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Speaker 1: what to talk about? What to talk about? Is it

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Speaker 1: divisive or divisive? Tomato tomato, potato potato. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way, Ravens lose again a game

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Speaker 1: in which the offense was really good, then big fumble

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and the offense goes. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to what that means for Lamar and for the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: or maybe we should talk more about the Lions, who,

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Speaker 1: after a first week dud, have been outstanding against the

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Speaker 1: Bears and the Ravens in back to back weeks. However

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Speaker 1: you want to look at it. Plus major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: coming to an end here as we're getting close to

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Speaker 1: the wild card next week, maybe we'll pick Jay Stew's

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Speaker 1: brain on what he thinks of the Dodgers, the Brewers,

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Padres, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But I think this one's at my wheelhouse, right Like

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Speaker 1: you guys are all like this one. We kind of

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Speaker 1: know what I got my buddies, Like, what are you

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Speaker 1: going to talk about today? Mike Gundy, for twenty one

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Speaker 1: years was the head coach at Oklahoma State. He's relieved

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Speaker 1: of his duties today. The winningest coach in the history

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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma State football. I'll I'll just give it to

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Speaker 1: you straight. I did not think he would be fired.

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Speaker 1: And the logic behind it is, as you heard from

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer, they owe him fifteen million on a buyout.

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Speaker 1: They just hired an entirely new staff. The two coordinators,

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Speaker 1: one of which Doug Meachum's now the interim head coach

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Speaker 1: has a three year, one one million dollar per year deal,

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Speaker 1: so they're still on the hook for the rest of

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Speaker 1: this season and then two more seasons. I think the

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have a new team. Right, All these

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Speaker 1: and you're like, well, school's already started. The schools on

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of these guys are leaving now,

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Speaker 1: but they could, but they're gonna all be gone by

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, and you have a whole

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Speaker 1: new staff and a whole new team. And if this

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Speaker 1: team costs you, I was told thirteen million dollars, let's

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Speaker 1: just be conservative, fifteen fourteen, thirteen for just this head coach,

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Speaker 1: this staff, and this roster. Right, you're looking at forty

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Speaker 1: two ish million dollars, okay, and then you have to

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Speaker 1: a reason fifteen to twenty next year if you actually

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Speaker 1: want to be competitive, and this coaching staff again, just

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Speaker 1: even in for a one year, you're like your first year,

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Speaker 1: That's thirty five plus whatever forty two. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: in oklanm State. Now. I have been told there are

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Speaker 1: you why. The timing of it and what they have

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Speaker 1: done is absolutely positively wrong, and it's wrong for a

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Speaker 1: myriad of reasons. The number one reason is, hey, I

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Speaker 1: thought we were different. You know, my brother, he's been

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Speaker 1: Nothing I haven't done a thousand times. You're like, what

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Speaker 1: He did it, did it for a long time. But

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Speaker 1: those problems. What's the purpose having a contract if you

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Speaker 1: a weird tie. They never got to go in. They're

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Speaker 1: chasing the glory of a program in the past when

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Speaker 1: they were in a different league, in a different time,

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Speaker 1: I understand it's hard a Virginia Tech, but none of

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Speaker 1: past Friday. But here's the point. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma model, And you're gonna fire you're winning his coach? Ever,

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Speaker 1: why because he might win games. Here's a news flash.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody knows this. Even if Mike

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Speaker 1: it cost you? Fifteen million dollars? But you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: do it the right way. Was it embarrassing to lose

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Speaker 1: What change for this weekend? Is Baylor kid? Nothing. All

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Speaker 1: scratch next year, regardless, completely over, new staff, new program,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that, I'm living it. So this is

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Speaker 1: And you can say, well, when you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: They weren't great. It's really really hard to have fifteen

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Speaker 1: saying you can't fire an alone. You can. This is

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Speaker 1: the right to do so. But why now because idiots

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Speaker 2: Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 4: You've got cat scratch fever. This is second straight week

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Speaker 5: It feels like a great time to bring up this too.

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Speaker 5: Every single year Dan puts a prediction uh list in

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Speaker 3: Little did I know that there? Dan, didn't you say

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Speaker 1: Samon, let me, let me help you, Sam, like seventy

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Speaker 3: It's very on a whim, very close. I didn't think

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Speaker 3: I believe it was this.

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Speaker 1: What is that that?

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Speaker 1: to where we have no idea how good they are? Right? Seattle,

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Speaker 1: new quarterback, new coach. Again, I don't know how good

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Speaker 1: Seattle is. Part of it was the Saints are so bad.

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Speaker 1: The Saints are so bad, like Donald like, hey, just

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Speaker 1: don't screw it up, and you're fine here, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna win by a million. But then they played

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Speaker 1: the Saints. Then they play the Cardinals at home again.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals are okay. Now they lost Bosa, Right like

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Speaker 1: half of their stars they've lost, and they get the

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Speaker 1: Jags at home next before and then it gets real,

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Speaker 1: right Rams Buccaneers on the road. But the Niners have

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Speaker 1: this soft schedule to where like they're three and oh,

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Speaker 1: I have zero feel for how good they actually are.

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Speaker 4: It helps to play the NFC South in the AFC South, this.

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Speaker 1: Is the NFC West is going to be this year's

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Speaker 1: AFC West from last year, right where you match up

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Speaker 1: against the two weakest divisions, and NFC North from last

445
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Speaker 1: year the same thing as well. That's why both of

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Speaker 1: those divisions got.

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Speaker 4: Three teams in the playoffs. Two and one is in

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Speaker 4: the last place right now in the NFC West.

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Speaker 3: The Niners are their most rickety three and oh team

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. I think we can agree very.

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Speaker 1: Rickety rickety meaning they got hurt.

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Speaker 3: Well, just I mean that they're they're three and oh,

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Speaker 3: but they've scraped by rickety means I mean like an

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Speaker 3: old boat, it's squeaky and it's got things falling apart

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Speaker 3: the injuries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not what you just said. You said

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Speaker 1: that they squeaked by.

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Speaker 3: They're rickety rickety is rickety is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, when they're all old and you think they're they're

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Speaker 1: falling apart. Rickety is when you're like you're on a

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Speaker 1: wooden roller coaster. Wooden roller coaster, like.

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Speaker 3: The bolts are loose, rickety, like a rickety old boat.

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Speaker 1: That's roller coaster? Was enough. I thought everybody got the

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Speaker 1: wooden roller coaster analog roll.

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Speaker 3: Wooden roller coasters are cool. There's one in Des Moines.

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Speaker 1: No, they're not Ventureland there they are not.

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Speaker 3: Is this gonna last?

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Speaker 1: They're they're they're they're not cool. The new ones are amazing, amazing,

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Speaker 1: Go to six Flags, Go about Batman. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like all comes back to Iowa. That all it comes

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Speaker 1: back to Iowa. Do you have any think you have

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Speaker 1: anything to add to this this segment? I mean Dan

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Speaker 1: came up with it. Jason, go ahead, I thought you

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Speaker 1: think a little nap.

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Speaker 5: Doug is sammed up the entire segment by sorry three

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Speaker 5: topics already.

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Speaker 3: There's so much, there's so much talking about we're good.

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Speaker 3: It's okay to sam it up. It's all good.

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Speaker 5: When we came up with the concept for this for

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Speaker 5: a Tuesday morning quarterback, it's not just the teams that

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Speaker 5: we didn't get to yesterday. It also could be an

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Speaker 5: angle on a story we did cover, but just didn't

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Speaker 5: cover this angle. I don't know if you guys noticed

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Speaker 5: the end of the Eagles Rams game, but something truly

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Speaker 5: badass happened. You guys are familiar with the word stoic, Yes,

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Speaker 5: very composed. It's it's something that is undervalued, especially in

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Speaker 5: our business behind the scenes. I want you composed. I

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Speaker 5: want you to be a I want you to be

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Speaker 5: someone who is stoic, who when the bullets are flying,

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Speaker 5: you're not running for the doors. I want I love that,

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Speaker 5: and Jalen Hurts is all of that. So the Rams

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Speaker 5: are kicking a field goal to win the game. The

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Speaker 5: Eagles block the kick famously, and the dumb special teamer

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Speaker 5: picks up and starts running to the end zone. The

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Speaker 5: entire Eagles sideline is going crazy. Jalen Hurts has his

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Speaker 5: arms crossed in front of him with a stoic look

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Speaker 5: on his face, not reacting at all. Then he just

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Speaker 5: walks to the middle of the field to shake the

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Speaker 5: quarterback's hand. It reminds me of something we talked about recently.

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Speaker 5: Remember when Tom Brady went on the podcast and he

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Speaker 5: talked about how he wants his quarterbacks to react after

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Speaker 5: touchdowns go ahead.

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Speaker 6: That's what I look for all the time when a

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks throws the touchdown pass. I actually watched to see

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Speaker 6: who he goes and celebrates with, because what did I do?

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Speaker 6: I looked for my offensive lineman every time I went

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Speaker 6: down and celebrated in the end zone with my teammates,

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Speaker 6: every time, I wanted everyone to feel like they were

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Speaker 6: part of the success. Told the lineman, we're all running

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Speaker 6: to the end zone and we're celebrating as a team,

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Speaker 6: because I think that's way more intimidating than a quarterback

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Speaker 6: doing his six shooter guns and pointing up in the

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Speaker 6: crowd and doing all that other bitch. That's very self promotional,

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Speaker 6: but it's not about winning, and I think winning in

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Speaker 6: football is about a team always a team attitude.

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Speaker 5: First, I thought that Tom Brady in this moment forgot

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Speaker 5: the third and coolest thing, which is a quarterback throws

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Speaker 5: a touchdown and he just runs off the field. That's

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Speaker 5: a badass move. And Jay, when Hurt's doing what he

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Speaker 5: did on Sunday was a badass move. We just got

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Speaker 5: away with a game onto the next game. No need

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Speaker 5: to over celebrate like a bunch of five year olds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his reaction was so minimal it was almost alarming

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Speaker 3: how little he reacted.

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Speaker 1: He was just like the Jay Wright winning the National

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Speaker 1: champions Just boom.

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Speaker 5: Larry Bird and Brenchan Miller hit that shot back in

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Speaker 5: the late nineties. Remember Larry Bird just sat there and

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Speaker 5: stared at him.

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Speaker 1: Larry, Larry legend.

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Speaker 3: It's working out for Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: Dan, you got more, Daniel?

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Speaker 4: I think it's the Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: in February, so he understands that that's the big win.

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Speaker 4: That's where you celebrate in smile. This was a this

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Speaker 4: was a business transaction. They've completed, the deal finalized.

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Speaker 1: That he's the Billy d of the NFL. He's just

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Speaker 1: kind of cool. It's kind of cool, kind of yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Billy d D any more? Dan, you want

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Speaker 1: to you want to get any more?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys are alarmed at seeing this,

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Speaker 3: this amount of backup quarterbacks at this point in the NFL. Already.

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Speaker 3: Let me rattle off some names. Toad Taylor, mac Jones,

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Speaker 3: Jake Browning, Marcus Mariota, Carson Wentz. They all stepped in

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Speaker 3: for injured starters. A couple of big money, big money

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks like Brock Purty and Joe Burrow. I'm a little

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Speaker 3: alarmed because didn't we set a record like last year

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Speaker 3: or two years ago for the number of quarterback Two

549
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Speaker 3: years ago was like sixty, it was like fifty five.

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Speaker 3: I was sixty seven. It was ridiculous, and we've already

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Speaker 3: I just feel like we're you know, as they say,

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Speaker 3: your best ability is your availability. And I'm a little worried.

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Speaker 3: Why are all these injuries happening? You know, it's all

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Speaker 3: you can explain it on a case by case basis,

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Speaker 3: But we're seeing more backups than I think we'd like to,

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Speaker 3: and I'm I'm sure it brings down the quality of

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Speaker 3: the game. So I'm just a little alarmed by how

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Speaker 3: many injuries have taken place at the quarterback position. And

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Speaker 3: I hope it's not a trend that continues for us

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Speaker 3: this season.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, like I know, Jay stew you are

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Speaker 1: pretty set in on your on your thought that this

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Speaker 1: is was it Zuopa right? Last year, the NFL was

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Speaker 1: so poorly played that it was living on its previous albums,

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Speaker 1: not on the current album. Like you two at the

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Speaker 1: Zeropa tier Tour. I think the quality plays and some

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Speaker 1: level been really good.

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Speaker 3: Very entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Lastnight was a good, good level football. It was good.

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Speaker 1: And the tackling from the Lions. Also the pursuit tackling,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's one of those things that the guys

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Speaker 1: that Lamar does go by, they come back and get

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Speaker 1: they come back and grab his legs while he's about

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Speaker 1: to make a move the other way. But I think

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Speaker 1: that the level of play and a lot of these

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Speaker 1: standalone games, maybe more than the Sunday games, has been good.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously the finish is Saturday. We said this yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but it was that early window when you went back

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Speaker 1: to back to back with crazy finishes, right. It was

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Speaker 1: with the Browns party oh yeah, Brownspackers, and you had

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Speaker 1: the Rams Eagles, and then you had the comeback with

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. Buccaneers late drive. All in the early window

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Speaker 1: was pretty awesome. Good weekend. That's Tuesday morning quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: so we'll we'll, we'll, well, we'll take you behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: So that means we have not developed an outro for

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Speaker 1: the for We only have an intro for it.

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Speaker 5: Sam, I'm just gonna I'm gonna have Bob do another outro,

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Speaker 5: and it's gonna be called That's Doug's take on Bryce

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Speaker 5: Young becoming Bryce Old.

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. By what do you think? You're always a

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Speaker 1: neutral bystander. You're also a huge college football fan. You know,

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Speaker 1: I process emotions and I'm not gonna say Mike gund

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Speaker 1: and I are besties. He usually comes on once a

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Speaker 1: year when I'm personally super nice to me, but we're

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Speaker 1: not like constantly changing text messages, Christmas cards, whatever. I

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Speaker 1: just I've never understood this. I got to fire a

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Speaker 1: guy right now because I'm mad because we lost a

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Speaker 1: game that I didn't think we should lose or not

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Speaker 1: as good as we're supposed to be. Instead of going like, okay,

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Speaker 1: like what's the right thing to do by all people,

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Speaker 1: this is not It's that's my take.

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Speaker 4: I agree, and I think that even from whether it

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Speaker 4: be from you know, five feet away or five hundred

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Speaker 4: miles away, it is a bad move because I think

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Speaker 4: that the outside perspective of Oklahoma State is twofold. So

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Speaker 4: you see Gundhy being fired there, four year starter at quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned all time winning as coach, and it's not

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Speaker 4: even close. I mean, in being there twenty years, one

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy wins, second place is sixty two. So

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Speaker 4: if there's anybody that's Oklahoma State, it's Mike Gundy. And

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Speaker 4: if you're a coach and you go there and you say, well,

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Speaker 4: if I don't get things going, what are they going

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Speaker 4: to do to me? So that turns I think could

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Speaker 4: turn candidates off at one point. The other point is

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Speaker 4: I think from a national perspective of his for the

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Speaker 4: coaches that we know and that stand out at Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: State outside of Mike Gundy. There's two of them, Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Johnson and Less Miles. And those coaches used Oklahoma State

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Speaker 4: as a stepping stone springboard. Yeah, yeah, it was not Mike.

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Speaker 4: That was not Mike Gundy's deal. This was his destination.

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Speaker 4: This was his destiny. If you will so to move

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Speaker 4: off of Gundhy in this fashion. The next coach you're

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Speaker 4: going to get is probably going to use you as

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Speaker 4: a springboard. As you say, I say say stepping stone.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I think is lost on it from

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Speaker 4: the outside looking in. It's to be careful what you

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Speaker 4: wish for. Thing with Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I listen, and it's a lesson. I also

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Speaker 1: thinks there's an expression in coaching. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you has ever heard this. Every year you coach somewhere,

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Speaker 1: you make an enemy, right, and you coach somewhere long enough,

644
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: twenty one years, you make twenty one enemies. Eventually they'll

645
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: get you. Now, look, if he's winning game, you go

646
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: back to last year, this time the beat Arkansas, they're undefeated,

647
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: the rank fourteenth from the country. There were those enemies

648
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: were silent, were silent, But you start losing and they

649
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: get loud, they get really loud. Again, I continue to

650
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: reiterate as my Gundy that Oklahoma state head coach has

651
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: lost his job today. He was fired was It ain't

652
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: about hiring firing a head coach. It's about doing things

653
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: the right way. And then you compounded by the fact

654
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: that he's an alum. He was a great quarterback in

655
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Speaker 1: one of the few great eras in Oklahoma state history,

656
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Speaker 1: and he had been successful for nineteen consecutive years. After

657
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: his first year, by the way, when he took over

658
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: the job from Less Miles, he ran like nine guys

659
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: off because he wanted quality character guys right, So he

660
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: kind of sacrificed his first year to build it what

661
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: he thought was the right way. And again, it's not

662
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: about firing a coach, it's about why are we firing

663
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: them three games in the season. Let's ask John middlecoffee.

664
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Speaker 1: He joins us now on the Dug The Show on

665
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Fox Sports. Right, do you want to get to NFL

666
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: football Ravens defense? What's going on? Why they keep coming

667
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: up short in the fourth quarter and second But first,

668
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: just your reaction. Mike Gundy out of a job again

669
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: from fifteen hundred miles away. How's that feel?

670
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say you could kind of see the writing

671
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 7: on the wall. Obviously last year going three and nine.

672
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 7: You know, I always struggle, like you said, three games in,

673
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 7: just get the divorce last offseason, right, why even do this?

674
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 8: And I know it's difficult.

675
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 7: Because, like you said, alumni, you know, I think sometimes

676
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 7: I think you're seeing it. It's a little bit different

677
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 7: because they just made the playoffs last year, But it's

678
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 7: hard to be in a place this long in the

679
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 7: Internet era, with the negativity that surrounds programs, and I

680
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 7: think you're seeing it with Dabo, and I wonder, you know,

681
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 7: there was a loyalty and I think clearly there's a

682
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 7: loyalty with Dabo and Clemson. But like if I could

683
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 7: recommend itaging to Dabo, I'd be like, hey, you got

684
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 7: this negativity, got people already kind of coming for you.

685
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 7: If you get the opportunity to take the forward a job,

686
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 7: like sometimes in your profession, just needs to reset. And

687
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago, you know Dundee and it

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 7: was a tough decision turned down Tennessee, right who And

689
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 7: you know this.

690
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Speaker 1: Way back, I guarantee that's what he's seeing today should

691
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: have taken.

692
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 7: Tennessee well like in this era with t Moon gone. Yeah, right,

693
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 7: can you imagine Oklahoma State in twenty thirteen in this era, right,

694
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 7: they would have been much They would have been like

695
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 7: Texas Tech. But nowadays it doesn't feel like they regress.

696
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Speaker 8: In terms of that.

697
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 7: So it's like, is it my first thought that yeah,

698
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 7: is it a good job?

699
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Speaker 8: Because my first thought.

700
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Speaker 1: Was no, I honestly think you just hit a home run. John,

701
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: I had my brother told me that the same thing.

702
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, the guy at Kansas State was

703
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: a great coach in FBS, and he did a great

704
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: job his first couple of years. You know, Dabo Sweeney

705
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: was an unbelievable coach at Clemson and Mike Gundy, now, right,

706
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: is an unbelievable job. What happened to what happened? How

707
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: to Texas Tech suddenly become the best team in the

708
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Big twelve because they got a billionaire funding it. It's

709
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: really not that hard. It's not that hard look at

710
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: and it takes you, and it takes you a couple

711
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: of years to kind of figure it out the portal

712
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. And this is their first

713
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: year going on in the portal. Right, so it's you

714
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: have more money than other people, you're gonna put a

715
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: better team out there, and every perfect.

716
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 7: Last week text the Tech against Utah these you know

717
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 7: they got first rounders of offensive line. Texas Deck even

718
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 7: their best team offense couldn't stop the soal. Well because

719
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 7: they could never ever get a recruit to come there.

720
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 7: They didn't even waste time talking to them because they

721
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 7: nowadays like, you want NFL recruits, Well this is what

722
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 7: we're offering. Boom will offer you.

723
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Speaker 8: More you come here.

724
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 7: And Texas Tech got good and obviously I think Joey.

725
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 8: MacGuire is pretty good too.

726
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would not be good if Brushon wasn't good,

727
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 7: if you gave Oklahoma States. So it's this is this

728
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 7: is the money game. It's kind of become. You know,

729
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 7: college basketball was like because the shoe contract stuff pre nil,

730
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 7: but now football is basically the same thing that if

731
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 7: you don't have the elite money, you got no shots.

732
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Speaker 1: Correct, correct, You gotta get really really lucky, and then

733
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out how you gotta stay healthy.

734
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Speaker 7: Right do you think he retired Mike, Yeah, well I don't.

735
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Know, might do TV. He's got a lot of money,

736
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: kids are out of the house, got a gigantic house

737
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: to sell, and on how that sells. It's been on

738
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the market for over a year. I don't know. Is

739
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: the part of me the things he goes does again? Maybe,

740
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: but he has a lot of money and he's got

741
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: I think he's actually got a cement business. I don't know.

742
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: He's different, dude, I got a question for you then.

743
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear he's got to be on TV.

744
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: How good would you be on TV?

745
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 8: Oh? Well, he's hiring yesterday or Fox? I mean, he'll

746
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 8: be fine.

747
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 7: Why would his house be for sale?

748
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 8: Is this something he sees coming? Then?

749
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: No? Uh no, his kids raw out of the house.

750
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: It's a huge house with like a menagerie of and

751
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: animals and stuff. I just think it was a lot

752
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Speaker 1: to maintain, to be honest with.

753
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 7: Yeah.

754
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they all have these gigantic houses when they have

755
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: their kids and they have everybody over whatever, and then

756
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: I think their wives are like, dude, this is stupid, Like,

757
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't want this house?

758
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 8: Oh wait, our landscaping bill is eight thousand dollars.

759
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: What do we do? Yeah? What are we? What are

760
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: we actually doing? John Mindlkoff's our guest here on the

761
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlip Show. Enough College. Okay, so there's a bunch

762
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Speaker 1: of things last night with the Lions beating the Ravens.

763
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: The first thing is, was Derrick Henry fumble prone?

764
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 7: Before I thought that yesterday he had three total fumbles

765
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 7: in all of twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four,

766
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 7: it was like almost six hundred and fifty carries and

767
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 7: he has three this year and whatever fifty carries.

768
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Speaker 8: So the answer is no.

769
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 7: And clearly, you know it's one of those things. You know,

770
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 7: you could say one individual fumble even if it's you know,

771
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 7: bad ball security is a freak play.

772
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 8: Once this happened a couple of times.

773
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 7: Clearly it's in his head and he got he got

774
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Speaker 7: lucky when he slammed his helmet on kind of that

775
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 7: plastic bench that during the winter gives heat. He didn't

776
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 7: have a horrific fall. I mean, he got like you

777
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 7: gotta fell on that bench, But clearly he's he's pretty

778
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 7: worked up over it, and let's face the heat. You know,

779
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 7: they kind of corralled him. You removed the one twenty

780
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 7: eight yard run. He had twenty two yards in all

781
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 7: of his other carries. So if you corral a guy

782
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 7: like him to ten or eleven carries for twenty ish yards,

783
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 7: you're doing a pretty good job.

784
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 8: And after that big run, he did nothing.

785
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 7: The other thing with him, obviously the Hall of Fame guy,

786
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 7: he's actually more potent from like the forty yard line

787
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: than he has the goal line because he's so easy

788
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 7: to tackle, you know, in a short yard of situation.

789
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 7: You saw yesterday a couple of times he got cut

790
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 7: off immediately where in the open field, he's not the

791
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 7: most elusive guy, but he has great feet and hen

792
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 7: gets you angled with a speed. But he's not a

793
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 7: great goal line back like you know Montgomery would be

794
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 7: because of size and leverage.

795
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Speaker 1: Did you see Lamar get tackled when he tried to

796
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: shake the linebacker from the Lions? And I was like, yeah,

797
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen that happen before.

798
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: Right where it is like, wait, has Lamar Jackson become

799
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: a human being because he was a superhero before today?

800
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Speaker 8: You know what happens?

801
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 7: I think it happens in basketball sometimes, especially in college

802
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 7: when you like run and he used to happen for everyone.

803
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 7: The zone defense they like would really throw people off.

804
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 7: He's not used to these guys not springing up the field.

805
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 7: They would all take a couple of steps and like

806
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 7: five of them would have be in different spots where

807
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 7: he scrambled around. If the guy wasn't open immediately, they

808
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 7: would be a couple of yards away from Usually these

809
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 7: defensive linemen and it happens to Kyler, Murray, Josh Allen.

810
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 8: This the natural pass rush fly up the field.

811
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Speaker 7: Well, these guys are so athletic, and especially if you're

812
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 7: in man defense, all your defensive backs are looking at

813
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 7: the wide receivers and he can just take off for ten, fifteen,

814
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 7: twenty yards. Last night they were just stopping and clearly

815
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 7: they have athletic defensive linemen, but definitely have athletic linebackers.

816
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 7: Did I think there was just a guy every four

817
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 7: or five yards and you got to get the line

818
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 7: of credit. They tackled well in space, and they got

819
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 7: him a lot.

820
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 8: In his legs.

821
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 7: Sometimes those guys die for Lamar and they missed. It

822
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 7: felt like every time they died and got his ankles

823
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 7: like he was going down. I'm with da, I've never

824
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Speaker 7: seen that. I don't think it's going to be a

825
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 7: theme but I would imagine Spagnola this week, in the

826
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: best one to two matchup you'll ever see, is going

827
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Speaker 7: to try to do that because they exploded him down

828
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 7: before and all of a sudden, we could be looking

829
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Speaker 7: up and the Ravens are one and three.

830
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 8: But here's the thing.

831
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 7: Does They're missing Matabuke, who's an unreal d tackle and

832
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 7: Van Noy who they hired off basically McAfee show, who

833
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 7: turned back into a pro bowler. Those two guys missing,

834
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 7: the Ravens looked unraven like, and Dan Campbell in that unit,

835
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 7: they leaned on them all night long and kind of

836
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 7: embarrassed them that you rarely see the Ravens get shut like. Offensively,

837
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 7: they have some off games. They still stored I mean

838
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 7: a lucky thirty points, but they were in the mid

839
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 7: twenty right even without.

840
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 8: The last touchdowns.

841
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: But the defense just I mean, you could remove the

842
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 7: seventy yard run and they got one hundred and fifty

843
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 7: yards and ran on them when you know the runs

844
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 7: are coming. So that's I think the Ravens defensively they

845
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 7: started slow last year too, but losing these two front

846
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 7: guys has a huge impact on their physicality.

847
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is no longer the starting quarterback of the

848
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: New York Giants, right, And I know we can talk

849
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: about Jackson Dart and our expectations of Jackson Dart, but

850
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I want to take it just a second. That's the

851
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: last he'll be a starting quarterback. He may start a

852
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: game at some point in time the season, maybe not,

853
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: but like that's it, right, I mean, this is what

854
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: four teams in six years, and yeah, I just this,

855
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: this was he he couldn't do it with the Steelers

856
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: didn't want him, Giants don't want them, Broncos didn't want them,

857
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: Seahawks were done with him. Like this is a weird

858
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: end to a Hall of Fame caliber career where if

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Speaker 1: he comes back, he'll have to be a backup that

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Speaker 1: could occasionally spot start and you know, hope somebody you know,

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Speaker 1: or do the Flaco maybe maybe you get you know,

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Speaker 1: a team a on a down year, but otherwise, like

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Speaker 1: if he chooses to stay in the game, he probably

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Speaker 1: goes to TV. He's gonna be a backup, correct.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I would say he wouldn't be even

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Speaker 7: backup caliber because he's so famous and he got to

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Speaker 7: that kind of tipping point where he's almost too big

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Speaker 7: of a star to be a backup quarterback. It does

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Speaker 7: feel like it's quieted a little bit. You know, it's

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Speaker 7: been pretty seamless. Now. Last year he went the reverse right,

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Speaker 7: he was injured and didn't start early and then started

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Speaker 7: at the end, and then it kind of got weird

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Speaker 7: at the end. But this year, we'll see how he

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Speaker 7: handles this situation, because there's still a point that if

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Speaker 7: it gets weird, if some stuff get the leaked, you

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Speaker 7: could argue if he's not going to be your starting quarterback,

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Speaker 7: he's then untouchable.

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Speaker 8: It's just not worth it.

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Speaker 7: Now if I say that, I would have said that

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Speaker 7: about Carson Wentz and look at him six for eight years,

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Speaker 7: starting for six different teams, so you never know. But

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Speaker 7: obviously Russell's way more famous than Carson Wentz, so yeah,

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Speaker 7: I would tend to lean not only did his starting

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Speaker 7: career is definitely over. I think in his spot, like

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Speaker 7: who is you know? Who who wants him? Right? Would

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Speaker 7: you want him around your young quarterback? I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Typically teams like like case Keenum, you know, they like

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Speaker 7: their backup to actually be not very famous, right, used

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Speaker 7: to that role and then who you know like a

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Speaker 7: Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes Like, I don't think you do

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Speaker 7: that either, Like, where does he where does he fit

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Speaker 7: in the hierarchy of the way the league works. We

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Speaker 7: have a lot of veteran quarterbacks now that start and

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Speaker 7: then that group of young guys, which I don't really

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Speaker 7: know if he fits in that loop. So you could

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Speaker 7: argue it could just be this offseason. Would you be

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Speaker 7: stunned if we're going like midway through training camp and

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Speaker 7: he doesn't have a home.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I think he does TV, that's my guess.

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Speaker 7: But he's terrible, Like, well he doesn't say anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he's awful, Jay stew I don't know

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Speaker 1: that was on air in my aria's awful. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: lots of guys on TV that are awful. Won a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. It's a good looking guy, his wife's famous. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's all these networks. They're hiring a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: If we if we want to play the game of

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Speaker 1: who's really good, there's plenty of guys that say nothing

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Speaker 1: that are on TV. Because he's a Hall of Fame quarterback.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you just throw him on a studio show. He's famous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, and he can say he can say smart things.

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Speaker 1: He just never He's just tried to always, always, you know,

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Speaker 1: playkate people with his opinions. So that's fine.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's someone hit me up and they're like,

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Speaker 7: you know, we we have this debate a lot, right,

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Speaker 7: It's Stafford a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 8: And you go back and forth.

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Speaker 7: And I like my hall of Fame to be like

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Speaker 7: pretty elite.

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Speaker 8: Group of guys, likes the Mannings, the Brady.

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Speaker 7: But let's just say, like obviously, once we start talking

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Speaker 7: about the next tier of guys, Russell Wilson's a way

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Speaker 7: more accomplished player over the course of his career in

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Speaker 7: terms of Pro Bowls, in terms of just winning than

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Speaker 7: than Stafford was. And I I think you know, these

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Speaker 7: debates because if you just have most people that think

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Speaker 7: of the end of his career is so bad, people

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Speaker 7: forget how awesome he was in his prime and he

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Speaker 7: was a pretty special player there for like five six years.

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Speaker 7: But the ending is, man, I mean, you talked.

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Speaker 8: About him sip of his drop off.

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Speaker 7: It's it's pretty ugly ending.

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Speaker 1: Uh Well, we started with an ugly ending, we end

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Speaker 1: with an ugly ending. But he's not an ugly ending.

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Speaker 1: He's John Mindlcoff. The volume is where you can find

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Speaker 1: his three and out podcast, You're the Best, Johnny, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. We really appreciate it.