1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Orla Latino Usa listener Gomostas. Today, we're going to bring 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: you an episode of a new podcast series by our 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: friends over at Radio Diaries. It's called The Unmarked Graveyard 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: and it's a collection of stories that want to put 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: a name and a human face on a place known 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: as Heart Island. It's a burial ground in New York 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: City where more than a million people have been buried 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: without headstones or plaques, people like Angel Garcia, a New 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Yurekan from the Bronx. In this episode, we're going to 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: meet Annette Vega, who looked for her biological father Angel 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: for more than thirty years. Through her search, a Nette 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: discovered a whole new family Athia. Several cousins even have siblings. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: None of them had heard from Angels since the late 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, and finally she found Angel in his resting 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: place at Heart Island. Here's the story of Angel Carcia. 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's the island. It's crazy. There's not 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: a lot of land for that many people to be buried. 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 2: At first, I thought it was eerie, but it's kind 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: of pretty because the fog just like erases the city. 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: It's just so beautiful. It's nicer than I thought. My 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: name is Annette Vega. I'm a registered nurse and I'm 22 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: fifty three years old. I grew up in the Bronx. 23 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: I lived with two of my younger sisters and my 24 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: mom and my dad. Dad was always working. He was 25 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: an electrician for Local three, and he was always the 26 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: strong guy, and a lot of the neighborhood teenagers looked 27 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: up to him. Not everybody had their dad and their life, 28 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: you know, looking back, it was a great childhood. So 29 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: when I was about seven or eight, I found out 30 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: that my dad wasn't my biological father. That's the first 31 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: time I came to know that there was someone else 32 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: out there. This is a picture of my biological father, 33 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: Angel Garcia. He looks like he's in his thirties, and 34 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: he has a long mustache and a da here that's 35 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: kind of brushed back. And I'm like, who was this person? 36 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: Why hasn't he been in my life? Could he be 37 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: looking for me? I just felt a persistent urge to 38 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: find out. Hello, hey, mom, Ayanet, So did you win 39 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: a bingo yesterday? 40 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: I won seventy five dollars yesterday and three hundred and 41 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: seventy something on Tuesday. Wow, I wish there was a 42 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: Bengo today. 43 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask you some questions. If you 44 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: don't mind, yeah, go ahead, Okay. The questions are related 45 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: to Angel Garcia, who's my biological father. No kidding, no 46 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: kidd all right, mother, So what do you remember about him? 47 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: He was very sweet, He was good to be. He 48 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: knew he was good looking, and he was sure of himself. 49 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: And who knows. He had this cologne. Oh my god, 50 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: it was the best cologne ever. You like that cologne 51 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: in minor. 52 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: And I My mom had me at sixteen. I was 53 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: a mistake, not a mistake, but you know I wasn't 54 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: a planned pregnancy. You know. She was a teenager growing 55 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: up in the Bronx and there was a young man 56 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: everyone called him Macho. You know. They had a little 57 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: summer romance. He'd be working in the auto body shop 58 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: and she'd go home happily with grease on her backside 59 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: of her shorts. And I'm like mom. 60 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: He talked about where his family came from, he talked 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: about the future when he got married, and he was 62 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 3: a charble. Let me tell. 63 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: Where there things about me that remind you of him? 64 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: I think you looked like him a lot. 65 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: You had green eyes, green eyes. 66 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: You had very green eyes like he did. 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: Remember my Mount to Carlo, my sixth cylinder that I 68 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: would be driving fast and you'd be like, oh, you 69 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: remind me of your father, And I'm. 70 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, cause he used to love to drive. 71 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: She used to steal car and I think he used 72 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: to steal cause just for the fun of it. Wow, 73 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: he was a bad boy, So I guess maybe I 74 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: was into bad boys. Who knows, aren't we all? 75 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: Do you remember the last time you guys saw each other. 76 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: I've seen him after I gave birth to you. We 77 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: hooked up again, and then he used to pick you 78 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: up and talk to you, and we used to go 79 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: and car ride with you and everything like that. 80 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: When's the last time you spoke to him? What was 81 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: that conversation? Like? 82 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: All I remember was I was insulting him. 83 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 2: You were insulting him if I want. 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: I told him that he was not your father, that 85 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: he was only a father because he made you, but 86 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: not because he raised you or supported you. I knew 87 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: that that would hit him hard. And then he disappeared 88 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: one day and I went to his job and they 89 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: told me, know that there was another woman looking for 90 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: him and all that. So I never went back and 91 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: I never looked for him again. 92 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: I remember my mom telling me he was kind of 93 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: a tough guy, and she thought that he was in 94 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: a gang. 95 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 4: The South Bronx one of New York City is roughest 96 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: neighborhoods and since the mid sixties, home to an outlaw 97 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 4: motorcycle gang who called themselves the Chinga Links. 98 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: I remember hearing about the ching Lings. They were notorious 99 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: motorcycle gang that people were fearful of. I thought he 100 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: might be with them. 101 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: So what does it mean to be a China Ling? 102 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: The relinear we got, it's a Chingling religion. That's the 103 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 4: only religion we have. 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: I had a bike's party hang out. 105 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: This is like a family thing. 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 2: So I literally walked up to the chin Lings house 107 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: in the it's like painted in black and you know, 108 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: motorcycles all around. And guy comes out looking rough. He 109 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: comes over, he talks to me and I tell him 110 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: I'm trying to find my father. They call him my shoe. 111 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: Hees green eyes. Oh, I haven't seen that dude in years. 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: Another woman comes out and she's, you know, out on 113 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: the stoop, having a cigarette and she goes I remember him. 114 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: I remember one night we were partying really hard. I 115 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: got so messed up, and he helped carry me upstairs 116 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: to the bedroom. That man could have done anything to me, 117 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: and he put me in the bed and put a 118 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: blanket on me and left. Nice guy. They wished me luck, 119 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: they said, ope, you find them. I felt kind of 120 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: silly looking for so long without a real reason as 121 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: to why I was looking for him. I didn't need 122 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: him to be my father, but I still really wanted 123 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: to find him. There were thousands of questions, where's his family? 124 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: Do I have brothers, Do I have sisters? Do I 125 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: have a grandmother? Do I have aunt? Where's his people? 126 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: It was late January. I got a message from someone 127 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: on ancestry who gave me names. I used the White Pages, 128 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: I used Facebook, and I sent the messages. That evening 129 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: my phone rings. I hear this woman crying emotional missa, missabina. 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: Don do diempo, don gando All this time, my niece, 131 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: I've been looking for you. I was like, you have 132 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: you know about me? Why high D's young? 133 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: I think you don't want joke. 134 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: So I'm here. I arrived at my Tity's house. My Tity, Miriam, 135 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: my father's sister. It's a really pretty home. 136 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 5: Oh, my name is Medium, Medium Gasia. 137 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 4: My brother is Angiel. 138 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: Angel is your brother. He was younger than you or 139 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: older than you and her younger brother. He only went 140 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: to sixth grade. But there was something about him that 141 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: he could just pick up things, like he learned how 142 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: to work on cars. He can take a car that 143 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: was destroyed and make it look like new. Angel was 144 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: a good man, but he had a really really hard life. 145 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: What is that you saying. There was issues in the 146 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: home growing up because their father was an alcoholic, and 147 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: my father went to the streets and he started using drugs. 148 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: At the age of thirteen, he was arrested and in 149 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: prison from selling drugs. 150 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 5: They don't see. 151 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: But it wasn't like a traditional prison. It was like 152 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: a camp. 153 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, ok. 154 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: So, she said. In nineteen eighty five or eighty six, 155 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: police came to the house to tell them that he 156 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: escaped sire from They don't know how he did it, 157 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: and I didn't know what you're done. Someone had to 158 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: help them, Mirah. She said she received the phone call 159 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: from him in the summer of nineteen eighty nine, that 160 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: he was very sick with pneumonia and he wanted to. 161 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 5: Come home call me a Posso they put. 162 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: Her and her husband went to New York and they 163 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: walked through the streets looking for him. I don't know better, 164 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: but she never heard from him again. Justin't seen him 165 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: in thirty years. She said, I don't think he's alive. Okay, 166 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 2: So this is what I find out. I received. Then 167 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 2: all tap say report and I actually have it with me, 168 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: and it says Angel Garcia died August third, nineteen eighty nine, 169 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: at eleven pm, thirty seven years old, immediate cause of 170 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: death pneumonia due to AIDS as a consequence of chronic 171 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: intravenous narcoticism IVY drug abuser. It says he was buried 172 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: in a place called Heart Island. People are buried there, 173 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: people with no idea on them, people who haven't been claimed. 174 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: And then I spoke to Titi Merim. We went through 175 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: it together and she put it down and she said, 176 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: this is him. You found your father, all right? What's that? 177 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,599 Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm standing here with my brother like 178 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: it's mother, Like he's so cute. I'm like God, it's 179 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: so nice. So I found out that I had a 180 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: brother named Angel. I've never met him. He also didn't 181 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: know where our father was. 182 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 5: She reached out to me and wrote me a letter 183 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 5: telling me she was my sister. I was incarcerated. I 184 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 5: was incarcerated. So at first I was like, what what 185 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: the hell was going on here? She went into detail 186 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: telling me who she is and how she went about 187 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 5: finding me. So research paid off. 188 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: I know I should be a private investigators. Yes, now 189 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: we're gonna go see our father where he was buried. 190 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 5: It's weird, like nobody knew where he was at all 191 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 5: these years. 192 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: Flocked to a boy three right there, to a one 193 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: grave twenty seven. So this is the plot where Angel 194 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: was buried our dad. 195 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 5: Wow, I was always the biggest fan, like rooting for him. Yeah, 196 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 5: I must have been like seven years old. And we 197 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 5: went to the prison to visit, and he took us 198 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 5: from the visiting room to like the dormitory. He introduced 199 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 5: us all the dudes that was locked up with him 200 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: or his friends or whatever. He gave me like a 201 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 5: boat made out of like wood, and and that's the 202 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 5: last time I seen him. Well, now I know where 203 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: he's brother. 204 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: The people that loved my father, whether its my brother, 205 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: my aunt, my cousins, everyone talks about how he was 206 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: such a good guy. I think they were afraid to 207 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: tell me the bad stuff, whether it's being in a 208 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: gang or being in prison, being an IVY drug abuser. 209 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: You know, Angel was not an angel, but it's who 210 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: he is. I mean, it's not a complete story without 211 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: all of it. I'm putting flowers here at his grave, 212 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: just planting. I'm marking because he's here, he's not lost. 213 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: I'm happy to see where he lays and too like 214 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 5: tell him like hell and I found you, She found 215 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: us and we're here and now we know who you are. 216 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: And the tact there's nothing, there's nothing anything,