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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: We're discussing the twelve phases of dying. Can you define

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Speaker 2: the twelve phases as you understand them?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. We're all spirits attached to a body having a

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Speaker 4: human experience. Most of us have heard that, probably more

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Speaker 4: than once. And as the person is dying, for our

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Speaker 4: conversation this evening, Richard, let's say that the person is

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Speaker 4: in a bed just for just to make it easy,

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Speaker 4: the first thing that happens is the spirit exits through

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Speaker 4: the top of the head and it hangs on to

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Speaker 4: the top of the head. It looks like a cartoon

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Speaker 4: caption bubble, one like a speech bubble where the cartoon

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Speaker 4: characters thoughts or comments are encapsulated. And the first spirit

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Speaker 4: to show up is the maternal spirit that raised the

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Speaker 4: person who's dying. Now this surprised me. I thought God

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Speaker 4: probably had like a death and dying department where they'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: you know, Molly sues diying in Mississippi, so dispatch a

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Speaker 4: bunch of angels to go help. And angels are there,

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Speaker 4: but it's the maternal spirit that brings them in, which

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Speaker 4: was a big surprise and back to my mom. Was

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Speaker 4: the first time I saw this Richard in two thousand

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Speaker 4: and two, and it was my mem It was my

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Speaker 4: maternal grandmother who was the first one to show up

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Speaker 4: and was running this show from the spirit world. And

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Speaker 4: then the paternal spirit shows up, the closest person who

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Speaker 4: would be a father figure if let's say, on the

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Speaker 4: maternal figure. If the person who's dying is adopted, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be the adopted mother's spirit who runs the show.

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Speaker 4: If a grandmother or a great aunt or somebody raised

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Speaker 4: the person who's dying, it's always going to be that

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Speaker 4: woman on the maternal side.

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Speaker 2: What if the god forbid the child dies before the parent.

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Speaker 4: So in my case, my mother's deceased, so my mother

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Speaker 4: would be there. If my mother was still alive, it

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Speaker 4: would be my maternal grandmother. If she was still alive,

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Speaker 4: it would be her mother. It's always on the maternal side. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the interesting thing about that is with the adopted

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Speaker 4: mothers too, it's not the birth mother.

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Speaker 3: It's the one that raises the person.

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Speaker 4: Sure so yeah, so they come in and then the

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Speaker 4: angels come in, and as I mentioned, these are huge angels,

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Speaker 4: big wings, all of that and they form a circle

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Speaker 4: with the parental spirits anchoring at the foot of the person. Again,

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Speaker 4: our example is somebody who's in a bed, and then

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Speaker 4: as the person gets closer to passing, that circle opens

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Speaker 4: up into a horseshoe and then eventually a straight line

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Speaker 4: across the foot of the bed. And I call that

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Speaker 4: line angelic crowd control because there are so many spirits

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Speaker 4: that show up that it's just like dots on the horizon.

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Speaker 4: And the funniest thing about it, Richard, is there dressed

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Speaker 4: in period attire like we basically came and people and

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Speaker 4: Renaissance people and go go boots and miniskirts from.

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Speaker 3: The nineteen sixties and so people.

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Speaker 4: Again, our spirits are always going to show up how

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Speaker 4: they appear to us, so well know who they are.

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Speaker 4: So the spirits start to show up about phase six ish,

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Speaker 4: couple of nuances.

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Speaker 3: Animals. Spirits show up midway through as well.

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Speaker 4: And if a person, if the person who's dying either

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Speaker 4: lives on a farm or grew up on a farm,

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Speaker 4: a farm animals, and I'll say.

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Speaker 3: Did your grabma grow up on a farm?

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Speaker 4: Because there's like chicks and ducks and cows and horses,

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Speaker 4: and they.

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, how'd you knowize all these animals are there?

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Speaker 3: And then a couple of other interesting nuances that I'd

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Speaker 4: Midway through about phase five, there are two extra angels

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Speaker 4: that show up Richard, and they position themselves on either

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Speaker 3: And when that happened with my mom, I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: this is going to be interesting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I knew they would play a role, but

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Speaker 4: I had no idea what they were going to do. Well,

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Speaker 4: I learned at between phase nine and phase ten their

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Speaker 4: wings start to move and they create this slow rhythmic

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Speaker 4: movement that has an upward pull, like a sucking sensation.

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Speaker 4: It really reminded me of being in the car wash

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Speaker 3: Off your car.

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Speaker 2: That's that's my favorite part.

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Speaker 4: Find out me too, and so especially if they've sprayed

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Speaker 4: your windshield with rainex and stuff and the water all

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Speaker 3: So with my mom, I was watching.

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Speaker 4: That and I thought, Okay, that's how the spirit's gonna evacuate,

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Speaker 4: And that's in fact what happened, and then those two

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Speaker 4: angels escort the spirit to heaven, and we can talk

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Speaker 4: about that more in a minute.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, though, when.

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Speaker 4: I was writing Angelica Attendance just for kicks, I put

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Speaker 4: I did an Internet search, and these big wings reminded

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Speaker 4: me of a giant owl. If you've ever seen a

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Speaker 4: giant owl fly, or maybe seen a documentary on it,

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Speaker 4: you know you can almost feel the drag from their wings.

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Speaker 3: Well, I put in the.

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Speaker 4: Search engine wings vortex owl. Come to find out, there's

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Speaker 4: this aeronautical engineering phenomenon called the wingtip vortex, which is

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Speaker 4: how the air goes other over and under a wing,

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Speaker 4: and it creates a vortex that causes left everything replies,

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Speaker 4: every jet, every plane, every kite, every bird, every bug.

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Speaker 4: And I thought, oh my goodness, these angels wings were

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Speaker 4: creating something I could see, I could hear, I could feel.

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Speaker 4: And I did a research little exercise online and there

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Speaker 4: are thousands and thousands of pictures and articles and diagrams

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Speaker 4: and stuff. Every pilot knows about the wingtip vortex. And

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Speaker 4: I thought, here's something happening in the spirit world that's

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Speaker 4: causing something I can perceive in my human reality. And

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Speaker 4: it helps the helps the body and the spirit separate

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Speaker 4: and the body go on to or the spirit to

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Speaker 4: go on to heaven. I thought that was remarkable.

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Speaker 2: That is very cool. Is there a phase that signals

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Speaker 2: death is imminent?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I always tell families that when

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Speaker 4: their loved one gets to about phase nine, they want

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Speaker 4: to be bringing the other family members in because you know,

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Speaker 4: at the end of life, people are taking time off work.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they're traveling far distances to be with their loved

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Speaker 4: one and be there before they pass. So I always

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Speaker 4: have them come in. The other thing I suggest that

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Speaker 4: they do in addition to getting a freak copy in

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Speaker 4: my book at Julie Ryangift dot com, is to go

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Speaker 4: to my website ask Julie Ryan dot com and on

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Speaker 4: the twelve phases tab that there's a chart that's illustrations

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Speaker 4: of all the different phases. Richard and I say, download

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Speaker 4: it and save it on your phone, and then you

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Speaker 4: just ask what phases my dad and what phases my

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Speaker 4: grandma in and you'll hear a number in your head

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Speaker 4: and then it's the first thing that comes in and

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Speaker 4: when you ask that question, and then you can refer

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Speaker 4: to the chart and if you see that your loved

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Speaker 4: ones moving through the phases fairly rapidly, then you know

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Speaker 3: Rest of the family members.

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Speaker 2: My mother in law, God rest her soul, it was

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Speaker 2: an absolute saint. Died in the house where I am

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Speaker 2: right now, in her late eighties, mid eighties, I guess,

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Speaker 2: And in her last weeks. She was sitting on the

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Speaker 2: her over a tray of food. And while she was

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Speaker 2: mother in law just shouted out in astonishment. She goes, oh,

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Speaker 2: do you see this? And my wife came into the

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Speaker 2: family room, wore she was and see what?

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Speaker 1: Mom?

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Speaker 2: See what? And she said, look on my plate, and

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Speaker 2: she described what she thought was a fairy flying over

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Speaker 2: and then dying on her plate. Have you heard anything

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Speaker 2: like that before? I haven't.

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Speaker 3: I've seen fairies.

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Speaker 4: I've seen them both in Ireland and then also here

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Speaker 4: in Birmingham where I live, Birmingham, Alabama, in the southeast US.

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Speaker 3: Uh. But no, I haven't heard that before.

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Speaker 4: But I think that that would make sense to me

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Speaker 4: that the fairy was perhaps an een. They call those

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Speaker 4: elementals and they look like tinker Bell, although I have

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Speaker 4: a funny story about that in a minute, but that

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Speaker 4: elemental was probably one of her spirit guys that was

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Speaker 4: showing her that she was going to be with her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, fascinating. Yeah, may I share my yes,

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Speaker 4: So I was in Ireland summer before last, and I

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Speaker 3: It was early in the morning, and so I said, okay,

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Speaker 4: Out and say hi, And all these fairies came out

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Speaker 4: from the woods Richard, and they started circling me like

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Speaker 3: And then there were more.

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Speaker 4: Elementals that looked like little Leprechrins and other little I

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Speaker 4: A couple of weeks later, I was in the botanical

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Speaker 4: out and say hello, and they did, and they encircled

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Speaker 4: me again. But they looked different. I mean, they looked

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Speaker 4: like fairies, but they were dressed differently. Were dressed like

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Speaker 4: University of Alabama major reds.

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Speaker 3: Like with a secret leotard on.

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Speaker 4: I said, they said, you guys, you have different a

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Speaker 3: They said, well, everybody's gonna have different outphits on depending

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Speaker 4: You know, people dressed differently in different parts of the world.

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Speaker 4: What's the big deal. I just thought that was hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, They're just everywhere, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: They look like twirler reds from the University of Alabama.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to the dying process. Does medication or if

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Speaker 2: someone is on life support, does that all to the process.

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Speaker 3: It does not.

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Speaker 4: No, we all decide where we go, when we go,

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Speaker 4: how we go, and who's with us or not when

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Speaker 4: we go, which gives people a lot of comfort when

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Speaker 4: they learn that because so many times, especially during the pandemic,

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Speaker 4: people were just so distraught because they couldn't be with

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Speaker 4: their loved one at the end of their lives. And

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Speaker 4: they were just saying, oh my gosh, they died alone.

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Speaker 3: Well, nobody ever dies alone.

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Speaker 4: We're all surrounded by angels and the spirits of deceased

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Speaker 4: loved ones and pets. So we think, okay, if we

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Speaker 4: would have done something differently, you know, if we would

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Speaker 4: have given them this medicine or taken them to this

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Speaker 4: doctor or that doctor.

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Speaker 3: Again, we all decide when we go, where we go,

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Speaker 3: how we go, who's with us or not.

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Speaker 4: When we go and talk to any critical care provider,

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Speaker 4: they will tell you endless stories about that. Heck, talk

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Speaker 4: to any hospice provider, talk to any funeral director because

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Speaker 2: What about unresolved emotional trauma? Can that delay or complicate dying?

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Speaker 4: for them to go, and I have thousands of stories

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Speaker 4: person who's dying relax and then they can go ahead

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Speaker 4: and transition. But it's fascinating when people are feeling so

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Speaker 4: something else going on, really that's the best thing for them.

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Speaker 4: So we have to say, okay, we're going to be fine,

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Speaker 4: watch over us from heaven, and then they go ahead

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Speaker 4: and go on to heaven and they're escorted by angels.

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