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Speaker 1: Jay? Oh my dude, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm great now that I'm seeing you. How

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Speaker 2: He has transformed himself. He loves it. He's now not

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Speaker 1: You're grinding, you're drilling, you're drilling. You're drilling, you're drilling.

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Speaker 1: No, when people don't know it's my first college. We

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Speaker 1: And I knew I needed to leave. There was bad

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Well, I read you studied speech communications and media studies.

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Speaker 1: twenty six grand and Lincoln Tunnel Fair. But they those

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Speaker 1: First and then Gary Myers is doing an HBO show

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Speaker 2: And by being good to people's right, I mean being

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Speaker 1: And then but giving out this information. I started realizing

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Speaker 1: then after that I try to always pick a fight

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Speaker 1: with ESPN because I had this fight background. I went

436
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: from wrestling to boxing to Mitch Martial Arts early and

437
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: the only kind of mainstream guys who were in it

438
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: back then, mainstream if you will, were Me and Brogan

439
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: and Kevin James and David's Fade. They were really into it.

440
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I kind of made it try to

441
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: pick a fight with ESPN because I knew I wasn't

442
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: going to work with them. So every time I broke

443
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: a story and they try to steal it, I'd, you know,

444
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: make a big deal about it and everywhere I could.

445
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: And it was a good brand, and eventually Fox saw

446
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: it and thank god hired me an O four from

447
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: CBS and the Man of Rest. Then is my twentieth

448
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: year with Fox and Noble Sunday, and we've been around

449
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: for thirty years, and yeah, they saved my life.

450
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: It's you know they It's incredible.

451
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 1: I could pay my not making nine grand a year anymore,

452
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: But I've got the family. Like, the reason why we're

453
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: so great at what we do is me, Howie, Tarry,

454
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Stray. We freaking love each other, like we

455
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: are best manned each other's weddings. It's been a lot

456
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: of freaking weddings. Yeah, well a lot of us suck

457
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: at that fathers of each other's kids. Like we we

458
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: vacation together, we do Thanksgivings together, we do Poldays together,

459
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: we donears together. We do in the off season, we

460
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: all go to Vegas together, we go somewhere else together.

461
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Like we're constantly hanging out. And I think that shows

462
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: absolutely right. When you guys invited, it's your choice who

463
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: you watch in the pregame show and who do you

464
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: want to fight in your in your home every week

465
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: and for thirty years, thank god you all invited us in.

466
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: Did you have a time early on? Is there anything

467
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: memorable where you had you have to draw a line

468
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: right between your relationships and wanting and also release information

469
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: that will that other people are interested in. How did

470
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: you find early on that line between things that you

471
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: could say and that you should not say, and did

472
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: you ever fail?

473
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's there's And look at the lines got

474
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: even cloudier because after I stopped fighting, I created the

475
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: first mixed martial arts training program for pro athletes, and

476
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: of me and Randy Coutre and Chuck Ladell have trained

477
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, a thousand pro athletes, a lot of

478
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: them football players, not just fighters. Yeah, hundreds and the

479
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of football players, and including full teams

480
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: like we went trained the Falcons twice as a team,

481
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: and the Saints and the Browns and the Rams and

482
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: for you know, a month periods or six week periods,

483
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: things like that. For me, I've always said, if it's

484
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: off the record, it's off the record. I'll never burn anybody. Ever.

485
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: There's been times also, even where guys have said things

486
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: to me very emotionally, and I said, okay, we're gonna

487
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: stop this. I just want to make sure you're telling

488
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: me what you want to make sure is out there,

489
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: because I don't want you tomorrow say I was misquoted.

490
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: So I'll read back what they'll say, and I'll go,

491
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: is this okay, for me to use, like I want

492
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: to make sure I don't want this tomorrow, I'll fucking misquoted.

493
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: Don't give it this, this misquoted. Just make sure we're

494
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: good here, and they'll like, yeah, yeah, I'm good and

495
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: a lot. And what I'll usually say to guys is, listen,

496
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to catch you anything, but if it's

497
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: going to come out anyway, you know, I'd love to

498
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: be the first one to have it, and I'm gonna

499
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: do it objectively, and I'm not going to kill you

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: over it like there is. I broke a story years

501
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: ago about Balco, which was a steroid investigation in the

502
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: NFL where a lot of guys got popped and a

503
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: lot of my friends got popped, and I went to

504
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: them I said, listen, I'm coming out with these names tomorrow,

505
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: and your names are on it. You're better off having

506
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: me do it and someone else who's just gonna fuck

507
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: fucking killing you and not give you a voice. At least,

508
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the opportunity to have a voice and what

509
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: you like to say. Some guys said I can't say anything,

510
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: but okay, and other guys would say, uh, I appreciate

511
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: my comment. Is Hey, I'm responsible for what I put

512
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: in my bout it or I didn't know or whatever

513
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: it was. But because I have the relationship, I can

514
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: go to them, right. But I've never burned anybody. Like

515
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: I said, if I try and tell young reporters, if

516
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: you go for the scoop instead of the relationship and

517
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: you burned someone, that you got one scoop and that's that.

518
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: If you have a relationship, you can have ten. And

519
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: then also you know, look, I wrote a book last

520
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: year called you know, Unbreakable. Unbreakable, Yeah, how I turned

521
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: my depression anxiety and a motivation and you can't too.

522
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: And one of my things that I use in there

523
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: to get the roommates of my head to talk nicely

524
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: and not to live in this grays to have a team.

525
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: And even though I was covering these guys all those years,

526
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: they became my team. They became, you know, a team

527
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: that helped lift me up out of this prey. You know,

528
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: I have this big personality and always talking to them

529
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: as as a reporter, but it wasn't. They were actually

530
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: helping me out, saving me at the same time. So

531
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more important to me. So

532
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: that's why I never wanted to ever burn anybody because

533
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: I needed this team to to help me through. It's it's,

534
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, severe. I wake up every single day of

535
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: my life where it's hard to get out of bed

536
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: in a skysphone. I've always been like this.

537
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 3: It's not something that just happened from when you were

538
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: a kid.

539
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: From when I was a kid. Yeah, always, always, So

540
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: I've always kind of needed these teams to get me out,

541
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and it's helped me quite a bit now that I

542
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: talk about openly, they tell me a lot more. But yes,

543
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: to that fine line that you were talking about it,

544
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: I used to get killed a lot by people say, oh,

545
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: he's not he's not objective, he's friends with these guys,

546
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: he's this and that, and then everybody realized, Okay, the

547
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: only the smart way to do this business is to

548
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: have relationships with people.

549
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned mixed martial arts MMA. You actually did

550
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: a couple of professional fights while you were working for

551
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: CBS one and one. So that's lost was the greatest

552
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to me.

553
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: It was because people will be like, huh, and people

554
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: there are certain cats who are actually in fun of me

555
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: for losing. But I'm like, would you motherfuckers ever step

556
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: in a cage? Fuck you No, But I say it's

557
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: the best thing ever happened. Back then it was style

558
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: versus style and boxing experience, and I had wrestling experience,

559
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: I know, jiu jitsu experience. Man, I took this guy

560
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: down so I could head butt him and smash him

561
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: because back then you could head button. And it was

562
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: this style that I picked up from a guy that

563
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: I really close friends with through the Rock is now

564
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: going to make this movie named Mark Kerr, And there

565
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: was guys like you know, Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman

566
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: that that style of this ground and pound. I didn't

567
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: know what any jiu jitsu, and because I got choked

568
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: out my first fight with a guillotine, it forced me

569
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: to go learn jiu jitsu and go train with the

570
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: Gray season become really really really close with was Hando

571
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: Gracie and Hoyce Gracy and those cats. But it made

572
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: me a lot more well around, and it allowed me

573
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: then to go coach all these football players that I

574
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: became really really really close with. So the loss was

575
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: the win was great, But the cool that the funny

576
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: part you bring it up. I went to my boss

577
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: to CBS, and I said, hem, I want to compete

578
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: in this mixed martial arts thing. And I didn't say

579
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: anything about a cage or headbutting or anything like that.

580
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: Loss Sean mcdantis was still there was like martial arts,

581
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: that's cute, no problem, okay, And I would cop wait

582
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: all week and then go down to Atlantic City fight

583
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: come back. Nobody did have any idea. And I was

584
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: also on an MSG network and that the one fight

585
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: during the season I went and I broke this middle

586
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: knuckle on guys forehead or eyes, socker, whoever the fuck

587
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: it was. And then I had a big lump here

588
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of my head from head button and

589
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: I try to just have make up do some of that.

590
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: They couldn't. And then I would keep my right hand

591
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: in my pocket while I was on TV the next day,

592
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: and then I sat on with Fox and the day

593
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: before I competed in something coral the World Submission Fighting Championships,

594
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: and you have to, you know, go against three guys

595
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: in like forty five minutes. And I got fucked up

596
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: pretty bad the process. And I come into my first

597
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: day at Fox and like my eye is shut and

598
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I broke a foot or I

599
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: know my ribs got fucked up. And David Hill, who

600
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: was the chairman of Fox, is like, the fuck happened

601
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: to you? And I'm like, I just won the World

602
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Submission Fighting Championship. It was my first dad Fox, and

603
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: he goes, and he's Australian. He goes, I don't know

604
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: what the fuck that is, but you will never fucking

605
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: do it again. And I was on a team mount

606
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: in Arizona and I kept doing it, doing it and

607
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: doing it, and just figure I just you know, apologize.

608
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: And then one day I was hosting a show with

609
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: Eddie George, Tim Brown, Jason Sehorn and I had a

610
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: teammate of mine named Jamie Varner who is going to

611
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: fight Benson Henderson for the lightweight Championship of the World.

612
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: And I was the South baw Benson was the South

613
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: bas So I was trying to help out a lot

614
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: and one day of practice, I got this tooth knocked out.

615
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: I broke this bone next to like under my orbital bone,

616
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: like right next to my nose, and I got a

617
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: gash down my forehead. I come walking in a host

618
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: this show on Fox and I'm missing a tooth and

619
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: the makeup artist is like, are you fucking kidding me?

620
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're just inficial makeup a box. She's like,

621
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: you're missing a tooth. And I hosted the entire show

622
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: with my lip or like hiding my teeth and hi guys,

623
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: just Jay Glazer, Eddie, George, Tim Brown and Jason Stewer

624
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: and did the whole show like that, and the bosses

625
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: Fox came to me and said, hey, we're we're all

626
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: about your fight career. I'm like really, like yep, but

627
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: you come in with so much as a hangnail. From

628
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: now on, you're off our air forever. And I was like,

629
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: they're like, your if your ears CAULI flying like my

630
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: ears don't cauliflower, Like my never have and said, I'm

631
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: been restless is eighty two?

632
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: You never have?

633
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and I normally don't cut. It's just

634
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: like they're like, no, you don't understand. We're telling you.

635
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: You come in with a pimple on your dose, you're

636
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: off the air forever. We're not going through this again.

637
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: So I had to stop immediately there and then, like

638
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I said, I had to learn how to start coaching guys.

639
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: But that also allowed me to be the first host

640
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: of an MMA show in America because I knew the sport,

641
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, better than everybody back then. So it's yeah,

642
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: it's a pretty well ride.

643
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: Man, that's awesome.

644
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: But it also allows me to walk into any locker

645
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: room though, and not get bullied by.

646
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: Players, right do they try?

647
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: No? Not now because so many of them that and

648
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: they knew me from mixed martialks for me early but

649
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: early on, guys would treat me like everybody else and

650
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: I kind of look at him like funck you just say,

651
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: and then I kind of go after guys and they'd

652
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: be like, who wha, whoa, whoa. So there was definitely

653
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: a reputation of man, this fucking guy, I'll fight you

654
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: before we'll fight him, So what kind of he's off?

655
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: So that definitely helped because I get your locker room,

656
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: men's there's a lot of te stoster in there.

657
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: I got to bring it up because it's probably the

658
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: thing that made you, well the best in the business,

659
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: or at least to be known as the best in

660
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: the business.

661
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: Shortly after you.

662
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: Join Fox, a little thing called Spygate happens and somehow

663
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: some way. I think to this day nobody knows how,

664
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: but you obtain the video and your life changes, Yeah forever.

665
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: How did you get the video?

666
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Well, you gave it to me. You got it from

667
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You gave it to me, not on one

668
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Aaron talking about me.

669
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: Now, yes, stay away, stay away from that way.

670
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: I'll never ever put it changed my life. And yeah,

671
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: everybody thought that all the copies were destroyed. I end

672
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: up getting a copy. Now, I'll never say how ever,

673
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I left so many breadcrumbs towards other people that could

674
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: have given it to me, and poor ah Man. I

675
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of framed two guys that were them really closely

676
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: to that work with us Fox Now, Mike Breren, Dean Blandino,

677
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: and I kind of made it like lead to those

678
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: guys like they gave it to me and they got framed.

679
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: To this day, people still accuse them of it and

680
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: all that. And people have no fucking idea where I

681
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: got it from, nor would they ever do. But people

682
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: don't know that was my second week in studio and Fox.

683
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: Really yeah, so the guys didn't know me and nor

684
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: did they want me ont I mean, they had already

685
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: been there for ten years. Last thing, right is Howie

686
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: Long and Terry Brads, Jimmy Johnson. I want to give

687
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: up time to this young fucking punk who they don't know.

688
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: Because I was always on the road doing games and

689
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: report Tanis, they didn't really know me. And that same

690
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: David Hill. Originally I would only do one one segment,

691
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: but David's like, man, people really love this insider business

692
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: and they want more and more and more of this,

693
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: so we're going to start spreading your information over three segments.

694
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: And then they bring everybody into our production meeting in

695
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: the morning. They tell them, hey, guys, from now and

696
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: Jay's not gonna have one segment, He's gonna have three,

697
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: but today he's gonna have four. And I'm like, oh, fuck,

698
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: thanks a lot. This guy's name is Scott Akerson, and

699
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: Howie and Terry Jimmy are looking at me like fuck him,

700
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they're like, hey, hey, before

701
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: you guys get upset, we're giving him a fourth segment

702
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: because he has a spygand video and they're like, what

703
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I said, he has the video, and Howie Long gets

704
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: up and he goes, who's now won my fucking brother? Right?

705
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: We are so close dude and doesn't look at me,

706
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: points me. He goes, you're telling me this kid has

707
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: the Spygate video. To the producer, still not looking at me,

708
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yes, you're telling me he has the actual video. Yes,

709
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: And Jimmy Johnson looks across the room to me, he goes,

710
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: really got the video. I go, I got the video,

711
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: and Terry Bradshaw goes, he's okay with me, thank you,

712
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: my best friend, God almighty, and went on. And I

713
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: actually called Roger Goodell and I said, hey, man, listen,

714
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: I just want to give you the heads up. I

715
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: got the spy gay video. I'm going with it. And

716
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: he's like, you can't have the video. I destroyed him all.

717
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I said, right, you guys think you did. But I

718
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: got the video and I'm going with it. But I

719
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: want to give you the heads up. And I'm also

720
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: just saying it because I know you're trying to leave

721
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: launch an investigation. But if you do, I'm gonna leave

722
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: so many bread crumbs toward who it's not. It's really

723
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: gonna fuck up your front office there and everything else.

724
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: People are gonna be so paranoid and accusatory of each other,

725
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: so I'm just asking me not to do the investigation

726
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: that I think it's gonna endup hurting more people. And

727
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: Roger's response will surprise you. Was you got the video.

728
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I said yeah. He said, man, that's that's huge for you.

729
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: And I said yeah. He goes, well, congrats, that's that's big.

730
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: And he said, but you can't ask me not to

731
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: do an investigation. I'm gonna have to try and figure

732
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: out who gave it to you. I said, I hear you,

733
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: But Roger, I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave so many

734
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: bread crumbs everywhere. So he wasn't like, no, don't. He

735
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: was like he appreciated the hard work. But it changed

736
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: my life. And then all of a sudden it went

737
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: from spy gave video to how did this guy get

738
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: the spy Gift video? And I remember I'm on a

739
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: beach with my dad in South Carolina and Senator Arlen

740
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: Spector calls me, yes, I heard this, and he asked

741
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: me for my copy of the spy Gate video and

742
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: offered up a bigger scoop if I gave him my video.

743
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: And this is a guy who did Kennedy assassination, right,

744
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, Center respective respectfully, I just

745
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: hit a home a grass slim against the Yankees and

746
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: the bottom of knine and of the world. Series said

747
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: nothing bigger you could give me. But also, I don't

748
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: think Congress should be worrying about where I get scoops

749
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: or spy gift videos. I don't think that's where my

750
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: TX dollars should go. He said, I want to have

751
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: to go here, but if you don't give us the video,

752
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: you might, you know, basically threaten me with jail time

753
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: for obstruction and justice, to which I was like, how

754
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: do I carol? I to his fighting lift anyway, and

755
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: to my dad's looking at me, like what are you doing?

756
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: And then the Fox guys also they had heard it. It

757
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: would printed him when I said that, And the Fox

758
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: guys are like, what are you doing? Because I'm just

759
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: trying to show Congress then I'm off, Like you're trying

760
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: to show Congress that you're off. I'm like, yeah, I'm

761
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: just trying to show all them crazy, so they don't

762
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: they won't deal with me anymore. And they're like you're trying.

763
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at to work with you right now.

764
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: It's like you are fucking crazy. I'm like right. So

765
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: they're like, don't say another word about it, don't say

766
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: anything else about it. But it, Yeah, changed my life.

767
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: The backstory about it is so insane, the only copy

768
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: in existence. I used to show it at parties at

769
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: my house all the time and just had some fun

770
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: with But it changed my life, man, really did it?

771
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: It changed my life again. Thank you God. My best

772
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: friendal money.

773
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible.

774
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: And you know, talk about starting a new job and

775
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: showing your employer that they made that they made the

776
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 2: right call.

777
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Well, well, the crazy thing is they they had a

778
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: meeting with me with attorneys and everything. They're like, how

779
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: did you get it? I said, I can't tell you,

780
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: and they said, did you steal it? I'm like, steal it?

781
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm I just steal out my I'm looking to you

782
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: think got broken a parking avenue? Like we are talking

783
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: about what and they're like, we have to ask And

784
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: they said, you know, they're gonna start an investigation and

785
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: whoever your friend is who gave it to you, he's

786
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: going to get caught. And I said, I didn't know

787
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: what's he I said, listen, this is my job. I said,

788
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: you don't want to go with it? Then I'm gonna

789
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: put it somewhere. But this is what you hired me

790
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: to do. You hired me because I'm the best of

791
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: what I do, and things like this. And later that year,

792
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: I got another videotape of a player jumping another player

793
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: at the Palms restaurant of a Palm's casino and like

794
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: pulling his chains off and all this stuff. And I

795
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: walk in and again David Hill is sitting there. He's

796
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: looking at the video and he looks at me and

797
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: he goes, you got the fucking surveillance video for the bombs?

798
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: He said, Yeah, he goes, I don't even want to know.

799
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know. He just walks out.

800
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: It was all the same year.

801
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: You mentioned it before.

802
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: You have also been an incredible advocate for mental health

803
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: and depression. Your book you mentioned before, Unbreakable Phenomenal, your

804
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: podcast interviews you've done. You know, I follow you on Instagram.

805
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: You know you're very public about even daily struggles that

806
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 2: you have. Well, two questions, One does that openness help you?

807
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: And two are you doing it to try to help

808
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: others try to destigmatize an issue?

809
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, And again I talked about the book

810
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: like one of my pillars to help me is is

811
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: having a team. Another one is being of service. And

812
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: one thing God blessed me with is the ability to

813
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: communicate things well. And I'm like, man, we can all

814
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: talk about mental health and people say mental health, but

815
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I want to give it words and then you can

816
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: have the conversation. You know, I never talked to it

817
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: like he used to be. Hey, Glazier's crazy. And after

818
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: I came out with it. Actually, Mercedes Lewis is a

819
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: long time you know, NFL player now going into like

820
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: year nineteen or twenty reason whatever, and I trained him

821
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: for years of mixed martial arts and he's like, man,

822
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: I knew you were crazy. I just didn't know how

823
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: much pain you were and I'm sorry I didn't see it.

824
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: And you know, for that again helps build more teams.

825
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: But for me to be able to when I describe

826
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: what an anxiety or a panic attack felt like, which

827
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: I have every single week I go on TV. We

828
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: feel like you're having a heart attack and your eyes

829
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: are shaking back and forth, and you're sweating, and your

830
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: hands are going back and you know, shaken, and you

831
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: feel like the walls are coming in. All things I've

832
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: learned how to handle that now that knowing that I'm

833
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: safe and to breathe it out and laughter helps me

834
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: a lot too. Once I came out with that, I

835
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many people in our business reached

836
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: out to me. I was like, Oh my god, thank God,

837
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: because that's what I go through too, and I didn't

838
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: know what it was and for years, like my first

839
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: anxiety attack was an empty Raiders stadium in two thousand

840
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: and five, and I thought I was having a heart

841
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: attack and I was getting my heart checked out for

842
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: twelve years. It actually wasn't until I heard Terry Bradshaw

843
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: talk about it. I was like, Oh shit, that's that's

844
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: what it is. That's what I have. So then I

845
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: realized I could do the same thing for other people.

846
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I could talk about it but also talk about ways,

847
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: like I call it the gray, living in the gray,

848
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: which is depression, anxiety and the ADHD and the bipolar

849
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: and all this shit and the blue. And I used

850
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: to exist in the gray, and now because I've come

851
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: out and talked about it, my life is the blue.

852
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: And I wanted to give people hope there's a way

853
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: for us to get out of it. It's by having

854
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: a team by you know, I learned all these things

855
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: that I've done a lot of work on myself constantly

856
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: with a therapist, which is a therapist for me as coach,

857
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't I Like physically, we're always doing stuff

858
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: to help ourselves. And I tell football teams this all

859
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: the time. You're always catching passes, not just when you

860
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: get the drops. You know, you're always you're doing tackling drills,

861
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: not just when you're tacklings off. If you do it

862
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: all the time. But we only go to a therapists

863
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: from Scots fall. We're never proactive about it. So let's

864
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: start getting right. So let's start getting asked prety ups

865
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: proactive about that. But they probably not enough therapists out

866
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: there for us. But right now I've viewed them as

867
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: a coach same way. But at the same time, we

868
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: can lean into each other and be each other's coaches.

869
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: And the more you can lean in your teammates like that,

870
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: thinking how close you guys will be as a team.

871
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: So it's got me closer to everybody. Not one friend

872
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: has told me to suck it up for them being

873
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: a woos nobody and like for me also I wanted

874
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: to be a dule. I think a duly dude who

875
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: talks about it is great because no one's questioning my manhood, right,

876
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: so I can try on the drop of a dom,

877
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I could sit there and come on Instagram and be open.

878
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I think the last time I did that was about

879
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: a month or two ago. I was just doing great,

880
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: and then just one day I woke up and fucked

881
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: me and the sky was falling, and I just thought

882
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: my world was ending. And instead of me just sitting

883
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: in bed and keeping inside and fucking crying in the

884
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: fetal position in the corner of my room like I

885
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: used to do, I took to Instagram. I told people, hey, man,

886
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm struggling today. Today is one of those days. And

887
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: I always told you all I would be honest about

888
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: it and to show you you're not alone. We could

889
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: walk this walk together and it immediately people just started

890
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: reaching out to me, and it got me through it,

891
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: where in the past I'd make some bad decisions to

892
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: get me through it is she was you know, Viking

893
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: and an alcohol to get me through it and go

894
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: out and get myself. And you probably see me in

895
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: some of those situations when you and I sang out

896
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: of rock and rileys together. I was probably on one

897
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't good for me. So now I'm learning

898
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: things that I never learned before. I'm learning how to

899
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, love that kind of like the lit the

900
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: little kid in me who's so fucked up, and learned

901
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: how to love him off, little Jason, and you know,

902
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: breath work and meditation. And now I have these new

903
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: unbreakable habits that I do every day and that allows

904
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: me to in the blue instead of the gray. The

905
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: gray still visits, it's just a fucking visitor where it

906
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: used to be. Pull up a chair at the dinner

907
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: table and sit there all fucking day long. So that's

908
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: why I want to talk about it. So, yeah, we

909
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: have service to everybody else to let them know. And

910
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: I do think that those of us with mental health

911
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: issues or in the majority, we're not the minority. We

912
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: feel like we're in the minority because we don't talk

913
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: about and even if my level's clinical, but we're all

914
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: going through something these days, because man, we all think

915
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: our lives suck because we compare ourselves to everybody else's filtered,

916
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: fractured of one second of one day on Instagram or Facebook,

917
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: and it's highlights like how are you supposed to survive?

918
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Like we all think our lives but my life sucks.

919
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Everybody else's is great highlights all the timer, people giving

920
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: you these motivational croats all the time, and Fox, it's

921
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: not what life is. Or you're on Twitter where you're

922
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: just getting bullied a thousand times a second. So we're

923
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: all going through something. So I wanted to give a

924
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: voice to people and give people give it word so

925
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: we could start having conversations with our friends and our wives,

926
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: and our kids especially and our moms, and I've got

927
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: grandparents reached out saying thank you for the first time

928
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: in eighty years. I now have the words to tell

929
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: my husband and kids and grandkids what I've been struggling

930
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: with for eighty years. And a lot of girl dads saying, man,

931
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: I know I can understand my girl, my little girl

932
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And that for me has been

933
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: the most special thing in the world. So that's why

934
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I continued this podcast, you know, Unbreakable, and now I'm

935
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: calling it a mental wealth podcast instead of mental health

936
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: and I still think it has that stigma, but meant

937
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: to get through these mental health issues that leads to

938
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: mental wealth.

939
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're an amazing, amazing guy, and you are helping

940
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: people so much, and I just want to let you

941
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: know though it's not something that I you know, it's

942
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: certainly nothing clinical for me, but the courage that you

943
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: have shown and the real help that you are giving

944
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: to people is really admirable.

945
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: So I want to thank you for that.

946
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: And I have to mention MVP merging Veterans and players.

947
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: You started that with Nate Boyer.

948
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: You know, I'll do a terrible job of explaining what

949
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: it is, but basically, you are joining together former combat

950
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: veterans and former athletes to help each other with the

951
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: veterans transition back into regular life. For lack of a

952
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 2: better term, talk to me a little bit about why

953
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: doing that work for the veterans and for the players.

954
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: By the way, you've talked to me in the past

955
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: about the help that you feel like it gives to

956
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: past players as well.

957
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: Talk to me about why.

958
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started as out in my living room eight

959
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: years ago. I've kind of actually now I've stepped away

960
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: running and I've handed it over to those guys because

961
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, Kid's really big and you're like, you know,

962
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a paid employee and I'm taking up, you know,

963
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: ninety percent of your time. So I'm like, I gotta

964
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: I gotta hand off these cats, let them kind of

965
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: run and do it. And I'm just proud of it.

966
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: It's yeah. I started in my living room with like

967
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: two combat vets and a fighter and a football player,

968
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: and I know the job isn't the same, but losing

969
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: the locker room is the same. The suck of that,

970
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: losing your team is the same. So I just thought

971
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: back then, man, what if we put them together. We

972
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: train them for about a half hour just to give

973
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: your locker room back, and then we just talk. We

974
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: have mental health talks. And it started from my living

975
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: room and then went to my gym, Unbreakable in West Hollywood,

976
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: and we'd have you know, seventy eighty ninety people there

977
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: on a night, and I would a lot of times

978
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of life coaches and talk about this. And that's

979
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: where I got the words from to write a book

980
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: and to use it for everybody else. I knew if

981
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: I could help this high risk group kind of get

982
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: through it, And my thought to them was, look, you

983
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, is now who you are? Right,

984
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: they think the uniform comes off and it's over. No,

985
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: what's behind your ribcage that got you to beat out

986
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: millions and millions and millions of people? That's who the

987
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: fuck you are that doesn't suddenly just leave when the

988
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: uniform comes up? But who tells them that? So now,

989
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: if I can give them a group that can remind

990
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: them of that, then man to walk this walk with

991
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: It's great partimular combat vets. You go overseas and you

992
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: do all these great things. You have grace under fire

993
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: or courage under pressure, and then come back over here

994
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm different. I'm like, no, motherfucker, you're different.

995
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 1: Different is good. Different leads to success. But who tells

996
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: them that? So I try to get this group so

997
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: we can remind each other of that and really build

998
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: each other up. And I guess it's a beautiful thing.

999
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: It's it's in eight different cities, and yeah, I hope,

1000
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: really hope that they can they can build it and

1001
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: grow it and do bigger and better things. And you know,

1002
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: there's my second charity. I used to do one also

1003
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: with kids called Touchdown Dreams, where I would have children

1004
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: who are fighting for their lives and I'd link them

1005
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: up with like their favorite athlete or sports teams to

1006
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: walk this walk together, not just like a one shot deal,

1007
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: to like bring them in and have them captain of

1008
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: the day and you know, really be part of a team,

1009
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: not just for that one day, but moving forward with guys,

1010
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: go visit the hospital and you know they would you know,

1011
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: talk on the phone. It would be a constant thing.

1012
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: So those are my two charities I've started, and now

1013
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a third one with Unbreakable and

1014
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: you know, a bigger mental health We'll see. You know,

1015
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: the m v P part was beautiful, and you know

1016
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: they're continued to to, I think, roll out in more

1017
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: cities as we speak. I know they're trying to.

1018
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: You're an actor as well. I mean, you are the hardest.

1019
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: Ballers, but I'm not an actor. Dickhead self.

1020
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, bones the longest yard.

1021
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: When you're about to be at a movie, what are

1022
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: you talking about underdogs with Snoop dog.

1023
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Snoop yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

1024
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1025
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: But I'm playing my normal dickhead self And in just

1026
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: about all these I did.

1027
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: The league I was doing that I loved that's right.

1028
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's how you know, I did thet game

1029
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: plan with the Rock, and that's how he and I

1030
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: became so close, and that's what got me, you know,

1031
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: with Ballers. And but like I couldn't remember, like you

1032
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: remembering all those scripts in all those lines. I don't

1033
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: know how to fuck you do it. I would come

1034
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: on and be like, hence the ADAHD part, like I

1035
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: can't do this shit and do him and just be

1036
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: like just just let him do whatever. I would change

1037
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: all my lines and I remember that shit, and they're like,

1038
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: just just let him do him and thank god, Like,

1039
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: but I was playing myself. If I had to play

1040
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: somebody else, I'm trying to figure out a way. But

1041
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: that you guys been able to remember all that as always,

1042
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: like I've marveled at it, Like I don't have that

1043
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: mental capacity. I don't think we'll see.

1044
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: Well, well yeah, we'll see.

1045
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody yesterday, what was the greatest

1046
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: football game that happened in twenty twenty three this season?

1047
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: The greatest, most important, significant, best?

1048
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: Where you leave me on something?

1049
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: Drama? I don't know all they all are.

1050
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: Like I I it's a constant no, they all like

1051
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: every week it's the greatest reality show in the world.

1052
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: Every week there's some sort of sullen that shock to you.

1053
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: You're like, whoa, holy.

1054
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 3: Shit, all right.

1055
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: I was talking to the person that I went to

1056
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: the game with, and you know, I've been lucky. I've

1057
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: talked about this, lucky enough to go to playoff games

1058
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: and Super Bowls, and I don't remember ever having the

1059
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: full wide spectrum of emotion of visual Then the first

1060
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: Monday night football game for the Jets and the Bills Week.

1061
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: One, But that's not the best game.

1062
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: That's like September eleventh, Yes, like mean like like memorable,

1063
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: wide range of emotions, drama, horror that was like yeah, yes.

1064
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: That was right there, like Curse of the Jets, like

1065
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: ship Yeah, like it happened, and you're like, oh my god,

1066
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: yeah it's gonna happen. It's gonna hapen to the Jets,

1067
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: Like yeah, wild, wild, wild it was.

1068
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: It was crazy.

1069
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: That was wild. But but nothing surprised me. Nothing surprised

1070
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: me in the League of this year.

1071
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah story this year, Eric, Yeah.

1072
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is up. The biggest story I broke this

1073
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: year was nobody knowing that the Philadelphia Eagles got rid

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Speaker 1: of their changed their defensive coordinator and it just sacked.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew and I kind of can't And I didn't

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Speaker 1: even tell my guys on on Fox, and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, this week, the Eagles made it very very quietly,

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Speaker 1: made a huge move. I fire and sell the size

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Speaker 1: their defense coordinator and putting them Matt Patrician. All the

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Speaker 1: guys in the show were like, what they changed their

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Speaker 1: defense cordator? Nobody knows? How does nobody know? Them? Like,

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Speaker 1: that's what I do. And they're like, what you gotta

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Speaker 1: be kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Wait, do you broke it on the air to them?

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Speaker 3: You hadn't even told them.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we don't rehearse, Like we don't rehearse our show,

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Speaker 1: right and we come on the first time like we're.

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Speaker 3: In the makeup trailer. You don't mention it at all.

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Speaker 1: They knew I had something big on the Eagles. I

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00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: didn't see what it was. They just knew it was big.

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Speaker 1: And then they were like, it's fucking better be big.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, you build it up so much. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I trust me, guys, It'll be big, and stray it

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00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: looks at me like, how does no one know? This,

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00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't knock it out, and he's like, that's what

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Speaker 1: Jay does and it was great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who's going on the super Bowl this year? It's

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Speaker 3: in Las Vegas. By the way. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you heard.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we listen right now.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens are King Kong. You know, they're they beat

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00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: up on the best teams in the league. Hey, look

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00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: it's the two ones. But you know, I think the

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00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: forty nine ers are just physical. Now you know what

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00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: happens the next time they based. Here's the one thing though,

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Speaker 1: the Rams playing the Ravens down there and taking King

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00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: Kong to the brink in their weather changed who the

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Speaker 1: Rams were, so it makes them real dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I just the two one teams are the most complete teams.

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Speaker 2: Right and if the two one teams when this episode

1113
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: airs are not still in well then right there you go.

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Speaker 3: We were we were, we were they.

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Speaker 2: Were, Which is why on Campbell I feel like there

1116
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 2: are going to be more big surprises.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to face the bills going to this playoffs.

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't want to pay the bills. I mean the

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Speaker 3: Rams you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Whoever gets hot less and I by the way both

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Speaker 2: teams might lose.

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Speaker 3: And this is not Homerdom. In the NFC, the two

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Speaker 3: teams not the two best teams, but the two teams

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Speaker 3: playing the best are the six and seven seed. I

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Speaker 3: would argue the Packers and the Rams are playing the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, usually who gets hot last. Yeah, And we said

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00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: we all said this on our show about a month ago.

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Speaker 1: Watch out for those Rams and the Bills if they

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00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: make it in. You don't want to face them.

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Speaker 3: They're just right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are amazing. I love watching you every Sunday

1133
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: morning and getting the scoop, getting the real, the real

1134
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: scoop from the real source, the og, the man that

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Speaker 2: started it all.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on and talking to you, and

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to be chatting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to have you on my podcast.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I know, so go check. That is unbreakable with

1141
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: Jay Glazer. Everything he does turns to gold or he's

1142
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Speaker 2: gonna kick your ass.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, I love you, man. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Jay.

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Speaker 2: You're the best, my friend. Thank you so much for

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00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: coming on. Maybe I will see you next week in

1147
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: Viva Las Vegas for the Super Bowl. You know the

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Speaker 2: Rams and the Bills. Maybe they didn't go as far

1149
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: as we thought when we recorded this, but we've still

1150
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: got the Chiefs and the Niners. What an unbelievable matchup.

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Speaker 2: Can Patrick Mahomes do it again?

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Speaker 3: Listeners?

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 2: If you don't know, I got to do Jay's podcast

1154
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: as well, go check it out Unbreakable. I'm gonna be

1155
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 2: on there very soon, and even without me, there are

1156
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Speaker 2: a lot of great games and important things.

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Speaker 3: To learn from that podcast.

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Speaker 2: I will be here next time, just like I always am.

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Speaker 2: Until then, have a fantastic week. Off the Beat is

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Speaker 2: hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our

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Speaker 2: executive producer, Ling Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr.

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Speaker 2: Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern

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Speaker 2: is Ali Amir Sahed. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak,

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Speaker 2: performed by the one and only Creed Bratton,