Speaker 1: Welcome to Dick. It happened here, a show that is
Speaker 1: currently taking place in the death abortion rights in the US.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not good um with me to talk
Speaker 1: about this is Sharne, Is Sophie, Is Garrison, and is
Speaker 1: Robert Evans And okay, so what one of one of
Speaker 1: the things that's been happening in the immediate wake of
Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court decision that has destroyed Review Wade
Speaker 1: is there's been a lot of discussion about the abortion
Speaker 1: rights movement in Mexico. And by discussion, I mean in
Speaker 1: sort of classical American fashion, people saw exactly one meme
Speaker 1: and reposted it and that's now the sum of like
Speaker 1: all American knowledge about the abortion struggle in Mexico. So
Speaker 1: to try to get a deeper understanding of what's been
Speaker 1: going on in Mexico and how the struggle for abortion
Speaker 1: was one there we're talking into Erica Yamada, who's a
Speaker 1: feminist and human rights activist born and raised in Mexico. Erica,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Chris sharing so Figarrison, and Robert.
Speaker 1: I'm so honored and excited to be here and very
Speaker 1: grateful to be considered to share about the struggle for
Speaker 1: abortion rights in Mexico. So before starting this discussion, I
Speaker 1: would like to share a little bit about myself and
Speaker 1: the organization I work in to have some background about
Speaker 1: the experiences and data I will be communicating in this space.
Speaker 1: UM I have been involved in many agendas for girls
Speaker 1: and women's rights for approximately eight years now. I am
Speaker 1: currently part of the Woman Delivered twenty class and I
Speaker 1: also work in the non governmental organization Gender Quality, Citizenship,
Speaker 1: Work and Family that has over twenty five years of
Speaker 1: experience working for sexual and reproductive rights in Mexico, particularly
Speaker 1: for the access to legal and safe abortion. Our organization
Speaker 1: promotes and advocate for the sexual and reproductive health and
Speaker 1: right of use through that they said that they set
Speaker 1: is the network for sexual and reproductive rights in Mexico
Speaker 1: that has presence in tolve states and we focus mainly
Speaker 1: on marginalized communities. We support children, use women, and advocate
Speaker 1: for change at local, regional, and national level and their
Speaker 1: access is contributing to the criminalize abortion, guarantee access to
Speaker 1: health services, and generate a favorable public opinion about women's
Speaker 1: right to decide. We are also part of the national
Speaker 1: co Choice Alliance in Mexico and effort of bi organizations,
Speaker 1: General Equality, the Population Council EPAS Central America, Catholics for
Speaker 1: the Right to Decide and heat it, each with different
Speaker 1: expertise regarding abortion. Together we have worked on comprehensive strategies
Speaker 1: that include the legal, the social, religious, ethical and investigation
Speaker 1: aspects of abortion and well. I would like to start
Speaker 1: up like sharing some of the context and the legal
Speaker 1: situation of abortion in Mexico if it's okay or or
Speaker 1: in our country, Voluntary abortion UH during the twelve weeks
Speaker 1: of pregnancy is legalized only in certain states. Mexico City,
Speaker 1: the capital, was the only state in the whole country
Speaker 1: that they criminalized abortion in two thousand seven. Twelve years later,
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, the state of of Wahaca became
Speaker 1: the second state twenty shure access to this health service. Afterwards,
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one was historic. It was a very
Speaker 1: very historic year. It was UH for states Evalue Vera,
Speaker 1: Cruz Bacca, California and Polyma also the criminalized abortion. Then
Speaker 1: this year two thousand twenty two, three other states have
Speaker 1: been added to this list, Sinaloa, Guerrero and California. This
Speaker 1: means nine out of thirty two states have the criminalized abortion.
Speaker 1: In the other aids of the Mexican Republic, abortion is
Speaker 1: only allowed under certain grounds established by the law of
Speaker 1: each entity. For example, if it was this contaneous abortion,
Speaker 1: if the pregnancy was due to non consensual insemination, if
Speaker 1: the woman's life is in danger of death, if the
Speaker 1: product pass serious genetic alterations, if the pregnancy causes health effects,
Speaker 1: among other reasons. It depends on each Plano code of
Speaker 1: each state. And I also must add that pregnancy due
Speaker 1: to rate is the only indication that permits legal abortion
Speaker 1: in all states. And now coming back to what Chris
Speaker 1: said that there was like a mean I think, uh,
Speaker 1: you refer to the name of the public protest. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the black clad female protesters attacking is it. I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1: I don't recall if it's a city hall or a
Speaker 1: police station or something. I have also seen some of
Speaker 1: these media reports that that they say that we achieve
Speaker 1: legal abortion thanks to these verdical public demonstrations, and well,
Speaker 1: it is undeniable that among the most significant achievements is
Speaker 1: the grow mobilization of feminists and women to eradicate violence
Speaker 1: and land justice Mexico. Mexico has demonstrated the world the
Speaker 1: revolutionary progress with the mass feminist protests and this image
Speaker 1: is from two thousand nineteen. It was a huge feminist
Speaker 1: protest that are condemned violence against women, especially sexual and
Speaker 1: feminist side violence, police brutality, and the in tunity that
Speaker 1: premiers the governmental system. We received a lot of international
Speaker 1: media attention and it has been one of the like
Speaker 1: the recent highlights of the feminist movement in our country.
Speaker 1: But like the struggle for abortion entails so much more.
Speaker 1: And yes it did have some influence. For example, in
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, feminists in two states, Quintana and Puebla,
Speaker 1: took their local congresses and demanded the discussion of abortion initiatives,
Speaker 1: and they have put this agenda on the table. It
Speaker 1: is worth mentioning that the struggle for abortion that it
Speaker 1: goes back so many years. Feminists have been fighting for
Speaker 1: reproductive rights, including the access to legal abortion for that.
Speaker 1: It's now the progress regarding this struggle has unfolded historically
Speaker 1: during these recent years. For many other reasons. One thing
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a little bit to
Speaker 1: talk about is you were talking about the protests being
Speaker 1: pro abortion protests but also talking about antifemicide and anti
Speaker 1: violent stuff. And I was wondering if you could talk
Speaker 1: about the antifemicide it campaigns too, because that's been a
Speaker 1: really big part of this that gets basically no coverage
Speaker 1: in the US. Well, in Mexico, eleven women are murdered
Speaker 1: every day. We have a huge femicide problem that has
Speaker 1: been silenced by the government, even by the president who
Speaker 1: minimizes this horrible situation. So in two thousand nineteen there
Speaker 1: was uh uh emblematic case where police officers m rape
Speaker 1: and tortured a girl and that's how this protest UH
Speaker 1: started And since all the two thousand nineteen, like most
Speaker 1: feminist protests, have been regarding the violence against women. But UH,
Speaker 1: I would also like to add about the struggle for abortion.
Speaker 1: I think that in the global cells, the mari the
Speaker 1: green type it played like the most fundamental roles. UH.
Speaker 1: This movement, which came from Argentina, is one of the
Speaker 1: main successes that strengthened the struggle for abortion rights and
Speaker 1: even the feminist movement in Mexico. It expanded in many
Speaker 1: countries including Mexico. Here we have a national Green Tide
Speaker 1: and many local Green type books in all of our states,
Speaker 1: and these collectives have played a large role demanding social
Speaker 1: and legal decriminalization of abortion across the country. And there
Speaker 1: is also an increase of networks that provides self managed
Speaker 1: abortion information and accompaniment services, which have contributed to fighting
Speaker 1: the stigma that still surrounds abortion. And the Green Tide
Speaker 1: and the feminist movement, it's it has become like how
Speaker 1: do you say it's been merged? Merge and like feminist
Speaker 1: movements and the Green Tide fight for legal and safe abortion,
Speaker 1: but also to radicate the violence against girls and women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes that makes sense. And about the Green Tide,
Speaker 1: I have two questions about the Green Tide. One is
Speaker 1: what kinds of tactics have Green Tide groups been doing?
Speaker 1: And also how how linked have the international movement has been?
Speaker 1: Like how how close how closely have these organizations been
Speaker 1: communicating across and working together across the different countries? Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: Since the Green Tide came from Argentina like the most
Speaker 1: how do you say that the communication comes from regional
Speaker 1: countries in Latin America and Mexico has been learning from
Speaker 1: those Latin American countries the experiences we have seen the
Speaker 1: feminist movements the protests also more in the South and
Speaker 1: the the green handkerchief has this very very powerful symbol
Speaker 1: of legal and safe abortion, and this have also contributed
Speaker 1: to the social beciminalization of abortion. And wearing the green
Speaker 1: handkerchiefs and in the protest also means demanding this health service.
Speaker 1: And one of our tactics is of course pressuring the
Speaker 1: government in Mexico. Political will, primarily from the left leaning
Speaker 1: ruling party, has been fundamental for for the becmmunalization. With
Speaker 1: the new government that I write in two thousand eighteen
Speaker 1: headed by Andreo, we have more allies and progressive legislators.
Speaker 1: So due to the majority uh that this political party
Speaker 1: has in many local converses, the feminists of each state
Speaker 1: have been able to pressure and work with these legislators
Speaker 1: and keep pushing this agenda. That's awesome. I think something
Speaker 1: that I'm still stuck on is that at the very
Speaker 1: least all the states agree that abortion is okay if
Speaker 1: it happened from from rape. Is that what you said earlier, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the one we we have a federal lot. It's
Speaker 1: the zero forty six met official Mexican norm that states
Speaker 1: that abortion is legal if the pregnancy is due to rape,
Speaker 1: and all the states, all the public officials have this
Speaker 1: obligation to to ensure that this that this happens. But sometimes, um,
Speaker 1: like we we have so many prejudices that sometimes even
Speaker 1: doctors don't respect the law. But by not it should
Speaker 1: be legal. And it's not that they all agree it's
Speaker 1: the it's thee Yeah, it's just so, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: definitely has its flaws and people with their own biases.
Speaker 1: But like here, usually the rapists will have more rights
Speaker 1: and protection than the person that got raped. Like there
Speaker 1: are the family is allowed to sue the person that
Speaker 1: got an abortion for example. It's it's insane, but so
Speaker 1: for then here, a lot of it, a lot of
Speaker 1: the biggest tree comes from like Christianity and religion. Is
Speaker 1: it the same, like is that the baseline for the
Speaker 1: opposition there too, Yes, because Mexico is a predominantly Catholic country,
Speaker 1: and abortion and sales many controversies due to the different
Speaker 1: positions that accome from this religious stands its stances that
Speaker 1: ignore and deny the access to this service and deny
Speaker 1: it's a human rights issue, and religious anti rights groups
Speaker 1: or how how do you say? Anti choice groups have
Speaker 1: a powerful presence and are actively hindering law proposals regarding
Speaker 1: this topic. The prejudices and stigma are present even amongst
Speaker 1: healthcare providers and sometimes uh the religious people. They pressure
Speaker 1: these healthcare providers, the legislators. For example, every time there
Speaker 1: is a line on local congress there are so many
Speaker 1: religious groups outside the congress. They are how do you say,
Speaker 1: like bothering the legislators. They even get their personal numbers,
Speaker 1: and they are harassing them. Yes, harassing is the word.
Speaker 1: They're harassing them. So yes, they have a lot of power,
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and these effects even the states
Speaker 1: where abortion is legal, because as I said before, sometimes
Speaker 1: doctors denied even if it's requested under the legal indication.
Speaker 1: So yes, it's a problem. I'm curious what you see
Speaker 1: as kind of the value of the street actions that
Speaker 1: were carried out as opposed to um kind of the
Speaker 1: the actual organization on the legislative side of things, Like
Speaker 1: what what degree do you think both contributed to, you know,
Speaker 1: the successes that you all have seen. I think both
Speaker 1: were very very important to the recent successes. The public
Speaker 1: demonstrations help the feminist movements strengthened like it is like yes,
Speaker 1: this recent protests have been the what do you say?
Speaker 1: It has been where the most women have gone out
Speaker 1: to the streets, taken the streets. And it has helped
Speaker 1: because the government has responded to some of our request.
Speaker 1: But also it is extremely important too to talk about
Speaker 1: the organization. And also, Uh, something I didn't mention and
Speaker 1: that I would like to emphasize is that in two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, the the Supreme Court of Justice in
Speaker 1: Mexico ruled favorably in four abortion related cases. And this
Speaker 1: provided us with with progressive jurisprudence and legal interpretations in
Speaker 1: favor of recognizing an increasing abortion right. So this has
Speaker 1: how do you say, this has served our movement and
Speaker 1: all the argumentation to push the decommunalizations. And well, about
Speaker 1: the four cases. In the first case, the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: declared that limitations to access legal abortion after it must
Speaker 1: be removed. In the second case, it declared that the
Speaker 1: absolute communalization of abortion with consent is unconstitutional. Uh. And
Speaker 1: in the third case is it declared that the protection
Speaker 1: of life from the moment of conception is unconstitutional. And
Speaker 1: in the fourth case, the court ruled that legislative reforms
Speaker 1: broadening the boundaries of conscientitions objection in the federal health
Speaker 1: law are unconstitutional. And the Supreme Court is the highest
Speaker 1: court of justice in Mexico and all judges should respect
Speaker 1: what they established. And well, unfortunately it doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: all states. And but it is like the most important
Speaker 1: president we we have right now, and it is fundamental
Speaker 1: for our argumentation in local congresses. Have has the national
Speaker 1: government anything at all to try to force the states
Speaker 1: who are like not following the rulings too, like except
Speaker 1: the rulings. No, because our president, uh he he is
Speaker 1: very neutral in this topic, and he has spoken against
Speaker 1: feminist movements and key thinks that any protest means like uh,
Speaker 1: conservators against his liberal government. So now we we don't
Speaker 1: have this this support from the national government, although assignmenttioned before,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of allies and in Mariny instances
Speaker 1: that have helped to pressure state state public officials too
Speaker 1: to respect the law and to keep pushing this agenda.
Speaker 1: Is the president I'm just curious, I'm ignorant that is
Speaker 1: the president? Like, well, how is he received by the
Speaker 1: general public, Like, what's people's like? Is he neutral? Because
Speaker 1: he needs a coward because there was one of the
Speaker 1: rockety votes. But what are what's the response for the public? Ah?
Speaker 1: He he still has a lot of support from from
Speaker 1: the majority. He he is one of the the first,
Speaker 1: how the same progressive presidents. Although we have been very
Speaker 1: disappointed by many of his actions, for instance the increase
Speaker 1: of militarization and the communalization of feminists, of human rights
Speaker 1: activists of jourmanities. However, it is the first time in
Speaker 1: so many years a president talks about for indigenous people
Speaker 1: that sends support to rural communities. So he still has
Speaker 1: a lot of support. HM. One thing that I don't
Speaker 1: know how much. I don't know how much you want
Speaker 1: to get into it. But UM we talked to some people,
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't remember how many months ago now,
Speaker 1: but we talked to some people a while back who
Speaker 1: were UM doing trans rights organizing in Mexico, and they
Speaker 1: were talking a lot about how UM that they were
Speaker 1: talking about how I guess like anti choice conservative groups
Speaker 1: have been using UM have been using sort of organized
Speaker 1: transphobic groups as a way to sort of differt attention
Speaker 1: away from the abortion struggle, in the femicide struggle into
Speaker 1: stuff that doesn't like challenge the status quo. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was wondering you just wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yes, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: talking about this transphobia and in the feminist movements is horrible.
Speaker 1: Like the Transforbaic feminists have been getting to conservative public officials,
Speaker 1: they have been approaching religious groups, and they have even
Speaker 1: affected the abortion agenda because some of our laws include
Speaker 1: people with the capacity to get pregnant. So these health
Speaker 1: services include ah, transpant and non binary people. But this
Speaker 1: Transforbaic feminists have been how do you say, obstaculizing? Is
Speaker 1: this struggle because of these prejudices, and it is very
Speaker 1: very sad. And some of are some of the main
Speaker 1: and most famous reference references in feminism have been citing
Speaker 1: this transphobic side. And yes, they are approaching to the
Speaker 1: ultra right, and they they have been hindering not only
Speaker 1: trans people's rights, but now women's rights. In Gentlemary, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think was it. I'm trying to remember off top
Speaker 1: of my head. I think that there was there was
Speaker 1: a picture that was going around that was some of
Speaker 1: the organizers from one of the like transphobic feminist collectives
Speaker 1: I like taking pictures with sleeping held around. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think it was sleeping held around. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't seen that. But there was
Speaker 1: a forums some weeks ago. It was a forum in
Speaker 1: the National Autonomous University of Mexico, and it was a
Speaker 1: feminist on discussion and most of the familists were so
Speaker 1: so famous in all Latin America started to say some
Speaker 1: transphobic points. So, yes, this anti rights movement is very
Speaker 1: present and in feminism. Yeah, I guess the other thing
Speaker 1: on that point that I was wondering is how have
Speaker 1: like pro trans feminists been sort of fighting back against
Speaker 1: these people. Has that been happening a lot? Uh, Well,
Speaker 1: we're trying, but it has been very, very difficult because
Speaker 1: literally there are transphobic people everywhere everywhere, I mean government
Speaker 1: and non governmental organizations and institutions, and the majority of
Speaker 1: the people are not all these says uh socially conscious
Speaker 1: about about trans right. So transport with people who have
Speaker 1: so much more power, but uh, sometimes we we denounce
Speaker 1: it in social media. We reported to two international organizations
Speaker 1: and like we have all the human rights narrative and
Speaker 1: argumentation in our favor, but it is difficult because there
Speaker 1: are so many trans transports everywhere. Um. We have also
Speaker 1: contacted international organizations to to publicly say that, for example,
Speaker 1: if you want to access a certain grant, you have
Speaker 1: to have an inclusive position. What other ways, uh? We
Speaker 1: like the trans movement has strengthened so much since two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen because in Mexico City, UM uh, the a
Speaker 1: lot to to recognize trans children and adolescents was pushed
Speaker 1: for the for the first time, like via the administrative way.
Speaker 1: So there has been how do you say, a commission
Speaker 1: of of trans organizations collectives. So I think that is
Speaker 1: the the most noteworthy progress. Yeah, I guess there. There's
Speaker 1: been a lot of people like looking to the green
Speaker 1: Tide and looking to U sort of the broader Latin
Speaker 1: American feminist movement for sort of inspiration and also for
Speaker 1: sort of tactical advice. And I was wondering what, like,
Speaker 1: what advice would you give people in the US who
Speaker 1: are coming into this fight now, and where would you
Speaker 1: send people to learn more stuff about it? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Some some key points I consider relevant is firstly the
Speaker 1: visibility of the pro choice agenda and the social ecommunization
Speaker 1: of abortion when we talk about Lettle abortion, we we
Speaker 1: have to emphasize a lot also on the social be communization.
Speaker 1: It is very important to work on strategies to to
Speaker 1: reduce statema and demonstrate that abortion is a common reproductive
Speaker 1: event that must be approached using gender perspective and the
Speaker 1: human rights framework. We we encourage public dissemination of the legal,
Speaker 1: medical and social information with with hard sustained data from
Speaker 1: international organizations that position abortion as a as a human
Speaker 1: right and an essential health service. And related to this
Speaker 1: first point, the narrative and argumentation, we have to focus
Speaker 1: um the access to say from legal abortion as a
Speaker 1: human rights issue, which means it's a governmental obligation to
Speaker 1: ensure access to this service. On our case Mexico as
Speaker 1: nationally and international commitments regarding growths and women's rights. And
Speaker 1: I'm pretty share the United States also has this commitments,
Speaker 1: so it's their obligation if the government's obligation too to
Speaker 1: ensure and also regarding their narrative, we have to work
Speaker 1: on naturalizing abortion and encourage people to stop using this
Speaker 1: word as a prime Abortion is a human right and
Speaker 1: it is a reproductive event in the life of women
Speaker 1: and people with a capacity to get pregnant, and it's
Speaker 1: a reproductive event that has always existed and will always exist,
Speaker 1: either naturally or induced. And some of the organ listations
Speaker 1: that I know of here that that can provide information
Speaker 1: are the Poor Choice Alliance, organizations, Catholics for the Right
Speaker 1: to Decide. They can give the religious and ethical arguments,
Speaker 1: um my organization Gender Quality. We have the social argumentations.
Speaker 1: We we are company and work with with the girls
Speaker 1: and women. We we are in twelve states and we
Speaker 1: are in the mobilizations. We are in the state on
Speaker 1: the local congress is also heated. Heated in Spanish is beautiful.
Speaker 1: The informer. They have all the legal expertise UH and
Speaker 1: they work this reforms and loss to the criminalized abortion.
Speaker 1: We have EPAS. EPAS it's an international organization and they
Speaker 1: are medical experts and they provide all types of data
Speaker 1: and information regarding this part and the Population Council. They
Speaker 1: are the experts on monitoring and investigation and they have
Speaker 1: many research papers and well there are also like other
Speaker 1: pages that that can give information for example about UH
Speaker 1: these their self induced abortion. The Health Organization has a protocol,
Speaker 1: it's a public protocol for for self induced abortion and
Speaker 1: it is completely safe to do it at home. Well,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate all the information. Uh yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, thank you so much. I think it's
Speaker 1: really helpful to hear, um what other countries have done
Speaker 1: in the same struggle. It's like so similar but different
Speaker 1: and the say at the same time, because we've dealt
Speaker 1: with the same similar things like turfs and religious like
Speaker 1: opposition and everything. So it's really helpful I think to
Speaker 1: see to realize, like, first of all, it is a
Speaker 1: basic human right, like it it's not even it's like
Speaker 1: internationally an issue. And then just to see how other
Speaker 1: people have organized is really important, I think, yes, And
Speaker 1: now I believe that we have like kind of a
Speaker 1: similar situation whether well, it's a situation of legal discrimination
Speaker 1: in which any women who live or have the resources
Speaker 1: to travel to the states that have been criminalized abortion
Speaker 1: can exercise the right who a voluntary legal interruption of
Speaker 1: their pregnancy? Am I right? Because I, like I don't
Speaker 1: know much about the situation in the United States, but
Speaker 1: I know that it is legal in some states, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: in some states. And then like in contrast to that,
Speaker 1: it's like illegal even in case of rape, and like
Speaker 1: the people that have been raped can be suited. It's
Speaker 1: like a very like up and down kind of balance. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's definitely both that exists, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where it becomes really hard to extinguish the bad side. Yes,
Speaker 1: part part of for struggle to be criminalized abortion in
Speaker 1: the other states is because woman who who live in
Speaker 1: poverty and marginalized conditions, who want to have an abortion
Speaker 1: but reside in other states where it's illegal, kind of
Speaker 1: do so under legal circumstances. So it's um also a
Speaker 1: class problem. It's yeah, it's a and also in Mexico
Speaker 1: there are some states that even criminalize us spontaneous abortion.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even induced and instead of calling an ambuments,
Speaker 1: some people called the cups when when a woman is
Speaker 1: dying because of a spontaneous abortion, so es and this
Speaker 1: has caused also a public health problem affecting girls and
Speaker 1: women in more vulnerable situations who live in the in
Speaker 1: the most restrictive context gurl and indigenous communities, also migrants,
Speaker 1: girls and women, victimslves of sexual abuse, women with disabilities,
Speaker 1: among others, and always, always, always the most vulnerable vulnerable
Speaker 1: women are more susceptible to get an unsafe contesting abortions,
Speaker 1: which can get to long infections, camorrhaging, u injury too,
Speaker 1: to internal organs and even that there are some places,
Speaker 1: like in communities where there is not even access to
Speaker 1: to internet or or through basic health services and m H,
Speaker 1: girls and women are still dying beto to unsafe abortions
Speaker 1: and they are like a hundred percent preventable death. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, you're even amazing. Um, but it's interesting because
Speaker 1: that's true. I think regardless of the country, the most
Speaker 1: vulnerable are the most affected. Whether it's I mean it's
Speaker 1: a class issue, it's a race issue, it's a disability issue,
Speaker 1: it's like all these things that I mean, rich people
Speaker 1: will get abortions either way, like privileged people will always
Speaker 1: have a route to take care of themselves. Um. So
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, it's unfortunate for seeing how
Speaker 1: like humans have functioned regardless of the country that they build. Yes,
Speaker 1: sad and criminalizing abortion does not reduce its butts they
Speaker 1: think that prohibiting it or like and it's practice, and
Speaker 1: it only increases the probabilities of decent safe procedures, and
Speaker 1: it increases the stigma and prejudices and lative in strength.
Speaker 1: This empty rights and choice troops. But when abortion is
Speaker 1: performed in a in a safe and important matter, it
Speaker 1: is even less risky uh than childbirth among other interventions.
Speaker 1: And US for example, it is much safer for for
Speaker 1: our goal to have an abortion than to what do
Speaker 1: you say, than to continue with with when the pregnancy
Speaker 1: is like threatening her life? Yes, ye, yes, Um, well
Speaker 1: that's why we have to keep fighting for people. I
Speaker 1: was really getting down there. Yes, and here in Mexico,
Speaker 1: like bills continue to be promoted in different states, we
Speaker 1: keep forming and strengthening alliances, and we have to strengthen
Speaker 1: these alliances with all types of sectors. Um. That's why
Speaker 1: the the alliance work, for example, because we there are
Speaker 1: the religious sectors that we work also with legislators, with doctors,
Speaker 1: health care providers, even in schools, and with the public general.
Speaker 1: So uh it is a collective effort and the collective commitment.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, very true. I have nothing to add.
Speaker 1: That's a good better than that. Um. So thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us, and I'm going to step
Speaker 1: away now. Thank you asually of course. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: guess uh, one last thing, well do you do you
Speaker 1: have anything else you want to say, and then be
Speaker 1: I where can people find you on the internet, like
Speaker 1: if they want to? And do you have other organizations
Speaker 1: and stuff do you want to promote? H. I'm like
Speaker 1: Erica Yamada. You know my social media and the organization
Speaker 1: I work in, it's e GIVA, the Gando Silvavania trava
Speaker 1: for I from Gilia. But the National Network for Reproductive
Speaker 1: Rights where we are in Trove States, it's called DATA
Speaker 1: said I like, it's B B, E, S E R.
Speaker 1: And you can find those uh and most of those
Speaker 1: states and we can provide information regarding abortion if you
Speaker 1: write to us. And also something I would like to
Speaker 1: say is that even after it's even nice, we must
Speaker 1: continue to to ensure that these abortion services are are
Speaker 1: you say, our implemented, and that they can reach to
Speaker 1: all girls, and that it must be guaranteed in paper
Speaker 1: and in practice. And yes, the emphasis in reaching the
Speaker 1: most underserved and vulnerable populations. Mm hmm all right, well, uh,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably going to do it for us today. Erica,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking. It's a wealth of information.
Speaker 1: It's really valuable. Thank you, thank you, yeah, and thank
Speaker 1: you all for listening. That's your episode for the day.
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