1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. A lot of times, 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: you guys will hear me say that I don't actually 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: think that we are politically that divided as a country, 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: but there are certain issues that make it seem like 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: we are ridiculously divided. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: And I will say that. On occasion. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Bill Maher has had guests on, and that kind of 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: goes in that direction where a guest who is a 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: progressive leftist or someone who's on the far right comes on, 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and people I think across the country are kind of like, 11 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: how did that happen? 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: How are they not that different than me? 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: And I love that about him because I mean, he's 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: certainly not by any means a conservative or a Trump supporter, but. 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: He'll say things. 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: And what I think is funny is conservatives will sometimes 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: cherry pick what he says, because a lot of times 18 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: he'll say something that is pretty conservative, and then at 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: the end he'll say something like, of course Trump is 20 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: horrible and sucks, you know, and then they cut that 21 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: part off because there is a connection between Americans. And 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: so we saw this woman on and it was like 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: this moment where I said, Wow, this is what we've 24 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: been saying in Michigan, but haven't really been able to 25 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: say it, don't know how to say it, and so 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad she agreed to join me today. Batya Unger Sargon. 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: She is the opinion editor of Newsweek and the author 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: of Bad News. How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. Thank 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: you for joining me. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. 31 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: What a pleasure to be here with you. 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 33 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: I am so excited because I heard you. 34 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Honestly, I was listening to what you said about Michigan, 35 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, it's really different when someone who 36 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: is a Democrat or a progressive, someone who comes out 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and says, hey, I'm on the left, says democrats are 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: maybe not seeing. 39 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: What the working class is actually saying. 40 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: And it started out with you talking about the situation 41 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: that we see with the uncommitted vote, and I just 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: thought it was fascinating that you were like, you know, 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: everybody says this is his problem, but I don't know 44 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: if that's why he actually loses Michigan. 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: You can just get into that a little bit. 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: Sure, Absolutely, I completely agree with you in your introduction. 47 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: I think that Americans are much more united than we 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: are divided, especially about the most important issues. If you 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: look at the polling on things that seem so divisive 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: when politicians or the media talk about them, most Americans 51 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: agree on them. There's a huge consensus about seventy percent 52 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: of Americans are on the same page when it comes 53 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: to the most important issues. And of course, because our 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: media and our politicians make money and get power off 55 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: of this polarization narrative, they're constantly pushing it. But it 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: is a canard on this great, great nation. And I 57 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: think you can really see that in what's happening now 58 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: in the primary. So if you look at this whole 59 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: conversation around the uncommitted vote, right, the media was really 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: hyping this up. Are two hundred thousand Muslim Americans living 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: in Michigan going to throw the election for Donald Trump 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: by withholding their vote from Joe Biden over his support 63 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 3: for Israel, which you know between us, he's waffling now, 64 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 3: of course, in part in order to appeal to dearborn right, 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: he's sort of. 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: And I think because just watching the news and that's 67 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: what he thinks is like to your point, that's what 68 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: he thinks is happening in Michigan. And you made a 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: point about polarization being kind of an elitist concept that's 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: been pushed on us, and I think it's shocking to 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: me when. 72 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: I see exactly what you just said. 73 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: He is changing his narrative a little bit because he's 74 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: being forced by the elitist media that is able to 75 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: do that. But you have a different theory on Michigan sight. 76 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, interrupted, I. 77 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: Want you to get to that. 78 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. You know, I think the 79 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: media is very sort of thirsty for this uncommitted vote 80 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: to happen, because first of all, they're very anti Israel, 81 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: and so they love to see people sort of protesting. 82 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: Is rather completely on the side of the pro Palestinian protesters, right. 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: But also to me, this is an alibi for the 84 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Democrats because I think Joe Biden is going to lose Michigan. 85 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: But he's not going to lose Michigan to two hundred 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: thousand Muslim Americans one hundred thousand uncommitted voters. He's going 87 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: to lose Michigan because there are six hundred thousand auto 88 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: workers there and his ev mandates have been absolutely disastrous 89 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: for working class Americans across the country, but especially in Michigan. 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: We know that all of this money into the EV 91 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: market has been deeply punishing to autoworkers. It takes much 92 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: less time on the line to make an electric vehicle 93 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: than it does a regular gas car, and as a result, 94 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: these workers are going to have much less work to do. 95 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: And this despite the fact that Americans don't want evs, right, 96 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: everybody who wants an EV pretty much has one. So 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: they make these cars and then they sit on the lots. 98 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: People don't buy them, which course ends up costing workers' jobs. 99 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: And here is the thing. The Democrats simply cannot admit 100 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: the truth, which is that they lost the working class. 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: The very united working class working class Americans who are 102 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Liberals and who are Conservatives. Again, very little separates them. 103 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: They certainly don't hate each other. That is a totally 104 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: elite phenomenon. The Democrats lost the working class over the 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: course of the last forty fifty years. Instead, today they 106 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: cater to the over credentilled college elites and then the 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: dependent poor people who can't work or who won't work right, 108 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: who live off the government. That's the Democratic coalition, whereas 109 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: Republicans now represent most working class people and the Democrats 110 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: simply cannot admit that because it is truly outrageous to 111 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: have abandoned labor like that. So instead they masquerade as 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: the Party of Labor and then come up with these 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: other narratives, Oh, he's going to lose Michigan over the 114 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: uncommitted vote. Oh, you know, they make up these other 115 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: narratives to hide the truth, which is that they lost 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: the working class because they betrayed the working class. And 117 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: that's where Donald Trump stepped in and said, I'm going 118 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: to speak to these people. 119 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: But see, I don't think that they think of it 120 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: as betraying the working class, because I think they think 121 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: of it as making progress. 122 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: To your point about. 123 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: Evs, like this is very This is progress in their minds, 124 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: even though the consumer doesn't want it. And we've never 125 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: seen government before force a product on consumers. And it's 126 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: a product you use every day. I mean, there's nobody 127 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't get in a vehicle every day. I'm very 128 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: few people, I imagine don't need a vehicle to get 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: somewhere every day. Where you know, in the United States, 130 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of walking. It's in most cities, 131 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: in most areas. You're in suburban America, and you need 132 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: a vehicle. So you are taking a product that someone 133 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: uses every day and saying this is no longer acceptable. 134 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: You are forced into this, and it's not a small product. 135 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: It's not like going out and buying new underwear. This 136 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: is going to cost you a lot of money. It's 137 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars. And 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: these evs are going to cost you tens of thousands 139 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: of dollars more than you normally would have to pay 140 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: for something for a vehicle. 141 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: And so people are going, what are you doing? But 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: in Michigan, I think it's. 143 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Especially different because we are the state that put the 144 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: world on wheels. This is our legacy industry. We are 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: set up to make gas powered vehicles. We are set 146 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: up to power the country. We are not set up 147 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: to make electric vehicles. The other thing, the other dirty 148 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: little secret about making electric vehicles is that takes a 149 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: lot more energy to make electric vehicles, and Michigan is 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: not set up for that either. We have some of 151 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: the highest energy costs in the nation in the Midwest. 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: We have the highest energy cost for businesses. And we've 153 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: just said that we're going to be even more radical 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: and go to all renewable energy. When renewable energy just 155 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: like evs, Hey, maybe we do need to make a 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: change here, but it has to be a change that 157 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: can actually supplement what the other option was, and at 158 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: this point we don't have that. 159 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: So it's one thing to say, Okay. 160 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: We're going to try to put some of this other 161 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: type of energy in while we continue to innovate, because 162 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: as Americans we are great innovators. We don't have the 163 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: answer just yet, but we're not saying that we're being 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: forced into this is the answer. We're gonna put windmills 165 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: in the lake. You're gonna look at your out from 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: the beach on Lake Michigan and see windmills, and that's 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: going to power these factories. 168 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: Well guess what. And now we're no longer a right 169 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: to work state, so guess what. This was the perfect. 170 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: Opportunity for the auto manufacturers to say, you know what, Michigan, 171 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: it's been a good run. 172 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: We're heading over to Tennessee. We're going to Kentucky. 173 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: And the auto workers feel that the people that are 174 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: a part of the Autoworkers Union, they're in Michigan, they're 175 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: not in Tennessee. 176 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: It's class warfare. Against the working class. The entire Green 177 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 3: New Deal is class warfare against the working class. You 178 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: know who makes those windmills China, right, I mean, that's 179 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: the secret right there. Michigan represents the American dream, right, 180 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: It represents what used to be the norm, which is 181 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: the biggest sector of the American economy used to be 182 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 3: in manufacturing, which meant that working class Americans were producing 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: things for working class consumers. And so the price point 184 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: was set somewhere that both you could have the American 185 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: dream as a worker and you could afford the car 186 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: as a consumer. That was the American dream up until 187 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 3: the seventies. Now most working class industries are no longer 188 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: like that. They shipped all the good paying working class 189 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: jobs overseas to China and Mexico to build up their 190 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: middle class, and then they opened the border and imported 191 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: an entirely new slave cast to drive down the wages 192 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: in the service industry and to telegraph to working class people, 193 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: you are nothing if you do this job. This is 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: not a job for an American guy. 195 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: It was just exactly what I've tried to say to 196 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: people so many times, is you are belittling our workers, 197 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: the people who put their heart and soul into these 198 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: jobs and telling them, I mean, I come from a 199 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: steel foundry. We had a family steel foundry, And the 200 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: amount of times I was told those jobs are dirty. 201 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: No one wants your jobs, Like, do you understand what 202 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: these jobs do? I mean, first of all, you don't 203 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: get the food on your table if you don't have 204 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: us making the farm equipment, So you know what, take 205 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: a hike. And then I mean, these people, what they 206 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: do is something to be proud of, and you're saying, oh. 207 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's not worth it. These aren't jobs for Americans. 208 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: And then what are you saying about the people that 209 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: are coming across the borders. 210 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: You don't don't actually care about those people. You think 211 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,239 Speaker 2: they're less then. 212 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: And that's why they import them to do jobs that 213 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: the elites would be humiliated to do, like be a janitor. 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: They consider that job beneath contempt. A lot of people 215 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: get a lot of self respect out of having that job. 216 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: That is not an embarrassing job to have. It is 217 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: so gross the hatred and contempt for hard working Americans. 218 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 3: You brought up steel. The elites they don't understand trade, 219 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: They don't understand what it means to the working class. 220 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: But you know who understood that, Trump because he showed 221 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: up and said, you know what, We're gonna have tariffs 222 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 3: on steel and aluminum. We're gonna have twenty five percent 223 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: tariffs on that. You're not gonna bring in steel from 224 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: China and undercut my workers. Why would we do that? 225 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: He up ended the complete status quo that was that 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: held on both sides. And when people talk to me 227 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: about Trump's character and how you know they don't like it, 228 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: I say to them, do you know what kind of 229 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: a person can show up when there's two parties and 230 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: they both agree that we should be selling out the 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: working class, that we should have free trade and open borders, 232 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: and you show up and say he showed up and said, 233 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna take on just the other side. I'm 234 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: going to take on my own side. I mean, whoever 235 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: heard of putting on tariffs in America over the last 236 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: forty years? And what is the result. The average wages 237 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: for person working in steel is eighty eight thousand dollars 238 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: a year. That is a middle class wage, and that 239 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: is completely the result of Trump's trade policy. And this 240 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: is something the left just cannot understand because they have 241 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 3: this innate disrespect for people who work with their hands, 242 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: who do dirty jobs. These people get self respect out 243 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: of those jobs. They think it is beneath them, and 244 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 3: so they devalued these jobs and devalued this work. 245 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. 246 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: On a Tutor Dixon podcast, you talked about the importance 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: of steel and the tariffs and everything, and I think 248 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: that steel is something in the metal that we use 249 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: for our military equipment all of this. It's just something 250 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: that people really don't understand. Steel is not something you 251 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: dig out of the ground and it just keeps coming. 252 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: You have to Actually, there's chemistry to it. You have 253 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: to create it. You have to put the right chemicals 254 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: in it. There's a recipe to every type of steal 255 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: that we use, and right now we don't have the 256 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: people that know how to build the recipe. We don't 257 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: even have many metal or just left in this country, 258 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: and in our universities we have about four or five 259 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: metallurgy degrees left across the country. 260 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: We are in a very. 261 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: Big national security disaster when it comes to this, and 262 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: yet we're still letting it happen over in China. Oh, 263 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: bring in all of our stuff in China. I had 264 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: one of my competitors when I was in the foundry 265 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: industry email me just last week and he said, you're 266 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: going to be shocked by this, but we make parts 267 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: for the military, and they told us that they are 268 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: now it is now a twenty five percent by America clause. 269 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: It used to be a ninety percent by America clause 270 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: for any type of product that was going to our military. 271 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Twenty five percent. They just had their orders reduced because 272 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: they're going to bring in seven twenty five percent of 273 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: castings that go on our military vehicles from China, from 274 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: our enemy. What. 275 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 3: It's absolutely disastrous. The Democrats are so soft on China, 276 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: both foreign policy wise and domestically in terms of jobs. 277 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: In terms of that output, you know, there's another outrage, 278 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: which is that we spend two hundred billion dollars a 279 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: year funding higher education and just one billion dollars a 280 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: year funding vocational training. There is such a huge shortage 281 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: of skilled trades folks in America today, and that is 282 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: again by design. The Democrats had this idea, starting with 283 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: Clinton and then Obama, that everyone was going to go 284 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 3: to college because of course, you know what happens when 285 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: you go to college, you become a good little liberal, right, 286 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: like you're getting doctrinated into like their way of thinking. 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: And so they started funneling billions of dollars into that 288 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: and then again cutting off one of the surest pathways 289 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: to the American dream for people who work with their 290 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: hands for a living. It's an absolute outrage. And you know, 291 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: the GOP, if they want to become the party of 292 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: the working class beyond Trump, this is a great place 293 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: to start vocational training, give people the training they need 294 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: to be able to achieve the American dream while working 295 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: with their hands for a living and doing the jobs 296 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: we actually need to survive. 297 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it is something that my dad used to 298 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: say to me all the time, because my dad was 299 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: an engineer by trade, but he was always on the 300 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: shop floor, and obviously he had worked in foundries his 301 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: entire life, and he used to say, I would have 302 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: definitely been that kid that they would have put on 303 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Riddlin and said I was an add and that I 304 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: couldn't handle life because I can't sit at a desk. 305 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: That's never going to be me. He's like, but look 306 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: at the successful businesses I've been able to create, because 307 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: my gift was not sitting behind a desk and doing 308 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: paperwrock all day. My gift was being out on the 309 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: shop floor, on the line, helping to make a product. 310 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that people don't see. 311 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: They think there's only value in what you can learn 312 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: in life from a book, which I'm not taking any 313 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: value away from that, But there are people who thrive 314 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: outside of that environment of being at a desk, who 315 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: thrive in a creative space, in a different type of space, 316 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: and oftentimes those are the people who build the businesses. 317 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: When I was campaigning, I met this guy and he's like, listen, 318 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: he was a billionaire. I was a terrible student, hated school, 319 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: and I decided I wanted to create my own shop, 320 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and I put it in my dad's garage. And then 321 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: we build a pole barn, and then we expanded, and 322 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: then we kept expanding, we kept expanding. He said, today, 323 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: with the regulations in this state, they would have never 324 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: let me even start my business. And he said, think 325 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: of the hundreds of thousands of people that have been 326 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: fed and created their own home and had their own 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: lifestyle because they worked at one of my companies that 328 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: I built over all this time go to college. Said 329 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: it was just my creativity and the idea that I had, 330 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we've stolen from this nation, 331 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: is entrepreneurship. 332 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: Definitely. I do have to disagree with one thing you said. 333 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: I do denigrate the learning happens in the universities. I 334 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: think a lot of it is nonsense. I have a PhD, 335 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 3: so I know what I'm talking about when I say 336 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: a lot of it is just nonsense, like just total 337 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: just it's just ridiculousness. And a lot of people go 338 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: into STEM. It's true, not everybody gets a Humanity's degree 339 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: like I did, but every person who goes to university 340 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 3: has to take Composition one oh one, which is taught 341 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: by an income poop like I used to be, like 342 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: with the English PhD. And to get an English PhD, 343 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: you have to take a critical theory class. You have 344 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: to study critical race theory. So everyone is going through 345 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: that funnel. I think I'm much about these ideas. I 346 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: was in college way before. 347 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, And honestly, I was just thinking 348 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: about this because my daughters came home. My fifth grader 349 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: came home from school, and she was like so and 350 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: so his parents are Democrats? 351 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: Do they not like us? And should we not like them? 352 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: And it just hit me so hard because I'm like, man, 353 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I didn't know what so 354 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: and so's parents did for a living. I barely understood 355 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: what my own parents did for a living, let alone 356 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: that they were Democrats or Republicans. And I'm like, how 357 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: did we get even in education in lower schools? 358 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: How did we get to the point. 359 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: Where we started this idea that one there's a side, 360 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: what side are you on? 361 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: You have to pick a side? 362 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really awful, and it's so alien to working 363 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: class life. Working class Americans, if they're liberals or conservatives, 364 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 3: they work side by side with people they disagree with. 365 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: I mean, Michigan is probably like a perfect, perfect example 366 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 3: of this. You'll go into an auto shop, right and 367 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: you know, everybody's unionized, and half the people vote for Trump, 368 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: probably more like seventy five eighty percent vote for Trump, 369 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 3: you know, and the other twenty five percent maybe vote 370 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: for Bernie. And then you know, it's it's very The 371 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 3: idea of hating somebody over who they vote for is 372 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: so alien to average Americans. They simply do not have 373 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: that luxury, and nor would it ever occur to them 374 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: to do that. It's so alien to who we are 375 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: as a nation. And I was so thrilled to find 376 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: out that this polarization doesn't exist in eighty percent of 377 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: the country. It's just us in the elites and the 378 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: media and in politics who keep pushing these narratives trying 379 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: to make people hate each other so that we can 380 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: sort of consolidate power. 381 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Well, and it's also I think there's this terrible thing 382 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: that's happening where it's like personal relevance and too many 383 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: people become like political pundans that have to keep it 384 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: going somehow, and so it has to be the next 385 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: radical statement. 386 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: And you see these people who. 387 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I think that you know, I would look at them 388 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and go, gosh, that's the spokesperson for the left. And 389 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you would look and say, that's the spokesperson for the right. 390 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: And yet I'm listening to the person on the right 391 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: and going I do not feel that way. That is 392 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: not okay. And I know what they're doing. I who 393 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: is someone who sees them every day and probably has 394 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: personally met them. I know they're playing a game, and 395 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: it is to get more downloads it's to get more clicks. 396 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: It's like an obsession, you know. But I think it's 397 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: the same on the other side. 398 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this was kind of how 399 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: things started with AOC, and I do think that she's 400 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: kind of toned things back a little bit. 401 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: But going to the met with a big. 402 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Fancy, expensive dress on that says text the rich is like, 403 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: no ironic, you know. 404 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, it isn't that ironic. 405 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that we're all kind of 406 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: sitting back and going these extremes are not us. 407 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: But how do you actually talk about this? 408 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: Because I find it hard, well, especially as someone who 409 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: ran for office, because I'm automatically like this crazy extremist. 410 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: So it's really it's hard for me to talk to 411 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: the other side because like, I'm that job. But I 412 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: do think that there is a response ability or I 413 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: feel like there should be some responsibility at least in 414 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: the media for someone to go instead of always saying 415 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: that side in this side, we're going to try to 416 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: see ourselves as Americans. But I think the twenty four 417 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: hour news cycle has destroyed that because it's not news, 418 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: it's just drama. 419 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: I do think there's a really interesting thing happening on 420 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 3: exactly this point with Trump, Like he came out the 421 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: other day and said, you know, like you mentioned, I'm 422 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: not a conservative, and I think that is first of all, 423 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: obviously true. But his policy agenda to me seems, you know, 424 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: pretty indistinguishable from a new deal Democrat, a Democrat in 425 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: the nineties, you know, fifteen weeks on abortion, controlling the 426 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 3: border to protect wages. He's actively courting black voters, which 427 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: is just delicious to see, and his voters, by the way, 428 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: his supporters love him for it. You know, he's he's 429 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: very positive and pro gay while being you know, against 430 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: the transgender agenda. That is just where eighty percent of 431 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: Americans no more free trade. Let's have trade that works 432 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: for America first. This is where the working class is at. 433 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: But because he triggers the left, I think intentionally right 434 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: to stay in the headlines. 435 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he literally can't forget anyone. 436 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly right, But. 437 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: So they it's literally invisible to them. When you start 438 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: laying out everything he's done, You're like, where do you 439 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: disagree with this? Like this is stuff Democrats used to 440 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: say when they were like normal. They'll say, oh, January sixth, which, again, 441 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: like the one hundred thousand Muslim uncommitted voters, is just 442 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: a distraction, right because they don't want to talk about 443 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: the policy agenda because it implicates them in having abandoned 444 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 3: the people who vote for him. 445 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 446 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: a Tutor Dixon podcast. 447 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: You know, you talked about the autoworkers voting for Trump, 448 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: and then you said or Bernie Sanders, which I thought 449 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: was in seeing because I have some of our younger 450 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: relatives in our lives who are huge Bernie Sanders supporters. 451 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: And they actually felt really betrayed. 452 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: By the Democrat Party when Donald or when Joe Biden 453 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: became the nominee, because they're like this was manipulated. Everyone 454 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: else was kicked out, Like we didn't get to choose, 455 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: This was not what we were going to choose. And 456 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: I think that there's still there's kind of this group 457 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: of young people that feel like Joe Biden's not really 458 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: our guy, we aren't getting to choose, And I think 459 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there there are waiting 460 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: and saying they're going to put our guy in. Who 461 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: is our guy? We don't know they're going to pick someone. 462 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a whitmer or maybe it's a Newsome, but 463 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: somebody else is coming in to rescue us from this 464 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: guy who is not our person. I don't think that 465 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: that at this point is going to happen. But I 466 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: think it's interesting because the elites have chosen for them 467 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: and they're not even seeing this party of elites, but 468 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: but they've actually been trained to say, also, I'm on 469 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: and elite. I mean, I've had people that are just 470 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: out of college in their twenties and thirties who are like, look, 471 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: I have an advanced degree. 472 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm a part of the elitist class. 473 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's weird that you're willing to come 474 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: out and openly say that. It seems like it would 475 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: be a bad connotation, you know. 476 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: But it's hysterical. Yeah, I think. 477 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: And to your point, the exact opposite happened in the 478 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: GOP right, Trump was outspent two to one. Right, the 479 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: donor class really doesn't want him. They don't like his tariffs, 480 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: they like the open border, whether they'll admit it or 481 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 3: not because it's good for Wall Street, you know. They 482 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: really don't like his economic agenda, and so they poured 483 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: money into Nikki Haley's campaign and these other campaigns, and 484 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: the most amazing, miraculous thing happened, which is the billions 485 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: of dollars spent to try to defeat him between the 486 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: GOP primary and of course the Democrats like law fair 487 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 3: campaign and everything they're throwing at him, and the voice 488 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: of the electorate was unsuppressible. He's still won by leaps 489 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: and baths. I mean, what a miracle, What an amazing country, right, 490 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 3: Like it turns out that the will of the people 491 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: is stronger than the will of the donor class, at 492 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: least on the right. 493 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: It's so funny though, because like behind the scenes, you 494 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: see it all happening. I mean, I think everybody saw 495 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: it happening, but maybe you see it on a different 496 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: level when you're in our position, because you know, all 497 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: these people are like DeSantis is the guy. 498 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: And I remember talking. 499 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: To people and going, I don't think that you understand 500 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: what it is to go against Trump. I mean, even 501 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: as a Trump endorsed candidate, Trump people didn't come out 502 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: and vote for me. There's a special Yeah, there's something 503 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: special about him. And when Chris Christy came out and 504 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: said there's no such thing as a Trump voter. 505 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, God, what are you talking about? 506 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean you, I feel like you're just saying things 507 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: like someday I'll have a unicorn. You know, these are 508 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: not true things. So I don't understand why. And then 509 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: but the thing was that made me upset about this 510 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: is I'm like, you know, you all love Ron DeSantis 511 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: and he has done great things in the state of Florida. 512 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people knew that he 513 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: was the sacrificial lamb. It was more of a let's see, 514 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: let's throw him out there and see if he can 515 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: sink or swim, you know, and if he sinks, then hey, 516 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: it was our investment and we lost. But it's a person, 517 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: and it's become this thing of like the people in 518 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: the political world don't matter anymore because it's the chess 519 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: players at the top. And Trump gets around the chess 520 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: players and they hate it. 521 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, they really really hate him for it. I think 522 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: with DeSantis, I was talking to a sort of policy 523 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: person that I trust who's sort of very much on 524 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 3: the kind of protectionist view of things, and he was 525 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: saying he had had a meeting with DeSantis and he 526 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: tried to talk to him about economic policy and he 527 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: was just completely not interested. And you know, the thing 528 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 3: about working class Americans is in their bone they're anti woke. 529 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 3: They think it's divisive, They it doesn't represent their views. 530 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 3: They think it's intolerant. And the American people are a 531 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: deeply tolerant people. But at the same time, they're economic 532 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: policies like their jobs, good wages, the American dream. That's 533 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: what they're looking to politicians for. They don't need to 534 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: be told by politicians, you know that these are your 535 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 3: values exactly. They know what their values are. They need 536 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: an economic agenda and Trump gets that and DeSantis just 537 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 3: really didn't get it. 538 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: That's such a good point and it's something I've been trying. 539 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: To talk to people about because you know, I had 540 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: a crew come in and it was like, you know, 541 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: we're going to run on anti woke, which was so 542 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: dumb because here's Whitmer, who has all of the horse 543 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: things against her in this state. I mean, the state 544 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: is crumbling, and yet it's like this is working in Florida. 545 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: The But you're so right, and I got to see 546 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: it firsthand. At the end of the day, conservatives are 547 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: really not sitting at home wringing their hands over whether 548 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: or not their child will be transd at school the 549 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: next day. They're wondering if they can afford their groceries. 550 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: You know, they know what their values are within their family. 551 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: They know how to have discussions with their kids. That's 552 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean for all of the we don't want big government, 553 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: let it happen in the family. That's what they're saying. 554 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: And Trump's not in their personal life. Trump is not 555 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: in their bedroom. To your point, he was the most 556 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: pro gay president. Not only was he pro gay in 557 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: the country, but he decriminalized homosexuality across the world in 558 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: many places where he was saying this is not acceptable. 559 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: You know, he and Rick Cornell did great things for 560 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: homosexuality across the globe. Nobody talks about that, and you 561 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: know why nobody talks about it because it's really not 562 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: something that people want to advertise on the right. 563 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: But it was something that he did that was saving. 564 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Lives, and those are the I think that's the way 565 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: you get into office and you say, hey, we're going 566 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: to protect people, We're gonna make sure that our values 567 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: are protected without campaigning on that. What he campaigned on 568 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: is when you go home at night, you're not going 569 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: to worry about whether you can get gas in the morning. 570 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: When you wake up in the morning, you're going to 571 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: know there's a job there. If you're a manufacturer, you're 572 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: going to know that you have employees and energy. And 573 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: guess what, nobody is going to have to worry about 574 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: whether or not their kid's going to get into fentanyl 575 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: because I'm going to close the border. And that is 576 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: something that is so critical. And you know there's this 577 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: narrative and there's been this narrative for years now, well 578 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: the border. Hispanics don't like the border because those the 579 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: open border, those people come and take their jobs. 580 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 2: They take every working class person's job. 581 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: This is not acceptable for the entire United States to 582 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: have unvetted people pouring across the border. 583 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: And that's not to say we don't like immigration. That's 584 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: to say, why would you not protect your own. 585 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: The high water mark for working class wages was in 586 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one. The share of the population that was 587 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: born somewhere else that was an immigrant was four percent. 588 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: We've now seen stagnating working class wages since then fifty years, 589 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: and we are at a new high water mark where 590 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 3: the share of the population that is foreign born is 591 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: around fifteen or sixteen percent, and the majority of them 592 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: are in working class industries jobs that don't require college degree. 593 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: So let me ask you, how can people, literally with 594 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 3: a stray face, say they're not taking people's jobs. We 595 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: have exponentially increased the supply of labor. Of course, that's 596 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: going to drive down wages. In fact, that's probably why 597 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden opened the border, because he thought it would 598 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: tame inflation by lowering working class wages, which is the 599 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: worst possible way you could do it. You're literally upward 600 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: transfer of wealth from the working class to the elites 601 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: who consume illegal labor, who hire these people, and they 602 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: have to pay them less now than they would have 603 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: to pay an American. It is again class warfare against 604 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: the working class. 605 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of the ultimate gaslight too, because 606 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: he's out there and he's like, you know, we've got 607 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: to have this is the loving thing to do. We 608 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: have these people coming in and just so you know, 609 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm not the problem. Corporations are the bad guy, but 610 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: he's actually I mean, it's like talking trash about your 611 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: enemy and then going home and sleeping in the same bed. 612 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, these are the people funding you. 613 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we know, but I don't think that most 614 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: people do know. I think that, I mean, I think 615 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: that narrative is starting to break on both sides. And 616 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm not just picking on Joe Biden, because I've seen 617 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: it on the Republican side too. And I do think 618 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: that there is way too much corporate control over politicians, 619 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: and that is because we decided, Okay, politicians can only 620 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: bring in this much money, but you can have all 621 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: this dark money, and the dark money wins elections and 622 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: it is such an ugly, ugly process. And I could 623 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: probably talk about that for a long time, but I 624 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: have kept you already longer than I promised. But it's 625 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: been fascinating. I've just so enjoyed our conversation. 626 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 627 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 3: What an absolute pleasure. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 628 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: Yes, it's been so much fun. And I know you 629 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: have another book coming out. I didn't know if you 630 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: wanted to promo that. If you can tell us a 631 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: little bit about that before you go. 632 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called Second Class, How the elites betrayed America's 633 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 3: working men and women, And it's about everything we just 634 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 3: talked about. So if that sounds like you're jam you 635 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 3: can pre order it on Amazon today. 636 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be amazing because this has 637 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: been so much fun. Batiya Ungers are Gone. Thank you 638 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: so much for coming on today. 639 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: Thank you God bless and. 640 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 641 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: For this episode and others, go to Tutor dixonpodcast dot com. 642 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: You can subscribe right there, or head over to the 643 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts 644 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: and join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 645 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: Have a blessed day.