1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,679 Speaker 1: Worrying. 2 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 2: Today's episode contained spoilers for you mild spoilers for various 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: Santa related movies and television shows. 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: Hello. 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night and 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: welcome back to Expert Division of podcast, where we dive 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: deep with your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: coming from my Heart, where we're bringing you three episodes 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 2: week plus news. 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are talking about the best fictional Santas. 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 5: Yes, we're here for a stocking stuffer, and we are 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 5: bringing in Ian to talk through those favorite Santas in media. 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: Plus. 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 5: Stick around after the chat for an interview with the 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 5: author of We Dance Upon Demon's Vaishnavi Patel. 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: Best Santa in TV or film. Excited to cut it 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: up with y'all, Ian, Welcome to the program. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 6: Hello, excited to be here. 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: Big conversation, guys. 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: Let's talk about first what we're looking for personally in 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: a Santa, because for me, you know, I think one 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: of the you know, when you really look at it, Santa, 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: it's he's he's like a mirror, you see what you 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: want to see, all right, don't. 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 4: You don't really know? 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 5: You know? 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: We we He's appeared on screen many, many times, you 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: very rarely do you kind of drill down and know 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: what he is, like, what is he like as a guy? 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 5: You know? 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: Is he is? 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: He? 33 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: And missus the summer? 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 4: What's he doing? 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: They get into it sometimes, but you still even seeing 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: him like in the tropical shirt, you know, and with 37 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: the Pina colada, you still never feel like, what's. 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: I don't know him? What makes him tip? 39 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: What in his heart? 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 5: Like? 41 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: What is he? 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: You know? 43 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: What's this? 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: What's he jacking off to? 45 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 7: Like? 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: What's Santa? 47 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: What is your inner life? 48 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: You know? 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 5: And so I gotta know which movie is letting you 50 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 5: know that there's none of them. 51 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. 52 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying he's he's kind of a car 53 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: and he's a carte blanche. Right, So what are we 54 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: looking for in Asanta? Ian? 55 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: What are you looking for in Asanta? 56 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 7: Well, you've made me requestion my thoughts. But I mean, 57 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 7: I don't know. Now, I'm like, may I need to 58 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 7: switch it up? But no, I think you know, for Asanta, 59 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 7: you want that wholesome, you know, good time, like that 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 7: cozy feeling. You want to feel safe, secure, You want 61 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 7: to feel loves taken care of. You want somebody who's 62 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 7: gonna inspire the holiday spirit. Get those scrooges and those 63 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 7: Curmudgeons and those misers out of their misery holes and 64 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 7: bring bring that good energy out. So that's kind of 65 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 7: what I'm looking for. You want somebody who's gonna embody 66 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 7: that jolly, that's that holiday spirit, is gonna make you 67 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 7: feel good, give you the warm and cozy's. 68 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: You know, Charlie, is important. 69 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 7: Remind you that you know, there's something more important going 70 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 7: on in the world besides yourself. 71 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: I feel I feel the same way, and I think 72 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: what you've you've touched on something that I think makes 73 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: it difficult to get to the to the meat and 74 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: bone under the red suit with the white furry piping. 75 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Is that Santa is about the mission. It's about Chris, 76 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: It's about delivering these presents, about the work. It's not 77 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: about him and what he wants and what what the 78 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: elves want, and so it is it can be difficult 79 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: to know the guy, Rosie, what are you looking for 80 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: in a Santa? 81 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 4: I got it. He's gonna I love, He's gonna be jolly. 82 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: I love that. 83 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 5: You know, he's got to be big. I'm gonna say, now, 84 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 5: you've got gotta be a big one. He's got to 85 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 5: be a big guy. 86 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: Acceptable. 87 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: No, I know David Harbor, mean Jack Santas. 88 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: I don't need evil David Harper Viking Santa. 89 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 5: That's slightly worryingly white supremacist codd, even though I did 90 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: enjoy Violent No. 91 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna. 92 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: Fully go against a slightly more honky Santa, because I 93 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 5: do believe that there is a movie that not only 94 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 5: answers some of the questions you guys have raised, but 95 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 5: also argues that maybe you could have a slightly hunky Santa. 96 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 5: But yeah, I need him to be big. I need 97 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 5: him to be wearing the costume. He can't be ashamed. 98 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 5: I don't need a reimagined like suit or anything, wear 99 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 5: the red suit. I need him to be caring about 100 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: the kids. That's got to be important. I got to 101 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 5: see that he actually cares, and he's doing this for 102 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 5: a reason. I like a missus clause. I'm a missus 103 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 5: clause fan. I want to see the woman behind the 104 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 5: strong man. You know, oftentimes he can. 105 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 4: Without her, he couldn't do it without her. 106 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 5: Man who's making And also, like what is he how 107 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 5: does he treat those elves, because those are really it's 108 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 5: a big issue. 109 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 4: We know issue. 110 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: I noticed that, like the big you know, the Chamber 111 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: of Commerce doesn't want us thinking about the working conditions. 112 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: Every time people in North Pole is keeping it. 113 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Every time we try to raise the issue, it's like, oh, 114 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: you fucking hate Christmas and you know, so it is 115 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: really tough. 116 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 6: It's it's tricky. 117 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, last time I watched Nightmare before Christmas, which 118 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 5: was like, you know, three days ago or something. At 119 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 5: my review on lap boxes like unionize Halloween Town slash 120 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 5: Christmas Town, like both of them clearly need union, Isaac. 121 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 5: One man cannot just be telling you what to do. 122 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 4: Are you getting paid? 123 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like maybe it's a feud door situation. 124 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: No, rent, I mean it's it's I didn't want to 125 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: go here because again, I love a jolly Santa. I 126 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: love a generous kind Santa. But you know, there's no 127 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: question that the there is a hint of menace in 128 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: the Santa man. 129 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: True. 130 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: He you know, uh sees you while you're sleeping. He 131 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: knows while you're away, He's watching you twenty four hours 132 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: a day. He's part of the surveillance state. Now he's 133 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: judging it's a bit it's a benevolent kind of surveillance 134 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: right in that he's it's just about the presence, like 135 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: he just is gonna bring you something good if you've 136 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: been good, and bring you coal and or something less 137 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: as good, less good if you've been bad. And that 138 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: data we assume is not shared with other partners. You know, 139 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: I don't know what Santa's like cybersecurity is but to 140 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: Sam and we don't know who's good or bad, and 141 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: that that has never been leaked into the dark web. 142 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: But I know I worry it is concerning overall. 143 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 5: I got to bring up one of my biggest issues 144 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 5: with Santa. Now, look, I'm I've already got a big 145 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 5: list here. I love Santa, right, but have you guys 146 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 5: ever noticed the correlation between how Santa seems to think 147 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 5: that kids who are poor are bad and kids who 148 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 5: are rich are good because rich kids always get more 149 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: presents and don't get them. 150 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 4: So I'm saying there's some coss issues here too. 151 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 5: Guys, Jason, you're bringing up some issues with the Christmas system. 152 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: Wow, this is obviously a lot to We're not going 153 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: to be able to unpack it here in this stock 154 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: and suffer. So now let's let's just go and make 155 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: our list. I think we should just do our top threes. 156 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: Let's do our three, yeah, I think, and we can 157 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: discuss Ian. Would you like to go first your top 158 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 2: three Santas? 159 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 7: I honestly I just have one, just just the one 160 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 7: that's locked in. 161 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: That Good's that good. 162 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 7: And this might be a controversial take because the actor. 163 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 7: I think it's not anybody's favorite, but the film is fantastic. 164 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with the classic the Santa Claus tim 165 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 7: Allen from nineteen ninety four. That movie is a very 166 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 7: an e It's a pun exactly. It's a very clever 167 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 7: play on words there. That movie has a very special 168 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 7: place in my heart. I got that on VHS in 169 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 7: like a white Elephant gift exchange in elementary school, and 170 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 7: so I've watched it every. 171 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 6: Year for Christmas ever since. 172 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 7: And I think the reason why I love that movie 173 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 7: and that that particular Santa is because it's such a 174 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 7: like fun, interesting, like twist on the classic Santa trope. 175 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 7: You know, you have this really skeptical guy who works 176 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 7: in the toy industry, but he's like a capitalist only 177 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 7: cares about profit and making money, and he is basically 178 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 7: thrust into this position to be Santa Claus. He doesn't 179 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 7: believe in it, and over the course of the movie, 180 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 7: you know, he comes to see the value in it 181 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 7: and believes in the spirit of Christmas and all that stuff, 182 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 7: and the skepticism chips away erodes away, and he connects 183 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 7: with his son in a way that he couldn't before. 184 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 7: And there's just some really beautiful emotional moments. You know, 185 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 7: I at one point at the end of the movie 186 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 7: when he gives his ex wife like that board game 187 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 7: that she's always wanted, and like then she really believes 188 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 7: and then everybody just there's so many like sweet moments 189 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 7: in that movie that you know, I still like get 190 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 7: kind of misty eyed watching as an adult, And you know, 191 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 7: it also answers some of those like questions about Christmas, 192 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 7: about like how does he get around the world in 193 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 7: one night, and like what happens when people live in 194 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 7: a house that doesn't have a chimney? You know, Oh, 195 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 7: in the scene where he comes back cool And the 196 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 7: one my favorite scene though, I think in the entire 197 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 7: movie is you know, the first year he's Santy, he 198 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 7: goes to this girl's house and they leaves out milk 199 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 7: and cookies and he's like an asshole. He doesn't want 200 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 7: to be there and he's like, oh, I'm lactose in tolerant. 201 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 7: I'm not gonna drink that. And then he comes back 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 7: the next year when he's like fully Santa pilled and 203 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 7: he's into it and he's like living the role, and 204 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 7: he's like drinks the milk and he's like, oh, I 205 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 7: think this milk is bad. She's like it's soy milk. 206 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 7: You said you're lactose intolerant. He's like, wow, you remember 207 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 7: like Mary Chris Is you know like that that was 208 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 7: so cute, Like I love that moment, so like that 209 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 7: just gives me like the warm and cozies every time 210 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 7: I watch it. 211 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 6: And yeah, I just I love I love that movie. 212 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 5: I love it too because when I was a kid, 213 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 5: I was just like so horrified by like the body 214 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 5: horror elements when he starts like trying yea, so good, 215 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 5: so hard, like so weird, really funny. Obviously also sparked 216 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: a franchise and as some really fantastic support. 217 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: Cost Yeah, definitely not everybody's favorite actor, and of course 218 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: he uh he did. Ah. He was convicted of cocaine 219 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: smuggling and then snitched out his entire crew, which is also. 220 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: Just snitch Santas. 221 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a quick break, and we're back. 222 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: Okay, next, next favorite, Santa, let's go. I guess we 223 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: should just trade. We'll go Rosie your next, your favorite? 224 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: I can I can tell you that. Okay. 225 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 5: So this is really tough for me, guys, because I 226 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: do have a lot of Santa's I love. But to 227 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 5: keep it contingent to the conversation we are having, I'm 228 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 5: gonna present you with not one, but two movies star 229 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 5: the same iconic actor as Santa that were released on 230 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 5: the popular Netflix streaming service, And that is The Christmas 231 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 5: Chronicles from twenty eighteen and The Christmas Chronicles two, which 232 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: star Kurt Russell as sexy off Santa and his wife, 233 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 5: Missus Claws, is played by none other than his real wife, 234 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 5: Goldie Horn. 235 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: So the chemistry is amazing. I love this Santa because. 236 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 5: This is very much about kids who have lost their 237 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: hope in Christmas. The family is bereaved, they don't believe 238 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 5: in Santa or in good things, and this Santa is 239 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: so just really focused on them finding that Christmas magic again. 240 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 5: The costume is beautiful. I think is one of the 241 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 5: best Santa costumes. The second one stars Julian Dennison as 242 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 5: like a rebel Elf from a Hunt for the World 243 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: of People aka Ricky Baker. We love him and it's 244 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: just a really fun franchise. I these with my nephew 245 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 5: and niece. I think it has a really interesting kind 246 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 5: of Nordic approach to the visuals of the Santa Claus 247 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 5: North Pole kind of area. 248 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 4: Just a really fun modern take. 249 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 5: Still has the sleigh, still has the packages, but it 250 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 5: reminds me of that feeling you get when you watch 251 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 5: something like Elf, where you believe in Christmas. This is 252 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 5: a movie that made me believe in Christmas. And I 253 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 5: really do love Kurt Russell and Kurt Russell Santa Claus 254 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 5: is top tier casting, so that would be mine. 255 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: Jason, what's your first favorite? 256 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start. 257 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: Let's start classic Miracle on thirty fourth Street. Santa I 258 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: like a drop of Santa. Now there's the drunk one, 259 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: and there's the one in the mall, whatever the case 260 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,119 Speaker 2: may be. Maybe Miracle on thirty fourth Street a classic 261 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: of the Santa genre really kind of riding that first 262 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: post World War two. 263 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: Wave of. 264 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: Mainstreaming of Christmas and of Santa and making it like 265 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: a business thing. And it's there's still like these the 266 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: sense of the quaint, like a magic of Christmas. In 267 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: this it's about a the Thanksgiving Day per It's really 268 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: like spawn con for Macy's from. 269 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: The yeah spon con for Macy's, but a bit in 270 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 4: a delightful way. 271 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: And it's about, uh, you know, a young girl basically 272 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: who believes that the Santa in Macy's is actually Santa 273 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: and the real Santa. And these are the kind of 274 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: Christmas stories I love where the tension between, like the 275 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: tension between the myth and the reality is somewhat ambiguous, 276 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: where Okay, we know that this is at Santa, but 277 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: she really believes it, and it brings out these like 278 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: seemingly mundane like notes of kindness and things he says, 279 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: and it frames it in a different light where you 280 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: can really get back to that childlike wonder where you 281 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: really believed that Santa was there. I really I remember 282 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: vividly when I was still in my Santa belief, how 283 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: my family was like, oh my. 284 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: God, he's here. 285 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: You need to go up to your room and you 286 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: want to be asleep, you know, it's like yeah, oh huh, 287 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: and you hear him going and someone is making the 288 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: ho ho ho and then someone's like stomping the boots like, oh. 289 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: My god, Santa yo what. 290 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: And that is so magical and miracle on thirty fourth 291 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: Street from nineteen forty seven, the original, not the remake, 292 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: I think really captures it in a fun way. 293 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's what I like. 294 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 5: I like it. 295 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: I like a drop of Santa. You like a little yeah, 296 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: a little sash, a little Santa. Yeah, a little splash 297 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: of Santa Ian next, okay. 298 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, said I he's ready, I have I have one. 299 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 7: This is like a silly, goofy backup one that the 300 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 7: Santa Thief from Friday afternoxt classic ice Cube film. 301 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: Talking yes, yes, yes. 302 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 7: So the movie is famously set during the holidays and 303 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 7: there's a thief going around the neighborhood stealing people's gifts 304 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 7: dressed as Santa. And that's just like kind of the 305 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 7: impetus for the plot of the film. But I just 306 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 7: think it's so like it's just like a funny throwaway gag, 307 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 7: like silly guy dressed it, and he's so skinny, like 308 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 7: in this big oversized with the sack of like stolen 309 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 7: gifts and toys, so it's it's just hilarious, like a 310 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 7: funny visual. And my favorite line from that movie is 311 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 7: like he's going through the stuff that he's stolen back 312 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 7: in his like like layer or whatever, and he takes 313 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 7: out a shirt and it's like extra medium. He's like, well, 314 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 7: got to make something for the skinny felms. Like it's 315 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 7: just so funny. 316 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: By the way, played by played by Srik call Artiste 317 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: Ricky Smile. 318 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: I know, a costing unbelievable. 319 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 7: I'm just like hilarious that they got him to do 320 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 7: that role. So it's so funny, just like that, So 321 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 7: I love that, Like that's my fun throwaways in. 322 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: Really Good. 323 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 5: My next one is gonna be I'm actually gonna break 324 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 5: some of my own rules here because this guy is 325 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 5: not he's not portly, he's not chubby, he's not big. 326 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 5: But I will say this was in twenty eleven peak 327 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 5: of I think, like, you know, men's magazines kind of 328 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 5: waning and indie sleeves, so it was very fashionable to 329 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 5: be skinny, you know, to be like Kate marsol Alau 330 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 5: Arthur Christmas twenty eleven British animated movie, really fun. 331 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 4: It's about a guy who is the. 332 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 5: Son of Santa and his brother has basically militarized the 333 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 5: Santa scheme and they have elves that drop everything off 334 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: by drones. It's very Amazon coded, but Arthur is just 335 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 5: a funny little guy who wants to get the bike 336 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 5: that the girl didn't get, who wrote a really nice 337 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: letter to Santa to her, and it becomes this kind 338 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 5: of really interesting mission and these ideas of the two 339 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 5: different sides of Christmas, the capitalistic side and the side 340 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 5: about the belief, and it's just really really fun. I 341 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 5: love this movie. I watch it with the kids a lot. 342 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: Prizingly good. 343 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 4: I think it is an oddman movie. 344 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: Even though it is computer generated, but it is uh, 345 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 5: just really enjoyable fun and Autha has the spirit of 346 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 5: Christmas and ends up also getting to be the hero 347 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 5: in kind of an unexpected way by just being kind, 348 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 5: which I think is a really good Santa troupe. 349 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: My next favorite Santa Santa is ed Asner is Santa 350 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: from Elf Correct, starring Will Ferrell. 351 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 6: The Another. 352 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: Vehicle just a drop of Santa incredible Santa ring. It's 353 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: a wonderful, jolly, big Sanding. I like a Santa on 354 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: the older side, young Santa. Too many questions, too many, 355 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: like any questions coming to mind? Yeah, with a with 356 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: a younger Santa. I need a I need an older 357 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: guy in there season and see a season Santa who 358 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: understands how it works. And this is just one of 359 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: my favorite Christmas movies about and Elf. Will Ferrell who 360 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: leaves the North Pole and has his adventures in New 361 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: York City, finding love, et cetera. And a wonderful gag 362 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: where he hears that you know they're gonna be They're 363 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: gonna have the they're gonna be setting up the Santa 364 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: display for the kids, like in the store that he 365 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: works in, and he goes fucking he's crazy when he 366 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: discovers that sant is actually gonna be there decorating. 367 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 4: Just a delightful I. 368 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 6: Mean, Elf is like one of the best Christmas movies ever. 369 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 6: It's so good. 370 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely cannot recommend it enough. 371 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 5: The Netflix documentary series The Movies That Made Us they 372 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: did a Christmas version Christmas Movies that Made Us. The 373 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 5: way they made this movie, the production of making everything 374 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 5: look small, compared to Will Ferrell. It's all done practically, 375 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 5: really fun. And yeah, I mean a Asna Santa. That's 376 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: like top tier Santa casting. 377 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back 378 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: with our final Santas and more thoughts for the holiday season. 379 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: And we're back. 380 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: Ian is tapped out of Santa's but Rosie and I 381 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: have one more. Rosie, do you want. 382 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: To give yours? 383 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 5: Okay, I am going for my true favorite Santa. This 384 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 5: is the thing I have to watch every Christmas. It 385 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 5: is on YouTube, so you can join me with it, 386 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: guys who live in America. Raymond Briggs, famous British cartoonist 387 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 5: and kids story writer, most notable probably for his incredibly 388 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 5: depressing yet cozy nuclear war story When the Wind Blows, 389 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 5: and he also so in England, is very well known 390 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 5: for his Christmas stories. He made The Snowman, which I 391 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 5: think people here have seen, which is wonderful. But my 392 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 5: preferred Raymond Briggs project is Father Christmas, which is a 393 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one movie and it is legit one of 394 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 5: the best things I've ever seen. I watch it every year. 395 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 5: It is essentially about Santa. Now, Jason, this is not 396 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 5: a splash of Santa. This is all Santa, so you know, 397 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 5: this may be it's a little bit Santa heavy, but 398 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: I love it. 399 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 4: Basically, it's Santa Claus. 400 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 5: He lives in England with his pets and his reindeer 401 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: up north, and he's just doing his domestic chores, getting 402 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 5: ready for the next Christmas while he's telling us about 403 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 5: the holiday that he went on. There is a crossover 404 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 5: here we get to see him actually fly through the 405 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: Snowman party. He goes on holiday to Europe and eats 406 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 5: all kinds of delicious foods. He delivers presents to Buckingham 407 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 5: Palace and yeah, this is just so magical for me. 408 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: That our gorgeous. 409 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: It's Channel four so it's the best independent channel vision 410 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 5: channel in the UK. And yeah, this is an unbelievable 411 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 5: English classic twenty six minutes long. Cannot recommend it enough 412 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 5: and it even has a famous song another bloomin Christmas. 413 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's my favorite. He's my number one. Jason, who's 414 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: your final Santa? 415 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: My final Santa is going to be a combined mister 416 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: and Missus clause and it's Will Sasso as Santa Claus 417 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: and Mira Servino as Missus clause in the Canadian French. Well, 418 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: it was filmed in English and dubbed in French, and 419 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: it's a Canadian production released on Lifetime. 420 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: Obsess in French. 421 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: Alera shashe de Madame Noel looking for Missus Clause in English. 422 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: And if you're one of those types of families that 423 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: like just wants to have the NonStop playlist of Christmas 424 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: material on the TV, like oh, like I know many 425 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: people who do this on Christmas Day and Christmas Eve 426 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: and looking for Missus Christmas Madame Noel to your list. 427 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: It's a delightfully low budget story about a girl in 428 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: the very much non Christmas coded Las Vegas who is 429 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: the is the daughter of a single mom and her 430 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: mom is like struggling and loses her faith in Christmas. 431 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: So of course the girl writes a letter to Santa 432 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: and uh, I think actually missus clause and miras Orvino 433 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: is so touched by this letter that she shows up 434 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: and is like, I'm going to do like a to 435 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 2: do a makeover, like on your life, to get you 436 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: like okay in the Christmas parent and we're going to 437 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: start thinking about it. It's it looks like ship in 438 00:22:53,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: that Lifetime way that second cozy about it, Yes, and 439 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: it's and mirror Sorvino is in the just make her 440 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: young and good like, just make her look like herself. 441 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: For some reason, they spent eighty percent of the production budget, 442 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: like on her prosthetics that they put around her. 443 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: Face, and she looks terrible. 444 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: But something right about it is the low budgetness. The 445 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: badness of it is charming. And then the fact that 446 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: you have. 447 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: Oscar winner Mirascorvi you don't. 448 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: Like in this Lifetime feature It's it's it's startling and 449 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: so just add it to your Christmas playlist rotation. 450 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds unhinged. I gotta check that out. 451 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that you started with, you know, talking 452 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 5: about a classic with something like Miracle on that Fourth Street, 453 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 5: which established a very important question in made for TV movies, 454 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 5: which is the center at your local more real and 455 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 5: it most made for most made for TV movies? The 456 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 5: answer is yes. So yes, I'm so glad you ended 457 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: on that. There's so many brilliant, you know, outrageous Hallmark 458 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 5: Lifetime Christmas movies. Also another missus clause shout out. There 459 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 5: is an Angela Lansbury missus clause movie where she lands 460 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: in New York in nineteen then early nineteen hundreds, late 461 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 5: eighteen hundreds and ends up helping a group of newspaper 462 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: delivery kids unionize. And she has fantastic costumes. So gotta say, loving, lovingies. 463 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So on our way out, let's wish cast. Let's 464 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: say there's an upcoming Christmas themed film they need a Santa, 465 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: who would we love to see cast as Santa Claus 466 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 2: in our theoretical Christmas project. 467 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: Rosie, let's go with you first. Then Rosie, you go, 468 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: you go do it. 469 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm doing my Nightmare cast, which is Aaron Paul Waterhouser. 470 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 4: He's great. 471 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 5: I like crank Kid, he's funny. I don't need to 472 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: see him as Santa. That's not for me. I'm like, 473 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 5: if you're gonna do Santa, you need to cost an 474 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: old character actor or do something weird and creepy, like 475 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 5: Till the Swinton Santa. So I'm going for like Till 476 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 5: the Swinton, Spooky Etherol kind of you know Christmas Carol 477 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 5: siciated Sid spooky Santa Jason, how about you? 478 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: Like I said, I love an old Santa, and I 479 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: recently watched this Gentleman's the documentary about this gentleman. And 480 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: I think he would be a perfect Santa Martin Scorsese. 481 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 5: Movie Santa Cinema, Santa. 482 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: Cinema Santa Martin Scorsese with the same cadence everything that 483 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: with a fast talking like this and. 484 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: Make it Martin and his store. 485 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 4: Can she can help like she can be Elf? I 486 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 4: love Francesca. I would love to see and have you 487 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 4: come up with a wish cast. 488 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 6: I've got, I've got mine, and I think, okay, let's 489 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 6: hear it. Okay. 490 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 7: I think if he can, if he can pack on 491 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 7: the pounds or maybe get him in the fat suit, 492 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 7: I think Keanu could be and then incredible Santa because 493 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 7: I feel like he's such like a kind heart and 494 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 7: gentle soul. I feel like he would embody like the 495 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 7: ethos of the Christmas spirit. 496 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 5: And I think he can be like not as big Santa, 497 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 5: because I just think. 498 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: His vibe like, yeah. 499 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 5: Oh, that's a perfect that's gonna happen, and I. 500 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 7: Would just love to see it. 501 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, get a good script. 502 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 5: That's a that's a Christmas classic in the making right there, 503 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 5: right Because who. 504 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 6: Doesn't love Keanu too? Everybody loves him so I think 505 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 6: it would be great. 506 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: Thank you to Ian and Jason for their Santa Tea picks. 507 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 5: Now let's go to an interview with author Vaishnavi Patel. 508 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 5: It's so great to have you on the podcast by Sanovia. 509 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 4: How you doing. 510 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm good, it's so excited to be here. Thank you 511 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: for having me. 512 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm really excited to talk about your upcoming book, 513 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 5: We Dance Upon Demons, which is the perfect time for 514 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 5: people to pre order now. 515 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 4: So could you tell me a. 516 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 5: Little bit about this book and its influences, which I 517 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 5: know are going to cross over with some of our 518 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 5: nerdiest fans. 519 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: Yes. So, We Dance Upon Demons is a contemporary fantasy 520 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 3: set in modern day Chicago, following a reproductive healthcare worker 521 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: at an abortion clinic who accidentally frees a demon from 522 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 3: a statue and pipings and sue relatable. 523 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 4: Ye, just stuff that happens. 524 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 5: I love this concept, and also Chicago, that's your hometown, right, 525 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 5: so you're getting to build in a little bit of 526 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: that too. 527 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 3: Definitely. It features a lot of my favorite places, the 528 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: public transit system in Chicago, which I love very much, 529 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 3: the Art Institute, which is one of our best Museums, 530 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: which is where the demon freeing incident takes place. So 531 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: it is very much an homage to my hometown. 532 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 5: Yes, and also a homage to maybe one of your 533 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: favorite TV shows. 534 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you were growing up. 535 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: I am a big Buffy the Vampire Slayer fangirl. It 536 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: had a massive influence on me growing up, like when 537 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: I watched it, I think when I was in high 538 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: school and really change the way I look at things 539 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: like femininity and what it means to be like a 540 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: person trying to do good in the world. And what 541 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: I love most about Buffy is that it is very 542 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 3: much like fun in games, Like it's a funny show. 543 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: You laugh at it, but then at the end of 544 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: the day you're also like carrying these deep messages about 545 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: mental health and the struggles of being a young person 546 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: in this world. And so I was really trying to 547 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: capture the vibe of like, you know, they're going to 548 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 3: high school, but there's supernatural creatures. It's like she's working 549 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: an abortion clinic, but there's supernatural creatures, and it's like 550 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: there's fun and jokes and laughed or in addition to 551 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: the bad stuff, and also the supernatural as a metaphor 552 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: for things that happen in real life. I loved that 553 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: about Buffy. I think it did that so well, where 554 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: it was like the vampire of the week somehow was 555 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 3: always actually a metaphor for like meeting your stepdad for 556 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: the first time. 557 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, having a terrible boyfriend or. 558 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: Something like that. Yeah, And so the like supernatural creatures 559 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: as metaphor was very much something that I was trying 560 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: to take with me until we Dance upon Demons. 561 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 4: I love that. 562 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 5: And all of your work has really bought in a 563 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 5: lot of kind of like Indian folklore and really introducing 564 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 5: a lot of the kind of archetypes and stuff that 565 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 5: other people might not have leaned into or learned. 566 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 4: About as much. 567 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 5: So here it's the it's an Indian art exhibition, right, 568 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 5: we see Nisha goes to and so could you talk 569 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 5: a little bit about how that element is balanced with 570 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 5: the Chicago of it all and the Buffy of it 571 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 5: all and the fantasy of it all. 572 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the demon she freeze is an Indian demon, 573 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: and there's also demons from the Christian pantheon that come 574 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: into being, but the demon that she frees and is 575 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: maybe her enemy, maybe her ally what's going on is 576 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: an Indian demon, and the title of the book is 577 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: a nod to that. The demon is a pusmara in 578 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: the Indian mythology, and that's the demon of ignorance. And 579 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: in the Indian mythology, the demon of ignorance can never 580 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: be destroyed because ignorance can't be destroyed, it can only 581 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 3: be kept at bay. So there is a god who 582 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: is constantly dancing on top of the demon of ignorance 583 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: to keep it under control. And so the title of 584 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: the book, We Dance Upon Demons, is a reference to 585 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: the particular demon of the book, and the statue that 586 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: she touches is a statue of the god dancing on 587 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 3: the demons. So it all kind of ties in together there. 588 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 5: I love this so much, And I think something else 589 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 5: that is really cool about this book is you have 590 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 5: all of these elements, but in that kind of horror 591 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 5: as a space to it, I mean fantasy and sci 592 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 5: fi and genre as a space to explore more stuff. 593 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: Buffy, you know, demons. 594 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 5: There is also this element of nische having, you know, 595 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 5: depression and kind of this feeling of how do any 596 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 5: of us make a change in the world When the 597 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 5: world is so tough, and I love that grounded kind 598 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 5: of emotion that keeps us at the center of this 599 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 5: kind of outlandish story with like you said, with these 600 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 5: demons from across the pantheon, could you talk a little 601 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 5: bit about why having that emotional heart is always like 602 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 5: so important at the center of these stories. 603 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the idea for this book. So to back 604 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 3: up a little bit, I am a lawyer. My main 605 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: area of focus is rights law. So I worked on 606 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 3: some of the stuff before the Supreme Court in Daubs, 607 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 3: before Roe found we lost the right to an abortion. 608 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: I've worked on you know, voting rights, immigration, and it's 609 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: really hard to find the find a way to keep 610 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: going every day. And we're all in this field, and 611 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: everybody who's on the front lines of these various issues 612 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: struggles with it because it feels like evil keeps winning. 613 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: Like if you were a repro lawyer, you you know, 614 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: I had colleagues who were in their forties and fifties 615 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: and it's spent twenty years of their lives fighting against 616 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 3: abortion restrictions, and towards the end of their career, what 617 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: happened is abortion got banns in half the country. And 618 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: it feels like evil wins, and so I wanted to 619 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: really drill down on that story and that feeling with 620 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: this character who is really really struggling with how do 621 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: I keep waking up and going to work and trying 622 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: to get patients access to healthcare when the whole system 623 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: is stacked against me? And that's a really hard question 624 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: to answer. 625 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 5: You know. 626 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: Sometimes some periods in my life, I have, you know, 627 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: all the drive and I'm like, let's go, let's do this, 628 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 3: like everything we can possibly do matters. And some days 629 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: I'm like, I could work twenty hours today and it 630 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: won't make a difference. And so that's why I wanted 631 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: to tell the story about depression and burnout because I 632 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 3: think so many people are struggling to find the hope 633 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: to keep going, and I wanted to show a realistic 634 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: view of how you get there and how you get 635 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: out of it because that's very personal to me. 636 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love the aspect, and I think as well 637 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 5: as just all of us trying to do I do 638 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 5: a lot of like mutual aid and kind of I 639 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 5: have a column keeping an eye on what's going in 640 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 5: my neighborhood with everything going on. 641 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: Right, Oh, that's so good. That's so important. 642 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's really hard. 643 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 5: It's like you say, like I was just getting notes 644 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 5: back from my edit at being like, hey, can you 645 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 5: double check what this acronym means? 646 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 4: And part of me in my head is like, just 647 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 4: publish the thing. It's really important. 648 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 5: We need the people to know, like we need them 649 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 5: to know, you know, but you got it, Like it's 650 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,479 Speaker 5: those little steps you gotta tape to make sure and say, Okay, 651 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 5: this is what this means, this is what that means. 652 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 4: But you to keep the energy going is really hard. 653 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 5: And I think that hopefully this is the kind of 654 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 5: book that's going to encourage more people to get involved 655 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 5: in the fight, whether it's reproductive justice or any other fight, 656 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 5: because I think it does have the. 657 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 4: It has that buffy feeling of like I'm gonna. 658 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 5: Go out there and just fight someone, Like I'm gonna 659 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 5: go out there and make it happen, and that's. 660 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 4: What all of us need. A little bit more of 661 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 4: the anger of a teenage girl. 662 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 3: Yes, And I think that you hit on one of 663 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 3: the really hard parts about this work is that when 664 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 3: people are doing something bad like taking away or write, 665 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: it's so easy to do. It's like you just pass 666 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: a law or the Supreme Court says you don't have 667 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 3: this right anymore, and you don't care about the collateral 668 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 3: consequence as of people dying or families being torn apart. 669 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 3: So it's very easy, but it's very hard to do 670 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 3: the work to fight back because you have to think 671 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: about so many different people and interests and how to 672 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 3: protect communities. You know, like ten years ago, the reproductive 673 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 3: health worlds really went through a big soul searching moment 674 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: when it started to use the terminology the appropriate terminology 675 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: pregnant people instead of pregnant women, because we want to 676 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: think about how to serve every person and how to 677 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: be the most inclusive. And that's really hard, and so 678 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 3: you're doing so much more work to try to fight 679 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 3: back than you are to try to do the bad thing, 680 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:41,919 Speaker 3: And that. 681 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 5: Is absolutely it's really tiring because we see how easy 682 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 5: it is for them to unravel these rights that people 683 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 5: for decades for and we know that to get them back, 684 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 5: we're going to have to fight for decades. 685 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 4: And I think that can be overwhelming. 686 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: It can be very demoralizing, and I'm so pathetic to 687 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 3: feeling demoralizing, and that's you know, that's why I wrote 688 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 3: this book. I know this is a spoiler for Buffy, 689 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: but you know, it's been out for a long time. 690 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 3: But I know the ending is a little bit controversial, 691 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: but to me, the ending of Buffy is one of 692 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 3: my favorite parts because everybody gets the power to fight. 693 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 3: And the whole point is that she tried so long 694 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: to carry it alone, and she did a really good job, 695 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 3: a really amazing job for somebody trying to carry it alone. 696 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 3: But in the end, she couldn't carry it alone. She 697 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: needed other people. And that's kind of the point of 698 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 3: this book too, is that the main character for so 699 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 3: long is trying to go it alone, and part of 700 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 3: her journey is realizing that she has to rely on 701 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 3: her community, and her community has to show up for her. 702 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, I love that. I mean, what a message. 703 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 5: If that's the message not the message of twenty twenty five, 704 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 5: I don't know what is. 705 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 4: Also, you got such a cool uh Maria Kima is 706 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 4: the illustration? Come on? Yeah? 707 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 5: I mean, how did you feel? And you got that 708 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 5: cover that is so badass. It's so pulpy. It's got 709 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 5: this really cool like it's like a cool kind of 710 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 5: visualization of a pulpy kind of. 711 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 4: Hit heroine, but it could also be maybe a demonic lady. 712 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 4: Like there's so much fun in there. How did it 713 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 4: feel to get it? 714 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 5: Because it's very different from your other covers too, which 715 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 5: often lean more into the kind of the Hindu influences 716 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 5: and the folkloric nature. This is very like pulpy and 717 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 5: like punky and kind of like in your face. 718 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 4: What did that feel like to get it back? 719 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 3: I was so excited. So Maria Kamara is also known 720 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 3: as hate Copy on Instagram and I think other platforms, 721 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 3: and she is a Pakistani Canadian artist and she's very 722 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: well known in the South Asian community specifically, so like 723 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 3: I own her art prints, Like I was such a 724 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 3: fan of her, and then I got in my inbox, 725 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 3: like she's interested in doing your cover, and I fulipped 726 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: out and so I'm so excited and it's so amazing, 727 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 3: and it really to me, it really fits the vibe 728 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 3: because I'll be like, has a kind of like a 729 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 3: sixty seventies feel, which is when the first iteration of 730 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 3: this fight happened. But it's like bringing it into the 731 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 3: modern age, you know, it's like a clearly kind of 732 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 3: Indian South Asian character with all of these little touches 733 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 3: that when you read the book make more and more sense. 734 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 3: So it's perfect for the kind of. 735 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 4: Book it is. 736 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, she's there's such an incredible artist. And 737 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 5: like also I remember seeing a bunch of people sharing 738 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 5: that she did that dress like a hate copy dress, 739 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 5: and it has a character who looks a lot like 740 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 5: your character on the front. 741 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 4: So I'm like, who knows book launch collaboration? 742 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 3: I know, I keep saying we need like tope bags 743 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 3: or something with the T shirt shirt. Yeah, T shirt. 744 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 5: I also love that I do not give off weird 745 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 5: uncle energy vest that she made, Like. 746 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 4: A lot of people send that one to me because 747 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 4: I do give off weird uncle energy. 748 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 5: But yes, okay, So as this is a stocking stuffer 749 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 5: episode and people will be ganked listen to it in 750 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 5: time to pre order this for themselves or there are 751 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 5: people they love or people that need to read this book. 752 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 5: But what are some of the books that you will 753 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 5: be gifting people this Christmas? 754 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 3: So I have three they're all in one in a 755 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 3: fantasy space, but they span like different kinds of fantasy things. 756 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 3: So first I have this Princess Kills Monsters by Ry Herman, 757 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 3: which is I like the more like irreverent. It kind 758 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 3: of feels like Terry Pratchett. It's taking the so you 759 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 3: know in the fairy tales how the prince is betrothed 760 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 3: to this princess but then he falls in love with 761 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 3: the common girl. It takes the point of view of 762 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 3: the princess, who is like Jilpid of the Altar, and 763 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 3: so it's like all these wacky little fairy tale bits 764 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 3: and pieces and it's funny. So that's for like your 765 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 3: friend who likes fantasy but like likes the laugh, likes 766 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 3: the irreverence send up. Then if you like more like 767 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 3: co fantasy romanticy, the Paladin's Grace series by t Kingfisher, 768 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 3: I think a new book just came out this year 769 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 3: or last year, but it's a series of standalone books 770 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 3: set in the same world, following more like adult characters 771 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 3: solving these mysteries and falling in love. So it's very 772 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 3: much it's like fantasy, but it's on the cozier side, 773 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 3: and it's it's just like a warm hug. And then 774 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 3: if you like like hard epic fantasy, Dawn of the 775 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 3: Firebird by Sarah Rana is coming out. I think next 776 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 3: week or the week after, like first week of December, 777 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: so it will be available for your holiday needs. And 778 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 3: that is it has a gorgeous cover. 779 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I just looked up and the 780 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 5: cover is Dnning. 781 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 4: This is like a gorgeous book to get for a gift. 782 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 3: Yes, it's inspired by the person Innate world, a lot 783 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 3: of mythology. It's very it has like brutal parts. It's 784 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 3: like epic fantasy about a girl on a revenge quest, 785 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 3: very strong, interesting character. Is such a ride. So if 786 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: you have somebody who loves like the hard epic fantasy 787 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 3: Dona the Firebird, that is perfect. 788 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us for this very 789 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 5: special stocking stuff. And let's have you come on next year. 790 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 4: And talk about the new Buffy show when it get 791 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 4: more news. 792 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 3: I'm like, I've been following like everybody's instagrams trying to 793 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 3: like intuit it they're on set, like, please bring me back, 794 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 3: I'll have yeah. 795 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: No come back. 796 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 5: I love Chloe Shoo so much, big Buffy influences here, 797 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 5: of course, and love to see that being taken over 798 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 5: by Chloe and the producer and obviously Sarah herself. 799 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, very excited. 800 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 3: So and thanks again, thank you so much for having me. 801 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 4: Well. 802 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 2: I hope your holiday season is a delightful one. That's 803 00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 2: it for this episode. Thanks for listening. 804 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 4: Who Bye Bye jingle Bells. 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