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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot com. John Schmulk pulled the Tino

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Speaker 1: to converse with us that way. We'll get to your

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Speaker 1: first guest trying to look at all the pro days

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Speaker 1: of the draft prospects since Oklahoma had the first pro

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Speaker 1: day last week, annoying to most NFL franchises because they

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Speaker 1: put it on the first day of free agency, which

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Speaker 1: isn't really smart, which is why we're only getting to

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Speaker 1: it now. But we'll have Teddy Lehman, who covers the team,

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Speaker 1: is their sideline analyst, and he's a sports talk show

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Speaker 1: host on the sports Talk fown Oklahoma. We will have

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Speaker 1: him about two or three minutes. Paul, it's always good

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Speaker 1: to start getting deep into these prospects because the guys

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Speaker 1: covering the team sometimes have a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: different view than even the people that take a look

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Speaker 1: at all the game film model. Well, they certainly know

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Speaker 1: a lot more about these prospects than we do. That's

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Speaker 1: for sure. We can study, we can look at some

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Speaker 1: of the descriptions and some of the things that other

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Speaker 1: people have say. We can even look at the tape

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Speaker 1: as you have alluded to. But hey, we try to

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Speaker 1: bring you guys an inside look, a most complete look,

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Speaker 1: and a detailed look at all of the potential prospects

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Speaker 1: that you'll be seeing in the first couple of rounds

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Speaker 1: or maybe even three or four rounds of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: You guys know, we do this every single year annually.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things that we do on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live because we're getting inside the details

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Speaker 1: of all these guys. It's not just some stuff that

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Speaker 1: you're reading in a book. We're we're going to the

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Speaker 1: heart of the matter. We're going to those places in

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Speaker 1: the in the country, to those areas where those guys

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Speaker 1: are around the prospects each and every day. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Teddy Leeman, you guys remember an outstanding outside

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Speaker 1: linebacker at Oklahoma then played in the NFL. Think he

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Speaker 1: was drafted by the Detroit Lines if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: But Obviously he is an educated high and so that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm anxious to hear what he's got to say.

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Speaker 1: And we had him last year. He gave us the

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Speaker 1: low down on Baker Mayfield and some of the other

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Speaker 1: Will have him on it just about a minute. We'll

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Speaker 1: get him on the phone momentarily and we'll talk with him. Paul.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say we're done with the

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Speaker 1: first wave of free agency. The first wave is over

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Speaker 1: and now we're in the middle of wave two. I

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Speaker 1: think that's fair. Yeah, I do think it's fair. And

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna see then is, after a little bit

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Speaker 1: basement guys. For lack of a better term, I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to be insulting about it or disrespectful, but you'll

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Speaker 1: other guys who will simply say to those players, we'll

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Speaker 1: gonna wait and see what happens in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll talk to you after the draft is over. Remember,

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Speaker 1: you still have guys like a Domini consue justin Houston,

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley a good bargain deal for them. So there

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Speaker 1: are still a lot of players left on the market,

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Speaker 1: and of course we will continue to cover free agency

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. But now let's get

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Speaker 1: to our draft series and he will be our first

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma were joined by Teddy Lehman, who covers the team

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Speaker 1: down there as well. Teddy, thank you for joining us

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Speaker 1: for a second straight year. Last year gave us some

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Speaker 1: great details on Baker Mayfield and some of his teammates.

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Speaker 1: You got John Schmilk and Paul to Tino up here

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Speaker 1: No problem, guys. We might as well go ahead and

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Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest difference whenever you can

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Speaker 1: been a combination that I can think of that has

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Speaker 1: so much on tape while he's been there, a ton

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be a wonderful prospect for you. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: gonna be four were draft picks off of this offensive

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Speaker 1: coming out of the quarterback's hands quicker. That's because they

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Speaker 1: hips under them. They roll their hips forward and they

427
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Speaker 1: take these small, choppy steps, So instead blasting into a guy,

428
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: they're more controlled, controlled steps. And these guys in Oklahoma

429
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: are coached really well on that. Now there's gonna be times,

430
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Speaker 1: obviously short yardage when everyone knows what's happening, that people

431
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 1: are going to be firing off the football. Um, that's

432
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But for the most part, it's got to

433
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Speaker 1: be a more controlled type of block run block now,

434
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Speaker 1: and these guys are all really good at that. Well,

435
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Teddy Cody Ford, we've already

436
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Speaker 1: discussed he should be in the top half of the

437
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Speaker 1: first round. But you're talking about Uh Samoa, Ben Powers

438
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Speaker 1: and Bobby Evans both projected to be NFL guards. Those

439
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Speaker 1: the other two of the four offensive linemen that you

440
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Speaker 1: were talking about. Let's just separate forward between the other

441
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Speaker 1: three guys. Do you see them as being second and

442
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Speaker 1: third round potential plug and play players that an NFL

443
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 1: team could get them at. I don't want to use

444
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: the word bargain necessarily, but where's the reasonable slot for

445
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: those guys thinking that they could compete for a starting

446
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: job come August? Um, I think Cody Ford could start

447
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: right away. I think Drew Samia could start right away.

448
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: I think Bobby Evans, given the right system, UH could

449
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: work himself onto a roster and the same with Ben Powers,

450
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Speaker 1: Drew Smia. Guys, is gonna be a uh He's gonna

451
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Speaker 1: be a diamond in the rough for somebody. I don't

452
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Speaker 1: know how he's gonna get drafted, but he's gonna play

453
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Speaker 1: a long time in the NFL. I'll tell you that

454
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Speaker 1: right now. I'll play ten years barring injury. What what positions.

455
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Speaker 1: Do you see Evans and Powers landing out of the

456
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Speaker 1: offensive line? Do you see him as swing guys that

457
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Speaker 1: can move along the line for for Powers and I

458
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Speaker 1: think Powers is going to be a guard. Evans, it's

459
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Speaker 1: hard to stay with him. He's really athletic as a tackle,

460
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Speaker 1: so he kind of fits the scheme. He's got really

461
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Speaker 1: long arms, He's really athletic, so he could play tackle

462
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Speaker 1: in the right system. I think he's more of a

463
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Speaker 1: tackle than he is a guard. So um, and that's

464
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Speaker 1: where all his experience is. But it's Here's what I

465
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Speaker 1: always tell people. It's easy. The closer you get to

466
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Speaker 1: the football, both offense and defense, the easier it is

467
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Speaker 1: to play. So if he's struggling at tackle, they could

468
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Speaker 1: move him down to a guard and life would be

469
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Speaker 1: a lot easier. On all right, we got one more

470
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Speaker 1: for you. That's the wide receiver, Mikey's Brown Hollywood. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know it was was sticking offense here with with

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma prospects, it does seem like it's one sided.

473
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Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve after all. Pop Indeed, indeed,

474
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Speaker 1: uh Chetty some thoughts on on what he will bring

475
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Speaker 1: to the table when he gets to an NFL camp.

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Speaker 1: I like Mark's Brown a lot. Um, he's clearly a burner.

477
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Speaker 1: He's he's a guy probably would have ran you know,

478
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Speaker 1: four two would not have been a surprise if Marky's

479
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Speaker 1: Brown ran, pro day. Um, he's he's he's small, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a guy that I'm not big on small wide receivers. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not. I don't think. I don't think it

482
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Speaker 1: translates well to the NFL. I want size, not ultimately

483
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Speaker 1: you want a guy that can do it. All right,

484
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: you want size, you want speed, you want all that.

485
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Speaker 1: But if you're going to be small, you need to

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Speaker 1: be fast, and he is fast. I just I can't

487
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Speaker 1: think of a guy, a small guy that's an absolute burner,

488
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Speaker 1: that has really been worthy of a first round pick. Me.

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Speaker 1: Can you, guys? Is there anyone that you can think

490
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Speaker 1: of that as a first round pick? Because the guy

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Speaker 1: that I would compare him closest to is Corey Coleman.

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Speaker 1: He's taking his first round Hetty, I would say Ross

493
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Speaker 1: from Washington. The only guy that maybe you could talk

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Speaker 1: about is de Sean Jackson. I think he's maybe the

495
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Speaker 1: only guy in that mix. I I think I think

496
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Speaker 1: he's probably his best target. You know what I mean,

497
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Speaker 1: and believe me, Jeddy. The way de Sean Jackson is

498
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Speaker 1: eating up the Giants over his career, everybody in New

499
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Speaker 1: York could say he's worth the first round. Bank. Here's

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Speaker 1: the thing about de Sean Jackson. He's a dog. Now

501
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Speaker 1: he will I mean, he's a super aggressive I mean

502
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: he wants the football Marcy's Brown. I mean he every

503
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: wide receiver wants the football. But I don't know that

504
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: he's got that aggressive streak like de Shaun Jackson does.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think he can be

506
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Speaker 1: a really productive guy in the NFL. It just depends

507
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Speaker 1: where he goes. If he goes into a good offensive system,

508
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Speaker 1: I think he could. He could fit nicely and have

509
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Speaker 1: some nice production. If he goes somewhere with a ho

510
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Speaker 1: home quarterback, I think the guy could, you know, just

511
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Speaker 1: really fade. So I don't know. The other thing is

512
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Speaker 1: he's got a list Frank injury. Um, he had the surgery.

513
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Speaker 1: Now I had this surgery. This is this surgery is

514
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Speaker 1: basically what kind of ended my NFL career. And they've

515
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Speaker 1: gotten a lot better at the surgery than they were

516
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Speaker 1: when they did it on my foot. But here's the thing.

517
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Speaker 1: It's all it's gonna depend on the team and what

518
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Speaker 1: their history with that injury is. Some things may have

519
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: had a guy that had a list Frank came right back,

520
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: played five more years, was completely fine. Other teams may

521
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: have had a couple of guys that were never the

522
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Speaker 1: same after it. So that's gonna be a big factor

523
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Speaker 1: to watch because it's a it's a really it's a

524
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: big jury. Now. When you talk about cutting on one

525
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Speaker 1: of his wheels, that's that's what makes him who he is,

526
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: is his speed. And you're cutting on a foot and

527
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: he's had a foot surgery. What does that do for him?

528
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: He can change your gate, It can can really start

529
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: to mess you and have hamstring problems afterwards. So that's

530
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: something to watch with him. Um, I personally would not

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Speaker 1: take him in the first round if I were a

532
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Speaker 1: gum daddy, And this is why we have you on

533
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Speaker 1: great honest information. Uh. In terms of his rout tree,

534
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: how much work to see if to do? I know

535
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: he said, Oklahoma, they kind of stick to some core

536
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: plays that they get to with, you know, different ways

537
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: with motion and things like that. How advances his route

538
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: tree and how much is he gonna have to work

539
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: on that heading to the next level. Um, his route,

540
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: he's gotten better. At first, he was a down the

541
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Speaker 1: field guy that thought he was right. We just threw

542
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: it as far as we could and let him brand

543
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: under it, and that was that was what he did.

544
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Speaker 1: But he started running more comeback rounds, started running some

545
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Speaker 1: fade patterns where they throw it up and let him

546
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: go up and make a play. Um, he'll catch some

547
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: stuff across the middle and convert it after the catch

548
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: for some nice yardage. So he's a guy that you know,

549
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: the lazy take is to look at him and say, well,

550
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: he's just a deep threat. I don't think that's the

551
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: case with him. Uh, that's definitely his best weapon is

552
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: that he can take. You know, he'll take some short

553
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: crossing routes and you hit him and stride and safeties

554
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: just can't make up the angle on him to the

555
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: sideline and he'll just turn it up for a touchdown

556
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Speaker 1: once he gets across the field. So, I mean, he's

557
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: he's a danger with the ball in his hand anywhere

558
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just because of that speed. And he's got some pretty

559
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: good elusiveness as well. So I mean, I honestly think

560
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: his his route tree. It pretty much has everything. It's

561
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult for him on the perimeter against top

562
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: corners in in the NFL because of their size, competing

563
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: on some of those comeback routes and out routes. But

564
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: he can he can run everything. Yeah, and you don't

565
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Speaker 1: necessarily see the press coverage you'll see in college that

566
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: they'll probably see in the NFL as well. See how

567
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: he handles that as well. Teddy, awesome. Let's set the

568
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: date next year, same day, same time, and we'll talk

569
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Speaker 1: about whatever Coloma players gonna get drafted first overall next year.

570
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Another half a dozen guys, easy, right, Teddy, great stuff, man,

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks. That's Steady Lehman,

572
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: former NFL linebacker, and of course UH covers Oklahoma down

573
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Speaker 1: there as their sideline analysts on the radio. He's really

574
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: he's awesome, he's honest, and again he played the game

575
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: at the highest level. So this is a guy who,

576
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: unlike maybe some other folks you might talk to who

577
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: can only look at a fellow from the press box

578
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: or maybe look at him from past college experience, this

579
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: is a guy who had to translate it to the

580
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Speaker 1: pro game. And so I love how he even tried

581
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Speaker 1: to compare the errors and how the game has changed

582
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. He was even putting that into consideration.

583
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: And he's right. He's right about everything he said about it.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, wow, great stuff. Two five one here,

585
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: we'll get to your phone calls in just a second.

586
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Speaker 1: Have you moved on Kylin Murray at all on your

587
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: thoughts on him? I don't think he's a good fit

588
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: for the Giants period. I don't dispute his athleticism. I

589
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: don't dispute the fit for a second take out fit.

590
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: Your your generic NFL franchise, and you're willing to build

591
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: your offense around the quarterback. What do you think about

592
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Murray that way? He's got a skill set. Would he

593
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick for you? Probably not. I

594
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: was oneing where you are on him, but but I

595
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: do admit uh And I never was against his skill

596
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: set because I have since watched some cut ups. So

597
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: he's very talented throwing My goodness, he can unload it.

598
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: He can throw the football. But I told you no

599
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: armed talent. In terms of strength and accuracy, Darnier unmatched.

600
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: There is no question about his ability to wing it

601
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: long and and that's pretty exciting. Okay. Uh, the height

602
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: still bothers me, no matter how much Teddy wants to downplay.

603
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I think it probably think it does prevent you from

604
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: doing some things that you might want to do. Okay, Yeah,

605
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: I agree with you in that it's an extra hurdle.

606
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. I don't think it's insurmountable issue,

607
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: but it's something that he has to work around, which

608
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: is what Steve Young you said to do back in

609
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: the day. Drew Brees has to do, Russell Wilson has

610
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: to do. Everyone works around what they have to do

611
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: with It's possible, but it makes it adds another level

612
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to the evaluation. See let me take him out of

613
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: it and just say player X. Okay, player X. When

614
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: you take him in the top five, top ten, even

615
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: top fifteen, the idea is to take a guy who

616
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: you have the fewest questions about, the guy who you

617
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: think will have the least hurdles to overcome to be

618
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: a success across the board. Basically, it's the percent chance

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Speaker 1: they have of meeting their true potential now, and that's

620
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. I'm not saying Kyler Murray doesn't

621
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: have a tremendous skill set. He does, but there are

622
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: certain things starting with the height. Then we can talk

623
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Speaker 1: about the system of the offense, the lack of complexity

624
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: of the offense that he ran. Okay, uh, the experience level.

625
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't play a ton of games in college. These

626
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: are now hurdles that you're throwing in front of him,

627
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: and again i'm speaking, um hypothetically, hypothetically, hurdles that he

628
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: has to overcome in order to become the true blue

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Speaker 1: chip lockstock prospect that you're going to want to draft

630
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Speaker 1: at that level, How surprised would you be if he

631
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Speaker 1: made a Pro Bowl in three years? Moderately surprised, not

632
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: really surprised or very surprised. I would be surprised, so

633
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: moderately surprised. No, that's a different thing than guys. Okay,

634
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: so you would just be straight out I wouldn't be

635
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: straight out surprised. Okay, but he is my number one

636
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: quarterback in the class. Again with this, with this this

637
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: everlasting love affair right now that that seems to we're

638
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Speaker 1: we're in with these types of quarterbacks, more running quarterbacks,

639
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: more athletic quarterbacks. That's the cycle we're in right now. Yeah,

640
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think you draft him because he's a runner.

641
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: I think it helps. It helps you obviously, it's something

642
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: a defense has to prepare for. But you don't pick

643
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: a guy because he's a runner. You pick a guy

644
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: because the running confidence with you think is his ability

645
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: to pass the ball. Right now, here's here again, John,

646
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: It's not a question you can actually answer in a bubble.

647
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: There really are so many different facets to the question, absolutely,

648
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: and conditions to the question. And I think that's where

649
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you know. For me, there were too many of those

650
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: hurdles for me that he's got to overcome to be

651
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: a totally clean prospect. And I'm not saying he can't

652
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: overcome them. I'm just saying that those hurdles are there.

653
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I was just trying that's a problem from I was

654
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: trying to get to where what's your level of confidence

655
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: was in terms of how if he's going to be

656
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: able to overcome those obstacles or not. And I think

657
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: he gave me a pretty good feel. I would take

658
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: Haskins before I took Murray, Really you would. I would

659
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: because I'm still a pocket passer guy who wants the big,

660
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: strong guy, and I get the Teddy Teddy. Teddy's right.

661
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: I see the bit of a trend that we have

662
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: right now. But is it just a trend, is it

663
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: a fad or is it a true change in the league.

664
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that yet. Now, a few years ago,

665
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: teams didn't want to run the ball at all, but

666
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: now they're finding out over the last three or four years.

667
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Guess what teams that have the best running games are

668
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: the teams that are making the playoffs. Because guess what,

669
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: what goes around comes around, folks. Old school always circles

670
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: around to the front. Again, I go back and forth.

671
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna end up with Murray is my

672
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: number one, just because I think that his optimum result

673
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: is higher than I wo what I think Haskins is.

674
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I think Muras are more physically gifted quarterback, you know

675
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, corripians, his ability to throw the ball, accuracy,

676
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: better athletes, all those things. Now, obviously Haskins as measurables

677
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: are better in terms of the size and things like that.

678
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: But you have to quantify where you but I don't.

679
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a ton of distance between them.

680
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: But I think I'm gonna end up with Maria is

681
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: my number one. Anyway, let's get to the calls at

682
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: two one and do you think the Carlins taken one

683
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: first overall or no? If I made you guess now,

684
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that they might. I think it

685
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: would be a mistake. I think they should take Vosa.

686
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I agree with both those and um, we're gonna have

687
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: to say by agree of both those sentiments two five

688
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: one three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. Heck, if you

689
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: don't you have Bosa. If someone wants to trade up

690
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: to get Murray, you get a boatload of picks for him,

691
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: boatload I hope. By the way, wouldn't it be great

692
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: for the Giants if both quarterbacks? What the top five?

693
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Speaker 1: So that for you? I don't think for a lot

694
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Speaker 1: of jol for you? Baby, tell me you wouldn't like

695
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: to see Quentin Williams or Josh Allen drop down to

696
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: the Giants at six? They when what have happens if

697
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: the first three position players are Alan Williams, Boson and

698
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks and then none of those guys are

699
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: still there at six? Could happen? All right? Could happen?

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00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: If cores light download the cores light rewards after an

701
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: amazing Giants prize. You don't get away with it that easily.

702
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ken in Brooklyn. He'll be our first

703
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: goal today. Can't thank you for being patient? How are

704
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: you all right? What's up? Paul? You're not a loser? Um?

705
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: He is not. We agree, he is not a loser. Ken,

706
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm just old schools, just old school. He's annoying,

707
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: he's an irritant, but he is not a loser. Um.

708
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I have a point flash question about or about gentleman,

709
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: and it's a five time a question of Paul regarding

710
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: Murray Um for government. So gets planning last year was

711
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: to many games as possible. Yeah, and frankly, I think

712
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty much his plan every year, I think, I think,

713
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: to be honest, that was also tied to he had

714
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to clean up the locker room and it was a

715
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: very very very high priority, right next to winning games.

716
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: The gentleman would get this roster more of the fabric

717
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: that he was looking for. And if you want more

718
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: detail on it, go to Giants dot com recover three.

719
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: I wrote about it, probably about a good seven wards

720
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: or so on it. On Monday Dance Alma want to

721
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: kill me because it was way too long. But basically

722
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: he here's the thing with with Gentleman's plan. He wants

723
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: to rebuild the roster plan for the future, but at

724
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: the same time compete and win as many games as possible.

725
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: He does not believe in the bottoming out theory. Now,

726
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: if you're a fan, you disagree with that, I understand.

727
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: I get it, and that's your right, and I understand

728
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: why you disagree with a lot of the analytics say

729
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: it's better to bottom out. It's you it's more productive

730
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: to win two games and to win seven games. But

731
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: I believe Dave Gentlman believes, and frankly ownership believes as well,

732
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: that they much rather put a seven win product on

733
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: the field than a two win product on the field.

734
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: That's just the way they believe. Fans dis agree with that,

735
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: the analytics dis agree with that, but that's the way

736
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: the organization looks at it. So he helps the short

737
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: term without jeopardizing the long term, which is the bigger

738
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: and more important project. That's how I look at It's

739
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: a very challenging plan. It's very it's a very very,

740
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: very very difficult to do. But then again, didn't people

741
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: always say years and years ago that anything worth something's

742
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: gonna be hard, you gotta work for it. Go ahead, Ken,

743
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: and I, like I said, I disagree with the promise,

744
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: but more operating on the gentleman's planners. So we're just

745
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of going with it. Okay, assuming assuming this plan

746
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out last year, but let's assume that it

747
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: works this year and we win seven, eight games, maybe

748
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: if things really really work out nine Okay, doesn't doesn't

749
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: make obvious and almost necessary to take the quarterback this year?

750
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: Can you that's a good point. We're gonna be picking,

751
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna be picking mid like, we're gonna be picking

752
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: minute first round, maybe a little later. And we have

753
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: a surplus of draft picks this year. We're picking six

754
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: this year. So isn't it almost like we're going to

755
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: be negligent to like winning call next year and neuter

756
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: ore on drafts to move up when we're in a

757
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: position who we are this year. See, I don't think

758
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: there's a concrete, black and white answer to that. And

759
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: and I know that you know you obviously feel as

760
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: you do, John Johnson agreement with you, And I'm not

761
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna tell you it's wrong, and he makes fair points.

762
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: But but here's the other fair point to that. The

763
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: Giants have twelve draft picks this year. Okay, we don't

764
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen in this following off season. Let's

765
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: assume they win eight games. Okay, Let's let's say Giants

766
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: go await and they and they're gonna pick in the

767
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: middle of the first round sixteen seven. Okay, now here's

768
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: there are a couple of ways you can look at

769
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: it from the other side. I'm gonna give you options.

770
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you that you're right or you're wrong.

771
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm simply gonna give you other options to consider. If

772
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: there are four or five first round draft draftable quarterbacks

773
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: in which is what a lot of people seem to believe,

774
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: anywhere from three to five is what people ask. Okay,

775
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: chances are at fifteen you probably will get a shot

776
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: at one of them, at least one of them. Because

777
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: most of the young quarterbacks have been placed in the

778
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: last couple of years. There may not be more than

779
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: two or three teams that are gonna be looking for

780
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: one next year. That is certainly debatable. Happened and then,

781
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: but that's a reasonable approach to to to entertain if

782
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: you're fifteen and you only got to get up maybe

783
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: even five spots. If all of a sudden it looks

784
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: like a couple of teams want somebody, you don't have

785
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: to give away the entire farm and the grandma's of

786
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: state to move up from fifteen to ten. Yeah, you're

787
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: assuming though, that you're good with any of the five.

788
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: What happens if you're good with one or two? And again,

789
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: these are are all unknowns, of course. Okay, none of

790
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: us have a crystal ball. That's because if we did,

791
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be crystal, it would be goal. But Ken,

792
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: your larger point is the point that I made last

793
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: year when we went through this draft process. When you

794
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to draft a guy that you think

795
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: could be the franchise guy, you take it because you

796
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: never know when you're gonna have the opportunity next, and

797
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: and and and to a certain extent that applies this

798
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: year to Yet here is the other facet that you

799
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: have to look at. Again, I'm not telling you you're

800
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: right or wrong. The other facet you have to look

801
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: at his get him and as twelve draft picks this year,

802
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: he's not gonna use all twelve. He could acquire picks

803
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: and draft that he could use some of these picks

804
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: to help his draft capital for next year, which would

805
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: make it easier for him to try to move up

806
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: if he wants to. And I'm even going to give

807
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: you another angle to look at, and that is this,

808
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: this crop of prospects is heavy on the fense. If

809
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: you can get that one guy that helps solidify your

810
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: owline and draft three or four really really terrific players

811
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: on defense, you have strengthened up all the other parts

812
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: around your team to where now, guess what, You've got

813
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: a lot of young talent, good talent on the defensive

814
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: side of the ball, which means John, now you don't

815
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: have to worry about that for the next three to

816
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: four years, and you can concentrate on going to get

817
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: your QB because all of the other body parts will

818
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: be in place. You always have to refill your talent

819
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: poll though you know that understood, But the bulk of

820
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: the heart of what you're gonna be relying on as

821
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: your foundation will have been acquired. Now, Kenny Ken, the

822
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: final thing, I'll say, there's no right or wrong here.

823
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: It really isn't ken the final thing I'll say, and um,

824
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: then I'll let you make your final point before you

825
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: hang up. If they do not choose to choose a

826
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: quarterback this year, or maybe they never are put in

827
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: the position to choose a quarterback this year, because for me,

828
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: at least, I'm of the opinion where as you pick

829
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: one at six or you don't pick one, I'm not

830
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: a big fan of pick in these second and thirtier guys.

831
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they tend to work out. I want.

832
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: I want a high upside quarterback, and I don't think

833
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: you're getting one even at seventeen. Correct, I'm not interested

834
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: in that. We'll see what the Giants do. They might

835
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: think that these guys have high upside, and frankly, they

836
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: know a lot more about evaluating quarterbacks than I do,

837
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: so I would defer to them on that. But if

838
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: you if you do not draft a quarterback these or

839
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: you're not in the position to draft one that you like,

840
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: then I would certainly trade down and get extra picks

841
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: for next year to put yourself in position. And frankly,

842
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: if you trade down to twelve thirteen and you wind

843
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: up with Brian Burns and Cody Ford instead of Montez

844
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: sweating Cody Ford. You know what, cool, I'm fine with

845
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: that if that means I have another pick in the

846
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: following year's draft, you caring. The real problem here is

847
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: that there truly is no right answer today. There there

848
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: are There are probably about seven or eight different blueprints

849
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: that you could take if if you're Dave Gettlman and

850
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: and none of them went, none of them can be

851
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: proven right before the fact. That's that's honest. I'm being

852
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: honest with you. The only think I'll regarding that to

853
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: give Gettleman in his word. He keeps bringing up this

854
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: model he was on his last last year's contract. He

855
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: wants somebody underneath him for a year. Sure, Sure, I'm

856
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: just saying it makes way way way too much sense

857
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: to this. Just just just you can't just remember the variable. Um,

858
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: it's not impossible that Eli Manning gets a one year extension.

859
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: But let's not go there. But I don't want to

860
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: make the show about that. But the point is, if

861
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: if he wants to say we have to take get

862
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: him with at his word that he would like to

863
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: have a mentor for the young guy, that could happen

864
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: in it's not impossible. No, it's not, and it's not.

865
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: As Dave said on the radio, to make for instances

866
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: of the other day, he would like to get it

867
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: accomplished this year if he can, if he can, if

868
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: it works out, he would like to accomplish it this year.

869
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: That's two letter word. If holds a lot of beef,

870
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: doesn't it? What are you? And Walton? He's up next?

871
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: What's up? Woody? Hello? Hey guys, how are you doing?

872
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: What's going on? What's up? Hey, Paul? I gotta tell you.

873
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm an old school guy too, and I'd be a

874
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: static if Gentleman picked two or three hot mollies on

875
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: each side of the ball. I'm with you, my friends. Yeah,

876
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it. And by by the way,

877
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the way Teddy Lehman was talking about those Oklahoma sumers

878
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: sooners who will get a lot of cord fed beef.

879
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: My goodness, they got a lot of hog bollies on

880
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: that old line, don't they. Okay, you guys kind of

881
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: hit on some of the stuff I was gonna ahead

882
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: on Getleman's plans. People don't seem to understand what's going on.

883
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that difficult. It's not winning while

884
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: you build. Is really coming from the marathon tissues that

885
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: they want their ticket holders to see as many victories

886
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: as possible. That's correct. I mean, I'm happy with what

887
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: they've done at the safety position. I know I hated

888
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: to see Randon go, but I think they've got a

889
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: couple of pretty good ball players there, and Kevin Braitler

890
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: is a very good guard. I don't have issues with

891
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: what's going on. And you know what you got back

892
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: for Odell? Who knows. I mean, yeah, he's a great player.

893
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: There were a lot of stuff that I didn't care

894
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: for for him. I'm old school. I just said, you know,

895
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: you go down, score your tests, down your hand the

896
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: fish of the ball. You shut up and go back

897
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: to the huddle. But just me. But offense, I think,

898
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: really we're only looking at right tackle on the for starters. Really,

899
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy with the receivers. We have the online

900
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: depth quarterback of the future, I mean, right tackle, that's

901
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: basically your offensive plan. Defensively, we can use help everywhere. Corner,

902
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: edge rusher. I'd love to see a couple of edge

903
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: rushers in those top four or five picks. And I

904
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: don't think what as far away as people think we

905
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: are well, but I don't think we're as going to

906
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: be as bad as people think. Let let me ask

907
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: you one question. Will I have you on the line,

908
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you calling in, um. I appreciate the

909
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: fact that the Giants do need to find their next

910
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. And if they can get the guy this year,

911
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: if they believe in someone and have them ship behind

912
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Ely and nineteen, God bless them, that would be a

913
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: wonderful thing to be able to check that box. I

914
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: understand that totally. But you know, if this defensive draft,

915
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: which we've all been told is just ripe with terrific

916
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: pass rushers, especially in the first round, if the Giants

917
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: took two pass rushers at six and seventeen, okay, I

918
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know how you could cry at that, because as

919
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: long as they're the best players on the board, yes,

920
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: I got no problem if they are. If they are

921
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: that highly rated and they got two guys let's just

922
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: say it's six and seventeen who were double digit sack

923
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: guys and they get sweat and Ferrell or sweat and burns,

924
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: how can you be mad about that? Really? I mean,

925
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: think about that. When we know that pass rushers are

926
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: also at a very high premium in this league, why

927
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: not take two guys who could dominate that side of

928
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: the ball. What's so bad about that? Nothing? If that

929
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: were the case, I would run the thank you what

930
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: he appreciates. And by the way, maybe maybe it's at

931
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: all for that dropsy or like I said, what if

932
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: Quinny Williams drops to six. This guy is supposed to

933
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: be an incredible pass rush fours from the inside. I mean,

934
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, revisit history. You think anybody who passed on

935
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald is a little upset that they didn't take

936
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: him now or Fletcher Cox? Right, I mean, what what

937
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: is so people people talk about this like, oh, you

938
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: don't want to take a quarterback. It's almost like okay,

939
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: So that means if you could wind up with an absolute,

940
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: bona fide dominating pass rusher, you're gonna be upset, You're

941
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna cry. No, but having the franchise quarterbacks the most

942
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: important part. I get it, of course I get it.

943
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: But but just degree to disagree. Don't be don't be

944
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: throwing flaming torches at the house and burn it down.

945
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: For God's sake, stop acting like such a loser. Paul three,

946
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: Christian in New York is that's what's up, Christian Christian.

947
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: I haven't called in a couple of weeks. I'm still

948
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: adjusting to this whole transition, with the whole you know,

949
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: kind of identity of the team when you look at it.

950
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: But I'm just going to talk about the receivers we have.

951
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: Um Shepard and Tate are obviously really good, and you know,

952
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: like from a true like ratings standpoint, that's a that's

953
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: just a that's a fine one too. But they got

954
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: to replace some serious area ards because those guys do

955
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: their best work within about ten yards of the line

956
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And I know Latimer is good, but then

957
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: you know he displayed the ability to get vertical last year,

958
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: but he was barely healthy. So I think they need

959
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: to get a guy in here little really makes us little,

960
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: really make defenses respect us over the top. Christian, I

961
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: don't disagree. I think at some point, whether it's in

962
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: the SEC day two or early day three of the draft,

963
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: that you want to try to find a burner that

964
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: maybe is a little bit raw, but he has the

965
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: speed to stretch the field. I wouldn't have a problem

966
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, look, you figure they're gonna have

967
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: five wide receivers on the opening day roster. Yeah, okay,

968
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: so you have room if you if you want to

969
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: tell me right now, and I'll accept it that that

970
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Take are the only locks and everybody else

971
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: behind those two are going to be involved in a

972
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: competition and may the best guys win to fill out

973
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: the most varied roles you can possibly have on your

974
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: five man receiving corps. I don't think anybody would disagree

975
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: with that. That's fun. Yeah, And like, as as much

976
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: as I'd like to get a big guy, I think

977
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna run into a lot of problems schematically if

978
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: teams are just kind of sitting on our offense because

979
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: they're not afraid of anybody going deep. But does he

980
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't think Shepherd and Tate. I don't think they're

981
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: incapable of going deep Christian. I just think they've been

982
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: used in those roles since they've been in the league,

983
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: So I think they're a little bit more versatile than

984
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: what you've given him credit for. I mean, you know

985
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: it can happen, um, I just I don't think teams

986
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: are gonna necessarily respect it, and I think that's the

987
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: way you gotta make him pay that really they don't

988
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: respect you, gotta make him pay. You gotta make him

989
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: respect it. Look in a perfect world that receiving corps.

990
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry, Oh sorry, Uh the

991
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: notice thing I wanted to mention today, Um uh you

992
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: mentioned something about how you know you'd rather skip on

993
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: quarterback if you're not getting who seems like the top prospects.

994
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: And it seems like a lot of fans are starting

995
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: to become, like, really worried that Daniel Jones is going

996
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: to become a target of seventeen because I've watched a

997
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: lot of him in college and he really has a

998
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: non existent deep ball, and I just I know it

999
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: can and work for personally, I'd really like to see

1000
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback that can do everything. So I really hope

1001
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: that they, you know, either get one of those top

1002
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: guys or just skip. I appreciate the call of church understood,

1003
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: and generally I'm of that opinion. Um. I've talked about

1004
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: joining the Show've been open with it again. The Giants

1005
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: and Pat Charmer and you know everybody else here that

1006
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Mike Schulan, that's gonna evaluate the quarterbacks with Dave Gentleman

1007
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: knows a lot more about evaluating quarterbacks than I do.

1008
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: Uh Jones. His numbers in college were underwhelming, and a

1009
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: lot of times you won't really see Paul quarterbacks do

1010
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: better statistically in the NFL than they do in colleges.

1011
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't really happen that often. Um. I think he's a

1012
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: guy that's really fundamentally sound. He's smarty, knows what he's doing.

1013
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: You could tell he's been coached goal by David cuck Cliffe.

1014
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: All those things are absolutely accurate. But I just wonder

1015
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: what the if the underlying talent of the player is

1016
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: high enough, you know what I mean? Where the upside

1017
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: is there? Where he can be like that next Eli

1018
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Manning for lack of a better phrase, to be worth

1019
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: that early pick. And heck, what do I know? But

1020
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: from watching that's my concern with him. I think he'll

1021
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: be diligent, he'll be smart, he'll do the right thing,

1022
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: so'll do everything fundamentally sound. But is that base of

1023
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: talent there? I'm not positive. Well, every one of these quarterbacks,

1024
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: to go back to the analogy I used before, has

1025
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: at least one hurdle in front of him that he's

1026
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: got to jump. You're not saying he can't do it.

1027
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: You just don't know how successful he will be at

1028
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: doing that. And that's why, in short, I'm not for

1029
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback in the first round period um. Just

1030
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: one thing about the receivers. I want to add. In

1031
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: a perfect world, the Giants back three receivers. After you're

1032
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: starting to I would love to see one guy be

1033
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: a burner, to be that deep threat we're talking about.

1034
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to see one guy who is long and

1035
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: physical and strong so that we can get the back

1036
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: shoulder throw back into the playbook for man. And that

1037
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: could be the same guy as could be. But those

1038
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: are the characteristics I'd like to see filled with the

1039
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: spots three and four and the fifth wide receiver, just

1040
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: the guy who wins the job because he's the best

1041
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: at what he does and catches the ball really well

1042
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: and if you gonna get specials too, maybe sure. So

1043
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: those are the characteristics in a perfect world. If I

1044
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: could diagram the five man room, you just don't know

1045
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: how that's gonna shake out. Two, five, one, three. We

1046
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: got a couple more minutes. Let's got our final two

1047
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: calls in Ernie in New Jersey's up next? Then Mike

1048
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: and California wrap things up. What's up, Ernie, and we're

1049
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: just talking about something I wanted to talk about, which

1050
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: was who's going to be the number one wide receiver.

1051
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do it by committee, and I

1052
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: agree they probably got the guy in the room already

1053
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: and they should take a chance on the drift if

1054
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: they wanted to get a deep threat Burner. Ernie, I'll

1055
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: tell you this, don't be shocked if the leading Giants

1056
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver and receptions this year is behind both Barkley

1057
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: and Ingram on the number of catches. Barkley maybe I

1058
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Speaker 1: don't know about Ingram, wouldn't shock me. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it's a lock. Would not shock me though, if both

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Speaker 1: Barkley and Ingram have more catches by the end of

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Speaker 1: the season and the leading Giants wide receiver in terms

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Speaker 1: of catches has maybe only fifty seven or fifty eight,

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Speaker 1: and Ernie, I'm gonna throw this out there too. What

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Speaker 1: happens if it's seventeen no offense sitting there were in

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00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: a four or four one at tight end and you

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Speaker 1: think he can stretch the field down the seam, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play a lot of two tight ends and

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00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: Lattimer that's two big guys could both go deep. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to expert from you, and you guys know

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00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: a whole lot better than I would. Just Uh, do

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Speaker 1: you think Sam Bale has a shot to being a starter?

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Speaker 1: Is any good? Well? And do you think they're gonna

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: trade uh second round or for a Rosen? Look? And Ernie,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the call. We appreciate it. I'm not Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the Cardinals are trying to move

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00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: him yet. If they do, I would be well, I

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Speaker 1: personally my personal opinion. I don't know what the team

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00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: thinks about it. I would be willing to make that trade, yes,

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Speaker 1: and I would live it this way. I'd rather use

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00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: a second round pick the trade for Josh Rosen then

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00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: use a sixth overall pick to draft Wayne Haskins. Fair

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00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: because because there's much less risk, right, exactly so? Correct?

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: If you think you're gonna get me off of that,

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Speaker 1: you're crazy serious what you take on that. I'm much happier.

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Speaker 1: I mean. The going rate, according to the whispers and

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: rumor mill around the NFL, is that it may only

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00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: take a third to get I don't know if I

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00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: believe it either, but for a third I'm not and

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00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: ros Rosen has his hurdles too. But but for the

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: lowest cost with the risk reward, how do you how

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Speaker 1: do you not a potential franchise quarterback with first round

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00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: ability that for the cost of a second round pick.

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00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to say no to that, right, So, and

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00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: much like we talked that Will Beckham, the fact that

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00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: he is under contract, you don't have to pay the

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: signing bonus which other team already paid. It actually helps

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00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: the contractual value of it. Even though you have one

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00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: fewer years of fewer years of control. So there are

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Speaker 1: there are different aspects to it. Mike and California will

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: be our final. Oh, by the way, we want to

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00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: mention Sam byeo real quick, Michael, get a second Yeah,

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00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: he will compete for that starting cornerbacks because we have

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00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: no idea who the second starting corner is, right, So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got a shot. He's in the mix. They are

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: very high on Sadly, Paul and I really didn't get

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00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: much of a chancy and play last year because he practiced.

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00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: How about not before he got hurt? I watched him

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Speaker 1: play about six players in practice, so I don't look

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00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: at feel for him as a player yet, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: he'll have a chance. Mike in California. What's up, buddy?

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00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Hey boys, how you doing about? What's up? Uh? First

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Speaker 1: of all, Paul, you are not a loser. Love him, buddy.

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00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm just old school. Like I said, thank you, oh

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Speaker 1: Man always earlier in the week. Uh, that broke that

1115
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: Pepper's interview. I mean, the kids just hit all everything

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00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear, I Phil, he was smiling from

1117
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: ear to hear, his his dedication to special teams, his

1118
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: film study, um, playing uh at full speed looking for

1119
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: every advantage. Landon Collins for me was um and disappointment

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Speaker 1: only because he started out so good and he progressively

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00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: every year has gotten worse. Um. He got exposed far

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00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: as not being really good at coverage. Uh, tight ends

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Speaker 1: were just abusing this. But I'll say this though, when

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Speaker 1: you drafted him in the second round, if I would

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Speaker 1: have told you his four year giant career would have

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Speaker 1: went the way it went and he was in one

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Speaker 1: year second or third in the defensive Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year category, I think you would have said that was

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Speaker 1: a pretty successful draft. Amazing exactly, Paul, absolutely, but what

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Speaker 1: if what if you would have known that he was

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00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: going to step take steps back every year after that

1132
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: and be injured and be looking for a mass contract.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I like Collins. Please only understand what

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00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was one of my favorite players, but

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00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: he was on a decline and the injuries just really

1136
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: scared me. And being the history of US investing in

1137
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: players who get injured O'Dell with his big contract and

1138
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: he didn't play full season, I couldn't stomach another contract

1139
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Speaker 1: where we're dishing out all this money and getting substandard play.

1140
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: Um and again, Colins great box defender, huge hitter, but

1141
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: his coverage was terrible, and you know, safety, we need

1142
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: to be able to invest in UM kind of a

1143
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: talent that could do it all. Might have to be

1144
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: an outstanding lockdown coverage safety, but he just had to

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Speaker 1: be able to hold his own Michael look beating him

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Speaker 1: on the regular I just want I just want to

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Speaker 1: add one thing to you, and and I hope you're

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Speaker 1: listening as as as we move on and close out

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Speaker 1: the show. I appreciate all the different angles that that

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00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: people can look at Collins through there are certainly positives

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: and there are some some some inadequacies. There's no doubt

1152
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: about that he played well enough though to get that

1153
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: contract from the right. We've gone through all these things,

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00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: but let's not forget as well when Colin had his

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Speaker 1: best season with the Giants and was in the running

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Speaker 1: for the NFL Defensive Player of the Year. That was

1157
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: a year when the defense was one of the best

1158
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: defenses in the year of the year, and he had

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Speaker 1: guys surrounding him and and the unit was outstanding, and

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01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: he was just eight an intrical part of a terrific unit.

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Speaker 1: As the unit decintegrated over the last two years of

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Speaker 1: his career, and he was asked not just to be

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Speaker 1: the best player on that unit, but literally superman because

1164
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: guess what the free safety next to him really wasn't

1165
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: giving him a lot of help. And guess what the

1166
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Speaker 1: pass rush really wasn't given the secondary a lot of help.

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Speaker 1: And guess what the linebackers were forcing Landon to make

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: two people's worth the tackles because they weren't given him

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: a lot of help. Let's understand something. Landon Collins had

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of responsibility put on his shoulders by

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Speaker 1: subpar defensive players around him. I just want to be clear.

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Speaker 1: Folks again had some amount of quescies, but had some

1173
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: really good things about him as well, And I just

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Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to necessarily pile on to any

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01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: one of his inadequacies because there were always so many

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01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: factors to consider. That's all I agree. Paul Good Show,

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Speaker 1: Yeah sure, Paul and Lance, So try to get on

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Speaker 1: Reporter down in Alabama talk about the Alabama Pro Day.

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Speaker 1: And I'm working on Ohio State for Friday. To make

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Speaker 1: sure you check that out at Giants dot com on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live in the coming days for

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Speaker 1: a Paul Tino, I'm John Schmilk. We'll see you next

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Speaker 1: time on Giants dot Com. Everybody, have a great Wednesday.