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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. And while we have a huge,

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Speaker 2: stacked knight of headlines, tonight's kind of a different one

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: Brian Colberger, the accused and admitted killer I should rephrase

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Speaker 2: in the Idaho student murders, was in court today and

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Speaker 2: was sentenced once and for all and was forced to

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Speaker 2: speaking for myself, it was one of the saddest things

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Speaker 2: more later in the show. Jarrett Farantino, who is that

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Speaker 2: extraordinary trial attorney who also appeared in the documentary on

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Speaker 2: Peacock about the same case, is also going to be

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Speaker 2: joining us to break down some of the legal ease

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Speaker 2: in this case, because even the President would agree something

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Speaker 2: just feels off about it. So here we are. I'm

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Leidecker. I head up KAT Studios, where I get

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Speaker 2: to make true crime podcasts. And documentaries and I get

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Speaker 2: to be here every night with Courtney Armstrong and body

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Speaker 2: Move In and here we go. Here's a clip from

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Speaker 2: today's hearing from Kallie Gonzalvez's sister. Kally Gonzalvez is one

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Speaker 2: of the victims, and her sister Olivia couldn't have said

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Speaker 2: if I didn't know any better, I would say she

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Speaker 2: hired an expert to talk to him. The way that

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Speaker 4: She was a powerhouse. I was so touched by everybody

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Speaker 4: you know that that spoke today. And when Olivia got

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Speaker 4: And I want to say, and I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 2: All day was to her words.

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Speaker 4: And it was just kind of like a squirmy right,

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Speaker 4: like a she had a number, she has it number, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and it was she did not power and she.

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Speaker 2: Was And by the way, all of the victims statements

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Speaker 2: were all of them were great, incredibly all of them,

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Speaker 2: and we'll play some throughout the show. Rest assured, but

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Speaker 2: that one, honestly, you know, to Olivia who had the

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Speaker 2: hearing it again, and you know, we've watched it live,

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about it all day, it makes my buckle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I watched this alone, and now that

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Speaker 2: I'm a little emotional. Same. We're all kind of and

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Speaker 2: you know, exact same time.

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Speaker 4: We didn't even know these girls and Ethan, right, we

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Speaker 4: And we all feel just tremendously sad and kind of

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Speaker 2: This was Brian Coberger's legal funeral.

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Speaker 5: Correct well, and even several of the family members who

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Speaker 5: But Olivia just I couldn't agree more with you, guys.

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Speaker 5: Her poise was unbelievable, her telling the murderer sit up

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Speaker 4: Yes, sit up straight when I saw you, sit up

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Speaker 2: I did it. And he hasn't given an explanation, nor

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Speaker 2: that begin as soon as possible. So sorry, court, back

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Speaker 2: to you will to your point really quick.

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Speaker 4: He's been transferred to the prison already, it's already happened.

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Speaker 4: The website's been updated, The Idaho Department of Corrections has

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is MDT M on his way.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we take a little bit of Steve Gonzalveez's

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Speaker 2: and Brian Coberger is the killer of four incredible students,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to refer to him as BK because

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Speaker 2: I do think that's a really valid point. Is he

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's exactly what Judge Hipler said. Obviously you saw,

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I think the judge really did an unbelievable job.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we all needed that, just you know, collectively. Right,

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Speaker 4: Okay, Wow, if you were really smart, do you think

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Speaker 4: you know, like professional. We don't know who he sent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like body has been named in these documents, and

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Speaker 2: how has she been named in them? Because she's her

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Speaker 4: I think it's because I foided the nine one one call.

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Speaker 4: I think that's but I again, did I did too?

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Speaker 4: Oh well than urinim too? Then maybe I'll look and see.

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Speaker 2: I just skimming them.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that we learned though in

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Speaker 5: What I didn't know that, Yeah, I absolutely did not

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Speaker 4: There's no lot, you guys, a lot. No covering it obviously.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: They were not there for the car garbage. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: The bus Olivia you're referring to, Yeah, sister, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay, No, it's a let me find it

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Speaker 4: Why did you choose my sisters before making your move?

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Speaker 4: Did you approach my sisters? Did you tell what you

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Speaker 4: Coberger did exactly. She was she was mimicking him, and

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Speaker 2: did not look so luxurious. It doesn't seem like there's

433
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Speaker 2: wi fi, doesn't seem like there's a lot of sunlight.

434
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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like there's a lot of exercise much.

435
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Speaker 2: I mean admiration like private crew or something.

436
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Speaker 4: There's due to the notoriety of his crimes and the

437
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 4: nature of what he did. But there are people who

438
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Speaker 4: also say that he's going to be, you know, tortured

439
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Speaker 4: due to the nature of his crime.

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Speaker 2: So I don't really know. It depends on what side

441
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Speaker 2: of prison YouTube you watch, you know. I guess I've

442
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Speaker 2: seen the shots shape Redemption and it does not look

443
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Speaker 2: like a fun entry. No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Well, don't go anywhere. We're going to be continuing this

445
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Speaker 4: conversation and later in the show we're going to have

446
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Speaker 4: Jared Farantino trial attorney, who's going to give us some

447
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Speaker 4: insight to the legal things that happen today. Give us

448
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Speaker 4: a call a day, eight thirty one Crime. Keep it

449
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Speaker 4: right here on True Crime Tonight, We're we're talking true

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Speaker 4: crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here every

453
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Speaker 2: night with Body Moven and Court me Armstrong. And what

454
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Speaker 2: an emotional day it has been. We're all feeling a

455
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Speaker 2: little angsty and a little mad. Brian Coburger BK. We're

456
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Speaker 2: going to call him BK, the killer in the Idaho

457
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: student murders, showed his face in court today and he

458
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Speaker 2: had to face some of the music, at least some

459
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Speaker 2: of the victims and the victims' families, i should say,

460
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Speaker 2: and some of the surviving roommates. And if you haven't

461
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Speaker 2: been following this case for incredible students murdered in off

462
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Speaker 2: campus housing, by now we know Brian Coburger BKA himself.

463
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Speaker 2: And it was pretty harrowing stuff because we've all been

464
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Speaker 2: following this case for two and a half years. Lots

465
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Speaker 2: of documents have just been released, so body can speak

466
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Speaker 2: to that, most because she's actually named in some of

467
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Speaker 2: these documents. So more on that for sure, But you know,

468
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Speaker 2: we're trying to turn sadness into might, So we want

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Speaker 2: to hear from you eight eight eight three one crime.

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Speaker 2: Please tell us how you're feeling, and we are finding

471
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Speaker 2: a little energy with each other. So pull up a chair,

472
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Speaker 2: join the conversation. Let's go to a talk back, because

473
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Speaker 2: I feel like this will set the mood.

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Speaker 7: Hey, ladies, after watching the sentencing today, First and foremost,

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Speaker 7: I just want to say how inspired and amazed I

476
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Speaker 7: was by the grace and poise and strength of the

477
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Speaker 7: families as they faced Coburger in court. But I also

478
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Speaker 7: just want to see what you guys had to make

479
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Speaker 7: of his demeanor and how he carried himself in the

480
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Speaker 7: court room. I thought he just looked totally detached and

481
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Speaker 7: cold and didn't show any signs of guilt or remorse.

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Speaker 8: What do you guys think.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a really great observation. Yeah, you know what,

484
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: he is detached and devoid of emotion exactly. That's exactly

485
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: who he is. That's a psychopath, right, Okay, that is

486
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: a psychopath at its core. They do not feel the

487
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: same emotion that the rest of us do. So we're

488
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: so desperate, myself specifically, is so desperate to understand why.

489
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Speaker 2: But it's an unanswerable question, right, we were chasing the

490
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: dragon on that one, and maybe some things will never

491
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Speaker 2: add up, Courtney, what do you think?

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Speaker 5: I literally do not know how those family members were

493
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Speaker 5: able to comport themselves any and all of them. Looking

494
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Speaker 5: at BKA's smug face as he sat there, the only

495
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Speaker 5: one tiny thing that made me happy about his appearance

496
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 5: was the orange jumpsuit, the as Bill Thompson, prosecutor said,

497
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Speaker 5: belly chain and handcuffs, versus coming in there looking like,

498
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Speaker 5: you know, a junior.

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Speaker 2: What was on the table in front of him?

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Speaker 3: No?

501
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Speaker 2: Wait, what's that? What was that? Exactly? I'm so glad

502
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Speaker 2: we're talking about this.

503
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Speaker 3: What I wanted to ask you it was? It was

504
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Speaker 3: a black black heart.

505
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Speaker 2: It was like a like he drew it or something.

506
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Speaker 2: I'm so curious about this because what is the messaging?

507
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: And I guess he has a black heart and we

508
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: know that is which means I guess, no heart. But

509
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: what was that? And what a cowardly thing there? Asked him? Finally, Hey,

510
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: what are you going to say for yourself? Do you

511
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: want to respond? Do you have something to say? Do

512
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: you have some remorse to share? You know, obviously this

513
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: is I'm exaggerating the many times this. You know, he

514
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: was asked this and his quote was, I respectfully decline.

515
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: I almost threw the television again. What were you expecting, though,

516
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about this last night. I was expecting.

517
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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh, No, that is not

518
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: who BK is. I know, it's so hard to demand

519
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: him to be normal because he's not.

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Speaker 3: It will never happen. It will never happen.

521
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Speaker 2: And one thing we saw in on the podcast. You know,

522
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Speaker 2: we covered this Courtney, you and I did when we

523
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Speaker 2: were making the podcast. I guess it was season one

524
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Speaker 2: when we talked to a school official that was in

525
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Speaker 2: his high school and in his high school. I'm paraphrase

526
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Speaker 2: and I'll give it to you quickly, but basically he was

527
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Speaker 2: in this like weird pop program. We had this in

528
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Speaker 2: my high school. It's called Boci's and he could kind

529
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Speaker 2: of choose like a trade. You could be a hairdresser

530
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Speaker 2: or you could be a police officer. He was like

531
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Speaker 2: the weird kid that was like boom boom boom, I

532
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Speaker 2: want to be I ah, I'm the star. He was

533
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: like desperate to be like the number one classmen in

534
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Speaker 2: this really prestigious police program in high school. How great.

535
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Speaker 2: And then somebody, two of Fellow's students who shall remain nameless,

536
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: got real something's they got a spidey sense. They had

537
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: a bad interaction, and they reported him, and he was

538
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: therefore kicked out of that program, no longer able to

539
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Speaker 2: be a cop, and he chose to spend his senior

540
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Speaker 2: year at home. This is pre COVID. This is when

541
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Speaker 2: like at home learned everyone went to schooling, everybody went

542
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Speaker 2: to school. So his senior year was in solitude because

543
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Speaker 2: he was essentially booted for either being a weirdo. And

544
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Speaker 2: by the way, we've questioned this, we were like, oh,

545
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Speaker 2: was we're maybe was he being bullied by, you know,

546
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Speaker 2: maybe some mean students or did those students spot a

547
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Speaker 2: what would be mass murderer slash serial co and they

548
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: identified it? And was that his cross section between I'm

549
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Speaker 2: going to be a good guy, I'm going to be

550
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Speaker 2: a bad guy.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

552
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Speaker 2: We'll never know because he's too much of a coward

553
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: to actually speak up. Go ahead, go ahead, Darty, I'm sorry.

554
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Speaker 5: Oh what just on the talk back when they said,

555
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Speaker 5: you know, how what do you think about how the

556
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 5: family delbwin facing them, and I have to say. The

557
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 5: person who's maybe shoes I felt I would be closest

558
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: fit in was Xana's stepfather, Randy Davis. Yeah, and he

559
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Speaker 5: I have again where we have transcripts and he said,

560
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Speaker 5: I don't know what my limits are here, but I'm

561
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 5: really struggling. I want to be out in the woods

562
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Speaker 5: with you so I can teach you about loss and pain.

563
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Speaker 3: I love God.

564
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Speaker 5: I would not take your life, that's up to him,

565
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 5: but I guarantee you you are weak.

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Speaker 3: You're going to hell. You're evil. There is no place

567
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Speaker 3: for you in heaven.

568
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Speaker 5: And then he said, I'm shaking because I want to

569
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Speaker 5: reach out to you.

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Speaker 3: I hope you feel my energy. All right, go to hell.

571
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's talk about what you know. What one

572
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: of the other victims sisters said about his time in

573
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: prison will be like, what's that clip number?

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Speaker 5: Uh, producer tah, do you have that clip number four?

575
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Speaker 3: I think it is?

576
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Speaker 2: And that I mean, does that not say at all?

577
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Have you not seen what happens in prison? We've all

578
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: made plenty of prillars in shows. Bodies seems to have

579
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: probably an Excel sheet about it and is watching it now,

580
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: I do know, but you know, entry is not sweet

581
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: on those who take the lives of young women or children.

582
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Speaker 2: It is a tough spot. And he is not going

583
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Speaker 2: to a spa and that's the good thing. Nobody else

584
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Speaker 2: I really.

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Speaker 4: Loved about today was when Steve Gonsalves, the father one

586
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: of the victims, yes, got up there. So the podium

587
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: for those who haven't seen it, the podium was sort

588
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: of facing the judge. Okay, he turned, He physically turned

589
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Speaker 4: the podium very abruptly, I might add, to face b

590
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Speaker 4: K and he was literally point like talking directly to him.

591
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Speaker 4: And you know what that call to action? Do we

592
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 4: get to work? Do you know that they're the ones

593
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: who found the grubhub video, the Gonzales family, So when

594
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: they say they got to work, they're not lying. They

595
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: got to work. And you know, every everybody handles this

596
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: kind of situation differently, and I can't help but feel

597
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Speaker 4: I would be very much like they were.

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Speaker 2: Like, very proactive. I think you, for certain, both of

599
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: you would. I believe honestly, I'm not going to.

600
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Speaker 4: Leave this in the hands of police that who don't

601
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: care about me, you know, like I'm gonna you know.

602
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: You got to step up and step up, step up.

603
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: And you know sometimes that does need to happen. And

604
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: God bless them. You know, they got to work and

605
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: they put their grief to work.

606
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Speaker 2: It is so true. I couldn't agree with you more.

607
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: By the way, Stephen Gonzalvez has been like the mighty

608
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: father that we all want, right, Like he's all of

609
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: the fathers have been tremendous, but he's so outspoken, and

610
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: he's like he's out front in front of a courthouse

611
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: and he's ready to give him hell. His son Gonzo,

612
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: how he's affectionately referred to Stephen Gonzalvez Junior. Also, you know,

613
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: worked with us on the documentary that we made, and

614
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: they really do have a spirit and a fight in them.

615
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: And look, I also worry that you know now that

616
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: there's this record scratch ending of a day. I know

617
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: we all feel sort of like, now, what, you know,

618
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: where do you put that anger or you know? And

619
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Speaker 2: I am very confident they're going to put it to

620
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: great things, and that he will never let his daughter's

621
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: name or any of their names, all four of them

622
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: equally not be heard and not be remembered. And a

623
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: lot of love and light to all of them because

624
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: boy one after the other, one after the other, finding forgiveness.

625
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: I don't know that. I'm not sure that. I don't know.

626
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: I know, may we all not have to be in

627
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: that position, but it's a tough spot.

628
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 3: I just I mean it.

629
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: He just moved, he picked up that podium and he

630
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: was like, huh uh, I'm gonna face this guy.

631
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 9: I just had.

632
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Speaker 2: It was very empowering.

633
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 5: So we have another clip that the guys are going

634
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Speaker 5: to pull up in a minute. This is another one

635
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 5: from Steve Gonsalves. It's clip number seven. But body, while

636
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: it's being pulled up, what grub hub video were you

637
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 5: referring to?

638
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: Are you talking about.

639
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: The grub truck? The the truck video truck?

640
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Excuse me? I got confused with the door.

641
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: I could say grub Hub, I didn't. I meant to say,

642
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: you meant that the food try. I heard it food.

643
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: So there was this infamous truck. There was this like

644
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: final footage basically of Kayley Gonsolves and Madison Mogan, who,

645
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: by the way, were childhood best friends, the two blonde

646
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: ones that you see in the photograph so iconically and

647
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: after a night of you know, being out and about

648
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: in university. They went, as college students do, to this

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Speaker 2: like food truck and it was super late in the morning,

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Speaker 2: you know, it was like wee hours and they were

651
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Speaker 2: just like a twitch stream exactly, and that truck has

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Speaker 2: a twitch stream. And Steven Gonzalvee's dad, this guy's like

653
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Speaker 2: a detective. He found that footage and he's the one. Yeah,

654
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Speaker 2: so Oli, it takes a village, It takes a village.

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Speaker 4: I just love that they got to work. They were

656
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Speaker 4: gonna do everything they could to. You know, Maddie May

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Speaker 4: Kaylee's best friend was also a victim, and she was

658
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Speaker 4: like a daughter to them, so it feels like they

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Speaker 4: lost to daughters and sisters right like they.

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Speaker 2: Grew up together.

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Speaker 4: They were not going to let this just kind of

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Speaker 4: be handled on their own and just you know, sit

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Speaker 4: in the background, which by the way, is fine to

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Speaker 4: do as well, of course, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Like obviously, but they just were just you know, and

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Speaker 4: we're gonna play that clip when we come back.

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Speaker 2: Stay with us. We have a lot more coming up.

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Speaker 4: We kind of want to highlight some bits and pieces

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Speaker 4: that we found throughout today's hearing that we want to

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Speaker 4: play for you that we found touching or moving or

671
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Speaker 4: even just get us fired up and listen.

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Speaker 2: We're breaking down all things that happened in the courtroom

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Speaker 2: today with b K killer Ryan Coburger, who is as

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Speaker 2: we speak, en route to his forever home in prison

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Speaker 2: with very little sunlight, possibly in solitary confinement for a

676
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Speaker 2: very very very long time. If you haven't been following,

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Speaker 2: he was in court and has been sentenced officially and

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Speaker 2: had to face family members and surviving victims in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom and their impact statements were bananas moving. Ain't that

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Speaker 2: the truth? Bk F, bk F. Let's get a trendy

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Speaker 2: hashtag FBK Okay, you know we have another talkback actually

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Speaker 2: talkback number four.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 8: Hey, girls, I'm loving the show. So I was just wondering,

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Speaker 8: what do you think prison will be like for Brian Colberger, Like,

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Speaker 8: do you think he'll get what he deserves or maybe

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Speaker 8: even get special treatment?

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Speaker 2: Great question.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, like I said, it really

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Speaker 4: kind of depends on what prisoners you listen to. There

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Speaker 4: are documents they've they've released from the Moscow p D

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Speaker 4: are they interviewed some of the inmates that he was

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Speaker 4: housed with and they say he was very annoying. He

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Speaker 4: was washing his hands all the time, he was pacing

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Speaker 4: in his cell. He would take hour long showers and.

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Speaker 5: Yes, stayed up all night, would take naps during the day,

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Speaker 5: and just pace all night long.

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Speaker 2: And then I guess, I don't think he's gonna make

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Speaker 2: it that behavior. Is that surprising to you guys he's annoying.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all, And that's not surprising to me

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Speaker 4: one bit, not at all. You know what else we

702
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Speaker 4: learned well to answer the talkback question. We don't know

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Speaker 4: great question though, I mean, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: Is if you were just going to get if you

705
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Speaker 2: were going to guess, if I was going to guess,

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Speaker 2: I would I'm going to say he's going to be

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Speaker 2: in protective custody for quite some time, and he's going

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Speaker 2: to be alone. That's my guess. Being alone is not

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Speaker 2: so fun when you're used to a little notoriety and

710
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Speaker 2: you've had access to Wi Fi and listening to podcasts. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think he's still gonna have that. They can get

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Speaker 2: tablets for like a hundred bucks in prison, and even

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Speaker 2: in this prison, I thought he wasn't going to be

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Speaker 2: able to have a tablet. Oh no, he's going to

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Speaker 2: have a tablet.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you don't even have a tablet. How is it

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Speaker 2: possible that BK is going to have a tablet? I

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Speaker 2: honestly literally don't have a tablet. How is that not

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Speaker 2: have a tablet? I know we were talking about this

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Speaker 2: last night because I just I don't know because they're expensive,

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Speaker 2: and that's why. But Brian Koberger brought Brian Enton.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, Brian Nton, our friend, Brian Nenton went to

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Speaker 4: the super worship We love him news daddy. He went

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Speaker 4: to the super Max yesterday and did truro the prison

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Speaker 4: and they showed it. Here's the tablet he's going to

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Speaker 4: be able to get for a hundred bucks.

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Speaker 2: So makes me mad. So yeah, he's going to be

729
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Speaker 2: able to read all about himself. Absolutely. M my goodness, Fortney,

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Speaker 2: what are you thinking over there?

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Speaker 3: You know if.

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Speaker 5: Wishing made it so, I am thinking a lot of

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Speaker 5: things that probably you can't say on the radio and

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Speaker 5: not get a little bit of fine.

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Speaker 3: But I.

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Speaker 5: You know, I love the phrase may you reap, but

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Speaker 5: you so? And I hope he kay gets everything he

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Speaker 5: deserves and I hope he gets that multiple times every

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Speaker 5: day of the rest of what I hope is a

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Speaker 5: really excruciatingly long life.

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Speaker 3: That's my hope.

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Speaker 2: That's your hope. Well, we wish you. I second that hope. Yeah,

743
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Speaker 2: I hope he you know, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 2: hope he's I hope. Here's what I hope.

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Speaker 4: I hope he somehow rehabilitates and realizes the damage he's

746
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Speaker 4: caused and is remorseful and gives the family some answers.

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Speaker 4: I know that's not gonna happen, but that's my hope.

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Speaker 2: Fair I second that hope too, And we hope you'll

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Speaker 2: keep with us because we're going to be back right

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Speaker 2: after the break. We have Jarrett Farantino, the trial attorney

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Speaker 2: that we love. He will be joining us to break

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Speaker 2: down some of the legal ease. This is true Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on Iiheart Radio. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we're talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

755
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Speaker 2: and I had a Kat Studios where we make true

756
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: crime podcasts like The Idaho Massacre on iHeart, and also

757
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: documentaries like the one currently streaming on Peacock, the Idaho

758
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 2: Student Murders. All of this feels wildly relevant because If

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Speaker 2: you haven't been paying attention to the news today, no problem,

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Speaker 2: we are here.

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Speaker 3: We got you. BK.

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Speaker 2: Brian Coberger, the killer in the Idaho student murders, was

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Speaker 2: in court today and officially sentenced. He will never see

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Speaker 2: the light of day again, except for in little, small

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Speaker 2: doses perhaps when he's let out of hopefully solitary confinement

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Speaker 2: and he had to face the music and family members

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Speaker 2: and the surviving victims. And despite what we all think,

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Speaker 2: which is, oh my, it's crazy making because he didn't

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Speaker 2: give us anything. He didn't tell us anything, He didn't

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Speaker 2: give us the where the murder weapon would be some

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Speaker 2: of these unanswered questions. There is an upside to their

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Speaker 2: not being a death sentenced trial in August, and that

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Speaker 2: is we get documents at last. You know, so many

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Speaker 2: things are being held under lock and key by law

775
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Speaker 2: enforcement and attorneys for very good reason because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a trial and it's a very important one. So

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of details that we just have

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Speaker 2: not had access to. And tonight those documents have been shared,

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Speaker 2: so we're getting fast through them as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 2: You could imagine, body movin is all over it, and

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Speaker 2: we will be continuing this conversation throughout the hour, but

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Speaker 2: also in the coming days as new information is revealed.

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Speaker 2: So we like to jump Jarrett Farantino that are in

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Speaker 2: trial attorney. You'll also recognize him from the Peacock documentary.

785
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: He's so good in it and he's been with us

786
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Speaker 2: so many times. Obviously we love you. Jarrett, jump in,

787
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Speaker 2: join in the convo. Welcome to the show, because we

788
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Speaker 2: know you have a perspective on what happened today in court.

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Speaker 9: Well, good evening, it's great to be with you. Promise

790
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 9: me you're going to have me on a boring night

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00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 9: where we could talk about the weather something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can we please, because you know we just are

793
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Speaker 2: going to talk about, you know, sunshine and roses, but

794
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Speaker 2: instead let's talk about murder and this a maying wow.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on.

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Speaker 9: I think we witnessed the entire emotional spectrum today in

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Speaker 9: that sentencing hearing. I have been a part of many

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Speaker 9: of those victim impact statement type of proceedings. One thing

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Speaker 9: I want to say right out the gate, I'm really

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Speaker 9: happy everybody kept their composure and got to say what

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Speaker 9: they wanted to say. And if that brings these families

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Speaker 9: and friends resolution and closure. So many times I've seen

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Speaker 9: people break down be unable to say what they wanted

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Speaker 9: to say. I think young Stephen didn't get a chance

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Speaker 9: to say what he wants to say, but read his

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Speaker 9: statement at a press conference later.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 9: I was relieved they were able to do that so

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Speaker 9: getting it out, getting it in front of Brian Colberger.

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Speaker 9: They were certainly speaking to him, not necessarily just the judge.

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Speaker 9: I thought was a was a win for the families

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Speaker 9: and friends of our victims and man.

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Speaker 2: As victim statements go. I mean, listen, we've all been

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Speaker 2: in courtrooms. I mean, obviously you've been in more than

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Speaker 2: any of us combined. But you know, victim statements, to

816
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Speaker 2: your point, is very powerful. But boy, this was like

817
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Speaker 2: next level. I literally my knees buckled. I cried, I cheered,

818
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Speaker 2: I yelled. I wanted to throw the TV against the

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Speaker 2: wall at one point. It was really next level. So

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Speaker 2: what's your response to how he behaved this BK killer?

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Speaker 2: What's your take on that? Like, why was there no allocution?

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Speaker 2: Why did he not have to speak?

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Speaker 9: Well, he just doesn't have to. I hate to set

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Speaker 9: the answer. He doesn't have to. Brian Kolberger is dead

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Speaker 9: behind the eyes. You know, he acted as much as

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Speaker 9: I expected him to act. We've talked about his demeanor.

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Speaker 9: We talked about his demeanor at the plea. I think

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Speaker 9: the really changed dynamic in Colberger is seeing him in

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Speaker 9: those prison clothes again, seeing how pale he was seeing him,

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Speaker 9: I mean, he looked like a psychopath. Today he looked

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Speaker 9: like and that was a different you know. That shows

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Speaker 9: you the power of perception. And the fact that he

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Speaker 9: didn't have prison clothes on, which was a motion his

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Speaker 9: lawyers filed for because they were worried it was going

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Speaker 9: to prejudice the jury. Seeing him today, he looked as

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Speaker 9: evil as they were telling him he was, and that

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Speaker 9: really played into the emotion of the moment.

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Speaker 2: Could not agree more. We actually have talkback right now.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to go to.

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, I did not realize this until after the sentencing,

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Speaker 8: but the questions that Kaylee's sister asked Brian Colberger and

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Speaker 8: her victim impact statement were the exact same questions that

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Speaker 8: he had posted on Reddit in his survey before he

844
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Speaker 8: committed the murders.

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Speaker 4: Mine blunt, Yeah, and that's right. We just mentioned that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: she was almost like making fun of him when she

847
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Speaker 4: was asking him, uh, did you why did you pick

848
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Speaker 4: my sisters? What were you feeling when you left your apartment?

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Speaker 4: Did you do any you know, she was almost like

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Speaker 4: mocking him.

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Speaker 2: I don't like me, and it was just so perfect

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Speaker 2: and anyone doesn't know what that is. You know. Something

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Speaker 2: that we always thought was very interesting and troubling was

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Speaker 2: that when Brian Coberger was getting his you know, PhD

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Speaker 2: in criminology, smarty pants that he is, he had done

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Speaker 2: this really strange survey where he sent out questions to prisoners,

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Speaker 2: asking very specific questions that were kind of daunting, I

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Speaker 2: mean in retrospects, like straight up scary, horrifying and a

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Speaker 2: real tell. And those questions are what Kaylee Gonzalvez, his sister,

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Speaker 2: basically repeated back to him in jest. And it was

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Speaker 2: really again I know I said it earlier, it's total masterclass.

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Speaker 9: She was mocking him. She started off by saying, you're

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Speaker 9: a psychopath, You're a sociopath. Then she proceeds to mock him.

864
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 9: And narcissism is that you know, he's a narcissist and

865
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 9: she's saying to him, you have no power over me. Here.

866
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 9: I am another young, beautiful woman looking you in the face,

867
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 9: telling you how small and basic you are. That up,

868
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 9: oh was perfect. He wouldn't have had emotion or sympathy

869
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 9: for them. He definitely got pissed off when and that

870
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 9: was her goal. That was she was trying to knock

871
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 9: this narcissist off his pedestal.

872
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: You can't see me, Jarret, but I'm pointing my finger

873
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: at my nose because you just hit the nail on

874
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: the head.

875
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: He did.

876
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: So true and by the way you've said that body also, Courtney,

877
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm for you have too about how the only way

878
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: somebody will get through to him or get a reaction

879
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: is if a woman kind of comes face to face

880
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: with him and is not like cutesy and you know, vulnerable,

881
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: Because listen, this is the guy that couldn't get the girl,

882
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: He couldn't get a lady. He was the guy that

883
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: had no game. He was the guy that resented the

884
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: other people who did have game, and none of these

885
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: women or Ethan would have paid him any mind. So

886
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 2: the fact that it wasn't tears and shriveled up, but

887
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: rather shoulders back and just basically like you're a joke,

888
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: is I guess again that is truly like the anti

889
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: for and what is it when you have a kryptonite

890
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: for a narcissist.

891
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

892
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 5: One moment that was so beautiful and just seemed so pointed.

893
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: And this was where I did feel like I actually

894
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 5: saw at least an eye twitch of a reaction from

895
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 5: Bka was when Olivia Gonzalvez asked him if he started

896
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 5: shaving his bushy eyebrows or if he's manually plucking.

897
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 9: Them right right?

898
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a good one. Can we go to

899
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 4: talk back number three real quick?

900
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: For Jared.

901
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: I have a question about the bron Coberger taste. Could

902
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 6: the prosecutor have made him get up and tell why

903
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 6: he committed the murders? Like, if you're going to take

904
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 6: this plea deal, and we're going to give you this

905
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 6: plea deal, then you're going to tell us why you

906
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 6: did it and force him to tell. I know we

907
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 6: have the right to remain silent, but is that a

908
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 6: stipulation that could have been put in there?

909
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 9: Great questions, A great question when we're getting quite quite commonly.

910
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 9: The answer is the prosecutor could not have forced him

911
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 9: to do that. He could have leveraged that and made

912
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 9: that request and made it a condition of the plea.

913
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 9: But you cannot compel a factual elocution of that nature.

914
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 9: You can. We've talked about We've talked this all of us. Yeah,

915
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 9: so the answer is no, he couldn't force it. He

916
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 9: could have asked, but they just didn't have. The prosecutor

917
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 9: today said he didn't ask that, he never asked it.

918
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm body

919
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: Moving here with Courtney and Stephanie and we are joined

920
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: by Jarrett Farantino, veteran trial attorney. I have a question

921
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: for you, Jarrett. Could he have could Bill Thompson has

922
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 4: said something like this, and I'm just gonna talk. Could

923
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 4: he have said, Okay, we're gonna give you, We're gonna

924
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: take the death penalty off the table and give you

925
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 4: life in prison, but you have to tell us where

926
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: the knife is, tell us where the murder weapon is.

927
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: And if we go dig it up and it ain't there,

928
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: you're not getting the deal. Could they have done something

929
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: like something like that?

930
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think yes, of course, that's the whole

931
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: point of it. It's a bargaining chip.

932
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 9: So he could have The thing is he did. Bill

933
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 9: Thompson was saying today in his press conference afterwards, we

934
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 9: saw an opportunity resolve the case and the litigation not

935
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 9: through the trial, and did he specifically said we wouldn't

936
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 9: have believed what he said anyway. That's fine.

937
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 4: Who is he to decide that though, But you don't

938
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 4: have to believe him. If he tells you where the

939
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 4: knife is and you go dig it up and it's there,

940
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 4: then you know he's telling the truth. What does it

941
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 4: matter if he's lying or not?

942
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 9: Like well, and that was about the motive. That was

943
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 9: really about motive when we were talking about answering that.

944
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 9: But the reality is, you know he could have asked that,

945
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 9: and he had leverage at that point because you didn't

946
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 9: agree to the deal and Colberger's life still hung in

947
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 9: the bounce to say, all right, Brian, you want us

948
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 9: to take the extreme step of taking death off the table,

949
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 9: you got to give us something other than saying you

950
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 9: did this. You got to tell us why, how, where?

951
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 9: What are we missing?

952
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Exactly? Do that or you face a firing squad, which

953
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: was you know what was on the table at the time.

954
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 5: Right right, And Jared, just one more question on you

955
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 5: know the fact that prosecutor Billa Thompson did not ask

956
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 5: for the allocution. I was actually thinking because I couldn't

957
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 5: get it straight in my head. I said, there must

958
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 5: have been a lot of stuff going on in the

959
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 5: background that we are not aware of of why that

960
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 5: didn't happen.

961
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: But then to just say he didn't ask.

962
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 5: Is there a rationale aside from I understand wanting to

963
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 5: not go to trial to save you know, many years

964
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 5: of the victim's family's lives. But is there a rationale

965
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 5: I'm not understanding.

966
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 9: A rationale for not asking about those situations? Are taking

967
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 9: the plea in general? Well just not Yeah, Bill Thompson,

968
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 9: this is not a cut at Bill Thompson. I think

969
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 9: he's a competent guy. I think this was a good

970
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 9: result in this case. I don't think it was the

971
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 9: best result. So let's say that right at the outset,

972
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 9: he fits into this archetypical prosecutor I've encountered where they're

973
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 9: just by the book. They're very much like the guy

974
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 9: didn't even have a suit on today and a sports

975
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 9: that can ants on, which like you look at him,

976
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 9: You're like, Bill, the whole world's going to be watching

977
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 9: throw a suit on, you know, But he probably got

978
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 9: up this morning he said, oh, this is the jacket

979
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 9: closest to the door.

980
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 2: He would have been wearing cuplings. I have a sinking fish.

981
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: You would have had couplings. For sure.

982
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 9: He's engrossed in the law. He's a very matter of fact.

983
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 9: He doesn't see the crazy political and emotional aspects of this.

984
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 9: That's the way I see him. I've encountered people like him,

985
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 9: so I think he just saw it as an opportunity

986
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 9: to resolve the case, take gamble out from what could

987
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 9: happen with a jury, for go decades of appeals, and

988
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 9: bring some closure. And some of the families were on board,

989
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 9: and they had a very small window to get this done.

990
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 9: It wasn't rushed so much as it had to happen

991
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 9: before they brought jurors in. And while Coberger was willing

992
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 9: to accept it, those things happened fast. And that's one

993
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 9: thing Thompson said, I agree with them one hundred percent.

994
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: Well, and to your point about the jury selection was

995
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: slated to begin like July thirtieth, which would have.

996
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 9: Been seven days, thousands of people.

997
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: Ten thousand, They said, yeah, it's crazy. I would have

998
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: been one of them. So you know that's part of it.

999
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: When we come back though, Jared, stay with Jared? Are

1000
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: you going to stay with us? Please? Absolutely? Hostage Lucky.

1001
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: You're our favorite. You're so our favorite, because I'm curious

1002
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: what you guys are going to think about this too.

1003
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: What is the one burning question that each of you

1004
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: have that you would have wanted to get from BK today?

1005
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: If he allocated or if he what is the word allocated? Listen,

1006
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: if you haven't been following closely Brian Coburger, we're going

1007
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: to call him BK even though I keep calling him

1008
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: Brian Coburger regardless he was sentenced today officially for the

1009
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: murders of the four Idaho student that students that were

1010
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: murdered two and a half years ago. He was really

1011
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: claiming his innocence for all this time and jokes on

1012
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: us because not only is he very guilty, but he

1013
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: has also avoided the death penalty. And we're kind of

1014
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: asking you guys the question because our last caller was

1015
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: so smart to say, why didn't he have to allocate?

1016
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 2: Why didn't he have to tell us where the murder

1017
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: weapon is in some of the details of that night?

1018
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: Instead he just I to respectfully decline when asked if

1019
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: he had something to share while the families and the

1020
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: surviving roommates, etc. Were there, So we all have very

1021
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: mixed feelings about that. We would like to hear from you.

1022
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: What is the burning question that you would want to

1023
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: have heard today in court from b K himself? That

1024
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 2: he was too much of a coward to say call

1025
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: us eight eight eight three one crime, or just leave

1026
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: us a talkback on the iHeartRadio app. Or you could

1027
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 2: always leave us a voicemail again eight eight eight three

1028
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: one crime. I'm curious, guys, what's your courtney you're at First?

1029
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 5: I would want to know if he was aware who

1030
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 5: was in the house that night and he if he

1031
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 5: actually had intended to murder those four four victims, I mean,

1032
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 5: and then if so, why had and unravels but did

1033
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 5: he know who was in what he was walking into

1034
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 5: that night?

1035
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: And Jarrett Farantino incredible, you know, veteran trial attorney, what

1036
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: would be the question you would have wanted to know?

1037
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 9: I would I would want to know why and why them?

1038
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 9: Why do this at all? And why were they targeted?

1039
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: Good question? Body burning at the seams here. I know

1040
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: you have ninety questions. Let's answer.

1041
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 9: You can do it.

1042
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: You can't roll off ninety of okay, number one, Yes,

1043
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 4: where's the knife?

1044
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: Where's the murder weapon? Number two? I'm not going to

1045
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: be able to do two, number two?

1046
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 8: Five?

1047
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: I can I do twenty? You can do twenty? The

1048
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: note to dad? What is in that note to dad?

1049
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: So explain the note to Dad, because that's in.

1050
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: The Pennsylvania search warrant results. They said that there was

1051
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 4: a note addressed to Brian Coberger's father from Brian Coberger,

1052
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: right BK FBK from BK. I want to know why

1053
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 4: now they can, Jarrek, let me ask you a question.

1054
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: They can only take things from a search warrant that

1055
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 4: is relevant to the crime, or that they think is

1056
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: relevant to the crime.

1057
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: Correct problem, That's correct.

1058
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 9: But writing like that, if it was contemporary with this,

1059
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 9: they knew Brian came BK just came back to the house.

1060
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 9: Writing from him would be contemporary that you would take that,

1061
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 9: you would grab that, No problem.

1062
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: So noted, What about what about Jared?

1063
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 4: The the IDs they found in the house with inside

1064
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: the glove they found IDs in the search warrant.

1065
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: It tells us everything they took from the house. They

1066
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 2: took I saw what was that?

1067
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 9: Did they say? They were fake IDs? Is if he

1068
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 9: was going to go on the lamb or were they

1069
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 9: his own IDs like student IDs and things of that nature.

1070
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 9: I think it was. Let me say this, If they

1071
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 9: were fake IDs, that would be an argument for consciousness

1072
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 9: of guilt, would suggest that he was going to take flight.

1073
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 9: But I don't know. I think they were his student

1074
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 9: IDs and things of that nature if I remember correctly.

1075
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Okay, But why would they take them if they were

1076
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: his student IDs?

1077
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 9: Is there a real show's ownership of the items they

1078
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Speaker 9: were found with? If they were co mingled with gloves

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Speaker 9: and clothing and things of that nature, it just further

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Speaker 9: shows that there were Brian's.

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Speaker 2: I never thought of that. See, this is why you

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Speaker 2: get paid the big bucks. I never thought of that

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Speaker 2: while you were in the fancy suit to the courtroom.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's why you were wearing the cuff links

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Speaker 4: and I'm were in the overalls right there.

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Speaker 2: Let me go the producer, tahow what it would be

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Speaker 2: your burning question?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 10: Well, based on everything we saw today, I'm kind of

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Speaker 10: curious does he feel anything at all when he hears

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Speaker 10: the victims' names?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 10: Is there any anything emotion?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 10: Does he have an emotion at all for this these

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Speaker 10: family members.

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Speaker 2: Is there any like call back to it?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: I'm dying. I want to hear my question. I'm dying

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Speaker 2: to hear about that car ride with Dad, so we

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: know Dad obviously had this note. Also there was this

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Speaker 2: infamous car ride from the school back home for the

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00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day holiday and was it Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm starting to block it out one

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Speaker 2: second at a time. And he was in the car.

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Speaker 2: You got pulled over twice and by two separate law

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Speaker 2: enforcement entities, and you know, everybody seemed pretty cool and

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Speaker 2: calm in the car there. Did Dad know? Is that

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Speaker 2: possible that maybe he confessed? Because we also know that

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Speaker 2: BK hauled home in the hours after the murders and

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Speaker 2: six lord the bodies were found. What the hell were

1113
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: they talking about? Was that like a manic, weird moment

1114
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: call where he was like, everything's cool, Yeah, I picked

1115
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 2: up my drag cleaning.

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Speaker 3: School, yeah yeah?

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Speaker 2: Or maybe was he confessing or was that like a

1118
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Speaker 2: tip off conversation anybody else and he talked, Please.

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Speaker 10: I do have a Can I ask Jared a question?

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Speaker 10: I know, because he crossed state lines, why wouldn't he

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Speaker 10: face federal state federal charges or can he still face them?

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Speaker 9: Well, well, he didn't he that's a great question. So

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Speaker 9: the fact that he crossed state lines, he didn't. The

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00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 9: crime was committed is the murder is typically a state clime,

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Speaker 9: but let's start there. And the fact that he crossed

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Speaker 9: state lines. You mean from Washington into Idaho, right, correct? Correct,

1127
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 9: So the fact of the matter is the lion's share

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Speaker 9: of that crime was committed in Idaho. It's a state

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Speaker 9: murder crime. If he kidnapped one of the victims and

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Speaker 9: took them across the Washington and the crime was continuing, arguably,

1131
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Speaker 9: then it would become a federal offense. So it's a

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01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 9: great question. But there's a distinction in the law. If

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Speaker 9: you're in the commission of the act when you cross

1134
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 9: the state line, no brainer, it's a federal thing. But

1135
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Speaker 9: the facts really are contained in that state. It's a

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Speaker 9: state crime.

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Speaker 5: God, thank you, Jared, I have one question, and then Stephanie,

1138
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Speaker 5: we're all we're literally all studio, and I said, but

1139
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Speaker 5: since we have you, here's my question. And by the way,

1140
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Speaker 5: if any of you have questions for Jarrett Farentino, our

1141
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 5: legal expert, give us a call. Eight at eight three

1142
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 5: one crime. He will answer it for you. Here's my question,

1143
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 5: and Taylor Slash, the defense team, which has gotten zero mentioned,

1144
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 5: what's going on. I'm not asking you to be a

1145
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 5: mind reader. What do you think a prosecutor would feel

1146
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 5: about this?

1147
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: Is it a win? Is it a loss? Do the

1148
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 3: victim's impact statements impact them?

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Speaker 9: Well, Look, as a prosecutor who's done this, I've taken

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 9: death off the table and accepted a pleat of life.

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 9: It's a win A lot in an injustice is if

1152
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 9: Brian Colberger walked out of that courtroom, that's injustice. And

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 9: I've seen it happen. So and I'm not suggesting that

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01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 9: Colberger would have walked out. I'm just saying so in

1155
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 9: the realm of options that could have happened, this is

1156
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 9: option B. A would be death, B would be life,

1157
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 9: throw away the key God forever. I think the prosecutors

1158
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 9: have no reason to hang their heads because one out

1159
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 9: of the four victims' families takes issue with the result

1160
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 9: or wishes it was better. But at the same time,

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 9: I'm Steve Consolves came in today and thank them. I

1162
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 9: think in the end they have no reason to hang

1163
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 9: their heads and Taylor did a hell of a job

1164
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Speaker 9: defending Brian Colberger on the guilt phase with the preliminary challengers,

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Speaker 9: and she, in her mind had another job, which was

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Speaker 9: to save his life. She believed she saved his life

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 9: so she can walk out with her hand held high

1168
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 9: or were there head held high? I think you know

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01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 9: she could say, look, my job was to protect his life,

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Speaker 9: and I did. And I have to go back to

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01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 9: his parents and say, Brian's alive today you can call

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Speaker 9: your son and that's a win from the defense perspective.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, today in the courtroom, his mother

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Speaker 4: and sister were there. His father and his other sister

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Speaker 4: were not there. My heart is again divided. Come at

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01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 4: me for this one. I know this is an unpopular opinion.

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Speaker 4: I feel for the mom and the sisters of Brian

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Speaker 4: Holberger in a sense to me.

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Speaker 2: Like they didn't do anything and they were very loved

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Speaker 2: and loving, and what a hard spot to be in,

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Speaker 2: and you know, to have to kind of go there,

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: they know they're going to be, you know, ganged up on,

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Speaker 2: and that there. That takes another level of courage. Also

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Speaker 2: to know that your offspring or somebody you love so

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Speaker 2: deeply is capable of something so horrible, you know. To

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Speaker 2: that end, Jarrett, I actually have a bunch of questions though,

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: jaredt is like say, for example, we're not saying that

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: this is the case, but what if Dad was tipped

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Speaker 2: off or was aware prior to recently that this happened,

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Speaker 2: maybe he confessed to his son. Again, we're not saying

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01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: this happen because we have no evidence that that's the case.

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Speaker 2: Could charges be brought up on them.

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Speaker 9: If he committed affirmative acts and support of helping Brian

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Speaker 9: get rid of that. But it's like when he was

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Speaker 9: putting the garbage in the neighbor's garbage and the Poconos

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Speaker 9: in Pennsylvania, for example, if Dad did any of those things,

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Speaker 9: if the trip cross country was to get him out

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Speaker 9: of Dodge and away from the police, there's really no

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Speaker 9: indication of that. Now. The second part of that question

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Speaker 9: really is what did Dad know and when did he

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Speaker 9: know it? There's a lot of odd behavior there. This

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Speaker 9: The whole cross country trip never really made much sense

1203
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 9: to me. I was always suspicious of it. They're very

1204
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 9: wide eyed. If you see on those police stop where

1205
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 9: they're looking like they're just waiting for the cop to say,

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Speaker 9: get out of the car. You're one of some of

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Speaker 9: those murders. And I don't. It's like why, Just to me,

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Speaker 9: it's just it seems odd to me that Dad wouldn't

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 9: have known. It's entirely possible, but I don't think and

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Speaker 9: haven't seen anything that he's done affirmatively that aided Brian

1211
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Speaker 9: in flight or covering up the crime.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fair, that's so fair. Yeah, I wonder why Dad wasn't

1214
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: there is he just so?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and body wait.

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Speaker 4: We learned in the press conference after there was a

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Speaker 4: question and answer section between the reporters and you know,

1219
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Speaker 4: the team the State, let's call it the State, and

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Speaker 4: Bill Thompson said I think it was Bill Thompson, and

1221
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 4: one of them said that no, by the way, no

1222
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: tips from the family.

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Speaker 9: Came in, right.

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Speaker 4: I remember, I had, I had. I had been kind

1225
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Speaker 4: of wondering if that maybe the sister maybe.

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01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was really feeling that theory, and that

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Speaker 2: was totally tracking for me. It was tracking with me too.

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Speaker 4: Obviously I wouldn't have said it, but I mean, obviously,

1229
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 4: I mean I was wrong, apparently, and I'm willing to

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Speaker 4: admit that for sure.

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Speaker 2: But apparently no tips from the family came in, so.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: There were rumors. There were rumors when uh, and this

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Speaker 9: may have been inner family type of conversations. When the

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Speaker 9: vehicle that was being sought was initially released, there was

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Speaker 9: a concern from one of the one of his siblings, saying,

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Speaker 9: could Pran have done this? Now, the next question was

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Speaker 9: did they report it to the police? And that was

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01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 9: speculated too, but Bill Thompson put that to rest today.

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Speaker 5: Hmm right, well, listen, thankfully you will be staying with us, Jared,

1241
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 5: and again anyone who wants to join the com conversation

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Speaker 5: eighted A through to one crime. We have our fabulous

1243
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 5: legal expert. After the break, Jared, I want to know

1244
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 5: if it's illegal. If I knew that someone murdered someone,

1245
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 5: is that a crime?

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Speaker 3: We'll answer that after the break. Keep it here. True

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Speaker 3: Crime Tonight, we are talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here every

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01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: night with Courtney Armstrong and Body Moven and we have

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Speaker 2: veteran trial attorney Jarrett far and Tino back with us.

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01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: Also the host of the True Crime Boss podcast. He

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Speaker 2: also appears in our documentary You're So Good in It,

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: The Idaho Student murders on Peacock and listen, we're all

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Speaker 2: feeling a little fired up now, Jarreed, because of you.

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01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: The show started, we were like three sad chickens, so

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01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: sad inside, and you have reminded us that it is

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: time to I feel like fighting somebody at this point.

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01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: So maybe after the show we're all going to go

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: and get into a bar fight together or something. But

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Speaker 2: you know it's about to hit the fans, so we're

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: paying a little game called talkback Broulette, and Courtney go ahead.

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Speaker 2: You had a question first.

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Speaker 5: I had the one question that I asked you before break,

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Speaker 5: and I don't know the answer. If someone, let's say,

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Speaker 5: my sister erin may God forbid, this.

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Speaker 2: Still never happened. It would never happen any life.

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Speaker 5: But if she committed a crime wherein she murdered four people,

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Speaker 5: and therefore I had knowledge, and the police asked me,

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Speaker 5: I didn't help. I didn't do anything, and I didn't

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Speaker 5: get rid of anything physically. If police asked me, hey,

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Speaker 5: did your sister do this? Is it a crime to

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01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 5: say no?

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01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: Like, is there any if you just shrugged your shoulders, yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: So, so if you're under oath, it's perjury. It's a

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 9: crime to lie to law enforcement certain types of questioning,

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Speaker 9: but just knowing alone is not a crime. You need

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 9: to have an affirmative act, whether you're hiding a weapon,

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01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 9: hiding the person. So if you hid your sister, if

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 9: you lied to the police to protect them, you could

1282
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 9: be charged with being an accessory or obstructing, or perjury

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Speaker 9: if it's under oath in front of a grand jury.

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Speaker 9: So those things. Knowledge can be a very dangerous thing

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01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 9: if you act out and in violation of the law

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01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 9: just knowing alone. If Colberger's dad only knew and didn't

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Speaker 9: do anything to assist his son, then he's not guilty

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01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 9: morally wrong yet legal wrong though, right.

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Speaker 2: And we were just like playing this terrible game between

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Speaker 2: us during the break, which is like, okay, so this

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Speaker 2: is not an intentional murder. What if it was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, they hit their head and it was

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Speaker 2: a vaz that fell out of the sky. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's very different when four people are slaughtered. You know,

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Speaker 2: you have to face the music, and you could love somebody,

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Speaker 2: but you would have to stand with them and say, look,

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Speaker 2: I love you so much, but you have to face

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Speaker 2: the time, and I will bring you to face the music. Oh,

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Speaker 2: it is tough spot to spot. By the way, did

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Speaker 2: we ask Jared what his number one question?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared, Yeah we did.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 2: I think you have another one though, Go ahead hit

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Speaker 2: us with another question. You may have. I blacked out.

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Speaker 9: I don't remember another question I would have had was

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Speaker 9: I think it all boils? How did you target them?

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Speaker 2: Did you know it was there one?

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Speaker 9: Did you intercept them? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think that's like I'm sorry, Jared, I'm sorry, no, no, no, please.

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Speaker 9: I was just going to say, was there some kind

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Speaker 9: of a where did you find In my opinion, it

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Speaker 9: was Matty Mogan? And did you see her at the

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Speaker 9: at the vegan restaurant? Did you find her on Instagram?

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Speaker 9: Because even though Bill Thompson denied those things today, they

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Speaker 9: never talked about some of the things they pulled off

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Speaker 9: Coburger's phone that we know. We know there were Ted

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Speaker 9: Bundy searches, we know there were afphic porn searches. Thompson

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Speaker 9: didn't mention any of that. He really cleaned up his

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Speaker 9: description of this thing, and so I would want to

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Speaker 9: know from Coburger what did they missed, because they did

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Speaker 9: say two things that were distinct that we didn't know

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Speaker 9: that we now know tonight. Number One, he did employ

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Speaker 9: hardware or software to clean his phone, and that's huge.

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 9: That was huge to wipe out any any kind of

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Speaker 9: browser history or certain social media history. The second thing

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Speaker 9: they said we found tonight was that Brian Koberger, what

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Speaker 9: was I'm sorry, I'm losing my train of thought here.

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Speaker 9: There was a second issue that came forward tonight about

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Speaker 9: something briank Oh. He downloaded software to monitor police activity

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Speaker 9: at twelve thirty pm on the night of the murder.

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Speaker 9: So those are things that never get discussed by Bill

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Speaker 9: Thompson today and we're never revealed publicly till the paperwork

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Speaker 9: was revealed.

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Speaker 2: And I have another question too, why that night or like,

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Speaker 2: what was the inciting incident in his personal life that

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Speaker 2: made him decide that that was the moment to kill

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Speaker 2: to quote his little weird survey that he was sharing

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Speaker 2: with prisoners to find out what their weird reason was.

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Speaker 2: Why then? I always, like my dad used to always say,

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Speaker 2: you know, if only they had woken up a little

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Speaker 2: sooner or gone to bed a little later, like if

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Speaker 2: the day just was brighter, you know, sometimes that could

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Speaker 2: have changed the course of such a hideous night. But

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Speaker 2: it just seems like it was so random. And I

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Speaker 2: guess that's why we're also scared by this case, because

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Speaker 2: there's no great origin story. In the slightest it just

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Speaker 2: seems so incredibly senseless. We actually have a talk there now.

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Speaker 9: There were some things going on at the university that night,

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 9: you know, the big game, and a lot of put

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01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 9: traffic and a lot of drinking, So that would have

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 9: been a night to be moving around late or early

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Speaker 9: in the morning. True too.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're listening to True Crime tonight on Nheartradio. I'm

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Speaker 4: body move in here with Stephanie Leidecker and Courtney Armstrong

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Speaker 4: and we are joined by veteran trial attorney Jarrett Farantino,

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Speaker 4: host of his own podcast, True Crime Boss please check

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Speaker 4: it out, And we're talking about the Brian Coberger sentencing

1359
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 4: that happened today and we really want to know your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Give us a Callauday eight thirty one Crime and we

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Speaker 4: have a talkback right now. Can we go ahead and

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Speaker 4: hit that talk back?

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Speaker 11: Hi, listen to Schelle from Tampa and a question I would.

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Speaker 9: Want to ask the Kay is did E c Dylon

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 9: that night?

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Speaker 6: Thank you, big fan?

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Speaker 4: Great, that's a when we were in the break and

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Speaker 4: I think that was one of tahas because you know, listen,

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Speaker 4: we all have one hundred questions, but Stephanie is only

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Speaker 4: making us pick one.

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Speaker 2: She's because she's torturing us. But that was one of tas.

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Speaker 2: That was one of tas, right, TAA, did you are correct?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm curious as to what he saw that night

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Speaker 10: and after he saw her, but yeah, that was my.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

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Speaker 4: And why did he spare her? And thank god he did?

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01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 4: Thank god he spared her? But why did he spare her?

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: I was he just exhausted from everything that he just did?

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: Was his vision visual snow at play? Was it just

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01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: too dark?

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01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 4: And he just was like seeing only the slider to

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Speaker 4: get out and he's moments away from pulling this off.

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01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: Like you know, what are the what are the what

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: are the reasons? So I think that's a good talk back.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, But didn't b Kay also say he responded

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Speaker 5: and said something like it's okay, I'll help you.

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Speaker 4: Dylan Okay, So, just so everybody knows, the Moscow Police

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Speaker 4: Department have released a three hundred and forty one I

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Speaker 4: would know, three hundred and fourteen documents, police reports, interview notes,

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Speaker 4: things like that that they've collected throughout the last two

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Speaker 4: and a half years. You know, I sent this subpoena

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Speaker 4: for this, then I got this back, you know, and

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 4: some of the things that have come out have given

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 4: us a little bit of insight to that. And Dylan,

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 4: it's a little bit more detailed in these police reports,

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Speaker 4: and again we have to go through them. I I

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 4: kind of feel bad even talking about them right now.

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Speaker 4: But in one of them, Dylan said that she absolutely

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 4: heard him say that, and it was a voice she

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Speaker 4: didn't recognize, and it wasn't said in a nice tone,

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Speaker 4: which is a new element that we didn't have before. Right,

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 4: So I thought that was interesting. Another thing we learned,

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,759
Speaker 4: you guys, is that apparently Brian Coberger BKA, sorry, Beka

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 4: matches somebody on tender. We don't know when it's not dated.

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01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 4: It doesn't give us any kind of time frame. He

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 4: matches somebody on tender. They were talking and he asked her,

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01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 4: what do you think the worst way to die Is

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01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 4: and she said, oh, probably a knife, and he goes, oh,

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01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 4: something like a k bar.

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Speaker 2: Wow, can you believe it?

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 4: So these documents are giving us a little bit more

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 4: insight to little little things. And again I'm going to

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01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: go through them all. We're going to present it in

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 4: a in a better, in a better way than just

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01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 4: me rambling.

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Speaker 2: But I thought that was interesting old today.

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Speaker 9: One thing Olivia make an impact stable was incredible. If

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Speaker 9: you remember, she said, a prisoner is going to say

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 9: to you, I'm here to help you. Yes, I don't

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 9: have anybody pick that up. I caught it, and I remember,

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01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 9: oh my god, that's what Dylan heard him say.

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01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 2: I did not catch that until just this moment said it.

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 9: She said it.

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Speaker 4: There were all kinds of inside oh yeah, said Olivia.

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 2: Made yeah inside baseball that. Yeah, it was like poetry.

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 9: Really.

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01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: She was doing a lot of like, you know, you know,

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: a wink and a nod to those who know if

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 2: you know, you know, kind of a vibe and using

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: his exact same verbiage right back at him. Oh that's

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: really interesting.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: I heard that when during the hearing, but it didn't

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Speaker 2: that didn't click for me until just now. Interesting observation, Jared,

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: I was so impressed with Judge Hippler today. I don't

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: know about you, Jared. He seemed really.

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 4: He Jared did, is it normal for a judge when

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: he's handing down the sentence to somebody like this to

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: speak to b K the way that Judge Hitler spoke

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 4: to be K. And for those that didn't watch it,

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 4: he was just like kind of like, you're fifteen minutes

1442
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 4: of fame are over.

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01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: You're nothing. You know, here's your sentence. Is that normal?

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 9: Well, I wouldn't say this case is anything but normal,

1445
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 9: but I've seen judges. I've seen judges tell defendants they

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 9: have no redeeming qualities as a human. You know. At

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 9: that point, the robe was essentially off, like we're gone

1448
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 9: being neutral here, I'm about to send you away. So

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 9: it is common in a case of this magnitude and

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01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 9: this kind of a crime to really let the defendant

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 9: have it. And when he said to Colberger, you have

1452
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 9: no redeeming qualities. I can't even compliment you on your penmanship,

1453
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 9: which is a judge he cited the one nice thing

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 9: you could say. So I thought that spoke volumes, But

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 9: Hitler was no nonsense he was emotional, which I've seen

1456
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 9: judges get too. I mean, you can't be a human

1457
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 9: being other than Brian Colberger and that woman not heal

1458
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 9: the emotional pain of those families all the way around,

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01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 9: and a judge or no judge, it's it's hard to

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01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 9: hide it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was really impressed.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And Jared, I know we only have you for

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 5: two more minutes. But on something that you said earlier

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01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 5: about prosecutor whose name just flew out of my head,

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 5: Bill Tomson, Yeah, you commented that he quote cleaned things up,

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 5: which I agree. Why do you think that what is

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Speaker 5: the rest now behind me?

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Speaker 9: He's trying to he's trying to take some of the

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 9: sensationalism out of this, and I don't, As I said,

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Speaker 9: I'm describing his as a very by the book prosecutor.

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Speaker 9: He only wants enough details out to secure the conviction

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Speaker 9: and move on. He's really trying to downplay this and

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 9: that's not a rub against him. That's a style, that's

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 9: an approach to this. I don't see that. It's just

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01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 9: not effective in this type of a case. You have

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01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 9: to kind of just wide away a little bit and say, look,

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01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 9: the demand of the public. They really want to know

1478
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 9: some of these details. Stop holding back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well said, and as is everything you always say, Jarrett,

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01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 5: we literally clap when we know you're coming around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry so Jared Farantino love having ye so so much.

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Speaker 5: Jeran veteran trial attorney, national legal analyst post of True

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Speaker 5: Crime Boss, which everyone should be listening to as well

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01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 5: as Primetime Crime. As always, Jarrett, thank you for gracing

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01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 5: us with your present. We hope to have you back

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Speaker 5: soon and listen. After the break we will be hearing

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Speaker 5: from you. We will have final thoughts of the night,

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Speaker 5: and as always.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to call us eight eight eight three one crime.

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01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,480
Speaker 5: And it's actually it is a real old school voicemail,

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Speaker 5: like think about almost nineteen eighties, and we actually say

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Speaker 5: I'm Stephanie, I'm Courtney on body. So even if you

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Speaker 5: just want to hear it, we're very very hippy.

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Speaker 2: And we have a caller on the line. See welcome

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: to the show. What's your question?

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Speaker 9: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 11: Actually, and it's potentially a horrizing question, Bring it okay.

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Speaker 11: I was curious if anybody had empathy towards becaved family.

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Speaker 11: I do, and I want to clarify that I believe

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Speaker 11: that he is guilty. I believe that he does not

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 11: necessarily deserve empathy, but I feel empathy towards his parents

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Speaker 11: and his family, his siblings.

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Speaker 2: I do too. It's Steph. I also feel the same way. Again,

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01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: he can, you know, go to hell, in my humble opinion,

1506
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: and may God be with his family, like his sisters.

1507
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: And you know, we've all dug into this for so

1508
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 2: so long, and there's really nothing that has ever been

1509
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: said poorly of them. You know, his sisters lost their jobs.

1510
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 2: You know, they've been through it. He was the baby

1511
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: of the family. Mom was very loving, dad, you know,

1512
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: Janitor working at the high school. And you know, they

1513
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: all seem to be like really equally as washed up

1514
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: in this. But I know that's also an unpopular opinion.

1515
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: And I understand all sides of this. It's not very popular.

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 4: It's just that they still get to they still get

1517
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 4: to talk to him.

1518
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the victims' families do not.

1519
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 4: So yes, I absolutely have thank you see by the way,

1520
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 4: thank you for the call, so you get a call.

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01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 3: Great question.

1522
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 4: While I absolutely have sympathy for you know, the Coburger family.

1523
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 4: They've done nothing wrong. This is not their fault.

1524
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: They're just not center stage to me because these other

1525
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 2: families have lost everything. They've lost everything in some cases.

1526
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: So no, I mean it, they just don't take center

1527
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: stage to me.

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:04,679
Speaker 5: Think it needed to be center stage necessarily, even the victims.

1529
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 5: Anna ker Nodle, her uncle Stratton used his time, his

1530
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 5: victim impact statement time to.

1531
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 3: Actually speak to exactly what you called about.

1532
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 5: And looking at the transcript referring to b Kay, he said,

1533
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 5: you know everything he's done to his family, his parents,

1534
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 5: his siblings, his friends, his universe, he has contaminated, tainted

1535
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,440
Speaker 5: their family name and pretty much made it horrible, miserable

1536
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 5: thing to ever be related to him. Sure, so I

1537
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:39,839
Speaker 5: thought that was real compassion to be able to even

1538
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 5: have that thought.

1539
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: As well as the victims.

1540
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: I mean, they're real people. They're I mean they're victims too, right,

1541
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: English sisters a therapist.

1542
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: But let's face it, they get to talk to him

1543
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 4: myself want to.

1544
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: They might not want to, but his mom and sister

1545
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: were sitting right there in front of him. Tell me

1546
01:21:59,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: they're live.

1547
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: I might ever see them, are not ruined.

1548
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 4: They saw them at the jail yesterday. They went for

1549
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 4: a visit.

1550
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 5: I don't know the lives that they had on November twelfth,

1551
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two. Are ruined, they're over and they're done. Yeah,

1552
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 5: and it's so true.

1553
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 2: It's a family stain on the name of generations and

1554
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: generations of Coburgers, right, So it's a hard one, you know,

1555
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: it's a spot that you know, not everybody can relate to.

1556
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: But wow, I don't. I'm not sure that I even

1557
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 2: have the proper words. But listen, we're obviously going to

1558
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 2: be going through all of these files. So we didn't

1559
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: even get to Josephcott Morgan tonight. He's going to be

1560
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: digging through files too. He's going to be joining us

1561
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 2: on Sunday to talk about sort of the forensics that

1562
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 2: we're learning now real time. Obviously, law enforcement has now

1563
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: released documents that we would never have had access to

1564
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 2: until the trial was either happening or thereafter. So there's

1565
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 2: a little bit of a deep dive happening. We're all

1566
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: in it for the next twenty four hours, so of

1567
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: course we'll be covering that tomorrow. And Epstein. We didn't

1568
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 2: get to Epstein and the dopey dentist dentist in Colorado.

1569
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: The trial continues, so please we will see you tomorrow.

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01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 9: Night.

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01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. This is true Crime Tonight.

1572
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: We talk true crime all the time. Stay safe and

1573
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: have an excellent night.