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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head Hours at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brovis,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Well, well, well here we

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Speaker 1: are finally back together again as we approach the NFL's

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Speaker 1: new year, and there's so much to talk about on

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. A couple of gentlemen here, just back from

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Speaker 1: the scouting combine in Indianapolis a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: That would be when Brian brought us alot. Brian, Hello, Sir, Happy, Moddy, Grod.

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Speaker 1: Everybody out right there? Fat Tuesday going on here. Key,

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Speaker 1: we're in the Purple. Appreciate about that. Thank you. There

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Speaker 1: you go. Rob Phillips was in India as well. Hello Rob, Hello, Bill,

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Speaker 1: good to see you again. Good to see you. And

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Speaker 1: the old gray Beard is here as well. Mickey Spagnola,

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Speaker 1: who's back from the mountains. You were in the mountains? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where'd you go? Colorado? All right? Very good? Got out

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Speaker 1: grows this beard this time every year because he goes

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Speaker 1: skiing every offseason, and every year we tell him you

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Speaker 1: why do you shave it off? Does I get tired

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Speaker 1: to go? That sounds good, Ran, You're in ly today,

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Speaker 1: You're in every day shaver, right. I have to. I

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like I'm not like Mickey or Rob

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Speaker 1: Hop Scotch mode today, all right? So we are back

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Speaker 1: together after that. This is for the first time in

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Speaker 1: about three weeks. I guess, I think so that we've

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Speaker 1: condemed all right, where in the world do you want

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Speaker 1: All right? A lot of difference. Um, okay, obviously we've

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Speaker 1: just wrap up your weekend in Indianapolis and what you

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Speaker 1: saw out this out in Combine, Well, it was you know,

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Speaker 1: end on your list of priorities. Oh, I think it's

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Speaker 1: right up there. And I think it's been up there

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Speaker 1: for me for three years now. Oh. I mean I

430
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Speaker 1: saw I thought that they were ill prepared for a

431
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Speaker 1: I mean we didn't know year to year win Witton

432
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Speaker 1: was going to call it quits. Yeah, and I thought

433
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Speaker 1: it was. I thought they needed to have a tight

434
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Speaker 1: end who they were grooming to be the air apparent whatever,

435
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: and and that Whitton could help mentor along. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's even two years ago, has it been three years

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Speaker 1: of slippage, and I'm not I'm not. I'm not talking

438
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Speaker 1: so much about the Witten's play as in but more

439
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Speaker 1: so when once he reaches thirty four, thirty five years old,

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Speaker 1: you he's not gonna play much longer. Yeah, you know

441
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Speaker 1: he's playing now, right, Yeah, but even at thirty seven, Um,

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Speaker 1: even if he's playing a lot, I mean, it's more

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Speaker 1: imperative than ever right now that you get. But doesn't

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Speaker 1: to use a two tight information. I think they forced

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447
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448
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Speaker 1: weren't good enough due Now, I'm not saying Witton comes

449
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Speaker 1: no question, James Hannah. Because Escobar wasn't ready to take

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457
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Speaker 1: guys watch that? Not at all a little bit. I should,

459
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Speaker 1: but I don't. You know what it tells me that

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Speaker 1: You can only rush five guys in the league too,

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Speaker 1: long John. Very good Bill. All right, um, have we

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Speaker 1: discussed all of witton that we need to discuss things?

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: So something to clean up there. Okay, Nicky thinks he's

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Speaker 1: playing twenty five percent of the plays. That's okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: just having fun with you. You know that I'm about thirty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirty would be what percentage of the plays do you

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Speaker 1: expect to Marcus Lawrence to play? Gosh, don't let this

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Speaker 1: thing go any longer than it has to please. Um.

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00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: You know what I think is going on? What I

540
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: think we have aged collusion going on? What does that mean?

541
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: None of these other defensive ends pass rushers, they all

542
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: got tagged, didn't they. Javadian Clowney, Yeah, d Ford, who's

543
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Speaker 1: the other guy who wrote down Frank Clark Seattle and

544
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Speaker 1: even the defensive tackle at Atlanta, Grady Jarrett j All

545
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: these guys got tagged. And I think from an agent

546
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Speaker 1: stamp point, no one wants to be the first guy

547
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Speaker 1: out there to set the market value because if the

548
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Speaker 1: next guy signs for more than his guy signed and

549
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Speaker 1: they're all about the same age, I think there's a

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Speaker 1: race to try and get this done first. Though, if

551
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Speaker 1: you're a team, you don't want Clowney or something like

552
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: that set the market value. Yeah yeah, but from a

553
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Speaker 1: team stamp point, I agree with you. But from an

554
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Speaker 1: agent stamp point, no one wants to be the first

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Speaker 1: one to put his toad's water. That's interesting, But in

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Speaker 1: a way it hasn't the market already been set when

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00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack got hold on, hold on, you know what

558
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: muddied the waters. Daniel Hunter. Daniel Hunter, the Minnesota Ike's

559
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: at eighty million, signing a five year, seventy two million

560
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: dollars deal, forty million guarantee last year. This starts this year. Yeah,

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: but it starts this year. Was last year, right, he

562
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: signed it in the offseason, but he was still played

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Speaker 1: last year on the fourth year of his last year,

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00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: last service contract. So it kicks in this year five years,

565
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: seventy two million, forty million guaranteed, while Khalil Max was

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Speaker 1: six years, one hundred and forty one million, ninety million guaranteed.

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00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: So you've got a forty million guarantee on a guy

568
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Speaker 1: who has the same numbers in his first sixty four

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Speaker 1: games in his career that DeMarcus Lawrence had or has

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Speaker 1: in his first sixty four games. And it's affected slightly better.

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Speaker 1: But and so you know, the Cowboys are working from

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: off that contract and d law is working off the

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Speaker 1: Khalil mac contract. Now how do they meet That's I

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Speaker 1: wasn't saying Mick that the next deal is going to

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Speaker 1: exceed mac Max the ceiling. Yeah, it's where to Bill's point,

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Speaker 1: how far do you come under that? Because he's the

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Speaker 1: best pass rusher in the league, he's the best defensive

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Speaker 1: player in the league, and he's the best one out

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Speaker 1: there in free agency right now, and that the Rams

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Speaker 1: would disagree with you on that well as far as

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Speaker 1: edge rushers. Yeah, yeah, you're right. So I'm just not Donald,

582
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: You're right, but the biggest contract of a defensive player.

583
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: This is the problem. Though. Let's not again, I'm not

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Speaker 1: busting on everybody here. I'm just saying these deals are

585
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: not about ceilings and floors, you know it. People think that, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you have the parameters, go do it. That's what It's

587
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Speaker 1: really not. All you have to project further into the future.

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Speaker 1: You have to look at you have to look at

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Speaker 1: your own team. You know. I challenge any team to

590
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Speaker 1: have the number of contracts of quality players that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have coming up next year, right, I mean, seriously,

592
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: they have done such a great job of drafting players.

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00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: Now it's come and do and and so you know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's like, you know, and I know on Twitter, I

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Speaker 1: I you know, I know Mickey is adverse to Twitter

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Speaker 1: at times, and I don't blame him for that, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though everybody's like, you've got this, You've

598
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Speaker 1: got this, make the deal, it's not that simple, It

599
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Speaker 1: really isn't. They have to think about other pieces in

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Speaker 1: place too for their team. And and there's another kind

601
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Speaker 1: of uh factor in there when you mentioned next year, Yes,

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00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: all the guys that they have, it's also the final

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Speaker 1: year of the CBA. Yeah, And there's some other get ready,

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Speaker 1: we might not all be working. There's some other asterisks

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Speaker 1: in there on what the what you can do in

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00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: the last year uncapped CBA it's it's it's not uncapped

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00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: this year, but there's some rule, right, and and what

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00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: you can do with uh uh yearly annual salary. Right.

609
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things to think about, not

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Speaker 1: just this year, but what's going to happen next year. This,

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Speaker 1: This is this is not easy, pretty complicated. This is

612
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: not easy to do for either side. You know, this

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Speaker 1: is not easy for the agent side because again, like

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Speaker 1: Mickey brought up, you do not want to create a

615
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Speaker 1: bad deal. You you know, you do not want to

616
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Speaker 1: you do not want to set the market and someone go,

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Speaker 1: you only got you only got my guy, You only

618
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Speaker 1: got me this, and that guy got this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just as good as you know that didn't We go

620
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Speaker 1: through this with with Dez Bryant Bryan. It's the same

621
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Speaker 1: thing all right now the injury thing to his shoulder though,

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Speaker 1: See that's the other thing that's the big and to

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Speaker 1: your point, they also they can't want this to drag

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Speaker 1: out like the Dez thing because Des didn't need surgery.

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00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: And on top that, yeah, does skipped the entire offseason.

626
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: I think it affected him going into the season. No,

627
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: I absolutely now, now Lawrence is probably gonna miss most

628
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: of the offseason anyway. When he does, it's a surgery,

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Speaker 1: So that's it's a little bit of a moot point.

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Speaker 1: But you want to get that done and you want

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Speaker 1: to have him ready for training. But do you cave

632
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Speaker 1: into an agent, No, you're doublding you hostage? No, because

633
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Speaker 1: I think at this point we don't with with Randy

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Speaker 1: Gregory indefinitely suspended them knowing that David Irving's not coming back.

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Speaker 1: I'm guarantee you his guy can't sitting there going huh okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking you hostage I'm speaking more Sorry, Brian, we

637
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Speaker 1: did a mailback question on this morning. I'm speaking more

638
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: of the fans. We got a question that was like,

639
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: why are they willing to just wait this out? I

640
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: think they want to get a deal done. Absolutely, they

641
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: want to get this done so they could do business. Yes,

642
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: so what if he's guys asking for twenty five millionaire?

643
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: That's that's what we don't know. That's what we don't know.

644
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm trying to tell everybody out there, Oh,

645
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: you think there's a ceiling and there's a floor. Now,

646
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: you don't know what the eight We don't know what

647
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have offered. The Cowboys might have offered twenty

648
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: three million dollars and the agent said no. And that's

649
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: what that's what held up last year. They weren't intent

650
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: on making him play on the franchise tag, but when

651
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: they found out what their guy was asking, yeah, it

652
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're not even in the same universe.

653
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Where does he rank on

654
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: the on the on the players on the team. Where

655
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: would you put him as as far as importance? And

656
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the locker room stuff, and

657
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about as a player, he's right up there.

658
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Is he more important in the quarterback now? But but

659
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: he's he's more important than the runner. Now? Is he

660
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: more important than the wide receiver, the wide receiver, the

661
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: rad receiver is I think in the it's in the

662
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: right receivers in the same ballpark. Okay, because if you

663
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: think about it, get your fastball day, Mickey. I appreciate

664
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: you if you think about it that the Cowboys need

665
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: that wide receiver, right yeah? And if you think about defensively,

666
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: who's your next best? I mean, I understand vander esh

667
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about that. But this guy,

668
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: you don't have any alternatives to him, no question, more

669
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: important than the perennial Pro Bowl right guard. He's the

670
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: most deep important defensive player they got. I'll put it

671
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: like that, and then you can you can put whatever's

672
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: top five then yeah, with four of them being offensive players,

673
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: I'd put dak Zeke and then you can I can

674
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: have a discussion on anybody else. I mean, he might

675
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: be third for me. I mean, how how long have

676
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: they been waiting for that war Daddy pass Rusher that

677
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about? And now Randy Gregory's second on the

678
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: team in sacks. Who knows when he's reinstated. He wrote

679
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: about Taco today in Star Evaluation. Yeah about that, hold

680
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: your breath, Taco might be you're starting right in right now? Yeah,

681
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: all right, Crawford at the well, I was going to

682
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: ask you, what's Tyron Crawford's best position? I think playing

683
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: I think played right defensive in the best spot. Okay,

684
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: I really do. And in the scheme it is so

685
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at, what you're getting at is okay.

686
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: If they don't have DeMarcus Lawrence, what do they have

687
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: a defensive end? Or you get armstrong Taco Charlton, Tyrone Crawford,

688
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: whoever you draft, whoever you might sign. How do the

689
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys handle this? Right now? They've okay, they've tendered twenty

690
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars franchise tag. They have, all right,

691
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: that's half Marcus Marcus basically all right? How do they

692
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: handle it if DeMarcus does not sign the tag as

693
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's not going to right now and

694
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: he's not going to have the surgery right now? How

695
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: do they handle it? As free agency approaches, as this

696
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: offseason happens, now, can I you say free agency? Can

697
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: I interest you in trade? Well, that's part of it.

698
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Can I interest you? And maybe you know, with a

699
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: deep defensive line group, can maybe interest you? And and

700
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 1: if if you don't feel like you can make any

701
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: progress and and I'm not saying that he made a

702
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: trade for a draft pick, yes, okay, yeah, all right?

703
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: And here's and I'm not saying you're gonna get two ones.

704
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you get one in the three. Maybe you know

705
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: what did the Patriots get for Chandler Jones three years ago?

706
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: Did you write it down? Because I'm terrible at remember

707
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I played? Okay, what did you get for Chanda yesterday? Okay?

708
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: And okay, folks, we're just talking. This is a radio

709
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: show stock exactly. We're not proposing this. Yeah, it's just

710
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: taught us. Is just how the Patriots handled this situation

711
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: three years ago, exactly. And all right, because basically upstairs,

712
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: they've got to look at all parameter if he's not

713
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: going to sign this tender, Okay, they've got to look

714
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: at we can't be They've got a lot going on, Mickey.

715
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: Mickey spelled it out for what's gonna happen to twenty twenty? Right,

716
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: So what the Patriots did they they Chandler Jones was

717
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: at this point point, okay, and they wound up trading

718
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: him to the Arizona Cardinals, and they got a second

719
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: round pick and Jonathan Cooper in return and recalled. Jonathan

720
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: Cooper was a former first round draft pick who had busted,

721
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and he busted with the Patriots too, and of course

722
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: wound up here rightly. But so that's what they did,

723
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: and Chandler Jones goes to Arizona and he's had three

724
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: terrific years, including seventeen sacks one season. Yes, I mean

725
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: he's been he's played lights out better than he did

726
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. But as far as stats go, right, Okay,

727
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: what's happened with Arizona the last three years? Team is yeah?

728
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean they were in the conference championship game the

729
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: year before, right, and they've gone down the tubes. What

730
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: are the Patriots done here the last three years? Now?

731
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: They've got Belichick, they've got Brady whatever. But this is

732
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: how they handled that situation. And this is the way

733
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: the Patriots due business. You don't see them paying big

734
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: bucks to any of their edge rushers, not at all.

735
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: What they did that year in twenty sixteen is they

736
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: used that money that would have gone to Chandler Jones.

737
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: They signed Chris Hogan as a restricted free agent from

738
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo and he contributed for him. They signed Chris Long

739
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent at a bottom, you know,

740
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: bottom of the barrel price tag, like two and a

741
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: half million dollars like the human log right and the

742
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: log move right. Yeah, and so they may do, and

743
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: they wound up winning the Super Bowl there here, right,

744
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, But but anyway, I think the Cowboys have

745
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: to now if he's not going to sign this tender,

746
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: they got to look at all options in free agency

747
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: and what and what they can do as far as

748
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: the tag is concerned. Either they can if they like, like,

749
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: if they see a guy in free agency, let's say,

750
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: just throw a name out there. And there's not much

751
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: out there really as far as edge rushers, I don't think, right.

752
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Trey Flowers is one of the guys in

753
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots. But let's say Trey Flowers, who's not DeMarcus

754
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence in your mind, but he will sign for you know,

755
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: half of what they're offering Lawrence. Okay, they could even

756
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: just in the tag and Lawrence can become a free

757
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: agent and they can sure you don't take care of

758
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: their protection. It protects the guy with the rams Dante

759
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Fowler fer he's a free agent. Yeah yeah, I don't

760
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, can you get three of those

761
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: guys for the price that you'd be paying Lawrence or

762
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: we sound like we're trying to like receiver by committee

763
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: again exactly doing another no, no, another positions. But but

764
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: but to Bill, to Bill's point, have to consider you

765
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: have to consider it because if if he's not, if

766
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: he has no intention of science, look at the situation

767
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's in right now with there. I know they got

768
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: Connor and stuff like that, but you know they had

769
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: to go through that whole year of just dealing with

770
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: that and I and and again. The one thing that

771
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: is different about Lawrence is, as these other edge rushers,

772
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: he plays the run. He plays run about him and

773
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, and he's been great in the locker room.

774
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: His teammates love him. You know, he gets along with

775
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: everybody in the locker room. It's not you know, it's

776
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: just not you know what you have. But the thing

777
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: about it is, though, is it going to be And

778
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, the Cowboys might be

779
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: offering top money, and his agent is saying, wait a minute.

780
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: He rushes the pastor, he plays the run, he's great

781
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and you want to pay him

782
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking this, and that's where And even though

783
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: that's where it might be just too much, because you've

784
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: got other things. You cannot handy cap your team, you

785
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: cannot hamstring whatever you want to do, whatever word you

786
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: want to use. You have to think about your team

787
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: going forward. And there's a wrench in your trade idea,

788
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: the shoulder. Who's gonna give you exactly market price for

789
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: a guy? That's why that's why he said the second

790
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: round pick. Well, that's why I'm also throwing out there.

791
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: If you you got to talk to all of these

792
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: edge rushers and you got to figure out, okay, can

793
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: I get two or three of these guys? Yeah, okay,

794
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: and use the rotation process for the same amount of

795
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: money that I would be ok yeah, you know, or

796
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: less committee and I want no more committees. And what

797
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: they with ear Old Thomas, you mean, well, you know what,

798
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: that's another story, because it's okay if he wants to

799
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: be the highest paid guy in the league. But but

800
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: but but we've had this discussion on this show about

801
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: earld Thomas, Mickey and I. We've all come up with

802
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: numbers two years guarantee. If that's not good enough for

803
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: old Thomas, I can't play with you. I'm sorry because

804
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. It was you know, if you

805
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: if you know, if you want to go back and

806
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: look at yourself, you should say, okay, we should have

807
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: given up the second round pick instead of picking Connor

808
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: wives that damn, that's on us. But if but they

809
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: didn't want the same but they didn't, well no, no,

810
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: that's what they all saying. But Seattle came back and said, hey,

811
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: would they want it first? Yeah? But if you if

812
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: you look at the situation I I have, I have

813
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: parameters on that position, on the safety if I had

814
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: years and I had money, And if it's not good enough,

815
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: I can't play with you anymore. I'm sorry. If you

816
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: don't get what you want and you're going to come

817
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: back hat in hand, I'll listen, But I don't have

818
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with a contract right now. I've got a

819
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: guy that doesn't want to play for me, and you've

820
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: got a budget, your quarterback, you're running back your wide receiver.

821
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: There's you're another corner corner and Stephen Jones. Remember Rob

822
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: even told us he goes, I realize what's going on

823
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: at corner. In twenty twenty, Anthony Brown, he's also got

824
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: a woozier. He's got he's got all his all his corners.

825
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: That's a sneaky need position for the Cowboys. By the way,

826
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm near the whole secondaries. An eye on corners, Yeah,

827
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: an eye on cornerbacks, sir, spent a lot of time

828
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: with that Houston, the Houston kid, Mickey, the University of

829
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: Houston kid. They're looking at those long corners, is what

830
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: they're doing. And by the way, is with the Patriots,

831
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: going back to the Chandler Jone scenario, what they did

832
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, they signed Chris Hogan, a restricted free agent,

833
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: Chris Long. They traded for Kyle van Noy from the

834
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: Lions that offseason as well, are going into that season

835
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. They took that money that they would have

836
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: been paying to Chandler Jones. They signed free agents like well,

837
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: van Noy was a guy from the previous year and

838
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: Hogan as well. They signed a Lawrence guy at Philip

839
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: Dorset or Rex Burkhead this year with that free agent

840
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: money that would have been going to Chandler Jones, their

841
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: left tackled. Trent Brown, Cordarol Patterson, Adrian Clayborne, Danny Shelton,

842
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Jason mccordy are all guys that they were able to

843
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: sign as free agents. Yeah, and that's that's that's the

844
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: way the Patriots have elected to do business. Just to

845
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: make Isaiah Johnson that you were see Houston keeping eye

846
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Speaker 1: people stay off their rear about it. You know, you

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Speaker 1: rolling all right? Um? Anything more on tank? Got anything

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Speaker 1: else on tank? You know what? Hang in there, guys,

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Speaker 1: just hang in there. That's the best, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not a good sign to me, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: from the outside. They didn't take it up till today.

955
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Speaker 1: Today's the deadline to try to get a deal done

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Speaker 1: before you franchise a guy the fact that they just

957
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Speaker 1: went ahead and did it yesterday, It doesn't seem like

958
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Speaker 1: they're super close at the moment. Now they're probably telling them,

959
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Speaker 1: you guys are crazy now. And the problem is, like

960
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: if deadlines make deals, the next deadline isn't for five months,

961
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: four months? So does this thing drag all the way

962
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: into the summer while Brian's on a fishing boat. Please

963
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: don't let that happen. The dosek's just in the middle

964
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: of light does not taste as good when you're all right.

965
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: From Lawrence's perspective, should he go ahead and have the

966
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: surgery done now? Or should he wait? What do you

967
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: think is it a leverage thing to not have the surgery? Well,

968
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: now that he and he has, I think that's what

969
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: why you would delay it. Right, But you have the

970
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Speaker 1: tag though, so you're not a free agent. So the

971
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: cowboys are responsible for the surgery right with the offer,

972
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: even without signing it. Right, yeah, yeah, right, he's still

973
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: there there, right, Sure, he's got their rights. So maybe

974
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: now you go and have it, because if you're looking

975
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: to do something else that it at help Lawrence? Does it?

976
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: Will it? Will it help Lawrence? Though? Once it gets

977
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: let's say it drags out and we get close to

978
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: July fifteenth. Does it help him that the surgery is

979
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: taken care of in his negotiations or does it that

980
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery takes a while to recover for exactly fifteen,

981
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: you're not starting the season right, You're missing exactly you know,

982
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: the first month of the season or whatever it is.

983
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why I have a hard time of leaving.

984
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna drag all the way until But I could

985
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: be wrong. Can I ask you guys a question about

986
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: Lawrence real quick from the periscope. They want to know,

987
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: do you consider him a top five defensive end overall

988
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: in the league, in the league, in the league, Mac

989
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: von Miller, Ziggyanza, Frank Clark, Olivier Vernon, Justin Houston, Chandler Jones,

990
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram, Clowney d Ford. Yeah, just if Asa is

991
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: up also, I think yeah he is. He has got

992
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: he has a shoulder injury that he is coming off of.

993
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: I think I think everybody talks about Mac and Vaughan first, okay,

994
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: and then after that, I think he's right. I mean,

995
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: he's got right in that group. Mac is twenty eight.

996
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: Von Miller's thirty. Ans is thirty, Lawrence is twenty seven.

997
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Frank Clark from Seattle's twenty six, Olivier Vernon's twenty nine.

998
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: The Giants are trying to move on from him. Clown

999
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: He's twenty. No, Defourd's twenty seven. Yeah, actually twenty eight,

1000
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Speaker 1: Mickey twenty eight. Yeah, Clowney's twenty six. All right, So

1001
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: what do you think the market is for Ezekiel Ansa

1002
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: coming off shoulder? I assume a surgery. Yeah. Sure. He

1003
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Speaker 1: played seven games, two starts, with just four sacks. The

1004
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: previous year. He had twelve sacks in fourteen games. Has

1005
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: forty eight sacks in his career. Lawrence has thirty four

1006
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: sacks in his career. He would terrify me signing him, Okay,

1007
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: it would. I just don't see a healthy player there, right, Yeah,

1008
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: I just don't and and I don't know, I mean playing.

1009
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: I just think it's so much about I'm probably gonna

1010
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: get in trouble for saying this because I'm talking up

1011
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: Lawrence on a you know, I mean talking him up here,

1012
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: and you know they're saying, well, your own your own

1013
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: people on I mean, it's pretty is he's one of

1014
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: the top guys. I think he's one of the top

1015
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: five if the fact that he plays the run, he's

1016
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: a complete player. You've got a guy that can rush

1017
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: the passer from the strong side. Yes, that's rare, that's rare.

1018
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean I look at these guys and I think

1019
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: about Clowney. Clowney, he moves all over place. But see,

1020
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: he's just a year younger. He's just a year you know,

1021
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: he was the first overall pick. You know, I'm just

1022
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: looking at an other edge rushers that would be out there.

1023
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: Preston Smith red Skins who played in the three to four. Yeah, Kad,

1024
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: he's coming off a four sacks season eight sacks their

1025
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: previous year. See, that's the problem. By the way, you

1026
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: mentioned three four that Kansas it he's happening with d Yeah,

1027
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: because they're moving to a four to three, right, and

1028
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't fit the prototype there. See, I'm looking at

1029
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: the same thing you are. Bill. I mean again, to me,

1030
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Speaker 1: he's you're talking about guys like Okay, uh, let's see

1031
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: Michael Been he signed Cameron Cameron Wake from the Golf Ancients. Yeah,

1032
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: based thirty seven years old. Okay, is that a you know,

1033
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: do you sign a thirty well you've already signed a

1034
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: thirty something year old tight end. Why not two months

1035
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: will be thirty seven? Yeah, Jason Witten. Yeah, See that's

1036
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: where you know, this is a little this is just dangerous.

1037
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: So I but Trey Flowers is one guy in New

1038
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: England who's a young guy and coming off a seven

1039
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: and a half sacks season after six and a half

1040
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: sacks the year before, twenty one sacks in forty six games,

1041
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: and and Lawrence has twenty five in the last two

1042
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: two years, two years. Yeah, So how much does the

1043
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: previous injury issues that Lawrence has had in his career

1044
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: concerned you on a contract, five year deal? I think

1045
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: Lawrence has played through so much. I mean he's been

1046
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: He's proven to be very reliable. Yeah, it's hard less

1047
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: trying to help the head coach. Are you handicapping him?

1048
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know what, he's on his last year

1049
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: of his contract. Make this big deal about the last

1050
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: year of his contract and he's got to show him

1051
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: that he can lead him to the NFC title game.

1052
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Speaker 1: You know that, then you're going to take away his

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Speaker 1: second best or first best defensive player. Go ahead, Jason,

1054
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: go do it. Difference between taking it away and not

1055
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Speaker 1: being able to afford him. Though, Well, then don't don't

1056
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: let your head coach hang because you let him hang

1057
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers last year. Well, I think he

1058
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: had something to do with that, Mickey, Well, maybe he did,

1059
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: because but are consuming that does Bryant would have made

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00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: a difference. No, No, I'm just saying though, I think

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: that Jason he likes to talk about they come to

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00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: decisions by committee. I understand, I've I've lived that head

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: coach has power here. I think so Daniel hundred twenty

1064
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: five years old by the way, right and d Laws

1065
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: about twenty seven twenty seven. He's twenty seven right now. Yeah. Yeah,

1066
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: more than anything, DeMarcus is like the voice of that defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what you're giving up. More than the production, you're

1068
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: giving up the attitude, the leadership. How does the Lawrence

1069
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: compare with DeMarcus Ware in terms of just his whole makeup?

1070
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Speaker 1: And when you're talking about giving a guy one hundred

1071
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: million dollars, d Law was extremely durable, I mean one

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Speaker 1: of the most aware or Dware. Yeah, I think when

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00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: you start talking about they both I always judge this

1074
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: by how to offensive coordinators have to prepare. And I

1075
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: think Lawrence, I think where legitimately he scares people. Even

1076
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: late in his career, he was scaring people, you know.

1077
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: And that's not to say, you know, Mickey's talking about

1078
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: got the injuries, Yeah, and then and then and then

1079
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden now, but you're talking to a

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: guy playing left end too with Lawrence, which is rare

1081
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: that he gets the pressure he does playing as a

1082
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: left end, you know. But man, that's why Gregory got

1083
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: a lot of single blocks on that side until people said, oh,

1084
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: you know what, we better chip them every once in

1085
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: a while. I hope, I hope there. I hope they

1086
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: get this this thing with Gregory resolved. I really do.

1087
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: I think it's so unfair what the league has asked

1088
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: him to do. Again, I'll probably get fired for saying that.

1089
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: But but no, but again, it is it is they

1090
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: asked him to do too much, too much this game.

1091
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: He's tried everything. I'm sorry, Robin Gonna ran here a

1092
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: little bit. He's he's you know, he's put himself in

1093
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: the situation. I get it. But the things that they're

1094
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: asking him to do, you know, all the testing, all

1095
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: the count saying, all this, all this all this all this,

1096
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: You know what, I would smart smoking weed myself again,

1097
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean the pressure to have to do all that.

1098
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 1: Saw a lot of that going on last week. Yeah,

1099
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: it's illegal, it's legal in the state. Are smell, But

1100
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Speaker 1: you know what, but you get what I'm saying, Well,

1101
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Speaker 1: yes I do. I mean helped the kid, don't don't

1102
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: ask him to do things they're just they're impossible now

1103
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: and now he's on his own. Yes, you're not helping

1104
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: him at all without the structure. Yeah, And I wonder

1105
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: because Jason Garrett had a telling quote last week, pretty

1106
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: insightful when he said, you know, my understanding, relapse is

1107
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: part of rehab, and it's just we don't know the

1108
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Speaker 1: dialogue between the league and and the Cowboys and maybe

1109
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: medical people about Randy situation. But like it's well documented

1110
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Speaker 1: here the Cowboys. It's a medical issue. It's not like

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01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: a guy that just is just screwing off and keeps

1112
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: failing test. Yeah, there is an issue here medically, and

1113
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: so does the league's position on marijuana. Will that wait

1114
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Speaker 1: until the CB the new CBA. But getting ready, Jane, yeah,

1115
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Speaker 1: get ready. Well that's why we're not going to be

1116
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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. Yeah, exactly. I'll be sitting at the bank

1117
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Speaker 1: watching this, you know, because I have a feeling this

1118
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: thing is not this CBA. This is not going to

1119
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Speaker 1: be good for all of us. Trust me, this is

1120
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: not going to be good twenty twenty one. Yeah, let's

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: all figure something else to do in life. And with that,

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Speaker 1: all right, Next Tuesday it'll be a free agent preview edition. Hey,

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Speaker 1: here's joking, Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas

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