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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. I just have a bunch of

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, there's really no formatted way we

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Speaker 1: Are preseason rankings the most useless thing we do in

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Speaker 1: and anyone else listening. I don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: What would you do instead, Zach? If you did not

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Speaker 1: and get out?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Fortunately for me, I get to have a different list.

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Speaker 1: So the parking egregious. They give us egregiously good parking ridiculous,

433
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Speaker 1: especially in the Big Ten. They give us parking way

434
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Speaker 1: better than we should have. I think we should have

435
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Speaker 1: to park in another area. Code. Don't don't tell people

436
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Speaker 1: I said that, But we get good parking, so I don't.

437
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't think about that so much. Obviously, we're there

438
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 1: before the gates open, so getting in and getting out

439
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: it's not a problem. But me, if I'm covering the game,

440
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: I always tell our friends in the sid's office, don't

441
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: waste spots in the press box. For me, I want

442
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Speaker 1: to be on the field, and we're blessed enough that

443
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Speaker 1: they let us do that. So we're on the field

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Speaker 1: for games all right. So what I want is I

445
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Speaker 1: want a great environment. I want room on the sideline.

446
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: But also it's really awesome when there isn't room on

447
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Speaker 1: the sideline. Like I've been to Oklahoma very recently, Oklahoma

448
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma State for that matter, there's virtually no room

449
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines. Well, that means the crowd's closer. That

450
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Speaker 1: means it's a very intimate setting. The only downside for

451
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Speaker 1: someone like me, and this is a first world problem,

452
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: is you can't go from one end one end zone

453
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Speaker 1: to the other because there's no room behind the benches

454
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Speaker 1: to walk, So you have to go like all the

455
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Speaker 1: way up a ramp down the concourse all the way

456
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Speaker 1: back down. Anyway, that's not your problem, that's my problem.

457
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about it in terms of the places

458
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Speaker 1: that I like, like my favorite stadiums, so in the

459
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Speaker 1: big ten, Penn State is one that I always look

460
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Speaker 1: forward to go into. Now, the thing about Penn State

461
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: is it does not matter what time of day the

462
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Speaker 1: game kicks off. You've just got to dedicate a whole

463
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Speaker 1: day because it is by far the toughest place to

464
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Speaker 1: get in and out of of all the big venues,

465
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Speaker 1: all the big campuses CAMPI that we go to. But

466
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Speaker 1: that's okay, but it's a it's a it's a day,

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Speaker 1: it's a whole day. And the white out being a

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Speaker 1: primetime game. I was up there for the white Out

469
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Speaker 1: a few years ago. It's great, it's wonderful. Just understand

470
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Speaker 1: you're checking in the hotel about three am if you're lucky.

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Speaker 1: I think last time I went there, I was flying

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Speaker 1: out of Pittsburgh at five point thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I went from the stadium to the airport and did

474
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Speaker 1: not sleep at the airport or anything like that. I

475
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Speaker 1: just kind of got there and that was pretty much

476
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Speaker 1: how long it took. So but Penn State's awesome and

477
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Speaker 1: the accessibility, like you can get to your room underneath

478
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Speaker 1: the stadium pretty quickly. But the two that I have liked.

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Speaker 1: The most that I only sort of semi I recently

480
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Speaker 1: got to visit was Oregon, because Organ's awesome in terms

481
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Speaker 1: of environment, fairly easy enough to get in and out of.

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Speaker 1: The architecture's way different. It's extremely loud. It's deceptively loud.

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Speaker 1: And the place where like I would have all my

484
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: stuff is just right off the field. I mean it's

485
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Speaker 1: like ten steps off the fields, right up a little tunnel.

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Speaker 1: So that's good. Washington is another one. Only been there once,

487
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Speaker 1: only been to one game at Washington. It was two

488
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Speaker 1: years ago. It was the Organ game. But Washington has

489
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Speaker 1: everything I could want. Washington has a bathroom accessibility right

490
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Speaker 1: off the field, media room accessibility right off the field,

491
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Speaker 1: insane environment, insane views. It looks like a screen saver

492
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Speaker 1: up there. Just everything's gorgeous. Everything's ten of ten. Someone

493
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Speaker 1: needs to tell Jetfish. I said this, by the way,

494
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Speaker 1: So because we're not ranking programs here, if we're ranking

495
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Speaker 1: settings in the big ten, there aren't many at all

496
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Speaker 1: that are above Washington. Now, as for the older places,

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Speaker 1: so Michigan very historic, love it. No complaints about Michigan.

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Speaker 1: The only thing there is, Yeah, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: go a little ways if you need to get to

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Speaker 1: a bathroom or get to warmth, which some of us

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Speaker 1: who grew up in the South need. Is it soft? Yeah,

502
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Speaker 1: it is. I'm soft when it comes to weather, I'm soft.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. And you're gonna

504
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Speaker 1: have to go up that tunnel which burns the glutes,

505
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: it burns the quads, which is okay, but it's gonna

506
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Speaker 1: be there, so it's gonna take you a couple of

507
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Speaker 1: minutes if you need to get up there. Ohio State

508
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest difference in doing what I do

509
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Speaker 1: versus doing what I would do if I bought a ticket.

510
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Speaker 1: If I bought a ticket, I'd love everything about the shoe.

511
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I hate anything about the shoe, as is.

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Speaker 1: The difference is I kinda I don't know how to

513
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Speaker 1: describe this. I love amenities, but I love for them

514
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Speaker 1: to look like they were built in sixteen thirty eight.

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: I hate new looking college football stadiums. I'm very weird

516
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Speaker 1: about that. So I will grant you that I'm probably

517
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Speaker 1: in the minority. You should never build a stadium with

518
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Speaker 1: me and mine. But I love old, functional, old. I

519
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: love that so at Ohio State. It's just kind of

520
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: if you picture I don't know which north or south.

521
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't know which end zone it is, but the

522
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Speaker 1: end zone that's flat, not the one that's curved. The

523
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Speaker 1: end zone that's flat, the non horseshoe portion of the stadium,

524
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Speaker 1: underneath those lower bleachers, like where the band is. That's

525
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: where you would go if you're like a field media

526
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Speaker 1: photographer or something like that. And those are most of

527
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Speaker 1: the time the areas that I put my stuff. I

528
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: don't know how to else to say this. It's just

529
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Speaker 1: kind of there. There's not really anything romantic about it.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple of porta potties in there that,

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Speaker 1: over the span of four quarters you could imagine doing

532
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Speaker 1: number on the overall ambiance of that very confined space.

533
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Speaker 1: And it's fine, there's nothing wrong with it, but it

534
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Speaker 1: just lacks the sort of Roman colisseum tunnel romanticism that

535
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Speaker 1: you would have at some other places. But I love

536
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: going there because pregame in the press box. No one

537
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: does it in the Big ten like Ohio State does it.

538
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: Love it. They got McDonald's up there, and I don't

539
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: mean big Max, I mean they got the the iced

540
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: coffee and stuff like that, which I only get when

541
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Speaker 1: I go to Ohio State because I don't really go

542
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: fast food, a whole lot chick filate kind of fast food.

543
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: Michigan State, surprisingly, I was a big fan of Michigan

544
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: State is one of those programs I keep sitting here

545
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: waiting to get good again, so we have reason to

546
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: go up there, just like Wisconsin. I haven't even been

547
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: able to cover a game at Wisconsin, which I hate saying,

548
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: but it is a reality. So data is incomplete on

549
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: that one. Who else am I missing? You see, Lay?

550
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: Actually I have been to a UCLA game. It was

551
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. It's the USC game. It's

552
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. Love the Rose Bowl. You will never

553
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: have me speak ill of the Rose Bowl. Although ironically,

554
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: if you go back to what I was talking about

555
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: how there's a big difference between covering a game somewhere

556
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and attending a game somewhere, apparently the Rose Bowl is that.

557
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: And that's why I always hesitate. Like Klatt will wear

558
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl hat and he'll just sit there and

559
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: he'll plant the flag and he'll say, we need the

560
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: National title game in the Rose Bowl every year. And

561
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: I don't push back on it, like it's an idea

562
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: I can get on board with. The only reason I pause,

563
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: the only reason I don't make it part of my

564
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Speaker 1: platform or whatever. It's because I always hear from fans. Know,

565
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: the Rose Bulls very overrated. You guys in media. You

566
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: don't have to experience what we experience of. The amenities

567
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: are very much out of date. The seats cramped, it's

568
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Speaker 1: impossible to get in and out of there, and those

569
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: things are true, and I don't have to deal with those,

570
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: So I just get to go out there and experience,

571
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Speaker 1: you know, the vibe of the Rose Bowl without the

572
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Speaker 1: reality of it. So I don't really know that I

573
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Speaker 1: can even answer that. I mean, I went to the

574
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Speaker 1: Rose Bowl as a fan, but I was a kid

575
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Speaker 1: when I went out there, so like as a full

576
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: grown adult, I haven't. I haven't had to sit like

577
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Speaker 1: this next to a couple of strangers for four quarters,

578
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: so maybe I would feel different. I don't know. Next

579
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: up would be we got Ohio State. Have not been

580
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Speaker 1: to Minnesota. Oh, here's the one, Iowa. I haven't been

581
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Speaker 1: to a game at Iowa, and that's pretty bad. Got

582
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Speaker 1: to get to a game at Iowa. Thought we were

583
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna get up there. Last year, I can't remember what happened.

584
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: Plants changed at the last minute, but I got to

585
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: go to a game in Iowa because I don't think

586
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Speaker 1: this list is complete, Like some of these other teams

587
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: have sucked and that's why we haven't been there. I

588
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: was been pretty good and we haven't been there. Uh,

589
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: let's see. Oh, here's a good one. Here's a good one.

590
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: This is from let me find him so Sean in Amarillo, Texas.

591
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: He said, did you ever think about becoming a weather man,

592
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: like doing meteorology as a career. I guess, oh yeah,

593
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely I did. For a long time. I thought

594
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I may do that when I was a kid. But

595
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, this is peak Sports Center era,

596
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: this is peak Weather Channel era. This is me staying

597
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: at me Mo's house every day after school or just

598
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: staying there all day in the summer, and I would

599
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: be glued to Sports Center and I would be glued

600
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Speaker 1: to the Weather Channel. Also, remember, if you're of a

601
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,239
Speaker 1: certain age, like if you're in the age bracket that

602
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm in, you may be just old enough to remember

603
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: when Sports Center would run replays like they would do

604
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: the morning Sports Center and then they would just replay

605
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: that sports center and that's certainly not anything they do anymore,

606
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: but I didn't care. I'd watch replays of sports centers

607
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: that I had already watched, but then also on the

608
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Weather Channel. I would just be glued to the Weather

609
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Channel and the personalities on the Weather Channel like Paul

610
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: Goodlow or Jim kne Tory who's still there, Mike Sidel

611
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: or Paul cosen All, like all of these Vivian Brown,

612
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: all of these people were like Linda Cohne, Dan Patrick,

613
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: Stuart Scott. They were tit for tat with me. They

614
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: were yin and yang for me. If you're an on

615
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: air personality at ESPN or you're an on air personality

616
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: at the Weather Channel. Frankly, those were the biggest celebrities

617
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: in the world to me. Like Brad pitt eh Tom Cruise,

618
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Okay whatever. I'm sure they're doing big things, but I

619
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: don't know, guys, There's something about Rich Eisen and Dan Patrick.

620
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: There's there's something about watching Jim Canty knowing that a

621
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: big landfalling hurricane is eminent down there on the Gulf coast.

622
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: There's something about that that really just moves the needle

623
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: more for me. So, yes, I did think about being

624
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Speaker 1: a weather man. To do that, you're going to get

625
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: a degree in atmospheric science in the South, you would

626
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: go to Mississippi State in all likelihood that or maybe

627
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: you would go to Oklahoma for that. So yeah, I

628
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: thought about it. Here's what got me. I looked at

629
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Speaker 1: certain portions of the year, and I thought, man, in summer,

630
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: it kind of gets redundant, like there's not a whole

631
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: lot of action in the winter. You got winter storms

632
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: in the spring, prime tornado season. Summer kind of gets

633
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: monotonous a little bit. It's just Atlanta, Georgia highs in

634
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: the low nineties, isolated scattered thunderstorms in the afternoon, and

635
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be really humid rents and repeat pretty

636
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: much every day for three months. And so I thought

637
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: to myself, that may be a little boring, Whereas if

638
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: I cover sports, there's something happening in sports all year.

639
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: Of course, at the time, I didn't even know that

640
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: you could cover college football year round. So anyway, I'll

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Speaker 1: wrap this up because this has a little to do

642
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Speaker 1: with college football. I will say this, Sorry, my fridge

643
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: is making a weird sound. I will say this. Let's

644
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: not assume that you can't have a career in weather,

645
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: because there are all different ways to have all different

646
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: types of careers these days. So I'll just say February

647
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: has been a very interesting, very busy month. It'll have

648
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this show, but I'm just saying,

649
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: there there's a lot out there, guys, there's a lot

650
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 1: out there. Next up, Oh, here's a really really good question. Okay,

651
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Speaker 1: this was from Seth. Seth in Pensacola, Florida. Give me

652
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: your biggest shock of last year. It had to be Indiana,

653
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: didn't it. Indiana was a big shock, not that they

654
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Speaker 1: were good. Indiana was obviously a big shock of the

655
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Speaker 1: fact that they were dominant. They went and won a

656
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Speaker 1: national championship. I didn't pick that. I don't know that

657
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: many people picked that. So I was thinking immediately, okay,

658
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: well what could rival that? And you could have teams

659
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: that fell off. That's where my mind immediately went. So

660
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: teams that fell off. Three pre season top tens immediately

661
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Speaker 1: come to mind. I mentioned the earlier today. Actually I

662
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Clemson. That was I don't know if shocking would

663
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: be the word. Clemson's season was not more shocking to

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Speaker 1: me than Indiana's. I'm gonna put it that way. So

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00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: what about LSU? LSU? I wasn't shocked by that either,

666
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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly even being fired, I wasn't shocked. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think we did a season preview video about LSU,

668
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Speaker 1: or I at least remember thinking this if we didn't

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Speaker 1: do the video where I thought that, oh, I'm gonna

670
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: put LSU in the top ten. Okay, so just heads up,

671
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: LSU's gonna be in the top ten. However, out of

672
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Speaker 1: all these teams that are going to start top ten,

673
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I circled LSU, and I said, if it goes bad

674
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: early there, that's the one where a head coach could

675
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: be fired in the middle of the season. And sure enough,

676
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: it was almost prophetic. It happened exactly like I thought

677
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the worst case could happen for LSU. But that wasn't

678
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Speaker 1: as shocking as the other one. The way Penn States

679
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: season went last year maybe more shocking to me than

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Speaker 1: the way Indiana season went, because Penn State started preseason

681
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Speaker 1: top ten in many cases of preseason top five, and

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Speaker 1: if you looked at their schedule last year, what did

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Speaker 1: they have? You knew they had Oregon at home early.

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Speaker 1: But remember the build up to that. It was Oregon

685
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: with a young team having to go cross country, it

686
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: was their first big road game, and it was Penn State,

687
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: veteran team in their building. Like every one of the

688
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: chips looked to be stacked against Oregon. This is the

689
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: one in a long line of James Franklin can't win

690
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: the big one moments. This was going to be the

691
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: big one he won and the only other huge hurdle

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Speaker 1: they had. At least in the preseason, it looked this way.

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Speaker 1: The only other big hurdle they were going to have

694
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Speaker 1: was they were going to have to go to Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people, myself included, looked at it

696
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: and said, okay, so all Penn State's got to do

697
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: is basically hold serve at home and they can go

698
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: to Ohio State and lose. But at the worst, this

699
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: is a two loss team. At the very worst, this

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: is a two loss team. The question was how would

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Speaker 1: Penn State miss the playoffs? Now, of course you didn't

702
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: know at the time Indiana was going to be quite

703
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: the force they were, although Penn State still ended up

704
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: playing him close. But point being, if you would have

705
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: told me even in the fall, early fall August, let's

706
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: go preseason. Pick which one will be more shocking, Indiana

707
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: wins a national title or James Franklin is fired. What

708
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: before Halloween? I would have said the latter, especially if

709
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: you told me there's gonna be no scandal, like he's

710
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: not getting fired because some breaking news story erupted. I

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00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: would have thought the ladder was more shocking. And it

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00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: did happen that way, and I stand by it. I

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00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: think the way the Penn State season went down was

714
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: more shocking. Now, maybe the closer you get to the

715
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: Penn State program, maybe there are people on the inside

716
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: there that tell you, you know, in retrospect, this isn't

717
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: all too dissimilar from LSU and Kelly. And by that

718
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: they mean the ice was plenty thick enough to skate

719
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: on and you know, do all kinds of tricks on,

720
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: but it was still thin enough to where if you

721
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: really punched hard, you could fall through it. Whereas at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State right now or at Georgia right now, I mean,

723
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart could punch the ice as hard as he wants,

724
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: He's not fallen through that ice. And they would tell

725
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: you things like that. I just didn't view it that way,

726
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: and I viewed the floor for Penn State to be

727
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: so high. I mean, do you remember when this happened?

728
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: So you remember the Oregon game happened, and you think, Okay, well,

729
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: this is the one they're going to have to regroup.

730
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: If you can't beat Oregon at home. I don't know

731
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Speaker 1: that you're going to Ohio State later in the year

732
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Speaker 1: and winning. So this is going to be a ten

733
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: and two team probably, you know, because the bookends had

734
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: been set, like the bumpers on the bowling lane had

735
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: been set for Penn State. That was just kind of

736
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: who they were as a program. Maybe a lower ceiling,

737
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: maybe a higher floor, not a ton of variants in

738
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: the outcome, at least we thought. And then when they

739
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: went to UCLA the next week and that happened to them.

740
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I can't remember where I was, but I just remember

741
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: looking at the score updates and thinking, First off, I

742
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: was thinking, oh, they got off to a sluggish start,

743
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and then quickly it turned into oh, they're in trouble,

744
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: and then it turned into they lost. I don't really

745
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: know that we're in the bumpers anymore. I don't really

746
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: know that we're we're sort of in the lane anymore.

747
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: I think the ball jumped over into the other lane,

748
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: which happens sometimes. And then Northwestern. I still remember the

749
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: week of the Northwestern game, how toxic it was, and

750
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: you could clearly tell something was changing. And I remember

751
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: saying something like if Northwestern has an opening scoring drive,

752
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: like if Northwestern takes an early lead in this game,

753
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: you have no idea how toxic that environment's going to be.

754
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: And sure enough that happened. And I remember at that point,

755
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: like I caught a glimpse of the TV broadcast and

756
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: I heard what was like, and I saw what it

757
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: was like, and at that point, now I won't tell you,

758
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to get fired. But at

759
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: that point I realized all bets are off and it

760
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me. Nothing would shock me. And then it happened.

761
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: But all in all, that was shocking to me, just

762
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: in totality that had happened. Whereas with Indiana, Indiana had

763
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: made the playoff the year before. Okay, so all Indiana

764
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: needed to do was defy conventional wisdom and be better.

765
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: And that was really going to come down to how

766
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: good Fernando Mendoza was and he was as good as

767
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: he could possibly be. And then the rest of that

768
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: team did what it was supposed to do and they

769
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: geled around him and he never had to carry the team,

770
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: Like I sound like I'm talking about a quarterback carrying

771
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: a team. Even though he won the Heisman, he didn't

772
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: carry the team. But that was that was a big,

773
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: big surprise, the Penn State thing, just the way it

774
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: went down, looking back with shocking and then think about it,

775
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: if you just drive it out further, just let the

776
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: record play a little bit further, then you're telling me.

777
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: James Franklin ends up at Virginia Tech, and everybody feels

778
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: good about it, and they do a really good job

779
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: of putting a roster together, putting a staff together. Brent

780
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: Pry is fired at Virginia Tech and stays at Virginia

781
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Tech as the defensive coordinator under James Franklin, same guy

782
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: who worked at Penn State, and then the Penn State

783
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: coaching search flies around like a pinball, only to land

784
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: in the exact slot it should have landed in at

785
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: the very beginning, which is Matt Campbell. That's a snow

786
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: globe that if you shug it up, you never could

787
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: have predicted where all the flakes were going to fall,

788
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: which is why we love college football. Very unpredictable. Sometimes

789
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: it's not fun, sometimes it is fun. It is always fascinating.

790
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: The most boring college football season in the history of

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: the world was still way more fascinating than most pro

792
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: sport seasons could ever be. To me, That's at least

793
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: the way I look at it. Next, this is Kevin.

794
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: Where was Kevin from? So? Kevin's from LA. He said,

795
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: love the show. I want to ask something. I don't

796
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: mean this disrespectfully. Is there any sacrifice that you feel

797
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: like you have to make in exchange for being owned

798
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: or the show being owned rather by corporate media. If

799
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: the show was owned by corporate media, there would be

800
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: sacrifices that I would have to make. I'm happy to

801
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: report to you, Kevin, nobody owns anything related to our show,

802
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Slash this show, SLASH the YouTube channel, SLASH the podcast feeds.

803
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: Nobody owns any of it. We own all of it.

804
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: We own one hundred and one percent of it, So

805
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: we just kind of get to do what we want

806
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: and then anything above and beyond that. Like I have

807
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: several partnerships, I have a partnership with Yahoo Sports. Love

808
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: those dudes. I have a partnership with ESPM obviously, and

809
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: we want that to go on for a long time

810
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: because that's been really fun have a partnership with on three.

811
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: Shannon Terry was the one who gave me my first

812
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: ever shot to come up here back when he owned

813
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: and ran twenty four to seven Sports, and so like,

814
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: you always want to be in business with the people

815
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, the people you trust. But as far as

816
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: anyone owning anything a few years ago, which I think

817
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: I've told the story several times, a few years ago,

818
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: when I was still over at CBS and we were

819
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: able to negotiate ownership of all of these assets back

820
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: under our umbrella, that is the biggest sigh of relief

821
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: that you could ever have, because at that point, you

822
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: know college football is not going anywhere, and you trust

823
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: that you could do a good college football show. And

824
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: I trust our audience to continue to grow and to

825
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: build our college football show because you and I both

826
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: want the same thing. We want what we can't really

827
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: get or we're not getting anywhere else, which is kind

828
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,959
Speaker 1: of the entire way we built the show and built

829
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: the platform and stuff like that. But you're right, Kevin,

830
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: if we were owned by a corporate entity, Yeah, you

831
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: never know because you never really control what you get

832
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: to say. They could always walk in and they could say, hey,

833
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: we need you to push this, we need you to

834
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: promote that. They could throw branding on your show that's

835
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: out of your control. They could pitch you advertisers that

836
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you don't have right

837
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: of refusal to I've got all that. We don't do

838
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: business with anyone we don't want to do business with.

839
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: We don't talk about anything we don't want to talk about.

840
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's a perfect show obviously, Like we

841
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: whiff just like everyone else. But when we whiff, it's

842
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: just because we whiffed, it's not because someone else made

843
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: us do something. Now, I will say this, I never

844
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: had any issues when the show is at CBS. Tons

845
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: and tons of credit to the folks over there. There

846
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: was never ever a whiff of anyone trying to interfere

847
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: in the show ever. And I would tell you because

848
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't have any incentive to hold that back now never,

849
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: they were very helpful. What I thought is or I

850
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: love the people who are in positions of power at

851
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: CBS right now, I e. Twenty twenty two or twenty

852
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Speaker 1: twenty three. My concern was always I don't know that

853
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Speaker 1: they're here forever. So what if you know Jeff Gertula? Dude,

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Speaker 1: I love. What if Jeff Gertula is out because of

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Speaker 1: corporate restructuring, or what if he elevates and takes another

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Speaker 1: position somewhere and there's someone else in that chair and

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Speaker 1: they don't see things the way he does. That happens

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Speaker 1: just like that in corporate media. It happens just like that,

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Speaker 1: not just in sports corporate media either. So that always

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Speaker 1: was something I wanted to get ahead of, and we

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Speaker 1: were able to get ahead of it, thankfully. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: no sacrifice. Now. The sacrifice is you don't get the

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Speaker 1: benefit of resources that you get like everyone says, ooh

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Speaker 1: corporate ownership, Oh man, such an evil connotation. It has

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Speaker 1: its upsides and its downsides. I can promise you if

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Speaker 1: you have a full operational marketing department, a fully operational

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Speaker 1: sales department, a data department, if you have all those folks,

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Speaker 1: an analytics department, if you have a booking department, if

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about expensing, if you don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about travel, if you don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about lodging, if you don't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: all those expenses, buying your own equipment, and all that's

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Speaker 1: taken care of. So there's a lot of benefit to

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Speaker 1: it too. It's not all bad. It's there's good and

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Speaker 1: then there's fear, more so than there's just good and bad.

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Speaker 1: What else did we have? Well, we had I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to get to this one. I mean, we had

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Speaker 1: one about the coaching rankings the other night. Someone was

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Speaker 1: just given feedback. It was I got a bunch of this,

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Speaker 1: I got a bunch of how could you have Kirby

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Speaker 1: below Ryan Day? And if you don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about. I did my head coaching power rankings, not ratings,

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Speaker 1: power rankings the other day and I had Ryan Day

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Speaker 1: number one, and I explained what my criteria was slash

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Speaker 1: were is it? Criteria? Were? Was criteria I? That's the plural.

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Speaker 1: So my criteria I were that I valued your on

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Speaker 1: field results, and I valued relative talent acquisition. I valued

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Speaker 1: how strong your culture and your organization was, how good

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Speaker 1: your ability to hire a staff was. And then I

890
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Speaker 1: had a little bit of a forward facing like predictive component.

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Speaker 1: Where do I think you're going? And I don't have

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Speaker 1: the numbers right in front of me, but Ryan Day

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Speaker 1: and Kirby have been very comparable in terms of win loss.

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Speaker 1: One of them has won a national title in the

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Speaker 1: last three years. It's it's you know, it's fractions of

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Speaker 1: inches here and there, which is an important thing I'll

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Speaker 1: come back to in a second. And I just gave

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day the nod. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: argue with anyone if they had Signetti number one, because

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Speaker 1: I had Ryan Day, Kirby, Kurt Signetti one, two, three.

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Speaker 1: You could shake up that order and pour it out

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Speaker 1: in any order. I don't really care. My whole point

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Speaker 1: is listen to what I'm saying. I'm saying, Hey, I

904
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Speaker 1: think it's it's you could you couldn't go wrong either way. Here,

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Speaker 1: they're very comparable. It's very close. It's like watching a

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Speaker 1: horse race and three of them are out ahead of

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Speaker 1: the pack and it's down to the wire and oh wow,

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Speaker 1: did the blue and wind I think the red one

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Speaker 1: what no, no, no, it was the yellow one by

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Speaker 1: a nose. And then I get feedback.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this isn't even close. It's like a photo finish,

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Speaker 2: and then oh, it's not even close. Oh Kirby's Ryan

913
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Speaker 2: Day's not even in the same league as Kirby. Well,

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Speaker 2: one of them's into Big ten in the SEC, so

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Speaker 2: that's true. They're technically not in the same league. I

916
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Speaker 2: can assure you in terms of output, they're very close.

917
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Speaker 2: I can assure you in terms of output, they're very comparable.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't want to spend a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: time on that one because we're probably going to get

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Speaker 2: to that one on the Thursday show, which brings me

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Speaker 2: to my next point.

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Speaker 1: I think we're good. What about forty five minutes. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: this will be between thirty minutes in an hour. But

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Speaker 1: we are gonna wrap this one up because I have

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Speaker 1: to get it over to the team so they can

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Speaker 1: put it out. Just wanted to bring the Paid State

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Speaker 1: throughout the spring and summer. Definitely not the offseason, but

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