1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Wrong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Contact, 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 15 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron and say we're 16 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Arizona State Director of Moufon 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 4: Stacy Wright. Stacy's both the state director for Arizona Moufon 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: and also the director of Phoenix Moufon. She's a certified 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 4: field investigator and Star Team member, and she's been with 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: Muffon for over seventeen years now, so she knows what 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: she's talking about. She built that Phoenix chapter of Moufon 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 4: from the ground up, and it has now become one 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 4: of Muffon's most successful chapters, including receiving the very first 24 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 4: International Chapter of the Year award back in twenty seventeen. Hey, Stacy, 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: always nice to see you. How you doing, Thanks? 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 5: Ron, I'm doing great, Nice to see you too. 27 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 4: All right, So let's take a look at your situation here. 28 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 4: So you're in a perfect city in state to be 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: interested in this topic because there's so many good cases 30 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: that had come out of Arizona and even specifically Phoenix. 31 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: So being the chapter director of both the state and 32 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 4: the city, we cannot not start with the Phoenix Lights. 33 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: So I realized that occurred a decade before you became 34 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: involved with MUFAN. But I'm sure you know a lot 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: about that case. Can you share with us some of 36 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 4: what you do know about that case and how it's 37 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: evolved over the years. 38 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I can. It was March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 5: and there was a very large boomerang craft that traversed 40 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: the state from corner to corner and went over into 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 5: the border of Mexico and it was witnessed by it 42 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: seems like tens of thousands of people. There were one 43 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 5: thousand or so nine to one one calls that came 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: in on the event, and you know, it was just 45 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 5: something so incredible. We didn't have a lot of cell 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 5: phones back then, so there's no a lot of footage, 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 5: there's not a lot of photos, really hardly anything at all, 48 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 5: but it affected just a numerous people. It just rocked 49 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 5: their world, the people that saw this, and it seemed 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 5: like there was different crafts that were appearing across the 51 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 5: state during the day, so really as much as seven 52 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 5: or eight different craft had appeared to people at different times. So, 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: you know, it's just an incredible thing that people saw 54 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: these lights that they were seeing. And then you know, 55 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 5: some people saw the giant boomerang shape, and there were 56 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 5: different accounts of that. Some people were saying that they 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: could they could see through this craft, they could see 58 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 5: the stars and back of it. There were others that 59 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 5: said it had a real watery appearance to it. There 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 5: were some that said they saw it so close up 61 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 5: that the underside of it looked like it was textured 62 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 5: or had some kind of an aztecing design to it. 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 5: So there's a lot of varying accounts. You know. It 64 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 5: just it came from the northwest corner of Arizona across 65 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: the state, and it seemed to almost follow the freeway, 66 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: which is really odd. It followed, you know, the major 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 5: highway through the state. So there's people now you know 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 5: that say well, you know, it must have been something 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 5: housed up there at area fifty one. It's that corner 70 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 5: up there, so so yeah, it came from area fifty one. 71 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: So then you have to look at it and say, okay, well, 72 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 5: if it was theirs, and it was something that was 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: housed there at area fifty one, then did it just 74 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 5: get loose, you know, just make its way across the 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 5: state and saw all the pretty lights down there on 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 5: the highway and decided to follow that, you know, through 77 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: the city, and. 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: You think it would avoid a major metropolitan area like Phoenix, 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: you can oh. 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's huge, that seems it's spread out there. 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 5: It's ninety five miles across right now, so we have 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 5: a huge metro area. So then you have to look 83 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 5: at it and say, okay, well, if it was ours 84 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: and it was some super secret thing that was housed 85 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: up there at Area fifty one. If it was so 86 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 5: super secret, why would they then parade this thing right 87 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 5: over the top of this big metro area for all 88 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 5: to see. I mean, that doesn't make any sense either. 89 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 5: And it was something so very large. I mean, this 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 5: one boomerang shaped craft was just huge. It was football 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 5: fields across to people, say, a mile or more across. 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 4: And incredible to think of an object as big as 93 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 4: a mind. 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 5: Flying, especially when you know the people that were reporting 95 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 5: that in said that it was so low and so 96 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 5: slow and zero sound. And the zero sound thing is 97 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 5: what really gets me, because you know, everything that is 98 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 5: man made that you know, we fly or that goes fast, 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 5: we have propulsion sounds that go along with that and 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: their laugh. So I'm not sure in nineteen ninety seven 101 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 5: that we really had the technology to fly something that big, 102 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 5: you know, to make it go that slow, and to 103 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 5: have zero sound. It just seems incredible to think. 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: Of that absolutely, And I thought that there was always 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 4: uh actually, I know there were some sightings during the day, 106 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: but for that evening thing that people what they referred 107 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: to as the Phoenix lights, it seems like there's actually 108 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 4: two separate incidents. Like number one is what we're describing here. 109 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: You're saying, this V shaped boomerang shaped giant up to 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: maybe a mile across, came down from the northwest corner 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 4: diagonally through Arizona and over Phoenix. There's that incident, and 112 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: that's more like seven thirty to eight thirty timeframe. Then 113 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: there's this other thing after ten o'clock. And those are 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 4: a lot of the videos you see of the lights 115 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: just kind of hovering there and people say that those 116 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: could be drone our excuse me, could be flares. 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 5: Right, There were absolutely two separate things. So, yes, the 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 5: sighting that people had witnessed was around eight thirty pm 119 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 5: at night, and then we had something that came in 120 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 5: about ten thirty at night that was a complete cover up, 121 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: I believe. And those were the illumination flares that were 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 5: dropped south of Phoenix here. I think it was the 123 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 5: Air Force that had an Operation Snowbird plan that was 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 5: going on here and they were practicing and they decided 125 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 5: to drop illumination flares to make to just be able 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 5: to tell everyone, oh no, oh oh no, that wasn't 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 5: some you know, spacecraft that you saw it was. We 128 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 5: know what it was. It was just us up there, 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: you know, practicing and stuff. 130 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: But knowing what we know now, I can absolutely imagine 131 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 4: a scenario where they would scramble these things to drop 132 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: the flares, then to cover this up and muddy the 133 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: waters of what people saw, and then they can say, yeah, 134 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: we did drop flares that day. This was at a 135 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 4: time nineteen ninety seven nobody had smartphone jet not every 136 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: single person had a camera in their pocket and right 137 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 4: for social media. So social media was just in its 138 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: infancy at that point. So you could imagine if something 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: like this happened today, it would be photos and videos 140 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: flooding everywhere. People would be running outside checking seeing what's happening. 141 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: It'd be all over the news because they'd have all 142 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: that footage. It'd be a totally different scenario, right it would. 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, we it's hard to trust some 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 5: of the things that are coming out now because it's 145 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 5: so easy to photoshop things with AI, making a showing 146 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 5: with everything. It's it's really hard to believe a lot 147 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 5: of things. But back then, you know, we really didn't 148 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 5: have anything except for very basic stuff, and there really 149 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 5: was no real good footage of this. But when you 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: have tens of thousands of people who were eyewitnesses and 151 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 5: their testimony that counts as evidence. We just have to, 152 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 5: you know, assume that all this testimony is evidence, and 153 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 5: there's a there's a difference between proof and evidence. It's 154 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 5: this isn't proof, but we sure have the evidence for this. 155 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 4: Notice about it. There's a lot of seemingly similar reports. 156 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 4: Even the fact of the way they described, like the 157 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: canned lighting on the wings or the uh, you know, 158 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 4: panels of the craft, the way the orangish amber lights, 159 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: you know, very similar. Are you still getting people talking 160 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: about phoenix lights to this day? I mean it was 161 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: twenty eight years ago. 162 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: We do surprisingly every every year we have maybe two 163 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 5: three people that send in reports to move on here 164 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 5: that say, you know, I was witnessed to that siding 165 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 5: way back then, but I really felt like I couldn't 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 5: or I shouldn't be saying anything about it, And now 167 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 5: that so much time has passed, I really want to 168 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: tell you about it. I'm good to tell you about 169 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 5: that now. So we take the reports in and their 170 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 5: information only, but you know, there might be something, there 171 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 5: might be some piece of that puzzle exactly what we 172 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 5: need to try to piece this together. So of course 173 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 5: we talk to these people, we listen to their stories, 174 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 5: and you know, maybe one day we we'll be able 175 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 5: to discern exactly what that was. But right now it 176 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 5: was just a huge claim to fame for Phoenix here. 177 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 4: I do feel the world has changed, though, and I 178 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: think people are more likely to talk about it today 179 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: than they were even just ten years ago. It feels 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: more comfortable in commonplace, and I don't think it's as 181 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: big a deal, especially something as common as the Phoenix lights. 182 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 4: You know, I could see someone had some obscure sighting 183 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 4: by themselves out in the desert. They might feel apprehensive. 184 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 4: This is something we have tens of thousands of people 185 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: who have already seen the video. You know, Kurt Russell 186 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 4: was the first guy, one of the first people who 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: saw it in a plane. I think it's an easy 188 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: one to cop to, is what I'm suggesting. Stacy. We're 189 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: gonna have to take a quick break right there. When we 190 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: come back, we're going to talk to you more about 191 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: a very famous Arizona case as well, and that of 192 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: Travis Walton. We'll be right back on the coast to 193 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 194 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: We're speaking to Stacy Wright. So Stacy. The next one 195 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: that's very well known in this community, of course, is 196 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: the Travis Walton case that goes back to nineteen seventy five. Granted, 197 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: well before you're stint at move on. But you know, 198 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: We've had the pleasure of having mister Walton at Contact 199 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 4: in the Desert many times, and I've even got to 200 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: do a big event with him at the Observation Deck 201 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: and all day thing that really delved into his case. 202 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 4: And I have to say, as skeptical as I am 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: to a lot of these things, he really truly is 204 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: one of the strongest, most compelling cases that I think 205 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: we have in this community as far as the abduction 206 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 4: aspect goes. What do you think about his case? 207 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I know Travis well, and I've heard his 208 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 5: story numerous times with him speaking, and you know, every 209 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 5: time you hear it, nothing has changed. A lot of 210 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 5: people that speak out there, you hear a little bit 211 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 5: of differences. Things change over time. Travis's story has never changed. 212 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: And he really is an assault of the Earth kind 213 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 5: of guy. He's a great person, very honest when you're 214 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: in his presence, you can just tell that he's a 215 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 5: man of integrity and honesty and there's nothing fake about 216 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 5: his story. He and his fellow loggers, there are seven 217 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 5: of them and the two seats of this big old 218 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: Ford truck driving around up in the hills, and they 219 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 5: saw some lights through the trees, and usually when you 220 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 5: see something like that, automatically you think forest fire. And 221 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 5: these guys were equipped and contracted actually to go out 222 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 5: there and put out any fires that they might see 223 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 5: while they're out logging. So they were equipped with chainsaws 224 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: and shovels and manpower, and that's what you need to 225 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 5: maybe put out a fire when it first starts. So 226 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: they jammed over to where they saw these lights coming 227 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: through the trees, and to their disbelief, it wasn't a 228 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: forest fire, but it was a large hovering circular craft 229 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 5: above the ground, maybe thirty or forty feet above the ground. 230 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 5: So Travis, being who he is, had to jump out 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 5: and get a closer look, which he did. Jumped out 232 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 5: of the cab of the truck, ran over toward the 233 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 5: craft and happened to get a little bit too close, 234 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 5: and I believe under the craft and he was zapped 235 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: with a beam of energy that sent him flying thirty 236 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 5: feet through the air. His friends witnessed this. They saw 237 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 5: him bounce. They thought, oh, surely he's dead and this 238 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 5: thing's freaking them all out. Anyway, they decided to just 239 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: get out of there. He's dead. Let's go go, goo go, 240 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 5: you know. So they got out of there and thought 241 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 5: about it for a second and said, no, we got 242 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 5: to go back. We got we got to see if 243 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: he's still live. Turn this thing around. Let's go back 244 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: and get our buddy. They went back. Both Travis and 245 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 5: the craft were gone. So now what do you do? 246 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 5: You know, they made their way into town, thinking, oh 247 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 5: my god, no one's gonna believe us. What do we do? 248 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 5: They decided to tell the truth. And you know, these 249 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 5: guys are polygraphed numerous times, all of them, and they 250 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 5: all passed. Travis showed up three days later, made his 251 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 5: way to a phone booth right on the outskirts of 252 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 5: town there, called his brother Dwayne, who was one of 253 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 5: the guys in the truck as well, and said come 254 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 5: pick me up. And you know, he had gone through 255 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 5: an ordeal that he was still trying to figure out himself. 256 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 5: He was taken on board, and if you ask Travis 257 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 5: about this today, he doesn't really consider it an abduction. 258 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: Abduction is when you're taken against your will. It didn't 259 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 5: really pan out that way, and he calls it an 260 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 5: ambulance call. 261 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, so his story, he has stuck to all the 262 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: facts of the case and everything that happened and everything, 263 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: you know, in linear fashion, what happened to him. What 264 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: has changed though, which is just after time he has 265 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: some perspective on it, like you're mentioning, He just reflected 266 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 4: back and thinks that, like you said, it was more 267 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: of a not an abduction, but rather a rescue or 268 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: you know, a hospital call like you're saying, and they 269 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 4: were there to help him. He just like his his 270 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: take on what that they were doing with him changed, 271 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean his story changed at all. He's 272 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: been very accurate. And also it's another one of these 273 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: great stories where everybody's other story fits in and matches. 274 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: The brother did get that call, they did check those records, 275 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: All of these things check out. It's really a strong case. 276 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: You know, in nineteen seventy five, we didn't have all 277 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: these things. We didn't have cameras in our pocket. We 278 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: didn't all have cell phones with location services and all that. 279 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: Even if he had an iPhone with them. Now, you know, 280 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: if this happened, it would be amazing to see if 281 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: the iPhone would record that he was up in the 282 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: air maybe you know, he's on that craft or whatever, 283 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: and when the guy's left, you'd have all this documented. 284 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: So I think if we get another one of these 285 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: landmark cases today, it might be different. We have a 286 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 4: lot more, you know, tools for each individual person. 287 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we've got some good tools now where we 288 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 5: might be able to document everything. But you know, you 289 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 5: have to take his word on this, and it's really 290 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 5: easy to do. When you sit and listen to him, 291 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: you know that that's coming from his soul. 292 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 4: He's absolutely a very genuine guy. I have to be 293 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: very honest. I've got the pleasure of getting to know 294 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 4: him a little bit, and I really do compelling. It's 295 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: extremely compelling, and I feel for him to have been 296 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: through this and the stuff he's had to endure over 297 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: the years. You guys have any particular insight into this 298 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 4: case being at move On? Do other people you said 299 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: that they came forward with, for example, the Phoenix Lights 300 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: or other cases has anyone come forward with you know, 301 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 4: I saw those loggers that day or do you get 302 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 4: any other information about this case? 303 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 5: You know, I haven't. I have not heard of any 304 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 5: other witnesses that have come forward. I mean, they know, 305 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 5: people have interviewed the sheriff and the you know people 306 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 5: around there just as some extra information, But I don't 307 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 5: think anyone has come forward on this. It's just an 308 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 5: incredible thing. You know. Travis has you know, been doing 309 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 5: this for well, it'll be fifty years this year. So 310 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 5: we're having a big celebration of his fiftieth anniversary of 311 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 5: this event at Phoenix move On on November eighth. So 312 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 5: we're having a big showing of his film that was 313 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 5: made by Jennifer Stein, and we'll have Travis and Jennifer 314 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 5: both speaking, and then we're hoping to have a big 315 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 5: reception at the courtyard at our venue afterwards. So yeah, 316 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 5: we're trying to, you know, really do this Sep right, 317 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 5: because fifty years of living with this kind of a 318 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 5: trauma basically is a really big deal and needs to 319 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 5: be rewarded with something. 320 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: And I do I do feel that he deserves a 321 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: little bit of recognition and you know, thanks for his 322 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: bravery in enduring what he's endured. You know, again, we 323 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: always think of things from our time frame today. In 324 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy five, it was a different world. This subject 325 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: was way, way differently looked upon, and I think it 326 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 4: was very difficult for him to come forward with this, 327 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: and he took a lot of ridicule. And I don't 328 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: think it's it would be as bad today because people 329 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: seem to have a better or a little bit more 330 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: openness to the subject than they had in nineteen seventy five. 331 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 4: Cer he went through a lot. 332 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 5: It's gone so mainstream now, the whole UFO subject, with 333 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: everything we've been hearing about since really since about twenty seventeen, 334 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 5: when the Pentagon and the Navy came out with all 335 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 5: of their information and footage. Back in seventy five, you 336 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 5: were a nut. You were looney tunes if you were 337 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 5: talking about anything about even seeing a the UFO, much 338 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 5: less being taken up on one. 339 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 4: Do you ever come across other people who have claims 340 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: that are even remotely similar to his? 341 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 5: Nothing quite as big as as Travis's story, No, I mean, 342 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: we do have abduction cases that come in right now 343 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 5: in Arizona. We're working on five abduction cases. Our field 344 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 5: investigators are working on those. Yeah, I mean, stuff still happens. 345 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 5: People are having all kinds of experiences. There's contactees, and 346 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 5: you know, luckily move On has the experience or resource 347 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 5: team which helps people find their way through this. It's 348 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 5: a team made up of psychologists and counselors and people 349 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 5: who can really sit and listen and hear their story 350 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 5: and help them realize they're not alone doing this. They're 351 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 5: not nuts, they're not insane. Things like this are happening 352 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 5: to other people and you can come through this and 353 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 5: come out the other side. So it's a great resource 354 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 5: that we have and move On that they can help 355 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 5: people out like this. 356 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: Do you still feel that Travis's case is still an outlier? 357 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: People oftentimes will point to his cases it's not a 358 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: typical quote unquote abduction or contact experience because he you know, 359 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 4: they think he kind of stumbled across the craft and 360 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 4: this incident happened, where in most cases it's you know, 361 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: in the family, it starts when people are young and 362 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 4: that sort of thing. Is that what you find in 363 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 4: your reports? 364 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like people might be singled out and 365 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 5: it seems like like citing reports even are specific to 366 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 5: certain people. You might be in a group of thirty 367 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 5: or forty people and maybe only you saw that thing 368 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 5: in the sky or whatever was happening right then, and 369 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: no one else did. So I think they are specific 370 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 5: to people a lot of times. So whether that's because 371 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: of a bloodline that's happening or you know, something in 372 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 5: their genetics, I'm not sure, but yeah, we hear a 373 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 5: lot about that. 374 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 4: There's definitely a lineage to it. There's definitely, I mean clearly, 375 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 4: there's case after case that that seems to be the 376 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 4: thing going back generations. Even a lot of guys have 377 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 4: found that it goes back generations. 378 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 5: It does seem to run in families. 379 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, we're going to take a quick break there. 380 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 4: Stacy will be right back. When we come back, we're 381 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 4: going to talk more to Stacy about some of the 382 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 4: other interesting locations and cases from Arizona, including Sedona and 383 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: the Bradshaw Ranch. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the 384 00:20:36,080 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast. Now back 385 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: on Beyond Contact, I'm Captain Ron talking to Stacy Wright 386 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 4: from MUFAN. Stacy Arizona has been the site of so 387 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: many of these famous UFO sightings and alleged encounters. Let's 388 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: talk about another interesting one right there, which is the 389 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: Bradshaw Ranch, which is just west of Sedona, and it 390 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 4: almost feels like it was sort of the Skinwalker Ranch 391 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: before there was a skinwalker ranch, or at least before 392 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: it became famous. You know, you always hear of these 393 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 4: sightings and other strange occurrences happening in this area. What 394 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 4: do you know about the Bradshaw Ranch. 395 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 5: Well, what I know is just what I've read. I 396 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 5: have been out through myself a couple of times, but 397 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 5: I have not had any really strange feelings or seen 398 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 5: anything anomalists out there. But then I haven't spent a 399 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 5: night out there either. It was just daytime visits out there. 400 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: But I have read quite a few things from Tom Dongo, 401 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: who is one of the researchers out there that you know, 402 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 5: came across all kinds of things, and his books are 403 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: great reads if you can get a hold of some 404 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 5: of the that. And you know, people say there's so 405 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 5: much anomalousness going on out there that it is a 406 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 5: type of skinwalker ranch. There have been portals that open 407 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 5: up out there, there's been strange cryptid creatures that have 408 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 5: been spotted out there, and you know, orbs and all 409 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 5: kinds of UFOs and things like that over the years. 410 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 4: What about Sadona itself, That's a city that we often 411 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 4: hear all aspects of spiritual encounters and people claim there's 412 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 4: a vortex and different things there. Do you get a 413 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: lot of UFO stuff calls from that area. 414 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 5: So much stuff from Sedona, and it really does seem 415 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 5: to be a hot spot of sorts, not only for 416 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 5: the tourists that go there for the beauty and the 417 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 5: landscape and the climate and it is really a unique place. 418 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 5: But you know, there seems to be a high level 419 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 5: of magnetics going on in Sedona. And you know, the 420 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 5: rocks there are red for a reason, that's iron leeching 421 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 5: out of the rocks. Iron is very magnetic. The whole 422 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 5: area is very magnetic, and maybe that's what draws these 423 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 5: you know, UFOs to the area. We don't know exactly, 424 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 5: but you know, it can't be totally discounted. But yes, Sedona, 425 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 5: you know, as alongside its beauty, has a lot of 426 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 5: weirdness going on there. I mean, that's the only place 427 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 5: that i've been where I've ever felt like I'm going 428 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 5: to pass out any second because something really strange is 429 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: going on with me. 430 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 4: Are you at elevation? 431 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 5: Uh, you know the elevation there is probably Oh yeah, 432 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 5: it's not very high. I would say thirty five hundred. Okay, 433 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 5: it's not too high there at all. So but there's just, 434 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 5: you know, some something going on there, you know. And 435 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 5: I know the UFO sky tours that they have at night, 436 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 5: there's a really good one run up there by Melinda Leslie. 437 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 5: They see things all the time, all the time, so 438 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 5: you need some good night vision goggles to be able 439 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 5: to really, you know, get these things out of the sky. 440 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 5: There's stuff going on. I can't explain it, but it 441 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 5: is happening for sure. And we do get from Sedona 442 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 5: all the time. They'll be tourists that come in and 443 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 5: they're taking pictures of the beautiful landscape and some of 444 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 5: the creeks and different things around there, and then they 445 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,239 Speaker 5: notice in their picture there's something in there that they 446 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 5: didn't notice when they took the picture. So they send 447 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 5: that in. We have that analyzed by our photo analysis team, 448 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 5: and you know, some of them are simple birds or 449 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 5: flybys of insects or things like that. But there's a 450 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 5: couple other things in there that cannot be explained, and 451 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 5: then those those are true unknowns. So that's what MUKLON does, 452 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 5: is we kind of weed out what is there, what 453 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 5: isn't there? Ninety five percent of everything that we get 454 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 5: in can be explained, but it's that other five percent 455 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 5: that's so interesting because those turn out to be the 456 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 5: true unknowns. 457 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these cases live on in 458 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 4: some ways. Like you said, you're still getting calls about 459 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 4: Phoenix lights that was twenty eight years ago. Do some 460 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 4: of these other cases get calls as well? Do you 461 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 4: get historical calls or do some of the kind of 462 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: fade into oblivion over time. 463 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 5: No, we're still getting calls on everything. I have people 464 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 5: that inquire about the Kingman Crash a couple of times 465 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 5: a year and Bradshaw Ranch as well. So yeah, they're 466 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: still living on. I mean, these stories are so incredible 467 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 5: it's just hard to forget them. 468 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: Well, here's another question for you, and it's not really 469 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: a UFO case per se, although it might be another 470 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: interesting aspect near Phoenix and other parts of Arizona, But 471 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 4: near Phoenix, even you guys have a lot of these petroglyphs, 472 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: and they oftentimes people say, and I've seen some of 473 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 4: the pictures and I've actually been out there. They do 474 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: look like what could be aliens, and they do look 475 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 4: like what could be spaceships. You know, there's circular things, 476 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: there's stars in the sky. Very well, it's hard to 477 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: say what they really meant, but when you look at it, 478 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 4: it's not hard to make the leap that it could 479 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 4: be referring to either UFO craft or saucers of some kind, 480 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: or even alien beings. What do you know about these petroglyphs. 481 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 5: Well, you're right, they are everywhere. I mean, there's a 482 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 5: lot of hiking trails in Arizona, and hiking trails usually 483 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 5: go up, so you're going up to some of these 484 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 5: rock faces and rock cliffs at the tops of these mountains, 485 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 5: and yeah, you look around and you notice that, you know, 486 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: you weren't the first ones there. There's been people, indigenous 487 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 5: people there that have been drawing and you know, making 488 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 5: their own story, writing it down basically on the sides 489 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 5: of these rocks. And yeah, there's a little bit of 490 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: everything going on there. And if you sit there and 491 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 5: study it and really try to connect the dots. Yeah, yeah, 492 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: you can put it together. There's there's pictures of some 493 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 5: creatures that are not on this planet that we know about. 494 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 5: You know, there's some strange looking stuff there. There are things, 495 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 5: you know, in the sky. Yeah, it's great to go 496 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 5: and sit and look at this stuff and just kind 497 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 5: of ponder what were they seeing, what were they thinking, 498 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: what were they trying to write down to let us 499 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 5: know about. So, yeah, we're full of stuff like that 500 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 5: everywhere you go. 501 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: What about some of these different indigenous people that seem 502 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 4: to have places in Arizona still? Do you do you 503 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 4: ever get accounts reported from them or have you ever 504 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 4: had any of them come in and tell their history 505 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: with these experiences? 506 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 5: Well, we have worked alongside the Navajo Rangers a bit 507 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 5: on doing some cases and retired Navaja ranger John Dover 508 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 5: and Stan Milford real good friends of ours. They have 509 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 5: cases and you know, they've brought mofon in on these 510 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 5: cases over time. And then there's a lot of their 511 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 5: friends out there in the middle of the nowheres that 512 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 5: have things they want to report, but they don't really 513 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 5: want to report it to white men. They just don't really, Yeah, 514 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 5: they want to keep it to themselves. They'll tell it 515 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 5: to the rangers and they might tell us a little 516 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 5: bit about it, but they don't want to be interviewed 517 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 5: or have anyone out there on their land. So you know, 518 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: those things remain secretive. 519 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: Why do you think that is. Do you think they're 520 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 4: not trusting something? 521 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 5: They don't trust us, you know, they don't really have 522 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 5: any reason to, so they keep it to themselves. But 523 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: there are numerous stories of skin walker activity, tribal witchcraft 524 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 5: out there, lots of UFO sightings, lots of stuff going on. 525 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 4: We may have another piece of the UFO puzzle right there, 526 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: inches away from us. Absolutely times they if we could 527 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 4: get them to share that with us, you know. 528 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: They do. They have so much out there to tell 529 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 5: and they just don't like to let loose of that information. 530 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 5: And they don't want you know, a bunch of people 531 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 5: out there on their land. I mean, these are they 532 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 5: call them their star brothers. They've been living with this 533 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 5: stuff in the skies forever and they're not surprised by it. 534 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 5: They think that we're a little bit wacky because we're 535 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 5: just so enamored with this stuff and the sky, oh 536 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 5: my god, you know, to them, it's an everyday occurrence. 537 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 5: So it's just their star brothers, star people, and they 538 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 5: come and they go all the time. So to them, 539 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 5: it's not a great big thing that anyone needs to 540 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: get worked up about. 541 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: It's just a thing that alone is fascinating because think 542 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 4: of that, this whole culture thinks that's a normal occurrence, 543 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: so there must be something to it. When you come back, 544 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 4: we're going to talk more to Stacy about some of 545 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: the other paranormal topics that seem to be interwoven with 546 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 4: the discussion of UFOs that keeps coming up over and over. 547 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 4: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 548 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 549 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. We're talking to Stacy Wright about her experiences 550 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 4: with moufon and different cases and look locations throughout Arizona, Sacye. 551 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 4: Oftentimes we are discussing UFOs. These other paranormal aspects seem 552 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 4: to kind of creep into the UFO phenomenon. There seems 553 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: to be some sort of an overlap among these different phenomenon, 554 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 4: whether it be near death experience to sightings of UFOs 555 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: to the contact experience, all of these sort of interlap. 556 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: What do you see an overlap between these different phenomenon 557 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: and is that sor is reported to you. 558 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 5: I definitely see an overlap. I think anyone that's been 559 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 5: looking into this is you're bound to see that over time. 560 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 5: So we have twenty fight field investigators just in the 561 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 5: state of Arizona right now, and if you ask each 562 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 5: and any of them, they would say, oh, yeah, you know, 563 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 5: you can see the overlap of this. So mofon does 564 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: not like to look into the paranormal too much, but 565 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 5: we all know that this is all considered in the paranormal. 566 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: So you know, you're talking about bigfoot, you're talking about orbs, 567 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 5: you're talking about crypto creatures. I think that all of 568 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 5: these things are related somehow. We just haven't figured it 569 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 5: out yet, but they just seem to be. I think that, 570 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 5: you know, our scientists have determined right now that we 571 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 5: have eleven different parallel universes right alongside us. We just 572 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 5: can't see them, but they're right alongside us. So maybe 573 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 5: these interdimensional creatures can just slip in and out of 574 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 5: these dimensions where to us that seems just completely impossible, 575 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 5: but I think it's happening. 576 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 4: So you said earlier that about ninety five percent of 577 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 4: the cases you look at, you guys, are able to 578 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 4: come up with a good terrestrial explanation for, and about 579 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 4: five percent remain anomalous. What are they typically turn out 580 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 4: to be? What is often time the misunderstanding? 581 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 5: Well, you know, oftentimes when you look at something that 582 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 5: has become an unknown, you're looking at lights in the sky. 583 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 5: Most of our stuff is lights in the sky. It's 584 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: very easy to pick out a light in a dark 585 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 5: sky versus something that's in the blue sky. People are 586 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 5: looking up at night, looking at the stars, looking at 587 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 5: the planets, so they see lights in the sky. But 588 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 5: what are those lights doing? Are they making sharp right 589 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 5: angle turns that are impossible for you know, what we 590 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 5: know now of our spacecraft to do, especially if they're 591 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 5: piloted by human beings. There's certain characteristics that they're accomplishing 592 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 5: that we just you know, can't do yet. So if 593 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 5: you're seeing something like that, it's considered anomalous. If it's anomalous, 594 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 5: and we check it against everything that we know that 595 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 5: is not anomalous, if it doesn't pan out to be 596 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 5: any one of those things, then it becomes a true unknown. 597 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: Now, when this started, for you, what seventeen years ago, 598 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: you only had what four people show up to the 599 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: first meeting. 600 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it was there was nothing going on 601 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 5: in Arizona moofon wise back in two thousand and seven, 602 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 5: and I just kept thinking, you know, I'm interested in 603 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 5: this subject. I had just read my first book on it, 604 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 5: which was the book by Jim Mars called The Alien Agenda, 605 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 5: and that book just grabbed me. And then I came 606 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 5: across Graham Hancock's book Fingerprints of the Gods, and I 607 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 5: was sold. So I started looking for, you know, a meeting, 608 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 5: came across this funny sound and name of Moufon, you know, 609 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 5: and I wrote to the only contact person I could find, 610 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: which at the time I did realize was the executive 611 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 5: director of Movefon, and said, Hey, how come there's no 612 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 5: meetings here in this town, this big, world class city 613 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 5: that had the Phoenix lights. We need something, you know. 614 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 5: So they started up a meeting here and that very 615 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 5: first meeting had like four people, and they were looking 616 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 5: for someone to volunteer to build up a new Phoenix 617 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 5: Moufon group. So I just raised my hand at that 618 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 5: point and thought, you know, I I can do four 619 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 5: people probably for better. 620 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 4: So easy, Yeah, it's better. 621 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 5: So yeah, we've got now anywhere between one hundred and 622 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 5: two hundred and seventy five people coming to our Phoenix 623 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 5: move On meetings and it's just you know, people are 624 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 5: super interested in the subject. 625 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: And Phoenix seventy five come to your meetings. That's incredible. 626 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how much our venue holds right now. We 627 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 5: filled it up four or five times with that number, 628 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 5: so it can be done. 629 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 4: Oh that's fantastic. Congratulations, that's really good. It shows you 630 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 4: that there's been a growing interest in this area. 631 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know with all the great shows on TV 632 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 5: that people can access and which then leads them to 633 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 5: do their own research. And that's what we really try 634 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: to do is you know, well, we're not afraid to 635 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 5: open up that can of worms and stir that pot 636 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 5: up a little bit and let people hear some of 637 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 5: this stuff that might be very controversial, because then that 638 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 5: urges them to go home and do their own research. 639 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: Your masks pushing for that. You want people that do 640 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 4: your own research. You're always saying, look, you can you 641 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 4: can hear from these guys and those guys, then look 642 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: up yourself, right, that's good. That's a good approach. I think. 643 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting. I wonder why, you know, like me, 644 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 4: you haven't had a personal experience as far as I know, 645 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 4: what do you think compels you to do all this? 646 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 5: Uh? You know, I don't know. I mean, maybe all 647 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 5: of us have just a little bit of some memory 648 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 5: that we can't consciously recall. You know, maybe there's something 649 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 5: just under the skin that we don't know about and 650 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 5: we're just trying to find out more about it. I'm 651 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 5: not sure, but it's just, you know, there's an interest there, 652 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 5: There's there's something that rings true to a lot of 653 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 5: this stuff. And you can find a little bit of 654 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 5: everything on TV. If you go out there looking at 655 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 5: all the shows on UFOs and aliens, you're going to 656 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 5: find something that resonates within you. And that's where you start. 657 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: You know. I want to ask you this because Roswell 658 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 4: is my personal favorite case, even though it kind of 659 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 4: feels very you know, popular in pop culture and cliched, 660 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 4: if you really really do take a dive, deep dive 661 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 4: into the Roswell information as I have, there's just a 662 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 4: lot there. Years ago, you had an opportunity to go 663 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 4: down to the actual crash site, and you participated in 664 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 4: an investigative dig with Don Schmidt, who I think is 665 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 4: amazing and a really good researcher of Roswell. I think 666 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 4: he's the best. What was that like. Tell us about 667 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 4: that experience. 668 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, it was great. And you know, Dawn has 669 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 5: been a great proponent of the whole Roswell thing, along 670 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 5: as with the late Stanton Friedman. I mean, there's a 671 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 5: lot down there, and I think that there's been a 672 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 5: lot of cover up going on. But yeah, Dawn had 673 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 5: been here speaking to Phoenix move On a couple of 674 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 5: times before this and realized that we've got some real 675 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 5: serious people here who are really hard working and willing 676 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 5: to get out there. So he said, hey, can you 677 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 5: bring a crew of people over there with you and 678 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 5: we'll go out and do another one of the archaeological digs. 679 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 5: So in twenty thirteen we did that. I think it 680 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 5: was in October, and so we took ten or eleven 681 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 5: of us over there, and he had four different film 682 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 5: crews set up, rental cars, great SUVs, hotel rooms, everything 683 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 5: was set. So we went out each day and drove 684 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 5: about one hundred miles out into the area where the 685 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 5: crash was supposed to have taken place, and what we 686 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 5: were doing there is we were looking in the debris 687 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 5: field so they can tell like historical weather patterns and things, 688 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 5: where that craft may have skipped across the ground and 689 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 5: where when it hit the ground the debris that would 690 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 5: have fallen off of it would have flown in the 691 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 5: wind into the debris field. So that's what we were 692 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 5: concentrating on then. So we all, you know, had a 693 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 5: crash course in how to set up our ten foot 694 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 5: grids with tape, and that went on for a long ways. 695 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 5: We had some metal detecting equipment and we were looking 696 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 5: into burrows in the ground a little bit because you know, 697 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 5: animals will find things and take them down into their 698 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 5: burrows over time that had never really been looked into, 699 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 5: so we were looking into that. We did find a 700 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 5: lot of things under the ground that were sending the 701 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 5: metal detecting equipment off. We found a lot of nails, 702 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 5: I mean there was a ton of nails there, and 703 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 5: supposedly the army had come in and spread just a 704 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 5: ton of nails everywhere to discourage people that were out 705 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 5: there looking for metal or for anything. All they're coming 706 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 5: up with nails. Maybe they'd all get tired of it 707 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 5: and go home. We found some old brass buttons off 708 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 5: of army uniforms from that day and supposedly, you know, 709 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 5: they were looking through this land so closely that they 710 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 5: were on their hands and knees crawling around. 711 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 4: That's a piece of evidence. Why else would that be. 712 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 5: Out there, right, Yeah, you could imagine buttons popping off 713 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,959 Speaker 5: their uniforms as they're crawling around there on their hands 714 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 5: and knees. And so it was a great experience. We 715 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 5: had a really good time out there. We didn't really 716 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 5: a whole awful lot, but we had a bunch of 717 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 5: really qualified people out there and we hit that piece 718 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 5: of land and covered it. 719 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 4: Pretty pretty cool to have experienced that being yeah, it 720 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 4: was nice. So Stacy, where can people find you and 721 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 4: your moofon organization? 722 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 5: Well, if you just go to www. Dot phoenixmoofon dot com, 723 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 5: that's our website and you can find out who our 724 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 5: speakers are, our location, what we do a little bit 725 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 5: more about moofon, and we have meetings every month and 726 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: we've got really high caliber speakers that we bring in 727 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 5: from all over the world, and we covered a whole 728 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 5: gamut of information and just great materials, so you know, 729 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 5: if you're ever in the area, come on over to 730 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 5: one of our meetings. 731 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 4: Awesome, Thanks so much, Stacy, A lot of fun. I 732 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 4: really appreciate it. Okay, guys, you can follow me on 733 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 4: Twitter and Instagram at CD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected 734 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 4: by checking out Contact Inthdesert dot com. Please stay open 735 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,280 Speaker 4: minded and rational as we explore the unknown right here 736 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 737 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 738 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 739 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 740 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.