1 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: So I just heard that Kelly Roland walked out of 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: The Today Show when she was co hosting with Hodah 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: because of the size of her dressing room. I was 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: in the exact same position, co hosting the show with 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: Hodah on The Today Show. And my hair and makeup 6 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: touch up spot was a curtain just closing off a 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: part of the lobby, and then my dressing room was 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: the size of a closet. And you know what, I 9 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: was so excited to be there. Who would have even thought. 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I have video of the dressing room because 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: it was like a clown car and we were all 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: trying to fit in there. And that was the day 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: that my assistant forgot my dress and I had to 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: wear a Today's Show bathing suit. You are so lucky 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: to be invited to co host. It is like you 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: jump up and down. You're so excited. I would get 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: dressed in my car. It doesn't matter. And it's not 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: fancy there. Even their makeup room is not fancy there. 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: I have tons of video in their makeup room. It's 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: like a news organization. You're not there for fluff and 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: pomp and circumstance, and they buy their own clothes it's 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: just not like Hollywood bullshit Diva. 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: That's not what it is. It's an honor to co host. 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: The Today Show. And if you have to sit in 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: your car, you sit in your car. It's just not 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: a Nicki Minaj moment. So when Travis Kelcey screamed Viva 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Las Vegas in that cave era holding a club loincloth, 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: big fur vest pelt vibe, that gave like I just 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: killed a buffalo with my bare hands and now I'm 30 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: going to cook it on an open fire that I 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: made with two stipped sticks that I rubbed together. When 32 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: he did that, some people were shocked, and some people 33 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: think that that must have turned off Taylor's swift. But 34 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: this is a man who wore a black sequin leisure 35 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: suit walking into the super Bowl, Like, this is a 36 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: guy who is loud and proud, unapologetic, a human disco ball, 37 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: a warrior, Winter is coming, Game of Thrones, not polished 38 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: football playing animal. So there's no mystery here. He's got 39 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: a giant beer, He's gargantuan in size. His mom is 40 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: carrying pizza in ziploc bags because she's grabbing the bag 41 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: with a ziplock. Deal with the ziplock wrap coming out 42 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: of her purse, which I can literally tell you the 43 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: name of the person who took that picture, because these 44 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: are branded photographs and I've done them in the past 45 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: where they'll be like, yeah, here, we just want you 46 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: in this supermarket and you're just like holding the goat milk, 47 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: but the goat milk container needs to be facing us 48 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: and it needs to be like coming out of your bra. 49 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't think that seems real, and 50 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: they're just like, don't worry, because, like places like Us 51 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: Weekly and in Touch, they just want to get the 52 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: picture of the celebrity. And the only way that the 53 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: photographer can get the picture of the celebrity is by 54 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: having keefer slash goat milk coming out of your bra. 55 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: So his mom is famous. 56 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Now she's Taylor Swift's bff, and so she's got ziplock 57 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: coming out of her purse. 58 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: And Ramona had chicken in her purse at the reunion. 59 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Why can't Travis Kelce's mom have ziplocks coming out of 60 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: her purse? 61 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: To be fair, there is no better storage. I mean, 62 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: I'm a pouch. 63 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Girl, so like Ziplock's a great storage pouch, Like you 64 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: don't want to get the inside of your purse dirty, 65 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: just put a ziplock in there and put your pen 66 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: and your blush and your lip gloss. Like I'm not 67 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: getting paid and I have ziplocks coming out of my purse. 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: I never don't have zip blocks with me, So I 69 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: used to store all my bathing suits and zip blocks like. 70 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what Travis Kelce's mom did, But I 71 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: live in ziplock. My house is made of ziplock, so 72 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: I deserve it. But Travis Kelsey's mom as a man 73 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: who is barely walking upright as a son, So him 74 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: screaming out Viva las Vegas in a Game of Thrones 75 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: caveman club whole holding tone is not a surprise and shouldn't. 76 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: Be getting anyone the ick. 77 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: You gotta dance with the one who brung you, and 78 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: like it or not, he brought her to the super 79 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Bowl this year. Where is the line with discussing women's appearances. 80 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: Please help me, because Megan Fox is out looking different 81 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: at the super Bowl and people are commenting on that 82 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: she's a beautiful girl. It's presumably because she's so stunning, 83 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: And where's these skin tight outfits and looks perfect and 84 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: now she looks different. So is that a result of 85 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: public scrutiny, self deprecation, being insecure? 86 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: I guess it's just a conversation, but. 87 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: It needs to be had very lightly because we shouldn't 88 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: be talking about women's appearances. And the same goes for 89 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: Amy Schumer, who's just out doing talk shows and has 90 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: said she's experiencing a medical issue. I had that happen 91 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: to me from pots where I was holding onto water 92 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: and looked really swollen. But maybe she is having a 93 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: medical issue. 94 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: Does it matter. 95 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: She's not pretending she's a supermodel. She's done the opposite 96 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: in movies. She's a woman who is just living her 97 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: life and won't always look the same. Can we not 98 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: make her feel worse? Can we not pile on? Amy 99 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: Schumer does enough self deprecating. We do not need to 100 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: pile on. That's what I think. You know, we've talked 101 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: about Jennifer Anison looking different in her recent season of 102 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: the Morning Show because she's also an older woman, you know, 103 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: like myself. She's older than when we watch reruns of 104 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: her on Friends, and so maybe she's feeling a certain 105 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: kind of way and maybe she wants to tweak. Nicole 106 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: Kidman's gone through it, Meg Ryan's gone through it. You're 107 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: a woman in Hollywood, You're heavily scrutinized. You're aging out 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: in your mind. Although it's never been a better time 109 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: to be a woman in your fifties, but you're aging 110 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: out in your mind, and you kind of just want 111 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: to keep up. And you're watching young women not only 112 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: get roles but be relevant and look perfect. You're watching 113 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: filtering too. If you're a woman in my generation or 114 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Amy Schumer's generation, you're probably not heavily editing and filtering 115 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: because you just it's not who you are. And now 116 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: you're competing with people who do heavily filter, who are 117 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: thirty years younger than you, not just for roles, but 118 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: just for relevance, attention deals. 119 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: Skincare I don't know. 120 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, we have to be a little 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: more delicate, and we just don't need to be criticizing 122 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: women like Amy Schumer or Megan Fox or Jennifer Aniston 123 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: about their appearance. We have to be very cognizant of 124 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: how we discuss what we want to do and what 125 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: we like and what we don't like and what we 126 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: think is okay, and what we don't think is okay. 127 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: I've been guilty of it. 128 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: I've talked about Kim Kardashian removing a clavigal and a 129 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: post and losing drastic amounts of weight for the Mech 130 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Gala as a mother of a teen. But I certainly 131 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: do not think that Amy Schumer has done anything that 132 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: deserves any kind of criticism. And frankly, I don't know 133 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: if Megan Fox has either. She was in a relationship, 134 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: she posts skimpy outfit, she looks hot, she's an actress, 135 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and she seems to be minding her own business. Jennifer 136 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: Aniston also, she's just probably just trying to survive in 137 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: a very very severely critical industry and world because social 138 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: media is everywhere. 139 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: So let's give him a break. 140 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: So Wendy Williams is going to be on the cover 141 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: of People magazine and what a rise and what a fall? 142 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: I definitely have an opinion because I've met Wendy several times. 143 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I've been on the show. 144 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: And I also have been in the talk show space 145 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: in the same group that produced her talk show, that 146 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: syndicated her talk show. So I first met Wendy years ago. 147 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: When I did her show, and then she was friends 148 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: with Nini. They had some sort of a falling out, 149 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: but one time she just like called me out of 150 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: the blue with Nini on the phone and just like 151 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: was like, I'm sorry, I've said so many things about you, 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: but let's get together or come on the show or 153 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: just something that was jarring. 154 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: And I know they don't speak anymore. 155 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what the falling out was, but they 156 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: were close, and Wendy got popular because of these hot topics, 157 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: and she was very disruptive. She came off the radio 158 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: and she was loved and she was successful. And what 159 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: was told to me from behind the scenes when I 160 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: used to visit the show was that her husband kind 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: of ran the show and he controlled the program. 162 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: And I didn't know he was partners on it. 163 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know he was making money off of it, 164 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: but I knew that like he was running the program. 165 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: I knew that. 166 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: I was told that, and there was something definitely dark 167 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: in the underbelly over there. I distinctly remember this. And 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: you'd go on her show sometimes. Then it got to 169 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the point where you would never do her show. I 170 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: was advised never to do her show, even if it 171 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: was the most like sort of charming ask and they 172 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: want to bury the hatchet and what because you'd go 173 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: on and it would be you know, kind of gotcha, 174 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: which was fine, But the problem was when you weren't on, 175 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: she'd be just talking badly about you when you weren't there, 176 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: or you know, to the audience or putting on clips, 177 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,479 Speaker 1: and you just always felt kind of exposed. 178 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: It was really like tabloid talk show. 179 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: And I always wondered how she got people to even 180 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: do it because it was super nasty. 181 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 2: Like, as a. 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: Host of this podcast, I really want to protect the guest. 183 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: I mean I really want someone not only while they're 184 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: on to feel good, but later on not to be 185 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: churned and burned through the media. It's why I get 186 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: such amazing guests, because people know that I'm polarizing and 187 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: can be disruptive. 188 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: But there's a safe space. You know. 189 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're Matthew McConaughey, Hillary Clinton, or 190 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Rachel or Nini, who can all be controversial. It just 191 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: means it's a safe space. Doesn't mean I agree with everything, 192 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: It just means that you're not going to kind of 193 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: like be churned through some pr machine in the name 194 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: of me while to get clickbait but. 195 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: Throw people out. 196 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: So Wendy was really tricky, and I was really often advised, 197 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: even when it would be tempting to just not do 198 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: her show. When you're first coming up and you're not 199 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: as successful and you can't make any choices and you 200 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: just do whatever your take given. Then I used to 201 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: do it, but once I became more successful, I just 202 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: there was no upside to doing it. She really would 203 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: have no problem just trashing anybody in the name of ratings, 204 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: and it worked and. 205 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: She got guests. 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: But I will say this, a talk show is made 207 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: to look easy and it's brutal. And the money once 208 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: you get to her level, or Rachel Ray or Ellen 209 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: or someone else, like it's so intoxicating because you've learned 210 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: to live this lavish Rolls Royce lifestyle. Ellen's flipping multiple houses. 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: Wendy's got Rolls voices and supporting her her husband and 212 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and like it gets tempting for those 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: people and they kind of can't get out and they're 214 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: spending so much that they have to go back the 215 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: next year because how you're not going to make between 216 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: five and thirty million dollars and just take it. It's like, 217 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: wasn't that much, But that's why people stay on the Housewives. 218 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: And I left because there was no number for my sanity. 219 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: And I say that because there was a number for 220 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Wendy's sanity, because I think that talk show combined with 221 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: her marriage and the pressure. You get in in the 222 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: morning and you have a pit crew on you seven 223 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and there's a pit crew on 224 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: your body literally like tweaking and tucking and it, and 225 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: all the different stations because she's not on one network. 226 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: She's syndicated, which is where you make more money, but 227 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: where you have more opinions. So all the people on 228 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: all the different stations that she's servicing around the country, 229 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: they all have an opinion. Don't tell her not to 230 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: wear a hemline that short, or tell her that lipstick 231 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: was too bright, or don't say this, or don't do that. 232 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: And you're like kind of stifled because you can't just 233 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: make a move and everyone's deciding what guests to book 234 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: based on what did well yesterday, so you can't kind 235 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: of have your own original thought of what you want 236 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: to do. You move in there and you think I'm 237 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: gonna do a show and it's to be about this, 238 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about that, but everybody else 239 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: is in your ear telling you what the show has 240 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: to be about. So her hot topics work, so she 241 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: has to trash people. Now she's on a treadmill. And 242 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: every day you go in and nobody wants to hear 243 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: you're in a bad mood, because no one wants to 244 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: hear famous, rich people talk about being in a bad 245 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: mood or they had a bad day. So you have 246 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: to be cheery and happy every day. You're also directing traffic. 247 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: When we come back up next, Chlorox is here. You're 248 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: constantly on a loop and you're just being moved and 249 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: shuffled and handed things. And from the minute you get in, 250 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: someone is doing your hem, linking you off, asking you 251 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: what you want to have for lunch. Five people with 252 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: clipboards are coming in and out telling you who's coming 253 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: on today. You're exhausted, you might not have slept, you 254 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: got in so early, you may have to do two shows. 255 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: It is a fucking grind. I despised it. I hated it. 256 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: I hated myself for hating it because I knew all 257 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: these people were working there and they wanted the gig 258 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: and wanted it to go on. It was so disingenuous. 259 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: It is such a nightmare to make it look easy 260 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: and to make you look happy. Behind the scenes, what's 261 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: going on is torture. And I know she probably experienced 262 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: some mental health issues. I don't know how those all converge. 263 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I obviously I'm an expert on this, and she was 264 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: terrible and said terrible things about me. But it's a 265 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: job for a person that's not very happy, like but 266 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: you come in happy and you leave a wreck like. 267 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: Honestly speaking, Ellen came out and said every day to 268 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: be kind to each other. That was the audience she 269 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: was talking to, Like, she couldn't come out and be 270 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: grouchy or be miserable or vent. So you're just stuffing 271 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: it all down and have to look so cheery every 272 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: day because you're talking, you know, to America. You're giving 273 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: giant checks that are you know, you're giving out all 274 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: these gifts pretending it's you giving them out. You're not 275 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: giving them out. Some sponsors giving them out. But you 276 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: get to be Ellen and ath like you you know, 277 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm giving you the twelve Days of Christmas or Oprah 278 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: and you get a car, and you get a car, 279 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: they're not paying for that. It's just an acting gig 280 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: that's like so intense and so brutal, and think about 281 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: my personality. And that's why I despised it, because it 282 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: was like having a noose around your neck of who 283 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be and what you're supposed to say 284 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: and how you're supposed to feel and how you're supposed 285 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: to portray and what you're supposed to wear and what 286 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: sponsor you have to mention. And it's a grind. It's 287 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: not free, it's not natural, it's not normal. And that's 288 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: definitely something that contributed to Wendy's demise. I'm sure she 289 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: loved it when she was on the radio being free 290 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: and who she could really be. In in the beginning, 291 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: it's a great novelty, but after years of having everyone 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: up your ass, grinding you and torturing you and pressuring you, 293 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: you're fucking gonna blow. 294 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: It happens to everyone, that's the truth. 295 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: And I legitimately do not know anything specific about what's 296 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: going on with Wendy, just what I've read, and she's 297 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: acutely aware of how she's being portrayed and probably goes 298 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: in and out of these different sort of states of mind. 299 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: But I don't know that the pressure of what the 300 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: entertainment industry can do to some people, not just because 301 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: we're complaining, you know, Wendy's complaining about being famous or successful. 302 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when you've got everyone's opinion weighing on 303 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: what you look like, what you say, and you've got fame, 304 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: and you've got scrutiny, and you've got money, and you've 305 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: got the pressure, and you've got a whole entire crew 306 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: and all of this, it's just going to be a 307 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: pressure cooker and the top is going to fly off. 308 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: And that's what seems like what happened with her. It 309 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: could be totally wrong. 310 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: It could be that it's all just mental health and 311 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: she was predisposed to this, but having seen her in 312 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: action with her husband, who everyone said was like a 313 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: tyrant controller all of this. 314 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: It sounds like a nightmare. 315 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: And I honestly have compassion for her and I feel 316 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: for her, and I am you're listening to someone talk 317 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: about her that she trashed, and that has to eat 318 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: away at you too. You can't be very happy if 319 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: you're constantly trashing. You just can't You can't be living 320 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: a very happy true life if every day you're going 321 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: to just regurgitate and churn out headlines and turn them 322 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: into a negative opinion and gossip about people like really 323 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: just reducing their difficult divorces, infidelity, their lives, their careers, 324 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: their mistakes into an anecdotal, snarky hot topic segment. 325 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: You just can't be happy. 326 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: So she had to be miserable for a long time 327 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: to talk so badly about so many people. 328 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: It happens to the best of us.