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Speaker 1: down that Chargers offense. It's gonna be fun here over
Speaker 1: the next forty minutes. We got to get out a
Speaker 1: little bit early today because we gotta get out of
Speaker 1: the way, unfortunately because coach Mike McCarthy has shifted the
Speaker 1: schedule around a little bit. No. To tell the truth,
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Speaker 1: you know. I wanted to get out of the way
Speaker 1: of all the petty drama between the break and hanging
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Speaker 1: I do have a new challenge out what I just
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Speaker 1: no challenge. I mean, what are you talking about? Okay,
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Speaker 1: over Yeah, y'all do realize the break is gonna be
Speaker 1: right behind. Yeah. I don't know what are we doing,
Speaker 1: but this is important. Is it important? Okay, it is?
Speaker 1: You know what else is important? Dan Quinn scheming up
Speaker 1: to stop Justin Herbert and we mentioned this a little
Speaker 1: bit yesterday, but he's gonna have to do it, uh
Speaker 1: in the debut for Justin Herbert against the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: These two teams were originally supposed to meet last year
Speaker 1: in the preseason, which we would have seen the first
Speaker 1: little haste of Justin Herbert. But now the second year
Speaker 1: rookie makes his way against the Dallas Cowboys in front
Speaker 1: of a full so fine stadium. I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a packed house and it'll probably be pretty darn loud,
Speaker 1: if I guess, I think it's gonna be rocking. But Rob,
Speaker 1: when you look at Justin Herbert and the specific things
Speaker 1: that he can do on the offensive side, what scares
Speaker 1: you the most about what you've seen? I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's his beyond just his skill set, it's
Speaker 1: the guys around him. I mean, he's got maybe the
Speaker 1: best receiver, one of the top receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into all the different guys, but I'll
Speaker 1: just you know, they've got a nice two punch it
Speaker 1: wide at tight end, and they've rebuilt their offensive line,
Speaker 1: so you know, it's early, so it's hard to know
Speaker 1: exactly what they look like. And they went up against
Speaker 1: a really good defense that got to him to some
Speaker 1: degree Washington did last week. But it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a better supporting cast than he had last year. So
Speaker 1: I kind of look at the same as Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, Like, just by that alone, Uh, he's more
Speaker 1: of a challenge than he would be last year. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming out of coming out of Oregon, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people had him ranked a little bit too low.
Speaker 1: I mean after he after his rookie season. Um and
Speaker 1: Justin hurt Herbert is one of those guys that have
Speaker 1: easily got the uh, the reputation of being a smart quarterback. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I think he's like a bio moleculars guy as far
Speaker 1: as his degree playing what's concerned. None of us would
Speaker 1: have been able to get in that degree play and
Speaker 1: I don't do that. But just a smart guy. And
Speaker 1: not only that, he's big, it's big, and he has
Speaker 1: a big arm, and he's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: I believe that the NFL views him as the future.
Speaker 1: I mean He's quintessential uh quarterback, big smart um and
Speaker 1: big arm, you know. So you know, I look at him,
Speaker 1: and I look at some of the things that he
Speaker 1: does on the field, and I'm like, wow, I really
Speaker 1: enjoy watching that kind of quarterback play for me. The
Speaker 1: San Diego walk right into that. The Chargers, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't with Lombardi their their offensive coordinator. They don't
Speaker 1: do a lot of motion and things like that. So
Speaker 1: I think they put him in the best position to succeed.
Speaker 1: But I think there's some other things about his game
Speaker 1: that will will get into as well. Yeah, Heckman just
Speaker 1: went straight into my point. Lombardi is really the key
Speaker 1: to this thing. I know, we want to talk about
Speaker 1: Herbert and some of the other guys they have out there,
Speaker 1: Allen and Eckler and all those guys. But um, but
Speaker 1: Lombardi puts these guys in position to be successful. And
Speaker 1: I say that because as I've been watching the film,
Speaker 1: I've probably watched this game a good four or five
Speaker 1: times now. Where these guys are running West Coast offense.
Speaker 1: This is straight West Coast, this is straight mirrored routes,
Speaker 1: old school Jason Garrett ish. All right, But but shorter routes, right, Jason,
Speaker 1: Gary used to make you hold the ball a little bit.
Speaker 1: These routes are five ten yards down the field and
Speaker 1: they try to lull you to sleep. They give him
Speaker 1: high percentage passes to throw, they're giving him easy reads.
Speaker 1: He does. He doesn't have to think. He's getting a
Speaker 1: ball in the hands of his playmakers, and they're asking
Speaker 1: those guys that didn't go do what they do in
Speaker 1: terms of the yak yardists. So I'm as I look
Speaker 1: at this, at this offense, our defense, I'm trying to think,
Speaker 1: what can they do, what can they do to disrupt
Speaker 1: where Herbert knows because they're not gonna really have the
Speaker 1: time to get back there. I'm a challenge like last
Speaker 1: week where Brady's got the ball out of his hands
Speaker 1: two seconds second half, it's gonna be like that. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and it's because of the way that they scheme it up.
Speaker 1: And you're right the game that you're referencing, the Washington
Speaker 1: Los Angeles game that happened in Week one. I was
Speaker 1: expecting Herbert to come and throw the football around a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, his arm talent is elite. That's
Speaker 1: what I had on my scouting report. Last year whenever
Speaker 1: he was coming out of Oregon elite arm talent. And
Speaker 1: then you also look on the outside and I would
Speaker 1: say Mike Williams and along with Keenan Allen, are both
Speaker 1: top notch deep threats in the league, both of which
Speaker 1: can take the top off of a defense. But they don't.
Speaker 1: At least they didn't last week, and they might this week.
Speaker 1: That's my question that I'm going to turn around to you.
Speaker 1: Do you expect them to do something like that? I
Speaker 1: think they may take more shots at us. Reason being,
Speaker 1: when you're playing against against the Washington football team, you
Speaker 1: don't want to hold the ball, for instance a period
Speaker 1: of time. So they weren't allowing those guys to get home,
Speaker 1: even though their ricky tackle did a heck of a
Speaker 1: job keeping the deep. As a line of if Washington, yes, later,
Speaker 1: freaking man, he showed up. I didn't even know who
Speaker 1: this cat was until I watched the film. You knew
Speaker 1: who he feeled me in? Yeah, you feeled me in,
Speaker 1: But no, um. I think that they did a heck
Speaker 1: of a job and are I think they're gonna take
Speaker 1: more shots against us if we based upon what we
Speaker 1: put on film last week. They are going to test
Speaker 1: us and it's our it kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: backdoors what we were saying yesterday in terms of us
Speaker 1: being able to match their personnel. We need to put
Speaker 1: our bigs on their bigs. We need Diggs, we need
Speaker 1: nay Sean, We need those guys putting hands on those
Speaker 1: guys in line of scrimmage so that they can't get
Speaker 1: free releases and that they can't get down the field.
Speaker 1: And then our d line has time to get home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're right that they would get in the last
Speaker 1: week's game, they'd get the ball and Keenan Allen's hands
Speaker 1: in space like out on the edge, bubble screen type
Speaker 1: stuff and let him go to work, which he can do.
Speaker 1: And he's going to be the biggest challenge, there's no
Speaker 1: question about it. And they move him around as well,
Speaker 1: move him in the slot a little bit, try to
Speaker 1: get him off of potential double coverage and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So it starts with him, but they've got other guys.
Speaker 1: Heck no, and I watched the same game, and you
Speaker 1: realize that Herbert was cognizant of getting the ball out
Speaker 1: of his hand. He knew that pressure was coming. But
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen to me, is the possession receiver for the Chargers.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can run all of those intermediate routes.
Speaker 1: He does that well. I mean, top five deal alive
Speaker 1: when it comes down to route runners. Keenan Allen is
Speaker 1: that you know, and you can argue at five all
Speaker 1: you want to, but he is in the mix of
Speaker 1: some of the best Mike Williams when you watch when
Speaker 1: you watch the Chargers, he's there, big play guy. And
Speaker 1: the thing that I noticed about Herbert is he is
Speaker 1: still a young quarterback and he has young quarterback tendencies.
Speaker 1: He will stare down his receivers and that may be
Speaker 1: the opportunity for our defense because he does that. Now,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, because you know a lot of
Speaker 1: times when you give your anecdotal accounts about playing wide
Speaker 1: receivers in DBS in this league, why is the perception
Speaker 1: that if you're a zone corner you're you're not any good?
Speaker 1: Because to me, looking at this team, if you play zone,
Speaker 1: you don't have to travel guys. You can actually stay
Speaker 1: back and do all the things that you talked about
Speaker 1: as far as putting hands on guys and recognizing where
Speaker 1: the areas that you're covering so you don't have to
Speaker 1: take the same approach that you did last week per
Speaker 1: se with Tampa. True. And so I mean, for you,
Speaker 1: do you think that when you looked at the tape,
Speaker 1: did you say zone works better versus or are we
Speaker 1: gonna stay true to the Tampa two man? I think
Speaker 1: I think you want to play zone. I think you
Speaker 1: want to play kind of one high zone though, because
Speaker 1: the reason being, these guys run a lot of flag routes,
Speaker 1: a lot of out routes, yep. And you want to
Speaker 1: have those guys underneath, right, you want to have four
Speaker 1: to five guys playing within that five to ten yard
Speaker 1: barrier because that's where they're living. So putting being able
Speaker 1: to put you know, Neil and be able to put
Speaker 1: Parsons and Jabril Cox and all these guys at that
Speaker 1: second level to be able to run sideline the sideline,
Speaker 1: but also have the length, to be able to consolidate
Speaker 1: those those gaps, because you're gonna have gaps in his zone.
Speaker 1: That's what his zone is, right, and those guys are
Speaker 1: gonna try to try to you know, obviously take advantage
Speaker 1: of that. But when you have length and when you
Speaker 1: have speed, that's when you can kind of counter their
Speaker 1: ability to be able to convert on those things, do
Speaker 1: you think. I mean, I'm just trying to go back
Speaker 1: to what we had talked about yesterday because we mentioned
Speaker 1: man versus zone against. This has your thought process shifted?
Speaker 1: It all on what you want to go to in
Speaker 1: terms of how you would if you were in dan
Speaker 1: quinn shoes combat this off. I think you have to
Speaker 1: mix it up. And the thing is those guys, you
Speaker 1: obviously don't want to come out and just run straight zones,
Speaker 1: especially yeah, especially with these guys, and that's not what
Speaker 1: they did last year. That's what they did last we give.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would never do that in the game plan. However,
Speaker 1: these guys run a lot of tight splits. So when
Speaker 1: you're running a lot of tight splits, it makes it
Speaker 1: difficult to play man. What is tight splits? Tight splits
Speaker 1: meaning that the receivers, instead of being out wide, they're
Speaker 1: literally close to the tackles. Right, So these guys are
Speaker 1: three two to three yards off of the tackle. Looks
Speaker 1: like a bunch. It looks like a kind of a
Speaker 1: bunch set. But you know, two guys on each side
Speaker 1: and they're typically running the same round. Keeping things snug. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you allow yourself to have you know, twelve or
Speaker 1: fifteen yards of space to run your routes on the
Speaker 1: outside kind instead of instead of lining up five yards
Speaker 1: from the sideline, now you have fifteen yards from the
Speaker 1: sideline to work, and it open open things up. Also,
Speaker 1: if I'm close to me, if me and Rob pe
Speaker 1: are in a in a tight set right and we're
Speaker 1: close to our tackles, now all of a sudden, if
Speaker 1: you guys are playing man to man, we can do
Speaker 1: all kinds of nasty things in terms of our release
Speaker 1: to pick you guys. I can have Rob cross my
Speaker 1: face and guess what you're gonna do. You're gonna run
Speaker 1: over the top of Heck mon, well, guess where I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm going underneath Rob, so he can't play me man
Speaker 1: to man. It's an easy five yard pitching cash, just
Speaker 1: like he talked about Keenan Allen getting and then guess what,
Speaker 1: now you have to worry about this guy in his
Speaker 1: yack yardage. I was just gonna say, the Rams run
Speaker 1: some of that kind of stuff absolutely where. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of variations off of that depending on what
Speaker 1: the coverage is. So yeah, McBay likes and no one
Speaker 1: did the pick plays better than New England cheaters. But
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I read a lot of pig plays. But
Speaker 1: you're right. I just want to go back to what
Speaker 1: you said about dan Quinn and just disguising those coverages
Speaker 1: showing man playing zone things like that, and everybody does
Speaker 1: it in the NFL. I mean, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with still a young quarterback and you want
Speaker 1: to make sure that you disguise it. But let's go
Speaker 1: back to what we know is gonna work for this defense,
Speaker 1: and it's an old remedy, your defensive line creating pressure.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna cure everything. You know. It's it's
Speaker 1: like my grandmother and castor all Man, she thought that
Speaker 1: that cured everything. To take it, yeah, you know, it's horrible,
Speaker 1: but it's an old remedy that cured everything. And the
Speaker 1: defensive line is that cure. I mean, if you can
Speaker 1: get pressure on the quarterback, then that alleviates a lot
Speaker 1: of the time that you're dealing with in that zone
Speaker 1: in man. So I'm looking for this defensive line today,
Speaker 1: I mean for Sunday to just I mean, bring it.
Speaker 1: If You're gonna bring a blitz get home, and that's
Speaker 1: what we have to Michael Parsons last week did not
Speaker 1: get the pressure on Tom Brady because of his quick releases.
Speaker 1: But I think we have opportunity this week. You have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get after a young quarterback this week,
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that no matter what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tom Brady and Justin Herbert are on different
Speaker 1: levels in terms of getting the football out quick, no
Speaker 1: matter how much you scheme it up. For Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: I want to see I'm in the same way. I
Speaker 1: want to see DeMarcus Lawrence get after it. He had
Speaker 1: the forced fumble last week. I want him to have
Speaker 1: an encore. I want him to come after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: I want to get a couple of sacks because he
Speaker 1: didn't really see a whole lot of that. That is
Speaker 1: that when you bring up de Marcus Ware, that is
Speaker 1: Lawrence Lawrence, de Marcus Lawrence Storm Norton is the left tackle.
Speaker 1: That the tackle that he's going to be going against.
Speaker 1: The right tackle, yeah, that he's going to be going against.
Speaker 1: And I mean that one on one matchup, if he
Speaker 1: has it, he has to win that matchup. Definitely see
Speaker 1: you guys are looking at the d line. I'm honestly
Speaker 1: looking at our second level this game. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the linebacker. I'm leving our linebackers. I think our ability
Speaker 1: to run and hit is going to be the deciding
Speaker 1: factor for us. I think they're going to get the
Speaker 1: ball out. Will they take their shots? Absolutely? Absolutely, especially
Speaker 1: if we put you know, shorter stature guys on their
Speaker 1: big boys out there. They're running six two six four
Speaker 1: out there, all right. They have a little guy too,
Speaker 1: but he's in the backfield and he's kind of shifty, right.
Speaker 1: But in terms of us, I think our guys a
Speaker 1: gonna have to run and hit and be physical as
Speaker 1: all get out, obviously rushing to the ball, swarming the
Speaker 1: ball and trying to get the ball out that way.
Speaker 1: I think we got force turnovers. We did it last week,
Speaker 1: but I think we can force turnovers that way. But
Speaker 1: I really think it's going to be dependent on our
Speaker 1: second level guys being able to make plays. I really
Speaker 1: like you bringing up the linebackers here because I feel
Speaker 1: like that's one thing we really didn't hit a whole
Speaker 1: lot outside. I had of snap count from last week.
Speaker 1: So let's take our break. When we come back on
Speaker 1: the other side, I want to talk about the linebackers
Speaker 1: and some of the specific needs that we need to
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Speaker 1: It's a committed to marinate Um. How would we grade
Speaker 1: the linebacker performances past week? How would we grade it?
Speaker 1: And I don't even need mean like letter grade, but
Speaker 1: just good bad ugly needs improvement? What what what sticker
Speaker 1: would you put on it? If you had to put
Speaker 1: one on it? Rob Um, it was okay. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I wrote about Michael Parsons a lot yesterday, and
Speaker 1: I liked a lot of what I saw from him
Speaker 1: in the game. I mean, his primary responsibilities. It seemed
Speaker 1: like we're four net wherever he goes, even if he's
Speaker 1: out wide or and tight ends. And he obviously they
Speaker 1: had trouble with Gronk, there's no question about that. But
Speaker 1: he was around the ball a lot, and he had
Speaker 1: a lot of fifty fifty almost plays in the game,
Speaker 1: And so I like that he's still around the ball,
Speaker 1: he's still given a one hundred percent effort, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the communications stuff that will grow
Speaker 1: as he I love that article. I ran the article man,
Speaker 1: and I love how you prefaced up almost plays. I liked, well,
Speaker 1: that was one twin point was the fifty fifty sideline
Speaker 1: throw where Brady's like off his back foot and just
Speaker 1: that was not Tom Brady type throw. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think Dan was kind of suggesting maybe maybe Micah
Speaker 1: relaxed a little bit because he thought the play was
Speaker 1: over and he wasn't going that way. Might have been
Speaker 1: a pick, might have been had been a game changing play,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, MICA's one hundred ten percent all
Speaker 1: the time. So that was a good teaching point for him.
Speaker 1: But I thought, do you think that pick six this year? Oh? God, dude,
Speaker 1: I think I could see it. Yeah, if he gets
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, it's off to the race.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's gone immediately the
Speaker 1: first time he gets the ball. But man, I mean
Speaker 1: at Penn State when he got the ball, he was
Speaker 1: pretty lethal with it. What do you guys think? I mean,
Speaker 1: I obviously defensively they gave up plays. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the second ground touchdown was clearly just a it was
Speaker 1: a bust playing. Quinn said, I shouldn't have called it,
Speaker 1: and should not I don't have so he admitted that
Speaker 1: and maybe shouldn't have called it. And I think Quinn
Speaker 1: man going back to that cover zero played for GROUNK,
Speaker 1: I just thought the alignment was wrong. I thought it
Speaker 1: should have been Wilson on the outside, Tank on the inside.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing that led to the play
Speaker 1: going is because you don't leave the inside of the
Speaker 1: field like that open in any quarterback in this league
Speaker 1: is gonna find it. But you know, I think it
Speaker 1: was fair for the linebacker play. When it comes down
Speaker 1: to Mica, I understand that they didn't. He didn't play
Speaker 1: last year at all. And you know, the rookie wall
Speaker 1: is waiting. I know you got your article ready for
Speaker 1: the rookie wall, but you know at some point it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But I don't want to see him leave
Speaker 1: the field yet. I mean, you see him in there
Speaker 1: on running plays and he's he's capable. I mean he's
Speaker 1: like you said, he's always around the ball. He's that
Speaker 1: opportunistic defender that you want. I love what you were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, with dan Quinn's communicates, saying that his communication
Speaker 1: was well, what did you see? Things like that? And
Speaker 1: not only just for Micah, I think Keen O'Neill he
Speaker 1: had a situation versus Gronk where you know, he got
Speaker 1: burned on the first down. But that's things that are
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You can look at this matchup. The guy
Speaker 1: like Jared Cook, veteran tight end ben in the league,
Speaker 1: know all the tricks to the trade of you still
Speaker 1: you know again, you get an opportunity to go up
Speaker 1: against the guy, and I want to see how Neil
Speaker 1: matches up. I think from a rotation standpoint, I like
Speaker 1: what we saw on Sunday or on Thursday. Rather, I
Speaker 1: think the rotation was fine. I thought the way that
Speaker 1: he matched up specific guys on specific guys is exactly
Speaker 1: what dan Quinn was alluding to. So I like that
Speaker 1: a lot. It was a matchup game, and we talked
Speaker 1: about the snap counts of Michael Parson's at fifty one,
Speaker 1: Knew at fifty, Jalen Smith at sixteen, Laton vander Esch
Speaker 1: at fourteen. I think that switches around, and dan Quinn
Speaker 1: even alluded to it said it's early, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: matchup football. Well, now, as you look to the Chargers,
Speaker 1: you've got guys like Jared Cook as a tight end
Speaker 1: who had five receptions for fifty six yards this past
Speaker 1: Sunday against Washington. He had an opportunity for a couple more.
Speaker 1: I think throughout that game and they elected to go elsewhere.
Speaker 1: But now that you see this matchup, Isaiah, how do
Speaker 1: you see the rotation panning out for the Cowboys linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see it being a lot more equal, I really do.
Speaker 1: The reason being Jared Cook's not Gronk, sure, and Jared
Speaker 1: Cook's He's like a juggernaut. When when I think about
Speaker 1: what we're watching an X man and watching he's a juggernaut.
Speaker 1: He takes time to get going. So I think that you,
Speaker 1: you know vander ash, you know Jayles Smith, those guys
Speaker 1: that have more of an opportunity to get their hands
Speaker 1: on him at the line of scrimmage and really just
Speaker 1: kind of ride his coattail, really sitting in his hip pocket.
Speaker 1: So I think that we'll see those guys be a
Speaker 1: lot more physical. Even though Gronk has ability to be physical,
Speaker 1: he's more elusive right as big as he is six seven,
Speaker 1: two sixty wherever he is, he's he's really elusive versus
Speaker 1: Jared Cook is really just kind of just man, just square.
Speaker 1: I gotta look up juggernaut. I don't know X men,
Speaker 1: you know what a juggernaut is? Wow, I know the
Speaker 1: term out. I don't know the y the shaded video,
Speaker 1: so you have the visual. But but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think that their former kind of game. You never see
Speaker 1: Jerry Cooker the same. Again, that's how you residents. But
Speaker 1: I think these guys will have more of an impact,
Speaker 1: even more so than than a Neil or a Cox
Speaker 1: against that particular player. Okay, because they could be more physical,
Speaker 1: they're heavier. How worried should we be about the linebackers
Speaker 1: on tight ends? Hecma, I'm worried about any any any linebacker,
Speaker 1: any linebacker other than Neil and Parsons our Cox on
Speaker 1: the tight end for sure, based off of their history.
Speaker 1: So you know, if that's my take on this is
Speaker 1: when you do a comparison between what we came up
Speaker 1: against last week, I like what Isaiah was saying. It's
Speaker 1: not the same style of a tight end. But still
Speaker 1: he's a savvy guy, and you know he knows how
Speaker 1: to find those open spaces in a zone or a
Speaker 1: man or whatever it's gonna be. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: for us, the number one thing has to be circled
Speaker 1: and underlying to stop the run. Because Austin Eckler and
Speaker 1: round Tree their backup, the backup running back man, this
Speaker 1: guy of them was sorry roundtree to third. He's he's
Speaker 1: a he's a bit of a change of pace. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I want to see our linebackers come
Speaker 1: downhill and expose the charges in that way. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the that's the bigger, bigger thing for the
Speaker 1: second level. You're showing who Juggnaut is, so at least
Speaker 1: now you know, yeah, now Jerry Cook has burned the
Speaker 1: Cowboys before many Mike McCarthy as his coach a few
Speaker 1: years ago. That's I was gonna go to the run game.
Speaker 1: That's that was a great point because we haven't really
Speaker 1: talked much about Austin Ekeler and I have that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have him too, And we didn't talk much about
Speaker 1: the run defense because they didn't try it much Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay true last week. But I thought that was pretty
Speaker 1: good in a small sample size, that they were physical,
Speaker 1: they were in the right spots. I just think just
Speaker 1: to get back on the linebackers real quick, I think,
Speaker 1: and we'll see if vander Esh and Jalen play more,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's more a little more balanced, but that
Speaker 1: that duo with Parsons and Neil, there is more speed
Speaker 1: out there. And I just go back to some of
Speaker 1: those game games last year. I'm thinking like Arizona Cleveland,
Speaker 1: where they really tried to stretch the Cowboys out defensively
Speaker 1: and make them go, like you were saying, side to
Speaker 1: side move latterly, and that was a weakness last year.
Speaker 1: Eckler challenges you in that way. Rowntree, even Jalen Guyden
Speaker 1: some of the things they do with him former Cowboy
Speaker 1: as well. I think the Cowboys are better equipped with
Speaker 1: their second level in terms of range to cover some
Speaker 1: of those things. So I feel better about those matchups
Speaker 1: than I did last year with the group they had,
Speaker 1: and they were missing vander esh last year for a
Speaker 1: good portion of the season too. No, I like that.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the team I guess priorities
Speaker 1: this past offseason was adding that team speed and picking
Speaker 1: up guys like Neil and Cox who could add to that,
Speaker 1: especially Micah Parsons. But is there a chance that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys slowed down Austin Eckler kind of how Washington ended
Speaker 1: up doing last week fifteen carries for fifty seven yards.
Speaker 1: He's still got that touchdown. It was a run up
Speaker 1: the middle on the left side just from the goal
Speaker 1: line or inside the five yard line or whatever it
Speaker 1: ended up being. But is there a chance that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys slow him down and bottle them up like the
Speaker 1: football team did, Well, you're gonna have to. And Austin
Speaker 1: Ekeler is still nursing a hamstring hamstring injury, so that
Speaker 1: may be something to watch. But still, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: one of those churners. He's a guy that gets into
Speaker 1: a pile, he continues to move his legs. He obviously
Speaker 1: goes to Isaiah's jim because this kid is yoked. He
Speaker 1: is a big, old guy, big and physical as well.
Speaker 1: But I like, I mean, the thing with Austin Ekeler is,
Speaker 1: you know, he lolls you the sleep the way that
Speaker 1: he runs, and then with the combination of round Tree,
Speaker 1: I can see how that could be beneficial to them.
Speaker 1: But number one objective for this defense is going to
Speaker 1: be stopping the running game, because if the Chargers are
Speaker 1: able to get that going, everything else is going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, just candy for them. Yeah. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of just back doing what Heckman said
Speaker 1: and what I said earlier in terms of just us
Speaker 1: flowing to the ball. I think as long as our
Speaker 1: guys running hit like they did last week, I think
Speaker 1: we'll be okay. I think you throw Jalen in and
Speaker 1: Vanderesh a little more and then you have the even more.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind like bringing in Joel Frasier, right,
Speaker 1: you get to get to get the heavy hitters in
Speaker 1: there and then boom pop him out of airlands, bring
Speaker 1: a speed right, and just being able to mix it up.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a huge factor for us
Speaker 1: as long as we can wrap up. I don't think
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to guil go off against us.
Speaker 1: We're shying away from the elephant in the room. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the elephant in the room when we
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Speaker 1: before we get kicked out of here? What was that
Speaker 1: elephant you were eluded to? Calm down, fighter? We just
Speaker 1: played that drop like so, I mean defensively obviously last
Speaker 1: week with all the the receiving yards that we gave up.
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about Austin Ekeler and what the
Speaker 1: running game could do. Obviously there's a matchup that we're
Speaker 1: looking for here, uh, and it's between we talked about
Speaker 1: zone versus man. But also who are we going to relegate?
Speaker 1: I mean, are we saying Brown and Lewis are going
Speaker 1: to take over? Uh for the Mike Williams uh duties,
Speaker 1: the Keenan Allen duties. How do you guys see that
Speaker 1: unfolding for our defense? Well, I'm curious to see if
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs is just gonna travel every week, you know
Speaker 1: he basically mean he shadowed Mike Evans for the most
Speaker 1: part in week one. Is that going to be a
Speaker 1: regular thing? You know? Is that is? Hey, you're sticking
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen for four quarters? Like, I'm curious to see
Speaker 1: if that's what they do or if they play sides.
Speaker 1: You know I would do it. Would y'all do it? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know when I like what Isaiah was saying, big
Speaker 1: on big and and I like you, I think that
Speaker 1: that is more to our advantage in a zone coverage
Speaker 1: kind of way. And I think if you do that,
Speaker 1: you don't have to travel, or if you do zone
Speaker 1: on one side man on another, It just depends on
Speaker 1: how where Quinn is with his guys. I just feel
Speaker 1: like when you look at the Charges, they have guys
Speaker 1: like Jalen Guyton's the tight end that we just talked
Speaker 1: about Cook, and you know they're running back combination as well.
Speaker 1: They may not have the three headed monster receiver, but
Speaker 1: they have three guys that can actually be that one guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just really intrigued on how we
Speaker 1: go into this matchup. And I want to see as
Speaker 1: much flat as he's taken this week. I want to
Speaker 1: see Anthony Brown rebound from this game because when it
Speaker 1: comes down when you said they're gonna take the shots
Speaker 1: with Keenan Allen based off of the tape that they see,
Speaker 1: They're gonna do it right. But also Keenan Allen's thing
Speaker 1: is those those those middle routes and I think that
Speaker 1: plays into I hope it plays into Anthony Brown's willhouse
Speaker 1: to be able to fend that better versus you know,
Speaker 1: those goal routes. Do you think the lessons learned against
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay last Thursday are going to benefit this team
Speaker 1: now that they don't have to go up against just
Speaker 1: the gear amount of weaponry this week. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: talking about Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and Jerry Cook
Speaker 1: like they're I mean, they're respectable players, but they are
Speaker 1: not what the Cowboys saw one week one bye. It's
Speaker 1: a different stretch of the imagine skill sets. It really
Speaker 1: is different skill sets. You look at last week and
Speaker 1: what we face. He had a big Mike Evans, right,
Speaker 1: they had one big receiver. After that, you had freaking
Speaker 1: Godwin who's shifty with speed, and you had Antonio Brown,
Speaker 1: who's freaking however many years ago s right, I mean, speed, shifty,
Speaker 1: you know, just intelligence all that. So this week it's size.
Speaker 1: This week is pure size. It's six two freaking Keenan Allen,
Speaker 1: who's one of the top five receivers in the league, right,
Speaker 1: and then you on the other side, you have somebody
Speaker 1: who's more of a even a deep threat than he is,
Speaker 1: who's six four, who has a four to five inch
Speaker 1: advantage depending on if you want to put Brown or
Speaker 1: George Lewis on him. But and this week is gonna
Speaker 1: tack taking back five to six inch. I'm sorry, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely correct. And you think about the Chargers.
Speaker 1: But then next week you go up against Philadelphia, who
Speaker 1: again they have some receivers that are this is the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, every week's gonna be a new every week's
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be a challenge, right, but again, compared to
Speaker 1: last week, compared to last week, now we have you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about matchups. You just you just talked about
Speaker 1: how we need to be able to match guys up.
Speaker 1: I think it's unrealistic. Obviously playing his own, it's unrealistic
Speaker 1: to put freaking a five ten or five eleven on
Speaker 1: a six four guy who pretty much beats everybody who
Speaker 1: he comes across. That's unreal that's an unrealistic ask. Now,
Speaker 1: you can give him support, right, Heck, you could get
Speaker 1: some support and put guys over the top. And I
Speaker 1: know coach came back and said that, you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't he was supposed to have help over the top
Speaker 1: and all that. But it doesn't matter. If I look
Speaker 1: out there and I see I see Anthony Brown, no
Speaker 1: disrespect him. I'm just off of attributes alone. If I
Speaker 1: see Anthony Brown out there against against Williams, I'm throwing
Speaker 1: a jump ball. I'm throwing a jump ball because guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm either gonna he's either go up and make him
Speaker 1: play because he's just bigger than you. Not necessarily, it
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be better all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's just bigger than you, or I'm gonna i'ma gonna
Speaker 1: flag ye because you're trying to hold on. Make them
Speaker 1: make a decision. Absolutely. The Washington put a smaller corner
Speaker 1: on Williams a couple times last week. It was man
Speaker 1: to man throw it up. Yeah, it's one reason why
Speaker 1: the philosophy they have in terms of length and corners
Speaker 1: with size. I mean, that's that's the way this league's going.
Speaker 1: You're getting these bigger and bigger receivers every year with
Speaker 1: this tremendous athletic skill set. And that's what you know.
Speaker 1: If you can find a corner, that's not the fluidity
Speaker 1: to do it. Now in the Sean right ready for this,
Speaker 1: I guess is the question. And so that that's the question, right,
Speaker 1: because this is why you drafted him. Sure, this is
Speaker 1: why you went up and drafted because he guess what,
Speaker 1: coaches looked at the schedule and he said six two
Speaker 1: six four, Yeah, we're gonna need somebody to go up
Speaker 1: against those zous and right now, we don't have that
Speaker 1: on our roster. Right, we got our we got our
Speaker 1: number one and Diggs right, but he's he's even only
Speaker 1: a second year guy. So Dig's got baptized and baptized
Speaker 1: by fire last last year. He might you know, Nashan
Speaker 1: might have to do the same thing. But guess what
Speaker 1: we got to find out? You sound like hick, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're happy and not where the drop. He was saying
Speaker 1: that this is why you grabbed him. This is why
Speaker 1: for why else would you have got Nashan right, Knight?
Speaker 1: Not for Antonio Brown. No, you're right. I mean when
Speaker 1: they drafted Nashan Right, it was puzzling to every draft
Speaker 1: expert out there. It was puzzling to everybody. But then
Speaker 1: he got out there and you're like, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: get it, size, speed, combination, but why did you do
Speaker 1: it so early, it's because you knew you were going
Speaker 1: to go up against guys like this. So if they
Speaker 1: don't throw him out there, that means two things. Either
Speaker 1: one he's not ready or two that's not why they
Speaker 1: drafted him. And I don't see the second one being
Speaker 1: the case. I don't either. It's just like Rob said,
Speaker 1: it is baseline. Is Nashan right ready to go? Well,
Speaker 1: you've got you got veteran corner ahead of him on
Speaker 1: the depth chart to Kennedy has been in this league
Speaker 1: a while and as you know, started and played games.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think if they want to make
Speaker 1: a change at some point, they would go to Maurice
Speaker 1: And I think we give we give Kennedy. I gave
Speaker 1: Kennedy a lot of credit because of what he did
Speaker 1: in otays and preseason getting those those interceptions. He was
Speaker 1: as impressive as anybody in camp. But if you I
Speaker 1: always look, you know, I was looking at a guy's career.
Speaker 1: You know, what has he done in his career? Has
Speaker 1: he been that in games? Speed? Do we have tape
Speaker 1: to show in game that he's been that? Dude? And
Speaker 1: I don't think we have a lot of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he played two snaps, I believe the last game, and
Speaker 1: that's not enough, and especially when you're getting beat like
Speaker 1: a drum in the secondary. So he needs enough, He
Speaker 1: needs an opportunity, but real quickly before we wrap things up,
Speaker 1: kind of along the same lines as a veteran who
Speaker 1: didn't see any playing time, Malie Cooker, that did we
Speaker 1: ever figure out why he was inactive last week? Was
Speaker 1: it just a numbers thing? Yeah? I mean I think
Speaker 1: they're just they're they're trying to ramp him up. They
Speaker 1: barely got to see him in training camp, honestly, and
Speaker 1: they're just going off of his his history. He doesn't
Speaker 1: he hasn't played special teams in his career. So if
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be on defense, then what's the role
Speaker 1: for him on game day? I think? But Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: said on the fan a couple of days ago, like,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see him in a uniform
Speaker 1: this week. Probably they want to see what he can do. Eventually,
Speaker 1: they're just trying to get him back to uh, you
Speaker 1: know football. You know, he didn't get back into practice
Speaker 1: till we got back from Coxnard. There were a couple breaks,
Speaker 1: of course against Tampa Bay, and there always will be
Speaker 1: because it's Tom Brady in that offense. But in terms
Speaker 1: of the play that you saw from Demante Kayz, did
Speaker 1: it make you feel comfortable about the safety position moving
Speaker 1: forward or do you feel like Hooker's going to come
Speaker 1: in and immediately have an opportunity to challenge for a
Speaker 1: starting spot. I think this whole secondaries up for grabs,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some opportunities or to get in there and get some snaps.
Speaker 1: I was shot. See how it plays out. I was
Speaker 1: shocked Curse played as many snaps as he did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say because he was was fair,
Speaker 1: you know, the the forcing the turnover at the end,
Speaker 1: the goals that was big, you know. But we've talked
Speaker 1: about safety and trying to get somebody in here that
Speaker 1: could be impactful. Now we're getting another safety on that
Speaker 1: doesn't play any special teams. I just want to know
Speaker 1: how this is all going to work out. If we're
Speaker 1: gonna have three safeties, you know, free s, how are
Speaker 1: we going to do this? Because I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: we got some guys by bye week six, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be coming on to this roster year. Everybody won't be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the curse thing was interesting because I think that was
Speaker 1: more of the tight end deal, the double tight ends,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of the role they envisioned for him
Speaker 1: when they signed him, and that was an expense I
Speaker 1: think of Jalen Smith and Layton Vandersch. So maybe depending
Speaker 1: on the matchups, because we keep talking about matchups, and
Speaker 1: maybe that balances things out a little bit. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna get forty snaps like he did in the first game.
Speaker 1: Less curse, more Elfie, more Jalen Smith, especially if if
Speaker 1: the Chargers don't go a ton of twelve personnel and
Speaker 1: don't throw two tight ends out there, because I don't
Speaker 1: see them doing that nearly as much as what Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay did last week. But that's gonna do it for
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