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Speaker 1: Is that called Tesla? In his first NFL game comes

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Speaker 1: up with his first NFL touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: And Welcome to Week two of the NFL season. This

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Speaker 2: is the twenty minute The Huddle Podcast.

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Speaker 4: I am Tim twenty man, and the man next to me,

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Speaker 4: you guys don't know, this is Dan Miller. Needs this fourts,

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Speaker 4: director of Fox two, and he is the voice of

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Speaker 4: the Lions. And I thought, given the game in Green Bay,

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Speaker 4: to have a comforting voice, a familiar.

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Speaker 2: Voice would be great here in week two. But no, Dan,

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Speaker 2: Look it was a voice.

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Speaker 1: It says you just can't do that. But I don't

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Speaker 1: say it much anymore. That's good.

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Speaker 2: It was week one and obviously you have a.

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Speaker 4: Bird's eye view of that you're calling the game. Just

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Speaker 4: maybe your biggest takeaway coming out of that out of

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Speaker 4: that game that.

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Speaker 1: There were things that I saw and listened to. One

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Speaker 1: of the great things I get to do is listen

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Speaker 1: to TJ and Lomas and just correctable things. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: not anything that gave me great pause or reason to panic.

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Speaker 1: It's things that are correctible. With guys, many of whom

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Speaker 1: know how to correct things, and maybe most importantly of all,

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Speaker 1: a head coach that doesn't let his team stay down

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Speaker 1: for long. It's my favorite statistic. October thirtieth, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: losing to in a row. That's obviously on the line

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Speaker 1: this week, but I think it goes to his ability

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Speaker 4: And to your point, you know, if guys are getting

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Speaker 4: they talked about miscommunication, they talked about being on the

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Speaker 2: To your point, all that stuff is is correct.

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Speaker 4: But we talked to the coordinators this week and they said, look,

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Speaker 4: those are points of emphasis. We're going to get those

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Speaker 4: things cleaned up. They get to come home, the offense

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I just got done talking to Johnny

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Speaker 2: Jordan loved throw the ball as much. Any concern with

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Speaker 1: Mean, I don't think again, I think Hutch is Hutch.

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Speaker 1: Pressures I think sometimes they're so they don't always translate

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Speaker 4: To your point, last year twenty twenty four season, teams

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Speaker 4: Double team, you're gonna face nudges, You're gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: There's not many quarterbacks in this league that can make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of it's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you know what, I took it out.

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Speaker 1: there's so many weapons on this team. Yeah, that it's

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Speaker 4: with Derek Barnes. Welcome back to the Toy in the

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Speaker 4: And Derek, it's great to see you. Ye, it was

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Speaker 6: but when I got hurt, like that's that's the first

439
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 6: thing that came to my head. And obviously like my knee,

440
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 6: you know, that's so I wanted to get back. But

441
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 6: like that was just like it's like wow, like I

442
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 6: had my shot. I was you know, I didn't work

443
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 6: so hard to get to this point, to be this player,

444
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 6: to go out to make plays and be you know,

445
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 6: one of the one of the top people in the defense,

446
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 6: and uh, and then this happens.

447
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 5: So that was the first thought when I got hurt.

448
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 5: I was like, man, say.

449
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 6: Here we go. But man, trusted in God and I

450
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 6: knew that everything wul work out how it's supposed to

451
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 6: work out, and you know, it was it was it

452
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 6: was crazy for me because just like I'm talking to

453
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 6: my agent and and he kind of says something that

454
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 6: you know, kind of stuck me. Was like, it's just

455
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 6: one one more year that all you gotta do is

456
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 6: one more year to get what you want and to

457
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 6: get that second contract. And uh and I was the

458
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 6: whole time, I'm I was thinking, like, I know, it's

459
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 6: probably gonna be one of those one year deal type

460
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 6: of things because my injury and stuff. But man, to

461
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 6: have you know, organization like this, have a GM like

462
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 6: Brad and Dan chep Uh Sean Dionne, the guys to

463
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 6: believe in me and know my potential is know that

464
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 6: I can attribute to this defense and and this team

465
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 6: allows to go where we want to go.

466
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 5: I mean that tells it all. I mean that pushed

467
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 5: me even more.

468
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 6: They gave me a little you know, I always respected

469
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 6: the organization, Brad, Dan, everybody, but that just like like

470
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 6: that just to love. I'm like, man, these people they

471
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 6: believe me like that. Okay, Now I gotta go proven right,

472
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 6: like gotta prove them right. That's that's the biggest thing.

473
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 6: Like I always telling us like I'm always proving my

474
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 6: I want to prove myself who I can be and

475
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 6: who I will be. But then that's right, Like it

476
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 6: just wants to makes you want to push harder for

477
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 6: this organization because that's just type of guys they are,

478
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 6: that type of organization we are. And man, I just

479
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,199
Speaker 6: lay laid all online for those guys, man, because they

480
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 6: believe in me.

481
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: So, you know, before we get to to Chicago on

482
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 4: Sunday's appointed, let's let's look back a little bit.

483
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 2: Obviously a little bit disappointing to play the way you

484
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: guys did.

485
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 4: I think, really collectively in all three phases, I thought

486
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 4: the second half, you guys played really well. Defensively, settled down,

487
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 4: just got yourselves in a hole and kind of it

488
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:25,959
Speaker 4: is what it is.

489
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: But look, you had six tackles, tackle phlosophy. I thought

490
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: you played well.

491
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 4: Just what was your biggest takeaway coming out of that

492
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 4: Green Bay game defensively.

493
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 5: For us? Defensive wise? I think that man.

494
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 6: And and I'm never a type of guy a point

495
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 6: fingers upon which I would never do. I just think collectively,

496
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 6: I mean, I think we just didn't play you know

497
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 6: what they call it complimentary football. Yeah, like whether that

498
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 6: was special teams, defense, offense, no, what I feel like

499
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 6: we didn't just we didn't compliment each other. And that's

500
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 6: not a game supposed to be played because usually like

501
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 6: when one one one is down, the others up, and

502
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 6: I just feel like as a whole collective group, I

503
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 6: feel like we didn't. We weren't who we know we are.

504
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 6: And defensive wise, I mean, it's just those explosives, like

505
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 6: we preach it kach Chep prizes all the time. Like

506
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 6: when you give up explosive pass and closest runs, it

507
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 6: hurts you in a long game, I mean, even if

508
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 6: it's one or two, I mean that could be the

509
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 6: game change and play that you know, could determine whether

510
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 6: you win to lose. And I think if we just

511
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 6: limit those small mistakes, those small mental errors, I think

512
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 6: we're going to be right back on point and be

513
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 6: and becoming the best defense and one of the best

514
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 6: defenses in the league. And I truly believe that. I mean,

515
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 6: we got all the tools, we got, the coaches, we got,

516
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 6: the scheme, I mean, and and even without without the

517
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 6: good scheme, I mean, the players will make it, will

518
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 6: make it right. And I think that we just we

519
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 6: we emphasize that a lot, you know, when if the

520
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 6: call doesn't go right, I mean, we will make Coach

521
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 6: chev right. And as we pride ourselves on. But I

522
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 6: think that just collectly as a defense, I think that

523
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 6: once we start eliminating these small, you know, minute mental errors,

524
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, the sky's the limit.

525
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 4: I think people sometimes have to take a step back

526
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: to write It's it's week.

527
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: One, right, There's a lot. It's a long football city.

528
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna have ups and downs through the course of

529
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: the season. Green Bay is a pretty darn good team, and.

530
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 4: Flambellfield's a pretty tough place to stay football. So I

531
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: think you guys did show some good things obviously. You know,

532
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: maybe some fans are a little bit concerned with with

533
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: with some of the pass rush. I thought Green Bay

534
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 4: did had a pretty good plan for that. You know,

535
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: some short sets got the ball out. How much do

536
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 4: you guys want to kind of maybe improve that aspect

537
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: of a little bit get after Caleb a little bit

538
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: more that than you got after Jordan this week?

539
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: Is that kind of a point of emphasis for you?

540
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 5: It's always a point of emphasis.

541
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean you it's it's kind of really

542
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 6: hard to explain because it's just like I feel like

543
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 6: in that game, because Green Bath, I feel like we

544
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 6: didn't really get that a great opportunity as you say,

545
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 6: to like, actually really show the rush, show our blue PA.

546
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: Tough to because their plan changes. He only threw six

547
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: times in the second half.

548
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, it's it's it's a lot to go

549
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 5: into it.

550
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: And I think that, I mean, I know, like just

551
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 6: I mean, I hang around these guys every day, but

552
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 6: I already know the pass rush is gonna pick up

553
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 6: like it's and people say it's down whatever, But there's

554
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 6: just a lot of scenarios in the game where you

555
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 6: know you might not have those opportunities, but man, it'll

556
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 6: it'll all come together. I mean, definitely is always a

557
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 6: point of emphasis for us. I mean, we got phenomenal

558
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 6: pass rush. I mean, you got Hudge, who is I

559
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 6: don't think it's human honestly in my opinion. Davenport, who's

560
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 6: also not human in my in my perspective. I mean,

561
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 6: and then you got no Muhammed, you got you know, Roy,

562
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 6: you got DJ you got like It's man, you got

563
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of these guys. I'm sorry if I'm

564
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 6: missing anybody, don't don't don't please, don't you know, but

565
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 6: everybody on our on our defensive line, all of them

566
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 6: can rush and it's like, and then you got me

567
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 6: mixed here and there.

568
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 5: I mean, so it's gonna pick up.

569
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: Man.

570
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 6: We got the right people, Man, we got the right scheme.

571
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 6: I mean, just when the opportunity presents itself, I think

572
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 6: that people will people will see why you know we Yeah, you.

573
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: Know, shep better than most obviously was in that linebacker.

574
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: Room free years. What do you like about just.

575
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 4: The way he runs that unit, how he calls that defense.

576
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 4: Obviously they've been kind of prepping him for this role.

577
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: They identified his talent years ago. Now he stepped into

578
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 4: that role. What do you like about him?

579
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 6: Man? Well, first of all, man, she have always been

580
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 6: a coach who is super passionate about the game, super smart,

581
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 6: really intelligent coach. Man, and I can bet back in

582
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 6: his days when we played, he was a super intelligent player.

583
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 5: He just knows a lot.

584
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 6: Man, He knows and he his biggest thing is putting

585
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 6: us in the right position to be able to be

586
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 6: successful and make plays. Man, he's you know, I don't

587
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 6: know if people do. You might hear him out there

588
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 6: about them yelling and stuff like that, but man, it's

589
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 6: all love. Like One thing out that came to realize

590
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 6: is when he getting on you, like, and it ain't

591
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 6: out of out of anger. It's just that he wants

592
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 6: to be good so bad, and I mean he installs

593
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 6: that in all of us. And that's why we pushed

594
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 6: every day to be perfect. I mean, you're not gonna

595
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: be perfect, but you can at least push towards it.

596
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 6: And man, that's just type of coach he is.

597
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 5: Man. He always going to show love.

598
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 6: He always is a guy that you can go to

599
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 6: and have conversations with, whether it's football re lata or

600
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 6: not football RELATD. And I really respect and really respect

601
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 6: how he's growing, really respect respect how you know he

602
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 6: wants everybody on the defensive sign like he wants everybody

603
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 6: to make their plays, you know. And I think that

604
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 6: I said it back in the day, like super aggressive

605
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 6: and he wants to get after people.

606
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 5: I mean that's I.

607
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: Love it, you know, for for a guy like me,

608
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: I gotta gotta love that. Gotta love aggressiveness. I mean,

609
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 6: you got too, man, You're yeah, you're defensive. Is with

610
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 6: a defense man, you got to be aggressor. And I

611
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 6: think that you know, he's doing that's what the that's

612
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 6: what he like to do. And I'm not saying a

613
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 6: g didn't do that, but Shepvy's the guy he wants

614
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 6: to He wants to get out there. He doesn't want

615
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 6: to hold hold back doing anything. He wants to get

616
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 6: out there right now. From the from the very first.

617
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: We talked to him.

618
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: This week he kind of did his first media kind

619
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 4: of scrum weekly scrum with us, and tell you what

620
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 4: he was fired up in that that he brings energy.

621
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: You know, you can just tell when he walks in

622
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: the room, he brings the energy. Last one for you, Derek,

623
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 4: what are we going to see from lines defense this week?

624
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: Obviously got some good skill, guys, Ben Johnson, I got

625
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 4: that you guys are familiar with with his scheme. Caleb

626
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 4: looked pretty darn good the other day, you know, getting

627
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: out of the pocket, making plays with his legs. Just

628
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 4: what are we going to see from this Lion's defense

629
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: come Sunday you're at home, that kind of atmosphere, you

630
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: guys are excited to get back into that building.

631
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: What are we going to see a bunch of hungry dogs? Seriously?

632
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 6: I mean, man, that one, that that one the Green Bay,

633
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 6: that one hurt and everybody felt that. I think that

634
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 6: you know the preparation we had this week was was phenomenal.

635
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 6: I think the plan going in is phenomenal. We got

636
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 6: a plan for for all that to scramble. Whatever you

637
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 6: want to say it. They don't want to say too much,

638
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 6: don't want to get them no you know, no clues

639
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 6: or nothing like that. But but no, no, we have

640
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 6: a good plan. And I think that you want to

641
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 6: say much. I got the guys out there who are

642
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 6: playing smart football, uh, playing fast and physical, especially on

643
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 6: their defensive side, and even all of a sudden, I'm

644
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: super excited to watch them play, man and uh like

645
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 6: this is this one of just one of them games,

646
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 6: first home game.

647
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: Obviously we know what opponent is. It's gonna be a

648
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: really good football game.

649
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 6: But I'm super excited to watch everything come together and

650
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: and people on outside not knowing who we are as

651
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 6: a team, because we know who we are and we

652
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 6: know we bring to the table. So I'm super excited

653
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 6: for us to show that again and man play for

654
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: each other and hopefully obviously come away with the dub.

655
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 6: But like I said, it's just it's not easy. There

656
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 6: have nothing this NFL. No game is gonna be easy.

657
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 6: So however, you can win win and just find a way,

658
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 6: find a way. But no, Yeah, super excited.

659
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: NFC North Football Board Field, Black and Blue Division.

660
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: It should be fun.

661
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: Go get appreciate, Yes, sir, thank you.

662
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Torn the Huddle podcast.

663
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: Now it is time to take a look inside Chicago

664
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 4: and joining me now is Patrick Finley from the Chicago

665
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: Sun Times. He also does a great job with the

666
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: Hallis Intrigue podcast.

667
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: Patrick, thanks for joining me.

668
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: Thank you. It's a short week, but but it'll be

669
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: a fun one.

670
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

671
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: Those weeks coming off Monday night are always tough.

672
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: You gotta gotta get right back into you know.

673
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: Detroit mode after everything. Just curious, let's maybe start with

674
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: this injury updates. You know, obviously you saw DJ Moore

675
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: go down in the fourth quarter that game. He did

676
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: come back, but you've got you know, Jalen Johnson, TJ Edwards,

677
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: Kyler Gordon, any updates kind of midweek about their possible return.

678
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: No, as you and I sit here right now, there

679
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: hasn't been an injury report put out. Ben Johnson said

680
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: after Monday Night's game that the team got out of

681
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: there without any significant injuries, so that vodes well for

682
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: DJ Moore. I think Jalen Johnson's got a real chance

683
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: to play. He hadn't practiced at all this training camp

684
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: until last week. I think the Bears were just a

685
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: little nervous running him out there with that groin injury,

686
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: but I would look for him as a distinct possibility.

687
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: In Detroit, Kyler Gordon wasn't on the injury report all

688
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: last week and then Sunday morning they put him on

689
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: because he felt some pain in his hamstring. See with

690
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: that and TJ. Edwards two missed the first start. Those

691
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: are three starters and three of the bears best six

692
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: defensive players probably, so that will definitely be something worth

693
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: monitoring as we get through this week.

694
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: You look at that game Monday night at twenty seven

695
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: twenty four loss to Minnesota, and for three quarters this

696
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: team looked terrific really in offense, offensively and defensively. I'm

697
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: just curious to obviously fell apart there in the fourth

698
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: quarter a little bit and giving up three scores. What

699
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: was your biggest takeaway coming out of that game Monday night?

700
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh boy, the quarterback needs to be better. I know

701
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: that that's a reductive statement. I know you could say

702
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: that after every loss in the NFL, But there were

703
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: some accurate accuracy issues with Caleb over the middle. Once

704
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: to Dj Moore and wants to Cole Comet that if

705
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: he hits that, it's probably thirty yards a pop, and

706
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: it's a very different game. He needs to be more consistent.

707
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: He needs to be more consistent before the snap too.

708
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: The Bears had four fall start penalties and an illegal

709
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: shift that way too many. So Ben Johnson has been

710
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: harping on that all training camp and it still doesn't

711
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: look quite right. Beyond that, you know, you mentioned it,

712
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: the defense was very impressive playing without those three players.

713
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: And I think Dennis Allen, you know, we talked about

714
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: him all training camp as somebody who brought this experience

715
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: of being a head coach that he could help Ben

716
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: Johnson kind of in his you know, maiden voyage here,

717
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: I think we forget that Dennis Allen's a really good

718
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: play caller too, and he was able to confuse the quarterback. Now,

719
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: Jared Golf's going to be a lot different than facing

720
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: somebody who'd never played in an NFL game before. But

721
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 3: I thought that it was really good first game for

722
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: Dennis Allen.

723
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny you bring up the pre snat penalties

724
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 4: because obviously we know Ben pretty well here, and whenever

725
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: you were at training, camp, practice, whenever you at practice,

726
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: you never saw him get more upset and more vocal

727
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: than those prestat stuff aligning, you know, miscommunication stuff.

728
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: Boy, he hates that stuff.

729
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: And you could see him stewing a little bit down

730
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: the sideline on Monday night.

731
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a thinking back to maybe may they're

732
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: doing an OTA in their dome here, which is a

733
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: pretty small building, and the tight end cole comet doesn't

734
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: go in motion quite correctly, and practice stops and there

735
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: is cursing, and there is yelling, and all of us

736
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: were used to matt Abraflusher sitting there on Oh boy,

737
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: oh okay, And that's how he operates, and those things,

738
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: You're right, those things are the things that I think

739
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: keep him up at night. I think he's okay with

740
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: mistakes made, Honestly, I don't think he's okay with preventable mistakes.

741
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

742
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: You guys are learning Ben very very well, as we

743
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: have over the last few years here. You know, I'm

744
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: curious obviously, the offensive line, the sacks leading the league

745
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: with sixty eight last year was a big storyline leading

746
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: the league in pressures allowed. You look at the book

747
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: from Minnesota, it wasn't too bad, you know, a couple

748
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: of sacks allowed. I think he was hit maybe three times.

749
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: He did get out of the pocket a lot. I'm

750
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: just curious when I looked at little deeper though, twenty

751
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: five pressures is that worrisome at all heading in or

752
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: they obviously put a lot of resources into kind of

753
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 4: retooling this offensive line with some veteran guys. What was

754
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: your impression of their play Week one? Any concerns coming

755
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: out of that.

756
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: When you average four sacks a game for the entirety

757
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: of a season the year before, there's really nowhere to go.

758
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: But you know, Caleb Williams was sacked the third most

759
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: times in the history of football last year. So the Bears,

760
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: you mentioned it, they threw money at a center and

761
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: two guards, both you know, via trade and then and

762
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: then contract extensions, and then drewdalmend the center as a

763
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: free agent. I think they held up well. I think

764
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: that you know, when you talk about those two sacks,

765
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: one of them was when Caleb stepped out of bounce

766
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: throwing a pass, So really he was tackled to the

767
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: ground for a sacked just once. And you know, you

768
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: guys know the Vikings as well as we do. You know,

769
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: they didn't blitz as much as they usually do. They

770
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: still boy it is that their priority is to try

771
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: and get the quarterback to the ground. So I thought

772
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: it was a good first start. There were times when

773
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: Caleb looked a little more like justin f fields that

774
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: I feel comfortable with in terms of getting out of

775
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: the pocket, maybe a little prematurely. You know, you'd like

776
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: to think that as the season goes on, if the

777
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: Bears o line does, you know, even if they just

778
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: get back to league average after last season, you'd like

779
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: to think that Caleb's trust in that pocket will grow

780
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: and that maybe he'll hang in there a little more

781
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: than he did the other night.

782
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: What was the difference with the defense there in the

783
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, Because we talked about it earlier, how now

784
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: they really did play well, really well overall, But you

785
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: look at that fourth quarter, Minnesota and JJ McCarthy were

786
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: able to make some things happen, and both with his

787
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: legs and his arms, scored the twenty one points for

788
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 4: the come from behind.

789
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: When what was the difference in your opinion that fourth quarter.

790
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: I think it's easy to talk about JJ because it's

791
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: a great story, but I'll tell you this, I think, well,

792
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: the Vikings said thirteen runs in the first three quarters

793
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: and thirteen runs in the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter,

794
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: I think they averaged twice as many yards per carry

795
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: as they did in the first three JJ through eight

796
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: times in the fourth quarter. Four times he was throwing

797
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: on either third and one second and one third and

798
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: five or second in five. Those are all very beneficial

799
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: downs for a young quarterback rather than being in those

800
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: obvious passing downs. So I think the run game really

801
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: helped him. And that's not something that I hear being

802
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: talked about a lot, but that was part of it.

803
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 3: And then you know, you know, you have Justin Jefferson,

804
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 3: who is you know, the best receiver on the planet

805
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: probably and you knew when he let a ball go

806
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: through his hands earlier in the game that that probably

807
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna happen again. And then he was able to

808
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: get unlocked against bear secondary. You know, like I said,

809
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: that was missing their two time Pro Bowl corner and

810
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 3: then their slot cornerback as well.

811
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: What grade do you give kind of Ben Johnson for

812
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 4: his first performance. I know you're you're kind of I

813
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: don't like doing that as well that much because it's

814
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 4: one game, right, It's one thing. But I guess maybe

815
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 4: everybody obviously has expectations leading up. You were there every

816
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: day in camp, You saw what it looked like. Did

817
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: what it looked like in camp looked like it in

818
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: week one where there's some surprises or is that kind

819
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 4: of what you expected?

820
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: It's it was the outcome I suspect or I expected.

821
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: I think I had the Vikings winning by three. But

822
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: the way both teams got there has to be so

823
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: encouraging for Vikings fans and so demoralizing for Bears fans.

824
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd give Ben a B minus. You know,

825
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: part of what was concerning was this wasn't just an

826
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: offense issue. You know, Kayleb Williams struggled, you know, like

827
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: we talked about, with accuracy for half the game. That's bad,

828
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: but also you've got a defense to let go of

829
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: the rope in the fourth quarter. You have special teams

830
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: that missed a fifty yard field goal, and then at

831
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: the end when Cairo Santos was under orders to put

832
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 3: the ball through the back of the end zone to

833
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: save the Bears of time out because the two minute

834
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: warning would then sound after the first play, Cairo couldn't

835
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: get the ball out of the back of the end zone.

836
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: Their failures in all three phases here, and you know,

837
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: even talking to Ben about it, Ben said, listen, you

838
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 3: know I shouldn't have challenged a player the third quarter.

839
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: That's on me. I should have noticed that a Flow

840
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: wasn't blitzing as much as we thought earlier. You know,

841
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: I don't think Ben would give himself anything above a

842
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: be minus. And that's about where I am, because when

843
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: you have mistakes across the entirety of the team, that

844
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: does fall on the head coach kind of whether it's

845
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: fair or not.

846
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

847
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: The twelve penalties is also something there too, and that

848
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: reflects on a little bit of coaching as well too.

849
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt Eberflus never had a team with twelve penalties.

850
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: Wow and ah.

851
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: And that operation was nobody's idea of anything that was buttoned.

852
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: Up Patrick dropping the knowledge knowledge here.

853
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: I'm curious, what's one of the key matchups for you

854
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 4: come Sunday.

855
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: The Bears need to run the football. You know, you

856
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: know this, Ben is a running coach who then has

857
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: great pass concepts on top of it. You know, I

858
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: think everything is predicated on that.

859
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 5: You know that.

860
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: You know, the play action numbers that he had with

861
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: you guys for the last couple of years were unmatched

862
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: across football. And the Bears can't get into that sort

863
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: of stuff, especially with Kayleb Williams, who is are more

864
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: athletic than the quarterback in Detroit was. They can't get

865
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: into that stuff unless they actually scare you with the runs.

866
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift I thought, had one really good possession in

867
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: the third quarter the other night where he just put

868
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: his head down and pushed a pile. That's kind of

869
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: all they want him to do. He was last year

870
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: the worst running back in football in terms of expected

871
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: yards per carry and what he actually turned out with

872
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: because he was trying to hit the home run every time.

873
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: He can't do that. So the Bears need to scheme

874
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: it better, they need to block it better, and Swift

875
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: needs to hit the hole. If they can run the ball,

876
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: then they've got that metronome that they could base everything

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Speaker 3: else on. I think that's going to be a very

878
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: big deal. And then you know, on the other side,

879
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: not to get too line heavy here, because I know

880
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Speaker 3: that that's not what the people want. Usually, the Bear's

881
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 3: ability to rush the passer against a Lion's defensive line

882
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: that's a little different than Ben Johnson left it. I

883
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: think is going to be telling because when you don't,

884
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 3: especially with the weapons that the Lions have, they can

885
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: certainly make you pay.

886
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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: Patrick, two division opponents that obviously know each other very well.

888
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: It's two head coaches who know each other very very well, obviously.

889
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Speaker 2: And it's two teams that look for all in Tes's purpose.

890
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: They need to win. Both teams need to win. You

891
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: can't start zero and two in this league. You just

892
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: put yourself behind the eight ball. It's not impossible, but

893
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: it's a tough smart especially Week three.

894
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: Who does Chicago have Week three?

895
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: They come home for the Dallas Cowboys, led by defensive

896
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: coordinator Matt Eberflus. So it's never a dull moment around here.

897
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Speaker 3: You mentioned it, I thought it was. I thought it

898
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: was a tough spot to put anybody in to have

899
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Speaker 3: all of these teams play two NFC North games in

900
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: the first two weeks of the season. But I did

901
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: think that it was good for the Bears to get

902
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: JJ in the first game rather than in October for

903
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: the first time. And I thought it was good for

904
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Speaker 3: them to get the Lions coordinators in their second game

905
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: rather than later in this season. We'll see whether any

906
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: of that matters. As it turns out with the JJ thing,

907
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 3: it really didn't well.

908
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's a huge one for Detroit.

909
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: They go to Baltimore Week three on Monday Night Football,

910
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: so starting zero and two with the prospects of having

911
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: go to Baltimore on Monday Night. Obviously, it's a huge

912
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: game for both teams. Thanks for taking the time so much.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate the insight into Chicago safe travels in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Hey Andy time, Thank you.