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Speaker 1: From School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. This is Cold

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Speaker 1: Case Files Miami. I'm your host Andrique Santos. Hello, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Cold Case Files Miami. Behind the Prosecution. So part

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Speaker 1: of our goal on this show is to have open

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Speaker 1: conversations with professionals about what law enforcement or first responders

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Speaker 1: deal with behind the scenes. Today, I'm speaking with State

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Speaker 1: Attorney Kathy for Netta Rundel. It's an am you may

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Speaker 1: have heard mentioned a few times on this show. Kathy

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Speaker 1: has been Miami Dade County State Attorney for more than

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Speaker 1: thirty years, since nineteen ninety three. She is the first

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Speaker 1: ever Cuban American state attorney in the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: As the county's top law enforcement officer, Kathy's work balances

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Speaker 1: crime prosecution with crime prevention, as she said during her

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Speaker 1: accessful twenty twenty four re election campaign. Under her tenure,

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Speaker 1: she has conceived of, designed, supported, and implemented a number

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Speaker 1: of smart justice programs that allow us to improve public

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Speaker 1: safety and support our community in a thoughtful, strategic, and

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Speaker 1: effective manner. This includes various gun violence initiatives, second chance programs,

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Speaker 1: and diversionary programs for nonviolent first time offenders. Today, though,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Kathy specifically about cold cases, because,

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Speaker 1: as we know, an arrest is only the first step

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Speaker 1: in bringing justice to a family and the community. I

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Speaker 1: think her insight on how her office works to prosecute

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Speaker 1: cold cases will be particularly insightful. Kathy, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Oh Henrick Kunk. You know, it's just such a pleasure

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Speaker 2: and an honor for me to be with you and

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Speaker 2: talk to you about especially these kinds of issues. But

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Speaker 2: you're one of my favorite journalists because you're just you're

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Speaker 2: so interested in important topics that impact our community unity.

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Speaker 2: You always have a way of being able to liquefy

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Speaker 2: the issue into something that's understandable and relevant and important.

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Speaker 2: And you're just one of the best people I know,

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Speaker 2: and apart from being one of the best professionals. So

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me today.

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Speaker 1: Now to start things off, can you define what the

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Speaker 1: state attorney's office does exactly?

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Speaker 2: So let's look at it this way. So let's just

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Speaker 2: take Day County. So state attorneys and district attorneys around

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Speaker 2: the country are generally one and the same. There's some exceptions.

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Speaker 2: They call them attorney generals in some places, but district

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Speaker 2: attorneys and state attorneys, and what their role is is

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Speaker 2: they're the entity made up mostly of lawyers whose job

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Speaker 2: it is is to look at what evidence exists and

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Speaker 2: determine what are the appropriate charges, if any. So let's

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Speaker 2: take Miami Daye County. There are thirty five police departments.

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Speaker 2: They're a variety by the federal, state and local agents.

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Speaker 2: So all of those cases at the local level misdemeanors, felonies,

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Speaker 2: so that's you know, murders, burglary, stealing cars, breaking into

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Speaker 2: It comes to this office. We are the onlyest prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: local prosecutor for all of those local crimes. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing is that we do so sometimes liking cold cases,

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Speaker 2: police think they have enough or they want to have

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Speaker 2: enough to make an arrest. So someone breaks into your home,

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Speaker 2: somebody calls nine one one, police arrive on the scene,

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Speaker 2: and they catch the burg That's not difficult, right, They

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Speaker 2: have the authority to make a decision. The victim says, yes,

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Speaker 2: that's him. This is what he said. He has no

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Speaker 2: right to be in my home. He used a gun,

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Speaker 2: he came into my house. I want Tom arrest it.

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Speaker 2: That's sufficient because the officers see the person, they have

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Speaker 2: a I witness the persons on the location, they make

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Speaker 2: the arrest. Okay, then we have to determine prosecution. Is

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Speaker 2: an armburglery is there an armed assault attached to it?

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Speaker 2: So there's all those things that we would look at.

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Speaker 1: Kathy, I'm curious what first got you interested in this work.

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Speaker 2: The short version is, I always love being a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: I used to watch all those TV shows with my dad.

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Speaker 2: My dad was a lawyer, and I watched everything. I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't even tell you, like Perry Mason and I should

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Speaker 2: say Law and Order, and I do do those. I

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Speaker 2: That so fast forward when I ended up going to

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Speaker 2: in criminology and in the law. And my orientation at

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Speaker 2: that time was very international, and so you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: and learning about human rights violations that occur in so

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Speaker 2: I told my father and this is what my plan

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Speaker 2: is this this year? Crazy? Well, you kind you cannot

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you going to do this summer?

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Speaker 2: You know, daddy, I've been studying since I was three

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Speaker 2: years old. Can I just relax? He said, well, I

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Speaker 2: do a little internship program there. I said, all right,

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Speaker 2: trust your judgment. I believed in everything he said and did.

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Speaker 2: So I went. I went, and I found out it

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Speaker 2: And I realized within a couple of months I was

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Speaker 2: so wrong. That was just completely under It was a

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Speaker 2: myth that that was all that a prosecutor did. I

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Speaker 2: learned that there was there were so many human rights

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Speaker 2: see women that would come in with burns from cigars

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Speaker 2: you know what, I want to do this here. I

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Speaker 2: want to help my own community. And so that's the

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Speaker 2: long version of how I ended up here. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing was I learned and reque some of what

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Speaker 2: you said at the beginning that if you under stand

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Speaker 2: crime in a community, you understand the importance of prevention,

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Speaker 2: prevent punishments. Important, Getting you know, getting the people that

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Speaker 2: that's really only the career of criminal violent criminals. The

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Speaker 2: other part of the population Sometimes are just people that

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Speaker 2: make mistakes right, They have an addiction issue, that have

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Speaker 2: all kinds of things that if you can fix those

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Speaker 2: underlying issues, get them to be constructive, contributing members of

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Speaker 2: the community, you prevent victimization. You prevent recent division, and

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Speaker 2: you can make a very happy person a safe community

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Speaker 2: by dealing with them. And so that's that's been my

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Speaker 2: I guess myself, it's just been such a great uplifting

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Speaker 1: With that said, what would you say is the biggest

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Speaker 2: It comes to play in so many different respects. I

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Speaker 2: to convey to the thousands of young lawyers that have

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Speaker 2: passed through this office over the years is you have

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Speaker 2: to believe in your case. If for any reason you

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Speaker 2: don't believe that it's either the right person or the

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Speaker 2: You could be wrong, but you could be right. So

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Speaker 2: I always tell them go to a supervisor, talk it through.

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Speaker 2: Don't be afraid talk to the police officers. Why did

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Speaker 2: you arrest this per right? There may have been a

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Speaker 2: mistake because the power of a prosecutor, it's not just

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Speaker 2: to convict the guilty, is to protect the innocent. And

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Speaker 2: so if someone is wrongfully accused, if you don't believe

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Speaker 2: that someone's guilty of the crime or the crime that's charged.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a reduced one, maybe it's a higher crime.

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Speaker 2: We want you to follow what you believe is ethically

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Speaker 1: From a prosecutor's perspective, Why do you feel cases go cold?

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Speaker 1: And what are the biggest unique challenges in prosecuting cold cases?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a I know everybody knows the phrase

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Speaker 2: justice delayed is justice denying, and we tend to think

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Speaker 2: of that being on behalf of a defendant or someone

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Speaker 2: that has been bereaeved or an injustice has been done

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Speaker 2: and you're trying to get to this complicated court system,

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Speaker 2: and the longer it takes, you just feel like you're

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Speaker 2: not getting justice. And that is true. There's another side

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Speaker 2: When a crime is committed, one of the goals is

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Speaker 2: to get that information as fresh as you can. Who

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Speaker 2: was on the scene, get that information, record that information,

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Speaker 2: Get not only the physical evidence, but get the testimonial

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Speaker 2: is people's witness testimony changes, it gets stale. Maybe there

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Speaker 2: their mind starts to tell them otherwise, or they see

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Speaker 2: a newscast. This actually happened in a cold case we had.

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Speaker 2: It was it was a burglary in an apartment building,

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Speaker 2: the staircase. So these casings, which was what's left after

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Speaker 2: very critical to trying to piece together where was the

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Speaker 2: shooter standing when they discharged their firearm, things like that. Well,

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Speaker 2: what had happened was in this case, so many people

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Speaker 2: they were watching TV and the newscasts were saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: they were intending on creating falsities. They didn't think they

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Speaker 1: Is that is that considered a witness if someone sees

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Speaker 2: Well, so if they heard something and you're trying to

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Speaker 2: use them, So was it a male voice? Was a

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Speaker 2: female voice? How far soon after the shooting did it happen?

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Speaker 2: What were the words they said? If you're just listening,

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Speaker 2: Let's say you're a neighbor, right, and you hear that,

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Speaker 2: you don't actually see much, you're not necessary an eyewitness,

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Speaker 2: but you're a witness. But then if someone is piecing

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Speaker 2: people in the apartment building, then they're starting to they're

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Speaker 2: starting to create their own impression of what happened. And

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Speaker 2: so it's not bad. Sometimes that's all we got, right,

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Speaker 2: That's what we have to live with. But the point

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Speaker 2: of that is the longer it takes to prove your case,

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Speaker 2: the more likely it is that's what that you may

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Speaker 2: not prove that case. It's the same thing when they

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Speaker 2: have children go missing, they say, if you don't get

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Speaker 2: them within forty eight seventy two hours, same kind of

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Speaker 2: concept everything goes cold, and that's exactly what.

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Speaker 1: It means talking about that. Knowing the timing is so

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Speaker 1: important in these investigations. Can you walk us through how

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Speaker 1: revisiting cold cases.

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Speaker 2: So two things. For police departments, it's really important that

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm here with Kathy Fernandez Rundle, State Attorney

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Speaker 1: of Miami Dade County. Kathy, something that comes up a

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Speaker 1: Is evidence more important? Do you need to know both?

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Speaker 2: And that is a super question because there's really two

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Speaker 2: no motive. The state didn't prove motive. No motive is

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Speaker 2: So there's an affirmative instruction that's legally. We're all human beings, right,

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Speaker 2: so we all want to know why what was the benefit?

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Speaker 2: Was it vindictive? Was it motivated by money? I mean

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Speaker 2: And it was just it was a fluke that there

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Speaker 2: was a what do you call it? Tire harm and

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Speaker 2: thank you. We found that in a trunk one day

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Speaker 2: And it was a lot because of motive. We didn't

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Speaker 1: Let's say you don't have the tire iron right, what

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Speaker 1: Is one kind of evidence better than another?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes cases are cold because of a lack of eyewitnesses

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's witness tampering, and sometimes you know, there's active

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Speaker 2: First of all, I understand that terror There are people

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Speaker 2: But next time it could be you. It could be you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for standing up for those that can't. And

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Speaker 1: this makes me think and I'm curious, and I want

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Speaker 1: to know, Kathy, what drives your passion for pursuing justice,

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Speaker 2: I just can't. I can't. It's so hard to express

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Speaker 2: I have no answers, and that motivates and it's not

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Speaker 2: The other thing is sometimes they go through so much pain.

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Speaker 2: that's inspiration, right and so and then when you see

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Speaker 2: they're not going to do this to anybody else. And

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Speaker 2: the judge says, you're going to prison for life, so

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Speaker 2: We cry with they're just tears of relief and a

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Speaker 1: So that's closure for the family, but it's also closure

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Speaker 2: Absolutely Sometimes these lawyers go out on seats at three

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Speaker 2: They do it because they want to do it. They

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Speaker 1: With that said, and going back to the Bates case

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Speaker 2: You know, I will say this. We always seek the truth.

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Speaker 1: Kathy, thank you so very much for speaking with me today.

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Speaker 1: This is a topic that clearly means so much to

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Speaker 1: kind of work thirty years in Miami Dade County. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for what you do for our community and for victims,

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Speaker 1: and for making our lives better. Hear your perspective on

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Speaker 1: this has been truly enlightening. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have to thank you and Rique. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know that's not what you were fishing for, but

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Speaker 2: voice is only as good as the power that you

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Speaker 2: to truth, and you have been a fighter for public

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Speaker 2: You continue to do it. You continue to inspire countless

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Speaker 2: that you're modeling for and you do that for me too,

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Speaker 2: So thank you, Enrique. You take care of yourself then

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Speaker 2: stay strong as you always have been.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And you, you know, thinking out

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Speaker 1: the heart that I graduated the police academy basically when

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Speaker 2: Well I loved you up until that point. We don't

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Speaker 1: And on the X on the next episode, how old

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Speaker 1: I love you too, thank you, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Files Miami is a production of Iheart's Michael

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Speaker 1: Duda Podcast Network and School of Humans. I'm your host

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