Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. A lot of times,
Speaker 1: you guys will hear me say that I don't actually
Speaker 1: think that we are politically that divided as a country,
Speaker 1: but there are certain issues that make it seem like
Speaker 1: we are ridiculously divided.
Speaker 2: And I will say that. On occasion.
Speaker 1: Bill Maher has had guests on, and that kind of
Speaker 1: goes in that direction where a guest who is a
Speaker 1: progressive leftist or someone who's on the far right comes on,
Speaker 1: and people I think across the country are kind of like,
Speaker 1: how did that happen?
Speaker 2: How are they not that different than me?
Speaker 1: And I love that about him because I mean, he's
Speaker 1: certainly not by any means a conservative or a Trump supporter, but.
Speaker 2: He'll say things.
Speaker 1: And what I think is funny is conservatives will sometimes
Speaker 1: cherry pick what he says, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: he'll say something that is pretty conservative, and then at
Speaker 1: the end he'll say something like, of course Trump is
Speaker 1: horrible and sucks, you know, and then they cut that
Speaker 1: part off because there is a connection between Americans. And
Speaker 1: so we saw this woman on and it was like
Speaker 1: this moment where I said, Wow, this is what we've
Speaker 1: been saying in Michigan, but haven't really been able to
Speaker 1: say it, don't know how to say it, and so
Speaker 1: I'm glad she agreed to join me today. Batya Unger Sargon.
Speaker 1: She is the opinion editor of Newsweek and the author
Speaker 1: of Bad News. How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. Thank
Speaker 1: you for joining me.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: What a pleasure to be here with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I am so excited because I heard you.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I was listening to what you said about Michigan,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, it's really different when someone who
Speaker 1: is a Democrat or a progressive, someone who comes out
Speaker 1: and says, hey, I'm on the left, says democrats are
Speaker 1: maybe not seeing.
Speaker 2: What the working class is actually saying.
Speaker 1: And it started out with you talking about the situation
Speaker 1: that we see with the uncommitted vote, and I just
Speaker 1: thought it was fascinating that you were like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody says this is his problem, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's why he actually loses Michigan.
Speaker 2: You can just get into that a little bit.
Speaker 3: Sure, Absolutely, I completely agree with you in your introduction.
Speaker 3: I think that Americans are much more united than we
Speaker 3: are divided, especially about the most important issues. If you
Speaker 3: look at the polling on things that seem so divisive
Speaker 3: when politicians or the media talk about them, most Americans
Speaker 3: agree on them. There's a huge consensus about seventy percent
Speaker 3: of Americans are on the same page when it comes
Speaker 3: to the most important issues. And of course, because our
Speaker 3: media and our politicians make money and get power off
Speaker 3: of this polarization narrative, they're constantly pushing it. But it
Speaker 3: is a canard on this great, great nation. And I
Speaker 3: think you can really see that in what's happening now
Speaker 3: in the primary. So if you look at this whole
Speaker 3: conversation around the uncommitted vote, right, the media was really
Speaker 3: hyping this up. Are two hundred thousand Muslim Americans living
Speaker 3: in Michigan going to throw the election for Donald Trump
Speaker 3: by withholding their vote from Joe Biden over his support
Speaker 3: for Israel, which you know between us, he's waffling now,
Speaker 3: of course, in part in order to appeal to dearborn right,
Speaker 3: he's sort of.
Speaker 1: And I think because just watching the news and that's
Speaker 1: what he thinks is like to your point, that's what
Speaker 1: he thinks is happening in Michigan. And you made a
Speaker 1: point about polarization being kind of an elitist concept that's
Speaker 1: been pushed on us, and I think it's shocking to
Speaker 1: me when.
Speaker 2: I see exactly what you just said.
Speaker 1: He is changing his narrative a little bit because he's
Speaker 1: being forced by the elitist media that is able to
Speaker 1: do that. But you have a different theory on Michigan sight.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, interrupted, I.
Speaker 2: Want you to get to that.
Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. You know, I think the
Speaker 3: media is very sort of thirsty for this uncommitted vote
Speaker 3: to happen, because first of all, they're very anti Israel,
Speaker 3: and so they love to see people sort of protesting.
Speaker 3: Is rather completely on the side of the pro Palestinian protesters, right.
Speaker 3: But also to me, this is an alibi for the
Speaker 3: Democrats because I think Joe Biden is going to lose Michigan.
Speaker 3: But he's not going to lose Michigan to two hundred
Speaker 3: thousand Muslim Americans one hundred thousand uncommitted voters. He's going
Speaker 3: to lose Michigan because there are six hundred thousand auto
Speaker 3: workers there and his ev mandates have been absolutely disastrous
Speaker 3: for working class Americans across the country, but especially in Michigan.
Speaker 3: We know that all of this money into the EV
Speaker 3: market has been deeply punishing to autoworkers. It takes much
Speaker 3: less time on the line to make an electric vehicle
Speaker 3: than it does a regular gas car, and as a result,
Speaker 3: these workers are going to have much less work to do.
Speaker 3: And this despite the fact that Americans don't want evs, right,
Speaker 3: everybody who wants an EV pretty much has one. So
Speaker 3: they make these cars and then they sit on the lots.
Speaker 3: People don't buy them, which course ends up costing workers' jobs.
Speaker 3: And here is the thing. The Democrats simply cannot admit
Speaker 3: the truth, which is that they lost the working class.
Speaker 3: The very united working class working class Americans who are
Speaker 3: Liberals and who are Conservatives. Again, very little separates them.
Speaker 3: They certainly don't hate each other. That is a totally
Speaker 3: elite phenomenon. The Democrats lost the working class over the
Speaker 3: course of the last forty fifty years. Instead, today they
Speaker 3: cater to the over credentilled college elites and then the
Speaker 3: dependent poor people who can't work or who won't work right,
Speaker 3: who live off the government. That's the Democratic coalition, whereas
Speaker 3: Republicans now represent most working class people and the Democrats
Speaker 3: simply cannot admit that because it is truly outrageous to
Speaker 3: have abandoned labor like that. So instead they masquerade as
Speaker 3: the Party of Labor and then come up with these
Speaker 3: other narratives, Oh, he's going to lose Michigan over the
Speaker 3: uncommitted vote. Oh, you know, they make up these other
Speaker 3: narratives to hide the truth, which is that they lost
Speaker 3: the working class because they betrayed the working class. And
Speaker 3: that's where Donald Trump stepped in and said, I'm going
Speaker 3: to speak to these people.
Speaker 1: But see, I don't think that they think of it
Speaker 1: as betraying the working class, because I think they think
Speaker 1: of it as making progress.
Speaker 2: To your point about.
Speaker 1: Evs, like this is very This is progress in their minds,
Speaker 1: even though the consumer doesn't want it. And we've never
Speaker 1: seen government before force a product on consumers. And it's
Speaker 1: a product you use every day. I mean, there's nobody
Speaker 1: that doesn't get in a vehicle every day. I'm very
Speaker 1: few people, I imagine don't need a vehicle to get
Speaker 1: somewhere every day. Where you know, in the United States,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of walking. It's in most cities,
Speaker 1: in most areas. You're in suburban America, and you need
Speaker 1: a vehicle. So you are taking a product that someone
Speaker 1: uses every day and saying this is no longer acceptable.
Speaker 1: You are forced into this, and it's not a small product.
Speaker 1: It's not like going out and buying new underwear. This
Speaker 1: is going to cost you a lot of money. It's
Speaker 1: going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars. And
Speaker 1: these evs are going to cost you tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars more than you normally would have to pay
Speaker 1: for something for a vehicle.
Speaker 2: And so people are going, what are you doing? But
Speaker 2: in Michigan, I think it's.
Speaker 1: Especially different because we are the state that put the
Speaker 1: world on wheels. This is our legacy industry. We are
Speaker 1: set up to make gas powered vehicles. We are set
Speaker 1: up to power the country. We are not set up
Speaker 1: to make electric vehicles. The other thing, the other dirty
Speaker 1: little secret about making electric vehicles is that takes a
Speaker 1: lot more energy to make electric vehicles, and Michigan is
Speaker 1: not set up for that either. We have some of
Speaker 1: the highest energy costs in the nation in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: We have the highest energy cost for businesses. And we've
Speaker 1: just said that we're going to be even more radical
Speaker 1: and go to all renewable energy. When renewable energy just
Speaker 1: like evs, Hey, maybe we do need to make a
Speaker 1: change here, but it has to be a change that
Speaker 1: can actually supplement what the other option was, and at
Speaker 1: this point we don't have that.
Speaker 2: So it's one thing to say, Okay.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to put some of this other
Speaker 1: type of energy in while we continue to innovate, because
Speaker 1: as Americans we are great innovators. We don't have the
Speaker 1: answer just yet, but we're not saying that we're being
Speaker 1: forced into this is the answer. We're gonna put windmills
Speaker 1: in the lake. You're gonna look at your out from
Speaker 1: the beach on Lake Michigan and see windmills, and that's
Speaker 1: going to power these factories.
Speaker 2: Well guess what. And now we're no longer a right
Speaker 2: to work state, so guess what. This was the perfect.
Speaker 1: Opportunity for the auto manufacturers to say, you know what, Michigan,
Speaker 1: it's been a good run.
Speaker 2: We're heading over to Tennessee. We're going to Kentucky.
Speaker 1: And the auto workers feel that the people that are
Speaker 1: a part of the Autoworkers Union, they're in Michigan, they're
Speaker 1: not in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: It's class warfare. Against the working class. The entire Green
Speaker 3: New Deal is class warfare against the working class. You
Speaker 3: know who makes those windmills China, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the secret right there. Michigan represents the American dream, right,
Speaker 3: It represents what used to be the norm, which is
Speaker 3: the biggest sector of the American economy used to be
Speaker 3: in manufacturing, which meant that working class Americans were producing
Speaker 3: things for working class consumers. And so the price point
Speaker 3: was set somewhere that both you could have the American
Speaker 3: dream as a worker and you could afford the car
Speaker 3: as a consumer. That was the American dream up until
Speaker 3: the seventies. Now most working class industries are no longer
Speaker 3: like that. They shipped all the good paying working class
Speaker 3: jobs overseas to China and Mexico to build up their
Speaker 3: middle class, and then they opened the border and imported
Speaker 3: an entirely new slave cast to drive down the wages
Speaker 3: in the service industry and to telegraph to working class people,
Speaker 3: you are nothing if you do this job. This is
Speaker 3: not a job for an American guy.
Speaker 1: It was just exactly what I've tried to say to
Speaker 1: people so many times, is you are belittling our workers,
Speaker 1: the people who put their heart and soul into these
Speaker 1: jobs and telling them, I mean, I come from a
Speaker 1: steel foundry. We had a family steel foundry, And the
Speaker 1: amount of times I was told those jobs are dirty.
Speaker 1: No one wants your jobs, Like, do you understand what
Speaker 1: these jobs do? I mean, first of all, you don't
Speaker 1: get the food on your table if you don't have
Speaker 1: us making the farm equipment, So you know what, take
Speaker 1: a hike. And then I mean, these people, what they
Speaker 1: do is something to be proud of, and you're saying, oh.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not worth it. These aren't jobs for Americans.
Speaker 1: And then what are you saying about the people that
Speaker 1: are coming across the borders.
Speaker 2: You don't don't actually care about those people. You think
Speaker 2: they're less then.
Speaker 3: And that's why they import them to do jobs that
Speaker 3: the elites would be humiliated to do, like be a janitor.
Speaker 3: They consider that job beneath contempt. A lot of people
Speaker 3: get a lot of self respect out of having that job.
Speaker 3: That is not an embarrassing job to have. It is
Speaker 3: so gross the hatred and contempt for hard working Americans.
Speaker 3: You brought up steel. The elites they don't understand trade,
Speaker 3: They don't understand what it means to the working class.
Speaker 3: But you know who understood that, Trump because he showed
Speaker 3: up and said, you know what, We're gonna have tariffs
Speaker 3: on steel and aluminum. We're gonna have twenty five percent
Speaker 3: tariffs on that. You're not gonna bring in steel from
Speaker 3: China and undercut my workers. Why would we do that?
Speaker 3: He up ended the complete status quo that was that
Speaker 3: held on both sides. And when people talk to me
Speaker 3: about Trump's character and how you know they don't like it,
Speaker 3: I say to them, do you know what kind of
Speaker 3: a person can show up when there's two parties and
Speaker 3: they both agree that we should be selling out the
Speaker 3: working class, that we should have free trade and open borders,
Speaker 3: and you show up and say he showed up and said,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna take on just the other side. I'm
Speaker 3: going to take on my own side. I mean, whoever
Speaker 3: heard of putting on tariffs in America over the last
Speaker 3: forty years? And what is the result. The average wages
Speaker 3: for person working in steel is eighty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 3: a year. That is a middle class wage, and that
Speaker 3: is completely the result of Trump's trade policy. And this
Speaker 3: is something the left just cannot understand because they have
Speaker 3: this innate disrespect for people who work with their hands,
Speaker 3: who do dirty jobs. These people get self respect out
Speaker 3: of those jobs. They think it is beneath them, and
Speaker 3: so they devalued these jobs and devalued this work.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next.
Speaker 1: On a Tutor Dixon podcast, you talked about the importance
Speaker 1: of steel and the tariffs and everything, and I think
Speaker 1: that steel is something in the metal that we use
Speaker 1: for our military equipment all of this. It's just something
Speaker 1: that people really don't understand. Steel is not something you
Speaker 1: dig out of the ground and it just keeps coming.
Speaker 1: You have to Actually, there's chemistry to it. You have
Speaker 1: to create it. You have to put the right chemicals
Speaker 1: in it. There's a recipe to every type of steal
Speaker 1: that we use, and right now we don't have the
Speaker 1: people that know how to build the recipe. We don't
Speaker 1: even have many metal or just left in this country,
Speaker 1: and in our universities we have about four or five
Speaker 1: metallurgy degrees left across the country.
Speaker 2: We are in a very.
Speaker 1: Big national security disaster when it comes to this, and
Speaker 1: yet we're still letting it happen over in China. Oh,
Speaker 1: bring in all of our stuff in China. I had
Speaker 1: one of my competitors when I was in the foundry
Speaker 1: industry email me just last week and he said, you're
Speaker 1: going to be shocked by this, but we make parts
Speaker 1: for the military, and they told us that they are
Speaker 1: now it is now a twenty five percent by America clause.
Speaker 1: It used to be a ninety percent by America clause
Speaker 1: for any type of product that was going to our military.
Speaker 1: Twenty five percent. They just had their orders reduced because
Speaker 1: they're going to bring in seven twenty five percent of
Speaker 1: castings that go on our military vehicles from China, from
Speaker 1: our enemy. What.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely disastrous. The Democrats are so soft on China,
Speaker 3: both foreign policy wise and domestically in terms of jobs.
Speaker 3: In terms of that output, you know, there's another outrage,
Speaker 3: which is that we spend two hundred billion dollars a
Speaker 3: year funding higher education and just one billion dollars a
Speaker 3: year funding vocational training. There is such a huge shortage
Speaker 3: of skilled trades folks in America today, and that is
Speaker 3: again by design. The Democrats had this idea, starting with
Speaker 3: Clinton and then Obama, that everyone was going to go
Speaker 3: to college because of course, you know what happens when
Speaker 3: you go to college, you become a good little liberal, right,
Speaker 3: like you're getting doctrinated into like their way of thinking.
Speaker 3: And so they started funneling billions of dollars into that
Speaker 3: and then again cutting off one of the surest pathways
Speaker 3: to the American dream for people who work with their
Speaker 3: hands for a living. It's an absolute outrage. And you know,
Speaker 3: the GOP, if they want to become the party of
Speaker 3: the working class beyond Trump, this is a great place
Speaker 3: to start vocational training, give people the training they need
Speaker 3: to be able to achieve the American dream while working
Speaker 3: with their hands for a living and doing the jobs
Speaker 3: we actually need to survive.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is something that my dad used to
Speaker 1: say to me all the time, because my dad was
Speaker 1: an engineer by trade, but he was always on the
Speaker 1: shop floor, and obviously he had worked in foundries his
Speaker 1: entire life, and he used to say, I would have
Speaker 1: definitely been that kid that they would have put on
Speaker 1: Riddlin and said I was an add and that I
Speaker 1: couldn't handle life because I can't sit at a desk.
Speaker 1: That's never going to be me. He's like, but look
Speaker 1: at the successful businesses I've been able to create, because
Speaker 1: my gift was not sitting behind a desk and doing
Speaker 1: paperwrock all day. My gift was being out on the
Speaker 1: shop floor, on the line, helping to make a product.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that people don't see.
Speaker 1: They think there's only value in what you can learn
Speaker 1: in life from a book, which I'm not taking any
Speaker 1: value away from that, But there are people who thrive
Speaker 1: outside of that environment of being at a desk, who
Speaker 1: thrive in a creative space, in a different type of space,
Speaker 1: and oftentimes those are the people who build the businesses.
Speaker 1: When I was campaigning, I met this guy and he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: he was a billionaire. I was a terrible student, hated school,
Speaker 1: and I decided I wanted to create my own shop,
Speaker 1: and I put it in my dad's garage. And then
Speaker 1: we build a pole barn, and then we expanded, and
Speaker 1: then we kept expanding, we kept expanding. He said, today,
Speaker 1: with the regulations in this state, they would have never
Speaker 1: let me even start my business. And he said, think
Speaker 1: of the hundreds of thousands of people that have been
Speaker 1: fed and created their own home and had their own
Speaker 1: lifestyle because they worked at one of my companies that
Speaker 1: I built over all this time go to college. Said
Speaker 1: it was just my creativity and the idea that I had,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we've stolen from this nation,
Speaker 1: is entrepreneurship.
Speaker 3: Definitely. I do have to disagree with one thing you said.
Speaker 3: I do denigrate the learning happens in the universities. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of it is nonsense. I have a PhD,
Speaker 3: so I know what I'm talking about when I say
Speaker 3: a lot of it is just nonsense, like just total
Speaker 3: just it's just ridiculousness. And a lot of people go
Speaker 3: into STEM. It's true, not everybody gets a Humanity's degree
Speaker 3: like I did, but every person who goes to university
Speaker 3: has to take Composition one oh one, which is taught
Speaker 3: by an income poop like I used to be, like
Speaker 3: with the English PhD. And to get an English PhD,
Speaker 3: you have to take a critical theory class. You have
Speaker 3: to study critical race theory. So everyone is going through
Speaker 3: that funnel. I think I'm much about these ideas. I
Speaker 3: was in college way before.
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, And honestly, I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about this because my daughters came home. My fifth grader
Speaker 1: came home from school, and she was like so and
Speaker 1: so his parents are Democrats?
Speaker 2: Do they not like us? And should we not like them?
Speaker 1: And it just hit me so hard because I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I didn't know what so
Speaker 1: and so's parents did for a living. I barely understood
Speaker 1: what my own parents did for a living, let alone
Speaker 1: that they were Democrats or Republicans. And I'm like, how
Speaker 1: did we get even in education in lower schools?
Speaker 2: How did we get to the point.
Speaker 1: Where we started this idea that one there's a side,
Speaker 1: what side are you on?
Speaker 2: You have to pick a side?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really awful, and it's so alien to working
Speaker 3: class life. Working class Americans, if they're liberals or conservatives,
Speaker 3: they work side by side with people they disagree with.
Speaker 3: I mean, Michigan is probably like a perfect, perfect example
Speaker 3: of this. You'll go into an auto shop, right and
Speaker 3: you know, everybody's unionized, and half the people vote for Trump,
Speaker 3: probably more like seventy five eighty percent vote for Trump,
Speaker 3: you know, and the other twenty five percent maybe vote
Speaker 3: for Bernie. And then you know, it's it's very The
Speaker 3: idea of hating somebody over who they vote for is
Speaker 3: so alien to average Americans. They simply do not have
Speaker 3: that luxury, and nor would it ever occur to them
Speaker 3: to do that. It's so alien to who we are
Speaker 3: as a nation. And I was so thrilled to find
Speaker 3: out that this polarization doesn't exist in eighty percent of
Speaker 3: the country. It's just us in the elites and the
Speaker 3: media and in politics who keep pushing these narratives trying
Speaker 3: to make people hate each other so that we can
Speaker 3: sort of consolidate power.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's also I think there's this terrible thing
Speaker 1: that's happening where it's like personal relevance and too many
Speaker 1: people become like political pundans that have to keep it
Speaker 1: going somehow, and so it has to be the next
Speaker 1: radical statement.
Speaker 2: And you see these people who.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, I would look at them
Speaker 1: and go, gosh, that's the spokesperson for the left. And
Speaker 1: you would look and say, that's the spokesperson for the right.
Speaker 1: And yet I'm listening to the person on the right
Speaker 1: and going I do not feel that way. That is
Speaker 1: not okay. And I know what they're doing. I who
Speaker 1: is someone who sees them every day and probably has
Speaker 1: personally met them. I know they're playing a game, and
Speaker 1: it is to get more downloads it's to get more clicks.
Speaker 2: It's like an obsession, you know. But I think it's
Speaker 2: the same on the other side.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this was kind of how
Speaker 1: things started with AOC, and I do think that she's
Speaker 1: kind of toned things back a little bit.
Speaker 2: But going to the met with a big.
Speaker 1: Fancy, expensive dress on that says text the rich is like,
Speaker 1: no ironic, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, it isn't that ironic.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that we're all kind of
Speaker 1: sitting back and going these extremes are not us.
Speaker 2: But how do you actually talk about this?
Speaker 1: Because I find it hard, well, especially as someone who
Speaker 1: ran for office, because I'm automatically like this crazy extremist.
Speaker 1: So it's really it's hard for me to talk to
Speaker 1: the other side because like, I'm that job. But I
Speaker 1: do think that there is a response ability or I
Speaker 1: feel like there should be some responsibility at least in
Speaker 1: the media for someone to go instead of always saying
Speaker 1: that side in this side, we're going to try to
Speaker 1: see ourselves as Americans. But I think the twenty four
Speaker 1: hour news cycle has destroyed that because it's not news,
Speaker 1: it's just drama.
Speaker 3: I do think there's a really interesting thing happening on
Speaker 3: exactly this point with Trump, Like he came out the
Speaker 3: other day and said, you know, like you mentioned, I'm
Speaker 3: not a conservative, and I think that is first of all,
Speaker 3: obviously true. But his policy agenda to me seems, you know,
Speaker 3: pretty indistinguishable from a new deal Democrat, a Democrat in
Speaker 3: the nineties, you know, fifteen weeks on abortion, controlling the
Speaker 3: border to protect wages. He's actively courting black voters, which
Speaker 3: is just delicious to see, and his voters, by the way,
Speaker 3: his supporters love him for it. You know, he's he's
Speaker 3: very positive and pro gay while being you know, against
Speaker 3: the transgender agenda. That is just where eighty percent of
Speaker 3: Americans no more free trade. Let's have trade that works
Speaker 3: for America first. This is where the working class is at.
Speaker 3: But because he triggers the left, I think intentionally right
Speaker 3: to stay in the headlines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he literally can't forget anyone.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly right, But.
Speaker 3: So they it's literally invisible to them. When you start
Speaker 3: laying out everything he's done, You're like, where do you
Speaker 3: disagree with this? Like this is stuff Democrats used to
Speaker 3: say when they were like normal. They'll say, oh, January sixth, which, again,
Speaker 3: like the one hundred thousand Muslim uncommitted voters, is just
Speaker 3: a distraction, right because they don't want to talk about
Speaker 3: the policy agenda because it implicates them in having abandoned
Speaker 3: the people who vote for him.
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, you talked about the autoworkers voting for Trump,
Speaker 1: and then you said or Bernie Sanders, which I thought
Speaker 1: was in seeing because I have some of our younger
Speaker 1: relatives in our lives who are huge Bernie Sanders supporters.
Speaker 2: And they actually felt really betrayed.
Speaker 1: By the Democrat Party when Donald or when Joe Biden
Speaker 1: became the nominee, because they're like this was manipulated. Everyone
Speaker 1: else was kicked out, Like we didn't get to choose,
Speaker 1: This was not what we were going to choose. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's still there's kind of this group
Speaker 1: of young people that feel like Joe Biden's not really
Speaker 1: our guy, we aren't getting to choose, And I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there there are waiting
Speaker 1: and saying they're going to put our guy in. Who
Speaker 1: is our guy? We don't know they're going to pick someone.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a whitmer or maybe it's a Newsome, but
Speaker 1: somebody else is coming in to rescue us from this
Speaker 1: guy who is not our person. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that at this point is going to happen. But I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting because the elites have chosen for them
Speaker 1: and they're not even seeing this party of elites, but
Speaker 1: but they've actually been trained to say, also, I'm on
Speaker 1: and elite. I mean, I've had people that are just
Speaker 1: out of college in their twenties and thirties who are like, look,
Speaker 1: I have an advanced degree.
Speaker 2: I'm a part of the elitist class.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's weird that you're willing to come
Speaker 1: out and openly say that. It seems like it would
Speaker 1: be a bad connotation, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's hysterical. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: And to your point, the exact opposite happened in the
Speaker 3: GOP right, Trump was outspent two to one. Right, the
Speaker 3: donor class really doesn't want him. They don't like his tariffs,
Speaker 3: they like the open border, whether they'll admit it or
Speaker 3: not because it's good for Wall Street, you know. They
Speaker 3: really don't like his economic agenda, and so they poured
Speaker 3: money into Nikki Haley's campaign and these other campaigns, and
Speaker 3: the most amazing, miraculous thing happened, which is the billions
Speaker 3: of dollars spent to try to defeat him between the
Speaker 3: GOP primary and of course the Democrats like law fair
Speaker 3: campaign and everything they're throwing at him, and the voice
Speaker 3: of the electorate was unsuppressible. He's still won by leaps
Speaker 3: and baths. I mean, what a miracle, What an amazing country, right,
Speaker 3: Like it turns out that the will of the people
Speaker 3: is stronger than the will of the donor class, at
Speaker 3: least on the right.
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, because like behind the scenes, you
Speaker 1: see it all happening. I mean, I think everybody saw
Speaker 1: it happening, but maybe you see it on a different
Speaker 1: level when you're in our position, because you know, all
Speaker 1: these people are like DeSantis is the guy.
Speaker 2: And I remember talking.
Speaker 1: To people and going, I don't think that you understand
Speaker 1: what it is to go against Trump. I mean, even
Speaker 1: as a Trump endorsed candidate, Trump people didn't come out
Speaker 1: and vote for me. There's a special Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: special about him. And when Chris Christy came out and
Speaker 1: said there's no such thing as a Trump voter.
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I mean you, I feel like you're just saying things
Speaker 1: like someday I'll have a unicorn. You know, these are
Speaker 1: not true things. So I don't understand why. And then
Speaker 1: but the thing was that made me upset about this
Speaker 1: is I'm like, you know, you all love Ron DeSantis
Speaker 1: and he has done great things in the state of Florida.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people knew that he
Speaker 1: was the sacrificial lamb. It was more of a let's see,
Speaker 1: let's throw him out there and see if he can
Speaker 1: sink or swim, you know, and if he sinks, then hey,
Speaker 1: it was our investment and we lost. But it's a person,
Speaker 1: and it's become this thing of like the people in
Speaker 1: the political world don't matter anymore because it's the chess
Speaker 1: players at the top. And Trump gets around the chess
Speaker 1: players and they hate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they really really hate him for it. I think
Speaker 3: with DeSantis, I was talking to a sort of policy
Speaker 3: person that I trust who's sort of very much on
Speaker 3: the kind of protectionist view of things, and he was
Speaker 3: saying he had had a meeting with DeSantis and he
Speaker 3: tried to talk to him about economic policy and he
Speaker 3: was just completely not interested. And you know, the thing
Speaker 3: about working class Americans is in their bone they're anti woke.
Speaker 3: They think it's divisive, They it doesn't represent their views.
Speaker 3: They think it's intolerant. And the American people are a
Speaker 3: deeply tolerant people. But at the same time, they're economic
Speaker 3: policies like their jobs, good wages, the American dream. That's
Speaker 3: what they're looking to politicians for. They don't need to
Speaker 3: be told by politicians, you know that these are your
Speaker 3: values exactly. They know what their values are. They need
Speaker 3: an economic agenda and Trump gets that and DeSantis just
Speaker 3: really didn't get it.
Speaker 2: That's such a good point and it's something I've been trying.
Speaker 1: To talk to people about because you know, I had
Speaker 1: a crew come in and it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to run on anti woke, which was so
Speaker 1: dumb because here's Whitmer, who has all of the horse
Speaker 1: things against her in this state. I mean, the state
Speaker 1: is crumbling, and yet it's like this is working in Florida.
Speaker 1: The But you're so right, and I got to see
Speaker 1: it firsthand. At the end of the day, conservatives are
Speaker 1: really not sitting at home wringing their hands over whether
Speaker 1: or not their child will be transd at school the
Speaker 1: next day. They're wondering if they can afford their groceries.
Speaker 1: You know, they know what their values are within their family.
Speaker 1: They know how to have discussions with their kids. That's
Speaker 1: I mean for all of the we don't want big government,
Speaker 1: let it happen in the family. That's what they're saying.
Speaker 1: And Trump's not in their personal life. Trump is not
Speaker 1: in their bedroom. To your point, he was the most
Speaker 1: pro gay president. Not only was he pro gay in
Speaker 1: the country, but he decriminalized homosexuality across the world in
Speaker 1: many places where he was saying this is not acceptable.
Speaker 1: You know, he and Rick Cornell did great things for
Speaker 1: homosexuality across the globe. Nobody talks about that, and you
Speaker 1: know why nobody talks about it because it's really not
Speaker 1: something that people want to advertise on the right.
Speaker 2: But it was something that he did that was saving.
Speaker 1: Lives, and those are the I think that's the way
Speaker 1: you get into office and you say, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to protect people, We're gonna make sure that our values
Speaker 1: are protected without campaigning on that. What he campaigned on
Speaker 1: is when you go home at night, you're not going
Speaker 1: to worry about whether you can get gas in the morning.
Speaker 1: When you wake up in the morning, you're going to
Speaker 1: know there's a job there. If you're a manufacturer, you're
Speaker 1: going to know that you have employees and energy. And
Speaker 1: guess what, nobody is going to have to worry about
Speaker 1: whether or not their kid's going to get into fentanyl
Speaker 1: because I'm going to close the border. And that is
Speaker 1: something that is so critical. And you know there's this
Speaker 1: narrative and there's been this narrative for years now, well
Speaker 1: the border. Hispanics don't like the border because those the
Speaker 1: open border, those people come and take their jobs.
Speaker 2: They take every working class person's job.
Speaker 1: This is not acceptable for the entire United States to
Speaker 1: have unvetted people pouring across the border.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say we don't like immigration. That's
Speaker 2: to say, why would you not protect your own.
Speaker 3: The high water mark for working class wages was in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one. The share of the population that was
Speaker 3: born somewhere else that was an immigrant was four percent.
Speaker 3: We've now seen stagnating working class wages since then fifty years,
Speaker 3: and we are at a new high water mark where
Speaker 3: the share of the population that is foreign born is
Speaker 3: around fifteen or sixteen percent, and the majority of them
Speaker 3: are in working class industries jobs that don't require college degree.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, how can people, literally with
Speaker 3: a stray face, say they're not taking people's jobs. We
Speaker 3: have exponentially increased the supply of labor. Of course, that's
Speaker 3: going to drive down wages. In fact, that's probably why
Speaker 3: Joe Biden opened the border, because he thought it would
Speaker 3: tame inflation by lowering working class wages, which is the
Speaker 3: worst possible way you could do it. You're literally upward
Speaker 3: transfer of wealth from the working class to the elites
Speaker 3: who consume illegal labor, who hire these people, and they
Speaker 3: have to pay them less now than they would have
Speaker 3: to pay an American. It is again class warfare against
Speaker 3: the working class.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of the ultimate gaslight too, because
Speaker 1: he's out there and he's like, you know, we've got
Speaker 1: to have this is the loving thing to do. We
Speaker 1: have these people coming in and just so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not the problem. Corporations are the bad guy, but
Speaker 1: he's actually I mean, it's like talking trash about your
Speaker 1: enemy and then going home and sleeping in the same bed.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, these are the people funding you.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know, but I don't think that most
Speaker 1: people do know. I think that, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that narrative is starting to break on both sides. And
Speaker 1: I'm not just picking on Joe Biden, because I've seen
Speaker 1: it on the Republican side too. And I do think
Speaker 1: that there is way too much corporate control over politicians,
Speaker 1: and that is because we decided, Okay, politicians can only
Speaker 1: bring in this much money, but you can have all
Speaker 1: this dark money, and the dark money wins elections and
Speaker 1: it is such an ugly, ugly process. And I could
Speaker 1: probably talk about that for a long time, but I
Speaker 1: have kept you already longer than I promised. But it's
Speaker 1: been fascinating. I've just so enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: What an absolute pleasure. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's been so much fun. And I know you
Speaker 1: have another book coming out. I didn't know if you
Speaker 1: wanted to promo that. If you can tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about that before you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called Second Class, How the elites betrayed America's
Speaker 3: working men and women, And it's about everything we just
Speaker 3: talked about. So if that sounds like you're jam you
Speaker 3: can pre order it on Amazon today.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be amazing because this has
Speaker 1: been so much fun. Batiya Ungers are Gone. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on today.
Speaker 2: Thank you God bless and.
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