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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sniffy's Cruising Confessions.
Speaker 3: I'm Gabeln Sadez and I'm Christotison Rosso.
Speaker 4: Each week, we explore the sublime world of queer sex, cruising,
Speaker 4: and relationships.
Speaker 1: We talk to queer folks of all kinds. We'll ask
Speaker 1: some questions, swap sex stories, share intimate revelations, and provide
Speaker 1: practical advice that you can use at home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So today we're doing it. Okay, we're dipping our
Speaker 1: toes into the discourse. Before we dive into today's episode,
Speaker 1: we'll need to read you a I'm apologizing in advance, Chris,
Speaker 1: would you mind reading this for us?
Speaker 3: I'll do my best. Okay.
Speaker 4: So the quote reads, why are you as a woman
Speaker 4: stepping foot in a gay bar dark room. There's nothing
Speaker 4: for you here.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, this is a real emergency.
Speaker 3: Someone please call my own one because this episode.
Speaker 1: There's a woman in the dark room. Okay, So some
Speaker 1: of our favorite replies to the message we just read
Speaker 1: include god forbid, a woman has hobbies. That was a
Speaker 1: good one. Another one was on a dirty floor on
Speaker 1: your knees, kate out with a stranger's dick in your mouth.
Speaker 1: But a girl coming in is where you draw the line.
Speaker 3: It is supporting my trade as he explores his bisexuality, a.
Speaker 1: Great reason to be in the dark room, And my
Speaker 1: personal favorite, fondly remembering the time a woman walked by
Speaker 1: my then boyfriend eating me out at a circuit party
Speaker 1: and pushed his head in deeper. Thanks for the assist, queen.
Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's Ally's ship, that's Ali.
Speaker 1: Ship, that's real.
Speaker 4: And other people pointed out the irony of having sex
Speaker 4: in a public place and being mad that other people
Speaker 4: were there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, this post in particular was probably rage bait,
Speaker 1: get retweets, be honest. It feels like some op ed
Speaker 1: or social media post along these lines. Pops up every
Speaker 1: couple of years and it goes viral and it starts
Speaker 1: the same reductive discourse, and we're exhausted.
Speaker 4: And to be clear, we're not talking about a messy
Speaker 4: bachelorette party, touching people inappropriately or dropping gayzlers. That's its
Speaker 4: unute problem. But that's really about someone's behavior. But by
Speaker 4: assuming any woman or of him presenting person doesn't belong
Speaker 4: in a dark room or at a gay bar or
Speaker 4: even on Sniffy's, that's not about their behavior, it's about
Speaker 4: who they are exactly.
Speaker 1: Also, not everyone is there for you. If you want
Speaker 1: a room full of CIS gay men, go hang out
Speaker 1: at Azara. This has been a constant debate and struggle
Speaker 1: within the queer community. Somebody I think back to is
Speaker 1: Cynthia Slater. She's an activist in San Francisco in the
Speaker 1: seventies and she actually worked to petition a gay fisting
Speaker 1: bar called the Catacombs to let in women. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a woman, I'm into fisting. Yeah, let us the
Speaker 1: fuck in. She finally got the Catacombs to allow women
Speaker 1: to enter the space to the fisters. She gathered knowledge
Speaker 1: and information and then she brought it back to lesbians
Speaker 1: outside of the Catacombs outside of San Francisco, and was
Speaker 1: one of the very influential people started kind of the
Speaker 1: S and M movement among queer women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like if she hadn't gone to these spaces,
Speaker 4: it wasn't allowed in these spaces, none of that would
Speaker 4: have happened.
Speaker 1: If that hadn't happened, rightly, right, And we would assume
Speaker 1: that we want to share queer knowledge.
Speaker 5: We do.
Speaker 1: If you're good at fisting, yeah, show it off, share
Speaker 1: that information. We don't want people fisting poorly. But like,
Speaker 1: this is like over fifty years ago at this point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like, why are
Speaker 1: we still still having this conversation exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, in today's episode, we're going to talk about women
Speaker 4: in gay spaces and why it could be more fun
Speaker 4: to welcome the men than to freak out about it.
Speaker 3: Let's meet our guests.
Speaker 1: Russian Frankie are a very fun, adventurous couple who make
Speaker 1: adult content and live life on their own terms. They
Speaker 1: travel the world together, filming their experiences hooking up with
Speaker 1: very hot people in all kinds of amazing places, from
Speaker 1: busy cities to quiet beaches.
Speaker 4: With real chemistry and a love for new adventures. Question
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Speaker 1: Got the cutest couple we've had increasing Confession's history here
Speaker 1: and wet wo. Sorry buddy, it used to be me
Speaker 1: and Chris.
Speaker 3: Coming for a gig. So let's get into your story.
Speaker 3: How did y'all meet?
Speaker 6: Okay, so my gay friend he came over in my
Speaker 6: apartment and he showed me a flyer from the strip
Speaker 6: club he worked at.
Speaker 2: He's like, we're gonna go see him.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, okay.
Speaker 6: So I got dressed and we went out to the club,
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm very nervous about making people feel
Speaker 6: uncomfortable in certain spots that I'm at, So I'm like,
Speaker 6: I just kind of sat at the bar and kind
Speaker 6: of minded my own business. You know.
Speaker 2: It was a gay bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to step on any right, So.
Speaker 6: I kept giving him money to go tip him every
Speaker 6: time he like did a performance or something like that.
Speaker 6: And me and my friend all night, we're trying to
Speaker 6: decide if he was gay or straight, because you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't know, and I couldn't tell either. You know,
Speaker 6: there was no like signs, you know, because there's a
Speaker 6: straight man that worked at the gay club, so I
Speaker 6: didn't know. Finally I asked him. I was like, so,
Speaker 6: you know, are you gay or straight? And his response was.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm like, yeah, correct.
Speaker 2: It's like that didn't help me at all.
Speaker 6: So then I was like, okay, so you know, thinking like, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe he's you know both. By the end of the
Speaker 6: night he came over when he put his arm around
Speaker 6: my gay friend that I was with, and then he put.
Speaker 2: His arm around me and grabbed my ass and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, this is gonna go somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yes he said yes.
Speaker 6: A week later we were fucking, two months later we
Speaker 6: were dating, and three months after that we were living together.
Speaker 2: So very fast, very fast.
Speaker 7: She's also the first girl I ever told I'm experimenting
Speaker 7: sexually yeah, and didn't get a negative response.
Speaker 6: It didn't really matter to me, you know, I was
Speaker 6: I go to gay bars, obviously I'm attracted to I
Speaker 6: watched gay porn to jerk off.
Speaker 7: I haven't met a lot of girls that are like
Speaker 7: I always say, it feels like they're tolerating your bisexuality
Speaker 7: or porn if you know, could I do gay porn
Speaker 7: and straight porn? Transport everything. I feel like there's a
Speaker 7: stark difference between tolerating it and being about it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, like she is like like she's jerking off
Speaker 7: to my porn with other right, Yeah, And if you
Speaker 7: could choose between those two, like if my girl tolerating
Speaker 7: it and my girl jerking off.
Speaker 5: To me dudes.
Speaker 7: And we talk like it's fun, I could be like,
Speaker 7: yo that guys, She's like yeah, like like we'll go fuck.
Speaker 7: It's fun that we can talk about that. It's just
Speaker 7: not a typical dynamic of a heteronormative relationship, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but nothing too Like he made me feel comfortable
Speaker 6: about because I was very slashamed, and I was very
Speaker 6: you know in a place where I have never explored
Speaker 6: my sexuality, and like, finally I was able to talk
Speaker 6: that hey, like I've always wanted to experience a trans
Speaker 6: woman or like try something other than what I've been
Speaker 6: doing all my life, and like he didn't judge me
Speaker 6: for it, so it made me feel more comfortable that, hey,
Speaker 6: I can finally feel free, and I do. I never
Speaker 6: felt more free and just accepted in any situation ever
Speaker 6: in my life than you know, being with him.
Speaker 2: So it's really great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing how like authenticity breeds authenticity, Right, It's
Speaker 4: like you show up as how you want to be
Speaker 4: treated and then like you get that in spades.
Speaker 1: I'm curious with both of you because both of you
Speaker 1: are somewhere on the spectrum of like sexual fluidity bisexuality.
Speaker 1: You said you've faced a lot of discrimination when you've
Speaker 1: told past partners that you are sexually fluid or explored
Speaker 1: by sexuality. What do you think makes them react that way?
Speaker 1: Like what is it in their life that they've been
Speaker 1: told or taught that makes them turned off at the
Speaker 1: idea of a partner who is more sexually fluid.
Speaker 3: Than they are.
Speaker 7: When I finally like I'm going to be very open
Speaker 7: in public about me exploring my sexuality, I was thinking
Speaker 7: thing about like my college teammates when I played basketball
Speaker 7: and how homophobic we are in the locker room, and
Speaker 7: like I participated in that, Like I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 7: Like I said, the no homo thing a lot. You know,
Speaker 7: we pointed out gay things to each other, Like what
Speaker 7: you're doing there is gay and it's bad. We talked
Speaker 7: more about gayshit than gay men. Yeah, for sure, like
Speaker 7: looking back at them, like we were so gay.
Speaker 1: In your underwear, Yeah, talking about each other's decks a lot.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 7: That's what was going through my head initially as the
Speaker 7: people that would probably discriminate me the most, right, it
Speaker 7: was other straight conservative men. What I'd never thought about
Speaker 7: was what women would react. I actually thought they would
Speaker 7: be very accepting because generally women are allies of the
Speaker 7: LGBTQ community. They always are the ones at the marches everything.
Speaker 7: What I found out was they're cool with you being gay,
Speaker 7: they don't want their husband to be. It's like not
Speaker 7: in the house, you know what I mean, not at home.
Speaker 7: HIV is brought up way more than I ever expected.
Speaker 7: Like they always say they're scared of catching HIV from me,
Speaker 7: and like I'm not even gonna get into that conversation,
Speaker 7: right of how ignorant that is. Or they say things
Speaker 7: like I don't want your shitty dick in me, and
Speaker 7: I'm like you do anal two right, yeah, And like
Speaker 7: I know gay men douch better than you.
Speaker 1: Fiber Supplement's bulls got.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
Speaker 7: And I just think women haven't been challenged on that
Speaker 7: way of thinking yet and maybe it'll come and maybe
Speaker 7: like this, you know what we're doing right now is
Speaker 7: that process. It's one of the conversations I think that
Speaker 7: still needs to happen. Even if you're just like a
Speaker 7: mostly straight guy or a fully like fifty to fifty
Speaker 7: by guy, there's a lot of like because you haven't
Speaker 7: really picked a side.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, everything's got to be black and white. Everything's
Speaker 1: got to be like one hundred, you know.
Speaker 7: And I don't want to do a label. I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna be crushed and I'm gonna do what I want
Speaker 7: when I want.
Speaker 6: You know. It's been different now talking about it with
Speaker 6: my friends and being more able to be open about
Speaker 6: it and not caring more what they think, because back
Speaker 6: when I was slutshame for liking what I liked, I
Speaker 6: just kept it inside and never talked about it.
Speaker 2: It's very different now.
Speaker 6: Like, say I'm talking to a guy and they're like, wow,
Speaker 6: you do porn with trans women and like you like
Speaker 6: gay guys experience with you. I was like, yeah, like
Speaker 6: I love letting someone like try my pussy for the
Speaker 6: first time, and like that is so great to me,
Speaker 6: and the first time what wasn't the first time that
Speaker 6: it happened. We had a clubhouse in Austin and I
Speaker 6: was filming a porn for, you know, a few of
Speaker 6: my friends, and the way this guy was fucking I
Speaker 6: was like, damn, he looks like he fuck's really good.
Speaker 6: I was like, I wish I want to try him.
Speaker 6: And he was gay guy, so I didn't ever think,
Speaker 6: you know, that would happen. And we walk out of
Speaker 6: our little cabinary. He's standing right by the fence line
Speaker 6: and Crushed goes, hey, do you want to fuck her?
Speaker 6: And he goes he goes yeah, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: let's do it. So he like bent me over the
Speaker 6: picking table and then star fucking me. Crush pulls out
Speaker 6: the camera and all of our other gay friends started
Speaker 6: lining up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I guess this is turning into
Speaker 2: a gay gang bang. And it's been one of my
Speaker 2: best sellers ever since.
Speaker 7: It's all hot guys, and then like it looks like
Speaker 7: a straight gang bang. Yeah, but then the hot guys
Speaker 7: are jerking each other off in the background and making
Speaker 7: out and they're like eating pussy together, which like there's
Speaker 7: something when the because they're gay and more comfortable, Like
Speaker 7: when they eat the pussy together, it's better.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're trying to.
Speaker 7: Like, you know, because there's no fear of being gay,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: When I talk to guys like at the strip club
Speaker 6: who are in hiding basically and they want to experience,
Speaker 6: and like when they feel me talking about my fluidity
Speaker 6: and like how I feel, all of a sudden, they
Speaker 6: feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: Like I've always wanted to be pegged. I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to do this. I was like, let's do it, sign
Speaker 2: me up.
Speaker 6: And there are a few guys that are also like, oh,
Speaker 6: I could never have another guys dick near me. I
Speaker 6: was like, well, for the first time I went air tight,
Speaker 6: you know, with two trans women and my boyfriend, and
Speaker 6: like it was one of the best feelings I've ever had. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I never ever thought that I would have all three
Speaker 6: holes filled at the same time.
Speaker 7: The culture around sex and the LGBTQ community is what
Speaker 7: I really like. And I love that opposite of sluedt
Speaker 7: shaming attitude, that sex positivity and like it's just not
Speaker 7: that big a deal.
Speaker 6: People are just friendly in the community and like they understand,
Speaker 6: like everybody wants to try something and like it's okay
Speaker 6: to try something new and you don't have to be like, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stand over here in the corner and feel
Speaker 6: bad about what I like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing that really grinds my gears
Speaker 1: about like these complaints about like women or people who
Speaker 1: aren't gay men in like dark rooms or queer spaces,
Speaker 1: because you don't know why someone's there, right, Like if
Speaker 1: you see a woman or from presenting person, maybe they're
Speaker 1: there with their partner, Maybe they're interested in fucking and
Speaker 1: doing it in a respectful way. Maybe they're thinking of
Speaker 1: transitioning and trying to like come into queer spaces if
Speaker 1: you don't read them as a man yet, Like, there's
Speaker 1: so many reasons someone could be in that space and
Speaker 1: for me to see other folks immediately jump to being
Speaker 1: like no and cutting them off, it's like this is
Speaker 1: a space one of the few spaces where you can
Speaker 1: explore your sexuality without judgment, and that should be open
Speaker 1: to everybody that wants to explore their sexuality because where
Speaker 1: are you or you going to go at a straight
Speaker 1: bar to do what you do. It's like you can't
Speaker 1: really find that anywhere besides like these dark rooms and
Speaker 1: sex parties and you know, working in the industry, how long.
Speaker 3: Was it before you started going to bars and like
Speaker 3: hunting together ethically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty quickly moved to a club.
Speaker 7: She opened up to me about the trans yeah, and
Speaker 7: I was like, well, yeah, I've done lots of that,
Speaker 7: and I was like, I know grave trans bars that
Speaker 7: we can go to and a beautiful trans woman she
Speaker 7: really was, And.
Speaker 6: We took her in the back and did some dances
Speaker 6: and like it turned into only fans club work.
Speaker 1: It's funny you just show up and suddenly the only
Speaker 1: fans collapse. It's an amazing skill.
Speaker 7: We do feel like we're documenting our sexual experiences a
Speaker 7: little bit.
Speaker 3: This archive. You have his history. My first time ever.
Speaker 7: Sucking dig is on camera and it's authentic. It wasn't
Speaker 7: planned the way people lie.
Speaker 1: About saying they're sucking their first stick on camera all
Speaker 1: the time. And you actually.
Speaker 7: It was with Braxton Cruise and he's fucking handsome Australian
Speaker 7: man with the most beautiful dick ever. And up until
Speaker 7: that point, I pretty much always thought like, sucking dick
Speaker 7: isn't really something I think I want to do. Rights
Speaker 7: just how I felt and I was eating his ass.
Speaker 1: And I started.
Speaker 4: I started, I ever thought that I would suck dick,
Speaker 4: but eating ass absolutely.
Speaker 3: Different. I learned.
Speaker 7: I learned long ago that I like asked, it doesn't
Speaker 7: matter what. But anyway, I was eating his ass and
Speaker 7: his dick was just there, and I was like, it's
Speaker 7: a nice dick. I'm gonna put my mouth on it.
Speaker 7: And I was like, no, you don't do that. And
Speaker 7: then I was just like, why why did I just
Speaker 7: do that? I want to do it. And I looked
Speaker 7: at her and I'm like, I think I want to
Speaker 7: suck his dig.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 7: This was like early in my porn career and like
Speaker 7: only fans career, and so like people kind of already
Speaker 7: thought I didn't do that because they thought I was
Speaker 7: one of those tops that just don't do it. And
Speaker 7: so he was kind of like surprised. He's like, oh really,
Speaker 7: and I was like, yeah, you got a nice dick.
Speaker 2: I was like, and I sucked it a little bit too.
Speaker 2: After that, I was like.
Speaker 7: It was adorable to be fair, because I was literally
Speaker 7: like I don't know if I'm going to be good
Speaker 7: at this, Like is that good?
Speaker 3: Like this is so hot?
Speaker 7: And what I realized after that because I thought I
Speaker 7: didn't want to suck dick because I just didn't think
Speaker 7: it was something I was into. And afterward I was like, Oh,
Speaker 7: the fucking reason was I was still thinking about what
Speaker 7: other people would think if they knew I sucked dick,
Speaker 7: and I didn't realize it because I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: now everyone will know I sucked a dick. Despite how
Speaker 7: far I've come, was still thinking that it's like a
Speaker 7: degrading thing to do for me, you know, because the
Speaker 7: way we talked about sucking dick as straight man in
Speaker 7: the locker room was purely from a degrading sense, and
Speaker 7: that I hadn't let that go yet.
Speaker 3: Fully.
Speaker 7: Now it's like I do it all the time. When
Speaker 7: I want to like it, I still don't want to.
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's not like a thing like yeah, I'm weird
Speaker 7: about some things, like I hate my own come. It's
Speaker 7: is such a weird alone in that, like I'm just
Speaker 7: not come guy. Yeah I love making people come. Yeah
Speaker 7: I don't, And like I'd rather have you come on
Speaker 7: my chest than me come on my chest.
Speaker 1: Okay, how much time do we have? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: y'all are a fucking who. We have to take a break.
Speaker 1: This is so much fun.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: When we come back, Frankie's gonna share some tips for
Speaker 1: girls who want to be in gay spaces, and Crush
Speaker 1: will offer some advice for gay dudes who want to
Speaker 1: co exist more peacefully with the.
Speaker 3: Women in their lives.
Speaker 1: I think we can achieve that.
Speaker 3: I think we can.
Speaker 1: I think we can after this conversation, all right, more
Speaker 1: Sniffy's cruising confessions after the break, don't go anywhere. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: We've been talking with bisexual content creator couple Crush and Frankie,
Speaker 1: And if you're like us, you are fully obsessed with
Speaker 1: them by now.
Speaker 4: I would hope, but I'm sure there are some of
Speaker 4: you that are still big mad that we are even
Speaker 4: talking about women in case spaces, and we're here to
Speaker 4: make honestly.
Speaker 1: In this act, we're going to hear some tips and
Speaker 1: tricks from both Frankie Crush on how gay guys and
Speaker 1: some women can co exist in gay bars and yes,
Speaker 1: even dark rooms or picnic table fuck sessions.
Speaker 4: So, frank what would you recommend for a woman who
Speaker 4: is interested in going out to a gay bar?
Speaker 6: So in retrospect, like a woman really just needs to
Speaker 6: know her place in this community, because like I can
Speaker 6: go into a gay bar and act like I'm the
Speaker 6: center of attention and people can hate me. Or I
Speaker 6: can go into a gay bar and be friends with
Speaker 6: the gay bees and like show them how much fun
Speaker 6: I want to have with them, instead of making them
Speaker 6: feel like they're literally just there as furniture.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of women do that. So
Speaker 2: just know your place.
Speaker 7: You know, in a bar.
Speaker 6: You're not going to a gay bar to get guys
Speaker 6: to buy you drinks. Like all the gay guys are
Speaker 6: buying their own drinks. They're not worried about you. Maybe
Speaker 6: even offer to buy the gays a drink instead of
Speaker 6: making them feel like I'm here, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: because I've been guilty of that. You know, feel like
Speaker 6: I should be the center of attention because I'm cute
Speaker 6: and I'm pretty, and I'm as pretty as the gays.
Speaker 6: You know, like meyern, I center of attention. But you
Speaker 6: can't do that in the gay spaces. You really can't
Speaker 6: because nobody cares and people are going to be like,
Speaker 6: get her out of here. You know, we're tired of
Speaker 6: seeing her here. She's too loud, she's obnoxious, you.
Speaker 7: Know, it doesn't matter who does that. Though you're not
Speaker 7: gonna like it's.
Speaker 6: This is true, Like you can't be my friend. You're
Speaker 6: acting like this in this gay bar right now, like
Speaker 6: any space. Yeah, it's true, It's very true.
Speaker 1: Earlier while we were talking, we did touch a little
Speaker 1: bit on how fear of HIV makes some partners fearful
Speaker 1: of having a partner in their life who is by
Speaker 1: or hooks up with men. But I'm curious how you
Speaker 1: guys approach safety and how do you like communicate that
Speaker 1: to other partners that y'all are hooking up with.
Speaker 7: I don't think straight people know how much has changed
Speaker 7: even in the last ten years when it comes to that.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know until a few years ago. And like,
Speaker 7: you know, we're both on prep. We're big advocates for it.
Speaker 7: We talk about it, we educate, and when we work
Speaker 7: with stray creators, it's like we won't shut the fuck
Speaker 7: up about it. I'm just like, why why are you
Speaker 7: not on it? Testing only does so.
Speaker 3: Much, you know.
Speaker 6: Like, but even in the beginning of our relationship, like
Speaker 6: he was so scared of STDs and like I didn't
Speaker 6: go to school the way he went to school.
Speaker 2: I quit school eighth grade, so, like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was taught in the early American school. When
Speaker 7: I came to America, one of the first sex education
Speaker 7: classes was very much one of those like sex is bad,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, don't have sex.
Speaker 7: STDs will murder you, like all of them are going
Speaker 7: to kill you.
Speaker 3: I grew up in Florida, I know what that's like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is California. That was what I thought STDs were.
Speaker 7: I had to learn that I was very wrong about that.
Speaker 1: So freaky. Did you actually start the topic of like
Speaker 1: prep and getting tested? Was that something you were more?
Speaker 2: I think actually our gay friends did that.
Speaker 6: But I think I tried to help him see, like listen,
Speaker 6: there's not many STDs nowadays that you can't get rid
Speaker 6: of if you do catch something, like I was just
Speaker 6: letting him know, like it's okay, Like it's not that
Speaker 6: big a deal.
Speaker 2: It's really not that big of a deal.
Speaker 7: Like right now, nowadays, I've been with I've been with
Speaker 7: tons of people that are undetectable. Yes, I don't even
Speaker 7: care because I'm like, we're both on prep cares and
Speaker 7: like a lot of people would just be too scared
Speaker 7: to even do that because they don't. They still are
Speaker 7: living in that thing that we were taught. And so
Speaker 7: we're both on prep. We both take doxy. You know,
Speaker 7: we get tested regularly, which I think in the straight
Speaker 7: culture that is still a prevention tactic because like if
Speaker 7: I work with straight creators there, they care so much
Speaker 7: about the test and making sure it's within fourteen days.
Speaker 7: I'm like, really, it's only valid if I got that
Speaker 7: test today, and you know, you don't know what I've
Speaker 7: done in the last fourteen days. I don't know what
Speaker 7: you've done. Also, you're a girl and you have the
Speaker 7: worst STD than known the man, which is pregnancy, and.
Speaker 1: You can't manage that.
Speaker 7: So I can rather than show me your test because
Speaker 7: I'm taking preping doxy, so I don't care what your
Speaker 7: test says. Please show me you're on birth control. That's
Speaker 7: what I need. Please show me that documentation right now.
Speaker 1: We can't make Daddy Crush a literal father.
Speaker 7: Because we can't do that because that's forever. That's a
Speaker 7: really good point.
Speaker 2: Then again, you know, gays can't get pregnant. Trying a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 7: Guys, none of them pregnant when we talked about it.
Speaker 7: It's interesting straight people are having a bit of a
Speaker 7: rise in HIV.
Speaker 3: Not a bait.
Speaker 7: Actually, it's a lot. Like it's really starting to pick
Speaker 7: up with them, and that's scary because that if that
Speaker 7: becomes an epidemic with them would be far worse.
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think that is another reason that
Speaker 6: in the straight community, more people are scared to talk
Speaker 6: about it, and more people.
Speaker 7: It's still such a gross thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, more people keep it hidden and don't tell anybody
Speaker 6: that they caught something because they're embarrassed, and like the
Speaker 6: gay world be like, oh, I had a chlamydia last week.
Speaker 2: I got rid of that shit.
Speaker 6: You know. It's like not that I had a big
Speaker 6: of a deal.
Speaker 7: I had a girl for that I woke up with
Speaker 7: call me like a dirty faggot because I just told
Speaker 7: her to get on prep like, because I was just saying, like,
Speaker 7: I take this to you can take it as a preventative,
Speaker 7: but you can also take it if you have it
Speaker 7: to make you undetectable. Right, That's literally all I was saying. Yeah,
Speaker 7: she took it as I have HIV and I'm a
Speaker 7: dirty faggot basically like.
Speaker 1: Florida though, right, Yeah, this wasn't Florida. Yeah, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 7: In New York.
Speaker 1: I know, we have a lot of gay they're called
Speaker 1: gay bars, but they're really mixed queer spaces, but there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of spaces for queer women. So I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: when you guys go out in Texas or when you're
Speaker 1: traveling for work, do you see a lot of that
Speaker 1: mixture in gay spaces. Do you see a lot of
Speaker 1: like queer men and women, or do you find that
Speaker 1: it's a little more self segregated in other cities.
Speaker 6: When I would go out in Dallas, I think it
Speaker 6: was very, very mixed because a lot of my queer
Speaker 6: women friends want to twined with everybody. They don't want
Speaker 6: to be stuck at a bar with all people just
Speaker 6: like them, you know, and they're super friendly and they
Speaker 6: just want to talk with everybody and be friends with everybody.
Speaker 2: And that is some of the things that they have.
Speaker 6: Told me why they don't like going and staying at
Speaker 6: the lesbian bars that is just for them. So I
Speaker 6: think it's very mixed in the gay culture in Dallas.
Speaker 6: And that was where I kind of started exploring myself
Speaker 6: because I finally become single and like just going out
Speaker 6: with my gay friends and enjoying the night, not feeling
Speaker 6: judged or feeling like I shouldn't be there for me.
Speaker 7: It's like I don't want to be around a bunch
Speaker 7: of people exactly like me. You know, I love when
Speaker 7: people are into different shit because I want to like
Speaker 7: be like, I want to ask questions. I would be like, wait,
Speaker 7: you do what it did? What?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 7: That sounds fascinating? Like, you know, I love variety, so like,
Speaker 7: the more like diverse we can make it the better.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, there's so many layers to it, right,
Speaker 1: It's like you've got queer women, You've got street cis women,
Speaker 1: you've got trans women, all entering spaces that are dominated
Speaker 1: by gay men, and a lot of these cities, and
Speaker 1: I think gay men feel this ownership over that space
Speaker 1: without realizing that. It's like, it's not just for us, right,
Speaker 1: we should be welcoming a broader array of queer people
Speaker 1: or queer allies into these spaces, and as long as
Speaker 1: everybody's being respectful, there shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Be an issue.
Speaker 7: I felt very accepted. In fact, you know, I got
Speaker 7: sober and gay aa no way on actual city in
Speaker 7: Los Angeles, and I saw a bunch of people outside
Speaker 7: of a brick building, drinking coffee out of a styrofolm
Speaker 7: cop smoking cigarettes. And I was like, that looks like
Speaker 7: one of those AA meetings. And like I was freshly sober,
Speaker 7: like broke homeless, like I'm like I should I'm just
Speaker 7: gonna go hang out there for a bit. And I
Speaker 7: went in and I was like, there's a lot of
Speaker 7: gay trans people out here. It was just la like
Speaker 7: maybe they just look gay because and at the end
Speaker 7: of the meeting, you know, the secretary was like, everybody,
Speaker 7: thank you for coming to Friday night LGBTQ meeting. And
Speaker 7: I was like, Ohm, not supposed to be here. And
Speaker 7: I literally I didn't make a run for the door,
Speaker 7: but like this girl, Shelley push old lesbian woman just
Speaker 7: grabs me, throws me back in the room. It was
Speaker 7: like one hundred and forty five pounds the time. It
Speaker 7: was easy like this a tweaker just like just got sober,
Speaker 7: throws me back in the room. Is like UNI gets sober,
Speaker 7: like I don't give a shit that you're straight, Like
Speaker 7: we don't care. This isn't just for gay people, like
Speaker 7: it just is a space that we created that was safe,
Speaker 7: but you're welcome here too. I went to that meeting
Speaker 7: for the rest of my sobriety while I was YEA,
Speaker 7: and I felt so a part of it. Even this
Speaker 7: was before I ever identified as anything but straight. I
Speaker 7: felt so a part of it and so like part
Speaker 7: of that community. And I learned more about being a
Speaker 7: grown man and a good man from those people in
Speaker 7: the LGBTQ space in sobriety than I ever did from
Speaker 7: any straight person in my entire life. And like, I'm
Speaker 7: getting emotional talking about it because I owe my life
Speaker 7: to the LGBTQ community for that. So to this day,
Speaker 7: I feel like I never had a problem being accepted
Speaker 7: even when I identified a straight and then there was
Speaker 7: like the gay for pay phase, and then there was
Speaker 7: a I like some of this phase, and not at
Speaker 7: any point through any of those phases that I ever
Speaker 7: not feel accepted. I think it's a small percentage of
Speaker 7: gay people that are not accepting of women or me
Speaker 7: being with a woman. But when they do it, my
Speaker 7: first thought is, you're doing the same thing that everyone
Speaker 7: did in the sixties eighties. To us, it's just roles reverse.
Speaker 7: Now it's your saying you're not gay enough, or like
Speaker 7: what we're doing is homophobic, and like that makes no
Speaker 7: sense to me.
Speaker 2: The conversion therapy is the thing.
Speaker 1: That people accuse you of engaging in conversion therapy for
Speaker 1: just showing up.
Speaker 7: So they think because she's sleeping with gay men that
Speaker 7: she's trying to convert them to being straight. And that's
Speaker 7: our agenda because I guess you know, there's some praian,
Speaker 7: some politician injected us into your community and it's texting
Speaker 7: us like, hey, go to this are and try to
Speaker 7: convert the gaye by making them sleep with her. And
Speaker 7: I'm just like, really, that's what you think people. First
Speaker 7: of all, my.
Speaker 1: Parents tried that on me for years and I'm still
Speaker 1: pretty fucking gay. So I don't know if that strategy
Speaker 1: is working.
Speaker 2: You need to come hang out with me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off.
Speaker 7: This by for pay and then, yeah, I don't feel
Speaker 7: like an ally. I feel like I'm part of that flag.
Speaker 7: Yeah I have the flag, like I identify with it.
Speaker 7: I fight for it, not as like another group fighting
Speaker 7: for another group, Like I am part of the group.
Speaker 7: I feel that way. If you want to tell me
Speaker 7: i'm not, that's your issue.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we are unfortunately nearing the end of
Speaker 1: the episode, but Russian Franky, before we let you go,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's anything that we haven't talked about
Speaker 1: yet that you'll want it to share, or anything you
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on before we wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Or like any cruising confession.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you have any cruising confessions?
Speaker 3: Well no, I just like you know, here for the story.
Speaker 7: This is one of my first experiments. Okay, that when
Speaker 7: I was like, like, I'm gonna try some stuff that's
Speaker 7: not straight. This was a few years ago. So actually
Speaker 7: the first time I ever experimented was with trans girls.
Speaker 7: One of the first transgirls I hooked up with was
Speaker 7: in Fort Lauderal. She saw me in the club and
Speaker 7: then I was outside and she was with a group
Speaker 7: of gay guys and she walked up to me and
Speaker 7: she's this tall, beautiful Columbian trans girl. And she walked
Speaker 7: up to me and just puts her hand down my
Speaker 7: pants and grabs my balls work and she just goes,
Speaker 7: I want to suck your dick. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 7: let's let's go. And she's like, where are you staying.
Speaker 7: I'm like an airbnbating down the street. She goes, okay,
Speaker 7: and so me, her and her friends all start walking
Speaker 7: and we get like fifteen steps into the walk and
Speaker 7: she's got heels on, you know everything. She's like, I
Speaker 7: don't want to walk all the way. And she just
Speaker 7: pulled my pants down right there on that street, pulled
Speaker 7: my pants down. Lots of people starts blowing me. I
Speaker 7: stole my cockering on from dancing everything.
Speaker 3: It's so hot.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm like having a sensory overload. It's
Speaker 7: kind of new. It's just a public public's another one
Speaker 7: of my kinks. And like her gay friends are like
Speaker 7: cheering her on and like also helping kind of hide
Speaker 7: her at the same time. And I come in her
Speaker 7: mouth and she like.
Speaker 8: Drools it out of her mouth under her tits, and
Speaker 8: I'm like having a bit of a cumcoma, you know
Speaker 8: that when it's just like and then her gay friends
Speaker 8: come over and started liking the cum off her tits,
Speaker 8: and I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, this.
Speaker 1: Is why we need women in dark rooms, handsucking dick
Speaker 1: on the streets. I like all of this, but I.
Speaker 7: I just knew I liked all of it. I couldn't
Speaker 7: figure out what about it I liked. I just liked
Speaker 7: all of it. From there, I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm definitely not just going to live the straight life
Speaker 7: no more.
Speaker 3: A good time.
Speaker 6: I think my one of my favorite times is though,
Speaker 6: was with my first collab on camera, having two guys.
Speaker 6: It's always been a fantasy, but I've never told anybody.
Speaker 6: I've never let anybody know that I wanted somebody to
Speaker 6: fuck a man into me. And he made that happen when.
Speaker 1: Derek Cage and You've made a Derek Cage sandwich.
Speaker 6: But how it happened was even better because Derek Cage
Speaker 6: is just such an amazing human. And I reached out
Speaker 6: to Derek Cage and I had, you know, twelve hundred
Speaker 6: followers at the time on Twitter, Like I thought, this
Speaker 6: guy who just won every award that yere.
Speaker 2: Is someone that I work with.
Speaker 6: So I just shoot my shot and it's like, hey,
Speaker 6: do you work with nobody's And he was like, you're
Speaker 6: not a nobody and I was like okay. So we
Speaker 6: set it up and he came over and we ended
Speaker 6: up shooting three things like him and Crush Me Crush
Speaker 6: and Derek and then just me and Derek.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: It was really a great experience to have Derek and
Speaker 6: me and crush fucking him into me, and then Derek
Speaker 6: coming on my chest and me shoving his face and
Speaker 6: to fucking eat it, and like it was such a
Speaker 6: great experience that I had never felt okay to do
Speaker 6: or experience or even think that that was ever going
Speaker 6: to be something that I would ever try until this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, this has been really, really incredible. I'm
Speaker 1: really glad we had you all to talk about some
Speaker 1: of themes we want to talk about this episode, But
Speaker 1: I think one of the most fun things has been
Speaker 1: seeing how you both kind of enabled each other to
Speaker 1: become more authentic people, to feel more confident in your sexuality,
Speaker 1: to support each other doing that. I think it's like
Speaker 1: very very rare, and I think you guys serve as
Speaker 1: a really great example that not every couple that looks
Speaker 1: totally straight on the outside is. You are both part
Speaker 1: of the queer community, and so I'm really glad that
Speaker 1: we got to talk to you about your experiences, and
Speaker 1: thanks for coming out to join us.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having us really appreciate it's a lot
Speaker 7: of fun.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, it is time to hear
Speaker 1: another steamy sex story from our call in cruising Confessions
Speaker 1: hotline don't go anywhere.
Speaker 6: I want something?
Speaker 1: Sex cells?
Speaker 2: Something is.
Speaker 1: Do you have the way?
Speaker 5: Do you not? The way I go? The mathng you
Speaker 5: not the way I go?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: That was sex Cells by Jingo Stewart. Now, before we
Speaker 4: close today's episode, let's listen to a listener submitted cruising
Speaker 4: compression from a horny Colin hotline.
Speaker 7: Oh I can't wait? Okay, ye.
Speaker 6: Was hot?
Speaker 5: Okay. So this is a few summers ago. I am
Speaker 5: in a place called cup Dog, which is a French
Speaker 5: nudist swingers village on the beach in the south of France.
Speaker 5: And so basically, like the way it works is that
Speaker 5: the straight section, you're walking around and you're watching all
Speaker 5: of these like hot European dudes and their wives and
Speaker 5: they're like fingering each other. Oh, when the lifeguards go
Speaker 5: home at five o'clock, like everyone on all sides of
Speaker 5: the beach except the family side start fucking and it
Speaker 5: becomes really hot because you're walking around and you're just
Speaker 5: like watching like straight gang bangs or like women sucking
Speaker 5: off a row of guys, and you're really close to
Speaker 5: like all these straight dudes and they're giant dongs. So
Speaker 5: but there's also dunes. So on the final day that
Speaker 5: I was at this place, this paradise of nude swinging sex,
Speaker 5: I was in the dunes and I saw this woman
Speaker 5: who was on her knees and next to her was
Speaker 5: a guy who I assumed was her husband, and he
Speaker 5: was videotaping her.
Speaker 3: She was naked.
Speaker 5: On her chest was written poot pute, which is like
Speaker 5: horror in France, and guys were starting to approach her
Speaker 5: and get sucked off by her. And so before a
Speaker 5: few minutes there was like a row of fifteen twenty
Speaker 5: guys who were just all waiting, and she was going
Speaker 5: down the row and she was sucking them off or
Speaker 5: jerking them off off and basically waiting for them to
Speaker 5: come on her tips. Wow, and her husband was filming her,
Speaker 5: and all of the guys were just one by one,
Speaker 5: just like blowing right sperm sperm sperm, and I was
Speaker 5: just like watching downsort of at the end of the line.
Speaker 5: And so eventually she started to get to my spot,
Speaker 5: and I had been watching one by one as these
Speaker 5: cocks were just coming straight, dudes just coming coming, And
Speaker 5: so eventually when she got to me, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: fuck it, I'm in I guess I'm doing this, and
Speaker 5: I just used the how horny I was from watching
Speaker 5: all these dudes come to shoot my load onto her chum.
Speaker 5: And that remains the one and only time that I've
Speaker 5: ever had sexual contact of any sort with a woman.
Speaker 5: And I felt really really good about it, and I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: That was amazing. You should be proud, honestly, because that
Speaker 4: was fantastic.
Speaker 1: That is an amazing story.
Speaker 2: This is wild.
Speaker 1: It's like you're watching straight porn in real life and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, this will do, this will do for sure.
Speaker 4: But also just like the pent up energy of like
Speaker 4: watching all these guys come on this girl's chest, like
Speaker 4: I would have been able to bust really quickly.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, yeah, I probably would have come before she got to.
Speaker 3: Honestly, the fact that he was able to hold out
Speaker 3: for that long, like.
Speaker 1: What's also crazy because like, to me, that scenario sounds
Speaker 1: so gay. I feel like I've watched like twenty gay
Speaker 1: horns where it's like someone's got slut or like come
Speaker 1: in me written somewhere, and like, I guess I've sort
Speaker 1: of subconsciously assumed that that was like a gay genre
Speaker 1: inherently queer, but like, here's this woman with a little
Speaker 1: slogan written short beyond her moves. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if the caller wasn't the only queer
Speaker 1: person there, you know what I mean. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: were by dudes. I'm sure there were curious people.
Speaker 4: I also love that her husband or a partner or
Speaker 4: whoever was filming the entire thing didn't participate, just filmed
Speaker 4: the entire thing because you know they're gonna go home
Speaker 4: and watch that later and totally talk to it. Congratulations
Speaker 4: to that couple.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to that couple, Congratulations to this caller. Always stay
Speaker 1: open and ready. You never know whose tits you might.
Speaker 3: Always stay open and ready.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to hear your own cruising confessions
Speaker 4: on an upcoming episode of this podcast, you can call
Speaker 4: our cruising Confession hotline at three zero two two one
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Speaker 1: All right, So we're at the end of this episode
Speaker 1: and I I had so much fun with crushing Franky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get first appearances.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh gosh, what are we getting, you know,
Speaker 4: because I don't know these people I have never seen
Speaker 4: them before. Wasn't sure what we were going to get,
Speaker 4: but we got everything that we needed, and I think
Speaker 4: so much more. And I'm really grateful that our listeners
Speaker 4: are going to be able to hear this respective And.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's also really important that we
Speaker 1: got a queer woman who's in a partnership with a
Speaker 1: queer man, because I think a lot of us make
Speaker 1: snap judgments based on what we see, what people present
Speaker 1: as externally, and the context clues that we use. So
Speaker 1: I appreciate the patience with which they approached this topic
Speaker 1: and talked about it with Nuance. I also appreciated the
Speaker 1: really hot slutty stories.
Speaker 4: I do want to go cruising with them. Meant to
Speaker 4: tell them this, but I do want to go cruising
Speaker 4: with them, So like, the next time y'all are back
Speaker 4: in the city, let's go cruising.
Speaker 1: So again, we should thank our guests today, Crush and
Speaker 1: Frankie and you can follow both Crush and Frankie at
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