Plenty, about the situation in that state. I'm going 214 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: to ask you, I guess a final question, and this 215 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: is where I get a little bit concerned and skeptical. 216 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: There was a case recently in Minnesota of a Somali 217 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: gentleman who was operating a fraudulent I think it was 218 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: daycare center, was convicted. It was three and a half 219 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: four million dollars. A jury unanimously said this guy's guilty, 220 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: go to jail. The judge took the unusual step of 221 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: reversing that and say, no, he's free to go. And 222 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: in her explanation, I'm trying to remember the judge's name. 223 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: In her explanation, Governor, she said, well, we have to 224 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: consider cultural factors which to me is highly insulting because 225 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: she's basically saying, if you're from Somalia, you really don't 226 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: know what fraud is. Is that a concern of yours 227 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: that people are going to make excuses and you're going 228 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: to have judges or people in state government figure out 229 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: ways to get some people off the hook under the 230 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: guise that this is like a cultural misunderstanding. 231 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm familiar with that ruling, and I think 232 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 4: it's ridiculous and preposterous. You know, we shouldn't stigmatize people 233 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 4: because they're in a particular group, but we also should 234 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 4: excuse illegal or inappropriate behavior because somebody's in that group. 235 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: And her application of the law in this regard, I 236 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: think is I just don't understand it. It's very frustrating 237 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: and hopefully you know that will not be the pattern 238 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: with these cases as the rest of them get sentenced. 239 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: But we also don't have a lot of data to 240 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: suggest it won't be. I mean, that's the problem to 241 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: your point it You know, people don't want to check, 242 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: but the more they check, the more they find. And 243 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: I will say, to the Trump administration's credit, they're checking more, 244 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 3: and so I think as a result they're finding more. 245 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 3: Governor Paulenti, you're great to join us. You're the last 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: Republican to win state wide election. We could talk about, 247 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: you know, Minnesota is a case study for I think 248 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: the problems potentially we're facing as a country when you 249 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: only have one party rule in these areas like Minnesota, 250 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: Lake California. But we appreciate your time today and wish 251 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 3: you the best of luck as you continue to try 252 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: to hold your home state accountable in ways that it 253 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: has not been for some time. So thank you for 254 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 3: joining us today. 255 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 4: My pleasure, thanks for having me. 256 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: So I think that there's you know, just as a 257 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: final note on that, the person who was in charge 258 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: of the Democrat Party for fifteen years, Ken Martin, is 259 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: now the head of the Democrat Party for the country. 260 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: And whatever systems they allowed and they groomed in place, 261 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's a stretch. You'd be like, hey, 262 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: are they trying to replicate this on a national level. 263 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: It's a very important story we're going to continue to follow. 264 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 3: He's Peter Schweiz or America Eggers. We're filling in for 265 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Sean Handy here on The Sean Handy Show. We'd love 266 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: to talk to you. 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Now, if they wanted to check 294 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: a daycare in Minnesota, we'd run into some problems because 295 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: is this person who runs a daycare, Smally Daycare in 296 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: Minnesota just told us they've had a little bit of 297 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: a break in problem. 298 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 8: Unfortunately, we saw that there was important documentation enrollment of 299 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 8: the children and also employee documentation that was gone. There 300 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 8: were also checkbooks are rifts from our checkpapers that are 301 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 8: from our. 302 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 9: Book so you hear. 303 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: So, if they did want to check, and they wanted 304 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 3: to look for like payroll records or like any evidence 305 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: that what you say you do here is actually taking 306 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: care of children, apparently due to vandals or thieves, that 307 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: information is now gone. 308 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: And not backed up. Apparently, right, it's not in the 309 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: cloud and they don't have these records anywhere. Yeah, I 310 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: mean this is this is the problem. If you and 311 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: I tried that with the i r S. Yeah I 312 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: took those deductions, Yeah those were legitimate expenses, but I 313 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: can't find my records. I RS is gonna say too bad, 314 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: you owe us the money. And I think we need 315 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: to apply the same standard here. If you can't prove 316 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: that you were actually servicing kids in a daycare center 317 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: with these taxpayer dollars, that's fraud and you're going to jail. 318 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 9: But what if the records were stolen? 319 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: Peter, don't you realize how valuable some Mollie daycare records 320 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: are on the street value. Forget that blue diamond stuff, 321 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: but you got them some Mollids. 322 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 9: I mean, it's insane. 323 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: And the problem is when you've been accused of lying 324 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: and stealing, it's gonna be tough to take care award 325 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: for it. It's just a crazy story that just gets 326 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: it crazier. And it's been crazy in the news for 327 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: the last seven months. I can't believe we're still talking 328 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: about it. We'll talk about it plus the mother insane 329 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: stories and we get back from this break. He's Peter Schwisch, 330 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: Americ Eggers. 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And with the money that the big 348 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 7: wireless guys throw around on advertising, you are inundated with 349 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 7: offers everywhere you look. Go for everyone in the Pure 350 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 7: Talk family. Thank you for your trust and God bless America. 351 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 7: Breaking news all afternoon when you get off work, be 352 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 7: sure to check in first for everything you miss during 353 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 7: the day. 354 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 9: This is the Sean Hannity Show. 355 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: Peter Schweitzer, Eric Edgars. 356 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: We are filling in for Sean on this January the second, 357 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Hard to say that twenty twenty six. 358 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: We got here already. 359 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: We started the show by talking about some of the 360 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: radical predictions people had made about twenty twenty five, how 361 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: things were not as terrible as people thought they were. 362 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: It was actually a pretty good year looking ahead to 363 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: twenty twenty Usually people make kind of New Year's resolutions. 364 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: Have you made any? 365 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: I know A common one is people want to get healthier. 366 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: They want to get more fit. You're you're a pretty 367 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: fit guy already, but you know, eating healthier, being healthier. 368 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: First, let me just say thank you for noticing. That 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 3: means a lot, because I do try. What I'm what 370 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: I predict and what I am optimistic about is the 371 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: fact that I think that as a country, we're gonna 372 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 3: get healthier, and we're. 373 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 9: Gonna get healthier in a way. 374 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 3: You know, we we elected Donald Trump, he appointed RFK Junior, 375 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 3: And it's funny we had this whole like make America 376 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 3: Healthy Again thing and I do think that there there 377 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: are some health trends that are largely positive people. 378 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 9: Fewer people seem to be drinking. 379 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: There's a lot of like you know, dry January is 380 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: the thing, and just more and more people I think 381 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: are just choosing different lifestyles. But as a country, we 382 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: have made an interesting decision, something that you and I 383 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure we ever thought this would happen. Yeah, 384 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: because I remember a long time ago, you and I 385 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: did a TV spe on the Shohn Handy television show, 386 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 3: and it was about it was called profits from Poverty. 387 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: It was about how much money the welfare system, how 388 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 3: much money people make off of food stamps and including 389 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 3: by the way, at the time, like JP Morgan was 390 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 3: making money off of the EBT cards swiped. I mean, 391 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: it's crazy how much money it is. But one of 392 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: the things we tried to do is we were talking 393 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: about we wanted to have a soda lobbyist on to 394 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: talk about the fact, like SODA's big business in for 395 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: EBT and I think we've done a podcast on this. 396 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 3: It's something like two percent of Coca Cola's global earnings 397 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 3: would go down if people could stop buying soda with 398 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: their EBT or with their food stamps. Well, a number 399 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 3: of states as of yesterday have taken that step amazing, 400 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: So in Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, and West Virginia, you 401 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: can no longer buy soda or junk food with your 402 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: food stamps. Indiana, you're happy because they're your college football 403 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 3: team's doing amazing. If you're a poor person, you're like soda, 404 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: you're less happy. 405 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 406 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: Well, and look, if you want to pay for it yourself, 407 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: you're welcome to the question is should taxpayer dollars in 408 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: a nutrition program be actually used to buy soft drinks 409 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: or pork rinds or whatever, And the answer is no. 410 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: The answer is clearly no. 411 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 3: You remember the n and SNAP stations for nutrition. Thirteen 412 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: more states are adding to this list by the fall, 413 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: by the way. 414 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah no, which is amazing. And look, there have been 415 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: studies that have compared the EBT, which is the sort 416 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: of food stamp program, with the WICK program, which is 417 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: a separate public assistance program for women and children. The 418 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: WICK has always banned using money for junk food or 419 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: SODA's or things like that. EBT is not, and studies 420 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: show that there's a massive difference in the obesity rates 421 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: that people that are on EBT have much higher obesity 422 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 2: problems than they do in Wick, and I think one 423 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: of the reasons is you've got money that you can 424 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: use to buy this stuff. And as you pointed out, 425 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: for years, the big companies, the big snack food companies, 426 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: the big software in companies fought this reform. Their argument was, 427 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: in the name of freedom of choice. We're Americans, right, 428 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: you should be able to choose what you put into 429 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: your body. My answer is, yeah, it kind of is, 430 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: except you're not going to use taxpayer dollars to do it. 431 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: So this is a huge, huge win for America to 432 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: become healthier and stronger. 433 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting discussion because when Mike Bloomberg outlawed 434 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 3: remember big sodas in New York City, and we're like, 435 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: what is this like that that seems an odd choice. 436 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: But there's a difference between saying what you private citizen 437 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 3: with your own money can purchase versus what I, as 438 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: a taxpayer going to subsidize for you, especially if what 439 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: we're subsidizing lends you to be even more of a 440 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: burden because you're gonna have poor health care outcomes and 441 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: everything else. I mean, the number one predictor of poor 442 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: health is income sadly, yeah, and so I mean that. 443 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: And part of the reason why is it just people 444 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 3: the cheap stuff's not great for you. 445 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, cheap stuff's not great for you, and sometimes it's 446 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: not accessible. But again, you shouldn't be using taxpayer dollars 447 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 2: to do this. And by the way, this is going 448 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: to redound to the benefit not only for the individuals 449 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 2: on this program, but it's going to help lower health 450 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: care costs in America because when you have obesity, that's 451 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: what creates all that's creates problems of diabetes, heart problems, etc. 452 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: So this is a win for all the right reasons. 453 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: I think there's going to be people squealing about it, 454 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: saying how terrible it is, it's unfair, but I think 455 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: it's a great choice. Again, it's a nutrition program, and 456 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: we're talking about taxpayer dollars. We're not talking about somebody's 457 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: personal choice with what they choose to do with their 458 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: own money. 459 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: So that's a positive trend, and it's one that we 460 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: didn't think was possible necessarily a decade ago. 461 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 9: When we started looking at this. 462 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: So here's another trend that I also think could be 463 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: quite positive. I don't know how possible it is, but 464 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: in case you don't know, in Australia they're about to 465 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: get not just like physically healthier, but mentally and emotionally 466 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: healthier because what they have done is they have banned 467 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: Peter Schweitzer children under the age of sixteen from using 468 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: social media and the rest of the world is taking notice. 469 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: And now even the New York Times is doing stories 470 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: about people are saying, listen, if Australia can do it, like, 471 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: can we do this too? And so it's interesting to 472 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: see like that. There's every study says social media is 473 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: so bad for the developing brains of children for lots 474 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: of different reasons. And as a father myself, I've noticed 475 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: a week my wife and I it was a long 476 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: discussion and we finally decided to get our our daughter's iPads. 477 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 3: And then I find that on these iPads they're actually 478 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: even getting It's like it's you think it's a video 479 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 3: thing and you set the parental controls for under the 480 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: age of nine, yet there's still things that are basically 481 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: social media on there. And it's crazy and it is 482 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: it's incredibly challenging. So credit to Australia. But of course 483 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: they're not. It's not a done deal. Reddit of all 484 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: companies is suing them to say no. We think the 485 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 3: teenagers they need the social media right, right, right, they 486 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 3: need they need to read Reddit. It's like a soda 487 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: company suing these states like no, oh, poor people need us. 488 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 2: No, that's that's that's a great analogy. And look this one. 489 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: To me, I'm a little bit more conflicted on so 490 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: in Australia. I'm wondering if a parent says I'm fine 491 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: with my thirteen year old, is can can a parental approval? 492 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: Can a thirteen year old do it? Or is it 493 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: an outright ban? It doesn't matter. 494 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 9: I believe it's not right band but you know me. 495 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: But if you're a parent and you want to give 496 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: your kids scotch, like that's also illegal. 497 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: No exactly, or a tattoo, right even if mom and 498 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: dad are okay with the eleven year old getting a tat, No, 499 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: you can't do that. 500 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: I feel like the parents who get their kids tats 501 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: are also the kids parents who give the kids scotch. 502 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assumption and why not sing 503 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: them all? Well? 504 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean the libertarian part of me doesn't 505 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: like the government telling people what to do. But again, 506 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: we were talking about children. Yeah, we're not talking about adults. 507 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: And sometimes you have parents that don't make great choices. 508 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: And by the way, this band, there's a lot of 509 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: parents that like this band because they don't have to 510 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: fight with their kids and say no, no, no, you 511 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: can't use it. It's like I can't do anything about it. Son, Sorry, 512 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: I wish you could watch those programs or do those 513 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: things online, but you can't because the government says so. 514 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: So it kind of helps parents out as well. Tell me, 515 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: how is it going with you? And you've got such 516 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: sweet children, and and and Katie your wife. You guys 517 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: are you know, working on this stuff together and you 518 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: know kind of have the same views right on iPad 519 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: usage and all of that. So how's it going, How 520 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: how they've had it since Christmas? How's it going? 521 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: Poorly? Incredibly poorly? How I instantly regret this decision. No, 522 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: I mean just to say, I mean it's a real fight. 523 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: And there's a whole like wait till eight So a 524 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 3: lot of parents are trying to wait till eighth grade 525 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: to get their kids a phone or social media device 526 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: because it is it just it's insane. 527 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 9: But I did. 528 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: We we've been talking about having a contract for our 529 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: children to have to sign. Good idea, So like, here 530 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: are the rules you'll have to use to before you 531 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: can use his iPad, and even just the drafts of 532 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: the contract, which my wife ironically you chat GBT to 533 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: produce it. But then so we're talking about, hey, we'll 534 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: have these contracts, and I come home and I see 535 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: that my daughter has written this thing out. 536 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: While revised the contract. 537 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: She is eleven, and she has said, I hereby declare 538 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 3: that Ashland Smith Eggers does not have to sign any 539 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: form of a contract whatsoever. She does not have to 540 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 3: sign the new iPad contract that's being printed. You bought 541 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: the iPad. Now it's ours. 542 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, I love this. You've got this 543 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: right here in the studio. It's got nice yellow letters 544 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: iPad contract. 545 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: I just think it speaks to like how much it 546 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 3: takes hold in their brains and their hearts. 547 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 9: I mean, it's a real thing. 548 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: It's like crack. It's like a crack addiction. I mean 549 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: you and look, it's all about dopamines. I mean, there 550 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: are all these studies have been done that shows like 551 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: when they pick a certain color, you know, for their 552 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: logo or certain color to frame something, they've done a 553 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: lot of research on the one that is most likely 554 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: to draw you in. And so that's great. So where 555 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: where are the contracting negotiations right now? 556 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 557 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: I mean I think it's bedtime when I get home, 558 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: I think is what I will say this to your 559 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: point about like, and this is not just for children's 560 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: for adults too, and we're talking about New Yar's resolutions. 561 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: I think we just have to continue to be wiser. 562 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: You know. In addition to the food stamp documentary we produce, 563 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: we also did a documentary on Google and Facebook and technology. 564 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: It's called The Creepy Line. You can see it on Amazon. 565 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: But we you know, in that thing, you talk about 566 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: how there's always a gap between when a technology is 567 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: introduced and when regulations develop about the safe use of 568 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: that technology, right, and you know, we are now what 569 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: thirty years into the internet basically, yeah, and it we're 570 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: still kind of figuring out how and why is the 571 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: best way to use it? And these technology companies are 572 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: making so much money they don't want any restrictions whatsoever. Right, 573 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 3: But it's true that, Like, I mean, I give you 574 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: so much credit. You use the gray scale on your phone, 575 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: which I can't do because it makes my phone less fun. 576 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: But you're so good at it. 577 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. Yeah, the grayscale. The theory is 578 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: is the colors are part of the addiction, right in 579 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: sense of drawing you back in, So you can go 580 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: in your iPhone put it on gray scale, so everything's 581 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: black and white. Now, if somebody sends you a really 582 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: cool colorful picture about flowers, you're kind of out of luck. 583 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, there are tricks that you can employ. But 584 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: to your point, I mean, you think about I'm old 585 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: enough to remember when the Internet first sort of really 586 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties started to emerge. The promise was, 587 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: this is going to be so educational. 588 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: People are gonna learn. 589 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: Languages, they're gonna learn about art history, they're gonna learn 590 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: about the French Revolution, they're gonna learn about all these 591 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: different cultures. 592 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: Look online. 593 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah that stuff is there, but the biggest stuff is 594 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: basically garbage. 595 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: But here's the point. Here's where do they use the 596 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 3: internet to learn about those things? And you wrote about 597 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: this in one of your most recent bestsellers. They do 598 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: it in China. 599 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: Because they restrict a lot of the stuff like TikTok 600 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: China Chinese company own TikTok. It's in the United States, 601 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: the local version, which is called something Different. They strip out. 602 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: There's no blue haired ladies screaming and dancing. There's no 603 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: you know, strange challenges. It's all science and history and culture, 604 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: of course through the eyes of the CCP. So look, 605 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: there's a balance there. But I agree with you. I 606 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: think we have experimented. My kids are older than are 607 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: in our twenties. They were kind of the experimental generation. 608 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: And I feel bad because our children were they were 609 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: given access to iPhones. Everybody thought everything was fine, and 610 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: then all these problems started to emerge, you know, the 611 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: terrible things about stalking and about you know, the sexual blackmail, 612 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: you know, pictures and all that kind of stuff. I 613 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: think it's high time that we realize the power, the potency, 614 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: and the damage that this stuff can do. So I 615 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: want to applaud you and your wife for doing this contract. 616 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: It's very easy to just tune out and say just 617 00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: take the iPad. 618 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: They'll be happy, it'll be more peaceful at home. 619 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: But to to say okay, we're gonna expose you to 620 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: this technology, but it's gonna be restricted and it's going 621 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: to be controlled by us. You're gonna have some arguments 622 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: on your hands, but I'm glad you're doing well. 623 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 3: I would just say I think that's the conversation that 624 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: is a country that we need to continue to be 625 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: willing to have. And just the example about technology and governance, 626 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: like seventy years before cars were introduced and we started 627 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: requiring or even allowing seat belt right right, I mean, 628 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: you know, and so just and I think we're still 629 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: very much into what does a seat belt look like? 630 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: For all the technology that we have access to as 631 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: a society, and the problem is that the companies make so 632 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: much money off of not allowing any of that stuff. 633 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: And so credit to Australia. You know, if states can 634 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 3: ban soda off of welfare programs and countries can ban 635 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: social media for teenagers, it just shows you that's a 636 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 3: conversation we need to continue to have. And so we 637 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: appreciate the opportunity to talk to you on this program 638 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: about like where I think we still need to go 639 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: as a possible New Years resolution. So we'll finish up 640 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 3: the program here he's Peter Schweizer, our americ Eggers. If 641 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: you've enjoyed what you've heard today, you can listen to 642 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: more of it at our post podcast website, The Drilldown 643 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: dot com. 644 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 9: We right back after this. 645 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: To Sean Hannity's show. 646 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: This has been Peter Schweizer and Eric Eggers. We've been 647 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: filling in for Sewan. We appreciate you taking the time 648 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: to listen to us. Last question for you, mister Eggers, 649 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: I want either a prediction about twenty twenty six or 650 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: I want a resolution on your part for the year ahead. 651 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 652 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: I think a prediction is and you heard Tim Paul 653 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: Lent he address it briefly. But I think with Harmeat 654 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: Dylan asking for voting records in Minnesota and the way 655 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: they're going after, I think fraud and just like looking, 656 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 3: they're just looking for things. I think you're going to 657 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: see real improvements in election integrity in this country. You know, 658 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: I wrote a book about election integrity that came out 659 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. I think the Trump administration is refreshing 660 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 3: in actually taking it seriously. And I think that if 661 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: these welfare programs can be exploited, so too can the elections. 662 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 9: There. 663 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 3: It's a very topic that means a lot to them, 664 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: and I think you'll see them take meaningful action on 665 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: that this show. 666 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were told there's very little fraud and social 667 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: welfare programs, and there's very little voter fraud. We found 668 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: it in social welfare programs, probably going to find it 669 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: in voter fraud as well well. This has been great, Eric, 670 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: I always appreciate the opportunity to do this with you. 671 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm not a professional of this, You've done this in 672 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: your career. We're so thankful for Sean and for producer 673 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: Linda for allowing us to have access to these microphones. 674 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: Jason and Katie who are on Team Hannity up in 675 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 2: New York, thank you again for all of your guidance 676 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 2: and grant Brent and Lucas who've helped us here locally. 677 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: We appreciate that as well. And I'm very optimistic about 678 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I think the economy is going to 679 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: do a lot of great things. I think people's lives 680 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: are going to improve, and I am very optimistic about 681 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: the year ahead. 682 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: I'm optimistic too, Vian excited about your book, which you'll 683 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: come out in twenty twenty six. I think it'll do 684 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: a lot of good things, and so just again echo 685 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: your statements. Excited to the opportunity to host this show, 686 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: excited to talk to you America. Sean Handy, we back 687 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 3: on this show on Monday. Until then, have a great 688 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: weekend