WEBVTT - SYSK’s Fall True Crime Playlist: The Tylenol Murders, Part I 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.160 Now Up is one of my favorite of our true 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.600 crime episodes on the poisoning deaths of at least seven 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.120 people in the Chicago area back in nineteen eighty two. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.160 What makes this case so unsettling is that there doesn't 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.720 seem to be any connection whatsoever between the victims and 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.400 the killer. The murderer just seems to have been a 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.520 mad poisoner. Like most good true crime mysteries, this one 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.640 is also unsolved. Enjoy. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.360 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of Iheartradios 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:34.320 How Stuff Works. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.560 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh. There's Chuck. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:48.479 There's Josh. Not me too, Why Chuck? Guest producer Josh 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:50.680 is back in the house. Yeah, and there's a little 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.080 Chuck in. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.440 Your pocket, Remember little Elvis. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.560 I was just about to say that you got that right, town. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:59.240 Of Oh Man, what a great sketch. Really? 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:00.880 That was Nick Cage, wouldn't it. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:01.280 Yeah? 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.480 Man, did you ever see Mandy? 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.959 Yes? It was terrible. I don't care what anybody else says. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:06.480 You hate it. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.839 Terrible, terrible movie. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:09.479 Yeah. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.720 Nolan and I talked about it on movie Crush. He's 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.520 seen it like four times, thinks it's the best thing 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.800 ever come on. No, he was like people the love 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.120 it or hate it? And now it's like, actually, I 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:18.920 was kind of in the middle. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.240 Were you really Yeah? 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.680 I mean I told him young Chuck, like twenty two 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.440 year old college Chuck sure would have probably liked it 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.120 a lot more. Yeah, But today Chuck was kind of like, 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.039 I get it, Like, sure, sure parts of it were fine. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:40.160 Sure to me. Spending an hour doing character development, uh huh, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.560 but not successfully making you care about the characters just 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:45.840 really irked me. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.400 Wow, you had structural issues. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.240 Yeah, that was really the big thing. I also thought 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.280 Linus Roach was very very odd for casting. But is 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.760 that which one was the main bad guy that called later? 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.920 That was weird, very weird. I don't even know him, but. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.080 He's from law and like some other stuff you gotta 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.440 get into. Wa see how what you're missing out on? 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:06.440 That's becoming a bit. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.160 So did we start recording yet? 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:10.560 I think so? 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.480 Oh, I already welcomed everybody the podcast. That's right, So Chuck, 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.040 we are. This is some true crime stuff we're getting 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.680 into here, that's right. But I feel like we need 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.440 to set the tone right because this isn't this didn't 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.240 happen just yesterday. This happened way back in nineteen eighty 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.600 two in Chicago, Illinois, And I remember this yea though 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.919 I was like six at the time. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.440 It was one of my favorite years. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.320 Because of this, the opposite of that, right, mainly because 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.000 of movies. What was so great about nineteen eighty two? 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.720 Look it up? Man? Well, I was kind of hoping 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:44.880 to tea Blade Runner? 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:45.840 Oh really? 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.080 Yeah? Okay, yeah, that was the best movies. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.840 Do you know I didn't see Blade Runner until I 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.200 was forty. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.600 That's not true, Yes it is? Oh really, yes, the original. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:58.520 The original Blade Runner? 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.399 H Did you like it good? 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.160 I like the second one too, you like? 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:07.120 But they spent way too much time on characters. Yeah. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.799 And I just did a little poking around about nineteen 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.280 eighty two, and it was It was a good year 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.119 for an eleven year old, but it was an uneasy 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:19.600 time in America. Well for a bunch of awful things 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.480 happened that year. And I don't know if it was 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.120 any more or less than other years. But air Flight 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.040 ninety crashed in into the Potomac River, remember that. No, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.400 in Washington, d C. The plane crash in the river. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.600 Didn't hit a bridge maybe, but was there was like 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:39.480 a daring icy river rescue. Oh really yeah, seventy eight 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.360 people died. Though. That same day a metro train in 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.320 d C derailed, killed three people. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:46.000 Geez. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.680 February was when Wayne Williams was convicted, and that was 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.440 just the end of a lot of unease, you know, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:58.080 for years. Yeah, klaud savan but Law was found guilty 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.000 of attempted murder his wife in March. 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.880 I didn't make it to the end of reversal of fortune, 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.520 so I honestly didn't know what happened to Klaus guilty. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.160 In June was the murder of Vincent Chen, who was 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:16.400 a Chinese American who was beaten to death by two 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.840 men in Michigan thinking he was a Japanese and they 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.839 were like stealing his their auto work. Oh my god, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.520 I know, right. And then July ninth, pan Am flight 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.760 seven five nine goes down in Louisiana, kills all one 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.000 hundred and forty six people on board, plus eight more 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.280 on the ground. And then in September, early September, this 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.840 was when I know, man, remember planes used to just crash, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:41.720 yeah a lot. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.240 Yeah, that never happens. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.919 Now, not as much, but yeah, weird that we're recording 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.680 this in the midst of more plane gratches. And then 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.359 early September was when that paper boy in Iowa was 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.240 kidnapped and never seen again. Johnny Ghosh, I don't know 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.400 that one. That was a big deal too, because it was, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.279 you know, the paper boy, and there was this false 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.880 story about a pedophile ring from politicians and that turned 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.920 out not to be true, but he was never found again. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.600 So basically everything that's going on today is just a 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.280 rehash of nineteen eighty two. It sounds like I. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.159 Just remember being about that age and they're just the 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.840 nightly news sort of just being a horror show. Yeah, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.440 and not politically speaking, you know, like a real bad 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:26.640 incidence is occurring. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.000 Well yeah, plane crash like just about at any age, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.880 like that'll bring you down if you see that on 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.279 the news, for sure, Yeah, because you know, when you 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.600 get on a plane, you think, huh, maybe this plane 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.200 will go down while I'm on it, and that would 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:40.880 be terrible. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.120 Although I wasn't flying at eleven. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.719 So all of those things you just mentioned sweep them 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.479 totally off the table, okay, because come the end of 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.880 September of that year, nothing else mattered. But what we're 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.880 about to talk about now, that's right. Nothing nothing came 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:05.280 close to taking the over the national psyche like the 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:11.640 deaths of seven people beginning on September twenty, nineteen eighty 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.880 two in Chicago, Illinois. Yeah. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.160 And one of the articles I read about this, I mean, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.360 are we trying to keep it a secret? It's a 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.839 show title, right, yeah, yeah. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.240 Yeah, I think they're going to have to figure it out. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.240 So yeah, go ahead, the tailan all murders. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.000 Yeah, okay, you're like, oh no, no, but that's that 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.200 comes up in part two. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.080 Oh yeah, this is a two parter. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.520 Yeah as well, so buckle in everybody. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.680 So I was doing some research though when I saw 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.919 one article that said something about, you know, the first 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.240 domestic terror incident United States that nobody's ever heard of? 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.840 Was like, what, who hasn't heard of this? 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.760 A millennial wrote that headline. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.599 Well, I have to say, Josh on the way in here, yeah, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.599 I told him Thailand murders and he went, huh. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:58.080 He goes, what's the tailand all? You old coger, we. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.440 Should probably say what tailandill is? 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.960 Huh oh okay, yeah, I guess just in case you 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.080 are a millennially you've never heard of Thailand All, but 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.680 tailand All was and still is an over the counter 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.880 pain reliever. It's like you have aches and pains and 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:15.360 apparently what's crazy? People would take tailand All whatever was 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.160 wrong with them, right, because now you can go get like, 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:24.040 you know, aspirin, and you can get advil and a leave. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.800 There was no leave back then. That was a nineties drug. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.320 There's way more over the counter pain relievers now than 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.000 the we're back then. Back then, tailand All was basically it. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.160 Yeah, it's a set of minifin, which is different than aspirin, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.160 and I think a lot of people just think those 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.040 are interchangeable. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:44.320 Right. The reason I believe Thailand All became so big 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.640 is because aspirin upsets a lot of people's stomachs, right, 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.920 tailand All does not, or it's not supposed to, And 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.640 that's why it came out of nowhere and just took 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.760 over the asper market. I think by nineteen eighty two, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.560 tailand All had thirty seven percent of the market. It's 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.480 pretty good cornered. Yeah, yeah, almost half. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.760 Especially since like some of the other like aspirins have 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.600 been around since you know, nineteenth century, right. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.840 So it makes sense then that when a little girl 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.640 named Mary Anne Kellerman complained that she had a sore 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.960 throat and wasn't feeling too good at like seven am 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:25.040 on Wednesday, September twenty ninth, nineteen eighty two, her parents said, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.360 just take an extra strength title and all and go 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.800 back to bed man her sore throat. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.359 You imagine the guilt. Oh no, these parents feel. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.200 Well, don't blow it. We haven't said what happens to 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.679 Mary Anne Kellerman yet. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.440 I think everybody knows. Yeah, she got up, said him sick. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.520 He said, take this. The father said he heard her 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.800 go into the bathroom and closed the door, then heard 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.800 something drop and went to the door, saying, are you okay, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.160 You're okay? No answer, opened the door and there she 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.800 is on the floor. Taking to the hospital. But died 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.560 very quickly. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.800 Yeah, probably was when she went to the hospital. Was 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.000 pronounced there and they suspected And this is just a 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.800 little twelve year old girl of middle school girl into 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:13.360 Jane Adams Middle School. They think she died of a stroke. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.480 That's what they thought happened too. They were just so 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.760 baffled that they're like it had to have been a stroke. 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.520 That's the only thing that can come on like this. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.600 Yeah, so that's seven am. Just the day is just beginning, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.360 and one atrocity has already happened. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.680 Yeah, this is a very bad day in the history 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.200 of Chicago. September twenty ninth, nineteen eighty two. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.360 Yeah, absolutely, and it started early. Adam Janis, who will 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.400 detail his story, but put a pin in this one too, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.360 because he figures in even more prominently in a minute. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.240 But a little bit later that same morning, this gentleman, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.520 Adam Janis, he's twenty seven years old and lived in 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:57.560 Arlington Heights, another Chicago suburb, and he died. And they 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.880 think that this is a heart attack. He complained of 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.040 chest pains after he had driven his daughter's neighbor home 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.959 from school, said I'm going to take the day off, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.560 comes home, eats a little lunch, takes two extra strength 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.720 tile and all that he bought from a local drug store. 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.560 Collapses in front of his wife and by you know, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.679 a few minutes later, when the paramedics arrived, he was dead. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.640 Right, And again, like you said, they said heart attack 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.920 because he'd been complaining of chess pains, which had nothing 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.360 to do with it. Right, But just like Marian Kellerman, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.360 took an extra strength tilent all for a sore throat. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.800 He took some extra strength tilent off for some chest pains. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.199 This is just what people did back then. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.960 Yeah, And that's what complicated it a little bit at first, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.280 was that you know, if you take the tile and all, 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.760 it means you felt bad already. So obviously you know 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.280 they're going to be saying, like, wait a minute, chest 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.960 pains or sore throat, Like, how does that figure in? Yeah, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:48.760 and it didn't. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.880 Plus, also, what made this even more baffling is that 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.280 Marian Kellerman was twelve and healthy. Adam Janis was twenty 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.480 seven and healthy. Yeah, and all of a sudden, they 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.679 just dropped dead. People don't just drop dead, no matter 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.000 what you see on TV or in the movies or whatever. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:07.079 Dropping dead inexplicably is a really bizarre thing. When you're 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.319 a healthy person, it doesn't happen. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.440 Next, we have Mary Reiner, same day, same day. This 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.320 is still all on the same day. She's twenty seven 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.640 years old. She's feeling a little dizzy. She had just 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:25.079 come home from the hospital after having given birth to 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.200 her fourth kid a couple of days before. Super Super Sad. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.480 All of these are obviously, but being just a brand 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.000 new mom for the fourth time, it's just so tragic. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.160 And then by three forty five she was so ill 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.440 she was rushed back to the hospital and again died 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.320 very very quickly. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.200 Yeah, and like Adam Janis collapsed in front of his wife, 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.079 she collapsed in front of her young eight year old daughter. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.560 One of her children saw and Yeah, when she was 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.520 taking the hospital, they pronounced her dead as well. This 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:01.120 is mid afternoon. Mary McFarlane was up neck. She was 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:06.280 over in the suburb of Lombard and she worked at 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.160 an Illinois Bell phone center where you remember, like you 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.480 go get your phone, like the rotary phone, you know, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.440 you would actually lease your phone. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.079 I wasn't involved in that process, but we had them 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:18.560 in our home. 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.880 Okay, Well your parents knew that. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.680 Play figured they just bought that stuff. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.440 No, there was like a store where you would go 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.400 it's like the phone company's retail store, and you would 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.600 go and be like that pink one that's. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.079 Like smartphones today, kind of same model. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.280 Kind of yeah, I guess so, but this was with 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.640 a big, clunky rotary phone and you had to pay 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.280 extra for the extra long court. Well, Mary McFarlane worked 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.360 in one of these stores, and at about four o'clock 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:48.199 at the Illinois Bell Phone Center, she had a massive 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.840 headache that just came on out of nowhere, and she 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.240 went and back and got some extra strength tile and 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.800 all out of her purse, took a couple of them, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.680 and within minutes collapsed in the store. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.880 Yeah, she was young at well, she was thirty one 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:05.439 years old, mother of two. And then remember I was 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.640 talking about Adam Janis. A few minutes ago, his family 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:14.240 goes to the hospital. Obviously, everyone converges there. He passes away, 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.080 and so the family makes their way home to begin 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.800 morning and just sort of trying to reconcile what had 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.360 just happened. His brother, Stanley, he was only twenty five, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.040 and then his wife Teresa, who was only nineteen, are 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.679 both just overcome and worn out and have headaches. So 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.880 they're at Adam's house. They got to his medicine cabinet, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.679 get out the tile on all that he took completely unknowingly, obviously, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:44.920 and Stanley hits the ground, Foam comes from his mouth, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.000 his eyes roll back in his head. Everyone's freaking out, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:53.319 and a few minutes later his wife collapses and they 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.920 call the ambulance. By the time the ambulances get there, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.360 I think Stanley died that day and Teresa somehow managed 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:01.240 to live a couple of days. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.560 Yeah, she hung on and I don't know if like 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.720 her dose was lesser or what, but she survived for 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:08.840 a couple of days after that. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:09.280 Yeah. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.679 I mean my guess is that there just wasn't as 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.800 much cyanide and the capsule she took, right, did I 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:16.800 just give something else away? 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.720 Yeah, you did it. But so Stanley took his titlan 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.000 off first, and then Teresa's occurs, and one of the 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.520 paramedics noted like Teresa was the one that called the 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.120 ambulance out to come out for Stanley. And when you 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.440 get there, they're both like on the ground, like what's 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.400 going on, And one of the paramedics that everything that 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.720 was happening to the guy happened to the woman like 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.720 a couple of minutes later, right like she was just 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:44.000 following him through this process of like basically systemic organ failure. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.240 And this is the same day that his brother had 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:47.880 passed away. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.200 Yep, this is about five six hours, six hours after 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:53.400 Adam Janis had died. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.280 Then finally I know this is all tough to go 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.880 through everyone. We almost selected this as our next live show. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:01.800 I'm really glad we did. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:02.960 He'll be a good cause. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.200 I mean, can you imagine trying to liven this up 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:05.920 with some jokes? 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.600 I thought the whole time I was like, nah, we 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.480 can do that. But yeah, the more I got into it, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.560 I was like, yeah, it's probably not good live material. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.120 Right, we should have a rule of thumb that any 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.080 story that begins with the death of a twelve year 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.680 old girl probably not live show material. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.240 I think you're right. So finally we have Paula Prince, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.800 Paula Jean Prince. This is a couple of days later. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.760 This is not the same day. This is on Friday evening. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.720 She was a thirty five year old flight attendant and 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:36.440 she was found dead in her apartment after police responded 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.080 for a welfare check that her sister called in saying, hey, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.120 you know, I know she's a flight attendant and all, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.520 but no one knows where she is. Can you go 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.440 check on her a welfare check up? And they finally 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.360 found her and she was gone. Yes, very very sad. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.080 She was found in her bathroom with a bottle of 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.960 extra strength tile and all still open. On the counter 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:03.120 and she They looked into her receipts and found that 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.120 she had purchased it on Wednesday, September twenty ninth. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.800 That's right. So at the end of this very short 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.120 span of time in the Chicago area, we have seven 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.920 people dead, and I feel like that's a good time 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:16.840 to take a message break. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.440 Yeah, yeah, all right. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:27.480 Stop, you know, stop stop stopping here, shouldn't no, no, stop? 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.280 Okay, Chuck, So you said, Cyan, I how did you 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:44.640 know that? 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.840 Because I was eleven years old and I watched the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.200 nightly news, like all eleven year old stead He just 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:56.160 called it right, just me and broke off. Dan Rather yeah, Copple, yep. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:56.960 Who else? 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:57.560 That was it? 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:58.520 Peter Jennings. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.240 He came a little later, but sure was he? Yeah? Yeah, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:03.440 he came after somebody. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.359 Well, I mean, Cronkite wasn't still around, was he? Or 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.720 was he? I don't know. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.040 I don't think so. I was. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.840 I was kind of into the news as a kid 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:13.280 a little bit. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.280 Well, yeah, I mean that was that was where you 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:16.320 got your news back then. 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.960 Yeah, you would watch the evening news. It's very strange 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.600 to think about now, right with the up to the 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:22.679 minute news cycle. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.720 So, oh yeah, I know how much more innocent things 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:26.280 were back then. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:26.600 I know. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.520 So remove yourself from the benefit of hindsight or the 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.760 benefit of Dan Rather's insight, and put yourself in the 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.960 shoes of the people in Chicago. Right, Yeah, these are five. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:43.600 These are seven different deaths I think, from five different 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:48.600 townships in the greater Chicago area, including Chicago. Paula Prince, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:53.400 the last person to die, lived in Chicago. These people 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.880 aren't talking. These people have no idea what's going on. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.920 It's just that there were five, seven separate, baffling deaths. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.720 You keep saying five. You want to fewer people to be. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.480 Dead, Yeah, I do. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.080 That's good. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.919 My wishes aren't working though. It just so happens that 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.840 the ambulance, the paramedics that showed up to attend to 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.800 marry Mary Anne Kellerman, the first girl to die, they 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.480 were just logging everything because it was such a baffling thing, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.359 and they logged her tail in all. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.160 Yeah, logged isn't collected. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.520 Right, Yeah, took it as evidence to maybe look into 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.240 who knows sure, But they took the extra strength tile 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.320 and all that she had taken, not thinking anything of it, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.320 but just basically throwing anything at the wall to see 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:36.840 what stopped. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.520 Yeah, I'm sure the dad was like, you know, she 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:40.760 went in, took some tilan on, dropped dead, right, So 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.119 it probably made sense, even though it's just tilent All 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.439 to say like, well, hey, let's at least take this in. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.240 Yes, and that tilent all that right, you know, because 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.840 that bottle of tail and All made its way into 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:58.560 the hands of a medical examiner whose name was Michael Shaffer, 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.720 and Michael Shaeffer tested the tile in All and was 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:05.120 rather surprised to find that some of the capsules had 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.359 not tile in all in it, but sixty five milligrams 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.679 of potassium cyanide. Yeah, and it takes about fifty milligrams 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:13.879 to kill a healthy adult. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.840 Yeah, I mean some of them. I don't think they 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.720 were all exactly the same, but some of them had 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.840 been completely emptied of any aced of menifin and completely 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.000 filled with cyanide. 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:26.200 With cyanide right. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.320 Yeah, I mean it was someone intent on for sure 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:30.080 killing people. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.440 Yes, because cyanide is no joke. No, It's a really 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:40.240 really small molecule and it normally attaches to metals outside 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.120 of the body, which is why you have or minerals, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.600 I guess, which is why you have potassium cyanide right 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.040 when it goes into the body when you ingest it. However, 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.080 you ingest it, whether it's from a tile in all 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.480