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Speaker 1: This is Alan Duke for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: We have breaking news about the search for Chase Masner,

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Speaker 1: the Iraqi war vette who vanished more than three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Cold case investigators in Cobb County, Georgia tell us they

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Speaker 1: believed they found Chase Masner sadly dead, buried behind the Kennesaw,

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Speaker 1: Georgia home where he had gone after an argument with

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Speaker 1: his wife in March. Human remains believed to be Masner

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Speaker 1: have been taken from the home to the Medical Examiner's

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Speaker 1: office for examination. Nancy Grace is focused intensely on this case.

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Speaker 1: We've dedicated a dozen Crime Stories episodes to finding Chase Masner,

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Speaker 1: including interviews with his mother, Stephanie, his wife Amanda, and

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Speaker 1: the person known to have last seen him, Brad Clemmens.

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Speaker 1: You can hear those episodes in our Crime Stories feed

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Speaker 1: over the past six months. We will post a full

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Speaker 1: report on the newest developments on our Wednesday podcast and

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Speaker 1: on Nancy's radio show, which will be devoted to the case.

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Speaker 1: So listen on Sirius XM's channel two beginning tomorrow, that's

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Speaker 1: Wednesday at noon Eastern. In the special report, we take

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Speaker 1: you back to a morning last March, when Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: armed only with her iPhone, knocked on an Atlanta, Georgia

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Speaker 1: motel room door where Brad Clemens was then living. Although

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Speaker 1: startled to see Grace at his door at eight am,

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Speaker 1: Brad let her inside and for ninety minutes, she sat

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Speaker 1: on his bed grilled Brad about what he knew. Now,

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Speaker 1: Cold case detectives tell us it was this interview that

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Speaker 1: gave them valuable clues leading back to the house where

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Speaker 1: Brad once lived. Tracking dogs told them to dig with

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Speaker 1: this knowledge. It's enlightening to again listen to what Brad

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Speaker 1: Clemens told Nancy Grace that morning. Do you think he's dead?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I hope that he's not,

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Speaker 1: But really I don't know. Like I I've you know,

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Speaker 1: I've wondered about it. And you know, the last time

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Speaker 1: that I was with him, like I hardly knew them, really,

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Speaker 1: like I met him maybe three or four times. I thought,

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Speaker 1: you sent over to their house. No, I've been over

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Speaker 1: to their house, like after all this happened, Like I

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Speaker 1: or a pool table or something. No. Never, that was

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Speaker 1: when um, what's her name, Amanda? Amanda called and asked

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Speaker 1: me to come over there and like talked to her,

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Speaker 1: and I went over there with my dog like you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to her about all this, and like it was

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Speaker 1: kind of, um, kind of odd me being over there,

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Speaker 1: and because you only need her three chimes, right, and

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Speaker 1: I never really you know, talked to just her, and

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Speaker 1: it was, you know, I kept hearing all these you know,

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Speaker 1: like about her and like his friends and stuff when

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Speaker 1: he made her and his friends. I don't throw her

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't are you saying that she's up around?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the world. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: and was like, hey, can you bring me some pop

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Speaker 1: But um, that could be part of the reason she

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Speaker 1: note here, Chase's wife, Amanda Masner talked extensively to Nancy

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Speaker 1: he I also caught him like cross dressing and he

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Speaker 1: What does he do? I mean, we just sit there

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you know, it's okay. What most

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Speaker 1: nobody knows and I'm just like that odd piece. To

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Speaker 1: see him and his disappearance doesn't make sense, but in

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Speaker 1: a way it does. If he kept telling people who's

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Speaker 1: gonna leave and get live in the woods? Are you

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Speaker 1: sure about that? Yeah? That was I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: well known to you. I'm pretty sure I mean that

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Speaker 1: that he said that. I think his mom, who knows that, Like,

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Speaker 1: how badly do you think he had Amanda were fighting?

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Speaker 1: I mean bad enough to where they she would just

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Speaker 1: and um, you know that was Do you think he

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Speaker 1: would actually leave his children? I didn't, you know, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have thought that. No, But I mean, and I could

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Speaker 1: say somebody leaving their wife if they fought all the time.

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Speaker 1: But the children, that's the thing. That's a where I

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Speaker 1: don't buy him going into the woods because I don't

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Speaker 1: think he would have left those children. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that he would have left for a significant

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Speaker 1: period of time, but I definitely a short period of time.

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Speaker 1: And just to kind of that was a relationship between

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Speaker 1: him and his mother, I don't know because she says

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Speaker 1: he always called her back, he always texted her back,

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Speaker 1: and that says she knew something was wrong. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really know his mom, Like I never met his mom,

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Speaker 1: and like he said, I only met him a handful

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Speaker 1: of time tally. Okay, when you take a polygraph with me?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to take a polygraph? Yes? Not

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Speaker 1: sitting right here, I'll set one up and just put

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Speaker 1: the whole of undrest. I mean, I can if that's

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Speaker 1: what it takes, but it's just it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: They're not hard at all. I mean because now and

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Speaker 1: I really live kind of Beth. Despite that promise and

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Speaker 1: our efforts to hold into it, Brad Clements never took

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Speaker 1: a polygraph test. Watch for our Wednesday update on finding

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