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Speaker 2: First one patient, then the next, then the next, then

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Speaker 2: the next. It goes all the way to twenty two

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Speaker 2: and I believe more. Did they not notice all the

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean it was a hospital, but it

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Speaker 2: all seems wrong. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven. Let's just start at

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Speaker 2: the beginning. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: On August thirty, first, a staff member finds a seventy

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Speaker 4: three year old male patient convulsing in his bed. He

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Speaker 4: has no history of seizures, according to his medical charge,

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Speaker 4: was given medication ten minutes before the seizures began. The

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Speaker 4: post because that reports, the man is rushed to Butler Hospital,

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Speaker 4: where doctors discover the seizures have been brought on by hypoglycemia.

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Speaker 4: Hypook glycemia is a condition in which the body's blood

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Speaker 4: sugar level is lower than the standard range. This is

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Speaker 4: a condition almost always related to diabetes. The patient is

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Speaker 4: not diabetic. Treating doctors believe the only way this patient's

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Speaker 4: blood sugar could have plummeted is if someone had given

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Speaker 4: him a massive dose of insulin. The attending physician is

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Speaker 4: able to get the man stabilized and he recovers.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a JD, not an MD, so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to need someone to interpret what I just heard. Joining

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Speaker 2: me before I go to investigative reporter for the New

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Speaker 2: York Post, Deirdre Bartoff, I've got to go to a

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Speaker 2: doc or in our case, we also have a forensic

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Speaker 2: nurse expert, doctor Kendal Crown's is joining me, Chief Medical

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Speaker 2: Examiner of Terrant County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer in University

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Speaker 2: Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: What did that reporter just say? I always think of

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Speaker 2: diabetics or blood sugar as the problem would be high

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Speaker 2: blood sugar. I thought low blood sugar is a good thing, So.

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Speaker 3: Low blood sugar is a good thing. But critically low

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Speaker 3: blood sugar where you aren't getting any sugar in your body.

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Speaker 3: Your brain thrives on sugar. The fuel of your brain

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Speaker 3: is sugar. If your blood sugar goes too low, it

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Speaker 2: Also joining us. In addition to doctor Kendall Crown's Valerie Curiole,

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Speaker 2: she has so many letters beside her name, no vowels

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Speaker 2: are in bsn CCR, in forensic Nurse expert with a

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Speaker 2: GOODOIN Medical Forensics Board, certified in Critical Care nursing, and

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Speaker 2: you can find her at Goodoymedical dot net. Valerie Creole

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Speaker 2: Agree or disagree with what doctor Kennel Crown's just said.

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Speaker 5: I agree, and I would also like to add that

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Speaker 5: blood sugar, like most labs within the body, are found

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Speaker 5: within a normal range, So anything outside of that normal

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Speaker 5: extreme value. For example, if a blood sugar reaches lower

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Speaker 5: would go for a long time without eating. That would

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is I'm going to go to

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Speaker 2: special guests joining US investigative reporter in New York Post,

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Speaker 2: Deirdra barred Off Deirdra, when you're in the hospital, you

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Speaker 2: assume that you're surrounded by doctors and nurses and they're

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course?

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Speaker 2: So is this the first patient, Deirdre that dies A

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe so, among many ranging all different ages.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Deirdre Bardoff, Valerie Krill and doctor Kendall

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Speaker 2: In Pierce managing partner Robert Pierce and Associates. You can

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Speaker 2: find him at piercelaw dot com. Rob Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Where is this particular facility located where

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Speaker 2: the first death occurred?

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Speaker 7: Butler County is approximately twenty miles outside of Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Well six weeks later another dead body listen.

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Speaker 4: About six weeks later, another quality of life patient ends

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Speaker 2: And it's not over yet. Listen.

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Speaker 4: About four weeks after the fifty five year old patient

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Speaker 4: with the exact same symptoms hypoglycemia. While this patient is diabetic,

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Speaker 4: There's no way he could have injected himself with insulin.

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Speaker 2: And then quite the coincidence. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 4: Medical providers at Butler Memorial Hospital are unable to stabilize

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Speaker 4: and he dies after his family ends life sustaining care.

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Speaker 4: Three weeks later, on Christmas Day, his suite mate at

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Speaker 4: Quality of Life Services also dies. The New York post

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Speaker 4: reports the Butler Memorial staff is shocked and saddened. Since

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Speaker 4: neither man had been capable of injecting themselves with insulin,

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Speaker 4: staff begins to consider that someone is deliberately hurting patients.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Lisa Daddio joining me, former police lieutenant with New

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Speaker 2: Haven PD, also the lead detective on the any Lay case,

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Speaker 2: which was a real puzzle. Director of the Center of

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Speaker 2: Advanced Policing and GRAD program coordinator, Lisa Daddio, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Listen, I'm not a nurse, I'm

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Speaker 2: including two roommates, I would immediately start a homicide investigation.

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Speaker 8: So absolutely, Nancy, what I don't understand. And here's where

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Speaker 8: it gets a little complicated. Obviously, the facility where these

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Speaker 8: guessing they didn't know the manner or the cause of

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Speaker 2: Guys, we are talking about a facility, a healthcare facility,

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Speaker 2: And of course hypoglossmia low blood sugar is not contagious,

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Speaker 2: And I'm confused about how if you inject insulin into

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Speaker 3: Explain that basically what happens is influence is produced by

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Speaker 2: Make you rob In Pierce joining us managing partner Robert

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Speaker 2: Pearson associates. Rob again, you told me that this is

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Speaker 2: generally near Pittsburgh. But what kind of a facility is this?

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Speaker 2: Is it a hospital? Is it can be an old folks?

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Speaker 9: What is it?

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Speaker 7: You have a series of healthcare and rehabilitation facilities that

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Speaker 7: the age of the residents oftentimes are older. But that

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Speaker 2: Well, is it a hospital?

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Speaker 9: What is it?

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Speaker 7: It is a long term health care facility.

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Speaker 2: Machia Deardrew Bardoff joining us in the New York Post.

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Speaker 2: So is it a rehab Is it a hospital? What isn't?

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Speaker 6: Quality Life Services is a retirement nursing facility in Chakora,

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Speaker 6: which is in Butler County.

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Speaker 2: Dear you're Bardolf. Is it a chain?

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Speaker 6: It is a chain.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Alisa, Daddy, what's the first thing you would do

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Speaker 2: as well? Right now, we've got three dead bodies. But

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Speaker 8: I mean, we should have been contacted obviously after the

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Speaker 8: The facility underneath HIPPA and so they're not going to

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Speaker 2: And then we turned to scuttle butt, in other words,

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Speaker 3: That is correct?

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Speaker 2: And I want to hear everything that's said amongst the nurses,

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Speaker 2: from a deadly staff infection. That's understandable, not good, but understandable.

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Speaker 2: Here you have people that had never been diabetic suddenly

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Speaker 2: Another thing, and this is to Lisa Daddio or whoever

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Speaker 2: wants to jump in. You start listening to what the nurses,

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Speaker 4: During the investigation, a nurse who works with Presty, says

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Speaker 4: Presty commented that one of her patients would be better

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Speaker 4: off dead right before he is hospitalized with hypoglycemia. In court,

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Speaker 4: filing's medical records clearly show it was nurse Presty who

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Speaker 4: is in charge of the medication chart. On August thirty first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, rob Ann Pierce joining us managing partner Robert Pearson

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Speaker 2: Who is this woman, Deirdre? Who is Heather Presty?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Heather Presty is a who only joined the practice a

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Speaker 2: What kind of disciplinary actions you know?

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Speaker 6: The documents that I've gone through don't specify too much

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Speaker 2: I was always curious to me why when someone has

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Speaker 4: Presty is the assistant director of Nursing at Quality of

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Speaker 1: So she's just not a nurse.

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Speaker 2: She is the director of nursing at this facility. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Valerie crele are in you ever seen anything like it?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not uncommon, especially in skilled nursing facilities,

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Speaker 5: There's such a high number of these patients in these facilities, right,

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Speaker 2: What more do we know?

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Speaker 4: Take a listen our cut seven investigators and staff members

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean to Rob Pierce, Managing Director

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Speaker 2: Robert Pearson Associates, Rob is representing ten families connected to

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Speaker 4: A registered nurse at the facility says she was to

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Speaker 4: relieve Presty on August thirty first, That's the day this

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Speaker 2: It's eerily reminiscent of another case that nurse Lucy let

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Speaker 7: We don't know an exact number as of today. What

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Speaker 7: Seventeen of the twenty two have passed away. I do

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Speaker 7: very similar conduct, very similar circumstances, and I'm afraid this

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Speaker 2: Rob Piers explained to me, was she going from facility

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Speaker 7: It's very analogous to pedophiles that go, whether it be

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Speaker 7: They go to another place and the same conduct occurs

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Speaker 2: There's j Bardolph joining us in the New York Post.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the charges that have been filed against

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, as of now, Heather Presty has been charged

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Speaker 6: with mistreating twenty two patients ranging an age from forty

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Speaker 6: seventeen of those patients have died, but she has not

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Speaker 2: So right now she's only charged Deirdre with seventeen of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so seventeen pounds of attempted murder.

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Speaker 2: Question, Dearzra, was her imma, modus opera andi, method of

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Speaker 6: It seems that yes, using insulin was the way that

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Speaker 6: of bragged about, having a lot of experience with insulin matters.

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Speaker 2: Now, that first incident that happened back in August, Heather

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Speaker 2: He had had seizures and suffered from severe hypoglossmia immediately

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Speaker 5: Well, you could look at the big picture and find

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Speaker 2: We also know that a fifty eight year old woman

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Speaker 2: rob hears do all of these twenty two victims that

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Speaker 7: There are other methods. Not every patient and resident that

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Speaker 2: In fact, in one case, a woman dies after getting

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Speaker 3: Fifty units of insulin is probably six kinds the normal dose.

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Speaker 3: It's not something that you should ever see in an individual,

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Speaker 2: You Now we are talking about these victims as if

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Speaker 2: These people are young people in the prime of their lives.

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Speaker 2: And I can't help but harken back to a nurse

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Speaker 2: that murdered so meany of her patience. Lucy let Be listen.

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Speaker 4: Lucy let Be tried to kill twin boys when they

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Speaker 4: The parents were never told what caused the babies to crash,

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Speaker 2: And there's more, many of the children died. Take a

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Speaker 2: Rob Pierce there are many, many cases of angels of

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Speaker 7: I think it's pretty clear that the facilities did not

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Speaker 7: There are investigation and the Attorney General's investigation has shown

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Speaker 2: I mean her nickname was the killer nurse. Is that

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Speaker 7: Yes, there are some staff members that have indicated she

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Speaker 2: I mean doctor Jury Krausen joining me, psychologist, doctor Drury.

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Speaker 2: If I were one of the victim's family, I'd want

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Speaker 9: We see this in, like you said, nursing professions, but

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Speaker 10: One thing I wanted to comment on her background was

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Speaker 9: There was no quality of life. That was like directly

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Rob Heerce. I didn't realize that when she was a

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Speaker 7: We are aware that she spent many years as a

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Speaker 7: a sign of concern if there is enjoyment with that act.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the enjoyment you get out of killing something,

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Speaker 2: but take a listen to our cut eleven.

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Speaker 4: Heather Presty was previously charged with homicide, accused of intentionally

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Speaker 4: overdosing her patients with insulin. Now she's facing new charges.

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Michelle Henry says forty one year old Heather

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Speaker 4: Presty is charged with two new counts of first degree murder,

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Speaker 4: seventeen new counts of attempted murder, and nineteen counts of

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Speaker 4: neglect of a care dependent person. Presty is accused of

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Speaker 4: administering excessive amounts of insulin to these patients, some of

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Speaker 4: whom were diabetic and required insulin, and some of whom

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Speaker 4: were not. The ag said seventeen patients cared for by

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Speaker 4: Presty died.

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Speaker 2: It won't meet just a matter of proving the physiology

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Speaker 2: the cause of death in these cases, there's extrinsic evidence

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Speaker 2: as well. Wait till a jury hears this our cut thirteen.

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Speaker 4: According to the police criminal complaint report, Presty took substantial

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Speaker 4: steps to kill the patients in question intentionally. Currently, four

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Speaker 4: the deceased have confirmed causes of death. Five of the

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Speaker 4: patients survived the overdoses. The victims ranged from forty three

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Speaker 4: to one hundred and four years old. Presty worked at

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Speaker 4: twelve different nursing homes or long term skilled nursing care

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Speaker 4: facilities from October twenty eighteen until her arrest in May.

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Speaker 4: The alleged murders took place at seven of those care facilities.

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Speaker 4: The criminal complaint includes statements from previous co workers. According

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Speaker 4: to multiple staff member, Presty allegedly openly and frequently commented

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Speaker 4: that the patients just need to die.

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Speaker 2: Okay, as far as I'm concerned, all of these chains

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Speaker 2: they need to be closed down. I mean Rob Pierce.

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Speaker 2: She was saying the patients quote need to die, and

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Speaker 2: nobody did anything. They just kept her there.

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Speaker 7: I think what you have to try to separate is

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Speaker 7: that some staff members tried to do something. We have

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Speaker 7: evidence that they complained to management and that management either

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Speaker 7: did very little or did a quick investigation and continued

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Speaker 7: to allow Heather Presdy to serve as either the assistant

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Speaker 7: director or director of nursing. So there are people that

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Speaker 7: try to stop it but unsuccessfully.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by a quick investigation? What exactly happened?

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Speaker 7: We are aware in the case of Marion Bauer that

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Speaker 7: there were staff members at Bellair health Care and Reabilitation

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Speaker 7: Center complained about the amount of time Heather Presdy was

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Speaker 7: spending with certain patients and that some of those patients

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Speaker 7: either got very sick or passed away. We have been

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Speaker 7: informed that they notified someone in management. We also know

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Speaker 7: that coincidentally, the state came in and issued a citation

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Speaker 7: of immediate jeopardy, which is where there's a citation that

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Speaker 7: patients either have been harmed or likely to be harmed

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Speaker 7: based upon conduct within a facility. Heather Presdy was given

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Speaker 7: a brief removal from her management position while investigation occurred.

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Speaker 7: Our information revealed that they did not feel there was

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Speaker 7: sufficient charges to dismiss her at that time and put

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Speaker 7: her back in for the care of patients. Unfortunately, thereafter

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Speaker 7: more patients passed away, not just at bel Air, but

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Speaker 7: at several other subsequent facilities.

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Speaker 2: What more did Heather Presdy say, just forty one years old,

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Speaker 2: take a listen our friends, that crime online and cuts.

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Speaker 4: Se According to investigators, Heather Presty said things to others

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Speaker 4: about patients like one woman looked at her like an

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Speaker 4: animal would She told investigators one man had no quality

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Speaker 4: of life, saying she felt bad for another and one

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Speaker 4: just needed to die. At Son of You Nursing and

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Speaker 4: Rehabilitation in Butler, coworkers told investigators that Presty often said

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Speaker 4: residents just needed to die. But Presty's attorney said her

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Speaker 4: actions were motivated by mercy, the actions of a caregiver

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Speaker 4: who wanted to spare patience she saw as far too infirm.

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Speaker 2: Presdy is not the first angel of death. Does the

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Speaker 2: name Charles Cullen ring a bell? Take a listen to twenty.

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Speaker 4: Charles Cullen worked as a nurse for sixteen years, spending

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Speaker 4: multiple New Jersey medical centers, but wherever Culin worked, patients

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Speaker 4: seemed to die mysteriously. Before it thorough investigation could be done,

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Speaker 4: Culin would leave lie on a job by application and

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Speaker 4: get another nursing job at another medical center. Investigators find

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Speaker 4: caught up with Cullin and say he killed at least

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Speaker 4: twenty nine people. He claims to be responsible for as

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Speaker 4: many as forty murders committed as an active nurse where

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Speaker 4: he used insulin and other injectables to kill his patients.

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Speaker 2: And of course there's Jonathan Hayes. What no discussion will

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Speaker 2: be complete without him listen.

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Speaker 4: In North Carolina, prosecutors claim a rogue male nurse is

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Speaker 4: to blame for the alleged jabbing of two patients with

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Speaker 4: lethal doses of insulin at a hospital. WFMY reports forty

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Speaker 4: seven year old Jonathan Hayes is now a former nurse

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Speaker 4: at Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston, Salem.

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Speaker 4: Hayes is charged with two counts of murder and one

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Speaker 4: count of attempted murder. Hayes accused of administering a near

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Speaker 4: lethal dose of insulin to Pamela Little, who survived the

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Speaker 4: December one, twenty twenty one jab A month later, on

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Speaker 4: January fifth, twenty twenty two, he allegedly administered a lethal

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Speaker 4: dose to gwyn Crawford, and seventeen days later, gave a

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Speaker 4: third patient, Vicky Lingerfeldt, a lethal dose. Authority say both

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Speaker 4: women died on January twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: A penciling your nurse, Heather Presidy, accused our murdering patients

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Speaker 2: with fatal doses of insulin as now confessing and her

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Speaker 2: lawyer claims, but it was a mercy motivation, Like you

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Speaker 2: think I care her motivation for murder, It's still murder.

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Speaker 2: She talks about her patients like their animals. So what

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Speaker 2: is happening next, dear gerbardolv.

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Speaker 6: Right, Well, Presty is in custody at Butler Tony Prison.

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Speaker 6: She's being held without.

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Speaker 2: Bout Rob Pierce. What's the latest?

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Speaker 7: The Attorney General's Office is continuing to investigate any other

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Speaker 7: allegations from similar patients. There are criminal charges that are pending,

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Speaker 7: and that in February of next year. There is some

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Speaker 7: discussion of potentially having a preliminary hearing where her criminal

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Speaker 7: lawyers and the Attorney General's representatives can discuss if a

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Speaker 7: plea agreement is appropriate or not based upon the facts

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Speaker 7: known at the time.

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Speaker 2: A plea agreement. Is this not a death penalty case?

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Speaker 7: I would defer to the Attorney General's office.

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Speaker 2: Well, has anybody announced we're going to see the death penalty?

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Speaker 7: I have not heard anything that they're seeking the death penalty?

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Speaker 2: Good? Crazy? How many people do you have to kill

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Speaker 2: in that jurisdiction of Pennsylvania before they at least try

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Speaker 2: to get the death penalty? This nurse claiming she killed

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Speaker 2: patients because she pitied their quote quality of life while

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Speaker 2: their families were paying an arm and a leg to

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Speaker 2: have their loved ones taken care of, and then comes

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Speaker 2: along Heather Presdy. I don't know that I would call

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Speaker 2: her an angel of death. She's more like the devil's

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Speaker 2: minion of death. We wait as justice unfolds. And just

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Speaker 2: in case you're listening, Pennsylvania AG, we've got nearly twenty

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Speaker 2: dead bodies that we know of, and you don't have

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Speaker 2: the backbone to seek the death penalty. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: if you get it, can't you at least try for

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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, We wait as just as sunfolds. Goodbye, Clint,