1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Zone seven welcomes back Georgia Duranti. Y'all remember Georgia. She's 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: the former real man of the Mob, former model, and 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: former stunt car driver for TV in the movies. She 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: has had a fascinating life. But tonight she joins us 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: with an unbelievable story, an addition to her life that 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: you are not gonna believe, y'all. It ain't like her 7 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: life wasn't already interested, Okay, Georgia had to go and 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: make it even more just shocking. So you know, when 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: there's a new true crime documentary and you plan your 10 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: whole evening around it. You get your snacks ready, you 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: put your phone on you, you snuggle up with your dog. 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: You tell your friends and family that, hey, we're going 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: to be in a group chat. We're going to talk 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: about this new documentary. That's what Georgia was doing, just 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: relaxing watching a serial killer show like we all do. Georgia, 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: tell them what happened? 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: Well, got my Jammy's on, got all ready to watch 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: a good crime show. 19 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: It was called. 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 2: Death Row Confidential Secrets of a Serial Killer. I had 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: taped it the week before so I wouldn't miss it. 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: You know. 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: So Anyway, I get in bed, turn the TV. 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: On after a long day, and they're showing how this 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: serial killer had killed twenty six women and they were 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: trying to figure out I guess he had a cellmate 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: or a guy that used to meet him for lunch 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: in the yard every day, and he started telling him 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: about all the murders that he committed. And this guy 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: took took notes, and as soon as he got back 31 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: to his cell he wrote down everything that he said. 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: He didn't miss anything. After ten years of taking these notes, 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: he gets a hold of the cold case detective and 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: turns the notes over to him so he can try 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: to match these victims up to you know, who they 36 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: knew was missing, right, So all of a sudden they 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: pull this picture out of the ground that the serial 38 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: killer had buried and it was my picture, and they 39 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: thought I was a victim and they were trying to 40 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: figure out which victim I was. 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Now, George, hold on, hold on, I'm just telling you 42 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: that's one of those things, like the call is coming 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: from inside the house. I mean, you are at home 44 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: in the band lights are out, snuddled in and you're 45 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: looking at your own photograph. 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: It was, and the thing was is that he was? 47 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: This guy was He was a photographer whose name was 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Joseph Nasso. He hired me fifty years ago and he 49 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: had me out in the woods and he took this 50 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: picture and blew it up to an eleven by fourteen 51 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: and he buried. It's the only picture he buried. And 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: now I'm thinking. 53 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: Why didn't he kill me? 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: He had me in the woods, you know, the only 55 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: thing I could think of. He kind of chose women 56 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: that were prostitutes and drug addicts and you know, women 57 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: that wouldn't necessarily be missed. And at that time, I 58 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: was the Kodak girl. I was on TV every day. 59 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: I was like in the newspapers, you know, doing ads, 60 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: and so maybe I was too. Maybe by killing me 61 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: would bring more attention to him. 62 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Definitely, that would definitely have happened. Yes, no question. Now 63 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: let me ask you, do you remember this photo shoot. 64 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: I don't remember the shoot, but I remember the outfit 65 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: and I remember him. I remember his face. I mean, 66 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: I could I could see having a conversation with him. 67 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he's that that familiar. Yeah, But I don't 68 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: actually remember the actual shoot or why we were shooting anything, 69 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: because he wasn't a Kodak photographer. He wasn't one of 70 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: the photographers you know that were you know, there were 71 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: always there that you always worked for, you know. And 72 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: another reason could be Rochester Institute of Technology where it 73 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: was a photograph school. Sometimes the students would call because 74 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: they want to build up their portfolio and I would 75 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: model for them. Could have been that, or I had 76 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: I had a nightclub with my husband at the time, 77 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: and he could have come in there. I could have 78 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: met him there, and that would be another reason why 79 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: he wouldn't do anything. Because my husband was a mob guy. 80 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: That's right. 81 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: He knew that he's taking his life in his own hands, 82 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: that's right. 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: So you do remember though, because I've seen the photographs, 84 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: and the photographs are beautiful. You're clearly in the woods, 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: like remotely, and you know you didn't really know this person. 86 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: How crazy is it that you're the only photograph he capp. 87 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: Well, it's driving me crazy, it really is. Now. This 88 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: was on the Oxygen Channel. Dick Wolf's production company did this, 89 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: and there they're asking me, if you know, if I 90 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: would like to do a follow up, they will do 91 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: another episode talking about just what we're talking about. 92 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: You know. 93 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: And uh, And I said to them, I want to 94 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: I want to go into the prison. I want to 95 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: see this guy face to face, and I want to 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: ask him why he didn't kill me right on, because 97 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: I got to know, I really got I'm gonna I'm for. 98 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: The rest of my life. 99 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wonder you know that's right. 100 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think you absolutely need to meet with him. 101 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: And you know what I thought, because you know, I 102 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: read a little bit about him and he's he's got 103 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: a pretty big ego. So the first thing I would 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: say when I walk in is, hey, Joe, remember me. 105 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: That's right. And you know he kept diaries, so there 106 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: could be some information about you that maybe hasn't been 107 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: released yet that's in those diaries. 108 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: Well, let's see, this is another thing that they're discovering 109 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: by the diaries. At that time. Back in like the 110 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: seventy two seventy three, we had a serial killer in 111 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: Rochester and this guy was killing women with the same 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: initials Darlene Drennan, Carol Comer. You know, they had the 113 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: same first and last initials. They dubbed him the alphabet killer. 114 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: But they never caught him. Now, they always suspected him 115 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: but they never had proof that it was him. 116 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: Then he moved to. 117 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: California's where he did all the rest of the murders, 118 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: a couple in Las Vegas too. So anyway, now with 119 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 2: the guy's notes, he is he's talking about different things 120 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: that he did in Rochester where he picked up these 121 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: girls and everything. So now you know they're doing all 122 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: they're opening up that whole case again back in. 123 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Rochester, absolutely, because he did live there at the time. 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and you know, just in case everybody 125 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: is not completely clear that he did in fact take 126 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: pictures of you. I do want to mention not only 127 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: did he have this photograph that he took the time 128 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: to put in some kind of encasement like a jar 129 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: that he buried, which has taken even more time to 130 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: make sure that he, you know, would know where this was. 131 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Decades later, he had the negatives from the photo shoot. 132 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: He had pictures of hundreds of girls, but mine was 133 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: the only one that he blew up and buried. 134 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Your photo shoot happened between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy one, 135 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: somewhere in that period of time, or seventy two or 136 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: seventy two, okay, and you know, if you do get 137 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: to meet with him, if he will meet with you, 138 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: he may remember. It may shock you how much he 139 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: remembers about you. 140 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to just bring like a small 141 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: photograph of what he buried if he didn't remember, and 142 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: show it to him, and that would spark his memory 143 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: for sure. But also, you know, because he's got such 144 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: a large ego, I was gonna. I don't know, I 145 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: may have just charmed him. I don't know. Maybe I was. 146 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: I killed him with kindness or something. But I'm gonna 147 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: say to him, if I do have the opportunity to 148 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: meet him, I'm when I said, you know, Joe, you're 149 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: ninety two years old. He said, you're going to die soon. 150 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: He said, don't you want to go out on top? 151 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: I mean Ted Bundy killed thirty six women, Gaysey killed 152 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: thirty eight. Don't you want to like add him up 153 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: a little bit? And let's defence to me Joe the Rochester, 154 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: the Rochester murders. 155 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: Come on, I there, you know it used. 156 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: To No I think that's valid, But you know what 157 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: it could be. It could be you were the most 158 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: famous person he ever photographed. I mean, you were super famous. 159 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: You did Kodat, But you also did Virginia Slim, you 160 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: did other commercials that were huge in the seventies. 161 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the biggest thing in the seventies was the 162 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: life size cutout of the Summer the Summer Girl poster 163 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: that was in all the camera stores and drug stores 164 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: all over the world. 165 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: Right, So, I mean you had to be the most 166 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: famous person he ever took a picture of. 167 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: No, maybe, I don't know. He had a lot of 168 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: pictures there. 169 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: But was anybody else somebody you knew? Was anybody else 170 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: of major? That's what I'm thinking. 171 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: No, he used to put ads in the paper in 172 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: California for models, and people would answer the ads, and 173 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 2: that's how he got most of the girls. But what 174 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: I just I'm still flabbergasted. 175 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: I can't even you don't know what you've got to 176 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: You've got to. 177 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: Think you're a victim. 178 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh, it's horrible. It's horrible. And to me it would 179 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: be a little I don't know, it would freak me 180 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: out to think this guy had a picture of me 181 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: that he blew up and he buried, and lord knows 182 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: what else he kept. I mean, he kept the negatives, 183 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: But I mean maybe he had other pictures that he 184 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: carried in his wallet. Who knows what he did. 185 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: What I did was I tried. I tried to find 186 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: that cold case detective and I figured out what his 187 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: name was, and I googled him and I found his 188 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: website and I emailed him and I said, the woman 189 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: that you think is a victim from Mount Tam is me. 190 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: I said, that is me. That is not who you 191 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: think it is. Because what they did with they did 192 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: a facial recognition and they came up with this other 193 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: girl who didn't look anything like that picture, right, And 194 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: so I said, your facial recognition is not working. That 195 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: is not that girl. 196 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: But he said. 197 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: The next episode that they aired last Saturday was they 198 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: showed that picture to the mother of that victim and 199 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: she said that was not her daughter. But you know, 200 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: but it's still a mystery. They haven't answered the question 201 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: of who this woman is. So if they do this 202 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: other series, they've got to get the green light from 203 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: Oxygen to go ahead and do it, then they'll be 204 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: able to explain about that picture. 205 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you're right. His other victims were sex workers. 206 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: They were strangled, and they were dumped in rural areas. 207 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: The same type of area he photographed you in. 208 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: Another interest thing was somebody sent me an article of 209 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: one of the girls that he didn't kill. He was 210 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: photographing her, and she actually testified in his trial. But 211 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: when he was photographing her, she said, you know, he 212 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: started out very nice and pleasant, and then he had 213 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: a pair of socks with a hole in it and 214 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: wanted me to wear. And when I refused to wear him, 215 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: that's when he got like a little aggressive and his 216 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: whole tone changed. And I guess they were filming in 217 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: her apartment, and so she made him some homemade chicken soup. 218 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: She said, he loved that soup. He was so happy 219 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: to have that soup. And she said, I think it 220 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: was the chicken soup that saved my life. And then 221 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: that I thought, huh, I actually And I couldn't remember 222 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: what photographer it was, but he had a studio set 223 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: up in his apartment and we did a shoot and 224 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: when we were done shooting, he was making this potato 225 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: recipe and he taught me how to make it. And 226 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: every time I make it, I always think of this guy. 227 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: But I can't remember who it was, but that could 228 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: have been him, That could have been maybe she gave 229 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: him chicken soup. 230 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: I gave him chicken soup for the soul. You know, 231 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 232 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: Well, the good thing is if he is, you know, 233 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: the alphabet killer, your initials didn't match. You didn't have 234 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the same first and last initials. That might have helped too, 235 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: because you know, when he's confessing to these twenty six women, 236 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: even in his diary, there's ten women that are unnamed, 237 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: and then he's got these photographs that are horrible that 238 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to match up to see who are these victims? 239 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: Can we put a name to any of the faces? 240 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: Right? 241 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: And that was the ten that he said were his 242 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: top ten. They weren't just the ten. 243 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Well, listen, you know, you and 244 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: I can sit here and talk all night about why 245 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: we think he did what he did, but I would 246 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: be putting a lot of my experience in education and 247 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: I'd be guessing. But I did reach out to my buddy, 248 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Julia Cally. Julia is a retired FBI profiler, and she 249 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: has a podcast called The Consult and it's a group 250 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: of friends and they're all FBI trained profilers, and they're 251 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: gonna look at this for you. To give you a 252 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: solid answer. 253 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: Oh, that'd be great, won't that be wonderful? 254 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me tell you she's so smart. Oh 255 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: my gosh, when I tell you, she's one of the 256 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: smartest people I've ever worked on a case with. She's 257 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: got information and insight like nobody else. And hopefully she 258 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: can put a little bit of your trepidation to rest. 259 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: She can maybe tell you that he was in love 260 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: with you, didn't want to kill you. Who knows. But 261 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna let her take it from here. But you know, 262 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I think you and I we need to get in 263 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: the truck and drive up to the prison. Yeah. I 264 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: think you walking in there. I think it would do 265 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: you a lot of good. 266 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, they said they can't bring the cameras in there, 267 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: and if we did, he wouldn't talk. If it was 268 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: just me one on one with him, he may open up. Yeah. 269 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I think it needs to be just you, not for TV. 270 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I think it needs to be for you, only you, 271 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: by you. Is there anything else they have told you 272 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: about him that made you have a memory, made you think, hey, 273 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: wait a minute, is where he took me in the 274 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: woods where he dropped a body? Or did he get 275 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: you to drive your own car and meeting there. Did 276 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: he pick you up and take you How did that 277 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: happen or do you just not remember at all. 278 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't remember at all, but I would usually I 279 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: would usually you know, meet them at the location whatever, 280 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 2: you know. 281 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: But I think what I'm holding there is. 282 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: Cornstalks, like like the end of the season, you know 283 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: how they just that's what it looks like to me. 284 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: It looks like cornstalks. 285 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: Well, the pictures are gorgeous. I'm going to tell you that. 286 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, honey, But I. 287 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: Mean there's something kind of freaky about it now, Yes, Well, 288 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: when you were doing all the work with Kodak and 289 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: all the other things you were doing in the TV 290 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: and the movies. I guess for me there's such a 291 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: I have to go back in my head and again 292 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Julia, you know, do her thing. But 293 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: I can't imagine if in fact, you were the most 294 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: famous person that he ever dealt with and privately got 295 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: to you know, have you in a photo shoot and 296 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: kept those negatives and you know, took it a step 297 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: further to me, maybe hopefully you were more like the unattainable. 298 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: You were married, You were married to a mobster, so 299 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be able to get to you anyway. 300 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: You weren't going to leave your husband for him. It 301 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: wasn't like he could really stand a shot with you. 302 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: So maybe it just stayed in this. You know, she was, 303 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, the one I chased. She's the one I 304 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: fantasized about but was never going to hurt you, the 305 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: one that got away, the one that got away. Yes, yeah, 306 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: I mean straight up. I mean that to me is 307 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: what it almost sounds like. 308 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: You know. 309 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Now you sent an email and the detective did call 310 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: you back. 311 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and he was like just flabber gusted. He said, 312 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: oh my god. He says, you have no idea how 313 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: many nights I've been up trying to feigure out who 314 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: you were. He said, I am so thankful you're still living. 315 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. And you know, this is a good 316 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: lesson for people. When you're doing a show or you're 317 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: working a cold case, you don't ever know who you 318 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: might freak out or upset, you know, so you know, 319 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: it's a good lesson I think for all of us, 320 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: just to say, hey, do you know this person? Instead 321 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: of putting it you know, hey, we think she's dead. 322 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, it could have been a little gentler. 323 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: Wow. 324 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: Well it was so bizarre. 325 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: But you know what all of my friends say, only. 326 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: You, only you, Only you. Yep, only you, because I'll 327 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: tell you. Even when I first heard your story the 328 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, years and years ago, I'm like, man, you know, 329 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: the fourteen year old me was so jealous if I 330 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: could have driven a car for the mob, I mean unbelievable. 331 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: And then to become a stunt car driver. I mean, 332 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything cooler. Max and I were 333 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: talking about that right before you came on, and even 334 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: Max was like, yeah, I mean driving through fire, skidding 335 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: on a you know, wet road, doing a three sixty, 336 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: jumping a ramp. I mean, it just sounds like heaven. 337 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: And again, your life has been so just out of 338 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: this world fascinating, and you think, well, that's it, you know, 339 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: I've done all that cool stuff, and then bam, just. 340 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: When I thought it was over right. 341 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: Yeap, you were just going to have a quiet little 342 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: you know. Nope, not Georgia, honey. So again with Julia, 343 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: what I think they're going to be able to help 344 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: you understand is they will be able to get into 345 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: his head. They will understand his pattern, they will understand 346 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: how he selected victims, and they will be able to 347 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: give you some solid. 348 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: Answers that would be so fantastic. Are you gonna let 349 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: her listen to this show so she can go from 350 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: there or what? 351 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I actually invited her to be with us tonight, 352 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: but she couldn't. She had a prior engagement. And so 353 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: what's gonna probably happen. I'm just gonna give it to her, 354 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: and then probably what you'll do is have an episode 355 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: on her podcast where they can have you on and 356 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: then break down everything they did to explain it to everybody, 357 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: and then I know, and we can listen to it 358 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 1: on the way to the prison. 359 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: You're gonna come with me, for sure? 360 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt. I'm driving, Are you kidding? And I'm 361 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: gonna wait out there and just be on pins and 362 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: needles till you get out. But absolutely I'm going with you. 363 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. But I'll tell you something, Georgia, 364 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: I have always admired you, and you know part of 365 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: the thing that's happening now. I know this was scary. 366 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: I know this was one of those things that you're 367 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: a bi rhythms changed, you know. Yeah, but you handled 368 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: it like you've handled everything with such good humor, with 369 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: grace and just saying, hey, I'm going to confront this 370 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: head on. I mean, let's sit with him. I mean, 371 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: I think that's just a testament to who you are. 372 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, everybody's telling me, don't do it, don't go there. 373 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, these people have people on the outside, or 374 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: there's copycats and stuff like that. 375 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: You know that that doesn't phaze me at all. 376 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: Listen, he worked alone. Ain't nobody thinking about him. He 377 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: has nobody on the outside. He done that. I flat 378 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: tail you. I mean nobody's He has no power. The 379 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 1: power sits with you, And the only reason for you 380 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: to go there and sit with him is for your 381 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: own just comfort and just being aware that, Okay, this happened. 382 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I just want to know why, what were you thinking? 383 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: I honestly think he will tell you. I do think so. 384 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: I think he will. 385 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll open up about the murderers 386 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: back then, but I think he will tell me that. 387 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: If anybody can get in a talk, it's going to 388 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: be you. Because listen, my granddaddy used to tell us, 389 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: if you want to know whether or not a boy 390 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: likes you, pay attention to what he does and doesn't do. 391 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: If he's not going out of his way to call 392 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: you or come see you or remember your birthday, it'll 393 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: be obvious he took extra steps to preserve your picture 394 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: that he blew up to me. Now again, I'm gonna 395 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: let Julia do her thing. But to me, when a 396 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: man takes extra steps, that's important. So I wouldn't ignore. 397 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: That fact and buried it and buried it and buried 398 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: it and buried it. 399 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: Well, it could be. Then listen, now, I will say this. 400 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: I feel two ways about it. It does kind of 401 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: freak me out on one hand, But on the other hand, 402 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: there are people that bury money, they bury treasure, they 403 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: bury things that are important to them. They bury things 404 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: they want to keep and have them be pristine. So again, 405 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Julia do her thing, but it could 406 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: be again because of the way he felt about you. 407 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 3: Well, I'll be interested. 408 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: I'll be interested in to see how she breaks us 409 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: all apart and puts it all together. 410 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: Oh, me too, me too. And again that's why I 411 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: don't want to guess. I don't want to give you 412 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: my two cents because I mean, that's about worth two cents. 413 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: I want Julia and company to take a look at it, 414 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: because then again you will have solid, definitive factual information. 415 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: Well, I really appreciate that. That's really super we're doing. 416 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: That, all right. I appreciate you, and we're gonna make 417 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: plans to get up to the prison and when we 418 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: get off here, we'll start picking a date. Okay, Well, 419 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. And you know this is 420 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna be such an asterisk to your book. It's crazy. 421 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: October first they're going to Amazon, Hulu and one other, 422 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: and then on the twentieth is going to be Netflix. 423 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: So just keep your fingers crossed that one of them 424 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 2: pick it up and this will be another episode. 425 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: Well, I told you for years it's got to be, 426 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: and this one is going to be one of those 427 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: episodes people are like, no way, you gotta be kidding. 428 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: But no bit happened because, honey, when you called me, 429 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: I had not watched it. I hadn't seen this documentary. 430 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: And when you first called me and you were like, 431 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this, I'm sitting there, I'm watching 432 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: this true crime documentary about a serial killer and then 433 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: my picture pops up. I'm like, wait a minute, what 434 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even process what you were telling me 435 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: because it was just unbelievable. But hey, here's the other 436 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: cool thing. With one of the possible primes, you solved it. 437 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: God's they solved that part of the puzzle. 438 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: For sure. 439 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: You did. This is not a cold case, because you know, 440 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: when we ever, anytime we ever have a call out, 441 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: the first thing we have to do is determine whether 442 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: a crime has been committed. So the very first step 443 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: an investigation, you did it. No crime here, perfect, y'all. 444 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 445 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: always do with a quote, I am not the monster 446 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: that killed these women. I dated, I danced, I took pictures, 447 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: but I don't kill people. And there's no evidence of that. 448 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: Joseph Nazou representing himself at trial in twenty thirteen. I'm 449 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.