1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hi, this is new due to the virus I'm recording 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: from home. See you may notice a difference in audio 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: quality on this episode of Newts World. One of my 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: personal heroines is Kay James. She has a quintessentially American 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: life story. She grew up in poverty with a family 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: on welfare, an abusive alcoholic father, but a loving mother, 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: an extended family that helped raise her and encouraged her education. 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: She is the embodiment of the great gift we are 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: given by our founders, and the values and principles that 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: allow us all to overcome and rise up and live 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: the American dream. She is a conservative because of her background, 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome my guest, Kay James, as President 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: of the Heritage Foundation, America's premier conservative think tank. Kay 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: leads a team devoted to promoting America's core values. Kay 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: is an extensive background and crafting public policy and leading 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: in nearly every sector of America's economy. She's worked at 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: the local, state, and federal levels of government under the 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: administrations of former US President George H. W. Bush, former 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Virginia Governor George Allen, and former US President George W. Bush, 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: and has also served dozens of organizations in the corporate 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: and nonprofit arenas. Kay has a passion for serving the 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: youth of America and substantial experience in the field of education. 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: I am delighted to have somebody I've known and admired 24 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: for many, many years join us today, Kay James, the 25 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: president of the Heritage Foundation. I really wanted to talk 26 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: with Kay about what the Heritage Foundation is doing now, 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: how she sees the twenty twenty election, and also how 28 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: America's core values can help us overcome our current social 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: unrest and build a better tomorrow for all Americans. But 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: if you don't mind it, and I know you don't 31 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: always talk about this, would you chat first just about 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: your life. You are my personal heroines, and I think 33 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: that you have had such a remarkable life and have 34 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: accomplished so many different things that I think people will 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: find it inspirational just to listen to you. Now, you know, 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: I really didn't come to understand how quintessentially American my 37 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: life story was until much later in life. I sort 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: of took it for granted. But I think my love 39 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: for this country and for all the hope that is 40 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: America comes from that experience. Literally not figuratively but literally, 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: being born on a kitchen table, delivered by a nurse 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: midwife because my mother couldn't afford to go to the hospital, 43 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: coming out of almost every dysfunction that we know of, 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: every pathology that exists in our urban areas today, from 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: being raised in a home that sustained itself through the 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: welfare system, for dealing with an absent father who was 47 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: struggling with the addiction to alcohol and because of his alcoholism, 48 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: was absent and when present abuses, given an opportunity to 49 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: be educated, because our family stuck together and my mother's 50 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: sisters all pitched in because as you and I know, 51 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: the family is the first department of Health and Human Services. 52 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: So I have experienced every hope that is America. I 53 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: have had the privilege of seeing the dream come true. 54 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: So when people point out the negatives about our country, 55 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: I must admit that I'm a bit of a Pollyanna 56 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: because what I see are not the negatives. But what 57 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: I see is the great gift we were given by 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: our founders in terms of our founding documents and our 59 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: founding principles that allows us to overcome any flaw that 60 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: we have. And we have them. We do have them. 61 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: But if my life says anything to me, it says 62 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: that this country gives us the framework for success. That 63 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: plus a mother who taught us that we were survivors 64 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: and not victims of anything, I think put the pieces 65 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: in place for me to live the American dream, and 66 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: now to have the opportunity to go out and say 67 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: to people that I'm not a conservative in spite of 68 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: the fact that I was born to a welfare mom 69 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: and experienced that entire welfare system. I'm a conservative because 70 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: of my background. And for a lot of people this 71 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: is an academic exercis eyes as we take our conservative 72 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: values and messages to the American people and around the world. 73 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: But to me, it's far more than just an intellectual exercise. 74 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: To me, it's a matter of life or death. I 75 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: know that the values and principles that you and I 76 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: share in common, when implemented, we see human flourishing. We 77 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: know that with the things that we believe, we can 78 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: lift people out of poverty, we can close the education gap, 79 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: we can provide access to healthcare, all the things that 80 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: people say they desperately want and need. At this moment 81 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: in my life, I have the opportunity to sit atop 82 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: an organization that while I can tell the stories and 83 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: they can provide the research, the data, and the analysis 84 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: to prove that our conservative values work to change lives. 85 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I've seen it in my own personal life, and I've 86 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: seen what it can do for our country. So I'm curious, though, 87 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: because you've had ups and downs in your life, and 88 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: you've faced unique challenges you couldn't possibly have been prepared 89 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: for until they happen. Whenever you started to get down 90 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: or you started to give up, what was it that 91 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: you drew upon? How did you sort of mobilize yourself 92 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: to keep going forward. That's a great question, and it's 93 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: a complex answer. The first thing that comes to mind, 94 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: and it probably is the bedrock. I believe that I 95 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: am as resilient as I am because of my faith. 96 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: It informs who I am. It gives me the inspiration 97 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: to go on and to continue. Faith matters. I used 98 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: to say to audiences a while ago, particularly African American audiences, 99 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: that old Black gospel hymn doesn't say we've come this 100 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: far by government. It says we've come this far by 101 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: faith and leaning on the Lord. And so sometimes I think, 102 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: as we have become educated and sophisticated and thoughtful and 103 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: intellectual people discard the things that got them there, and 104 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: so I have never rejected the basis that my mother 105 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: gave me. She also told me from a very beginning 106 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: that we are survivors, we are not victims. And I 107 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: will never forget something that was said to me very 108 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: early in life by one of my mentors, which is 109 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: that the only difference between a successful person and a 110 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: failure is the successful person gets up. And what he 111 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: meant by that is we all get knocked down. We 112 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: all have failures. There's not one of us who makes 113 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: it through this life without that. But at the end 114 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: of the day, you got to get up. In my head, 115 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: I allow myself a certain amount of time to process failure, 116 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: to learn from failure. But the one thing that I 117 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: will never do is stay down. You may knock me down, 118 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: but eventually I'm going to get back up. And I 119 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: think I'm able to do that because of being grounded 120 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: in faith, being grounded in a very very strong and 121 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: supportive family, and by leading a very balanced life. I 122 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: do not take myself too seriously. I really don't. I 123 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: have been able to accomplish what I've been able to 124 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: accomplish because a supportive family and because of always always 125 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: surrounding myself with excellent people. And one of the things 126 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I love about the work that I do at the 127 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation is that I am surrounded by some of 128 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: the most thoughtful, passionate conservative minds. I just have the 129 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: privilege of leading, but I recognize that to keep going 130 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: you need to surround yourself with great people. I think 131 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorite lines we try to teach members 132 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: when we are trying to grow a majority, it was 133 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: cheerful persistence. I learned that from one of my personal 134 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: and many conservatives personal heroes, Ronald Reagan, who was a 135 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: cheerful warrior. At the end of the day, one of 136 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: my favorite emotions is laughing through tears. I learned that 137 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: watching one of my favorite movies still make no you. 138 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: So even when I'm down, even when there are those 139 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: days that drive you to tears, learn to laugh. I think, 140 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: because my family has never taken me or my job 141 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: too seriously. I can be fighting major, major battles in 142 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: the public policy arena, but when I came home at night, 143 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: all they wanted to know is what are we doing 144 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: for dinner. So you know, you have to remember the 145 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: things that matter and the things that are important. And 146 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: I heard someone say a lot long time ago, particularly 147 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: as women, we juggle many balls, but it's always important 148 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: to remember which ones are crystal and which one's a rubber. 149 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: And the rubber balls will bounce if you drop them. 150 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: The crystal balls will be very, very difficult to put 151 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: back together again. Being a mother, being a grandmother, being 152 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: a friend, those things really matter to me. Well, I 153 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: love that. I'm going to steal that one. I stole 154 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: it from someone, but I just don't know who. So 155 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: one of their broad questions for second, because that you've 156 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: had such a remarkable career, what is the biggest surprise 157 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: to you in your time as president of Heritage? Wow, 158 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: biggest surprise, I guess My biggest surprise has been how 159 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: difficult it is, in this environment that we're in right 160 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: now to articular late a conservative message in a compelling 161 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: way and not be trashed by fellow conservatives for doing it. 162 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: So I discovered that we have in our movement and 163 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: we must learn as a movement, I believe, to recognize 164 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: how important each of the elements are. Some folks are warriors, 165 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: and they have sharp elbows, and they go out and 166 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: they throw them, and we need that. Some people are 167 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: to use a biblical analogy. I talk about prophets, priests 168 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: and kings, and the prophets are thus say of the 169 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: Lord the sharp elbows. They go out there and they 170 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: tell the story. And then there are those individuals who 171 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: go out and win people to the movement with their 172 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: winsome ways, compelling arguments. And I think we as conservative 173 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: need to be okay with doing more of them. At 174 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: years and years ago, I've been saying this for thirty 175 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: years now. I've watched and I will see a liberal 176 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: go into a room full of people, be absolutely quiet, 177 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: and go from group to group to group to group, 178 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: and put together a strategy for how they're going to 179 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: win each one of them. Now, some may call that pandering, 180 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: some may call it strategic, but they sharpen the and 181 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: hone their messages to win them over. We as conservatives, 182 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: walk into that same room, go to the middle of 183 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: the room and declare the truth. Now it is the truth. 184 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: But having said that, if folks don't listen and they 185 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: don't disengage from the conversation therein, our strategy is to 186 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: then say it louder, and if that doesn't work, then 187 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: we will get on a soapbox and scream it even louder. 188 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: And so I have spent a good portion of my 189 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: life trying to figure out I need to break through 190 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: to you. I need you to understand. And so I 191 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: like to take complex public policy and figure out how 192 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: to articulate it to different audiences so that we can 193 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: win them over. And I have found and been so 194 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: surprised to see that in the conservative movement we spend 195 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: most of our time talking to our base, gemming them up, 196 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: getting them excited, which we need to do, and far 197 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: too little time focusing on how do we win more 198 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: people to our side of the equation. And I think 199 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: increasingly in the future that's going to be even more 200 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: important to do, because if we don't increase our numbers 201 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: in culture, we will never increase our numbers at the 202 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: polling booth. You have written on the dangers of election fraud. 203 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Tell us from your perspective what your concerns are about 204 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: the election this fault. Well, I am concerned, and I 205 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: wrote a piece just recently with the intent of diffusing 206 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: some of the arguments from the left because the strategy is, 207 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: and I do believe this is a strategy, is to 208 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: claim that anyone who is concerned about election integrity is 209 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: actually only concerned about suppressing the vote. And so for 210 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: that reason, I thought my voice on this issue might 211 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: be particularly helpful. Because they also claim that the reason 212 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: they want to suppress the vote is because they are 213 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: racist and they want to diminish minority voting in this 214 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: and all elections. The reality is that we as conservatives, 215 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: know that the right to vote is almost sacred. I 216 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: tell the story of how I watch the Afghan people 217 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: dip their fingers in ink and stand in long lines 218 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: to have voter integrity, and those who suffered having their 219 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: fingers cut off, who showed up at the next election 220 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: to cast their vote, that we as Americans have somehow 221 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: made the right to vote in this country something that 222 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: we don't revere quite enough. I don't believe I want 223 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: election integrity, first of all, because I sincerely believe if 224 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: you give me a platform in the marketplace of ideas, 225 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: I can and will win. So I'm not afraid of 226 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: the debate. I'm not afraid of suppressing minority votes because 227 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: I believe I can win them. So I have no 228 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: desire to suppress the vote. I want every American to vote. 229 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: But every time that we actually go out and witness 230 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: voter fraud, that is suppressing a vote. And that's suppressing 231 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: a vote because someone made it to the polls through 232 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: difficult circumstances in order to have their vote count, and 233 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: voter fraud eliminates that vote. So voter fraud is what 234 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: suppresses the vote, not voter integrity. So I want everybody 235 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: to vote, and I want every vote to count, and 236 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: I want the American people to have confidence in our system. 237 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: We just can't have confidence in our electoral process if 238 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: in fact, people are fearful that folks are out collecting 239 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: votes and casting votes for people who died years and 240 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: years ago, where votes are not found until months after 241 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: an election and it's too late to have them count. 242 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: I think that the vote is so important and so 243 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: sacred that we need to make sure that every vote 244 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: counts and that every American votes. I don't want to 245 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: suppress anybody's vote, and I have enough confidence in our 246 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: ideas to believe that when we are in that marketplace, 247 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: we can win. We don't need to suppress the vote. 248 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: We can win the vote You sort of made that 249 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: point in an article you wrote for the Washington Times 250 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: when you said Reagan's call for conservatism needs to be 251 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: heard today. And I think you and I are both 252 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: of a generation where we remember being galvanized in nineteen 253 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: sixty four when he went on national TV and gave 254 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: his great speech, A Time for Choosing. Don't you find 255 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: that these issues are sort of timeless? As a matter 256 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: of fact, I've written a piece I haven't published it 257 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: yet where I actually take Reagan's speech A Time for Choosing, 258 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: which I actually taught in graduate school because I thought 259 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: that speech was so profound and looked at how you 260 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: could give that exact same speech today but with different numbers. 261 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: So I changed the numbers and updated it. But the 262 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: issues are timeless, and they are real. I think when 263 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: Reagan gave the speech, we were in a slightly different 264 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: place nude. I think when Reagan gave the speech, it 265 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: was a time for choosing which way we might want 266 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: to go as a nation, a time for choosing a 267 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: liberal over conservative. I think that right now, and I 268 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: do not believe this is an overstatement that what we're 269 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: choosing in this coming election is do we survive as 270 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: a democracy, republic that we were given by our founders. 271 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: Do we survive as the America that we know so 272 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: much will change. It's important for people to look at 273 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: what's the agenda. What are they not talking about in 274 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: the campaign season, but have said if elected they will do. 275 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: They have said, as liberals, we want to change the 276 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: structure of the Supreme Court and actually pack the court. 277 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: They have said that we want to get rid of 278 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: the electoral College. They have said we want to defund 279 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: the police. They have said that the things that we 280 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: know of and recognize as the bedrock of this country 281 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: they want to change. I never thought that I would 282 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: have to actually write a peace to defend the Constitution. Yes, 283 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: Heritage has written many great documents that explain the Constitution, 284 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: that explain each of its segments and why they are important. 285 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: We've actually got to go back and say why the 286 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: Constitution matters. I was actually challenged by a college student 287 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: that said, I don't understand why you conservatives cling so 288 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: much to the Constitution and why you want to be originalist. 289 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: He didn't use the term originalist, but that's what he meant. 290 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: Why do you believe in being a strict constructionist that 291 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Why do you believe in every word 292 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: of the Constitution? And so I believe that we actually 293 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: have to go back and explain that because we have 294 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: an whole generation that was not given any Civics education, 295 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: and as a result of that, we see our founding 296 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: principles eroding in this country. And that's why this is 297 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: the time of choosing. Do you choose the Constitution or not? 298 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Do you choose the electoral College or not? Do you 299 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: choose the Supreme Court or not? Do you choose the 300 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: safety and protection in our communities that the police bring 301 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: or not? We will be looking at a very, very 302 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: different America if our conservative values and principles don't succeed. 303 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: How much are you worried by the Gallipole report that 304 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: last year forty three percent of Americans said socialism would 305 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: be a good thing for the country compared to back 306 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty two. Not as worried as some. But 307 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: the reason I am not as worried as some is 308 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: because if you drill down in that pole and ask 309 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: people what your socialism, they don't know. They have a 310 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: foggy idea that it just means the government helping people. 311 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: And who could be against that. So I think we 312 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: have to sharpen those images and help people to understand 313 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: what socialism is, because I believe that as we do that, 314 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: and as we show those images, you're going to see 315 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: us really stepping up at the Heritage Foundation in the 316 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: public arena to draw those distinction. Nowhere on the planet 317 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: where socialism has been tried, has it succeeded, And it 318 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: will hurt the very people that they claim to want 319 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: to help. There's a certain group of people that we 320 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: will never win, the people who bring chaos to the streets, 321 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: the people who are anarchists, the Antifa crowd. We will 322 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: never win them. But there's a whole other group of 323 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: Americans who are compassionate people who want to help, and 324 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: that rhetoric sounds good to them. And what I'm trying 325 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: to get the conservative movement to understand is we need 326 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: to go to them and explain to them why we 327 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: are experiencing the unintended consequences of their misguided compassion. They 328 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: don't understand nude, and I think we've got to do 329 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: a better job of explaining. You mentioned briefly Antifa and 330 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter and that whole rise. Why has it 331 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: been so hard for us to get across. Particularly in 332 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: the case of Antifa. There's no question that it's a 333 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: terrorist organization totally dedicated to using violence to bring down 334 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: the United States. Why has that been such a hard 335 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: thing to drive home? Well, I think it's because we 336 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: are not getting very much help from people who are 337 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: a little to the left of center in managing and 338 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: corralling their own I would like to see some leadership 339 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: within the Democrat Party step up and say that's not 340 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: who we are. They won't condemn that. It's not enough 341 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: for us as conservative to condemn it. As a matter 342 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: of fact. The concern that I have is not only 343 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: will they not condemn it, but they are, for the 344 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: benefit and the purposes of winning elections embracing it. And 345 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: I think until good Americans on both sides of the 346 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: political divide and the ideological divide, until we both condemn 347 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: those elements within our own ranks we need to condemn, 348 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: and I think we do. On the conservative side. We 349 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: are not hesitant at all to say that white supremist 350 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: and nationalists who preach hate, those individuals we will not tolerate. 351 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: They are not a part of our movement. And we 352 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: say it without being embarrassed or ashamed to say it. 353 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: I need the folks on the left to do the 354 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: same thing. One of the things that Heritage was a 355 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: real pioneer, and I know because I was there at 356 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: the time, was the development of school choice for parents 357 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: and children and the idea that nobody should be trapped 358 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: in a bad school. And it strikes me that the 359 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: whole Teachers Union response to COVID has increase the desirability 360 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: of parents having the right to do some research for 361 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: this and turn out the back. In two thousand, there 362 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: are only four school choice programs in the US. Today, 363 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: there are sixty three programs supporting private school choice in 364 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: twenty nine states and the two plumba. There are twenty 365 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: six voucher programs in fifteen states, and there are twenty 366 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: three tax credit scholarship programs in eighteen states and five 367 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: education savings account programs. I know you've been involved in 368 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: this for years. How do you see the growth and 369 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: the evolution of all notion apparental choice for their children 370 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: to have for the best fossil school. Well, first of all, 371 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: you know my nature is to always make lemonade when 372 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: handed a sack of lemons. That's just who I am, 373 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: That's what I do. I have said to parents and 374 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: to conservative leaders right now, in the midst of this 375 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: horrible pandemic, seize the moment, because more parents than ever 376 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: are struggling with how to educate their kids, and this 377 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: is an opportunity for us to explain to them why 378 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: school choice matters. First of all, for all the people 379 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: who have been complaining for years, our kids are not 380 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: getting Civics education. They're at home. Now, there's several courses online. 381 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: This is the opportunity carpe DM seize the moment. I 382 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: would also say that we should not miss this opportunity 383 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: because for the first time, many parents who never thought 384 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: about alternative educational opportunities are now thinking about them and 385 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: trying to figure them out. So we should step up 386 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: and present them with alternatives and the resources, and at 387 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: Heritage we're trying to do exactly that. I think that 388 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: we have more of an audio to make our case 389 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: than we've ever had before. And we also recognize that 390 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: there's so many school districts which just were not prepared 391 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: for this, and our kids education has suffered as a 392 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: result of it. The whole issue of teachers unions They 393 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: told us a long time ago that they were there 394 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: to represent teachers, not students. We have to be the 395 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: advocates for the kid in the classroom. And I did 396 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: an experiment once with a group of African American college 397 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: students who were mostly all liberal. I put a picture 398 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: up of a poor black kid and said, get rid 399 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: of all your talking points. Your job is to advocate 400 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: for that child. And I gave them materials from across 401 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: the board. I didn't hold anything back, teachers, unions, Heritage Foundation, 402 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: education choice groups, everything, And I said, I want you 403 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: to spend the entire afternoon and come back what they 404 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: plan for that kid. Don't talk to me about unions, 405 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: don't talk to me about school administration. Tell me how 406 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: are you going to educate that child? And new they 407 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: came back later in the afternoon and they came up 408 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: with ideas that were to the right of anything you 409 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: or I would suggest. Because when you advocate for that 410 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: child and you get rid of the notion that somehow 411 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: schools are in place for administrators and teachers, and you 412 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: remember who the client is, that's when you come up 413 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: with great policy. I think that's exactly right, and I 414 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: think it's trying to say. You have been deeply involved 415 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: in the National Coronavirus Recovery Commission, which brought together experts 416 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: to look at where we go from here. What's your 417 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: sense of this commission and to what degree are you 418 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: confident that we will move forward? First of all, I'm 419 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: extremely confident that we will move forward. I have said 420 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: to anyone who would listen that this particular issue and 421 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: how we handle it as a nation is more of 422 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: an election issue than Joe Biden and anything he has 423 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: to say. We believe sincerely, deeply that we've got to 424 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: do both things. It's not either or. We must protect 425 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: the health and safety of American citizens and we must 426 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: get our economy going again. And I refuse to let 427 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: anyone turn that into some sort of dichotomy where you 428 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: have to pick, you don't have to pick. And so 429 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: what that means is that we as Americans have got 430 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: to figure out the safest way to get back the 431 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: economy and get it going again. We know that we 432 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: must protect lives and livelihoods, and you can we laid 433 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: out a blueprint for how to do that, but it's 434 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: going to require something out of each and every one 435 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: of us. Some of us who don't want to wear 436 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: masks may have to. We've got people who believe the 437 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: whole thing is a hoax. We've got to convince them though, 438 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: this is a serious pandemic and it must be taken seriously. 439 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: And we've got to convince people that we can open 440 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: our schools, our businesses, and we can do it safely. 441 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: So let's get that done. I think when the American 442 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: people realize that it's not either or, we must do both, 443 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: and we will rise to the occasion and do that. 444 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: I have been so encouraged by how the private sector 445 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: has stepped up for this, what our drug companies are 446 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: doing with trying to get a vaccine done, what some 447 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: of our retailers and how they responded to keep the 448 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: supply chain going during this pandemic has been extraordinary. I 449 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: have been surprised at some of our federal government agencies 450 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: and how they have used every resource. There's an untold 451 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: story that I tried to tell in our final report 452 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: of how even the Department of Energy used its supercomputers 453 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: to come up with data that can help solve this crisis. 454 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: So there was no area of our government that the 455 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: President didn't marshal to address this. He really did do 456 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job what the American people need to understand 457 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: and what we haven't done a good job of, I believe, 458 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: is explaining what it means to be in the fog 459 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: of war. Why we called it the novel coronavirus from 460 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: the beginning. Yes, we got one set of instructions one 461 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: week and then we changed two weeks later. Why because 462 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: we learned things. We knew things, and so we've got 463 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: to explain. I want to see the President go to 464 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: a microphone and say, look, what I say to you 465 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: today is based on the knowledge, the information, the science 466 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: that we have today. As we gain information, that may change, 467 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: and I will come back here and tell you that 468 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: in that moment. But you need to trust that. Every 469 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: single day we wake up and we're trying to figure 470 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: out how to defeat this virus and how to get 471 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: America open again. But we have to show grace to 472 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: our leaders, even to our scientists, who change their analysis 473 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: as they learned more. And that's okay, it's okay. We 474 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: were learning as we go. We have to use the 475 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: lessons that we learned, correct some of our systems and 476 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: put those things in place. Because we don't need to 477 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: make the same mistake twice. I want to thank you 478 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: for what is literally a lifetime of public service and 479 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: public leadership. And I want to thank you for this conversation, 480 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: which I think people will find fascinating. And on another occasion, 481 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: I hope we can have you come back and just 482 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: talk through your biography, which is in and of itself 483 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: an extraordinary tribute both to you as a person and 484 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: to America as a system that's open to talent and 485 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: hard work. So thank you Kay for being with us. 486 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh Nut, thank you, and thank you for the role 487 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: that you personally have played in my life over these 488 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: years as a person that I can share thoughts and 489 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: ideas and think through things with. You really are a 490 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: true thought leader. And now I'll answer your questions. Brenda 491 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: am from Minnesota rights we are Trump all the way. 492 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't understand how mail in votes can steal the election. 493 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: Can you explain? Well, the reality is that tradition mail 494 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: in votes where you vote absentee, is not a threat 495 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: because we know who you are. You write in, you're 496 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: a registered voter, You get one ballot which goes to you, 497 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: you vote and send it back in the whole thing 498 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: is controlled and we know who actually voted. The danger 499 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: is when you have this huge system of just mailing 500 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: out ballots to people who never ask for them. In Nevada, 501 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: for example, they asked the post Office, wrote a letter 502 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: to the legislature and said, if we do what you want, 503 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: there are two hundred thousand names that are not living 504 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: in Nevada at one time or another, we're on our rolls, 505 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: so we'll be sending out two hundred thousand extra ballots 506 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: to people who don't exist. And then what happens is 507 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: they sit at an apartment house, so they sit in 508 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: the nursing home, and somebody comes along and collects them, 509 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: and suddenly somebody might vote thirty times. That's why we 510 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: worry about a balk mail ballot as opposed to an 511 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: absentee ballot. It's a great question, but thank thank you 512 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: to my guests, Kay James. You can read more about 513 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: her life and leadership at the Heritage Condition on our 514 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 1: show page at Newtsworld dot com. News World is produced 515 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: by Gingwish three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producers Debbie 516 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: Myers and our producer is guarns Slam. The artwork for 517 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: the show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks to 518 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: the team at Gingwich three sixty. 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It's an 527 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: extraordinary film that clearly lays out how Joe Biden may 528 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: have helped his son Hunter Biden secure lucrative business deals 529 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: with the Chinese. I'm new Gingrich. This is neutral