1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori, and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: out employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: You are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week, this 16 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: is the place you go to when you want to 17 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: know what's going on out there when it comes to 18 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary, from angels to aliens, shadow 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: people to hat man. We want to hear your stories. 20 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: We do want to hear your research. We want to 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: hear your comments, so I welcome you the listener to 22 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: go to my main website, which is a shadow folks 23 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com and fill out 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the form there and tell me what's going on in 25 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: your life and I will address it here on this program. 26 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: Or if you want to give some advice on what 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: it is that you've experienced, put it out there. And 28 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: I always welcome people to reach out if they'd like 29 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: to be a gust on this show and to share directly. 30 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: I find a lot of people prefer to send the 31 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: emails and it always surprises me, but hey, I love 32 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: reading these emails, so I do not mind. And you know, 33 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: more recently, I had a surprise email from someone who 34 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: I know from the past that, my goodness, I knew 35 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: him way back in the beginning when I first started 36 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: looking into my personal experiences when it came to seeing UFOs, 37 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: And that is going to be my guest today and 38 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm so excited and I hope that you guys will 39 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: all enjoy this very on the level direct conversation about 40 00:02:53,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: alien contact and alien abductions. And wow, you know, it 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: was so raw back then. I had joined a group 42 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: because I saw some major UFOs and I would always 43 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: talk about it, and I'm like, you know, just really 44 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: just in my face and answering type of UFOs in 45 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: the sky, like who has this? Why would a UFO 46 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: show up when I requested it? Why would they be 47 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: interacting the way that they were and giving me this 48 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: sense of almost comfort out there? It's like, but that 49 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: seems so strange to even say that. So in talking 50 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: to friends and being nothing less than frank about it, Uh, 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: one of my friends happened to be doing somebody's hair, 52 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: a client. She was a beautician, and uh, he was 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: talking about going to this meeting, and she's like, you're 54 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: kidding me. I have a friend that's witnessed some things, 55 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: but a little did she know that this group had 56 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot to do with those who were actually interacting 57 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: with beings more than what I was experiencing, which were 58 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: the UFOs and interactions with them in that way. So 59 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I long story short, I got the information from that friend, 60 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: and I reached out to the coordinator of the group, 61 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: who was a psychologist and just so happened to have 62 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of clients who we're having traumatic events in 63 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: their life just kind of take over, and they weren't 64 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: exactly understanding how things were hitting them to the core 65 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: of them where they were actually having PTSD symptoms. And 66 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: not until they got hypnotically regressed by this therapist did 67 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: they come to find that it was all connected to 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: interactions with aliens and it didn't just limit itself to 69 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: the gray beings. And for those of you who do 70 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: not know, great alien beings grabbing, abducting people, and these 71 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: are small child size like creatures and maybe three or 72 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: four ft tall, big black almond shaped eyes, two slits 73 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: for nostrils and one slit for a mouth, and a 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: big balbous bald heads, small and significant bodies, not much 75 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: contour to their muscles, and they seem kind of like 76 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: worker bees. They don't seem to have a lot of 77 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: emotions to them, and oftentimes they seem to take the 78 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: orders from another being, sometimes another taller gray or what 79 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: looks like a Nordic. So there's like this interaction that 80 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: goes on between the beings. Two and a lot of 81 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: the folks at this UFO meeting, and I finally was 82 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: allowed to join. It's so funny they they thought that 83 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I was a news reporter. We don't allow journalists. I'm like, okay, 84 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: and we don't allow this and we don't allow that. 85 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know why this is being 86 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: pointing to my direction. I was just college kid, just 87 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: really articulate and expressing myself and my interests in the 88 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: things that I had experienced. But I wasn't a client 89 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: of this therapist, so perhaps, you know, being protective of 90 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: those in her group who had experienced things, which you know, 91 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: that's great because I know that a lot of people 92 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: then and still now want to just gawk at those 93 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: who have experienced these odd things and just taken notes 94 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: and write ever report, to write a book and yeah, 95 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: just that that type of thing. So it goes on 96 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: a lot. And uh so I got into this group, 97 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: and you know, they kind of would around the room, 98 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, not just so excited and and say you know, 99 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: and what have you experienced and tell us what your 100 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: name is and what have you experience? You know, and 101 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: got to me and I'm like I saw u phos 102 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: and and they're all like waiting, okay, and and I'm 103 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: like they were big and uh they responded to me 104 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: and like to describe the ships that I told them 105 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: my circumstances. UM, one of them being the really huge 106 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: one downtown Milwaukee. It was almost like a plasma. I 107 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: felt like it was a live huge I always say 108 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: three football fields in length, but I would say it was. 109 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: It was a lot bigger than that. I mean, it 110 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: just took up the entire sky and it seemed to pulse, 111 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: and it seemed to pull me to look its way 112 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: when it was at a distance. So just just fabulous signing, 113 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Just really cool. And I was with a friend and 114 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: another one. Um it answered me when I told them 115 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: to show up, and it did and then just streaked 116 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: the sky where I was and lit it up like 117 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: a Christmas tree. Just tremendous. And growing up in the countryside, 118 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I had so many lights and dots that were following 119 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: me and pulsate and UM, I had so many electronic 120 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: things that would go on in my life. I just 121 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I had so many odd things that were kind of personal, 122 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: and I guess didn't quite fit in with everybody in 123 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: the group, but I sure did learn a lot from 124 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: the folks that were there. They all had what were 125 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: no less than horribly abusive experiences. When it came to graze. 126 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: Nordic military people US government looking just like your eye, 127 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: dressed in their fatigues and uh, standing right alongside of 128 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: what looked like an alien. And of course there's those 129 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: reports that perhaps this was the government actually performing these 130 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: types of experiences for people and making it seem like 131 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: they were being abducted by aliens when they actually weren't. 132 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, there were also those who had experiences with 133 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: praying mantis looking creatures and pretty darned close to the 134 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: typical praying mantis, and I heard stories of some that 135 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: were like two feet tall too, over six ft tall, 136 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: can you imagine? I mean, those things are not cute 137 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: on this planet. But to see something that big, no, no, no, no, 138 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: not not pleasant. So I listened to the horror and 139 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: the terror of what it was people were experiencing. And 140 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I had bought a couple of books on the topic 141 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: of UFOs and alien abductions. By that time, I was 142 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: an avid reader, and I just loved reading these stories, 143 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: so it wasn't like brand new to me. But it 144 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: was weird to sit there and to hear people speak 145 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: very matter of factly about these things, and I was 146 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I was of course humbled and honored that they let 147 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: me in there too, listen and talk. And I didn't 148 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: think I had a whole lot in common with the folks, 149 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: and I really was on the fence of really understanding 150 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: what was going on, especially when there was a shift 151 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: in the conversation. And when I say shift, I mean 152 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: from those who wanted to sleep with a gun under 153 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: their bed and pillow and some that did UH to 154 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: speaking very violently about what they wanted to do to 155 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: these beings and tears and the heartache and the scars 156 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: physical scars that people would have, and the mental scars 157 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: and the abuse. All of a sudden, the conversation changed to, well, 158 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: they're not so bad. I I'm special. I agreed to 159 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: this to be going on with me, And I'm like, 160 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: what it was weird because I wasn't part of the 161 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: crowd of folks that had these understandings, and I was 162 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: really really just baffled by a lot of it. But 163 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: what was interesting soon after I joined I had a black, 164 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: unmarked helicopter hanging over my home. I felt like quite 165 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: violated because I heard the folks they're speaking to these 166 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: types of aerial harassment. UM. I had what was called 167 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Census Bureau people trying to hound me and my family 168 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: and friends to ask me very strange questions on a 169 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: very official level that just didn't seem quite appropriate for 170 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: a college kid. Um. And when they lost shack of me, 171 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: they started sounding rather threatening to those that I know 172 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: that they were approaching. So and it turned out several 173 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: of people there in the group had the same type 174 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: of people coming at them, so I didn't think I 175 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: had a lot in common with them, and then I 176 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: found that. And then I got pretty much an invasion 177 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: of gray alien beings in my apartment. And that's my 178 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: famous story if you guys haven't heard it, Oh my goodness, um, 179 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: where I had pretty much nine gray beings come into 180 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: my place and I picked one up and and I 181 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: kind of shook it and then offered it something to 182 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: snack on. Um. It's it's a strange story. So I 183 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: know I've said it here on this podcast and you'll 184 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: have to scroll back to to listen to that program, 185 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: because my goodness, really something else. But but yeah, so 186 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: I have a lot of crazy experiences, um that didn't 187 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: quite amount to what it was people are experiencing in 188 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: this group. But I started to feel because I was 189 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: part of this group, they started happening my way in 190 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: a different way, and a lot of things became more 191 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: clearly revealed to me and my life, not being an 192 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: alien abductee, but definitely having some contacts that were not 193 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: quite of this world. And so my guests that's coming 194 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: up here after the break is William del Morale, and 195 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: he is a wonderful human being, an artist, and he's 196 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: going to share his personal encounters and how he tackled 197 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: his alien abduction phenomenon that was going on in his life. 198 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: And you're really gonna love this story and find a 199 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: lot of things that you may be able to relate to. 200 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, so stick around after the break. You guys 201 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis 202 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 203 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network. 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You're listening to the I Heart Radio 214 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network, heard on 215 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 216 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. Welcome back. You are listening to 217 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis on the I 218 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network. Today. 219 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: Joining me is William del Morale, who is a visual 220 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: artist who was born in Puerto Rico and then raised 221 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He has a b f A and 222 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Masters and practiced as an art therapist for many years. 223 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: William has now ventured into paintingful time in his four 224 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Arts arts studio, and he is an experiencer of many 225 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: phenomena and wanted to join me today to share about 226 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: some of his experiences when it came to Ailien abduction 227 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: and and overcoming that. Now, William is somebody that I've 228 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: known for a while, so you guys will really enjoy 229 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: this conversation. So I'd like to welcome William del morat. 230 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: How are you doing, William? I'm doing great. Nice to 231 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: uh chat with you again, Heidi. Has been a long 232 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: time since from Tough, but it's a it's good to 233 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: talk with you. Yeah, yeah, oh gosh, life has been 234 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: interesting since we last connected. But uh, you know, a 235 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that you are somebody that 236 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: I've known over the years and the circles of folks 237 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: who have experienced a lot of different phenomena and uh wow, 238 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: growing experience to say the least, wouldn't you say, Yeah, 239 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: I definitely agree with that. Yeah, goodness, And I wanted 240 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, I always tell people they're welcome to come 241 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: on this show to share their experiences and how they 242 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: deal with it and how they grow with it, defeat 243 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: it whatever it is. And but I think it's important 244 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: to uh a bit of your background about who you are, 245 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: what you do, and some of the things that you've experienced, 246 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: and why you contacted me to come on the show. Okay, Um, 247 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a quick backrun. I'm an artist, Um, 248 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: I have a bachelor's well feel cover this, but I'm 249 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: an artist and I'm I'm an art therapist. I did 250 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: art therapy for roughly ten years. I taught for a 251 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: couple of semesters, and I'm transitioning not to just being 252 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: a full time artist, but I'm also you know, an experiencer. 253 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: And it's something that always, um, it's always around, you know, 254 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: it's not it's not something that you go through at once, 255 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: and it disappears these is not for me? Right? Well, 256 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: how did you know you were an experiencer at first? 257 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, what what let you know that something was 258 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: going on in your life that was really different? Oh 259 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: my goodness, I tell you I was. I was actually 260 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: going to go on a date and pick up the 261 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: girl I was gonna see. And as I'm pulling off 262 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: the driveway, I'm sorry, off the freeway. You know those 263 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: signs you know for left and right turn. They're white 264 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: and black, and one of them, as I approached, it 265 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: became the face of an alien and I was like, what, 266 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: oh what just happened? What was that? So? Um? After that, 267 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: I searched out a support group because I started having 268 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: a lot of experiences that were really horrible to say 269 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: the least. I mean they were they were pretty traumatic. 270 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: I remember like thinking that I was going to die 271 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: in one of them because my I could feel my 272 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: heart literally pounding out of my chest and I was like, 273 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna kill me. I'm gonna die here. And so 274 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: I wand up searching for a support group and I 275 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: want to be at the time and the rest is history. 276 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: And that's where I met you right there, and and 277 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: I joined, Yes, and I joined the group because I 278 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: had seen some major UFOs that that was it that. 279 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I go there and I'm like, oh, cool 280 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: people that have seen things. But everybody was an ex 281 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: variants are on such a deeper level, and I was 282 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: glad to see another uh and i'mould just call it 283 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: as it is another brown person walk in the doors 284 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: and as like my age, and like, yes, this is awesome. 285 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: You know. I was like, oh goodness, I get to 286 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: talk to somebody and relate. So it was really really 287 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: nice that we connected right away. And uh so so 288 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: you started having experiences, you saw a sign change into 289 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: an alien face, and did you want to go into 290 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: an experience and tell us like what it was that 291 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: you experienced stuff? For well, you know, several times, Imber 292 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: I I would just like wake up from a dream 293 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: into another dream. That's almost how I can describe it. 294 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: But you know, when you have those really deep experiences, 295 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: you know they're not a dream. They have a totally 296 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: different feel. You wake up from pains from it, you know, 297 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: like if you if you have a pain there, you 298 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: wake up and you still have to ask or effects 299 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: of it. And you know, during one of them, I 300 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: was just on the ship looking back at the planet 301 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: and there were two um gray beings and they asked 302 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: me to look through what looked like a telescope looking 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: down at the planet. And when I looked at it, 304 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: it literally sucked me into it. So it kind of 305 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: became like a tunnel that sucked my soul or sucked 306 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: me into it. I was hard to describe this. It's 307 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: such an ethereal thing to happen, you know. But you know, 308 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't soon after that that I started having experiments 309 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: performed on me and I will wake up, you know. 310 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: One time I woke up bleeding, and it's just they 311 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: were just really frightening. I remember thinking that I was 312 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: literally going crazy. I was like, oh, this this is 313 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: what it's like to go crazy. I'm going crazy, And yeah, 314 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: so having gone to a support group, that's really helpful. 315 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: But it was also disturbing because you know that when 316 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: sometimes when you go to support groups, um, they're they're 317 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: they're always talking, and you know a lot of people 318 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: talk about like, oh, how great my experience was, or 319 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, they're still loving and they're so so great 320 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and all of this, and I'm like, well, that's not 321 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: what I'm going through. You know, it's like where are 322 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: those guys? Because yes, I'll go with you if you 323 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: like that. But yeah, it was promatic and and I 324 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: tell you it took me years to to kind of 325 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: like find a balance to reintegrate myself into society where 326 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: I could function in a you know where I function well, 327 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, like knowing that I'm one step here and 328 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: one step there. But it took a while for me 329 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: to find that balance. Yeah makes sense. I mean I 330 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: joined the group before you did, and a lot of 331 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: the people sounded much like you. They were all terrorized 332 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: and terrified. And and then there was a shift. There 333 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: was a shift. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, there 334 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: was a shift and all of a sudden, well these 335 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: guys aren't so bad. I'm like what And yeah, it 336 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: totally changed, and I was confused, Like you said, you 337 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: would shoot these things if you had the chance, and 338 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: now it's okay, they took your kid. So yeah, it was. 339 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: It was odd to see so you came in when 340 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: people were on the up end of the upswing to 341 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: say this is all good and and you're like, whoa 342 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: hold on here, right, I'm like, I'm not going through 343 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: that same experience, and you know, it was it was 344 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: just so such a weird, uh thing to go through 345 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and to have somebody said, well, you know, it was 346 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: really traumatic for me in the beginning, but now it's good. 347 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: Now it's great because now I can do this and 348 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: I can do that, and and I remember thinking I 349 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: can already do that. I don't need them to like 350 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: do anything for me to be able to do that. 351 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's like they're not getting anything. There's that 352 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: is your ability. You were born with that. You know, 353 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: God gave you that right. They're not doing anything that 354 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: God didn't give you. Yeah, So how did you come 355 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: to terms with it? Like, especially with your family and 356 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: and others are friends and stuff and co workers, how 357 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: did you to integrateing you know, Um, I kept that secret. 358 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: I kept a secret. I mean, my family knew that 359 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: I that I was really interested in it and I 360 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: was very curious about it, and that I went to 361 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: a group, but I never really discussed to them what 362 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: was happening on almost a daily basis at times, you know, 363 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: so co workers, I never told because you know, when 364 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: you when you have such powerful private things happening you, 365 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: you have to be careful who you choose to share 366 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: it with, you know. Yeah, yeah, I always tell people. 367 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: It's like imagine fighting for your life and being lucky 368 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: to have survived it, and then going to work the 369 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: next day and having to pretend it didn't happen. I 370 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: mean that, oh yeah. And I remember going to college 371 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: and walking I was actually walking to a psychology class 372 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: and and and in the process of walking, I was 373 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: having such a hard time grounding myself in in the 374 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: present moment, you know. I was like, Okay, I'm here, 375 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm here. I'm experiencing this, not something else, 376 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: you know. And then going to one of the lectures, 377 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: and one of the big lectures at at the big 378 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: university here, and they were just covering, you know, um 379 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: things that delusions that people have, and one of them 380 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: was the Elien topic and I was like, well, this 381 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: is interesting, what what's wow? Yeah yeah yeah. And even 382 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: when I was working as a professional, I had a 383 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: client who came in and he was just detailing all 384 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: these things, and I was like, what is the best 385 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: way to work with you without making you vulnerable to 386 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: these things? You know, it's a it's just a big thing, 387 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: and it's like we need to address it as a species, 388 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: you know. It's like we need to come together on 389 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: this and we need to face it, and we need 390 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: to prep ourselves for it. Truly, truly, I mean it 391 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: is a it has been a struggle. I mean for myself, 392 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: I I didn't have any memories of having been abducted 393 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: or anything like that, luckily, but I always was sympathetic 394 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: to those who have these stories that would come in 395 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: and but they confused me though too, because I didn't 396 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: understand a whole lot of the conflicting nature, um the 397 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: inner workings of it, you know. I mean people were struggling, 398 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: They're trying to find the right answers. And you can't 399 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: blame people for wanting to be okay, if they felt helpless, 400 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: you know, no, absolutely not. And you know what I 401 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: discovered during that initial processing, those first years, I discovered 402 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: that I was in contact with two different types of 403 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: beings and I'm not going to describe them physically because 404 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't have a good recall on that. I don't 405 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: know that the grades were involved, I do, I don't 406 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: know all that the taller gray wasn't involved. That I 407 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: almost killed and I want to get you know, we 408 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: can get into that later. And I know that there 409 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: was a reptilian involved to try to kill me and 410 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: he almost succeeded. Um, wow, yeah, it's deep. Well, well yeah, 411 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: let's let's dive a little bit deeper into that right 412 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: after the break here and uh find out what's what's 413 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: been happening. So you guys, you're listening to Dark Becomes 414 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 415 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Stick around, 416 00:25:49,359 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 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You are listening to Dark 435 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 436 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, and 437 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: joining me today is William del Morale. He is someone 438 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: that I have known for quite some time, way back 439 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: in the beginning when I first started going to UH 440 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: those who have witnessed aliens and UFOs and UH. He 441 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: came in the door and we connected right away and 442 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: He's had so many different types of experiences. It's been 443 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: absolutely mind boggling. And you were just about to uh 444 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: go into a bit more detail on what it is 445 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: that you've experienced with some of these different beings Williams. 446 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: So feel free, let's dive on in. Yeah, well a 447 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: lot of it. You know. Like I mentioned before the break, 448 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: they were not good experiences, and I thought that I 449 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: was going to lose my mind because of this. And finally, 450 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: one day, um, I could tell, I could feel that 451 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: they were gonna visit. I went to sleep like I 452 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: always do, and I woke up and uh in what 453 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: seemed like a ship, it was definitely an examining room, 454 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: and I was frozen. I couldn't move, and this taller 455 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: grade was upset with me. And I call her her 456 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: because her energy was it seemed like she had more 457 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: feminine energy than anything else. And she was telepathically, are 458 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: you in with me? That I had agreed to uh 459 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: do these experiments? And I was saying no, I did, 460 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: and no. I kept saying no, repeating no, no, no, 461 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: and she kept insisting. And what happened was that she 462 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: moved and when she moved her arm, it shocked me. 463 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Out of my frozen state that they put you in there, 464 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, they they they're able to freeze and connect, 465 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: freeze the brain to disconnected from the body somehow, so 466 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: you can't move. But her movement of her arm directly 467 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: in front of my eyes just shocked me because it 468 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: was so insect like, and that jolted me out of that. 469 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: They stayed and went out. When I was jolted like that, 470 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: I just prayed. I was like, Jesus, please send me 471 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: some light and and and help me get these things 472 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: away from me. And I just called in his name 473 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: three times and there was and there was such a 474 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: powerful download of light energy that came into me that 475 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep for two days afterwards because I was 476 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: so charged up. But m yeah, but what happened was 477 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: I immediately reached out and grabbed her face and released 478 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: the energy into her face. And my intention was to 479 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: kill it. It really was. I mean, I felt in 480 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: danger for my life and my intention was to kill it. 481 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: And surprisingly to me, she screamed in my head for mercy, 482 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: and then she screamed mercy through her mouth and I 483 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: had never seen her mouth, and I she had a 484 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: tiny mouth and little tiny teeth, and I released her 485 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: and she slumped on the table, and at that moment, 486 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: the other what I guess, the other Grace, but I 487 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: called like the worker race. They freaked out and some 488 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: like we're trying to get out of the vicinity. And 489 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: at that point I was just like literally like directing 490 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: energy at them and pushing them out like through the wall, 491 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: not like breaking the wall, but like you know how 492 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: they're able to walk through walls and stuff like that. 493 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: Was just like just that just released them in and 494 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: shot all this energy into them, and they all like disappeared. 495 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: And then I wound up waking up like almost like 496 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: slamming into my body and like waking up being like wow. 497 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: But then I was like super charged up, and I 498 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: was just so grateful that you know, you called Jesus 499 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: his name and bonds like that, and just just the 500 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: fact that I was able to get out of that. 501 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I I I really thought they were going 502 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: to kill me. I was like, you're gonna kill me. 503 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna die of a heart attack. I remember back 504 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: then when that had happened to you, and it was 505 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: not something spoke of much back then at all. Using 506 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: Jesus name to get rid of aliens? What on earth? 507 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, it's amazing that now I'm happy to 508 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: hear it more often. But a you're you're pretty much 509 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: testimony to it how well it worked. I mean, in 510 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: the face of an alien, in the face of an alien. Yeah, 511 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: and it makes me, it makes me it totally through 512 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: that whole system that I was being initiated into into, 513 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: going well, why the hell with the name of Jesus 514 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: pushed them away? You know, where are they coming from, 515 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: what are they exactly? What is your point of origin? 516 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: And if you're some kind of cyberry who's programming you? 517 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: You know, like all of those things. It's like there's 518 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: a lot to consider here. And I mean I I 519 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: myself even troubled with that after the after the fact, 520 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, like the nixt night, well maybe maybe one 521 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: or two nights later, there was just a an incredible 522 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: presence outside of um. I was living with my sister 523 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: at the time, outside of her back door, and I 524 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: remember just that dark energy that was right there, and 525 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, if you come in here, one of 526 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: us is gonna die. Because I was still in that 527 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: holy light. I was like, if you come in here, 528 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: one of us it's gonna die. And I'm not inviting 529 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: you in. You're not invited m And I think that's something. Um. 530 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: People also have to be very aware of that these 531 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: things manipulate and lie to us to get access to us. 532 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: You know, there is some kind of universal law where 533 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: they can't do it on their own unless somehow in 534 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: our will, in our mind, when you say come in, 535 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: we say yes, I will help you, but without knowing 536 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: exactly what that means. That means that they're gonna, you know, 537 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: do some serious experiments on you, and they're gonna hurt 538 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: you and exactly. I just yeah, I just think that 539 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: there needs to be a strong awareness of like, do 540 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: not invite them in. If you're challenging them, that's an invitation. 541 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, if you say, well, I'm not afraid of you, 542 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: that's an invitation. You know, you have to make a 543 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: very clear sentiment of not allowing any of this. And 544 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: it's interesting how they try to convince you of it. No, 545 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: no recalls the agreement. It's like, hold on, hold on, 546 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: if that was it written in gold or whatever blood, 547 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: why are you having to remind me then? Why? And 548 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: I And seriously, I'm like, no, I didn't, And even 549 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: if I did, I'm not I didn't agree to having 550 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: this kind of a thing's happening to me where you're 551 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: when you're sitting these great things on me that have 552 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: no soul and have no empathy and have no feelings, 553 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, that's that's a terrifying concept. Can 554 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: you imagine an AI life form without empathy? That's a psychopath? Yeah, 555 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: And it was right then at that time. So I've 556 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: talked a bit on this show about the contact that 557 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: I had with my college roommates Samantha and the being 558 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: that spoke through her and told us used Jesus name 559 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 1: at these beings, they won't like it. It's like, come 560 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: on now, really, like really and and and for it 561 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: to work, like you were like, uh, you were like 562 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: the first I think that tried it and it was 563 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: like it was amazing, It was amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's um. 564 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: I'm just so grateful. I'm so grateful. Yea. Was that 565 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: like the end of their onslaught or did they keep 566 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: trying at later times? Keep trying at later times? And 567 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: it's really fascinating because they always did it in times 568 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: of my life when I was about to improve my life, 569 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, like when I was 570 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: in I wand up going to grad school to become 571 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: an art therapist, and so they will show up like 572 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: during finals, you know, like a high pressure time like that, 573 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: and I just um, one of them showed up once 574 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: and in my apartment and I was like, I totally 575 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm not dealing with you. We don't have anything to 576 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: talk about. And I asked for the name of the 577 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: female tall gray and they were like, she's not in 578 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: this she's not in this project anymore. And I was like, oh, okay, 579 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: well I have nothing to say to you, going wow, 580 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: are you serious? Like this is news to me. I 581 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: got goose bumps, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this happened. 582 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: And I don't remember. I don't recall her name right now. 583 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: I I somehow knew it, but I've forgotten it in time. 584 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: But I was like, well, let me talk to what 585 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: such a stuff. And they were like, she's not hear anyone, 586 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: she's not working here him. I was like, okay, well 587 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say. Do you go away? 588 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: She moved to upper management. Huh. You know. The only 589 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: the other time where I had to like really like 590 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: hold my ground. Was one day they showed me a 591 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: hybrid and they told me that it was my daughter. 592 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: And I was very conflicted, of course, because I want 593 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: to nurture this daughter. But then what that meant, and 594 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: I knew that's what it meant. That meant that I 595 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: would have to be they would have to have access 596 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: to me. Oh let's see what I'm saying. Yeah, it 597 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: was like it meant that they would have to have 598 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: access to me, and I was and I decided, I 599 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm sorry, I'm not under a tree. 600 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: And I was, you know, carry that guilt for a 601 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: very long time. And I even named her like she 602 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: has a name that I've given her, and but um no, 603 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: I would not grant them bad access because they will 604 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: take advantage. How sneaky and backhanded? What yeah, blackmailed, That's 605 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: that's amazing. But what what a keen perception to have 606 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: to know that they were dangling that carrot in front 607 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: of you, like, you know, you get to see her 608 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: if you let us have access to you. Again, that's 609 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: and I had to I remember at that time thinking, 610 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: you really have to trust in these other beings that 611 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: I hear doing positive things, because they are doing that 612 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: that they will take care of this situation because I can, 613 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 1: because if I do, I'm not going to be well. 614 00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be well. Wow, that's amazing. So 615 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about some of these other 616 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: more positive experiences and what you've done today so you're 617 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: not susceptible to such things. So we'll get to that 618 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 1: after the break. You guys are listening to Dark That 619 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: Comes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 620 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Stick around, hey, folks, 621 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: Producer Tom here reminding you to make sure and check 622 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: out our official Coast to Coast AM YouTube channel. 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Hey, 639 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: it's George and Ori, and thank you for listening to 640 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 641 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Here we go with more Dark Becomes Light 642 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: with Heidi Hollis. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark 643 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 644 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And 645 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: I have my guest William del Morale. He was speaking 646 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: of several of his experiences and his understandings of what's 647 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: going on and how better to protect himself. And I 648 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: wanted to get into something before we talk about how 649 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: you protect yourself and the more positive things going on 650 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: in your life. Um, I want to talk about you 651 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: mentioned having a reptilian ailien experience, and I wanted to 652 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: dive into that first before we get to the other parts. Yeah, 653 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: that was that was pretty dark. That was terrifying. That's 654 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 1: pretty dark. Um. I had during this period, the initial 655 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: period when we were I was first going to that 656 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: group with where do you attended? And Satha and Samantha 657 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: attended and all these other people I had while I 658 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: was sleeping, a huge I mean huge reptilian and I'm 659 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: talking it's just just massive. It's like it's like, you know, 660 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: I met Luther Ignorance and his hand was so big 661 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: it was almost like out a hand and a half 662 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: of mine, you know, like just powerful big. And he 663 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: was behind by me and he was he had his 664 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: hands on my head and he was twisting my neck 665 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: and he was trying to break my neck. And I 666 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: remember that when I felt that pain, my my hands 667 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: immediately shot up and grabbed his forms to pull his 668 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: hands away from my from my head. And his forms 669 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: were massive, his wrists were massive. I just dated ass 670 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: with all my strength and I managed to break that connection. 671 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: And then I woke up and my hands were turning 672 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,959 Speaker 1: my head. My hands were turning my head and trying 673 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: to break my neck. This thing somehow controlled my body 674 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: where it was using it to hurt me in that way, 675 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: to literally get me. Who stopped me in that way? Yeah, terrible, nasty, nasty, nasty, 676 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: just nasty. But things have have changed for the better. 677 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: And but you had an experience just a few years ago. 678 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: I did. I had an experienced um about three years ago. 679 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: While I was meditating, I had alien show up and 680 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: it was it wasn't quite great type of the ellien. 681 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't a gray, but it was like a white 682 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: skin and showed up, you know, like like they always 683 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: do where they pressed her eyes directly into your face 684 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: and it almost feels like you're it feels like you're 685 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: falling into a void because so you see, it's just 686 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: that black necks and dark night. But it did that, 687 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: and I said, pulled away. I was like, nope, you 688 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: don't have permission and you don't have access. And then 689 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: it got up really quickly walked away, and my daughter 690 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: said down and she's like a fully grown human looking daughter, 691 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: very beautiful, curly hair, green eyes, just just a lovely 692 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: looking human being. And she wanted to present me her daughter. 693 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: I met my grandmother my granddaughter. Wow. Yeah. And I 694 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: remember just talking and you know, telling her that I 695 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: was open to me. I don't know what happened that 696 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: she wound up being okay, which I'm so extremely grateful for. 697 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, the good years have somehow 698 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: managed to get her and protected her somehow. You know. 699 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: I just I left it to her where I was like, well, 700 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: I am open to connecting with you, but I set conditions, 701 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: you know. I was like, well, this is the conditions 702 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:23,760 Speaker 1: that I'm setting. No no manipulation, no lying, no um experiments, 703 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: those kind of things. But but since then that that 704 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,720 Speaker 1: was the last contact I've had with so you felt 705 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: she was somehow protected or yeah, I did. I felt 706 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: somehow that she she had been protected from the moment 707 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, like let you go back to when I 708 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,240 Speaker 1: first met her, where they wanted me to like provide 709 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: her with nurturing and all this stuff, and I was like, 710 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm not giving you access to me, okay, And that 711 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: the daughter seemed pretty normal, like would pass for human, Yeah, 712 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: she could pass for human. Um, you seemed pretty al much. 713 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: She didn't seem that she was coming here though. It 714 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: was almost like she was heading someplace else. And she 715 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: had her own daughter, and they were going to hit 716 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: someplace else wherever there is another I have a very 717 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: strong suspicion that because there is another human population someplace else, 718 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're earth links from here 719 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: or just humans that they have produce and are someplace 720 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: else highbreds maybe hybreds, Yeah, yeah, and there. I don't know. 721 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: That's just a very strong sense that I have. So 722 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: what do you tell people who are going through anything 723 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: that's remotely close to what you've gone through? Uh? And 724 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: as a therapist when you see cases that might kind 725 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: of dance close to what it is that you have 726 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,840 Speaker 1: a good understanding about, because I know I get conflicted 727 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: a therapist too, and so had to do this a therapist. 728 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: What I what I tell people outside of the you know, 729 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: outside of the professional field is still and you know, 730 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't want to hear it. They don't want 731 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: to hear that to call on Jesus. They don't want 732 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: to believe and in Jesus, they you know, they have 733 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:25,240 Speaker 1: very conflicted relationships with with Jesus and religious figures and stuff. 734 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not here to do that. I'm 735 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: not here to convert you. I'm not here to any 736 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: of that. I am telling you, calling Jesus name, he 737 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: will protect you. Calling his name, he will send an 738 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: angel to protect you. You know that's up to him, 739 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 1: you know. But you have to know. You have to 740 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: know as a human being, when you need help, you know, 741 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,240 Speaker 1: you have to know. You have to know you're not helpless. 742 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 1: I this is the thing that cross you know, it 743 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: just gets in every a lot of the times that 744 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: people are always like, oh, you're helpless. You're not helpless. 745 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: You just don't know the power you have access to. 746 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: But you're not helpless, You're unaware. It seems like, do 747 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: you find this reluctancy out there where people almost seem 748 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: ashamed to say that they might believe in God or Jesus. 749 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 1: I like, they're so hesitant, And I'm like, they're really 750 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: really super hesitant as the right word it really hesitant. 751 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you, guys, this being came here, sacrifices 752 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: life for you, for your loved ones. He will help you. 753 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, he will help you. And I'm not saying 754 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: you have to be like some hard core or Christian 755 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: something or other. That's not what I'm saying. Let me 756 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: put it really simply. Look, if you say I love God, 757 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,240 Speaker 1: if you say I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, 758 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: you're keeping the belief system at arms left right, You're like, 759 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: I believe you're right there. You know, I can point 760 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: to you, you're right there. I believe you're right there. 761 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,439 Speaker 1: But if you say I love right trying saying that 762 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: I love God, I love Jesus, then you are taking 763 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: you that in. It becomes part of you. You know. People, 764 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: I think they get afraid sometimes that I think I 765 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: mentioned Jesus in every show and uh, and they're like, oh, 766 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,359 Speaker 1: is this a Christian show? And I'm like, you know, 767 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 1: it's a realistic show because I'm telling you what works. 768 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,279 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, why did these beings recognize this? 769 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,680 Speaker 1: And and I've had the argument, I'm curious what you 770 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,720 Speaker 1: think of this, William. Uh, people say, oh, it didn't work. 771 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: You just said in Jesus name. And at the end 772 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: of your abduction experience of the aliens were leaving anyhow. 773 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, come on, you know I'm talking 774 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: about like in your situation in the alien space, saying 775 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: it in them leaving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they were 776 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,879 Speaker 1: they were not going to leave beforehand. You know. It's 777 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: like they left because they were afraid for themselves self perservation, 778 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 1: Yeah right, and and beg for mercy, like and beg, 779 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: which you really wish to this day. I can just 780 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,759 Speaker 1: still see her, I can hear her voice in my 781 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: head and I can still see her mouth moving, screaming 782 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: for mercy. You know, is that something in the light 783 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 1: of God? Why would that bother? You know? And it's 784 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: like people try to say, well, you know, Jesus must 785 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: be an alien, Jesus must be this or that. I'm like, 786 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: why does he need to be defined? All I know 787 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: is he's recognized to have done a lot of good things, 788 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: and he really helps people on this planet when they're 789 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: in trouble. Can we just have a blanket that, you know, Yeah, 790 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: you just have a blanket thing where you can agree. 791 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: Can we just say Jesus is an energy, so it 792 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: is an energy? Yeah, okay, okay, recognize recognize energy to 793 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: help get people out of a bind when something, oh, 794 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, evil comes around. And you know, I 795 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: understand that a lot of people like, well, you know, 796 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: the government's putting out the word that these are all 797 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: evil aliens. I'm like, look, they're not all positive either, though. 798 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: We have to realize just like people, this can happen 799 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,280 Speaker 1: where we have this conflicting energy. But I want people 800 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: to get the chance to reach out to you and 801 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: take a look at your art if you'd like to 802 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: put that out there, William, Oh yeah, definitely, um my artwork, 803 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, just to let you know, I've from years 804 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: of making art with clients, I shifted over now to 805 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: just working on my own art. And you know, my 806 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: art I I bless I do blessings for so that 807 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: the viewers, any viewer can get a positive energy from it. 808 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's that's what I'm shifting into. I 809 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,240 Speaker 1: have a show coming up and at the Overture Center 810 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: here and Addison in October. And you know, I have 811 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: a web page where people can look at this stuff. Um, 812 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's developing. So everything is still developing. 813 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: But my web page is William del Moral Art Wonderful. 814 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on 815 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: the show. This was really great of you too, volunteer 816 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: reach out to come on the show. I was pleasantly surprised. 817 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: This isod Yeah, well for having me and thank you 818 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: to all the coast to coast listeners. You know, I've 819 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: been a listener a long time, but I I really 820 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: think that the time for people to just say a 821 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,799 Speaker 1: big no. You know it's here, and I know who 822 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: you're working with. And if you're working with light beings 823 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,439 Speaker 1: from the you know, from the light side, you will 824 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 1: know you'll be just fine. But if you're being lied 825 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: to and you're being manipulated and you're being groomed, and 826 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: that's something completely different. So true, Well, thank you so much, 827 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me amazing. I love hearing successful stories, 828 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to alien beings becoming a huge 829 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: problem in somebody's life. And I knew him from a 830 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,399 Speaker 1: long time ago, and uh, it's so good to hear 831 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: that things have been pretty good where these things are 832 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: not creeping around as often and causing the habit that 833 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: they once did. And I know a lot of people 834 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: are like, what on earth you know talking about the 835 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: Jesus topic again, But it is just what it is. 836 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 1: It's like there is a good force, there's a bad force, 837 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes there are titles to each side, and sometimes 838 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: it really helps to address it and just be direct 839 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: about it, not be ashamed of it. So um, you know, 840 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: I always welcome to you guys to write me. Just 841 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. 842 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: And if you want to be August in the show, 843 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: just like William del Morele was just now, you are 844 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,120 Speaker 1: more than welcome to do that and write as much 845 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 1: detail as to like. If you choose to just send 846 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: me an email, that's all good. I don't mind. So wow, 847 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 1: this has been a really fascinating show. I hope you 848 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed as much as I did. You have been listened 849 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 850 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 851 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: Be safe for everybody. Well, if you liked this edition 852 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light, wait til you hear the next one. 853 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 1: You've been listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast 854 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network