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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks. It is Tuesday, October seventh. Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift is happy and apparently horny. Welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. I didn't that's not me. That

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Speaker 1: is not me. I am relaying what I had no

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Speaker 1: idea this was going on, this conversation around Taylor swift album,

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Speaker 1: So Heart, what did I miss? Am I not in

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Speaker 1: tune enough to pop culture? I thought she's had a

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Speaker 1: record setting album and we're going about our business.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that can all be true. At the

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Speaker 2: same time, I think look, right away, people were writing

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Speaker 2: about how this was a departure, not from the way

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Speaker 2: it sounds the music necessarily, but certainly the subject matter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's often talked about breakups and heartbreak and

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Speaker 2: all of that. Now she's in love and apparently she's

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Speaker 2: having amazing sex because there is and I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: this for some fairly adult themes in her music, where

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Speaker 2: you know, typically she was you know, selling to a

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Speaker 2: younger audience. She started when she was a teenager, but

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Speaker 2: we have to remember she is thirty five years.

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Speaker 1: Old now, Yeah, very grown woman.

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Speaker 2: So she's fully capable of talking about and writing about

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Speaker 2: and singing about sex. But it just is a little

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Speaker 2: It threw me a little bit when I read some

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Speaker 2: of the lyrics.

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Speaker 1: I guess her fans are. Is that what we were

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Speaker 1: dealing with here, So let's start with that Life of

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Speaker 1: a Show Girl came out last Friday to record numbers

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Speaker 1: over the two point seven first day, one day, one day,

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Speaker 1: so it beat her own week of sales record with

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Speaker 1: two point seven in the first day. That's just astronomical.

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Speaker 1: And then her movie was number one at the box

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Speaker 1: office over the weekend. Everything is cooking for this young

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Speaker 1: lady when it comes to her music. I am not

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Speaker 1: used to robes and this threw me. She's almost certainly

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Speaker 1: critic proof, but she has made I guess she doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of projects that not a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are bold enough to go after her and to

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Speaker 1: go after her music, to go after her lyrics, and

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Speaker 1: I have never seen it. I'm not the biggest Swift follower,

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Speaker 1: but there is a different tone to what I'm seeing,

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Speaker 1: or I guess more in the masses of what I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing about her music.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you think what you're saying is basically there are

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Speaker 2: media outlets, magazines, and even a lot of folks on

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Speaker 2: social media daring to criticize her work, daring to criticize

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Speaker 2: her lyrics, and that is not something we're used to

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Speaker 2: seeing or hearing.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Something just feels a little.

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Speaker 1: People feel a little more emboldened, or maybe they're going

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Speaker 1: after her art and her life differently now and we

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Speaker 1: can get into the possibility of why this is a

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Speaker 1: young woman, this is period, point blank. I don't give

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Speaker 1: a damn really one way or another, if she ever

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Speaker 1: put out another album. I am a fan of hers,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily her music. It's not my lane. I respect it,

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Speaker 1: but it's just I don't put on Taylor Swift's music.

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Speaker 1: I've seen her in concert one of the best things

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 2: I love her music, so I run to her music

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Speaker 2: and have obviously because of just our relationship at ABC News,

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Speaker 2: got to meet her several times. She was kind to

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Speaker 2: my daughters. She will always be a superstar to me.

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Speaker 1: So if she has taken a turn and produced an

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Speaker 1: album that's different from the rest, talking about things that

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Speaker 1: are different from the rest, and if that has been

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Speaker 1: fed by her personal life and this woman being happy

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Speaker 1: that I'm saying this is the best album of her life.

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Speaker 1: I love if this is what she produces when she

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Speaker 1: is happy. Girl, do you think?

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Speaker 2: Look she she writes, she writes her songs, and she

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Speaker 2: obviously famously writes about the ups and downs of her

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Speaker 2: love life. And now she is on a upward trajectory,

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Speaker 2: and she's writing about the good sex. She's writing about

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Speaker 2: the great relationships. She's writing about being engaged. She's writing

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Speaker 2: about maybe even an ex girlfriend of Travis, maybe a

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Speaker 2: who's a fellow singer who they both were dating, someone

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Speaker 2: being a little edgier than she's been before.

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Speaker 1: You okay with that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course. I mean if you can't stay in

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Speaker 2: talking about it's a love story, you know. No, it's

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Speaker 2: she's obviously gone through some shit and she's writing about it,

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Speaker 2: and she's singing about it.

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Speaker 1: Dang it. Can can you think of one who successfully

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Speaker 1: with somebody? Obviously we're gonna miss that made that transition

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Speaker 1: and their fans grew up with them that they went

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Speaker 1: from kind of a teeny bopper thing. But you know,

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Speaker 1: what Justin Bieber's is not a bad example.

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Speaker 2: That's a great example. I was actually thinking of Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about someone who you know, started singing

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Speaker 2: was able to Yeah, grow the lyrics grew with them.

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Speaker 1: Who else are we missing as guy's gotta be something.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, to think about that, Okay, her maybe did

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Speaker 1: her evolution come a little later? Did her the maturity

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Speaker 1: or a grit or a I don't know, a ruggedness

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Speaker 1: to her lyrics about adulthood not come until she's thirty five.

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Speaker 1: I am not familiar enough with her music just be

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Speaker 1: honest there to know what kind of themes. But she

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Speaker 1: talks about heartbreak.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's she's gotten edgy or her themes have softened.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, when she was young, it was all

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love her early stuff. When she was

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Speaker 2: a young, hopeful, bright eyed, bushy tailed girl who had

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Speaker 2: the whole world in front of her and she was

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Speaker 2: conquering her dreams. Those are sweet fun songs, even twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling twenty two. But yes, now she went in

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Speaker 2: like ooh, look what you made me do? Like she

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Speaker 2: starts you know, she's been she's been doing some not

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Speaker 2: the necessarily just pop songs. She's had some fun edge

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Speaker 2: to some of her songs.

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Speaker 1: So is this then about the sex?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sex, I haven't really And look, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Taylor swift songs the way her fans do the Swifties do,

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Speaker 2: but I don't recall there being much sex talk in

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Speaker 2: any of her lyrics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get to what look people have. And again,

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Speaker 1: there are critics music criigs out. They're doing their thing,

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Speaker 1: and they're supposed to be critical of the music. And

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of those folks have been respectful

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Speaker 1: of it and doing their jobs. But there are three

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Speaker 1: things that are standing out to fans certainly and critics alike,

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Speaker 1: and in particular a song that people are pointing to

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Speaker 1: in particular lyrics having to do about sex. And it's

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Speaker 1: almost no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put anything

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Speaker 1: you had to influence you, but I'll just tell you

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Speaker 1: the name of the song. It's would, Okay, And now

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Speaker 1: we'll share the lyrics that people are just having a

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Speaker 1: blast with.

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Speaker 2: All right, this is I'm actually blushing a little even

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Speaker 2: with these lyrics because yeah, all right, she says, forgive me.

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Speaker 2: It sounds cocky. He amatized me and opened my eyes.

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Speaker 2: You told me amatized is a Yes, it's.

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Speaker 1: A she shortened a popular online reference to having sex

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Speaker 1: so good that you have been dimatized. I didn't want

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Speaker 2: It, all right, but amatized and opened my eyes Redwood Tree,

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Speaker 2: it ain't hard to see. His love was the key

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Speaker 2: that opened my thighs.

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Speaker 1: Heal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah again. I'm like, I don't really want to read this,

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Speaker 2: but okay, girls, I don't need to catch the bouquet

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Speaker 2: to know a hard rock is on the way.

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Speaker 1: But bump, bump, I mean, and.

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Speaker 2: Baby, I'll admit I've been a little superstitious. The curse

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Speaker 2: on me was broken by your magic. Wand man seems

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Speaker 2: to be that you and me we make our own

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Speaker 2: luck new heights of manhood. I ain't got a knock

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Speaker 3: Do you think Taylor if she's happy have fun? Look, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's fun, it's funny. That's just it's hilarious. How much

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Speaker 3: I always say man rappers are some great writers, because

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Speaker 3: even if they talk about some of the most bulgar

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Speaker 3: things you've ever heard, it's creative And how it's delivered.

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Speaker 3: If she's having fun and talking about sex in this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like ABC a little bit at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I was thinking, sure, I think it's great.

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Speaker 2: She should be able to write about whatever and sing

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Speaker 2: about whatever she wants. And if she's singing about having

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Speaker 2: great sex and being really happy, amazing. I was just

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Speaker 2: thinking about his mom and her mom like that would

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Speaker 2: give me so much pause. But I love that she's

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Speaker 2: risen above that, and it's all for the art. It's

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Speaker 2: all for the art.

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Speaker 1: She's a grown woman. However, I will, you know, say

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Speaker 1: okay to the fans who have grown up with her,

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Speaker 1: who have been listening to every line of every album,

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Speaker 1: and to hear that from her might be a little stunning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I mean, I think if you can.

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Speaker 2: It seems like she's laughing as she's saying it, and

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Speaker 2: so if you can just laugh with her and say, man,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't experienced that one day, I hope I will,

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Speaker 2: you know, just lean in, enjoy it all right.

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Speaker 1: The other issue here that some have pointed out is

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Speaker 1: the idea. I guess you put it this way, right,

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Speaker 1: Disney is trying to get away from the princess who

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Speaker 1: and then once he comes, everything is going to be okay.

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Speaker 1: And I guess it's that the life of Ophelia. That

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Speaker 1: song is one that folks are pointing to it and

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Speaker 1: again do you think, sister, But it does have kind

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Speaker 1: of that theme of everything's okay in my life, you

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Speaker 2: That is what happened for her, that's I think we again,

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Speaker 2: we can overcoreac overcorrect, excuse me, instead of teaching all

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Speaker 2: little girls that they need a prince to come save her.

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Speaker 2: It's okay. If maybe you were not feel in love

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Speaker 2: and had gotten disappointed so many times, when someone comes

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Speaker 2: if it took that guy to make you feel that

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Speaker 2: be okay too. You know, I don't think it has

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Speaker 2: to be, but I get it. There were some folks

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Speaker 2: online saying things like, please don't tell me that you

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Speaker 2: know Ophelia ends up dying killing herself in Shakespearean tragedy

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Speaker 2: that it is. And she was like, please don't tell

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Speaker 2: you didn't, you know, do harm or kill yourself or

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Speaker 2: end up like Ophelia. So the people who've taken it

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Speaker 2: a little too far, like they're personally offended that she's

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Speaker 2: saying she was at death's door until Travis Kelsey came around.

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Speaker 2: But maybe that's true and that's her path and that's

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Speaker 2: what happened with her.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the thing, I don't know how, and I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard the breakdown that she does a thing where she

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Speaker 1: kind of goes into each song. I haven't listened to

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Speaker 1: her and the meaning behind this and the story behind it.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I didn't think about it until

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Speaker 1: you just said, well, maybe that's true for her, Like

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Speaker 1: we don't know how propable place and I suggesting Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift with everything. No, but she caring herself.

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Speaker 2: It seems like it might be all about Charlie XCX.

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Speaker 2: Musician, you said, politician.

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Speaker 1: of this album. One says we may have seen Taylor

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Speaker 1: on far better songwriting form than with the Life of

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Speaker 1: a Show Goal, but perhaps now more than ever, she

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Speaker 1: is making music for herself over anyone else. I buy that.

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Speaker 2: Simon Cowell calls that indulgent on American idol, but you

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Speaker 2: know what, she's earned the right to be. I feel

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Speaker 2: like my personal opinion this one also is she leans

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Speaker 2: fully into the idea of her sona as a work

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Speaker 2: of artifice. The twelve songs here are either a peak

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Speaker 2: under the mask or are another mask altogether. From a

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Speaker 2: critical perspective, that pivot makes it at least a little

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Speaker 2: bit interesting as an exercise. But what's most surprising about

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Speaker 2: the Life of a Showgirl is the extent to which

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Speaker 2: it's off putting, both as a pop album and as

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Speaker 2: a Taylor Swift album.

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Speaker 1: That's why I put in parentheses before that one. This

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Speaker 1: is the best quote. This is the best critic The

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Speaker 1: best way I've seen it put is that people don't

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Speaker 1: like it as a Taylor Swift album.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a good way for them to

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Speaker 1: put that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense, But I do you know,

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate hmmm. This one's tough. The Life of

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Speaker 2: a Showgirl isn't a particularly bad album, but given Swift's

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Speaker 2: immense back catalog, too much of it sounds like an

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Speaker 2: artist on auto pilot. That's tough.

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Speaker 1: Upfront, The one two up says it's kind of the

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Speaker 1: same thing at the end appears a signal of disinterest

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Speaker 1: in evolution. Again, these are folks who, again I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: with her, Yeah, but there's are folks who pay attention

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Speaker 1: and know her, know her music, know all of those albums.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked, Grobes. I was sitting up there with

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Speaker 1: Savine earlier and asked, can you name any of the

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Speaker 1: other I really could not name a Taylor Swift album.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't think of the name of even of them.

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Speaker 1: See Sabine popped off all twelve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow, that's impressive.

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Speaker 1: Without even trying. So I'm for her to be at

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Speaker 1: this place, to have that reach, to evolve that this

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Speaker 1: may be the album she's been singing about eleven previous albums.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel like the song the sound does

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Speaker 2: sound the same, but it's just the lyrics that have

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Speaker 2: changed a bit, and I appreciate that. And look, you know,

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Speaker 2: she's it does seem she's very proud of it. The

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Speaker 2: fans are gobbling it up, and she looks happier than

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Speaker 2: she's ever been before, and that makes.

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Speaker 1: It a great album, folks. And with that, always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you hanging thus for now, I'm teaching.

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Speaker 2: Hold and I'm Amy Robot. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: M m m mmm

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm