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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to a special episode of the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 2: What's been Cool? Over the years, I've sat down with

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Speaker 2: so many amazing songwriters who have written some of the

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Speaker 2: biggest hits in country music. And in this episode, I'm

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Speaker 2: shining the spotlight on the female songwriters that I've talked to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're awesome. They've written hits for Miranda Lambert,

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Speaker 2: Keith Urban, Brett Eldridge, Miley Cyrus, Faith Hill, Dan and

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Speaker 2: Shay the list goes on. Really cool episode here to

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Speaker 2: hear stories from women who are really at the heart

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Speaker 2: of these songs that we hear on the radio every day. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to play some clips from interviews that I've

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Speaker 2: done with Liz Rose, who was known for writing a

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Speaker 2: lot of the early Taylor stuff, Laurie McKenna, Natalie Hemby,

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Speaker 2: Nicole Gallion. I could keep going, but I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to because I want you to hear this. They talk

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Speaker 2: about their inspiration for songs, how to write a great song,

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Speaker 2: how their songs get into the hands of major artists.

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Speaker 2: So let's kick things off with Liz Rose. You know

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Speaker 2: I mentioned he Ller Swift. She wrote songs like you

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Speaker 2: Belong with Me and Tim McGraw with Taylor back when

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Speaker 2: Taylor was a teenager. Here she is les Rose. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so here you are you start songwriting and.

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Speaker 3: How old about thirty eight?

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Speaker 2: It's a whole new career.

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Speaker 4: For me.

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Speaker 5: Back then, I was raising I was a single mom,

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Speaker 5: so I had a kid in college and I had

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Speaker 5: two little girls. And if somebody said I'm going to

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Speaker 5: pay you X amount to do this, I said yes,

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Speaker 5: And I figured out how to do it because I

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Speaker 5: was just paying the bills, you know, never dreaming that

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Speaker 5: I would make enough money to really live on or

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Speaker 5: retire on. I I just thought, Okay, there's a little

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Speaker 5: bit extra money each month, I'll do this. So that's

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Speaker 5: kind of how I never looked at the big picture,

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Speaker 5: because I knew the big picture was not great. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I worked with songwriters, but I didn't care. I was

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Speaker 5: I had a publishing company, I was writing songs, and

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Speaker 5: I had this thing over here, and I mean I

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Speaker 5: just kept moving.

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Speaker 3: I just keep going.

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Speaker 2: I was on a flight once, I think it was

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Speaker 2: from maybe Texas to Nashville, and I was getting out

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Speaker 2: to fly. This is about five years ago, and that

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Speaker 2: person I was with say, hey, do you know that

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Speaker 2: wasn't behind you us? I did not. She was that's

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Speaker 2: the one who wrote all the songs with Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: And I said, oh, I didn't. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: And so I saw you then and I thought, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, how about that? That's cool? I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: didn't at that time. I didn't know many songwriters. I

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Speaker 2: don't really got into the world. You end up having

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Speaker 2: friends that make their living by creating and either putting

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Speaker 2: so now I remember back to that flight and first

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Speaker 2: of all, going, why is the one who wrote all

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Speaker 2: the songs with Taylor Swift flying Southwest? That's what I

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Speaker 2: was thinking, because I love Southwest? I do too. I

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Speaker 2: love Southwest too, and people give it a hard time.

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Speaker 2: But do you feel like that's been phase maybe two

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Speaker 2: of your identity, the Taylor Swift Because and now I

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Speaker 2: did I know you as Liz rose from as a

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Speaker 2: writer more from the Love Junkies than I do the

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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift stuff. But I wonder where that falls into

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Speaker 2: your phases in your in the creative part of your life.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because my first phase was.

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Speaker 5: Songs about rain, and I was getting Leam Womat cuts

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Speaker 5: and Trisha Yearwood cuts, and I had a certain thing

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Speaker 5: that I did that everybody really really loved, which is

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Speaker 5: why Taylor started writing with me. Was that thing and

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Speaker 5: just the I don't know, I think it was the pictures,

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Speaker 5: the descriptive if I I learned how to do it.

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Speaker 3: And I and I and I.

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Speaker 5: Was pretty good at it, just writing those pictures, and

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Speaker 5: You know, I felt like I was Everybody thought I was,

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Speaker 5: oh man, she's cool. She's writing with Past McLoughlin and

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Speaker 2: So I just did it.

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Speaker 5: She came in with a melody and an idea, and

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Speaker 5: never really thinking about that. But when it really blew up,

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Speaker 5: I was I can remember people going, why are you

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Speaker 5: writing with a fourteen year old? And I said, well,

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Speaker 5: because she comes in and it's easy and it's fun.

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Speaker 5: You know, I love listening to her stories. So I

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Speaker 5: caught once it blew up, you know, everybody was like, wow,

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Speaker 5: I can't believe you were so smart to do that.

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Speaker 5: I just did it because I liked doing it. So

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Speaker 5: that was a phase because suddenly I was the person

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Speaker 3: I had to go through a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of explaining to people that that was not me, it

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Speaker 5: was Taylor and so and it was real easy to

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Speaker 5: kind of lean back during those years, you know, and

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Speaker 5: then I kind of had to like really hit it

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Speaker 5: to get that to go, Okay, but I can do

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Speaker 5: this and I can do this. Yeah, and so crazy

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Speaker 5: Girl win in the ACM that year kind of that

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Speaker 5: that helped a lot. And then girl Crush for me,

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Speaker 5: and and perception wise it didn't go, oh, the Taylor

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Speaker 5: Swift thing is off. It's just like it just added

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Speaker 5: to it. You know that the Taylor Swift years will

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Speaker 5: always be part huge part you know of what I did,

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Speaker 5: and do you know if she called me right now,

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Speaker 5: I'd go.

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Speaker 2: You know, they feel like the Taylor stuff. Do you

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Speaker 2: try to get a bit away from that? Now? Is

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Speaker 2: that the first thing brought up everywhere? Because again I

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Speaker 2: don't only know you as Taylor the Tailor writer, I

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't try and get away from it, because

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Speaker 5: I'm really proud of it. It's a huge part of

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Speaker 5: my life in my career and a lot I had

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Speaker 5: a career before, but my career is you know, it

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Speaker 5: will always be connected to having those Tailor songs, and

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Speaker 5: I'm really proud of them, and I and I never

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Speaker 5: we wrote such great songs. So I don't try and

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Speaker 3: What I do.

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Speaker 5: What I do try and do and I don't always,

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Speaker 5: is that I continue to get people that want to

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Speaker 5: they don't want to talk about anything but Taylor, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, that was kind of ten years ago, and

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to give you information on Taylor I

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Speaker 5: don't have.

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Speaker 2: So they're digging for.

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Speaker 5: Digging for Taylor, and they're trying to make like this

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Speaker 5: is not what we're doing, but they try and make

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Speaker 5: their story. You know, they're they're whatever they're doing is

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Speaker 5: is they can you know, highlight Taylor's name in it?

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, I think people just want clicks

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Speaker 2: the same way the songs want plays. And if they're

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Speaker 2: chasing a click, the kind of story, what's the best

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Speaker 2: headline to put in there? But and I just wondered

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Speaker 2: you to get the clickbait stuff to go, it's not

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Speaker 2: even clickbait, Like it's interesting, you know the fact that

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Speaker 2: you know Taylor Swift was playing Tim McGraw that the

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Speaker 2: first time Amy metter at our radio station. Like you

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Speaker 2: wrote that with Taylor right and right roll together. I mean,

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Speaker 2: when you sit down and write a song about an

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Speaker 2: artist again, we're talking about writing about personal people, about people.

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Speaker 2: That'd be weird to get that to Tim right?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Is it so long ago? No?

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Speaker 3: It's funny. I she was just sincere.

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Speaker 5: She said, I want to write a song called when

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Speaker 5: you think Tim McGraw, And I thought, okay, I mean

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Speaker 5: you know, if you don't cut it, nobody, nobody's gonna

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Speaker 5: cut it. But okay, you want to write it. It's

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Speaker 5: your song, these are your songs.

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Speaker 7: Let's just do it.

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Speaker 5: And I just didn't overthink it. And you know, that's

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Speaker 5: that's what I did with her. I just didn't overthink it.

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Speaker 5: I felt like she was writing her songs and I

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Speaker 5: let her and that's why it worked between us.

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Speaker 3: And so I thought, God, that's so.

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Speaker 5: Nervy, you know, It's like okay, and then she, you know,

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Speaker 5: sang it to Tim McGraw's Crazy.

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Speaker 2: I remember seeing that words show. I think we did

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Speaker 3: I was just so proud of her.

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Speaker 5: I was always like a proud momb with her, you

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Speaker 2: Laurie McKenna talked about how Faith they'll put her on

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Speaker 2: the map as a songwriter and why Tim McGraw song

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Speaker 2: this gets interested to Faith and she says, hey, I

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Speaker 2: love your song, Like, how does that first conversation happen?

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Speaker 9: So what happened was I put out this record called Bittertown.

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Speaker 9: And the reason I know these dates is rare because

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Speaker 9: I never know dates. But my son David was born

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Speaker 9: May tenth, two thousand and four, so I know.

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Speaker 10: It's two thousand and four.

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Speaker 9: And I put this record called Bitter Ten out and

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Speaker 9: it had most of those songs on it, and Mary

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Speaker 9: over the summer, I think at some point played it

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Speaker 9: for Melanie Howard. Melanie called me like August and said,

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Speaker 9: I want to pitch your songs around town?

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Speaker 10: Is that cool?

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Speaker 9: And I had been here once. I did a round

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Speaker 9: at the Bluebird and it was probably like two years earlier,

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Speaker 9: like two thousand and three maybe, and never listened to

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Speaker 9: country music. I didn't grow up listening to country music.

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Speaker 9: I didn't know much about it. And my husband and

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Speaker 9: I came home and like a month after that first trip,

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Speaker 9: I was like, hey, man, are you listening to the

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Speaker 9: country radio station? And he's like, like it just like

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Speaker 9: got us of us were like hooked from kind of

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Speaker 9: that moment on and and she called She's like, you know,

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Speaker 9: I'd love to picture songs around town, and I was like,

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Speaker 9: that would be brilliant. I don't know what that means,

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Speaker 9: you know, pitch away. And then by Thanksgiving. Faith had

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Speaker 9: cut the songs, so I don't know. I think Faith

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Speaker 9: the story I heard. By that point, Faith had cut

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Speaker 9: a bunch of songs for that record.

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Speaker 10: That record came.

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Speaker 11: Out the following.

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Speaker 9: August, so Aboudy, you know, two thousand and five, and

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Speaker 9: you know it was called Fireflies, and all you know,

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Speaker 9: for those songs to be on there. It was the

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Speaker 9: It's amazing to me. What I really feel like, it's

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Speaker 2: Do you and are you able to see, as they

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Speaker 9: work if it lands on you.

441
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Speaker 12: Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

442
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 12: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. I sat down

443
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 12: with Natalie Hemby back in twenty seventeen. Here she is

444
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 12: talking about writing songs like White Liar and Automatic with

445
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 12: Miranda Lambert and how she knew early on Miranda was

446
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 12: going to be a big star till you try and

447
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 12: you don't sign, and so you start writing songs. Did

448
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 12: you just want to be a writer then, or was

449
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 12: it like, Okay, that didn't work. I'm not going to

450
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 12: pursue the artist part.

451
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Speaker 6: Of it, you know what.

452
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 7: I was devastated. I was very disappointed, and you know,

453
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,119
Speaker 7: I didn't know what but for some reason, I'm like

454
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 7: a Tomex, I take a look in and keep chicken,

455
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 7: but I got knocked down from it. But I basically

456
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 7: I had a publishing deal. And then I met my

457
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 7: husband and we became really good friends, and then literally

458
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 7: got engaged and we got married, and we were like,

459
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 7: let's move out to LA because I grew up here

460
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 7: in Nashville and I loved Nashville, but I also hated it.

461
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 7: I was like George Bailey in Bedford Falls, like this

462
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 7: was my Bedford Falls. I wanted to leave here. I

463
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 7: was like, I'm going to go places. I'm doing this

464
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 7: with my life, damn it. I'm gonna have this huge

465
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 7: record deal and I'm gonna be singing on all kinds

466
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 7: of stuff. And it just never it just I always

467
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 7: hit a wall. It never worked out for me. And

468
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 7: so my husband and I we got married and literally

469
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 7: about a month later. Who he is a producer as well,

470
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 7: but a month later we came high tailing. No, we

471
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 7: moved out to La lived out there for a few

472
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 7: months and man, just like a month's Yeah, we didn't

473
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 7: stay very long. We came high tailing to back home

474
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 7: because La is so hard to live and especially if

475
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Speaker 7: you don't have a lot of money.

476
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: It's expensive. People are very affected, yes, out there too,

477
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: That's why it's hard for me growing up in the South. Yeah,

478
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: and where people are people. Yeah, it's it's like you're

479
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: walking into a plastic well.

480
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 7: You just feel like after all the people out that

481
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: I've really loved from out there were either from LA

482
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 7: or they were from the Midwest. But it was so

483
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 7: funny because it was like I found myself either try

484
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 7: It's like you either become LA or you get eaten

485
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 7: up by LA, you know. And when I go somewhere,

486
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 7: I found myself going, who's this and what do they do?

487
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 7: And how can they help me? And I hate that

488
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 7: more than anything.

489
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like that because I do a little

490
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: bit now too, But don't you feel like that now

491
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: a bit too because you're at the level you are?

492
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: Or don't you kind of wonder why people nobody wants

493
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: my friend, Like, really, if I don't have a job,

494
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: cool job, nobody wants with my friend.

495
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 7: I don't think you want to be my friend either.

496
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 7: Maybe they think I was funny or something, But I

497
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 7: don't know, No, I don't know. There is a little

498
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 7: bit of that, I think, you know, it just kind

499
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 7: of comes with territory, but it's also a great way

500
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 7: to set an example. I guess you know what I mean. So,

501
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 7: but I definitely when you're out in LA. When I

502
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 7: was out there at the time, I definitely felt like

503
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 7: I just didn't like the person I was. And so

504
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 7: we came home after a few months. For a few months.

505
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you rented, Yes we did.

506
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 7: Yes, we did, and we started in a nice area,

507
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 7: but it was like we didn't have any money. It

508
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 7: was just not fun. So but on my last day there,

509
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 7: I met with a publisher out there and with Sony Publishing,

510
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 7: and I had a great meeting. And so I came

511
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 7: home and I told her I was moving back. So

512
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 7: her name was Kathleen Carrey and she's awesome. I came home,

513
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 7: got a job at Comcast because we needed health insurance.

514
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 7: Worked there for like two to three years. In the meantime,

515
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 7: my husband gets this job to produce co produce with

516
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 7: Frank Letdell. This girl Miranda Lambert who was third runner

517
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 7: up on National.

518
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 2: Star New Artists from TV basically yeah, yeah, artists.

519
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: From TV also my ad.

520
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 7: That was another thing that was changing the formats as well,

521
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 7: was TV, you know from American idol to I mean

522
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 7: everything you can imagine, all the TV shows, So anyways,

523
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 7: you almost had to be on a TV show during

524
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 7: that time to get a record deal. I mean that's

525
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 7: almost like what they were looking for. So he started

526
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 7: working with Miranda and then they started all having and

527
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 7: I mean literally Mike used to come home and play

528
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 7: all these records. I mean he played, produced, engineered, mixed

529
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 7: all like the first three records, and I just heard

530
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 7: her music through the house all the time, and I

531
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 7: would sing harmony. I sang harmony on all her records

532
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 7: and stuff. But in the meantime, I'm still working at comcasts.

533
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 7: And then I also then I also got a publishing

534
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 7: deal with Sony in LA. Was like my last bid

535
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 7: to try to be an artist, so I went out.

536
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 7: I didn't go out to LA, but I was just

537
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 7: writing for this project and they once again I was

538
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 7: meeting with labels. I mean literally at twenty six. Someone

539
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 7: told me they were like, well, she's kind of old

540
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 7: to have a deal right now, which is hilarious to me,

541
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 7: I mean, which it makes it just makes for a

542
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 7: great story now. But at the time I was pissed.

543
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm not old. But anyways, none of

544
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 7: that worked out.

545
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: But Mike was.

546
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 7: Doing so well and he was doing all this stuff

547
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 7: with her and then David nell Elaang band, but he

548
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 7: finally was like, hey, you should write with my wife.

549
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 7: I mean, and she'd met me because I'd sang on

550
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 7: her records and stuff, and I'd sang with her on

551
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 7: a couple of live things too, and she was like, Nally,

552
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 7: I want to write with you on this next record.

553
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 7: And I was like, will you call me?

554
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to bother you.

555
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm available, you just tell me when you

556
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 7: have time. So she ended up calling me and finally,

557
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 7: and literally we wrote eight songs in two days. And

558
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 7: it's because I mean, I literally had all these ideas

559
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 7: I've just been saving for and it was white liar,

560
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 7: only prettier.

561
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that. Let's let me stop you for

562
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: a second. You know, just for those at home, you

563
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: wrote eight songs in two days. Now, most writing sessions

564
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: people put to, you know, four to five hours aside

565
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: and go we're gonna write, yeah, and then you come

566
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: up with the song and you get and hopefully you

567
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: demo it and it's a thing. Yeah it is. And

568
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: sometimes that friends who double rights. Yeah, no, right, and

569
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: that's a lot like you do a double right with

570
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: two songs? You're exhausted, you are? You did eight songs

571
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: in two days? Yes, you know what.

572
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 7: Mariana at the time she lived in Texas and I

573
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 7: only had her for a couple of days, and I

574
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 7: was like, I'm like, I'm gonna drink coffee and I'm

575
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 7: gonna write my brains out.

576
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: I don't care.

577
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 7: I'm like, I just wanted to get But the thing

578
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 7: about it I liked about it was I really loved

579
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 7: the songs. I had been working on the title White

580
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 7: Liar for a while and I was trying to make

581
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 7: it this dark, mysterious but with a White Liar. I

582
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 7: was like, I didn't know where to go with it,

583
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 7: and she goes, well, I don't know, Like what about like, hey, lie,

584
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 7: Ruth comes out a.

585
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 4: Little out of time?

586
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 7: And I was like that like that literally and I

587
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 7: was like, oh my gosh, yes, And I was like,

588
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 7: we wrote it in thirty minutes.

589
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: Would that be the moment that you went, Okay, she's

590
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: really special.

591
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say that would be. But I tell

592
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 7: you what. On her first record, she wrote love is

593
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 7: Looking for You Now by herself, and she also wrote

594
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 7: care Saying by herself too, But I Love is looking

595
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 7: for You Now? Is like, what an amazing song that was.

596
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 7: If anybody could ever go back and listen to that,

597
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 7: they need to. It was so and she wrote it

598
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 7: when she was sixteen, and I was just like, damn,

599
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 7: this girl is really good, Like she's I don't know,

600
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 7: I really have always known that Mirandam's a great writer.

601
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: Would that be the first big check that you got,

602
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: was white liar, Oh yeah, yeah, yes, the first mailbox money.

603
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: We were like, holy crap, like I can actually not

604
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: work at comcasts.

605
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and honestly, it's probably the song that's made me

606
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 7: the most money because usually your first hits are the

607
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 7: ones that keep generating because that's what they always go

608
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 7: back and play over and over and over again for years.

609
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 7: So if you can have a first hit with an artist,

610
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 7: that's a really great thing. And the great thing is

611
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 7: her first hit as well, her first number one. You know, Kerosene.

612
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 7: I totally thought Kerosene or gunpowdern Led all those should

613
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 7: have been number one, but they just weren't at the

614
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 7: time for whatever reason. But that was her first number

615
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 7: one and my first number one, and it was really

616
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 7: special to get to share that with her.

617
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big Jesse Alexander fan. She wrote

618
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: The Climb by Miley Cyrus. She also wrote Lee Brice's

619
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: I Drive Your Truck. She's written so many massive songs.

620
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: But she shared the difference between writing in Nashville versus

621
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: writing in Los Angeles and why Nashville is and was

622
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: a better fit for her.

623
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 11: So I was writing at Disney at the time. I

624
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 11: was in my probably first or second year there, and

625
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 11: my publisherly Sir Ramsey, found out that they were coming

626
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 11: here to make that Hannamontana the movie here in Nashville.

627
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 11: And She's like, wait a minute, you gonna come here

628
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 11: to Nashville, and you're not gonna use any of the

629
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 11: Nashville songs and songwriters because at that time, all the

630
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 11: Disney franchise stuff was basically written out of la So

631
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 11: she like found the director Peter Chisholm and talked him

632
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 11: into coming to our office in Nashville while they were

633
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 11: scouting locations, and we literally put on like an old

634
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 11: school picking like with guitars, like we just played songs

635
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 11: that we loved, and he was taken by my voice,

636
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 11: and you know, just we hit it off and he said,

637
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 11: would you please just make me a CD and you know,

638
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 11: put some songs on there. And I thought, oh my god,

639
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 11: this is my moment and I didn't have anything. The

640
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 11: song that we wrote was called It's the Climb. It

641
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 11: was a guy song. John Mabe was singing it. It was

642
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 11: a little more spiritual. But he called us like a

643
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 11: week later, said, if you'll rewrite the song, I'm going

644
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 11: to rewrite the whole movie around this song, and.

645
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: You'll rewrite the song. What does that mean if you're.

646
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 11: Because I had written it more if the headlines like

647
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 11: these prayers are praying? You know, it was very much

648
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 11: more spiritual. It was more adult. You got to remember

649
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 11: Miley Cyrus was fifteen aunt of Time. So we did.

650
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 11: We rewrote it and sent it back and he was like,

651
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 11: you don't understand, like she's gonna be play She's gonna

652
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 11: be writing this song in the movie, Like this is

653
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 11: going to be part of the whole movie. But I

654
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 11: still didn't believe him. I just thought, no, there's gonna

655
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 11: be some la writer that's going to beat me. You know,

656
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 11: I'd be into the song. Someone's going to write a

657
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 11: better song.

658
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: Is that because so many times you get told something

659
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: at the last.

660
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 11: Minute, yes, and we were by that point. I was

661
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 11: so used to know that yes. I couldn't even understand that.

662
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 11: And it was so odd to have something so much

663
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 11: about my struggle be the thing that gives me success.

664
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 11: Do you know what I'm saying? I like, how does

665
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 11: that happen?

666
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: You know?

667
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 11: And it was just such a blessing just to watch

668
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 11: my dreams come true. And now I get to see,

669
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 11: you know, people on the American Idol sing it. I've

670
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 11: seen you know, I've had letters from people that use

671
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 11: that during chemo treatments or run a marathon. To my

672
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 11: daughter sing it at our pre K graduation. You know,

673
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 11: it's just it's like the song that people have taken

674
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 11: so personal.

675
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: I love the song. I played it because I was

676
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: on poprity at the time. I played all the time. Yeah,

677
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: I had no idea you were influenced in my life,

678
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: see even then. So did you go back and make

679
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: it the original version your record?

680
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 11: I just kind of sang it the way we wrote it.

681
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 11: This whole record that I made is really acoustic. People

682
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 11: will come hear me play and they'll say gosh, I

683
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 11: love your version of I drive your truck. It's so

684
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 11: different coming from a female's perspective. So when I made

685
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 11: this record, I wanted them to have a Bluebird experience,

686
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 11: Like literally, I want them to walk away after just

687
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 11: seeing me play the Bluebird and put it in and

688
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 11: be like, that's exactly what I just heard. So the

689
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 11: common denominator is me and a guitar, my husband and

690
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 11: a gay guitar, and Richard Bennett was very sparse the

691
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 11: way we recorded it. But on every song there's a

692
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 11: special guest like Sheryl Crow sing's on it, Charlie Worsham,

693
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 11: Will Hoague like I've got all my friends singing, kind

694
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 11: of a special feature of the song. So I'll bring

695
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 11: you on.

696
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: I just download it when you leave. I don't even

697
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: have a display. I don't have a disc call you

698
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: have a disc holl in your life. No, I don't

699
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: have a disc holl either, No for any So I

700
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: haven't give a bunch of CD lay around.

701
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, people give me CDs all the time, Like,

702
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 11: I don't know what to do with this.

703
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: What's the name of the record. I felt so ignorant.

704
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 11: Called down Home because me and brothers Osborn wrote a

705
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 11: song on their record they recorded as well, but Christopherson's

706
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 11: on there, and there's some really cool songs that I

707
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 11: wrote for the record.

708
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Man, look at you. I remember the first time meeting

709
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: I was timoated to talk to you. I told you this.

710
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm such a big fan because I

711
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: saw you play and then I knew what you'd written

712
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 2: songwriter geek and you were really nice to meet and

713
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: not nice is in nice. You were very friendly, you

714
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: were very warm. There's a difference in nice and warm,

715
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: and you were very warm to me. And I was like, man,

716
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: people aren't warm to me because everybody's like either scared

717
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: because they I'm gonna get on ready and say something

718
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: about him, yeah, or they just don't like me because

719
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 2: I said something about him.

720
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 11: Well, you might have said something about me.

721
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: No, if I did, it was awesome. I said, I

722
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: want to hear. Okay, So let's Miley the Climb. That's

723
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: that was my introduction to you.

724
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 11: That was the one.

725
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: What's the third clip of the mike over here? There's

726
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: one of black whites? Okay, okay, we did that one.

727
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: So I drive your truck, Lee Brice tru I mean

728
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: that one w won everything. Yeah, I mean that's that's

729
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: because I wonder what the Miley song inside of our

730
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: little bubble here in Nashville, if that really made you like,

731
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: whoa she's? Because I wouldn't think it would didn't.

732
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 11: It was very surreal because you know, I'm a Nashville songwriter.

733
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 11: I grew I grew up, you know, want to write

734
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 11: country songs like you stopped loving her today? That's my bar,

735
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 11: you know. So you know, I'll be honest. I don't

736
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 11: listen to a lot of pop radio. I wasn't influenced

737
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 11: by pop radio, so it was so weird to have

738
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 11: a number you know, one song on pop radio umber

739
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 11: and fourteen weeks at number one on AC and all

740
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 11: these formats that I didn't really listen to, and.

741
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: Other countries, to other countries like the thing.

742
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 11: It was so surreal. Yeah, and so you're right, like

743
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 11: I thought it would open all these doors in Nashville,

744
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 11: but really what happened was it was almost like all

745
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 11: these A and R people and people that had been

746
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 11: looking at me all these years, it was almost like

747
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 11: they're like, oh, see, she should have been doing that,

748
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 11: you know what I mean? It was it was and

749
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 11: it really kind of messed with me too, like, well,

750
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 11: maybe I should have been writing female songs all this time,

751
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 11: Like maybe, you know, it was a head trip and

752
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 11: it took two years. It was kind of this crash,

753
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 11: you know. It was like this high having the song

754
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 11: and then nothing else happened. And it was because that's

755
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 11: not the kind of writer I am, you know, because

756
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 11: they were Disney was like, you got to go to

757
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 11: l write, you know, I got to write with some

758
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 11: incredible LA writers. But I got out there, I was like,

759
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 11: this isn't I'm a Nashville songwriter.

760
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: What's the difference. A lot of friends go out and

761
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: there write in LA and they always come back and

762
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, and not for me, But what's the difference

763
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: in an LA right in the Nashville right?

764
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 11: I think it's just the like craftsmanship, you know, I'm

765
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 11: raised on hooks and you know, lyrics basically, I mean

766
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 11: that's everything for me, a lyric and out there it's like,

767
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 11: you know, you're bringing that to the party, but it's

768
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 11: all happening so fast, the way they write so different.

769
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 11: I'm very Sixteenth Avenue, you know, I grew up wanting

770
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 11: to be Harlan Howard and those kind of writers. So

771
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 11: I think they knew I was an imposter too.

772
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: You know, but they come here now because they want

773
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: to get away from that environment.

774
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 11: Yeah.

775
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 8: You know.

776
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: I remember Alo Black coming to the studio and he said,

777
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Alo at all. He said,

778
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: you know, he's an R and B singer, and he

779
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: was like, I came here because people really write songs here. Yeah,

780
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: And I think, and I'm just paraphrasing him, he's like,

781
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: in LA they just kind of turn out music. Yeah,

782
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: in Nashville, they write songs.

783
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 11: We craft We were craftsmen. I mean, we were making

784
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 11: the finest cabinet you can make of the finest shoes.

785
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 11: Like we don't We're going deeper than the surface. And

786
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 11: I respect pop music so much, like, you know, the

787
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 11: way what they can do with the melodies and tracks

788
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 11: and lyrics, but it's just, you know, I grew up

789
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 11: on country music and certain kinds of songs, so that's

790
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 11: my bar. And so what happened was I had to

791
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 11: reinvent myself, believe it or not, after twenty ten, going

792
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 11: into twenty eleven, after I'd had this huge song, I

793
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 11: had to re change everything. And that's when you know,

794
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 11: I was writing female songs. I wasn't get anything recorded,

795
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 11: and I remember thinking, I've got to just start writing

796
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 11: men's songs. It's really not that hard. I love men's songs.

797
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 11: I grew up on men's songs, you know. So my

798
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 11: first coming back to that was one of the first

799
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 11: co writes of that year. It was Rodney Clausen and

800
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 11: we wrote Drink on It, and that was I had

801
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 11: to prove myself why I'm a girl being in a

802
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 11: man's room.

803
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this one for a second. So

804
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: you're right, drink on It? And when do you know

805
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: that one? Blake has put it on hold because it's

806
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: a process. Put it on hold, then cut it. Then

807
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: it's a single, like walk me through those steps.

808
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 11: Okay, this is a great story. Actually, you know, me

809
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 11: and Blake Shelton have been friends for a long time,

810
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 11: but he's very cryptic and mysterious when he's when he's

811
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 11: going into cuts. So I didn't even know they cut

812
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 11: it until two days after they cut it.

813
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 5: Wow.

814
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 11: Really yes, And you know believe actually me and Rodney,

815
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 11: I mean we are We liked the song. We all

816
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 11: you know, have vibbed and stuff. But it wasn't like

817
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 11: that's a smash, you know. So we recorded it and

818
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 11: then he recorded it and they put it, yeah, you're

819
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 11: right hold, but it was still just like holds a hold.

820
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm sure you've heard that term. We say

821
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 11: it all the time, like I get holds, you know,

822
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 11: but cuts. It's a big leap between a hold and

823
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 11: a cut. And so he records it, and then I

824
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 11: was pregnant with our twins. He asked me to come

825
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 11: sing on it because I sang on the demo and

826
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 11: that was a really cool experience. And then the wait

827
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 11: is am I going to get a single? Because in

828
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 11: my world, if you don't have a single, then you know,

829
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 11: it's really hard to make a living now with you know,

830
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 11: a piracy and everything. So the day before I went

831
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 11: in to deliver the twins, I get an email from

832
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 11: Scott Hendricks, which is his producer and label head, and

833
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 11: he said, just want you to go in knowing that

834
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 11: you have the next Blake Shelton single. And so I

835
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 11: have brand new babies and I had a song go

836
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 11: number one for two weeks, one for each twin.

837
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 12: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

838
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 12: the Bobby Cast.

839
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Sarah Buxton talks about Keith Urban recording her song Stupid

840
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: Boy and how it changed her life.

841
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 13: And it was treated differently on the record. We cut

842
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 13: it with no click track, which is something you would

843
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 13: never do if it was going.

844
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 14: To be a single.

845
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: So you had a little more freedom, yeah, to go

846
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: your own way even in yeah, very small details, but

847
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: you weren't right on with how exactly it's supposed to

848
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: be right now.

849
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 13: I'll say Innocence is one that I feel like I

850
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 13: was being more authentic too, like that's an actual story

851
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 13: and it's like so, but yeah, I'm with you, like

852
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 13: Stupid Boy was totally There's just these songs that are gifts.

853
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 13: That's the kind of land and you don't really remember.

854
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 13: I mean, I can tell you, like the beginning of

855
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 13: how that song was written, but.

856
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious because you write it and then you

857
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: put it on your record and then did it until

858
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Keith Nicole and we'll get to that story in second,

859
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: until it was discovered and redone, like did it reach

860
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: its peak? It it was just a song that you were

861
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: proud of that existed and they kind of went away.

862
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 13: No, I I felt that it was really special, like

863
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 13: when I for me, like I felt like it was special.

864
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 14: For me, and then and then he.

865
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 13: Heard it like I I it was just special to me.

866
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: I knew.

867
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 13: I knew the day that I wrote it. I was like, damn,

868
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 13: I love this song. It was like a new a

869
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 13: new thing for me.

870
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: How did he hear it?

871
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 13: Well, Betsy Cook was her name at the time. Now

872
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 13: she has a different last name, and then her name

873
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 13: became Betsy McHugh. But she was working for Borman Keith's

874
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 13: manager at the time, and she's my age, really good

875
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 13: friend of mine, and we were just meeting. She says

876
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 13: that she played it for him on the bus. And

877
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 13: then I've heard Dan say that he played it for Keith,

878
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 13: so I'm not quite sure if we'd have to ask

879
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 13: Keith how he heard it. But I heard that Betsy

880
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 13: played it for him on the bus. And it wasn't

881
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 13: like do you want to cut this song? It was

882
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 13: like we I really want you to meet this girl,

883
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 13: because you know.

884
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: It wasn't even about the song exactly. It was about

885
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: the part.

886
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, and that was the song she picked play, So

887
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 13: it wasn't the ones they were thinking of as singles.

888
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 13: It was like just the one that she thought Keith

889
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 13: would like, well, imagine if I had approached everything that way.

890
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: But and the song probably that she thought best represented

891
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: to you as a person. Yes, you have written a

892
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: massive hit, right and it wasn't all of a sudden.

893
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: And that's what's funny is you wrote it, you recorded it,

894
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: you're proud of it, you love it. Yeah, then all

895
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden years later you have a massive hit

896
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: right now, does that change people's perception of you as

897
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: a songwriter in this town versus the artist? Only?

898
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 13: Oh, I was so lucky that that happened for the

899
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 13: longevity of like my life and just the way that

900
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 13: I'm happy where I'm at right now, and like that,

901
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 13: I would never be right exactly where I was if

902
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 13: that hadn't happened.

903
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: So, if I'm getting this right, you stayed and the

904
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: stars aligned over you.

905
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 14: Oh, by, that's amazing. Look how we just did that.

906
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm just all I'm doing iss And that that was

907
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: the stars doing what they're supposed to do, exactly in

908
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: the place that you're supposed to be living.

909
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: Right.

910
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: I was talking to Keith because Keith and I are friendly,

911
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: we're more than just acquaintances. But we don't hang he's

912
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: gone all the time, but we're friendly enough where we

913
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: can actually have a good conversation about microphones. Yeah exactly,

914
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: And so when we do have a microphone, he opens

915
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: up a little more. I feel because he trust that

916
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to take him somewhere he doesn't want

917
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: to go. We were talking about maybe it was take

918
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: you guess and take your for you doom You'll think

919
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: of me maybe that one, but no, it was a

920
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: fly whatever. One of his biggest songs are often the

921
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: ones that weren't number ones. Yeah, like his career biggest songs,

922
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: I think the songs that he is known for and

923
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: Stupid Boys one of them, Yeah, weren't number one songs.

924
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: I know that number one is a chart uh, it's

925
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: a business plan by a record label. But that doesn't

926
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: mean that these number two songs aren't heavier in people's hearts.

927
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, right exactly.

928
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: I know number two is that is not funny ironic

929
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: a bit.

930
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 13: Well, everybody was like, oh my god, like is it

931
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 13: ever gonna happen? When I finally got a number one,

932
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 13: they were like, oh my.

933
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: God, was it the fgl song without your first one Sundays?

934
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 13: To be honest, I don't know if it was that

935
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 13: one or fix.

936
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can tell you because I

937
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: had the years.

938
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: The question that I was going to ask you, it

940
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: kind of leads into where we are now. I mean,

941
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it before you came over. And

942
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: because you're wildly creative, do you ever go in and

943
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: let's say, just for the sake of this, the name

944
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: of the song is walking down the Street. Okay, you

945
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: go in, you say, I want to do the song

946
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: walking down the street. You guys write the song talk

947
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: about one day you walk down the street and you

948
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: ran into an old friend, and that old friend that

949
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: song over, and that song really doesn't nothing happens with it, right,

950
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not that great. Maybe it's cut by the

951
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: wrong person. If it gets cut, it off and you're like, well,

952
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: I like that idea, but what we did therewith it

953
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: wasn't right. So will you go into a room and

954
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: go have the song about walking down the street another room, yes,

955
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: another room with other people your same idea, but collaboration

956
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: with people that you work in different ways with. Yeah,

957
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: and then you present it to them an idea that

958
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: you thought may have worked over here almost still the

959
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: same idea to other people, and then it actually turned

960
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: into something. Has that ever happened with you?

961
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 14: Oh god, yes, yeah.

962
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 13: It's a thing about taking a title back and taking

963
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 13: a concept back. I think the way you have to

964
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 13: do it is just trust that you've put enough kindness

965
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 13: in the bank with people to be like, Okay, that

966
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 13: song that we wrote that is doing nothing, that hasn't

967
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 13: gotten cut and is just sitting there. I'm going to

968
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 13: take that title and you tell them.

969
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: Oh, you have to tell them. I think you need

970
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: to tell them because I would have called it bebopping

971
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: down the street. My second version was not a change of.

972
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 13: Slices, another way to do it. I've definitely done that.

973
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: So but there are times where you've not been satisfied

974
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: with the result of an idea for who it could

975
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: have been your fault to totally as much as anyone else's,

976
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: and you go, man, we just didn't hit it. I like,

977
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: I want to use this idea though again, and you

978
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: go to a different room with different people and work.

979
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: But you will say, hey, room ay that I got

980
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: to take it back. Are they usually receptive to that?

981
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 13: I mean most people are. I mean most people. I

982
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 13: work with are I'm sure there's people that aren't.

983
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: But I feel like I have one good idea. I

984
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: take it like thirty rooms, Yeah, same exact idea, and

985
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: I just take it over and over it all I

986
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: know I.

987
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 13: Took and I actually texted, and I'm kind of learning

988
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 13: not to do this.

989
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 14: I think the lesson is don't do this.

990
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 13: But like I texted a friend and was like, I

991
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 13: have a song I want to write with you.

992
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 14: It's called this and it's about without you.

993
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: Without you.

994
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no.

995
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 14: But then I get it.

996
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 13: But then but then you know, I don't have anything

997
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 13: scheduled with them, and then I'm actually tomorrow wanting to

998
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 13: go in and and so I had to text my

999
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 13: friend and go, I don't want you to think I'm

1000
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 13: cheating you, but I am taking that title back too,

1001
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 13: and he actually goes, oh, that's funny, because like, I

1002
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 13: just gave a title to so and so, and I

1003
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 13: think I'm going to take it back, and I was like,

1004
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 13: here's your chance.

1005
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: What I like about what you said earlier is if

1006
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: you have enough kindness in the bank, yeah, the people

1007
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: will give you grace quicker, yeah, and probably fuller than

1008
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: if you don't.

1009
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 14: I am learning that.

1010
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 13: That is, if you're generally pretty kind to people, like

1011
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 13: treat people well, let them know how much you love them,

1012
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 13: like when you see them, really let them know that

1013
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 13: you can. There's just more you can trust how much

1014
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 13: people love you. You can really trust it.

1015
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm not a big trust her, but I

1016
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: hear what you're saying. That's also why I'm going to therapy,

1017
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: Like have an hour.

1018
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 14: You can trust it.

1019
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: I am getting better.

1020
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 13: Yeah, you can, you really can. I encourage you to.

1021
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 13: But that doesn't mean like you can just.

1022
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: Go be don't worry.

1023
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 13: I won't awful, but I'm generally not going to be

1024
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 13: awful to something generally.

1025
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: But occasionally. This is Heather Morgan talking about writing Be

1026
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: to the Music and Lose My Mind with Brett Eldridge,

1027
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: which we're both number ones, and how she got her

1028
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: first number one with that song Beat to the Music.

1029
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 2: In this town. You're cool once things start to happen. Yeah,

1030
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: And once thing start to happen, people want to hang

1031
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: out with you. And then you're like, then I want

1032
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: to hang out because things are happening. We have people

1033
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: that you kind of struggled with. Yeah, you never have

1034
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: to worry about that.

1035
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 6: It's so funny.

1036
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 15: I mean though, I have this memory of walking down,

1037
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 15: walking down with these alleys on music grow because we couldn't,

1038
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 15: like the three of us couldn't get into a party,

1039
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 15: like nobody would let us in, and so we had

1040
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 15: to like we we just wanted to hang out at

1041
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 15: this old office building.

1042
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: Then.

1043
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure it was shocked to yoga.

1044
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah, right there in the organization's I go

1045
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: there sometimes?

1046
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 15: Okay, yeah, so you know exactly the alley I'm talking about.

1047
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 6: But like we like, we didn't have any money.

1048
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 15: I think Brett told the story at the Number one

1049
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 15: party for being the music that we all like pulled

1050
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 15: together like eight bucks and bought a bottle tequila and

1051
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 15: went to the empty publisher house and we were like, okay,

1052
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 15: we'll just hang out with each other. So I was like, yeah,

1053
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 15: I do remember that. I remember what I was.

1054
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: Wearing when you came to town. Would you say it

1055
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: was five or so?

1056
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1057
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: Who were the people that because everybody kind of has classes, Yeah,

1058
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: who came to town around the same time you came

1059
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: to town that you get to know still knew?

1060
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 15: Well, I would say, I feel like my class kind

1061
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 15: of turned out to be like John Knight and then

1062
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 15: Ross of course, and then Nicole Gallian.

1063
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 6: People that are still.

1064
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: Nichole's got a really good one of these two. If

1065
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: you're listening to this, Nicholes was.

1066
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 15: Really yeah, she was a great, great podcast just from

1067
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 15: early on. Those are the ones that I still like.

1068
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 15: See and then I met Jared a little bit later,

1069
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 15: but not too much later.

1070
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: Jared Johnson, Yeah, yeah, see American Bang or kind of

1071
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: like three or he.

1072
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 15: Was actually it was an American Bang when I met him. Yeah,

1073
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 15: And then I remember I just remember writing with him

1074
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 15: my first time to write with him, like amazing sunglasses on,

1075
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 15: he looks like he was a beatle kind of and

1076
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 15: then thinking like this guy, wow, he's like wait, how

1077
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 15: is how is this happening? Because he's so cool and

1078
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 15: IM girl from Texas And then we ended up hitting

1079
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 15: it off and we've been buddies ever since.

1080
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 6: I just I love how like he'll say anything yea

1081
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 6: to your face.

1082
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: Right we talked in here. They text me for like

1083
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: an hour calling me out on things right after were

1084
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: like I forgot to say this text yeah, but it's

1085
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: always I like consistent.

1086
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 6: People, yes, and he is that for sure.

1087
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: I know what to expect and I don't have to

1088
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: worry that you're pulling something over being a bad way.

1089
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: If I know, I can trust that you're going to

1090
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: always give me the same kind of person. Yeah, that's

1091
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: what I like about Jaron.

1092
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, like I can appreciate it.

1093
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: That's always the beat of the music. Was like the

1094
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: song of the Year that was.

1095
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 6: Very life changing.

1096
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 15: That was so crazy because I remember the year before

1097
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 15: for the b and Ile wor Words, I wrote Jody

1098
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 15: Williams an email telling him like it was almost it probably.

1099
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 6: Read like a school assignment.

1100
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 15: I was like, dear Jody, this is why I would

1101
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 15: love to be included in the b and I Awards

1102
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 15: because I wasn't getting one, And I wrote him a

1103
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 15: list of why I thought it might be good for

1104
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 15: my career just to get to be there for that,

1105
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 15: and he like gave me an extra ticket. That those

1106
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 15: things are kind of hard to get into, so he

1107
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 15: was really kind and gave me an extra ticket. And

1108
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 15: then the next year was like the first year to

1109
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 15: get an award, and then we won Song of the Year.

1110
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 15: So he afterwards he was like, well, that email you

1111
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 15: sent me last year, He's like, you really want ADID

1112
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 15: this year. But my sister came with me for that,

1113
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 15: and yeah, it was really awesome. I just remember somebody

1114
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 15: was talking to me when they were like about to

1115
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 15: announce it, and somebody else from the table like hit

1116
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 15: me and they were like you need to be watching.

1117
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 6: No, I didn't know.

1118
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 15: They were like they were like, make sure you have

1119
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 15: family there, and I was like, I'll bring my sister,

1120
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 15: like she'll have fun.

1121
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: She'll like you bring just and have family to have family, right, yeah,

1122
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: and if you lose someone that you're still.

1123
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, you're still totally. So it was those nights

1124
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 15: are so fun. But I remember like my hands wouldn't

1125
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 15: stop shaking. It was so weird, Like.

1126
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like this, I mean like why is

1127
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 6: where are my hands doing that? That's so weird?

1128
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: And did you get cooler around talent as far as

1129
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: we wanted to write with you? Oh God, Like did

1130
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: the calendar start to I feel.

1131
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 15: Like people gave me a shot that maybe didn't beforehand.

1132
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 15: And yeah, I do feel like there was a shift.

1133
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 15: I don't know if I got cooler, I'm for sure,

1134
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 15: but I do feel like some more opportunities came along

1135
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 15: and it was just I think it was just nice.

1136
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 15: Somebody said something really cool to me. It was actually

1137
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 15: at a Christmas party at Jaron's house. It was this guy,

1138
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 15: Mark Beeson, who's an amazing writer, and he said, he said,

1139
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 15: your first hit song represents all the songs that you

1140
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 15: wrote before that. It's just like a culmination of all

1141
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 15: the work you fit in, all the risks taking you did,

1142
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 15: like all the times you showed up.

1143
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 6: That's what it also means.

1144
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 15: So he just wanted to make sure like I understood

1145
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 15: that angle on it, and it was I don't.

1146
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 6: It was so cool to hear that.

1147
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 15: Because you never know, like we wrote a beach song

1148
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 15: in January one year and it ended up being that

1149
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 15: so so yeah, it was really cool. But I did

1150
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 15: feel like, okay, like a big exhale moment, I'm the

1151
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 15: other cool thing. And I think that was fun that

1152
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 15: somebody described the moment as Matt Jenkins said this, Sorry Matt,

1153
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 15: I'm quoting you. Ben he said, it's like he was like,

1154
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 15: as a guy, it's like the first time you have

1155
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 15: to kiss a girl, you just like want to get

1156
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 15: it over with having a hit song.

1157
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 6: He's like, now like I kiss the girl.

1158
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 15: Basically that is what he said, and I don't take

1159
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 15: that out of that's gonna sound funky now.

1160
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: That we'll quote you in the next one.

1161
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 16: Great.

1162
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question about this, because I

1163
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: remember talking about this on the radio show. So this

1164
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: is Brett and this is the normal, and this is

1165
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: so I don't even know what happened with this, did you?

1166
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1167
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're all on there. Yeah, they're all on there.

1168
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 10: They didn't.

1169
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 6: Luckily, they're like kind because they were like, what what

1170
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 6: It's a country song and so.

1171
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 15: Many people have used that line. We were like the

1172
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 15: thousandth people.

1173
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: But the success is that? What bred the Hey, oh wow,

1174
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: we need to get this song.

1175
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 15: Well, it kind of happened in the room and I

1176
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 15: remember having that moment of like this was that on

1177
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 15: that or was it not? And then later we were

1178
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 15: at some event where Brett's team from Warner Brothers was

1179
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 15: there and they were like, Hey, we're working on the

1180
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 15: line from the song was leased my mind and I

1181
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 15: was like, Okay. Some NYU professor was like looking at it.

1182
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: What on that line? They wanted to change it?

1183
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 15: They wanted to change it or they wanted to figure

1184
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 15: out like how much of that of the song was

1185
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 15: I guess percentages or something, and so I was like, well.

1186
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 6: That's those are the professionals, Like, we'll just leave it

1187
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 6: to that, hope. So they only they didn't get a

1188
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 6: lot of it.

1189
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: It really like.

1190
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 15: And the funny thing is there's two guys, So it's

1191
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 15: Celo Green in Danger Mouse and Danger Mouse, which so

1192
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 15: it's so cool meazing, it's a weird situation. And then

1193
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 15: the two other guys are actually two guys that Nonals

1194
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 15: Barkley borrowed from, so they're like the original people that

1195
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 15: created something. And then nonals Barkley borrowed from so ce

1196
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 15: Lo and Thang your Mouth borrowed from them.

1197
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: Just that one part of it though, so well, I guess.

1198
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 15: For the Narals Barkley song maybe somehow, so somehow, it's

1199
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 15: all there's like three different compositions, if you want to say, professionally,

1200
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 15: Like the other thing is like an Italian musical from

1201
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 15: the sixties.

1202
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 6: I'm not kidding. Somebody came up to me at the

1203
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 6: Bluebird and they're like, do you know the history of

1204
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 6: your own song? And I was like, apparently not. I've

1205
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 6: nobody's ever shared that with me. So the two other

1206
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 6: guys have.

1207
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 15: An Italian last name, and I don't even I don't

1208
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 15: know anything about them, but I do know that because it.

1209
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 6: Was number one.

1210
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 15: We got a we wont to Pop Award in London

1211
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 15: last year because of it. But just based on like

1212
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 15: the math of it, did that cost you a.

1213
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: Lot of money? Haven't add all them.

1214
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 6: Kind of because again, yeah, I mean not not as

1215
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 6: much as it could have been.

1216
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 15: It could have been like really hurtful, but it ended

1217
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 15: up were I'm not like crying every time a check

1218
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 15: comes in because they have most of it or anything

1219
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 15: like that.

1220
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird. And in Nashville the writing for

1221
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: the most part is different than in Los Angeles.

1222
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they can get down.

1223
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: If it's three people, it's thirty three thirty three.

1224
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know how they do that.

1225
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 15: That makes me so like, that makes me nervous for people,

1226
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 15: because I don't know how you decide, like do you

1227
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 15: have to have like a class monitor that's like someone's like, no,

1228
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 15: you you have five words and he has seven.

1229
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: So here's something you may not know about Nicole Gallion.

1230
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: She was actually on the second season of the Voice

1231
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: with ray Lynn. Nicole told us how a singing competition

1232
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: show kick started her songwriting career. It's tougher for women

1233
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: right now because stopped building the farm system first of all,

1234
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: when it was all dudes all the time. They stop

1235
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: even cultivating from the bottom of building females to even

1236
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: get to radio. So radio's kind of waiting on the

1237
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: minor leagues to give us these artists. But record it

1238
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: was just stop making females a priority. So here we

1239
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: are again, and radio is struggling to find these females

1240
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: to put on, and it's harder and harder to find them.

1241
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: And ballads are hard because everybody's so add and if

1242
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: something slow on the radio, like even research goes if

1243
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: something slow, boom, they change it because it's like a again,

1244
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: it's a female and it's a ballady song. If it

1245
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: had been a male, it would have been it had

1246
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: been a hit. Well, because it's such a good song

1247
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: and it's not even a dig at ray lns. Ray

1248
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: Link can sing her brains out, and she sings it wonderfully,

1249
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: and I just felt like it was such a good song.

1250
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 2: And I and I saw a couple weeks ago whenever

1251
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: they stopped promote, and I was like, oh, that sucks,

1252
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 2: because any other scenario, you give it to a dude,

1253
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: and that's probably man.

1254
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 6: I've never even thought.

1255
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 16: I guess I've just been so wrapped up and that

1256
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 16: is her, that's her story that I never thought of

1257
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 16: it as a song that from even a pitching standpoint

1258
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 16: of who could sing it and what would it be

1259
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 16: if someone else did it?

1260
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: And to me it wasn't even a pitching thing. It

1261
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: was just that's so good. I think that people and

1262
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: I again, I'm on the radio, but I'm still so

1263
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: anti the establishment of radio that I think you have

1264
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: a lot of program directors that are like, well, it's

1265
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: slow and it's female. It's got two strikes against it already,

1266
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: so as soon as there's a bomb, we're gonna goea

1267
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: and pull out of it.

1268
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 16: What's so crazy, though, is like those are the songs that,

1269
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 16: when they do get through, they are song of the year.

1270
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 16: They're the songs that our industry puts on a pedestal

1271
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 16: in such a highway. So it's it's like you got

1272
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 16: to swing for the fences occasionally, not like not every

1273
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 16: day am I gonna be willing to write. I'm not

1274
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 16: gonna write a hundred songs a year about divorce and

1275
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 16: ballads for girls, you know, but when the song presents itself,

1276
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 16: you owe it to the idea and you owe it

1277
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 16: to the artist and the to make it the best

1278
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 16: that it can be, even if it doesn't make sense

1279
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 16: for even if radio doesn't understand.

1280
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say I love the song.

1281
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: I always loved the song. I loved it from the

1282
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: first time I heard. I was like, holy cow, that

1283
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: song speaks to people, you know, and I think a

1284
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: lot of people will understand it. And I just felt

1285
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: crappy for it whenever they quit on it. And it

1286
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: wasn't even their fault for quitting on it, because it

1287
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: was people wouldn't they weren't playing it and it two

1288
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: strikes again one strike and being a ballad, I think

1289
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: it would have made it.

1290
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 16: I you know, I think that song like really helped

1291
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 16: show the evolution, you know, like as I said earlier,

1292
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 16: like the purposes of songs that helps rebrand her, you know,

1293
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 16: and show her evolve into something new, and hopefully that

1294
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 16: will just be, if nothing else, a gateway into who

1295
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 16: she is now.

1296
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: You know, you wrote a lot with her on her

1297
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: last record, which is wild Horse, Wildhorse, Go for Memory.

1298
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: How many songs did you I had eight songs on there,

1299
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: So you guys just sat and wrote, did you write

1300
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 2: purposely to write a record with her?

1301
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 16: No, it just happened, But it happen been like three

1302
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 16: or four years ago. It happened around the time that

1303
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 16: I told you, like Miranda started hearing songs I was writing.

1304
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 16: We wrote all those songs love Turn. All those songs

1305
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 16: are four years old. We wrote like probably eighty percent

1306
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 16: of her record, me and Jimmy Robins and Ray Like

1307
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 16: in probably a nine month period.

1308
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 6: We just kind of had that.

1309
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 16: There was like a season where we all just kind

1310
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 16: of clicked and I think it started to feel like

1311
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 16: an album to us then, But we didn't know that

1312
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 16: it would be three or four years before she would

1313
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 16: get a real shot and really get to put it

1314
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 16: out as it is.

1315
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 6: And then we ended up co producing it.

1316
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 16: I don't know if you know that, but I actually

1317
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 16: got to co produce the record, which when was the

1318
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 16: last time a female ever got to co produce anything.

1319
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 16: So I'm super proud of a lot of things beyond

1320
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 16: radio success with that project. For me, from my standpoint,

1321
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 16: how did you guys become friends? Because I was on

1322
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 16: the voice with her the same year. Really, Yeah, just

1323
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 16: what season was that?

1324
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 6: Season two?

1325
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was early wow. Yeah, and it's so

1326
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: you're not a singer.

1327
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 16: Around a minute ago I left out there's there are

1328
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 16: a lot of gaps in the story, which you know,

1329
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 16: which we've jumped around, but like if you heard it

1330
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 16: all chronologically, it would make sense. But you know, I

1331
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 16: had had a publishing deal for probably three four or

1332
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 16: five years at that point, wasn't having any success, and

1333
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 16: I kept getting feedback from like A and R at labels.

1334
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 16: When they'd pitch my songs, they'd be like, oh, that's

1335
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 16: an a cool song, that's an a cool song. And

1336
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 16: I was getting to be a better singer because I

1337
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 16: was singing every day and I had gotten the bravery

1338
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 16: to do it, you know, and I was recording in

1339
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 16: the like I got. I was so late to the game.

1340
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 16: All these girls grew up making demos in the studio

1341
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 16: when they're twelve, and I was like learning, at like

1342
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 16: twenty three how to do this. And so I was

1343
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 16: kind of like, well, screw it, I'm not getting nobody's

1344
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 16: cutting my songs. Maybe I'm supposed to make a record

1345
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 16: and because in it, but it was never like I

1346
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 16: want to perform, I want to sing. I just I

1347
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 16: want my songs out there. So I kind of was

1348
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 16: working with a manager for a minute, trying to get

1349
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 16: my house in order to approach labels, and then this

1350
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 16: manager sits me down like you're not an artist. You're

1351
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 16: never going to be an artist. You're going to be

1352
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 16: a successful songwriter, but you're not an artist. But through

1353
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 16: that process, people had started to brand me more as

1354
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 16: like a girl that wanted a record deal, and so

1355
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 16: I got referred to try out for the voice and.

1356
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: As a ringer. Kind of bad friends that have been

1357
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: ringers on the show. I have a bunch of friends

1358
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: that have been like they recruit I say ring Yeah.

1359
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 16: Well it was so early on it wasn't quite as

1360
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 16: strategic as it probably is now because it was so

1361
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 16: fresh the show that season was kind of just ending,

1362
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 16: and they were like, well, the show's blowing up, like

1363
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 16: would you want to do this? And it was the

1364
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 16: It was like the perfect time to get to do it,

1365
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 16: you know.

1366
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 6: But I didn't make it very far. I didn't.

1367
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 16: I was only on a couple episodes. But I had

1368
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 16: actually written with Ray this girl Rachel Woodward at the time.

1369
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 16: Two days before that audition, not the one that you

1370
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 16: see on TV, but like the audition to like to

1371
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 16: sing here in Nashville, like the preferred kind of thing.

1372
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 16: And I met her and I was like, are you

1373
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 16: in town this week? Because at the time, she's like sixteen?

1374
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 16: And I was like, are you in town by chance?

1375
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 16: Because you're trying out for the voice? And she's like no,

1376
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 16: And I was like, you have to do it.

1377
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 6: You are made for TV.

1378
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: Wait, so you convinced ray Lynn to try out for

1379
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: the voice?

1380
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 16: And I met her before she was ray Lynn and

1381
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 16: told her to try it for the voice. We both

1382
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 16: ended up trying out and made it. And then I

1383
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 16: was kind of like like while we were on the show,

1384
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 16: she was a minor, and so like during production, like

1385
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 16: she always had to have a parent with her, and

1386
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 16: so like there would be days that like her mom

1387
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 16: flew out in the morning and then her dad didn't

1388
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 16: get there till the night. So production would call and say, hey,

1389
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 16: ray wants to go to the mall. We can't leave.

1390
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 16: Could she hang with you today? I was like her

1391
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 16: big sister slash mom, and so you know, and we

1392
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 16: just I don't know, I just to be honest, I

1393
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 16: think I was becoming like a mother. I think I

1394
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 16: was kind of getting the bug to be a mom myself.

1395
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 16: And she was like a little kid and so cuddly

1396
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 16: and just she just has this childlike thing about her.

1397
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 16: And I was like, took her under my wing and

1398
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 16: we just had this bond. So when we came back

1399
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 16: from filming the show before they had before it started

1400
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 16: air on TV, I knew that she was like a

1401
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 16: front runner, and I knew that Blake and Miranda had

1402
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 16: basically adopted her. And I was like, we need to write,

1403
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 16: Like you need to be writing right now because you

1404
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 16: need to have songs before you get a record deal,

1405
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 16: and when you walk in you need to have as

1406
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 16: much to say before they tell you what to say.

1407
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 16: So I was just writing with her, and that's where

1408
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 16: I was like, Hey, Natalie, I got this girl. So

1409
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 16: if you go back into my story, you take out

1410
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 16: the voice, everything's different from me. I'm not saying I

1411
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 16: wouldn't have found some success eventually, but the voice has

1412
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 16: nothing to do with songwriting, and it literally is one

1413
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 16: of the most crucial parts of my story.

1414
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 6: It's still insane to.

1415
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: Me because of Ray, because of Natalie, because of Moranda.

1416
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: That Domino all the way through.

1417
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, it means it very odd.

1418
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: The voice was the Butterfly and your Butterfly effect.

1419
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 16: It was when I came back from that show, everything

1420
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 16: started clicking, even outside of the stuff that we've talked about,

1421
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 16: Like I was like a different writer.

1422
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 6: It is so weird.

1423
01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Hang ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. This

1424
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: is the Bobby Cast.

1425
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: This is Jesse Joe Dillon talking about finding out that

1426
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: Justin Bieber was going to be on the song ten

1427
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: thousand Hours with Dan and Shay, a song that she

1428
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: had written, and then how people treat her differently because

1429
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: of her dad's a very famous songwriter, Dean Dylon ten

1430
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: thousand hours, which is hours. You know, I know Dan

1431
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: and Shape rather well. We moved down about the same time.

1432
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: I have friends a long time, and you know that

1433
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,919
Speaker 2: song by itself was going to be amazing. Anyway, Yes,

1434
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 2: when you heard that Bieber was going to get.

1435
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 8: On it, I mean sometimes I still can't believe it,

1436
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 8: and the way that it happened is a memory I

1437
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 8: just never will forget. I was in New York with Alex,

1438
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 8: my publisher, doing a some kind of panel, Grammy panel

1439
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 8: maybe and Dan, I like posted something on my story

1440
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 8: and he responded to it and was like, Yo, are

1441
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 8: you in New York? I really want to see you today?

1442
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 8: And I was like, yeah, I'm with Alex. Let's all

1443
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 8: meet up. So we ended up going to this like

1444
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 8: sports bar and some guys were watching games or something,

1445
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 8: and then he was like, hey, we got to go

1446
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 8: back to my hotel. I want to play you something.

1447
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 8: I had no idea they'd even cut the song. I'm

1448
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 8: assuming at this point though, I'm like, oh, maybe they

1449
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 8: cut ten thousand hours, Oh.

1450
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: My gosh, and yes, got it.

1451
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 8: So we get to the hotel where I was standing

1452
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 8: in this room che Alex, Mike and Dan, and he's like,

1453
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 8: guess who's on ten thousand hours with us? And I

1454
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 8: was like who and he said Justin Bieber and it

1455
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 8: was like, shut up, that is ridiculous. I was like,

1456
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 8: for real, though, I want to hear it, and he

1457
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 8: was like no, he's really on the song, and I

1458
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 8: was like, I was a dude, no, blah blah blah.

1459
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 8: I did not believe him. And finally he just put

1460
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 8: headphones on my head and it already sounded so great

1461
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 8: from the top. I was like tearing up. And then

1462
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 8: when he started singing. I mean I just cried. I mean,

1463
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 8: there's like video of it wherever we're all freaking out,

1464
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 8: but it is like one of my favorite memories. I

1465
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 8: still can't believe it, really, I don't.

1466
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: Think sometimes is that like a different ballpark financially when

1467
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: it goes pop?

1468
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 8: Yes, for sure, and that song, Like Hardy even texted

1469
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 8: me when they were just in Australia and he was like, bro.

1470
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 4: I'm in this coffee shop and they're playing ten thousand Hours.

1471
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 4: It's crazy just because it's like, actually I think it's

1472
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 4: New Zealand. It wasn't even.

1473
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 8: Australia because it's been out a while now, and that's

1474
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 8: a difference. I think too that having someone like Justin

1475
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 8: on a song, it becomes so international where country I

1476
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 8: mean maybe some country stuff does that. I had never

1477
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 8: had country stuff that did that. But it definitely is

1478
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 8: different money wise. If you get on a pop chart.

1479
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 2: Is there a song that obviously another artist is known for.

1480
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: They may have written with you, or you may have

1481
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: written it and then it got to them. But it's

1482
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: very personal to you, but it's just somebody else singing it,

1483
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: oh yeah, meaning it's about your thoughts not just because

1484
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: you're so close to it, because you wrote it how

1485
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: you're feeling. But I mean, it's like if you were

1486
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: singing a song and heavy, the song you would sing

1487
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: because it really represents who you are.

1488
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 4: I think.

1489
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 8: Actually a Brandy. You haven't heard it yet, but she

1490
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 8: we wrote a song just the two of us. That's

1491
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 8: she put out a month ago. Maybe it's called Buried.

1492
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 8: We wrote it last year, I think in the spring.

1493
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 8: Just at her, that is a song. It's hard for

1494
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 8: me to listen to that song because I had gone

1495
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 8: through a really brutal breakup. Is completely gutting to me,

1496
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 8: and it's still hard for me to She sounds amazing.

1497
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 8: I mean, the way they recorded her vocals even was

1498
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 8: a really cool thing that Brandy Carlile did. But it's

1499
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 8: that one's really hard because it feels so personal.

1500
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 4: That it makes me. I don't know that one's hard.

1501
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 4: What do you do you do?

1502
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: The song right rounds?

1503
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 4: I don't.

1504
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 8: I'm kind of like, I'm kind of shy, and I

1505
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 8: even coming in here today, I was nervous, to be honest.

1506
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: Now though, yes, yeah I'm super warm, right.

1507
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 8: Yeah you are, like yeah, yeah, yes you are. But

1508
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 8: I get I get a rash. I might even have

1509
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 8: it right now when I get hot or nervous. I

1510
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 8: remember when I was trying to get a publishing deal

1511
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 8: back when I was like twenty one, I had. I

1512
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 8: was sitting across from frank Lydell playing songs on my

1513
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 8: guitar and I went into the bathroom and it was

1514
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,839
Speaker 8: so bad, Like I was like, he probably didn't hear anything.

1515
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 7: I just did.

1516
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 4: He watched this rash crawl up me like.

1517
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 8: I'm the fucking walking dead or something like she So,

1518
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 8: I hate the long story.

1519
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 4: Short rounds kind of scared you.

1520
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 2: But because I've never seen you play around and now

1521
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: that I go to many of them now, but I've

1522
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: been a few, and I've played in a you. I

1523
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: do some of my comedy stuff, yes, but I never

1524
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: played with you or seen you play one.

1525
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 8: I know, maybe I need to make myself to Chase

1526
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 8: actually texted me the other day about doing private stuff

1527
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 8: and he was like, dude, like, come on, let's just

1528
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 8: go do it together like.

1529
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 4: Jesse and Jr. And we make money whatever, and it's

1530
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 4: really good to get over.

1531
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 8: I know.

1532
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 4: That's what he said.

1533
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 2: You have big songs. You have really big songs and

1534
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: a lot of them. It's really good, easy money. Hard

1535
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: to get those offers, right, it's really.

1536
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: If that's what he I know. And have you ever

1537
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 4: taken beta blockers?

1538
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: No, you probably have thought about it. Me too for

1539
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: golf though, because I.

1540
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 4: Can you get too Dutch, that's your nerve wracking.

1541
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: Like I can walk out on stage do a bunch

1542
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: of new comedy for two thousand people. I know some

1543
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: of us gonna bomb. That's okay. I'm not nervous. I

1544
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: can do radio, be on live TV, whatever, all good

1545
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: because I've playne it and I've failed some many times.

1546
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: I know the worst case is going to happen. I

1547
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: can get through it, no big deal. I like, if

1548
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm playing golf, yeah, it sucks because I'm like, I'm

1549
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 2: shaky as crap. Yes, so I've thought about that. Are

1550
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 2: you thinking about taking one for oh?

1551
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 8: For that, I've thought about it because it's it's not

1552
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 8: like Xanax, right, No, we were messes you up, okay,

1553
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 8: because I saw it literally on the Kardashians or something

1554
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 8: I think where they were like just take a Bana blocker,

1555
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 8: and I was like, what is that? And then I

1556
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 8: looked into it and now I'm like maybe I can

1557
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 8: do that to play more so I don't.

1558
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: Get a rash or just go xanax fulls had full, drink.

1559
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 4: Some whiskey, A good scene. Yeah, I'll be like my

1560
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 4: dad in the eighties.

1561
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: I saw a TikTok of your dad. It was so funny.

1562
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: By the way, I was talking about on the show

1563
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: like two weeks ago, where he was talking about he

1564
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: does a whole lead in about it he hates funny songs,

1565
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 2: and then he goes out property. Yeah, so so funny,

1566
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: such a funny He's up there just you know, singing,

1567
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: playing and then he's like, I hate funny songs, and

1568
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: George Strait called and and then here, well this a

1569
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: song paying me a lot of money, so I'm doing

1570
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 2: And so I just thought it was so fun growing

1571
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: up in a house where your dad that's I mean,

1572
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 2: he celebrated for it. Not only does he do it,

1573
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: but he celebrated for it. Did you always know that's

1574
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: what you wanted to do?

1575
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 4: I think yes, but I didn't want to want to

1576
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 4: do it.

1577
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 8: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, Derek Wells, I don't know.

1578
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 8: You probably know Derek guitar player. He amazing guitar playary.

1579
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 8: He and I talked about it a lot, because we

1580
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 8: had a similar upbringing that way, with his mom being

1581
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 8: a great singer, his dad and step jobbing great guitar players.

1582
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 8: But I tried so hard to not want to write,

1583
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 8: and eventually I just I actually moved to California for

1584
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 8: a year after high school just to get away from

1585
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 8: where I was from, really and like to run from it.

1586
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 8: At yes, and I was working and I met this

1587
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 8: lady that Kathleen Carry. She was at Sony ATV at

1588
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 8: the time, and I would I would go play her songs.

1589
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 8: And finally one day and I had not talked to

1590
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 8: my dad about it at all, like I don't think

1591
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 8: i'd played him any thing I'd done at all at

1592
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 8: that point. And one day I was in their meeting

1593
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 8: with her and she was looked at me and was like,

1594
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 8: go home. I was like, dang, emilin, that's me. Like

1595
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 8: about I was thinking, like she'd like a song or something,

1596
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 8: and she's like, no, I mean you write country songs

1597
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 8: and you're good at it. I don't care who your

1598
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 8: dad is, I don't care which complexes. Go try and

1599
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 8: figure it out. And so then I tried to do that.

1600
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't think about the complex part of

1601
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 2: it because that's heavy.

1602
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's still I mean, there's still sometimes that

1603
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 8: I don't know, it's weird. I think I'll think about

1604
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 8: being like Sean Lennon or someone like that.

1605
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 2: Jacob Dylan.

1606
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 4: I don't even know what you do with that.

1607
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 8: I really don't, you know, because I'm old enough now

1608
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 8: where it's not really it's not really that.

1609
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of my dad and I don't even

1610
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: think about your dad when I think about you. That's

1611
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: so nice, and I don't know that I would have

1612
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: gotten over to him. But you mentioned your dad in

1613
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: the eighties. I was like, oh, yeah, I just watch

1614
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: a TikTok by him. Yes, So that put me there.

1615
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 2: But I don't think. I don't. I don't. I don't

1616
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: know that I would or would, but I don't. I

1617
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: don't think about you and that being your dad when

1618
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: I think about you. I don't know if that matters

1619
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: to you.

1620
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 4: It matters a lot to me, especially coming from me,

1621
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it does matter.

1622
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: I don't know it. To me, I know it, but

1623
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: I don't associate those two.

1624
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 8: I think it would matter to him even too, because

1625
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 8: he I know he always was like, you've got to stop.

1626
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 4: But when I was really young, because.

1627
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 8: I had people be shitty to me for what reason

1628
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 8: for being like his kid and I really went existing.

1629
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 4: Well just that they it was either the attitude of.

1630
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 8: She's probably not going to be good, she's only doing

1631
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 8: this because god he's and I went out of my

1632
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 8: way to not have my dad be affiliated with me

1633
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 8: trying to get a deal or anything. I just kind

1634
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 8: of tried. I was so conscious of him and what

1635
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 8: other people would think that, so that was hurtful. And

1636
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 8: then I will never forget I had to write with

1637
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 8: a guy I had idolized most of my life early

1638
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 8: on in getting a deal, and he was such a

1639
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 8: dick to me, and I couldn't figure out during the

1640
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 8: first part of the rite what was going on. And

1641
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,560
Speaker 8: then he started saying things about my dad and I

1642
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 8: was saying, Oh, he has weird beef with my dad,

1643
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 8: so I guess he's going to take it out on me.

1644
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 8: And it was just such a bummer of like the

1645
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 8: dometer Heroes kind of moment. I'll still have things certain times,

1646
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 8: not often, but I'll think with some of the older

1647
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 8: cats who are like a lot of the people I

1648
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 8: respect the most that I'll think. I wonder if this

1649
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 8: has something to do with my dad versus me.

1650
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1651
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: Emily wise Band is a Grammy winning writer on Hillary

1652
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: Scott's I Will, and she also crossed over into the

1653
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 2: pop world by writing a song for a Camilla Caveo.

1654
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 2: Here's a clip of Emily talking about getting super vulnerable

1655
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: writing the song consequences. If I were to make a

1656
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: top three or four and it's tough, he's unreal, but

1657
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: it's Shay from Dan and Shay. Lauren would be up there.

1658
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: Danielle would be up there and like someone that make

1659
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: Stableton can really sing, but his is so distinct and

1660
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: that makes him one of But I would guess pure

1661
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: vocalists like who do you? Who am I missing? I

1662
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: would put Danielle, Shay and Lauren up there.

1663
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I think the cool thing about country

1664
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 17: music is that everybody. I love artists. When you can

1665
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 17: listen to them and you're like, whether they have runs

1666
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 17: for days or not, it's like, oh and that's so

1667
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 17: and so, like you can tell just about it.

1668
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 2: Best vocalists, best vocalist, pure vocal Carrie say Carrie, I

1669
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: mean Carry's like alien, I say with Carry once and

1670
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what, this is not even real?

1671
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 17: Well, yes, she's so amazing, But I personally am a

1672
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 17: fan of people who have like cool voices, Like I

1673
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 17: love ray Lynn's voice.

1674
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 2: I think it's like a cool voice. But you didn't

1675
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 2: give me a chance to pick cool voices. I just said,

1676
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: best pure vocalist.

1677
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 17: Yeah, best pure vocalists I think are cool.

1678
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: Difficult things gonna go no.

1679
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 17: I mean, Shaye's incredible, Danielle is incredible. I love writing

1680
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 17: with Danielle. I loved writing with Lauren so much because

1681
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 17: if you thought it, she could sing it.

1682
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1683
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: So it was like, you wrote next boyfriend with Lauren?

1684
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1685
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: Right, what's it like? And I wrote a kid song

1686
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: with Lauren on my kids record. Yeah, and I because

1687
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 2: and I had to sing. And I'm not a good singer.

1688
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm an I can sing funny that that's about it.

1689
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: But Lauren would sing and she'd write and she would

1690
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: see she'd do I was like, Lauren, I can't do that.

1691
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: You got to write back into where I can sing

1692
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: because she was so good just even writing. Yeah, Lauren's

1693
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 2: so good. What was my point was? I going with this.

1694
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: You remember I felt like I had something good to say?

1695
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: Always pretty good? Uh, Kamila Cobeoh you wrote Consequences?

1696
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 4: I did? Yeah?

1697
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: Would you write that.

1698
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 17: It's a bonus?

1699
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: I wrote with a bonus, It's like your word.

1700
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1701
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 17: But like, I just love what I do so much.

1702
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 17: I'm really not shitting you, Like I really just like

1703
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 17: me too.

1704
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: I love what I do, right, I love it. But

1705
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: I should get paid too, because I'm creating something that

1706
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: people buy and you do.

1707
01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 17: And it's great.

1708
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 2: But I get so paid for that song.

1709
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 17: I mean I wrote it with Nicole Yay and and Amy.

1710
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 2: Watch who's Amy you wrote? How do on Amy? Watch

1711
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 2: what else?

1712
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 17: Amy wrote? Thinking out Loud by Ed Sheer, And she's

1713
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 17: like this dope lady. She's got like covered in tats,

1714
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 17: like short, cool hair, a couple kids, like super chill.

1715
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 17: It was really really cool.

1716
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: Reminds me of like Laura Velts.

1717
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 17: Yeah, she definitely has like a British Laura Velt's vibe.

1718
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: How do you get it involved in a write like

1719
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: this kind of out of this Nashville world?

1720
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 6: Oh?

1721
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 17: I guess you drip and fall into it. I I

1722
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 17: don't know how we got hooked up with Amy. I

1723
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 17: write with Nicole a lot. I love writing the Nicoles.

1724
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 17: She's one of my faves.

1725
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 5: And so.

1726
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 17: My sister probably is pretty good at making me the

1727
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 17: shittiest writer in the room.

1728
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: And your sister because actually works with you or she does.

1729
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, she manages me and she is the veep of

1730
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 17: my publishing company that I'm signed to you. So it's

1731
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 17: just so cool having something like that in my corner

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 17: all the time. But yeah, I got setups right and

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01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 17: Amy and I almost didn't go that day, honestly because

1734
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 17: I'm like, tell all, queen, I'll tell anybody anything. You

1735
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 17: can ask me my deepest, stark as secret, and I

1736
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 17: would probably tell you right now. But I just some

1737
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 17: stuff had gone down the day before we wrote that.

1738
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 17: I just have you ever been in a blind rage?

1739
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 14: No?

1740
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 17: Well, I wasn't a blind rage. It was like a

1741
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 17: blind shame. I was really ashamed of some stuff that

1742
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 17: I have app that I had happened the day before,

1743
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 17: And so I almost didn't want to go because I

1744
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 17: knew my big fat mouth the second I opened it,

1745
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 17: I would tell them everything, and I was like, this

1746
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 17: one thing I'm not telling anybody. So I remember I

1747
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 17: went in at like noon or one. It was like

1748
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 17: an afternoon, right, and I had never met Amy, and

1749
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 17: neither I had Nicole.

1750
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 8: And we go in and.

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01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 17: They started talking to each other like Hi, nice to

1752
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 17: meet you, blah blah blah. So I have this one

1753
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 17: idea and they're going through it and I'm just sitting there.

1754
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 17: I remember staring at these piano keys, like there's no

1755
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 17: way in hell I can stay here, Like I can't

1756
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 17: write today, this is not gonna happen. I'm like praying

1757
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 17: to God to get me out there, like the power

1758
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 17: go out or something. I'm like about to text my

1759
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 17: sister to tell her, like to call me in thirty

1760
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 17: and like she's stranding on the side of the road.

1761
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 17: I gotta go get her. And I just start praying.

1762
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 17: I'm like, God, get me out of here. I can't

1763
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 17: tell these girls, like what's going on with me? And

1764
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 17: I just heard these three words in my head and

1765
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 17: like I'm not a hippitye depity person, but like I

1766
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 17: definitely they definitely weren't me. And I do believe in

1767
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 17: something bigger than me happening all the time. So I

1768
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 17: just heard these three words and it was be a writer,

1769
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 17: and I thought freaking shit because now I have to

1770
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 17: tell them, because that's what being a writer is, you know.

1771
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 17: It's like sacrificing your pride and your privacy to like

1772
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 17: say what other people can't. And I'm a total like

1773
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 17: my shame isn't my shame, it's like everybody's shame. And

1774
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 17: I just kind of live that way, like with everything,

1775
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 17: you know.

1776
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 4: So I was like, guys, I gonna tell you something,

1777
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: and I'm like sobbing my eyes out.

1778
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 17: Amy probably thought I was a freaking nuts. Nicole's just

1779
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 17: like it's okay. And I tell them, and I'm like,

1780
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 17: I have this idea, but like we don't have to

1781
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 17: write it, like don't write it out of pity, Like

1782
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 17: I don't want this to be a pity, right, But

1783
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 17: I have this idea of consequences. It'd be like loving

1784
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 17: you at consequences whatever. And they're like, okay. We wrote

1785
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 17: the song in like forty five minutes and then we

1786
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 17: voice mombed it and I didn't think twice about it.

1787
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 17: And then at the time, I was dating another writer

1788
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 17: in town, Josh Kerr, So I was like, hey, babe,

1789
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 17: will you do this demo for me? Just piana vocal

1790
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 17: real quick, and he said sure, So I did it.

1791
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 17: I sent it to Amy and she called us like

1792
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 17: a week later and said, hey, I hope you don't.

1793
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 17: I hope y'all don't mind. But I sent this song

1794
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 17: to Ed Sheeran and I was like, no, I'm pissed

1795
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 17: at you, and she said he loves it, but thanks.

1796
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 17: His friend Camilla would die over it, and like, do

1797
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 17: you mind if he sends it to her?

1798
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: And is this poor Camilla's record before she kind of

1799
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: known as the solo artist.

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 17: I don't even know if Fifth Harmony had broken up yet,

1801
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 17: like we were. I was like, okay, cool, Like I

1802
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 17: knew about Fifth Harmony, but I didn't. I wasn't like

1803
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 17: super clued in to Camilla necessarily so.

1804
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 4: Or Camilla.

1805
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 17: I probably just butchered that, but yeah, she ended up

1806
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 17: like recording it and actually the piano that you hear

1807
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 17: on the cut is Josh's piano from the demo. And

1808
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 17: it was funny because the first email we ever goot

1809
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 17: about it was like, Yo, this is going to be

1810
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 17: single and really that okay, that's.

1811
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: What everybody said about everything, That's.

1812
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 8: What I know.

1813
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 17: We were like yeah, sure, and then for it to

1814
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 17: actually be single, it was really like a cool God

1815
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 17: moment for me because I was like, there's no way

1816
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 17: that should have happened.

1817
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: So I'm like, thanks, thanks for listening to the special

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Speaker 2: episode of The Bobbycast. Hope you enjoyed hearing stories from

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01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: some of the greatest email songwriters and now Ashville Go

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01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: follow on Instagram, enjoy their music. It takes a special

1821
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: kind of person to be able to sit down and

1822
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: crank out amazing songs like that, and you can tell

1823
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: just by hearing them in those interviews they are super

1824
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 2: passionate about writing. Maybe you're inspired to write a song now.

1825
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,759
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