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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond Contact.

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Speaker 3: We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discussed some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 4: speaking with Lisa Puzzo Strickland. Lisa is a speaker and

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Speaker 4: author who has been researching the science behind intuition. She

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Speaker 4: took an interest in quantum physics and began seeing direct

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Speaker 4: parallels between natural science and various parapsychological abilities, thus leading

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Speaker 4: her to acquire a doctorate of philosophy with an emphasis

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Speaker 4: in parapsychology. She has also a lifelong UFO enthusiast who

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Speaker 4: explores many areas including extraterrestrial life, biomimicry, AI, and the

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Speaker 4: disclosure of non human intelligence, which she says are all connected.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out today. Hey, Lisa, how you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me here today.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think I saw you last at contact in

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Speaker 4: the desert. I think I saw security escorting you out

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Speaker 4: of the building.

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Speaker 5: Is that Yeah, that's exactly right. It was the wine

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Speaker 5: bottles that got me, you know, the free wine sitting

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Speaker 4: I thought there was a reason, and I remember that

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Speaker 4: that's the last.

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Speaker 5: Vision of Christmas is coming up. You know, you got

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Speaker 5: to get your presence while you can't.

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Speaker 4: So listen. It's been very interesting how over the last

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Speaker 4: number of years in the UFO community we've really moved

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Speaker 4: towards many of these topics for what people now call,

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Speaker 4: you know, psi or psionics. What do you think about

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Well, I think it's long overdue.

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Speaker 5: The experiencers themselves, those who have been experiencing UAP or

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Speaker 5: known about the parapsychological component to the up phenomenon this

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Speaker 5: entire time. So to them, it's like preaching to the pope.

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Speaker 5: So I mean no disrespect to talk about it, but

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Speaker 5: it is absolutely a very integral part of the experienceience.

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Speaker 5: They feel missing time they levitate, they can telepathically communicate,

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Speaker 5: They come out of the experience more intuitive than they

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Speaker 5: It's long overdue that we're finally getting our scientists and

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Speaker 5: this very topic. I'm thrilled about it because the paranormal

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Speaker 5: isn't as fringe as one may think. Now that we're

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Speaker 4: I think that's very true. Actually, every little thing that

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Speaker 5: Oh, one hundred percent. Experiments have been going going on

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Speaker 5: That, absolutely the power of the mind has always affected

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Speaker 5: parapsychology is. So we have paranormal, which is para means beyond,

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Speaker 5: the paranormal parts of parapsychology, such as intuition, telepathy, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Those are tagged pi psi and that's where we get

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Speaker 5: It's all part of parapsychology. But when you open up

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Speaker 5: force behind the telepathy tapes, she's basically the expert. Those

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Speaker 4: How do you see these different parapsychological phenomena like you mentioned,

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Speaker 5: Well, experiencers have experienced telepathic communication directly with these nhi

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Speaker 5: And as we learn about parapsychology, as we become more open,

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Speaker 4: We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa, building on what you

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Speaker 5: Oh. Absolutely. Whatever we believe is what we see. Philosophy

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Speaker 5: it probably will. It's the Schroeder's cat analogy. The fact

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Speaker 5: Have you ever heard of Vic Tandy?

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Speaker 5: that fan system was vibrating at a nineteen hertz, which

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Speaker 4: nothing to this. And then when you realize that they're

430
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Speaker 4: not saying that we live inside a computer hard drive

431
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: somewhere in somebody's universe. It's just more of a set

432
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: of rules and a system that we operate within, which

433
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 4: is like a simulation that makes a lot of sense actually,

434
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: and it answers a lot of the questions, as Tom

435
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: Campbell says, it answers a lot of the things that

436
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 4: science has not been able to answer.

437
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: And it does answer intention. It answers manifestation. It answers

438
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 5: when you pray, maybe something will go more your way.

439
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 5: But everything has an answer right now. If I always

440
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: believe that you find the answers where you're looking. What

441
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: I mean by that is, if you're looking for guidance,

442
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 5: you can either meditate, or you can pray, you do

443
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: tarot cards or whatever, you're going to find your answer. Now,

444
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: take that thought and bridge it out to what we're

445
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 5: talking about here, which is a massive change to our reality.

446
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: Once we all get on board with the belief that

447
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 5: you ap are real. Now, no matter where you look,

448
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 5: you can look in the Bible. You can talk to

449
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 5: a scientist, you can look throughout history, you can talk

450
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 5: to an experiencer. You're going to get some form of

451
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: an answer from everywhere. Humans tend to be very pointed.

452
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: We want to look at one place, we believe one thing,

453
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 5: and that is going to be our source. We're also

454
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 5: very divisive as we go forward, as we're asking these questions,

455
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 5: both why and why not. The best thing we can

456
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,959
Speaker 5: do right now is look in as many places as

457
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 5: we possibly can.

458
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: But do you notice, well, now, humans, more than ever,

459
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: it seems we all look at the same set of data.

460
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: If we all look at the Bible, we will get

461
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: nine different interpretations that, yes, the person looking to see

462
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: validation that aliens are real, we'll see that in the Bible,

463
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: and a scientist will see wheels within wheels as a

464
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: physical craft, and a religious person would see that as

465
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: an angel's wings or whatever. We all have this interpretation

466
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: of it. I can't wait to see a thousand years

467
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: from now where we're at with all this stuff, because

468
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 4: it eventually sorts itself out. You can imagine these people

469
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 4: having these talks a long time ago. If you handed

470
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: an iPhone to a tribe separated from society. It was

471
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 4: so far past them that they can't even get their

472
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: head around it. I feel like a lot of these

473
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: things are that way to us right now.

474
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we're living in a cargo cult right now.

475
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard that term?

476
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: Of course, I know exactly what that is. Yeah.

477
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 5: Basically, when the Islanders were living on their island and

478
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: they were secluded from real life, and all of a

479
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: sudden there were military men and airplanes that were landing

480
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: on their island, they had never seen them before ever,

481
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: so they immediately thought of them as gods, just like

482
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: ancient ancient times when Uap and Nhi were landing on

483
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 5: the earth and they were helping man kind of move

484
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 5: about and learn a few things. Okay, they were considered gods.

485
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 5: It's all related. Right now, we're in that same mode.

486
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: We're in a cargo cult. We're seeing an occasional orb,

487
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 5: or we're seeing a jellyfish, or we're seeing something come

488
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 5: in and out of the water. Washington saw them on

489
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 5: the river. Different presidents have seen them. It's an ongoing occurrence.

490
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: And because we don't have all the answers, we're considering

491
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: all of these things so strange and unique, it's just life.

492
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 5: They've been underneath our nose this whole entire time. We're

493
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 5: all a part of it. And pretty soon as those

494
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: answers come, everything's going to start falling into place, and

495
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: we're going to realize how simple this all really is.

496
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 4: That is five thousand years away. I don't think we're

497
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 4: anywhere close to that. I mean, look at the technology

498
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: and how things are developing. Now. Did you see just

499
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: yesterday or the day before, Elon Musk came out and

500
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: said that by twenty thirty, not thirty thirty. By twenty thirty,

501
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: robots will be advanced enough to do things for us,

502
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 4: and that jobs will become optional. Everyone will have the

503
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 4: best medical care, food, home, transport, and everything else sustainable abundance.

504
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: I just can't even get my head around that there's

505
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: any chance that that's true.

506
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: We're all going to be like those people in Wally

507
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 5: that movie.

508
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, sitting eating, drinking the dapor ease with

509
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: our feet off and everything being done for us. But

510
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: if you would have said thirty thirty, I'd say, well,

511
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: you know, maybe twenty thirty. It's what four years from now?

512
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 5: There's no Yeah. And I also heard that by twenty thirty,

513
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 5: Wall have an average of five to ten robots in

514
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 5: every household.

515
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: What do you mean by robot? Is an eye? Robot?

516
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: Vacuum that I have over here is that considered one?

517
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 4: And the refrigerator that tells me what to order is

518
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: that another one? I mean? So, then then I would

519
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: believe that are you calling the iPhone of robot? You know?

520
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: And where's that line?

521
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: That's as long as someone's mowing the grass. I'm a

522
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: happy woman.

523
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm good.

524
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: Exactly. There you go. I'll take a quick break there, Lisa.

525
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 4: We'll come back, and Lisa says that she's convinced that

526
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 4: there's an et presence here on Earth and that we

527
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: are living in the age of disclosure. When we come back,

528
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: we'll find out why she feels that way about those

529
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: two things. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio

530
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are

531
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa,

532
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: you seem very convinced about the extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.

533
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: What makes you so convinced to that?

534
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: Well, I personally have never witnessed a UAP or nhi

535
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: is as long as I know of at least. So

536
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 5: when I was in grade school, I would sit there

537
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 5: at Faith Baptist Church and school, and I would hear

538
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 5: Bible stories in chapel and I would think to myself, Wow,

539
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: that kind of sounds more like an alien story than

540
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: a Biblical story, especially things like Joana and the whale

541
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: and talking about eyes and portals, and my brain just

542
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: already went there.

543
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: And you know, Vandanagan says the exact same thing.

544
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: Yeah he did. And actually we had that book in

545
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 5: our house growing up, and I'm sure that played a part.

546
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 5: And so when I would leave and go to my

547
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: little Baptist school, I read that as a very young girl.

548
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: I was probably pretty young for reading that, but then

549
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: going to my Baptist school and hearing those stories, it

550
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 5: all just kind of computed for me. It all just

551
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: made perfect sense. So I was that girl. When I

552
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 5: was living in Los Angeles, I was not standing in

553
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: a long line waiting to get into the roxy with

554
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: all the other girls in their twenties. I was running

555
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: home to catch X Files by eight o'clock with the takeout.

556
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: So I had a predisposition for it. Since I was

557
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: very very young, and then when I started learning about

558
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: it and making this a part of my repertoire, and

559
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: then I eventually got a PhD. In all of this,

560
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 5: my world opened up, and that's when I started meeting

561
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 5: people and hearing these real stories from everyone from Rear

562
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: Admiral Tim Galladett to Professor Gary Nolan at Stanford and

563
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 5: Eric Davis, who who is just an incredible physicist. It's

564
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: just really truly amazing. But it's been the honest encounters

565
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: from regular friends who have seen things. My mom and

566
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 5: uncle saw things over the hills of West Hills, California

567
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: that all played into it. I can't imagine a reality

568
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 5: of their only being life on Earth. That just seems

569
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: too small and too insignificant, especially when I do believe

570
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 5: in God and I believe that what he has created

571
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: is a lot more grand than we humans can actually

572
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 5: ever conceptualize.

573
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: I think it's very common to believe that there is

574
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: life out there. I think that's pretty much accepted. Even

575
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: scientific world seems to believe that the question is whether

576
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: or not they've come here.

577
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: I personally believe that they have. When you look at

578
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 5: the evidence, the evidence is stacked. We're still cifling through

579
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 5: a lot of that evidence to come up with concrete proof.

580
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: For instance, you just saw the hellfire missile hitting what

581
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 5: they dubbed a balloon at first, but whatever that was,

582
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: it was it was some sort of craft that was

583
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: flying that broke up into three or four parts, and

584
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 5: then to continue flying at the same exact high speed,

585
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 5: that to me is proof. I don't think that we

586
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: have to go far for that, but you know, we've

587
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: really come far in our disclosure. Disclosure has been happening

588
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 5: for decades. It is up on the those big Hollywood

589
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: screens for so long, and now.

590
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: It's all You've asked it, right, why do you think, Yeah,

591
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: you say that we're living in an age of disclosure?

592
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: Why do you think that that's happening? Because I think

593
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 4: if you ask the average person on the street, they

594
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: would say, no, there's what do you mean disclosure?

595
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 5: Well, it depends on whatever it is that you're tuned into.

596
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 5: Some people are very tuned into ecology and some are

597
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: really tuned into politics. And it's not necessarily a trendy subject,

598
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: but it is a very strongly growing subject. And look

599
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 5: at how everything has changed. It was just in Hollywood

600
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 5: screens and now it's Washington streets, it's in hallways, it's

601
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: in Congress. You know, we've taken it off of the

602
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: movie scripted and into a military skiff. It's expanding greatly,

603
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 5: So in terms of being everyday conversation, maybe it's not

604
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 5: there yet. I still get strange looks when I tell

605
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 5: people that I am into this UAP stuff, and they

606
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 5: don't understand why because it's not an everyday conversation. But

607
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 5: there was a time when the placement of the sun

608
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: was not everyday conversation, and eventually we figured out that,

609
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 5: you know, not everything revolves around the earth. You know,

610
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 5: we figured it out, and then it became everyday conversation.

611
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: It became a part of our textbooks. We're breaching into that.

612
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 5: We're just on the cusp of that. There are just

613
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 5: now courses and there's only one university that's offering a

614
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 5: bachelor's or a master's in this. We're just on the cusp.

615
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 5: So it's almost a little premature to be saying why,

616
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 5: because in fact, it's happening right in front of us

617
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 5: right now. We've never had the involvement from so many

618
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 5: different aspects of education and intelligence all involved at one time.

619
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: So ask me that question a year from now, and

620
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: I think we'll have even a much broader answer.

621
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: Than we want to answer this question. Do you see

622
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 4: official government big D disclosure as they call it, happening,

623
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 4: and if so, when do you see that happening.

624
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 5: I do not personally feel that there is ever going

625
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 5: to be a president standing at a podium saying yes,

626
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 5: they are here. I know a lot of people really

627
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: hope for that, A lot of people think it would

628
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 5: make things a lot easier. But wouldn't that unravel a lot.

629
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 5: I mean, once you start pulling back the bandiate, everybody's

630
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: going to start ripping things left and right, and it's

631
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: going to open up a complete can of worms in

632
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 5: terms of well, okay, uh, we're not satisfied with that answer.

633
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: Human beings are never satisfied. We want more. We want more,

634
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 5: they want to we want we want to create some

635
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: sort of form of information that we can all decide

636
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: to disagree with. You know, that's just what we do.

637
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 5: We're kind of funny that way. But I think it's

638
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 5: going to continue the way it is, maybe just at

639
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: a faster pace. And that's not just on us. I

640
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 5: think part of it's on the uap nhi.

641
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, I don't see big D disclosure happening

642
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: at all either. What do you think to hold up

643
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: and the reason for the secrecy would be then.

644
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 5: In the terms of the government military.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, whoever knows that this is a real phenomenon,

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Speaker 4: whoever holds these you know, physical proof, if they have craft,

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Speaker 4: if they have bodies, if they have you know whatever.

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Speaker 5: Well, they say a lot of it is because of

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Speaker 5: security secrets and you know, not wanting to share too

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Speaker 5: much intel between countries, et cetera. And the energy Yeah, possibly,

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Speaker 5: you know, you just like with everything, you've got to

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Speaker 5: follow the money. You know, who are the private companies

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Speaker 5: that have this technology already, that are already reverse engineering

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Speaker 5: it or have been for many years. What are they

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Speaker 5: gaining from this? What ties do they have with government?

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Speaker 5: Who are the lobbyists, where's the funding coming from? You know,

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Speaker 5: those are very intricate questions, you know, even military. How

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Speaker 5: is our military benefited from some of this reverse engineering?

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Speaker 5: What secrets do we want to let out and what

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Speaker 5: secrets do we not want to let out. That's a

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Speaker 5: big machine and that's a big ass to ask our

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Speaker 5: government or any government of the world to please disclose

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Speaker 5: this all at one time. I just don't see that

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Speaker 5: that happening right now. But always follow the money and

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Speaker 5: really watch the wording. Sometimes deep within the wording, they're

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Speaker 5: saying a lot more than they're saying. What the actual verbiage.

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Speaker 4: Got into the head? What do you think is at

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Speaker 4: the heart of the phenomenon? Physical craft, interdimensional, just manifestations

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Speaker 4: of consciousness? What do you think it is?

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Speaker 5: I think it's physical. I believe it's biological, and I

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Speaker 5: believe that we are all consciously connected, and as we

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Speaker 5: become more and more aware of that, those conscious connections

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Speaker 5: will strengthen, and hopefully, can I revert back to something

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Speaker 5: I said earlier, maybe we'll start to listen and be

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Speaker 5: a little kinder to each other and most certainly take

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Speaker 5: better care of our own earth.

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't that be nice? I would love to see all

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Speaker 4: of those things happen. I'm as skeptical of that as

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Speaker 4: I am about the disclosure, but let's pray hope that happens.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, Lisa, to a lot of fun. You

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Speaker 4: can find Lisa at Lisa Puzzo STRICKLANDPHD dot com. You

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Speaker 4: can find me at Captain ronnophd dot org. Also, I'm

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Speaker 4: available on Twitter and Instagram at CIITD underscore Captain Ron.

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Speaker 4: Stay connected by checking out contactindthdesert dot com. Stay open

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Speaker 4: minded and rational. Would we explore the unknown right here

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm