1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mark Maus Show. I'm sitting down 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: with Alexfetzki, the co author of our book, The Uncommunist Manifesto, 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: highly worth reading it. Also he is the author of 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: The Bitcoin Times. Alex Man, we've been talking a lot 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: before we started recording. Hurry hit record. Super excited to 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: dig into all the stuff that we have. Man, I 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: think you've been on the show four or five times. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff to dig into. But anyway, thanks, 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. It's gonna be fun. 10 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: Good see again. Man, it's been too long. 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been way too long. 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of things that I want 13 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: to cover with you. You know, you're an amazing author. Obviously 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: we're the both the co authors of this book, The 15 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: Uncommunist Manifesto. If you haven't got it yet, you certainly should. 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, you write a lot of things. You also 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: write The Bitcoin Times, upcoming Bishi to a Bitcoin Lots 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: of stuff going on there. 19 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: But I want to talk. I want to talk about a. 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: Piece that you wrote recently which is pretty cool, talking 21 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: about money and energy and sort of like a philosophical level, 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: The Hard Times creating hard men sort of thinking and 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe why there's some fallacy there. How we don't need 24 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: to change people's mind, we don't need the masses. A 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I want to dig into there. But 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: I saw a video this morning that all of a sudden, 27 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, it was amazing. So I 28 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: just want to talk about that for a minute. And 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: the video I'm talking about is in Argentina. They elected 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: a new president that I thought this would never happen, 31 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: President Meal down there, and he gave a video this 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: morning and I swear he was reading right out of like. 33 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: The book that we wrote. Literally we've just read the 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 3: same books. 35 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: So I'm just curious your take on Argentina. Let me 36 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: let me ask you this question I've thought as you 37 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: sort of kind of maybe brought to my consciousness and 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: we talk, we share idea on is that sort of 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: democracy being a scam? 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: Right? 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: It's a tyranny of the minority by the majority, And 42 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the problem with the democracy is that mob rule. And 43 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: so I always thought that once fifty one percent of 44 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: the population find they can vote themsel elves more money, 45 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: how would things ever change? Because no one's ever going 46 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: to vote to make less money if it's not their money, right, 47 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: and so that's sort of the problem with democracy. I 48 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: never thought we'd be able to see that change. But 49 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: here we have Argentina that actually voted for this. They 50 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: actually voted to end all of this, you know, gut 51 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: the government in the central bank and basically they voted 52 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: to get themselves less money. 53 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: Were you surprised on that? 54 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think it. This is part of my new 55 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: thinking these days and why I've going down the nature 56 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: rabbit all. I think they voted not for that. I 57 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: think they voted to they voted for great leadership. And 58 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: I think Milay is you know, as much as the idea. 59 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: But but but what But wouldn't you say, but wouldn't 60 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: you say the. 61 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Great leadership they're voting for was the policies he was 62 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: promising to. 63 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. I don't think they understand 64 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: the policies very well. I think I think they you 65 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: know that there's a there's a sense, there's probably like 66 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: an underlying sense of kind of his primary which is 67 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 2: libertad carajo. You know, it's like, you know, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom, 68 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: and you know, Argentine is quite a sophisticated, sophisticated culture. 69 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 2: It's one of the oldest cultures and most sophisticated and 70 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: the most European like cultures in all of the Americas 71 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: lit alone, just South America. And they have just been 72 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: through socialist stuff, the socialist stuff, the socialist scumbag off, 73 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: the scumbag after scumbag, And what Malay represents is a 74 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: different energy and a different type of leadership, which I 75 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: think is what they voted for, which is my new belief. 76 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: It's even less about the policies, honestly, it's about the 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: character of the leader, and something comes through him when 78 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: you see him speak, when you see him talk, when 79 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: you see the consistency behind his message and the force 80 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: and the energy and the belief behind his message, it's 81 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: second to none. Like Ron Paul says all the same 82 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: things that Mila says, but he did not have the 83 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: same energy and character as Milay does, and that carries 84 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: through and I think that's why Malays is very, very 85 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: very unique. 86 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, maybe maybe I could see that. And 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: the reason why we see that, if we dip into that, 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: is because to your point, he's a strong leader, and 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is hard times create strong men. The 90 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: sort of circular generational theory that was popularized in the 91 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: book The Fourth Turning and the weak men creating bad times, 92 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: and then the bad times create these strong men. And 93 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: so what we're seeing and maybe Ron Paul was just 94 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: too early, things weren't bad enough. But you know, to 95 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: your point, I would agree, he's also not that charismatic 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: type of personality. But what we're seeing today is these 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: strong leaders, if you will, the Andrew Tates, even the 98 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson's, they really there's this there's this strong attraction 99 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: like we're almost remember doctor Mateas Desmond wrote that that 100 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: whole piece on the psychosis mass formation psychosis, and they 101 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: basically talked about when people feel isolated and hopeless and 102 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: then like a leader comes and shows them a path forward, 103 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: then they'll all fall in behind them, right, And so 104 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: potentially these you know, the Fauccies of the world said, hey, 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: we can all get back to normal if you do 106 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: these things. 107 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: And then like the pied piper leads them. 108 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: And so maybe this strong leader to your point, this 109 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: media et cetera, people want to rally behind that, like, oh, 110 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: I am attracted to that, and I feel you're the 111 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: strong man that could deliver us out of this is 112 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: that what you're what you're thinking, Well. 113 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: Yes, so there's always going to be a leadership dynamic, right, 114 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: And what is important And this is the big epiphany 115 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: that I've had, you know, this year, really particularly going 116 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: down writing the busheto of bitcoinnin just studying the the 117 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: the virtues that created the cultures which preceded the greatest 118 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: civilizations on earth, is that they were all that they 119 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: all had some commonalities around what kind of virges and 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: what the strength of their leaders. Now, what I've come 121 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: to believe is that we have in the last one 122 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: hundred years or whatever, been told stupid. It is like, 123 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: you know, power corrupt, absolute power corrupts, you know, absolutely 124 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. And we've had people who 125 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: are fundamentally strong, people who are fundamentally authoritative in the 126 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: true sense of the word, like to be an author 127 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: To be an authority means you are a master. You've 128 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: put your ten thousand hours in, You've developed competence, you've 129 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: earned authority. We've the good men, the responsible men. 130 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: You know. 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 2: To me, strength is a reflection of responsibility, the amount 132 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: you can carry right. Responsibility is a burden. These kind 133 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: of people, instead of stepping into positions of leadership and power. 134 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: They have shied away, they have shrugged that responsibility, and 135 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: it's left a vacuum for the week the faucias, the legards, 136 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: the cloud schwarps, et cetera, the micromanagers, the bureaucratic, parasitic, 137 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: middle manager, scumbag type to go and seize power. Because 138 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: whenever there is a vacuum, power will exist, someone will 139 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: seize it. And what we're seeing, I believe, with the 140 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: rise of Mila is so someone of character, someone of 141 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: true strength, coming and actually seizing power and establishing leadership. 142 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: And I think that is the big change. It's less 143 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: about the libertarianism, less about all that sort of stuff, 144 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: but that stuff is all very important because you know, 145 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: that is the if you almost think about it in sales, right, 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: there's an emotional close and then there's a logical close. Right, 147 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: So the emotional component is the charge of the leader. 148 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: But then to reinforce the charge of the leader, there 149 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: needs to be policies and systems and you know, a 150 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: process that actually makes sense. Milay is the unique blend 151 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: of both, right, and that I think is that that 152 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: is the big, big, big, big change that we've seen, 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: Like Trump for example, is that charismatic leader, but the 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: maybe the policies don't match up, are not as strong 155 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: as Malays. For example, right, Ron Paul's policies and stuff 156 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: might be strong, but he doesn't have the charisma of 157 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: a Trump or a Malay. Right, So Malay is just 158 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: that magic mix of both. 159 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 160 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: I think one thing that you're saying there that I 161 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: just want to hone in on and see if I'm 162 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: hearing this right. And I think it's a good distinction. 163 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: So this this thinking that just because somebody's in power 164 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're a strong man. 165 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: They can be a weak man with power. 166 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Yes, So to your point, the strong man is the 167 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: one who can shoulder the burden, that can take the responsibility. 168 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: The weak men that we have running the country or 169 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: the world. You named off a few, they're not shouldering anything. 170 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: They're the bureaucrat saying you do this, you do this. 171 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: And really the example that Jesus laid out in the 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: Bible is that servants, or i should say leaders, good 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: leaders lead from behind. Good leaders lead from maybe setting 174 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: an example. So there's strong men and then that sets 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: the example that people want to follow. Like if you 176 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: look at like coach Bill Belichick or the Patriots, you know, 177 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: most super bowls in history. 178 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: He started like, I'll watch all. 179 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: The game tape. Nobody wants to do it. I'm going 180 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: to do it. And he set that example, and then 181 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: other people on the team saw that work ethic that 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: he put do. He's doing the job nobody wants. Well, 183 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna step up and even do more jobs 184 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: nobody wants. And so that leader sort of leads by example. 185 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 1: I gotta take a very quick break. I know you're 186 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: ready to jump in on that. If you're just tuning in, 187 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Mass Show. I'm sitting down 188 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: with my friend, my co author uncomedist Manifesto and author 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: Alex Sveetzsky. We want to talk about a couple of 190 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: big topics we're going to come back with. We're talking 191 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: about Argentina right now. But I can take a very 192 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: quick break. You don't want to miss it, though, so 193 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. 194 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: We'll be right back, all right, Welcome back. 195 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 196 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Mass Show, sitting down with Alex Fetzki, and we're talking 197 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: right now about Argentina and then we'll get into the 198 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: bigger picture of. 199 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: What the world is. 200 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: But right before the break, alex you were going to 201 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: say something about that. I was talking about sort of 202 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: like this strong leader isn't one who shrugs off responsibility. 203 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: The strong leader is the one who shoulders it and 204 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: demonstrates he could do it. And by demonstrating he can 205 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: do it by being the least all take the job 206 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: nobody wants, then it rallies other people to do that. 207 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: Is that how you see it or you disagree? 208 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: So so human beings are mimetic creatures. So there's a 209 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: there's a whole theory. What's is like Things Unseen. I 210 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: can't remember the name of the author off the top 211 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: of my head, but Breed Love and I were discussing 212 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: it a little while ago, and basically the premise is 213 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: that everything that happens in culture, everything that happens in civilization, 214 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: everything we learn, everything we know, everything we see is 215 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: mimetic in nature. The function of a leader is fundamentally 216 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: to play role model, to play example, to lead from 217 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: the front. This is why the greatest leaders in history. 218 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: You mentioned Jesus, there's Alexander the Great, Napoleon. 219 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: But they shifted the word. Yeah, I would say they 220 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: lead from behind. 221 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: You cand fronted the semantics I think because like you know, 222 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 2: the people who like you could say the greatest leaders 223 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: like Alexander the Great went to the front of the battlefield, 224 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: right and they like example implies that you're in front 225 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: so that people see right. 226 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: But but technically I would be leading from behind because 227 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: you would put the lowest at the front, and typically 228 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: the generals would be behind where they're safe. 229 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: Notrue, Not true. That's modern warfare, no, no, no. In ancient warfare, 230 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: the generals, the cavalry, the royal guard fought first, particularly 231 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: macedon the Romans. The Romans kind of started to adapt 232 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: to that a little bit later, But like the Macedonians, 233 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: it was it was the generals that were the first 234 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: in line. The ancient Greeks, it was the generals, the Achilles, 235 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: the hectors, it was them first in line. They would 236 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: be the ones drawing first blood. It was not the 237 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: other cavalry. And that was extremely important because their valor, 238 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: their courage inspired their men to follow and punch through. 239 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: And that's leading by example. 240 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: Correct. 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: When I go do this, everyone else will do it. 242 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick watching game film, everyone else will do it 243 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: right as opposed to shrug enough. So anyway, just getting 244 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: back to what we're talking about. So, just because we 245 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: have these the class swabs and the faucies, et cetera, 246 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: they're not strong men, they're weak men, and they're the 247 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: ones creating the strong time the bad times. So we 248 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: need these strong men to rise up. And so we're 249 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: seeing this all over the world, and I think I 250 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: talk about this pendulum that swings back and forth. In 251 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: the Netherlands, they just a massive sweeping vote and you know, 252 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: who knows whatever, maybe is a weft plant whatever, but 253 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: it appears that he sort of had this massive sweeping 254 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: vote and he's running on again a very strong stance 255 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: of deporting, uh, you know, the migrants, ending the migrant crisis. 256 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: Basically this whole woke shift, if you will call it that, 257 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: this liberal order, he's trying to reverse that. 258 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: Poland is doing it. 259 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: Even Georgia Maloney in Italy sort of ran on that 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: and again back to the Tates and the and the 261 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's, et cetera. So it seems like the world 262 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: need they want to hear this message. They're they're dying 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: for that. That strong leader to come back and fill 264 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: in that vacuum. 265 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: It seems like there is and and just don't want 266 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: to touch on strength. So in the in the essay 267 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: that I wrote this, there's a section that talks about 268 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: what strength implies, right, and I use an example which 269 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: is when two people get in a ring to fight, 270 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: boxing match, emma, whatever, right, you would expect the person 271 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: who is stronger, more prepared, faster, more skilled, et cetera, 272 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: to win. Yes, there is a luck component, and luck 273 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: is something you just can't take out of the equation 274 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: of life. Lucky is the ineffable, Luck is God. Lucky 275 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: is the thing that is immeasurable. But by and large, 276 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, on a long enough time scale, the more prepared, 277 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: the stronger, the faster, et cetera, et cetera will win. 278 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: The weaker only wins if he cheats. So if you 279 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: look at the archetype of the Claus Schwabs and all 280 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 2: these sorts of people, they do not win because they're better, 281 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: or they're stronger, or they channel power better. They win 282 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 2: merely by creating a construct where the cheeter wins. So 283 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: they're in a ring where the stronger opponent has his 284 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: hands tied behind his back, and this person wins because 285 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: he poisoned the water or his opponent's hands tied behind 286 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: their back. Like I said, that is not the definition 287 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: of strength. And this is what people need. This is 288 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: the paradigm shift that we all must make. Is we 289 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: have been taught and told repeatedly, power is bad. Power 290 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: is bad. Power as bad, power as bad. Power is bad. 291 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: And good men, people who should otherwise be leaders, have abrogated, 292 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: or they have shrugged, that responsibility to lead, to be strong, 293 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: to channel power, and in the process we have left 294 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: it to the parasitic class to fill that vacuum, to 295 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: fill that gap. And Niatsu have predicted this one hundred 296 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: and fifty years ago, he said. And this is what's 297 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: oppression about Nietzsure that people you know often discount is 298 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: that he lived in the height of Western European power, 299 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: when everything thought, when everybody thought, you could do no wrong. 300 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: It is the peak of civilization. He said. A cancer 301 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: and I'm paraphrasing him here. He said, a cancer has 302 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: entered our civilization, and in the next century we will 303 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: enter the age of the last man. By his definition, 304 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: the last man is the NPC, the lemming the masses 305 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: that the people, you know what he described as the 306 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: cynical skep that want to bring everything down to the 307 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: average level. They hate beauty, they hate all that is uh, 308 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: you know that is ascendant. They want to bring everything down. 309 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: And we will enter that age because we have allowed equalitarianism, 310 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: my majoritarianism, democratic ideals to infect the civilizations that has 311 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: brought us this far, and the civilizations that brought Europe 312 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: to its peak was a civilization of excellence, not of average. 313 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: It's a completely different trajectory. It's a completely different direction. 314 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: It reminds me of Tony Robbinson's like you get growth 315 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: or you get death. You don't get to pick both, 316 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Like they are two separate directions. They are divergent. And 317 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: this is this is what I believe is like when 318 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: we talk about the pendulum swinging, it is fundamentally starting 319 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: to swing back towards life greatness, excellence, quality and away 320 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: from equality, democracy, death average Like that is that is 321 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: starting to happen. But this is going to be multigenerational shift. 322 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: I like what you said about Tony Robins, the growth 323 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: versus death. I was before we started recording, I was 324 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: on with my show producer que and we were talking 325 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: about I was talking about this specific point right there, 326 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: which is we either grow or die, right as humans 327 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: like you have the Gary V's run around saying, oh, 328 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: we all need to be optimizing for happiness. That sort 329 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: of a scam, right, And it's like, what gives us 330 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: happiness really, what we want fulfillment. We get fulfillment from 331 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: helping others, and we get fulfillment from growth. We need goals. 332 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Without the hope, people perish. So we just had a goal. 333 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: We have to have hope we can achieve that goal. 334 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: We need to have growth to be able to achieve 335 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: that goal. And that is what gives us that sense 336 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: of purpose. And then if you understand that, and then 337 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: you understand incentive structures, then you understand that we all 338 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: as humans should be striving and growing because that's what 339 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: brings that contentment to us and it also better society. 340 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: And we were talking about this in the context of 341 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: you know, today you hear about minimum wage workers need 342 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: to get paid more, they need to be paid a 343 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: living wage, and it's like, no, minimum wage workers were 344 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: meant for part time workers for college kids, and the 345 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: goal is to grow past that. 346 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: They should continue to. 347 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: Learn more skills and continue to up level. What happens 348 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: is if we pay that cashier to sit there and 349 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: push buttons a living wage, they'll stay in that role 350 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: the rest of their life. And if they stay in 351 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: that role of the rest of life, grow or die. 352 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: They die, they become depressed, they become obese, they become 353 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, all of these other unintended consequences that you 354 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: see in society break down if they don't have growth. 355 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: That's kind of conversation I was having is that's sort 356 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: of how you. 357 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, discomfort is your friend, like right, So the very 358 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: definition of growth is to create discomfort, to move outside 359 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: of one's comfort zone. Right, And this is once again 360 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: it like comes. We can relate that back to how 361 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: one optimizes civilization, culture and society, right is, you create 362 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: a culture of average and of comfort and of equalitarianism, 363 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: you create a culture of death. Fundamentally, and if you 364 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: have a culture of excellence, which is often uncomfortable, a 365 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: culture of excellence is fundamentally unequal. It's hierarchical, it is 366 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: steeper than it is flat. 367 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: And some people I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna cut 368 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: you off. Right there, we got to take a quick break. 369 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: If you're just a listening to the Mark Mass Show 370 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: sitting down with Alex Fetski talking about hard times and 371 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: hard men. We got more to cover when we come back. 372 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: Don't gooy, We're back, all right, Welcome back. If you're 373 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: just tune in your listening to the Mark Mass Show 374 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: sitting down with Alex Fetsky, we're talking about a new 375 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: piece of those publishers called The Bitcoin Times. Alex writes this, 376 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot more than just bitcoin, as we're talking 377 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: about society and incentives and so forth. I had to 378 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: cut you off there before the break, Alex. You were 379 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: just kind of getting into a rant to talking. 380 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: About sort of this need for growth. But go ahead. Sorry. 381 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean it is fundamentally it's it's as 382 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: true on the individual scale as it is true on 383 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 2: the macro cultural scale. And like I've got to I've 384 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: got a quote in the in the essay where I say, 385 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, the recipe is simple. Strong individuals equals strong society. 386 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: Weak individuals equal a week society. And that I write 387 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: that after a section where I really I wrote a 388 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: paragraph that is designed to trigger people, but it's true, 389 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: and I pick my words very precisely, I say, and 390 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: I'll quote this. It says, most people think that bitcoin's 391 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: greatest contribution will be to lift the masses up and 392 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 2: help the week quote unquote. Now, while that will likely occur, 393 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: but not for the reasons you think it will. It 394 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: is my unpopular belief that the more important contribution and 395 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: impact to mankind will be that Bitcoin makes the strongest, stronger, 396 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: the best better, and the most powerful more powerful. And 397 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: I even qualify it with the following sentence, I say, 398 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: I can already feel you squirming as you read that line, 399 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: so please read it again and then allow me to 400 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: qualify and clarify why this is a good thing and 401 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: you My point here is that, coming back to the 402 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: to the game and the boxing match we mentioned, is 403 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: that it is the strongest person that wins in a 404 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: fair game, It is the best, or it is the 405 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: most powerful person that wins in a soccer match, in 406 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: a game of any kind, in business or whatever. Right, 407 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: that is the framework you want to build now. The 408 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: beauty of life, the beauty of culture, the beauty of 409 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 2: society is that there's many, many, many dimensions that you 410 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: can be the strongest in. And it is not only 411 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: the first prize that gets rewarded. You just want to 412 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: set up the framework and the structure so that excellence 413 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: is the thing being rewarded, not average, Because as you 414 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: said at the outset of our discussion here, it's incentives matter. Like, 415 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: if you incentivize average, don't be surprised to get more average. 416 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: And I can tell you that average is the first 417 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: step to death. That is the direction you're heading in. 418 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: You know, if you incentivize excellence, you are going to 419 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: get a bit of discomfort along the way because you're 420 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: going to grow, but you are going to have an 421 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: ascendant culture, one that reaches upwards instead of one that 422 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: reaches downwards. And like to sort of quote Interstellar the movie, right, 423 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: he says, you know, we used to look up and 424 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: argue about our place and the stuff we'll dream about 425 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: our places does now we look down and argue about 426 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: our place in the doot. That is the difference between 427 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: an excellence oriented civilization and an average or equality oriented civilization. 428 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: It's fundamentally important. It is not nice, it is not pretty, 429 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: but it's absolutely real, factual and necessary to understand that, 430 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: and then we need to make a decision around them. 431 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: You talk about growth, and we need there's discomfort along 432 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: the way we become our society in the United States, 433 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: there's other countries that certainly live in squalor. And I 434 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: mean it's apocalyptic for many people around the world, billions 435 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: of people around the world today in the United States 436 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: or the West. 437 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: If we'll say that we. 438 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: Have a life of comfort, and you think it's that 439 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: life of comfort that leads to a lot of these problems, 440 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: we need to go find some type of problem to have. 441 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: We have the rise of people doing cold plunges every day. 442 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: It's like I need to bring some sort of stress 443 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: into my life, right, Like I have to artificially create 444 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: a hard time for myself. And so it's like maybe 445 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: some people, the people on the fringe, the leaders, are 446 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: starting to realize that I better do something. I've noticed 447 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of people on you know, social media. 448 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: We talked about the Tates, etc. 449 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: But there's a whole bunch of like men's coaches these 450 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: days that are about discipline and wake up at five 451 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: am and when my body tells me to go, I go, 452 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: and the cold plunge and all these things. And I 453 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: talked to a mutual friend who's very very successful, and 454 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: he's working with one of these guys and he said, 455 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, Mark, I just realized that I built my 456 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: life for comfort and I'm just way too comfortable. I 457 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: need to bring this back in so like almost like 458 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: people are starting to realize that and see that. But 459 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: we have to sort of manufacture that now in our lives. 460 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: For a lot of people we do. 461 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: So this is a tricky one. So what you want 462 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: to do, I believe is that you want. Progress in 463 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: my mind is defined as the increase of the quality 464 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: of the problems and the kind of discomfort you face. Right, 465 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: So a low quality problem is we need today, you know. 466 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: A high quality of problem is how many people can 467 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 2: I feed? Right, Like they're they're they're. 468 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: They're Tony act a billion people exactly. 469 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: So so that is the quality of the problem. Right. 470 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: So the thing is not to escape problems or to 471 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 2: just build a cushion around yourself. The thing is to 472 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: seek higher quality problems and to seek a higher quality 473 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: of discomfort. And it is really important because like I 474 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: had this epiphany when I was in the Italian Alps 475 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: and I was sitting there and I had this like 476 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: I was watching this video clip from a guy called 477 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: Jonathan Bowden who's an English He was an English politician 478 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: and philosopher, and he says, you don't speak to people's minds, 479 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: you speak to what's underneath the mind, you know. So, 480 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: and what he means by that is like people are 481 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: seeking a feeling, and when we want to, when we 482 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: create discomfort, we get closer to the source of life. 483 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: And like, if you get too close to the source 484 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: of life, you combust it and you become one with 485 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: the source again. In other words, you die. But like 486 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: we like when we're to you know, I was in 487 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: a sauna and I was like feeling you know, hot, 488 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, and you start to like desensitize to it. 489 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: So then what do you do. You jump in the 490 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: cold plunge and that shift, that change, that discomfort makes 491 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: you feel alive again in the moment. And that is 492 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: what we're always seeking. That's why we're always seeking to, like, 493 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: you know, distract ourselves, to create something, to eat, something 494 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: to do, something, to adventure, to you know, surf, to fight, 495 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: to do all this sort of stuff. Like life is movement. 496 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: Life is motion, you know. In order to feel alive, 497 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: you have to you have to jolt yourself in some way, 498 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: shape or form, and that is that is you know, 499 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: if you think about where discomfort happens, it happens right 500 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: at the edge of your comfort zone. Like literally, by definition, 501 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: discomfort exists in the realm of the border between comfort 502 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: what you know and what is what is not known. 503 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: So in order to grow as an individual, in order 504 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: to feel alive, you need to go and play at 505 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: that border. Now, if you go too far out, you might, 506 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: as I said, kill yourself and become one with the 507 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: you know, with the source of life once more. But 508 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: if you stay too far in, nothing happens, and then 509 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: you die of slow death. So you need to choose that. 510 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: I love what you said. 511 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: I want to dig back into you said we should 512 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: be all trying to chase or solve higher quality problems. 513 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: I love that. 514 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: So you think about the difference of the guy the 515 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: homeless drug addict on the street and Tony Robbins or 516 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: a Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates or whatever, right, and 517 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: the homeless guy on the street is only thinking how 518 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: can I get that next hit? Right? That's as far 519 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: well one, it's the problem they're trying to solve, and 520 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: it's as far as they can see I can see 521 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: thirty minutes out. 522 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: How do I get my next hit in thirty minutes? 523 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: And as you move up through society, you see problems 524 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit bigger and time frames get a 525 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: little bit longer. Now I'm living paycheck to paycheck. How 526 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: can I get my family taken care of? When I'm 527 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: working for trading hourly time, paycheck to paycheck. Then you 528 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: got guys that have a couple little bit of money, 529 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: and so now they can start to plan six months out, 530 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: plan a family vacation. You know, maybe I'll start a 531 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: business next year. And then all the way at the 532 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: other end, you have the Bill Gates and the Jeff 533 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Bezos who are literally planning for three four generations from now. 534 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: So the time frame is different to your point, Also, 535 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: the problem they're trying to solve is different. And the 536 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: reason why I love that and I want to pound 537 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: on that for a minute is one, our goal is 538 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: not to just can I go make a million dollars 539 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: and never have to work again? 540 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 3: Like no, Like, that's not our calling. 541 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: We need to always be growing, We need to be 542 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: solving bigger problems. But two, the reason why that resonated 543 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 1: is I was talking before we started recording with somebody else, 544 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: and I said something that was triggering, and I'm going 545 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: to say it again and trigger everybody else. If you 546 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: think about this philosophically, if I came over to your 547 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: house and hey, Alex, let me bring my truck over 548 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: and help you move for two days, and I use 549 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: my time, my labor, I even paid for the gas, 550 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: like you would kind of owe me a favor, right, 551 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: So hey, I have an io you now, Alex, you 552 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: will help me out when I need it. And so 553 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: let's say you gave me a piece of paper that 554 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: says I owe you a favor kind of a thing, right, 555 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: But if that's like a barter society, or you can 556 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: give me a dollar, which is like an iou certificate 557 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: that I can go cashing. 558 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: With somebody else. 559 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: So if you think about money as like I've provided 560 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: value to somebody else and they owe me a favor, 561 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: but instead of a barter system, I have a certificate 562 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: that I can go exchange at the store for an 563 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: iow you. If you start to think about it that way, 564 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: the more I've gone and helped people, the more of 565 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: these lues I stack up or money. And if you 566 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: think about it that way, then you would say being 567 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: broke means you're greedy, means your stingy. If you're broke, 568 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: you haven't put enough goodwill into the world. What favors 569 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: have you done to stack up il you certificates and 570 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: the FIAT money changes that. Obviously, people manipulate the money 571 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: system to print money for themselves and steal that. So 572 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't apply because our system is distorted. But if 573 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: you think about it from that philosophical level, I always 574 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: want to be solving more problems. I always want to 575 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: be stacking up these ilues. If you're just tuning in, 576 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Mass Show, I'm sitting down 577 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: with Alex Fetski, the co author of our book, The 578 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: Uncommunist Manifesto, highly worth reading it. Also he is the 579 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: author of The Bitcoin Times. We'll be back with more 580 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: in a minute. We've got to take a very quick break, 581 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: but don't go away, be right. 582 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: Back, all right, welcome back. 583 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: If you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark 584 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: Mass Show, sitting down with Alex Fetzki, my co author 585 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: of our book, The Uncommunist Manifesto, you should certainly go 586 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: read that. 587 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 3: If you haven't already. It's like an hour, hour and 588 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 3: a half read. Check it out. 589 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: We'll link to it in the show notes down below. 590 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: He's also the author of The Bitcoin Times. 591 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 3: So we were talking. 592 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: About before the break Alex sort of money and being 593 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 1: ioused but solving bigger problems. I liked that very want 594 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: I want to Yeah, I want to transition into this. 595 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I knew that was gonna be triggering. 596 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: People think that rich people are greedy, but it's the 597 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: poor people that are greedy. 598 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: Totally. 599 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: They don't want they don't want to hear that. 600 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: But can I just say one triggering thing? Then I 601 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: saw a great tweet and it was like, it's easy 602 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: to hate the rich. It takes courage to hate the pool. 603 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: So deadlines up with what you said. I was like, 604 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: Dann that that tweet hits hot. 605 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we we've talked a lot of times about this, 606 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: and let me just throw this out for all the 607 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: trigger people. You know, you don't look at Lebron James 608 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: and hate Lebron James because he's so much better at 609 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: basketball than everybody else and he's made so much more 610 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: money and I and but some reason you look at 611 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: the rich like Jeff Bezos or whatever, and you think 612 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: that he's greedy and he's he's ripped everybody off. But 613 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: why But what about Lebron James. Why is he making 614 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: so much more? Why doesn't he distribute some of his 615 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: wealth to the lower level basketball players? 616 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: You don't You don't think that. 617 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: And I think the reason why is because the rules 618 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: of basketball are fair. Everyone has to play by the 619 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: same rules. But everybody knows the rules of money are 620 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: not fair. And so I think there's that that sits 621 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: on top of it, and. 622 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: So there are certainly exceptions to the rule. 623 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: I do believe that the Bezos and the Gates of 624 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the world manipulate the government and regulations to build trenches 625 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: for their business and some of their wealth they've gotten 626 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: is maybe we'd consider that unfair tactics. They're not, you know, 627 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: playing fairly in the market, but you know, throwing those 628 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: outliers out. I think the rule applies pretty broadly to 629 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: most of us, you and I, the workers of the world, 630 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: the small business owners, et cetera. 631 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: It does, I think, I mean, and play Devil's advocate, Yeah, 632 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: to play devils advocate. I was going to say, like 633 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: that they are using the current rules in the current 634 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: paradigm to their advantage. Right, They're like, well, you know, 635 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: if you're going to hand out this and if I 636 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: have the capacity to manipulate this and that, I'm going 637 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: to do it, and that's what I'm going to do. 638 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: And this is this is why bitcoins so I believe 639 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: important is that it creates a framework and that this 640 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: is the This is the big question of next year's book, 641 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: The pursuito of Bitcoin is the question is does a 642 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: framework like bitcoin require a new playbook or a new 643 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: way to operate? And I believe that the current paradigm 644 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: that we live in, the current socioeconomic and political paradigm 645 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: that we live in, requires one to adapt themselves in 646 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: such a way that, you know, cheating or becoming friends 647 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: with politics and you know, central bankers and such stuff 648 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: like that gets you ahead. You know. Now, it it 649 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: might get your head monetarily and you know, socio politically speaking, 650 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: but in some way it empties your soul and there's 651 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: a price to pay for that, but it still gets 652 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: your head. Whereas on a on a bitcoin standard, you know, 653 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: in the absence of being able to so easily cheat 654 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: at scale, I do believe a new set of virtues, 655 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: or a new set of principles, or a new set 656 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: of behavior is warranted. And that's the that's the ten 657 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: virtues that I outline in the book, which is you know, 658 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: things like justice, courage, responsibility, excellence, loyalty, respect, self control. Like. So, 659 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: so I list out all of these things, I look 660 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: at the philology and the antymology of all what these 661 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: things actually mean. What does the word virtue mean? Right? 662 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: And then I establish a a I propose a playbook 663 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: for winning on a Bitcoin standard, which I believe will 664 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: be quite different, and you'll get you know what I 665 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: consider the archetype, the Alexander, the Great Meats, Steve Jobs archetype, 666 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: you know, the the warrior, ceo king kind of archetype 667 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: that I believe will be the closest thing to what 668 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: Nietzsure called the uber mash. And that is the kind 669 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: of person that will lead, you know, the future or 670 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: lead the world in what the future will look like. 671 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Is that sort of like a Renaissance man where they 672 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: have like multiple disciplinary kind of mastery. 673 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: Yes, similar in some sense. You know, the renaissance man 674 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: was the polymath. Yeah, the renaissance man was the original polymath. 675 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: So this I believe is is like, so you spoke 676 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: earlier about like, you know, when you have more money, 677 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: we're dealing with high quality problem. You know, you're thinking 678 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: two three generations down, right. So when Nietzsche was talking 679 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 2: about the uber Mench, he wasn't talking about some specific 680 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: individual that was going to rise up and like a 681 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: new Napoleon, right, although that could be arguable as like 682 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: there is the uber Manchu of uber manches, right, But 683 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: what I believe he was more referring to was an 684 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: archetype of person who was over time, consciously and intentionally developed. 685 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: And the best way to understand this is through a 686 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: through a joke I made a couple of years ago 687 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: in an article that I wrote for edition four of 688 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: the Bitcoin Times, I spoke about fire bitcoin teleportation, right, 689 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: and I said in there, the world is likely going 690 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 2: to bifurcate into two types of people, Homo hystericus and 691 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: Homo bitcoinnocus, right, Where Homo hystericus is the you know, 692 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: wearing six masks on a prescription medication, you know, with 693 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: like injections or whatever. He's going to be you know, 694 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: inside watching Netflix, eating the bugs, drinking soy and you know, 695 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: eating beyond beef, and that's his life versus Homo bicoinicus 696 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: is the person who's out there getting sunshine. You know, 697 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: their wealth is in bitcoin, they're training, they're lifting heavy, 698 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: they're building a family, they're eating meat like, et cetera. 699 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: And I was like, what do you think is going 700 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: to happen after one, two, three generations of these divergent 701 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: types of living. I was like, you're going to have 702 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 2: two different types of people. So what Nietzsche's position on 703 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: the uber mansion. It's funny because I didn't know anything 704 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: about Nietzche or the uber mans back then. I was like, 705 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: oh crap. Like he spoke about what I'm meaning here 706 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years ago, and he says, the 707 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: uber mensch is a archetype that will take intentional breeding, 708 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: like intentional multi generational development, in order to create a 709 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: new class of human that is of a higher physical, spiritual, emotional, 710 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: and mental stature and structure. And I believe that kind 711 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: of archetype of person is our duty to develop, to 712 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: develop a new human. Like the term uber mensh means 713 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 2: superman or overman like, so the next iteration and I'm 714 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: not talking about like cyborgs and stuff like that. I'm 715 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: just talking about like a like a a superior person 716 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: than a bugman, right, And that takes time, it takes intention, 717 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: it takes It's the ultimate low time preference endeavor. 718 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: I just want to correct myself. My show producer q 719 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: through this. In there he also runs I think a 720 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: show called Bitcoin Ballers where he talked about bitcoin and basketball, 721 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: so he had to fact check me. Lebron James is 722 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: not the highest paid player in the NBA, apparently some 723 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: guy in the Celtics with a larger contract. So anyway, 724 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: correct that. I want to we have a couple of 725 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: minutes left here, Alex. I want to talk about something 726 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: else that you talked about, and we've talked about extens 727 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: the offline and in this, in this, in this article 728 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: that you wrote the Bitcoin Times Energy edition, you start 729 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: talking about and you've mentioned several times as archetype, and 730 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: you talk about the masses and a rising tide, and 731 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: so we become overwhelmed, I think a lot of people, 732 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: and we're like, how do we reach the masses? How 733 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: do we get everyone to wake up? How do we 734 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: get everybody on. 735 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: Board with this? Right? 736 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: And I think the key is we don't we don't 737 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: need them, and maybe we don't even want them on board. 738 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 3: What is this about the masses? 739 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: Uh, maybe maybe the remnant in the masses and then 740 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: this sort of rising tide we got about a minute 741 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: and a half. 742 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 2: Cool, Let's let's tie this into Malay and what he 743 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: represents in him as somebody who is appealing to a 744 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: different character of person. Right, So what's important, and we 745 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: spoke about the mimetics of civilization earlier, right, is that 746 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 2: people copy others. People copy that which they most want 747 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: to emulate, and well, that which seems SEMs to be 748 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 2: the one getting ahead. So instead of lowering your message 749 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: and kind of like diluting it so that it appeals 750 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: to the lowest common denominator, if you do what Malay 751 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 2: is doing, is you target the people with character, the 752 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 2: people who are the producers, the creators, the movers and 753 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: the shakers. They will then mimetically they will become your 754 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: lightning rod for the rest of the people. But more importantly, 755 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: even if they don't, that group, that warrior class, that 756 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: entrepreneur class, that produce the class are the ones that 757 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: matter anyway. They're the ones who are going to make 758 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: civilization better and therefore everybody benefits. But if you do 759 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: the opposite, if you try and cater to the lowest 760 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: common denominator, the people who matter don't give a crap. 761 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: They don't listen to you anyway, because you're a charlatan, 762 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: the bottom of the wrong, don't do anything about it anyway, 763 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 2: and then all the society devolves. And this comes back 764 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: to what we discussed earlier. It's like you have excellence 765 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: and ascendants, or you have average and death. And this 766 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: is very important to decide on early. And that's what 767 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 2: I think Malay represents, and that's where I think the 768 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 2: future is going to fundamentally go. 769 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: And when I'm just going to tie this back, I 770 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: got a few seconds left. But to tie it back, 771 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: it's all about leading by example. So we influenced the masses, 772 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: not by trying to educate them, but by leading by example, 773 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: not by telling them what to do, by showing them 774 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: what to do. So if you're just tuning in listening 775 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: to the Mark Maus Show and sitting down with Alex Sveetsky, 776 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: the co author of our book, The Uncommunist Manifesto, check 777 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: that out. He's also the author of the Bitcoin Times, 778 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Bitcoin Times dot io. You should go check out the 779 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: new issue that we've been discussing. We'll link to it 780 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: all in the show notes down below. As always, send 781 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: me a comment let me know what you think about 782 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: the show, and that's what I got. Thanks so much 783 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: for listening.