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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dick. It happened here, a show that is

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Speaker 1: currently taking place in the death abortion rights in the US.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's not good um with me to talk

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Speaker 1: about this is Sharne, Is Sophie, Is Garrison, and is

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans And okay, so what one of one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's been happening in the immediate wake of

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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court decision that has destroyed Review Wade

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Speaker 1: is there's been a lot of discussion about the abortion

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Speaker 1: rights movement in Mexico. And by discussion, I mean in

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Speaker 1: sort of classical American fashion, people saw exactly one meme

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Speaker 1: and reposted it and that's now the sum of like

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Speaker 1: all American knowledge about the abortion struggle in Mexico. So

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Speaker 1: to try to get a deeper understanding of what's been

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Speaker 1: going on in Mexico and how the struggle for abortion

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Speaker 1: was one there we're talking into Erica Yamada, who's a

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Speaker 1: feminist and human rights activist born and raised in Mexico. Erica,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Chris sharing so Figarrison, and Robert.

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Speaker 1: I'm so honored and excited to be here and very

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Speaker 1: grateful to be considered to share about the struggle for

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Speaker 1: abortion rights in Mexico. So before starting this discussion, I

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Speaker 1: would like to share a little bit about myself and

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Speaker 1: the organization I work in to have some background about

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Speaker 1: the experiences and data I will be communicating in this space.

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Speaker 1: UM I have been involved in many agendas for girls

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Speaker 1: and women's rights for approximately eight years now. I am

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Speaker 1: currently part of the Woman Delivered twenty class and I

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Speaker 1: also work in the non governmental organization Gender Quality, Citizenship,

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Speaker 1: Work and Family that has over twenty five years of

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Speaker 1: experience working for sexual and reproductive rights in Mexico, particularly

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Speaker 1: for the access to legal and safe abortion. Our organization

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Speaker 1: promotes and advocate for the sexual and reproductive health and

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Speaker 1: right of use through that they said that they set

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Speaker 1: is the network for sexual and reproductive rights in Mexico

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Speaker 1: that has presence in tolve states and we focus mainly

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Speaker 1: on marginalized communities. We support children, use women, and advocate

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Speaker 1: for change at local, regional, and national level and their

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Speaker 1: access is contributing to the criminalize abortion, guarantee access to

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Speaker 1: health services, and generate a favorable public opinion about women's

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Speaker 1: right to decide. We are also part of the national

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Speaker 1: co Choice Alliance in Mexico and effort of bi organizations,

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Speaker 1: General Equality, the Population Council EPAS Central America, Catholics for

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Speaker 1: the Right to Decide and heat it, each with different

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Speaker 1: expertise regarding abortion. Together we have worked on comprehensive strategies

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Speaker 1: that include the legal, the social, religious, ethical and investigation

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Speaker 1: aspects of abortion and well. I would like to start

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Speaker 1: up like sharing some of the context and the legal

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Speaker 1: situation of abortion in Mexico if it's okay or or

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Speaker 1: in our country, Voluntary abortion UH during the twelve weeks

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Speaker 1: of pregnancy is legalized only in certain states. Mexico City,

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Speaker 1: the capital, was the only state in the whole country

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Speaker 1: that they criminalized abortion in two thousand seven. Twelve years later,

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Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, the state of of Wahaca became

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Speaker 1: the second state twenty shure access to this health service. Afterwards,

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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one was historic. It was a very

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Speaker 1: very historic year. It was UH for states Evalue Vera,

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Speaker 1: Cruz Bacca, California and Polyma also the criminalized abortion. Then

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Speaker 1: this year two thousand twenty two, three other states have

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Speaker 1: been added to this list, Sinaloa, Guerrero and California. This

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Speaker 1: means nine out of thirty two states have the criminalized abortion.

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Speaker 1: In the other aids of the Mexican Republic, abortion is

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Speaker 1: only allowed under certain grounds established by the law of

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Speaker 1: each entity. For example, if it was this contaneous abortion,

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Speaker 1: if the pregnancy was due to non consensual insemination, if

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Speaker 1: the woman's life is in danger of death, if the

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Speaker 1: product pass serious genetic alterations, if the pregnancy causes health effects,

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Speaker 1: among other reasons. It depends on each Plano code of

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Speaker 1: each state. And I also must add that pregnancy due

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Speaker 1: in all states. And now coming back to what Chris

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Speaker 1: the black clad female protesters attacking is it. I couldn't tell.

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Speaker 1: these media reports that that they say that we achieve

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Speaker 1: legal abortion thanks to these verdical public demonstrations, and well,

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Speaker 1: it is undeniable that among the most significant achievements is

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Speaker 1: revolutionary progress with the mass feminist protests and this image

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Speaker 1: is from two thousand nineteen. It was a huge feminist

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Speaker 1: protest that are condemned violence against women, especially sexual and

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Speaker 1: feminist side violence, police brutality, and the in tunity that

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Speaker 1: premiers the governmental system. We received a lot of international

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Speaker 1: But like the struggle for abortion entails so much more.

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Speaker 1: And yes it did have some influence. For example, in

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Speaker 1: is worth mentioning that the struggle for abortion that it

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Speaker 1: goes back so many years. Feminists have been fighting for

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Speaker 1: reproductive rights, including the access to legal abortion for that.

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Speaker 1: It's now the progress regarding this struggle has unfolded historically

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Speaker 1: during these recent years. For many other reasons. One thing

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Speaker 1: pro abortion protests but also talking about antifemicide and anti

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Speaker 1: about the antifemicide it campaigns too, because that's been a

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Speaker 1: in the US. Well, in Mexico, eleven women are murdered

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Speaker 1: every day. We have a huge femicide problem that has

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Speaker 1: feminist protests, have been regarding the violence against women. But UH,

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Speaker 1: I would also like to add about the struggle for abortion.

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Speaker 1: I think that in the global cells, the mari the

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Speaker 1: green type it played like the most fundamental roles. UH.

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Speaker 1: This movement, which came from Argentina, is one of the

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Speaker 1: main successes that strengthened the struggle for abortion rights and

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Speaker 1: even the feminist movement in Mexico. It expanded in many

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Speaker 1: and these collectives have played a large role demanding social

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Speaker 1: is also an increase of networks that provides self managed

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Speaker 1: abortion information and accompaniment services, which have contributed to fighting

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Speaker 1: the stigma that still surrounds abortion. And the Green Tide

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Speaker 1: do you say it's been merged? Merge and like feminist

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Speaker 1: movements and the Green Tide fight for legal and safe abortion,

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Speaker 1: but also to radicate the violence against girls and women. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes that makes sense. And about the Green Tide,

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Speaker 1: And also how how linked have the international movement has been?

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Speaker 1: Like how how close how closely have these organizations been

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Speaker 1: Since the Green Tide came from Argentina like the most

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Speaker 1: countries in Latin America and Mexico has been learning from

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Speaker 1: the the green handkerchief has this very very powerful symbol

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Speaker 1: to the social beciminalization of abortion. And wearing the green

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Speaker 1: handkerchiefs and in the protest also means demanding this health service.

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Speaker 1: And one of our tactics is of course pressuring the

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Speaker 1: government in Mexico. Political will, primarily from the left leaning

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Speaker 1: ruling party, has been fundamental for for the becmmunalization. With

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Speaker 1: the new government that I write in two thousand eighteen

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Speaker 1: headed by Andreo, we have more allies and progressive legislators.

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Speaker 1: So due to the majority uh that this political party

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Speaker 1: have been able to pressure and work with these legislators

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Speaker 1: and keep pushing this agenda. That's awesome. I think something

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Speaker 1: that I'm still stuck on is that at the very

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Speaker 1: it happened from from rape. Is that what you said earlier, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the one we we have a federal lot. It's

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Speaker 1: the zero forty six met official Mexican norm that states

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Speaker 1: that abortion is legal if the pregnancy is due to rape,

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Speaker 1: and all the states, all the public officials have this

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Speaker 1: obligation to to ensure that this that this happens. But sometimes, um,

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Speaker 1: like we we have so many prejudices that sometimes even

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Speaker 1: be legal. And it's not that they all agree it's

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Speaker 1: But like here, usually the rapists will have more rights

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Speaker 1: and protection than the person that got raped. Like there

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Speaker 1: for then here, a lot of it, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the biggest tree comes from like Christianity and religion. Is

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Speaker 1: opposition there too, Yes, because Mexico is a predominantly Catholic country,

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Speaker 1: it's a human rights issue, and religious anti rights groups

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Speaker 1: and they are harassing them. Yes, harassing is the word.

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Speaker 1: They're harassing them. So yes, they have a lot of power,

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Speaker 1: So yes, it's a problem. I'm curious what you see

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Speaker 1: the actual organization on the legislative side of things, Like

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Speaker 1: what what degree do you think both contributed to, you know,

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Speaker 1: the successes that you all have seen. I think both

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Speaker 1: this recent protests have been the what do you say?

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Speaker 1: It has been where the most women have gone out

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Speaker 1: to the streets, taken the streets. And it has helped

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Speaker 1: because the government has responded to some of our request.

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Speaker 1: But also it is extremely important too to talk about

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Speaker 1: the organization. And also, Uh, something I didn't mention and

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Speaker 1: that I would like to emphasize is that in two

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Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, the the Supreme Court of Justice in

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Speaker 1: Mexico ruled favorably in four abortion related cases. And this

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Speaker 1: provided us with with progressive jurisprudence and legal interpretations in

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Speaker 1: favor of recognizing an increasing abortion right. So this has

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Speaker 1: how do you say, this has served our movement and

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Speaker 1: all the argumentation to push the decommunalizations. And well, about

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Speaker 1: the four cases. In the first case, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: be removed. In the second case, it declared that the

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Speaker 1: absolute communalization of abortion with consent is unconstitutional. Uh. And

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