WEBVTT - The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Why Dems Have Turned Their Backs on the Working Class 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.520 Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. A lot of times, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.000 you guys will hear me say that I don't actually 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.280 think that we are politically that divided as a country, 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.640 but there are certain issues that make it seem like 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:13.680 we are ridiculously divided. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.440 And I will say that. On occasion. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.720 Bill Maher has had guests on, and that kind of 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.200 goes in that direction where a guest who is a 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.759 progressive leftist or someone who's on the far right comes on, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.880 and people I think across the country are kind of like, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:30.440 how did that happen? 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.680 How are they not that different than me? 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.360 And I love that about him because I mean, he's 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.120 certainly not by any means a conservative or a Trump supporter, but. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.320 He'll say things. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.200 And what I think is funny is conservatives will sometimes 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.720 cherry pick what he says, because a lot of times 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.559 he'll say something that is pretty conservative, and then at 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.280 the end he'll say something like, of course Trump is 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.400 horrible and sucks, you know, and then they cut that 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.600 part off because there is a connection between Americans. And 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.800 so we saw this woman on and it was like 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.400 this moment where I said, Wow, this is what we've 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.800 been saying in Michigan, but haven't really been able to 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.120 say it, don't know how to say it, and so 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.920 I'm glad she agreed to join me today. Batya Unger Sargon. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.479 She is the opinion editor of Newsweek and the author 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.280 of Bad News. How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. Thank 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:21.000 you for joining me. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.360 Thank you so much for having me. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:24.679 What a pleasure to be here with you. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:25.640 Yeah. 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.560 I am so excited because I heard you. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.760 Honestly, I was listening to what you said about Michigan, 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.600 and I'm like, man, it's really different when someone who 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.200 is a Democrat or a progressive, someone who comes out 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.440 and says, hey, I'm on the left, says democrats are 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.039 maybe not seeing. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.800 What the working class is actually saying. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.240 And it started out with you talking about the situation 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.800 that we see with the uncommitted vote, and I just 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.320 thought it was fascinating that you were like, you know, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.440 everybody says this is his problem, but I don't know 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.200 if that's why he actually loses Michigan. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:01.520 You can just get into that a little bit. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.200 Sure, Absolutely, I completely agree with you in your introduction. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.600 I think that Americans are much more united than we 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.320 are divided, especially about the most important issues. If you 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.079 look at the polling on things that seem so divisive 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.360 when politicians or the media talk about them, most Americans 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.200 agree on them. There's a huge consensus about seventy percent 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.720 of Americans are on the same page when it comes 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.320 to the most important issues. And of course, because our 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.959 media and our politicians make money and get power off 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.000 of this polarization narrative, they're constantly pushing it. But it 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.200 is a canard on this great, great nation. And I 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.120 think you can really see that in what's happening now 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.240 in the primary. So if you look at this whole 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.240 conversation around the uncommitted vote, right, the media was really 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:58.040 hyping this up. Are two hundred thousand Muslim Americans living 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.920 in Michigan going to throw the election for Donald Trump 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.720 by withholding their vote from Joe Biden over his support 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.399 for Israel, which you know between us, he's waffling now, 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.639 of course, in part in order to appeal to dearborn right, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:13.280 he's sort of. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.120 And I think because just watching the news and that's 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.080 what he thinks is like to your point, that's what 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.520 he thinks is happening in Michigan. And you made a 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:26.520 point about polarization being kind of an elitist concept that's 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.800 been pushed on us, and I think it's shocking to 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:30.320 me when. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.800 I see exactly what you just said. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.920 He is changing his narrative a little bit because he's 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.760 being forced by the elitist media that is able to 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.240 do that. But you have a different theory on Michigan sight. 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.160 I'm sorry, interrupted, I. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:42.880 Want you to get to that. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.200 No, no, not at all. You know, I think the 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.400 media is very sort of thirsty for this uncommitted vote 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.560 to happen, because first of all, they're very anti Israel, 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.320 and so they love to see people sort of protesting. 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.960 Is rather completely on the side of the pro Palestinian protesters, right. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:05.240 But also to me, this is an alibi for the 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.880 Democrats because I think Joe Biden is going to lose Michigan. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.440 But he's not going to lose Michigan to two hundred 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:16.120 thousand Muslim Americans one hundred thousand uncommitted voters. He's going 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.240 to lose Michigan because there are six hundred thousand auto 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:24.680 workers there and his ev mandates have been absolutely disastrous 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.000 for working class Americans across the country, but especially in Michigan. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:31.839 We know that all of this money into the EV 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.719 market has been deeply punishing to autoworkers. It takes much 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.560 less time on the line to make an electric vehicle 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.800 than it does a regular gas car, and as a result, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.320 these workers are going to have much less work to do. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.000 And this despite the fact that Americans don't want evs, right, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.800 everybody who wants an EV pretty much has one. So 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.839 they make these cars and then they sit on the lots. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.920 People don't buy them, which course ends up costing workers' jobs. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.560 And here is the thing. The Democrats simply cannot admit 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.240 the truth, which is that they lost the working class. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.160 The very united working class working class Americans who are 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.760 Liberals and who are Conservatives. Again, very little separates them. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.440 They certainly don't hate each other. That is a totally 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.719 elite phenomenon. The Democrats lost the working class over the 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.920 course of the last forty fifty years. Instead, today they 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.440 cater to the over credentilled college elites and then the 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:34.520 dependent poor people who can't work or who won't work right, 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.719 who live off the government. That's the Democratic coalition, whereas 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.000 Republicans now represent most working class people and the Democrats 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.760 simply cannot admit that because it is truly outrageous to 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.120 have abandoned labor like that. So instead they masquerade as 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.240 the Party of Labor and then come up with these 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.919 other narratives, Oh, he's going to lose Michigan over the 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.640 uncommitted vote. Oh, you know, they make up these other 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.240 narratives to hide the truth, which is that they lost 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.840 the working class because they betrayed the working class. And 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.000 that's where Donald Trump stepped in and said, I'm going 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.080 to speak to these people. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.599 But see, I don't think that they think of it 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.599 as betraying the working class, because I think they think 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.359 of it as making progress. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.040 To your point about. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.599 Evs, like this is very This is progress in their minds, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.160 even though the consumer doesn't want it. And we've never 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:30.080 seen government before force a product on consumers. And it's 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.360 a product you use every day. I mean, there's nobody 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.840 that doesn't get in a vehicle every day. I'm very 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.480 few people, I imagine don't need a vehicle to get 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.600 somewhere every day. Where you know, in the United States, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.919 there's not a lot of walking. It's in most cities, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.600 in most areas. You're in suburban America, and you need 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.159 a vehicle. So you are taking a product that someone 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.280 uses every day and saying this is no longer acceptable. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.640 You are forced into this, and it's not a small product. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.080 It's not like going out and buying new underwear. This 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.640 is going to cost you a lot of money. It's 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.560 going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars. And 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.480 these evs are going to cost you tens of thousands 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.920 of dollars more than you normally would have to pay 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.840 for something for a vehicle. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.520 And so people are going, what are you doing? But 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:14.920 in Michigan, I think it's. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.800 Especially different because we are the state that put the 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.600 world on wheels. This is our legacy industry. We are 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.960 set up to make gas powered vehicles. We are set 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.680 up to power the country. We are not set up 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.680 to make electric vehicles. The other thing, the other dirty 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.000 little secret about making electric vehicles is that takes a 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:39.240 lot more energy to make electric vehicles, and Michigan is 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.440 not set up for that either. We have some of 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.680 the highest energy costs in the nation in the Midwest. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.880 We have the highest energy cost for businesses. And we've 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.760 just said that we're going to be even more radical 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.520 and go to all renewable energy. When renewable energy just 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.560 like evs, Hey, maybe we do need to make a 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.840 change here, but it has to be a change that 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.840 can actually supplement what the other option was, and at 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.440 this point we don't have that. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:08.440 So it's one thing to say, Okay. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.880 We're going to try to put some of this other 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.840 type of energy in while we continue to innovate, because 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.320 as Americans we are great innovators. We don't have the 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.280 answer just yet, but we're not saying that we're being 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.760 forced into this is the answer. We're gonna put windmills 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.000 in the lake. You're gonna look at your out from 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.400 the beach on Lake Michigan and see windmills, and that's 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.440 going to power these factories. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.160 Well guess what. And now we're no longer a right 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.600 to work state, so guess what. This was the perfect. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.760 Opportunity for the auto manufacturers to say, you know what, Michigan, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:40.080 it's been a good run. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.240 We're heading over to Tennessee. We're going to Kentucky. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.640 And the auto workers feel that the people that are 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.160 a part of the Autoworkers Union, they're in Michigan, they're 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.800 not in Tennessee. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:55.280 It's class warfare. Against the working class. The entire Green 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.599 New Deal is class warfare against the working class. You 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:04.320 know who makes those windmills China, right, I mean, that's 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:09.640 the secret right there. Michigan represents the American dream, right, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.000 It represents what used to be the norm, which is 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.960 the biggest sector of the American economy used to be 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:21.520 in manufacturing, which meant that working class Americans were producing 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:26.080 things for working class consumers. And so the price point 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.160 was set somewhere that both you could have the American 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.520 dream as a worker and you could afford the car 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.240 as a consumer. That was the American dream up until 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.959 the seventies. Now most working class industries are no longer 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.199 like that. They shipped all the good paying working class 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:47.640 jobs overseas to China and Mexico to build up their 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.280 middle class, and then they opened the border and imported 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.319 an entirely new slave cast to drive down the wages 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.240 in the service industry and to telegraph to working class people, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.720 you are nothing if you do this job. This is 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.560 not a job for an American guy. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.360 It was just exactly what I've tried to say to 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:12.040 people so many times, is you are belittling our workers, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.839 the people who put their heart and soul into these 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.000 jobs and telling them, I mean, I come from a 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.480 steel foundry. We had a family steel foundry, And the 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.760 amount of times I was told those jobs are dirty. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.720 No one wants your jobs, Like, do you understand what 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.400 these jobs do? I mean, first of all, you don't 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.160 get the food on your table if you don't have 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.800 us making the farm equipment, So you know what, take 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.719 a hike. And then I mean, these people, what they 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.760 do is something to be proud of, and you're saying, oh. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.720 You know, it's not worth it. These aren't jobs for Americans. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.720 And then what are you saying about the people that 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:45.760 are coming across the borders. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.040 You don't don't actually care about those people. You think 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.239 they're less then. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.360 And that's why they import them to do jobs that 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.640 the elites would be humiliated to do, like be a janitor. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.120 They consider that job beneath contempt. A lot of people 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.400 get a lot of self respect out of having that job. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.880 That is not an embarrassing job to have. It is 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.760 so gross the hatred and contempt for hard working Americans. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.959 You brought up steel. The elites they don't understand trade, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.000 They don't understand what it means to the working class. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.680 But you know who understood that, Trump because he showed 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.240 up and said, you know what, We're gonna have tariffs 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.960 on steel and aluminum. We're gonna have twenty five percent 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.480 tariffs on that. You're not gonna bring in steel from 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.160 China and undercut my workers. Why would we do that? 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:37.240 He up ended the complete status quo that was that 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.600 held on both sides. And when people talk to me 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.679 about Trump's character and how you know they don't like it, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.320 I say to them, do you know what kind of 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.040 a person can show up when there's two parties and 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.160 they both agree that we should be selling out the 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.959 working class, that we should have free trade and open borders, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.040 and you show up and say he showed up and said, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.319 I'm not gonna take on just the other side. I'm 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.240 going to take on my own side. I mean, whoever 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.720 heard of putting on tariffs in America over the last 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.520 forty years? And what is the result. The average wages 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.319 for person working in steel is eighty eight thousand dollars 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.920 a year. That is a middle class wage, and that 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.360 is completely the result of Trump's trade policy. And this 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.440 is something the left just cannot understand because they have 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.959 this innate disrespect for people who work with their hands, 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.439 who do dirty jobs. These people get self respect out 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.480 of those jobs. They think it is beneath them, and 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.079 so they devalued these jobs and devalued this work. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.880 Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:45.880 On a Tutor Dixon podcast, you talked about the importance 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.600 of steel and the tariffs and everything, and I think 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.000 that steel is something in the metal that we use 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.000 for our military equipment all of this. It's just something 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.480 that people really don't understand. Steel is not something you 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.360 dig out of the ground and it just keeps coming. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.160 You have to Actually, there's chemistry to it. You have 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.960 to create it. You have to put the right chemicals 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.520 in it. There's a recipe to every type of steal 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.200 that we use, and right now we don't have the 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.520 people that know how to build the recipe. We don't 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.240 even have many metal or just left in this country, 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.199 and in our universities we have about four or five 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.320 metallurgy degrees left across the country. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.439 We are in a very. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.800 Big national security disaster when it comes to this, and 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.880 yet we're still letting it happen over in China. Oh, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.920 bring in all of our stuff in China. I had 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.480 one of my competitors when I was in the foundry 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.840 industry email me just last week and he said, you're 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.720 going to be shocked by this, but we make parts 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.800 for the military, and they told us that they are 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.679 now it is now a twenty five percent by America clause. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.280 It used to be a ninety percent by America clause 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.559 for any type of product that was going to our military. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.200 Twenty five percent. They just had their orders reduced because 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.360 they're going to bring in seven twenty five percent of 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.319 castings that go on our military vehicles from China, from 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:06.960 our enemy. What. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.439 It's absolutely disastrous. The Democrats are so soft on China, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.720 both foreign policy wise and domestically in terms of jobs. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.680 In terms of that output, you know, there's another outrage, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.320 which is that we spend two hundred billion dollars a 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:28.720 year funding higher education and just one billion dollars a 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:35.000 year funding vocational training. There is such a huge shortage 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:39.240 of skilled trades folks in America today, and that is 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.640 again by design. The Democrats had this idea, starting with 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.600 Clinton and then Obama, that everyone was going to go 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.200 to college because of course, you know what happens when 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.320 you go to college, you become a good little liberal, right, 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.160 like you're getting doctrinated into like their way of thinking. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.920 And so they started funneling billions of dollars into that 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:02.040 and then again cutting off one of the surest pathways 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.480 to the American dream for people who work with their 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.640 hands for a living. It's an absolute outrage. And you know, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.120 the GOP, if they want to become the party of 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.560 the working class beyond Trump, this is a great place 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.120 to start vocational training, give people the training they need 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 to be able to achieve the American dream while working 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.360 with their hands for a living and doing the jobs 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.000 we actually need to survive. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.320 I mean, it is something that my dad used to 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.040 say to me all the time, because my dad was 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.600 an engineer by trade, but he was always on the 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.400 shop floor, and obviously he had worked in foundries his 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.400 entire life, and he used to say, I would have 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.640 definitely been that kid that they would have put on 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.120 Riddlin and said I was an add and that I 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.040 couldn't handle life because I can't sit at a desk. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.440 That's never going to be me. He's like, but look 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.480 at the successful businesses I've been able to create, because 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.440 my gift was not sitting behind a desk and doing 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.920 paperwrock all day. My gift was being out on the 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.920 shop floor, on the line, helping to make a product. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.600 And I think that's the thing that people don't see. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.960 They think there's only value in what you can learn 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.800 in life from a book, which I'm not taking any 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.040 value away from that, But there are people who thrive 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.120 outside of that environment of being at a desk, who 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.160 thrive in a creative space, in a different type of space, 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.640 and oftentimes those are the people who build the businesses. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.360 When I was campaigning, I met this guy and he's like, listen, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.320 he was a billionaire. I was a terrible student, hated school, 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.600 and I decided I wanted to create my own shop, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.800 and I put it in my dad's garage. And then 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.320 we build a pole barn, and then we expanded, and 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.040 then we kept expanding, we kept expanding. He said, today, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.680 with the regulations in this state, they would have never 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.360 let me even start my business. And he said, think 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:52.320 of the hundreds of thousands of people that have been 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.000 fed and created their own home and had their own 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.760 lifestyle because they worked at one of my companies that 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.280 I built over all this time go to college. Said 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.560 it was just my creativity and the idea that I had, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.840 And I think that's what we've stolen from this nation, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:09.440 is entrepreneurship. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.680 Definitely. I do have to disagree with one thing you said. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.520 I do denigrate the learning happens in the universities. I 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.800 think a lot of it is nonsense. I have a PhD, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.680 so I know what I'm talking about when I say 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:26.000 a lot of it is just nonsense, like just total 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.399 just it's just ridiculousness. And a lot of people go 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.000 into STEM. It's true, not everybody gets a Humanity's degree 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.199 like I did, but every person who goes to university 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.480 has to take Composition one oh one, which is taught 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.600 by an income poop like I used to be, like 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:44.000 with the English PhD. And to get an English PhD, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.400 you have to take a critical theory class. You have 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.800 to study critical race theory. So everyone is going through 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.080 that funnel. I think I'm much about these ideas. I 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.000 was in college way before. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.400 That kind of stuff, And honestly, I was just thinking 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:01.160 about this because my daughters came home. My fifth grader 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.159 came home from school, and she was like so and 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:04.640 so his parents are Democrats? 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.520 Do they not like us? And should we not like them? 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.840 And it just hit me so hard because I'm like, man, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.080 when I was a kid, I didn't know what so 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.680 and so's parents did for a living. I barely understood 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.040 what my own parents did for a living, let alone 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.160 that they were Democrats or Republicans. And I'm like, how 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.920 did we get even in education in lower schools? 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:27.520 How did we get to the point. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.520 Where we started this idea that one there's a side, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:31.879 what side are you on? 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.800 You have to pick a side? 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.920 Yeah, it's really awful, and it's so alien to working 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.320 class life. Working class Americans, if they're liberals or conservatives, 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.679 they work side by side with people they disagree with. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.480 I mean, Michigan is probably like a perfect, perfect example 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.239 of this. You'll go into an auto shop, right and 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.240 you know, everybody's unionized, and half the people vote for Trump, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.600 probably more like seventy five eighty percent vote for Trump, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.880 you know, and the other twenty five percent maybe vote 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.600 for Bernie. And then you know, it's it's very The 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.919 idea of hating somebody over who they vote for is 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.640 so alien to average Americans. They simply do not have 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.960 that luxury, and nor would it ever occur to them 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.400 to do that. It's so alien to who we are 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.680 as a nation. And I was so thrilled to find 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.720 out that this polarization doesn't exist in eighty percent of 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.000 the country. It's just us in the elites and the 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.880 media and in politics who keep pushing these narratives trying 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.280 to make people hate each other so that we can 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:29.800 sort of consolidate power. 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.320 Well, and it's also I think there's this terrible thing 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.160 that's happening where it's like personal relevance and too many 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:44.959 people become like political pundans that have to keep it 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.359 going somehow, and so it has to be the next 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:48.320 radical statement. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:50.600 And you see these people who. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:52.920 I think that you know, I would look at them 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.320 and go, gosh, that's the spokesperson for the left. And 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.760 you would look and say, that's the spokesperson for the right. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.640 And yet I'm listening to the person on the right 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.639 and going I do not feel that way. That is 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.320 not okay. And I know what they're doing. I who 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.160 is someone who sees them every day and probably has 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.119 personally met them. I know they're playing a game, and 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.959 it is to get more downloads it's to get more clicks. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.520 It's like an obsession, you know. But I think it's 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:17.800 the same on the other side. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:19.880 I mean, I think that this was kind of how 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.400 things started with AOC, and I do think that she's 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:24.160 kind of toned things back a little bit. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.399