Speaker 1: And Jimmy Johnson looks across their inter he goes, really
Speaker 1: got the video? I go, I got the video, and
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw goes, He's okay with me. Thank you, my
Speaker 1: best friend, God Almighty in heaven. Hi. My name is
Speaker 1: Jay Glazer and I'm here to fuck shit up.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, And as you undoubtedly know, this is
Speaker 2: the podcast we like to call Off the Beat, and
Speaker 2: I am the host. You like to call Brian Bomgartner. Now,
Speaker 2: if you watch football, or if you've ever watched football,
Speaker 2: my guess is you know my guest today, Jay Glazer,
Speaker 2: sports reporter extraordinaire.
Speaker 3: He is a.
Speaker 2: Powerhouse NFL Fox insider with deep knowledge of the game.
Speaker 2: He knows the players, he knows the politics. He has
Speaker 2: his finger firmly on the pulse of all breaking news,
Speaker 2: and he's he's always got the scoop. He is the
Speaker 2: best in the business. He also trains athletes and celebrities
Speaker 2: all year round at his gym Unbreakable Performance Center in
Speaker 2: West Hollywood. Jay knows everyone. I'm telling you, he knows
Speaker 2: absolutely everyone in the sports and entertainment world. And I
Speaker 2: am lucky to call him a friend. But Jay's not
Speaker 2: just some big, burly guy who's all about physical fitness
Speaker 2: and fighting in the MMA. No, he is very dedicated
Speaker 2: to mental and emotional wellness as well. Jay has been
Speaker 2: very open about his personal mental health struggles and on
Speaker 2: his podcast Unbreakable, he talks with experts, celebrities, and recently
Speaker 2: me about different types of tools and techniques to deal
Speaker 2: with these issues, both big and small. Jay also runs
Speaker 2: an amazing program. I have been a part of this,
Speaker 2: at least peripherally for a long time, MVP merging vets
Speaker 2: and players, and what he does is he brings combat
Speaker 2: veterans and former athletes together for workouts and for emotional
Speaker 2: support so they can give each other the support and
Speaker 2: camaraderie that they used to have on their respective teams
Speaker 2: or troops. This is an amazing concept and it has
Speaker 2: helped a lot of people. It's a new year, it's
Speaker 2: playoff season, it's Tuesday. All of these are wonderful reasons
Speaker 2: to hear from my friend, the one and only Jay Glazer.
Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak, I love it, Bubble and Squeakano, Bubble.
Speaker 2: And Squeak, I cook at every more lift over.
Speaker 1: From the Nay.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 1: Jay? Oh my dude, how are you, buddy?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm great now that I'm seeing you. How
Speaker 3: are you doing.
Speaker 1: Living the dream? Dude trying?
Speaker 3: How's it going? I'm playoff football?
Speaker 1: Always excited. Man, it's been great. It's been a wild
Speaker 1: year for us. We've been on the road more this
Speaker 1: year than we normally have been. But yeah, we love
Speaker 1: this man.
Speaker 3: Like the studio has been remote more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we did a show from Air Force Academy
Speaker 1: that we did show from Thanksgiving in New York for
Speaker 1: the bread and then the follow up show there and
Speaker 1: then man, I've just been traveling all over the case.
Speaker 3: Right, It's great.
Speaker 1: I love it, man, I love it. It's the best
Speaker 1: best reality show in the world.
Speaker 3: You know it really it is. Actually someone just told
Speaker 3: me last night.
Speaker 1: Wait have we started yet?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're yeah, we're going.
Speaker 1: Well you gotta give me like your heads up. No,
Speaker 1: what is it? It's go over start right? Nown?
Speaker 2: But and are we allot of I mean, I know
Speaker 2: you're a professional and you love the word action, but no,
Speaker 2: we just go And.
Speaker 1: What's my language need to be for your podcast? Do
Speaker 1: I need to be clean or no?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No to clean? This might be wrong. Someone told me
Speaker 2: this last night. This was not researched by me. Of
Speaker 2: the top one hundred programs on network television through the year,
Speaker 2: was it ninety three?
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the number, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. And even if you like man our pregame show,
Speaker 1: the ratings for a pregram show, I just asked somebody
Speaker 1: Fox here that I said, why were we not included
Speaker 1: in the top like for a ratings for a pregim
Speaker 1: show in all the top shows? Because our pregame show
Speaker 1: is like six million, right, and that's nine o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning on the East Coast and Fox and l Sunday.
Speaker 1: But our ot which is after the game, gets you know,
Speaker 1: stupid number like you know sixteen million or eighteen million,
Speaker 1: ethic are set along those lines, and we're not included
Speaker 1: in you know, the ratings. Not that we look at
Speaker 1: ratings or well, obviously you want to be the best
Speaker 1: way you do, right, but yeah, but yeah, you look
Speaker 1: at that sometimes you're like fuck, yeah, man, looking where
Speaker 1: we are, like why are we not put in there
Speaker 1: and included with everybody else? But I think it's a
Speaker 1: it's you know in all sports, is we're escapism and
Speaker 1: the crazier this world has gotten, the more people I
Speaker 1: think need this escapism. And with football, it's the greatest
Speaker 1: reality show in the world. You can't make this shit up, right,
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's it's for me. I've always gone out
Speaker 1: also like, look, man, I don't cover the Middle East, right,
Speaker 1: We're not that important. We're just sports and our job
Speaker 1: is to give everybody a break from how fucked up
Speaker 1: this world could be. And you know, the issues and
Speaker 1: the problems that we do have so the more. And
Speaker 1: that's why our show also in particular, we try and
Speaker 1: make people laugh. We want people to laugh, Like we're
Speaker 1: going to give you great information constantly, and but we're
Speaker 1: going to try and make you laugh all so to
Speaker 1: give you that break that we need for the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it is.
Speaker 2: It has become the collective American experience, right. I mean
Speaker 2: it used to be, you know, everybody was sitting down
Speaker 2: and watching mash together or friends or the office or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. But now it's that lot like what's
Speaker 2: going to happen? I need to know now and experience
Speaker 2: it together. We're texting where you know, facetiming each other
Speaker 2: as a play happens.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now it's even more because look, fantasy football definitely changed
Speaker 1: my life being an insider information guy right and now
Speaker 1: betting even more so because people are waiting, especially my
Speaker 1: ins and out segment end of what I'm going to say,
Speaker 1: but also, like you know, there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: moving parts and things that we all may say during
Speaker 1: the show where all of a sudden it changes the betting line.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a time last year, two
Speaker 1: years ago where I came on and I said, I know,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's listed as questionable and there's another network that's
Speaker 1: saying they're waiting for his pregame warm ups to see
Speaker 1: what happens. I said, not only is he not going
Speaker 1: to play today, but he's out the next two or
Speaker 1: three weeks. And they pulled the game. One of the
Speaker 1: casinos pulled the.
Speaker 3: Whole game off the betting line.
Speaker 1: The betting line based on that information somebody Fox had
Speaker 1: told me. And I'm like, oh, ship, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of that's it. That's that's a lot of juice. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility too. I realized my life changed
Speaker 1: with football. With Fennish football, when my dad called me
Speaker 1: one day and he said, could you ask your friend
Speaker 1: John Fox if Steven Davis is gonna get a lot
Speaker 1: of carries this week? And I'm like, oh fux, So
Speaker 1: I called Foxy up. I go, Foxy, how much is
Speaker 1: Stephen Davis playing this week? And He's like, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: Do you care?
Speaker 1: Like you don't care? You care about who starting who's not?
Speaker 1: Like I said, man, my dad's called him first fantasy
Speaker 1: football team.
Speaker 3: Because you should be.
Speaker 1: I said, no, He goes, You're really called me because
Speaker 1: your dad's fantasy football team. I said, I am. He said,
Speaker 1: tell your dad to sit him.
Speaker 3: Oh he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you. See that's where you you know.
Speaker 2: I, uh, clearly not as many relationships as you have,
Speaker 2: but you know I have some relationships. So yeah, across
Speaker 2: across the league. That for me is hard and fast.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. And I'll get asked sometimes too,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, I'm not I'm not calling about
Speaker 2: game plan or yeah, like no for for fantasy football,
Speaker 2: but good for you.
Speaker 3: Good for I used to have.
Speaker 1: I used to have I used to be on and
Speaker 1: the two ones I crack up about the most I
Speaker 1: get calls from Michael Phelps, who now like that's my
Speaker 1: battle buddy. You know. Phelps and I talk a lot
Speaker 1: when we're both have you know, depression anxign and we
Speaker 1: talk about openly. But when now we know, like we're
Speaker 1: having an episode, he'll call me, so I could be
Speaker 1: there for him. I'll call him, or I'll just check
Speaker 1: up on him sometimes, or he'll check up on me
Speaker 1: back in the dis So we're really close. But before
Speaker 1: we got close like this, he would be like his
Speaker 1: you know, his little freaking drinking stoner buddies whatever, and
Speaker 1: they would call me up. I'd be on the middle
Speaker 1: of you know, Fox, and he'd be like, oh wait.
Speaker 1: I'd answer the phone, like in between segments, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's up, dude, And he'd be like with his friends,
Speaker 1: like wait, wait, I got him on the phone. We
Speaker 1: got on the phone, Hey, would you take the Ravens
Speaker 1: and the points or in the Giants and the under
Speaker 1: my felt so I don't fucking know, Like he'd be
Speaker 1: talking to those buddies, and the other was Chuck Liddell
Speaker 1: and your boy David Spade. Spade has like nine fantasy leagues,
Speaker 1: and he would at least he would call collectively with
Speaker 1: like eight questions. But Chuck would call and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: uh is LAMARJ Jackson going today? Yeah? I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's fine, He's okay, great, And he'd hang up and
Speaker 1: he'll call back two seconds later and go, hey, uh
Speaker 1: ish is mark Ing Room played today? And be like yeah,
Speaker 1: Chuck Markmans plays okay? And then but you would call
Speaker 1: it a times like hey, Chuck, can we get like
Speaker 1: one call with all your questions instead of fucking eight?
Speaker 1: I know we're punching your ship here. We just like
Speaker 1: get wee call together. But it's been it's been. What
Speaker 1: a wild ride it has been?
Speaker 3: Brother?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna talk some more about that and
Speaker 2: about this year. I want to talk about your ute
Speaker 2: a little bit. You grew up in uh in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: I like to say.
Speaker 1: I like to say I grew up outside New York.
Speaker 2: Out outside of New York, just just outside of New
Speaker 2: York City?
Speaker 3: Was football a part of your life early growing up?
Speaker 1: So I was a wrestler and I played football for
Speaker 1: one year in high school but realized either I had
Speaker 1: a cutweight or ad weight. And I loved wrestling and
Speaker 1: I love I love individual sports a lot more because
Speaker 1: I like to know I'm the reason that I won
Speaker 1: or lost, not because somebody else has worked ethic and
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately for me growing up, when I when
Speaker 1: I was wrestling, I cut a lot of weight. I
Speaker 1: wrestled you love this man. Freshman sophomore years, I was
Speaker 1: one oh one, this.
Speaker 3: Is one up.
Speaker 1: And then my junior year man is where I really
Speaker 1: kind of fucked myself up. I wrestled one o six.
Speaker 1: I cut from one thirty three, and I would cut
Speaker 1: from basically one twenty one to one oh six twice
Speaker 1: a week. I would only eat Wednesdays and Saturdays after
Speaker 1: our meats, and if I didn't pin you early, I
Speaker 1: was fucked, I guess because I just cut way too
Speaker 1: much weight. And then end of my season early because
Speaker 1: of some health issues, were cut too much weight, went
Speaker 1: up to one fourteen. But that all season I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. Kind of people didn't really
Speaker 1: know who I was, and I wrestled a higher weight
Speaker 1: and it was great. It was kind of just blown
Speaker 1: through everybody, and I had really good freshmen and sophomore
Speaker 1: seasons and went underfeet of both years in junior varsity.
Speaker 1: But then my senior year, like I came out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: was winning all these off season tournaments, and we had
Speaker 1: a scrimmage and somebody else who was a huge name
Speaker 1: at one fourteen, and I knew that at some point
Speaker 1: he and I were going to meet up in the
Speaker 1: state at one point, and man, we just started the
Speaker 1: scrimmage and pop freaking pop my knee and injured my
Speaker 1: knee and didn't really recover from it senior year. So
Speaker 1: I loved football. Football is my escape. Like I was
Speaker 1: a huge Giant fan growing up. And you know, my
Speaker 1: dad and I had a season tickets Section three eleven,
Speaker 1: row eighteen, seats twenty and twenty one, so you remember that,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of like the best times I
Speaker 1: ever had with my dad growing up. Was going to
Speaker 1: do that, And you know, ironically, my first paid gig
Speaker 1: was covering the Giants in ninety three. It took four
Speaker 1: years to get a first paid gig. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the paid gig was nine four hundred and fifty bucks
Speaker 1: a year, like my first eleven years.
Speaker 3: Can make it in New York? Is not expend New York.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know right, Like you know, I had
Speaker 1: I had to play like bill's roulette, like which bill
Speaker 1: would I, you know, not pay this month? The only
Speaker 1: bill I knew. I had to play with my phone
Speaker 1: bill because I had to get information right right. He
Speaker 1: was turned off all the time, electricity's turned off, guy's
Speaker 1: patting down the door for my rent all the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I'm you know, my add is
Speaker 1: taken over here. But yeah, I was a huge football fan.
Speaker 1: Too small though to do anything at football because how
Speaker 1: much I had to keep my weight down in wrestling.
Speaker 2: You know, I do want to mention I was not
Speaker 2: planning to talk about this, but I my nephew, so
Speaker 2: my sister.
Speaker 3: They lived in Germany for a while.
Speaker 2: He really got into soccer and basketball.
Speaker 3: He's an athlete.
Speaker 2: He last year he had an injury kind of kept
Speaker 2: him out of soccer for a little bit. He started
Speaker 2: wrestling as a freshman there high school in Georgia one state.
Speaker 2: He this year as a sophomore, is now wrestling for varsity.
Speaker 2: He has transformed himself. He loves it. He's now not
Speaker 2: playing soccer. I just talked to my sister yesterday. He's
Speaker 2: not playing soccer in the because he wants to focus
Speaker 2: on that and he was talking or she was talking
Speaker 2: to me about the community that he has made. What
Speaker 2: you said is what made me think of it. It's
Speaker 2: an individual sport, but the community, the coaches, how they
Speaker 2: work together. He absolutely loves it and not absolutely loves it.
Speaker 1: I learned everything really from wrestling, and what I mean
Speaker 1: by that, as I learned the grind and wrestling is
Speaker 1: the support. People don't watch, so it's like, how do
Speaker 1: you become great? It's all those hours you put in
Speaker 1: when nobody's watching, right, And that's what a wrestler is, right.
Speaker 1: You're grinding, you're drilling, you're drilling. You're drilling, you're drilling.
Speaker 1: And the way I got to where I am in
Speaker 1: my career is I just outworked everybody. And I just
Speaker 1: said I'll be the last motherfucker standing every day. I
Speaker 1: will outwork him. I'll work them, I'll work them, and
Speaker 1: I don't mind if if people, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: whip my ass on the way up, I will just
Speaker 1: outgrinde him until everybody eventually says, like, holy fuck, he's
Speaker 1: still standing there, He's still here. And that's the wrestler's
Speaker 1: grind of just doing it over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over and not until you get her right, just
Speaker 1: so you don't do it wrong right, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's that's really how I got to around my career,
Speaker 1: just out working the world and constantly beating down people's
Speaker 1: doors and you know, willing to be rejected a million times.
Speaker 1: And I got that from wrestling. I got that grind
Speaker 1: from wrestling.
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, so you went to Pace So.
Speaker 1: No, when people don't know it's my first college. We
Speaker 1: were doing bad jersey things. Let's say that.
Speaker 3: Okay, in the late eighties, okay.
Speaker 1: And I knew I needed to leave. There was bad
Speaker 1: things ahead, right, you know, death for jail or something
Speaker 1: like that. So I know I needed to leave and
Speaker 1: kind of get away. So I went to Westchester University
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania without seeing it, only because they had a
Speaker 1: boxing team. I didn't want to wrestle anymore because I
Speaker 1: don't want to cut wait, but I was someone competing
Speaker 1: in an individual sports. So I went down there, and
Speaker 1: little did I know it was a dry campus and
Speaker 1: a dry town. I got kicked out of Westchester for
Speaker 1: quote unquote disciplinary problems after a semester and a half,
Speaker 1: and I went back and I went back to start
Speaker 1: doing jersey things, and I actually signed went and met
Speaker 1: in Checaucus, New Jersey with a certain crime family to
Speaker 1: sign to box for them, and that was going to
Speaker 1: be my future and I was really excited about it.
Speaker 1: And the day before my first practice was supposed to
Speaker 1: be in Jersey City and it's like, God hit me
Speaker 1: with a lighting boat, like.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're not even a talent, You're Jewish, Like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? And I never I never showed up practice,
Speaker 1: thank god, because I think my crew got a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble after that. And I went to New York City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to pay College downtown Manhattan, but the cheapest
Speaker 1: place I could live, and New York City as your campus.
Speaker 1: You got to grow up in a hurry, and I
Speaker 1: grew up fast again. I got that kind of wrestlers driwing.
Speaker 1: I went and I worked a billion things like bar
Speaker 1: backed and bartended and bounced, and I foxed, and I
Speaker 1: did stand up comedy in the city and I did
Speaker 1: anything and everything you possibly good, just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: make ends meet and eventually pay rent out there as
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard.
Speaker 2: Well, I read you studied speech communications and media studies.
Speaker 2: Was sports what you wanted to do? You wanted to
Speaker 2: do sports.
Speaker 1: Well, I love sports, but I would take anything. So
Speaker 1: my first internship was in nineteen eighty nine and Lifestyles
Speaker 1: the Rich and Famous with Robin Leach. That's my first one.
Speaker 1: I got. Yeah, really yep. So I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: do anything. I just knew it. I didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: and I definitely wanted to entertain in some way, but
Speaker 1: I would have been a producer, camera mad in anything.
Speaker 1: And you're right. I went to Pace for communications, right,
Speaker 1: I really go to class. I got you know. I
Speaker 1: was actually one of the first adults diagnosed with adult
Speaker 1: add on the East Coast of America RELAW in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine, and they put me on freaking riddling in
Speaker 1: eighty nine. And I used to have to go explain
Speaker 1: to my teachers, you know, hey, I got it. Just
Speaker 1: take a break from class for a second, take this
Speaker 1: bill and kind of put some order on my face.
Speaker 1: And all my teachers thought I was full of shit.
Speaker 1: So I didn't really go to class. I just went
Speaker 1: to like mid terms and finals. But I would work,
Speaker 1: i'd bartend, and I would intern. I was interning at
Speaker 1: WFA and Radio, and I was I got a job
Speaker 1: logging tape at CBS Sports for fifty bucks a game.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I was doing stand up comedy in
Speaker 1: the city at like Boston Comedy Club and stand Up
Speaker 1: New York. A lot of people don't know that, and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to grint. So if something like
Speaker 1: in comedy popped up, I would have done that, if
Speaker 1: something that's sports popped up. I took like a writing
Speaker 1: class and I ended up bullshitting my way into a
Speaker 1: job with the New York Post but also writing covering
Speaker 1: the Giants in ninety three for zero dollars, and then
Speaker 1: the New York Post in ninety five as their NFL insided,
Speaker 1: for two hundred and fifty dollars a week, which came
Speaker 1: out to nine grand a year. That was the nine
Speaker 1: thousand and four to fifty in the four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty bucks, and I eventually got a job at New
Speaker 1: York one TV. I got three payments of one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars and I did a weekly show for
Speaker 1: them for a car service because I'm like, man, chicks
Speaker 1: will dig this, and bro I did this for I
Speaker 1: didn't get a full time job untill ninety nine, so
Speaker 1: I started in the business. Those internships in eighty nine,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until ninety nine, but I covered the
Speaker 1: giants all those years, you know, hence the add But like,
Speaker 1: I walked in that giant locker room in ninety three
Speaker 1: and I looked around at everybody said, I don't have
Speaker 1: the experience of them, I don't have the education and
Speaker 1: everybody else, how could I be different? And one I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: like I got that wrestler's ride. These cats working nine
Speaker 1: to five. I love working out by a little by
Speaker 1: a lot, but that prevented me from working other jobs
Speaker 1: to like pay my bills. So if they're going to
Speaker 1: work forty hours, I work one hundred. And I did.
Speaker 1: And the only way I got around, thank god, is
Speaker 1: I met this goofy guy with bad teeth on our
Speaker 1: first week and we became best friends. And that was
Speaker 1: Michael Strahan and thank god, and he drove me back
Speaker 1: in the city every single day till I got my
Speaker 1: first full time job in ninety nine. So I only
Speaker 1: twenty six grand and Lincoln Tunnel Fair. But they those
Speaker 1: players appreciated my grind. But the other thing I said
Speaker 1: is I said, Okay, how could I be different? Man?
Speaker 1: All these cats were using their pen as a weapon.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start relationships with people. I'm gonna I got
Speaker 1: more in common with these players and coaches, and I
Speaker 1: did my fellow media. And with the relationships will come
Speaker 1: the exclusives and scoops. Right, And I got murdered for
Speaker 1: it for the first yeah, five, six, seven, eight, ten
Speaker 1: years whatever, just chilling for it. But now everybody has
Speaker 1: relationships and that's how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Were there insiders at this point, I mean there were
Speaker 2: beat writers which won Will McDonough okay.
Speaker 1: First and then Gary Myers is doing an HBO show
Speaker 1: and on inside the NFL. But no, so I kind
Speaker 1: of that said straight and used to say, you've created
Speaker 1: an industry out of nothing, like you've got nothing.
Speaker 2: And by being good to people's right, I mean being
Speaker 2: good to people and having them want to be around you.
Speaker 1: And then but giving out this information. I started realizing
Speaker 1: more and more people want this inside information. This is
Speaker 1: when that whole internet thing first came out, which I
Speaker 1: think is going to take off. I was the first,
Speaker 1: like made it by minute, breaking news guy in the country.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if I could break stuff on this
Speaker 1: internet thing and get news out immediately, man, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's it's on there, and I got I was doing
Speaker 1: it for CBS, Porcelain dot Com was me versus a
Speaker 1: guy named Lynn Pascarelli at ESPN dot com, and John
Speaker 1: Clayton and and and the rest of peasts and the
Speaker 1: great Chris Mortenson to really really the first ones, and
Speaker 1: then after that I try to always pick a fight
Speaker 1: with ESPN because I had this fight background. I went
Speaker 1: from wrestling to boxing to Mitch Martial Arts early and
Speaker 1: the only kind of mainstream guys who were in it
Speaker 1: back then, mainstream if you will, were Me and Brogan
Speaker 1: and Kevin James and David's Fade. They were really into it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I kind of made it try to
Speaker 1: pick a fight with ESPN because I knew I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to work with them. So every time I broke
Speaker 1: a story and they try to steal it, I'd, you know,
Speaker 1: make a big deal about it and everywhere I could.
Speaker 1: And it was a good brand, and eventually Fox saw
Speaker 1: it and thank god hired me an O four from
Speaker 1: CBS and the Man of Rest. Then is my twentieth
Speaker 1: year with Fox and Noble Sunday, and we've been around
Speaker 1: for thirty years, and yeah, they saved my life.
Speaker 3: It's you know they It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I could pay my not making nine grand a year anymore,
Speaker 1: But I've got the family. Like, the reason why we're
Speaker 1: so great at what we do is me, Howie, Tarry,
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Stray. We freaking love each other, like we
Speaker 1: are best manned each other's weddings. It's been a lot
Speaker 1: of freaking weddings. Yeah, well a lot of us suck
Speaker 1: at that fathers of each other's kids. Like we we
Speaker 1: vacation together, we do Thanksgivings together, we do Poldays together,
Speaker 1: we donears together. We do in the off season, we
Speaker 1: all go to Vegas together, we go somewhere else together.
Speaker 1: Like we're constantly hanging out. And I think that shows
Speaker 1: absolutely right. When you guys invited, it's your choice who
Speaker 1: you watch in the pregame show and who do you
Speaker 1: want to fight in your in your home every week
Speaker 1: and for thirty years, thank god you all invited us in.
Speaker 2: Did you have a time early on? Is there anything
Speaker 2: memorable where you had you have to draw a line
Speaker 2: right between your relationships and wanting and also release information
Speaker 2: that will that other people are interested in. How did
Speaker 2: you find early on that line between things that you
Speaker 2: could say and that you should not say, and did
Speaker 2: you ever fail?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's there's And look at the lines got
Speaker 1: even cloudier because after I stopped fighting, I created the
Speaker 1: first mixed martial arts training program for pro athletes, and
Speaker 1: of me and Randy Coutre and Chuck Ladell have trained
Speaker 1: I don't know, a thousand pro athletes, a lot of
Speaker 1: them football players, not just fighters. Yeah, hundreds and the
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of football players, and including full teams
Speaker 1: like we went trained the Falcons twice as a team,
Speaker 1: and the Saints and the Browns and the Rams and
Speaker 1: for you know, a month periods or six week periods,
Speaker 1: things like that. For me, I've always said, if it's
Speaker 1: off the record, it's off the record. I'll never burn anybody. Ever.
Speaker 1: There's been times also, even where guys have said things
Speaker 1: to me very emotionally, and I said, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stop this. I just want to make sure you're telling
Speaker 1: me what you want to make sure is out there,
Speaker 1: because I don't want you tomorrow say I was misquoted.
Speaker 1: So I'll read back what they'll say, and I'll go,
Speaker 1: is this okay, for me to use, like I want
Speaker 1: to make sure I don't want this tomorrow, I'll fucking misquoted.
Speaker 1: Don't give it this, this misquoted. Just make sure we're
Speaker 1: good here, and they'll like, yeah, yeah, I'm good and
Speaker 1: a lot. And what I'll usually say to guys is, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to catch you anything, but if it's
Speaker 1: going to come out anyway, you know, I'd love to
Speaker 1: be the first one to have it, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it objectively, and I'm not going to kill you
Speaker 1: over it like there is. I broke a story years
Speaker 1: ago about Balco, which was a steroid investigation in the
Speaker 1: NFL where a lot of guys got popped and a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends got popped, and I went to
Speaker 1: them I said, listen, I'm coming out with these names tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and your names are on it. You're better off having
Speaker 1: me do it and someone else who's just gonna fuck
Speaker 1: fucking killing you and not give you a voice. At least,
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the opportunity to have a voice and what
Speaker 1: you like to say. Some guys said I can't say anything,
Speaker 1: but okay, and other guys would say, uh, I appreciate
Speaker 1: my comment. Is Hey, I'm responsible for what I put
Speaker 1: in my bout it or I didn't know or whatever
Speaker 1: it was. But because I have the relationship, I can
Speaker 1: go to them, right. But I've never burned anybody. Like
Speaker 1: I said, if I try and tell young reporters, if
Speaker 1: you go for the scoop instead of the relationship and
Speaker 1: you burned someone, that you got one scoop and that's that.
Speaker 1: If you have a relationship, you can have ten. And
Speaker 1: then also you know, look, I wrote a book last
Speaker 1: year called you know, Unbreakable. Unbreakable, Yeah, how I turned
Speaker 1: my depression anxiety and a motivation and you can't too.
Speaker 1: And one of my things that I use in there
Speaker 1: to get the roommates of my head to talk nicely
Speaker 1: and not to live in this grays to have a team.
Speaker 1: And even though I was covering these guys all those years,
Speaker 1: they became my team. They became, you know, a team
Speaker 1: that helped lift me up out of this prey. You know,
Speaker 1: I have this big personality and always talking to them
Speaker 1: as as a reporter, but it wasn't. They were actually
Speaker 1: helping me out, saving me at the same time. So
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more important to me. So
Speaker 1: that's why I never wanted to ever burn anybody because
Speaker 1: I needed this team to to help me through. It's it's,
Speaker 1: you know, severe. I wake up every single day of
Speaker 1: my life where it's hard to get out of bed
Speaker 1: in a skysphone. I've always been like this.
Speaker 3: It's not something that just happened from when you were
Speaker 3: a kid.
Speaker 1: From when I was a kid. Yeah, always, always, So
Speaker 1: I've always kind of needed these teams to get me out,
Speaker 1: and it's helped me quite a bit now that I
Speaker 1: talk about openly, they tell me a lot more. But yes,
Speaker 1: to that fine line that you were talking about it,
Speaker 1: I used to get killed a lot by people say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not he's not objective, he's friends with these guys,
Speaker 1: he's this and that, and then everybody realized, Okay, the
Speaker 1: only the smart way to do this business is to
Speaker 1: have relationships with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned mixed martial arts MMA. You actually did
Speaker 2: a couple of professional fights while you were working for
Speaker 2: CBS one and one. So that's lost was the greatest
Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: It was because people will be like, huh, and people
Speaker 1: there are certain cats who are actually in fun of me
Speaker 1: for losing. But I'm like, would you motherfuckers ever step
Speaker 1: in a cage? Fuck you No, But I say it's
Speaker 1: the best thing ever happened. Back then it was style
Speaker 1: versus style and boxing experience, and I had wrestling experience,
Speaker 1: I know, jiu jitsu experience. Man, I took this guy
Speaker 1: down so I could head butt him and smash him
Speaker 1: because back then you could head button. And it was
Speaker 1: this style that I picked up from a guy that
Speaker 1: I really close friends with through the Rock is now
Speaker 1: going to make this movie named Mark Kerr, And there
Speaker 1: was guys like you know, Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman
Speaker 1: that that style of this ground and pound. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what any jiu jitsu, and because I got choked
Speaker 1: out my first fight with a guillotine, it forced me
Speaker 1: to go learn jiu jitsu and go train with the
Speaker 1: Gray season become really really really close with was Hando
Speaker 1: Gracie and Hoyce Gracy and those cats. But it made
Speaker 1: me a lot more well around, and it allowed me
Speaker 1: then to go coach all these football players that I
Speaker 1: became really really really close with. So the loss was
Speaker 1: the win was great, But the cool that the funny
Speaker 1: part you bring it up. I went to my boss
Speaker 1: to CBS, and I said, hem, I want to compete
Speaker 1: in this mixed martial arts thing. And I didn't say
Speaker 1: anything about a cage or headbutting or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Loss Sean mcdantis was still there was like martial arts,
Speaker 1: that's cute, no problem, okay, And I would cop wait
Speaker 1: all week and then go down to Atlantic City fight
Speaker 1: come back. Nobody did have any idea. And I was
Speaker 1: also on an MSG network and that the one fight
Speaker 1: during the season I went and I broke this middle
Speaker 1: knuckle on guys forehead or eyes, socker, whoever the fuck
Speaker 1: it was. And then I had a big lump here
Speaker 1: in the middle of my head from head button and
Speaker 1: I try to just have make up do some of that.
Speaker 1: They couldn't. And then I would keep my right hand
Speaker 1: in my pocket while I was on TV the next day,
Speaker 1: and then I sat on with Fox and the day
Speaker 1: before I competed in something coral the World Submission Fighting Championships,
Speaker 1: and you have to, you know, go against three guys
Speaker 1: in like forty five minutes. And I got fucked up
Speaker 1: pretty bad the process. And I come into my first
Speaker 1: day at Fox and like my eye is shut and
Speaker 1: I don't know if I broke a foot or I
Speaker 1: know my ribs got fucked up. And David Hill, who
Speaker 1: was the chairman of Fox, is like, the fuck happened
Speaker 1: to you? And I'm like, I just won the World
Speaker 1: Submission Fighting Championship. It was my first dad Fox, and
Speaker 1: he goes, and he's Australian. He goes, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck that is, but you will never fucking
Speaker 1: do it again. And I was on a team mount
Speaker 1: in Arizona and I kept doing it, doing it and
Speaker 1: doing it, and just figure I just you know, apologize.
Speaker 1: And then one day I was hosting a show with
Speaker 1: Eddie George, Tim Brown, Jason Sehorn and I had a
Speaker 1: teammate of mine named Jamie Varner who is going to
Speaker 1: fight Benson Henderson for the lightweight Championship of the World.
Speaker 1: And I was the South baw Benson was the South
Speaker 1: bas So I was trying to help out a lot
Speaker 1: and one day of practice, I got this tooth knocked out.
Speaker 1: I broke this bone next to like under my orbital bone,
Speaker 1: like right next to my nose, and I got a
Speaker 1: gash down my forehead. I come walking in a host
Speaker 1: this show on Fox and I'm missing a tooth and
Speaker 1: the makeup artist is like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're just inficial makeup a box. She's like,
Speaker 1: you're missing a tooth. And I hosted the entire show
Speaker 1: with my lip or like hiding my teeth and hi guys,
Speaker 1: just Jay Glazer, Eddie, George, Tim Brown and Jason Stewer
Speaker 1: and did the whole show like that, and the bosses
Speaker 1: Fox came to me and said, hey, we're we're all
Speaker 1: about your fight career. I'm like really, like yep, but
Speaker 1: you come in with so much as a hangnail. From
Speaker 1: now on, you're off our air forever. And I was like,
Speaker 1: they're like, your if your ears CAULI flying like my
Speaker 1: ears don't cauliflower, Like my never have and said, I'm
Speaker 1: been restless is eighty two?
Speaker 3: You never have?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I normally don't cut. It's just
Speaker 1: like they're like, no, you don't understand. We're telling you.
Speaker 1: You come in with a pimple on your dose, you're
Speaker 1: off the air forever. We're not going through this again.
Speaker 1: So I had to stop immediately there and then, like
Speaker 1: I said, I had to learn how to start coaching guys.
Speaker 1: But that also allowed me to be the first host
Speaker 1: of an MMA show in America because I knew the sport,
Speaker 1: you know, better than everybody back then. So it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty well ride.
Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: But it also allows me to walk into any locker
Speaker 1: room though, and not get bullied by.
Speaker 3: Players, right do they try?
Speaker 1: No? Not now because so many of them that and
Speaker 1: they knew me from mixed martialks for me early but
Speaker 1: early on, guys would treat me like everybody else and
Speaker 1: I kind of look at him like funck you just say,
Speaker 1: and then I kind of go after guys and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, who wha, whoa, whoa. So there was definitely
Speaker 1: a reputation of man, this fucking guy, I'll fight you
Speaker 1: before we'll fight him, So what kind of he's off?
Speaker 1: So that definitely helped because I get your locker room,
Speaker 1: men's there's a lot of te stoster in there.
Speaker 2: I got to bring it up because it's probably the
Speaker 2: thing that made you, well the best in the business,
Speaker 2: or at least to be known as the best in
Speaker 2: the business.
Speaker 3: Shortly after you.
Speaker 2: Join Fox, a little thing called Spygate happens and somehow
Speaker 2: some way. I think to this day nobody knows how,
Speaker 2: but you obtain the video and your life changes, Yeah forever.
Speaker 3: How did you get the video?
Speaker 1: Well, you gave it to me. You got it from
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You gave it to me, not on one
Speaker 1: Aaron talking about me.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, stay away, stay away from that way.
Speaker 1: I'll never ever put it changed my life. And yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody thought that all the copies were destroyed. I end
Speaker 1: up getting a copy. Now, I'll never say how ever,
Speaker 1: I left so many breadcrumbs towards other people that could
Speaker 1: have given it to me, and poor ah Man. I
Speaker 1: kind of framed two guys that were them really closely
Speaker 1: to that work with us Fox Now, Mike Breren, Dean Blandino,
Speaker 1: and I kind of made it like lead to those
Speaker 1: guys like they gave it to me and they got framed.
Speaker 1: To this day, people still accuse them of it and
Speaker 1: all that. And people have no fucking idea where I
Speaker 1: got it from, nor would they ever do. But people
Speaker 1: don't know that was my second week in studio and Fox.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, so the guys didn't know me and nor
Speaker 1: did they want me ont I mean, they had already
Speaker 1: been there for ten years. Last thing, right is Howie
Speaker 1: Long and Terry Brads, Jimmy Johnson. I want to give
Speaker 1: up time to this young fucking punk who they don't know.
Speaker 1: Because I was always on the road doing games and
Speaker 1: report Tanis, they didn't really know me. And that same
Speaker 1: David Hill. Originally I would only do one one segment,
Speaker 1: but David's like, man, people really love this insider business
Speaker 1: and they want more and more and more of this,
Speaker 1: so we're going to start spreading your information over three segments.
Speaker 1: And then they bring everybody into our production meeting in
Speaker 1: the morning. They tell them, hey, guys, from now and
Speaker 1: Jay's not gonna have one segment, He's gonna have three,
Speaker 1: but today he's gonna have four. And I'm like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. This guy's name is Scott Akerson, and
Speaker 1: Howie and Terry Jimmy are looking at me like fuck him,
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they're like, hey, hey, before
Speaker 1: you guys get upset, we're giving him a fourth segment
Speaker 1: because he has a spygand video and they're like, what
Speaker 1: I said, he has the video, and Howie Long gets
Speaker 1: up and he goes, who's now won my fucking brother? Right?
Speaker 1: We are so close dude and doesn't look at me,
Speaker 1: points me. He goes, you're telling me this kid has
Speaker 1: the Spygate video. To the producer, still not looking at me,
Speaker 1: he's like, yes, you're telling me he has the actual video. Yes,
Speaker 1: And Jimmy Johnson looks across the room to me, he goes,
Speaker 1: really got the video. I go, I got the video,
Speaker 1: and Terry Bradshaw goes, he's okay with me, thank you,
Speaker 1: my best friend, God almighty, and went on. And I
Speaker 1: actually called Roger Goodell and I said, hey, man, listen,
Speaker 1: I just want to give you the heads up. I
Speaker 1: got the spy gay video. I'm going with it. And
Speaker 1: he's like, you can't have the video. I destroyed him all.
Speaker 1: I said, right, you guys think you did. But I
Speaker 1: got the video and I'm going with it. But I
Speaker 1: want to give you the heads up. And I'm also
Speaker 1: just saying it because I know you're trying to leave
Speaker 1: launch an investigation. But if you do, I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: so many bread crumbs toward who it's not. It's really
Speaker 1: gonna fuck up your front office there and everything else.
Speaker 1: People are gonna be so paranoid and accusatory of each other,
Speaker 1: so I'm just asking me not to do the investigation
Speaker 1: that I think it's gonna endup hurting more people. And
Speaker 1: Roger's response will surprise you. Was you got the video.
Speaker 1: I said yeah. He said, man, that's that's huge for you.
Speaker 1: And I said yeah. He goes, well, congrats, that's that's big.
Speaker 1: And he said, but you can't ask me not to
Speaker 1: do an investigation. I'm gonna have to try and figure
Speaker 1: out who gave it to you. I said, I hear you,
Speaker 1: But Roger, I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave so many
Speaker 1: bread crumbs everywhere. So he wasn't like, no, don't. He
Speaker 1: was like he appreciated the hard work. But it changed
Speaker 1: my life. And then all of a sudden it went
Speaker 1: from spy gave video to how did this guy get
Speaker 1: the spy Gift video? And I remember I'm on a
Speaker 1: beach with my dad in South Carolina and Senator Arlen
Speaker 1: Spector calls me, yes, I heard this, and he asked
Speaker 1: me for my copy of the spy Gate video and
Speaker 1: offered up a bigger scoop if I gave him my video.
Speaker 1: And this is a guy who did Kennedy assassination, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, Center respective respectfully, I just
Speaker 1: hit a home a grass slim against the Yankees and
Speaker 1: the bottom of knine and of the world. Series said
Speaker 1: nothing bigger you could give me. But also, I don't
Speaker 1: think Congress should be worrying about where I get scoops
Speaker 1: or spy gift videos. I don't think that's where my
Speaker 1: TX dollars should go. He said, I want to have
Speaker 1: to go here, but if you don't give us the video,
Speaker 1: you might, you know, basically threaten me with jail time
Speaker 1: for obstruction and justice, to which I was like, how
Speaker 1: do I carol? I to his fighting lift anyway, and
Speaker 1: to my dad's looking at me, like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And then the Fox guys also they had heard it. It
Speaker 1: would printed him when I said that, And the Fox
Speaker 1: guys are like, what are you doing? Because I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to show Congress then I'm off, Like you're trying
Speaker 1: to show Congress that you're off. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to show all them crazy, so they don't
Speaker 1: they won't deal with me anymore. And they're like you're trying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at to work with you right now.
Speaker 1: It's like you are fucking crazy. I'm like right. So
Speaker 1: they're like, don't say another word about it, don't say
Speaker 1: anything else about it. But it, Yeah, changed my life.
Speaker 1: The backstory about it is so insane, the only copy
Speaker 1: in existence. I used to show it at parties at
Speaker 1: my house all the time and just had some fun
Speaker 1: with But it changed my life, man, really did it?
Speaker 1: It changed my life again. Thank you God. My best
Speaker 1: friendal money.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: And you know, talk about starting a new job and
Speaker 2: showing your employer that they made that they made the
Speaker 2: right call.
Speaker 1: Well, well, the crazy thing is they they had a
Speaker 1: meeting with me with attorneys and everything. They're like, how
Speaker 1: did you get it? I said, I can't tell you,
Speaker 1: and they said, did you steal it? I'm like, steal it?
Speaker 1: I'm I just steal out my I'm looking to you
Speaker 1: think got broken a parking avenue? Like we are talking
Speaker 1: about what and they're like, we have to ask And
Speaker 1: they said, you know, they're gonna start an investigation and
Speaker 1: whoever your friend is who gave it to you, he's
Speaker 1: going to get caught. And I said, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what's he I said, listen, this is my job. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't want to go with it? Then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it somewhere. But this is what you hired me
Speaker 1: to do. You hired me because I'm the best of
Speaker 1: what I do, and things like this. And later that year,
Speaker 1: I got another videotape of a player jumping another player
Speaker 1: at the Palms restaurant of a Palm's casino and like
Speaker 1: pulling his chains off and all this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: walk in and again David Hill is sitting there. He's
Speaker 1: looking at the video and he looks at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, you got the fucking surveillance video for the bombs?
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, he goes, I don't even want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know. He just walks out.
Speaker 1: It was all the same year.
Speaker 3: You mentioned it before.
Speaker 2: You have also been an incredible advocate for mental health
Speaker 2: and depression. Your book you mentioned before, Unbreakable Phenomenal, your
Speaker 2: podcast interviews you've done. You know, I follow you on Instagram.
Speaker 2: You know you're very public about even daily struggles that
Speaker 2: you have. Well, two questions, One does that openness help you?
Speaker 2: And two are you doing it to try to help
Speaker 2: others try to destigmatize an issue?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, And again I talked about the book
Speaker 1: like one of my pillars to help me is is
Speaker 1: having a team. Another one is being of service. And
Speaker 1: one thing God blessed me with is the ability to
Speaker 1: communicate things well. And I'm like, man, we can all
Speaker 1: talk about mental health and people say mental health, but
Speaker 1: I want to give it words and then you can
Speaker 1: have the conversation. You know, I never talked to it
Speaker 1: like he used to be. Hey, Glazier's crazy. And after
Speaker 1: I came out with it. Actually, Mercedes Lewis is a
Speaker 1: long time you know, NFL player now going into like
Speaker 1: year nineteen or twenty reason whatever, and I trained him
Speaker 1: for years of mixed martial arts and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: I knew you were crazy. I just didn't know how
Speaker 1: much pain you were and I'm sorry I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: And you know, for that again helps build more teams.
Speaker 1: But for me to be able to when I describe
Speaker 1: what an anxiety or a panic attack felt like, which
Speaker 1: I have every single week I go on TV. We
Speaker 1: feel like you're having a heart attack and your eyes
Speaker 1: are shaking back and forth, and you're sweating, and your
Speaker 1: hands are going back and you know, shaken, and you
Speaker 1: feel like the walls are coming in. All things I've
Speaker 1: learned how to handle that now that knowing that I'm
Speaker 1: safe and to breathe it out and laughter helps me
Speaker 1: a lot too. Once I came out with that, I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many people in our business reached
Speaker 1: out to me. I was like, Oh my god, thank God,
Speaker 1: because that's what I go through too, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was and for years, like my first
Speaker 1: anxiety attack was an empty Raiders stadium in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, and I thought I was having a heart
Speaker 1: attack and I was getting my heart checked out for
Speaker 1: twelve years. It actually wasn't until I heard Terry Bradshaw
Speaker 1: talk about it. I was like, Oh shit, that's that's
Speaker 1: what it is. That's what I have. So then I
Speaker 1: realized I could do the same thing for other people.
Speaker 1: I could talk about it but also talk about ways,
Speaker 1: like I call it the gray, living in the gray,
Speaker 1: which is depression, anxiety and the ADHD and the bipolar
Speaker 1: and all this shit and the blue. And I used
Speaker 1: to exist in the gray, and now because I've come
Speaker 1: out and talked about it, my life is the blue.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to give people hope there's a way
Speaker 1: for us to get out of it. It's by having
Speaker 1: a team by you know, I learned all these things
Speaker 1: that I've done a lot of work on myself constantly
Speaker 1: with a therapist, which is a therapist for me as coach,
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't I Like physically, we're always doing stuff
Speaker 1: to help ourselves. And I tell football teams this all
Speaker 1: the time. You're always catching passes, not just when you
Speaker 1: get the drops. You know, you're always you're doing tackling drills,
Speaker 1: not just when you're tacklings off. If you do it
Speaker 1: all the time. But we only go to a therapists
Speaker 1: from Scots fall. We're never proactive about it. So let's
Speaker 1: start getting right. So let's start getting asked prety ups
Speaker 1: proactive about that. But they probably not enough therapists out
Speaker 1: there for us. But right now I've viewed them as
Speaker 1: a coach same way. But at the same time, we
Speaker 1: can lean into each other and be each other's coaches.
Speaker 1: And the more you can lean in your teammates like that,
Speaker 1: thinking how close you guys will be as a team.
Speaker 1: So it's got me closer to everybody. Not one friend
Speaker 1: has told me to suck it up for them being
Speaker 1: a woos nobody and like for me also I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a dule. I think a duly dude who
Speaker 1: talks about it is great because no one's questioning my manhood, right,
Speaker 1: so I can try on the drop of a dom,
Speaker 1: I could sit there and come on Instagram and be open.
Speaker 1: I think the last time I did that was about
Speaker 1: a month or two ago. I was just doing great,
Speaker 1: and then just one day I woke up and fucked
Speaker 1: me and the sky was falling, and I just thought
Speaker 1: my world was ending. And instead of me just sitting
Speaker 1: in bed and keeping inside and fucking crying in the
Speaker 1: fetal position in the corner of my room like I
Speaker 1: used to do, I took to Instagram. I told people, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling today. Today is one of those days. And
Speaker 1: I always told you all I would be honest about
Speaker 1: it and to show you you're not alone. We could
Speaker 1: walk this walk together and it immediately people just started
Speaker 1: reaching out to me, and it got me through it,
Speaker 1: where in the past I'd make some bad decisions to
Speaker 1: get me through it is she was you know, Viking
Speaker 1: and an alcohol to get me through it and go
Speaker 1: out and get myself. And you probably see me in
Speaker 1: some of those situations when you and I sang out
Speaker 1: of rock and rileys together. I was probably on one
Speaker 1: and it wasn't good for me. So now I'm learning
Speaker 1: things that I never learned before. I'm learning how to
Speaker 1: you know, love that kind of like the lit the
Speaker 1: little kid in me who's so fucked up, and learned
Speaker 1: how to love him off, little Jason, and you know,
Speaker 1: breath work and meditation. And now I have these new
Speaker 1: unbreakable habits that I do every day and that allows
Speaker 1: me to in the blue instead of the gray. The
Speaker 1: gray still visits, it's just a fucking visitor where it
Speaker 1: used to be. Pull up a chair at the dinner
Speaker 1: table and sit there all fucking day long. So that's
Speaker 1: why I want to talk about it. So, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have service to everybody else to let them know. And
Speaker 1: I do think that those of us with mental health
Speaker 1: issues or in the majority, we're not the minority. We
Speaker 1: feel like we're in the minority because we don't talk
Speaker 1: about and even if my level's clinical, but we're all
Speaker 1: going through something these days, because man, we all think
Speaker 1: our lives suck because we compare ourselves to everybody else's filtered,
Speaker 1: fractured of one second of one day on Instagram or Facebook,
Speaker 1: and it's highlights like how are you supposed to survive?
Speaker 1: Like we all think our lives but my life sucks.
Speaker 1: Everybody else's is great highlights all the timer, people giving
Speaker 1: you these motivational croats all the time, and Fox, it's
Speaker 1: not what life is. Or you're on Twitter where you're
Speaker 1: just getting bullied a thousand times a second. So we're
Speaker 1: all going through something. So I wanted to give a
Speaker 1: voice to people and give people give it word so
Speaker 1: we could start having conversations with our friends and our wives,
Speaker 1: and our kids especially and our moms, and I've got
Speaker 1: grandparents reached out saying thank you for the first time
Speaker 1: in eighty years. I now have the words to tell
Speaker 1: my husband and kids and grandkids what I've been struggling
Speaker 1: with for eighty years. And a lot of girl dads saying, man,
Speaker 1: I know I can understand my girl, my little girl
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And that for me has been
Speaker 1: the most special thing in the world. So that's why
Speaker 1: I continued this podcast, you know, Unbreakable, and now I'm
Speaker 1: calling it a mental wealth podcast instead of mental health
Speaker 1: and I still think it has that stigma, but meant
Speaker 1: to get through these mental health issues that leads to
Speaker 1: mental wealth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're an amazing, amazing guy, and you are helping
Speaker 2: people so much, and I just want to let you
Speaker 2: know though it's not something that I you know, it's
Speaker 2: certainly nothing clinical for me, but the courage that you
Speaker 2: have shown and the real help that you are giving
Speaker 2: to people is really admirable.
Speaker 3: So I want to thank you for that.
Speaker 2: And I have to mention MVP merging Veterans and players.
Speaker 3: You started that with Nate Boyer.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll do a terrible job of explaining what
Speaker 2: it is, but basically, you are joining together former combat
Speaker 2: veterans and former athletes to help each other with the
Speaker 2: veterans transition back into regular life. For lack of a
Speaker 2: better term, talk to me a little bit about why
Speaker 2: doing that work for the veterans and for the players.
Speaker 2: By the way, you've talked to me in the past
Speaker 2: about the help that you feel like it gives to
Speaker 2: past players as well.
Speaker 3: Talk to me about why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started as out in my living room eight
Speaker 1: years ago. I've kind of actually now I've stepped away
Speaker 1: running and I've handed it over to those guys because
Speaker 1: you know, Kid's really big and you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a paid employee and I'm taking up, you know,
Speaker 1: ninety percent of your time. So I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta hand off these cats, let them kind of
Speaker 1: run and do it. And I'm just proud of it.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I started in my living room with like
Speaker 1: two combat vets and a fighter and a football player,
Speaker 1: and I know the job isn't the same, but losing
Speaker 1: the locker room is the same. The suck of that,
Speaker 1: losing your team is the same. So I just thought
Speaker 1: back then, man, what if we put them together. We
Speaker 1: train them for about a half hour just to give
Speaker 1: your locker room back, and then we just talk. We
Speaker 1: have mental health talks. And it started from my living
Speaker 1: room and then went to my gym, Unbreakable in West Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and we'd have you know, seventy eighty ninety people there
Speaker 1: on a night, and I would a lot of times
Speaker 1: kind of life coaches and talk about this. And that's
Speaker 1: where I got the words from to write a book
Speaker 1: and to use it for everybody else. I knew if
Speaker 1: I could help this high risk group kind of get
Speaker 1: through it, And my thought to them was, look, you
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, is now who you are? Right,
Speaker 1: they think the uniform comes off and it's over. No,
Speaker 1: what's behind your ribcage that got you to beat out
Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of people? That's who the
Speaker 1: fuck you are that doesn't suddenly just leave when the
Speaker 1: uniform comes up? But who tells them that? So now,
Speaker 1: if I can give them a group that can remind
Speaker 1: them of that, then man to walk this walk with
Speaker 1: It's great partimular combat vets. You go overseas and you
Speaker 1: do all these great things. You have grace under fire
Speaker 1: or courage under pressure, and then come back over here
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm different. I'm like, no, motherfucker, you're different.
Speaker 1: Different is good. Different leads to success. But who tells
Speaker 1: them that? So I try to get this group so
Speaker 1: we can remind each other of that and really build
Speaker 1: each other up. And I guess it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's in eight different cities, and yeah, I hope,
Speaker 1: really hope that they can they can build it and
Speaker 1: grow it and do bigger and better things. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's my second charity. I used to do one also
Speaker 1: with kids called Touchdown Dreams, where I would have children
Speaker 1: who are fighting for their lives and I'd link them
Speaker 1: up with like their favorite athlete or sports teams to
Speaker 1: walk this walk together, not just like a one shot deal,
Speaker 1: to like bring them in and have them captain of
Speaker 1: the day and you know, really be part of a team,
Speaker 1: not just for that one day, but moving forward with guys,
Speaker 1: go visit the hospital and you know they would you know,
Speaker 1: talk on the phone. It would be a constant thing.
Speaker 1: So those are my two charities I've started, and now
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a third one with Unbreakable and
Speaker 1: you know, a bigger mental health We'll see. You know,
Speaker 1: the m v P part was beautiful, and you know
Speaker 1: they're continued to to, I think, roll out in more
Speaker 1: cities as we speak. I know they're trying to.
Speaker 3: You're an actor as well. I mean, you are the hardest.
Speaker 1: Ballers, but I'm not an actor. Dickhead self.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bones the longest yard.
Speaker 2: When you're about to be at a movie, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about underdogs with Snoop dog.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Snoop yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm playing my normal dickhead self And in just
Speaker 1: about all these I did.
Speaker 3: The league I was doing that I loved that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's how you know, I did thet game
Speaker 1: plan with the Rock, and that's how he and I
Speaker 1: became so close, and that's what got me, you know,
Speaker 1: with Ballers. And but like I couldn't remember, like you
Speaker 1: remembering all those scripts in all those lines. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to fuck you do it. I would come
Speaker 1: on and be like, hence the ADAHD part, like I
Speaker 1: can't do this shit and do him and just be
Speaker 1: like just just let him do whatever. I would change
Speaker 1: all my lines and I remember that shit, and they're like,
Speaker 1: just just let him do him and thank god, Like,
Speaker 1: but I was playing myself. If I had to play
Speaker 1: somebody else, I'm trying to figure out a way. But
Speaker 1: that you guys been able to remember all that as always,
Speaker 1: like I've marveled at it, Like I don't have that
Speaker 1: mental capacity. I don't think we'll see.
Speaker 3: Well, well yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody yesterday, what was the greatest
Speaker 2: football game that happened in twenty twenty three this season?
Speaker 2: The greatest, most important, significant, best?
Speaker 1: Where you leave me on something?
Speaker 3: Drama? I don't know all they all are.
Speaker 1: Like I I it's a constant no, they all like
Speaker 1: every week it's the greatest reality show in the world.
Speaker 1: Every week there's some sort of sullen that shock to you.
Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, holy.
Speaker 3: Shit, all right.
Speaker 2: I was talking to the person that I went to
Speaker 2: the game with, and you know, I've been lucky. I've
Speaker 2: talked about this, lucky enough to go to playoff games
Speaker 2: and Super Bowls, and I don't remember ever having the
Speaker 2: full wide spectrum of emotion of visual Then the first
Speaker 2: Monday night football game for the Jets and the Bills Week.
Speaker 1: One, But that's not the best game.
Speaker 2: That's like September eleventh, Yes, like mean like like memorable,
Speaker 2: wide range of emotions, drama, horror that was like yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: That was right there, like Curse of the Jets, like
Speaker 1: ship Yeah, like it happened, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yeah it's gonna happen. It's gonna hapen to the Jets,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, wild, wild, wild it was.
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: That was wild. But but nothing surprised me. Nothing surprised
Speaker 1: me in the League of this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah story this year, Eric, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is up. The biggest story I broke this
Speaker 1: year was nobody knowing that the Philadelphia Eagles got rid
Speaker 1: of their changed their defensive coordinator and it just sacked.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew and I kind of can't And I didn't
Speaker 1: even tell my guys on on Fox, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, this week, the Eagles made it very very quietly,
Speaker 1: made a huge move. I fire and sell the size
Speaker 1: their defense coordinator and putting them Matt Patrician. All the
Speaker 1: guys in the show were like, what they changed their
Speaker 1: defense cordator? Nobody knows? How does nobody know? Them? Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I do. And they're like, what you gotta
Speaker 1: be kidding me?
Speaker 3: Wait, do you broke it on the air to them?
Speaker 3: You hadn't even told them.
Speaker 1: No, no, we don't rehearse, Like we don't rehearse our show,
Speaker 1: right and we come on the first time like we're.
Speaker 3: In the makeup trailer. You don't mention it at all.
Speaker 1: They knew I had something big on the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: didn't see what it was. They just knew it was big.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, it's fucking better be big.
Speaker 1: It's you know, you build it up so much. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I trust me, guys, It'll be big, and stray it
Speaker 1: looks at me like, how does no one know? This,
Speaker 1: it doesn't knock it out, and he's like, that's what
Speaker 1: Jay does and it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who's going on the super Bowl this year? It's
Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. By the way. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you heard.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we listen right now.
Speaker 1: The Ravens are King Kong. You know, they're they beat
Speaker 1: up on the best teams in the league. Hey, look
Speaker 1: it's the two ones. But you know, I think the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are just physical. Now you know what
Speaker 1: happens the next time they based. Here's the one thing though,
Speaker 1: the Rams playing the Ravens down there and taking King
Speaker 1: Kong to the brink in their weather changed who the
Speaker 1: Rams were, so it makes them real dangerous.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I just the two one teams are the most complete teams.
Speaker 2: Right and if the two one teams when this episode
Speaker 2: airs are not still in well then right there you go.
Speaker 3: We were we were, we were they.
Speaker 2: Were, Which is why on Campbell I feel like there
Speaker 2: are going to be more big surprises.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to face the bills going to this playoffs.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't want to pay the bills. I mean the
Speaker 3: Rams you mentioned.
Speaker 2: Whoever gets hot less and I by the way both
Speaker 2: teams might lose.
Speaker 3: And this is not Homerdom. In the NFC, the two
Speaker 3: teams not the two best teams, but the two teams
Speaker 3: playing the best are the six and seven seed. I
Speaker 3: would argue the Packers and the Rams are playing the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually who gets hot last. Yeah, And we said
Speaker 1: we all said this on our show about a month ago.
Speaker 1: Watch out for those Rams and the Bills if they
Speaker 1: make it in. You don't want to face them.
Speaker 3: They're just right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are amazing. I love watching you every Sunday
Speaker 2: morning and getting the scoop, getting the real, the real
Speaker 2: scoop from the real source, the og, the man that
Speaker 2: started it all.
Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on and talking to you, and
Speaker 2: I think we're going to be chatting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to have you on my podcast.
Speaker 2: Dude, I know, so go check. That is unbreakable with
Speaker 2: Jay Glazer. Everything he does turns to gold or he's
Speaker 2: gonna kick your ass.
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, I love you, man. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 2: You're the best, my friend. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: coming on. Maybe I will see you next week in
Speaker 2: Viva Las Vegas for the Super Bowl. You know the
Speaker 2: Rams and the Bills. Maybe they didn't go as far
Speaker 2: as we thought when we recorded this, but we've still
Speaker 2: got the Chiefs and the Niners. What an unbelievable matchup.
Speaker 2: Can Patrick Mahomes do it again?
Speaker 3: Listeners?
Speaker 2: If you don't know, I got to do Jay's podcast
Speaker 2: as well, go check it out Unbreakable. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: on there very soon, and even without me, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of great games and important things.
Speaker 3: To learn from that podcast.
Speaker 2: I will be here next time, just like I always am.
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