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Speaker 1: Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, the podcast that

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Speaker 1: SURMELI I'm Miles Nalty, and I am a hundred percent

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Speaker 1: fishing dirty. Send it, Send it just just as long

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Speaker 1: Snakeheads do not get the credit they deserve. They're not

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Speaker 1: Poop did a duck bline with the camera guy watching me? Yes,

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Speaker 1: lure jigginspoon? Okay, how many turns and a clinch? Not

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Speaker 1: steak can fill Adelphia is made by oh Man. You

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Speaker 1: know it's funny because Gino's and Pats gets all the attention.

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Speaker 1: if you're not chasing bass, you'd prefer to be chasing

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Speaker 1: anything swimming in saltwater, a salty fish, the fat head

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Speaker 1: minnows last, okay, gas station burrito or coffee shop pannini.

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Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going about bottom of the barrel, gas

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Speaker 1: station uh food all the way, the junkie, greasy, dirty,

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Speaker 1: with the roast pork Italian or the cheese steak it Tony,

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Speaker 1: broccoli rob Come on, man, there's so many choices. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: paying attention to enough variables to be able to get

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Speaker 1: your question answered effectively. Don't just say I was there

425
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: and I wasn't catching fishing. What did I do wrong? Yeah,

426
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 1: there's so many variables. There's so many variables. Another annoying

427
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: one is that you know, I hook three fish and

428
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: I lost too. What was I doing? On? Well? Fish

429
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: get unbuttoned and people, and it seems like to me,

430
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: it seems like in some days more fish unbuttoned than others.

431
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Speaker 1: And I have no idea why, even with sharp hooks

432
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: and good hook sets and everything. So I don't think

433
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: anyone can answer that particular question. Why did I lose

434
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: all those fish? I don't know. Maybe they beat you,

435
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: maybe you suck at it. Either way, Tom, we really

436
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: really appreciate you. Can't we can say that on this show, thankful,

437
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: but we really do appreciate you. You debasing yourself enough

438
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: to come and chat with us here on the show,

439
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: and we hope to see you again soon. Thanks Miles,

440
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe. You know, learning to ask good questions is

441
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: one of the best skills you can have, because the

442
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: truth is that every good angler right takes as much

443
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: knowledge as possible from other people. Oh we were shamelessly

444
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: steel yeah, yeah, And learning how to ask good questions

445
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: is a lot like learning how to do anything well

446
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: and fishing. Pay attention to the details, be aware of

447
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: what's going on around you, you know, situational awareness. As

448
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: a captain I learned from back in the day, used

449
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: to beat into our heads cultivate the habit of noticing

450
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: everything for the record, for whatever it's worth, I could

451
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: not agree more with Tom. And in the interest of

452
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: increasing your awareness of all the things going around you

453
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Speaker 1: that are at least tangentially fish related, it's time fish news. Fish.

454
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: That escalated quickly. Okay, I'm gonna start off with a

455
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: with a little housekeeping and uh and this one is

456
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: a bit of a correction for me. On the Christmas episode,

457
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: I talked about using old Christmas trees as fish habitat

458
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: and that that definitely got some reaction. I heard from

459
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: some people on that one got some notes. So so, first,

460
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: a listener named Caleb, who didn't want to give his

461
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: last name because he doesn't want to listen to us,

462
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: butcher it that that's a quote and also happens to

463
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: be an arborist, pointed out that I mistakenly called Christmas

464
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: trees pine trees. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wrote,

465
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Speaker 1: while there may be some people somewhere that use pine

466
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Speaker 1: trees as Christmas trees. The traditional trees sold pretty much

467
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Speaker 1: everywhere as a Douglas fur And and if any of

468
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: you out there wondering what the issue is here, this

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00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: is valid. Pine trees are not fur trees. They are

470
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: both conifers, but they are not the same. And and

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Speaker 1: I will own that one. That was a rookie mistake

472
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: on my part, and Caleb, I appreciate that correction. Thank you. Also,

473
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Speaker 1: Justin Walters, who works for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources, wrote,

474
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to give you a short fisheries biologists

475
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: perspective on Christmas tree brush piles. Here in the Midwest.

476
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: A lot of our reservoirs are aging and the quality

477
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: of fish habitat is gradually declining. These reefs offer a

478
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,239
Speaker 1: little help. I do agree. They don't last as long

479
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: as hardwood, but they're easy to come by. Our angling community,

480
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: along with the other outdoor enthusiasts, love to help our

481
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Speaker 1: agency by providing the trees we use every year. It

482
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Speaker 1: makes them feel a connection to the resource more than

483
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: just buying a license. As far as how the fishing

484
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: is on them, it's seasonal, but it can be amazing.

485
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Hopefully some fellow listeners contact their local fisheries managers to

486
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Speaker 1: see if they are doing a collection this year. So

487
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: there you go. If you are one of those lazy

488
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: asses whose tree is still desiccating in the corner of

489
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Speaker 1: your living room, call your local agency see if you

490
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: can turn that fire hazard into fish habitat. At the

491
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Speaker 1: time of this recording, mind still on the front lawn

492
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: and it is blown over. It's all like dried out

493
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and spindling out. It's like blown over onto my neighbor's

494
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: lawn five times. I do appreciate the first guy, though,

495
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: just not giving the last name of somebody whose last

496
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: name is never pronounced correctly, not once, not ever, sirmil

497
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: kermel Kremili, sermal. Anyway, I'm looking at you. You know what.

498
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: You brought it up. It's time to acknowledge the fact

499
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: the film is not every single week. Yeah, yeah, it's nulty.

500
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: Sorry we had to do that. But they're okay, all right.

501
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: So I've got I've got one very quick but important

502
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Speaker 1: shout out. I have to give him a listener, John Mertz,

503
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: who sent me a totally badass handmade spearing decoy featuring

504
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: the bent logo, which is appropriate because we've just done

505
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of spearing decoy stuff. I highlighted Ryan Ebert,

506
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: another listener, his his decoys on the Instagram and we

507
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: had the news story about the the Deek that sold

508
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: for a lot of money. So John sent this to

509
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: me and uh, it's it's a it's a pike shape

510
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: and it's blue and it's super red and some of

511
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: you may have actually seen it on my Instagram page.

512
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: But the personal touch that really resonated with me is

513
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: the Misfits Fiend skull on its back. And I feel

514
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: like I have this thing going where people are like, hey,

515
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: if you want similar to be to your ship, slap

516
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: a Misfits skull on And they're not wrong. They're not

517
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: like you could give me an ironing border, a dust pan.

518
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: If it's got a Misfits skull on it, I'll think

519
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: it's just the most dope thing. Um. Anyway, John, thanks again,

520
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: And while I'm not sure if you've gotten yours yet,

521
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I believe I told you so. He sent some deeks

522
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: out to Bozeman for you. There's I'm looking forward to it.

523
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: There's more custom decoys out your way, and I'm sure

524
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: they are a killer too, So that's it. Had to

525
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: give a shout out to John. We can move on

526
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: the news here and as a reminder, Miles and I

527
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: don't know which news stories the other gentleman is bringing

528
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: to the table. This is a competition, and Phil, who

529
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: will hopefully say Nulty correctly for the first time in

530
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: Bent history, assuming you win and your last name gets read,

531
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: will weigh in when we're done and declare a news victor.

532
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: You are leading off this week. So what do you got. Yeah,

533
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: I've been on a cold streak, so so Phil, I

534
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: hope you're listening. Listening careful, Miles Nulty to Miles and

535
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: to the bringing the heat. Uh all right, So I'm

536
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: leading up this week with something just a little different

537
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: because I found the story. It's not new, but I

538
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: think it's really interesting and you'll you'll see why. And

539
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: it also it relates to something that you covered last week,

540
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Joe and a quick recap. You told a story about

541
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: a pair of catfish caught in Louisiana that had a

542
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: whole family of ducks in their bellies. Right, yep. So

543
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I was I was googling around and I was trying

544
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: to find pictures of that story because you and I

545
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: have been talking about like what kind of ducks they were,

546
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: and I said, well, it can't be mad, right and

547
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and you said I'll send you the photos, which you

548
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: never did, and I'm over. But I didn't. Actually in

549
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: the googling, I didn't find any photos of that story.

550
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: But I got sidetracked. I didn't look that far because

551
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: I got I found this other article that that I'm

552
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: now going to share. This one comes from the Independent.

553
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: It's an online British news publication. And uh and this

554
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: was actually published last March, but again I think it's

555
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: still worthy of of of covering. The headline reads fish

556
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: caught eating ducks at Essex shopping center. Lake was removed

557
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: because it quote upset children and and not surprisingly, this

558
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: story got picked up in a number of different UK

559
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: news outlets, everything from the BBC to the Sun, like

560
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole gambit. There's a mall in Essex,

561
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: which is an area north of London, and that mall

562
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: borders a lake. The mall is creatively named Lakeside Shopping Center.

563
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: Really thinking outside the box there. Now, when I think

564
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: of mallponds, I think of these like really tiny bodies

565
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: of water, but this one it's it's big, like, it's

566
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: pretty significant, and it's got all kinds of fish in it,

567
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: like pike, perch, roach and invasive or planted Wells catfish.

568
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: So last spring, someone unidentified someone complained to the environmental

569
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: agency about a fish eating ducks in front of innocent children.

570
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: The agency then sent officers to the lake, who caught

571
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: a twenty five pound catfish, which is not a very

572
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: big wellspe and then relocated it to another lake. Ben Norrington,

573
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: one of the fisheries officers involved, told reporters large fish

574
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: have the potential to eat wildfowl, so we're pleased we

575
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: could remove it, and invasive species like the Wells catfish

576
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: pose a serious threat to native wildlife. Norrington was also

577
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: quoted as saying it's not great for kids to see

578
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: these large fish eating ducks, so we removed the catfish. Again.

579
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: The catfish was not killed, but safely relocated to a

580
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: different private fishing lake. And at first, I gotta say,

581
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: this story just didn't make any sense to me, Like

582
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on here? And let

583
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: me explain why I'm so confused. Number one, I completely

584
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: disagree with with Mr Norrington there. I think that's great.

585
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: Had I been a young boy, Like if I was

586
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: a young kid and I'm at the mall hanging out

587
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: with my friends or my parents and I see a

588
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: duck get munched by a fish, Dude, that would have

589
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: made my year. I I'm right there with you. If

590
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: I was out in the wild and this was happening

591
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: in front of my kids, I'd be like, look, kids,

592
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: it's those ducks. You may never see that again in

593
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: your whole life. Like if I was, yeah, I mean that,

594
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: first of all, I'd be super pumped, And second of all,

595
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: I would be begging my parents to take me there

596
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: every week with there without fishing gear, like I would

597
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: have loved it all right, that's number one. Second, Like,

598
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how this made any sense from

599
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: a conservation perspective, right. The stated goal there was that

600
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to protect native birds from this marauding road catfish,

601
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: right right, How does relocating it solve the problem? Yep,

602
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: They're just moving the fish to a different lake. Does

603
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: like does that other lake not have birds? Do they

604
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: not fly that? I don't think that's true? Well unless

605
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: and then I don't know if you know the answer

606
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: to this, but I mean there's a lot of private

607
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: water in in Great Britain, Like, there's a lot of

608
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: private lakes, pay lakes. There's not all this. Yeah, my

609
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: guess would be that somebody who was like really pumped

610
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: about having a wells catfish put that in a private lake.

611
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: So my next quote comes from Tony Wignall, the guy

612
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: who owns the lake where the supposed problem catfish got relocated.

613
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: Tony told the angler's mail, which is it's it's one

614
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: of the top fishing publications in the UK. He told them,

615
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure there must be bigger cats at lakeside as

616
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: I doubt the one removed could have been quite big

617
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: enough to have taken a duck. So even the guy

618
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: who scored and the free catfish out of this, he

619
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: doesn't think that the fish they caught and relocated was

620
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: even the fish that was involved in the malings. Like,

621
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't think it had anything to do with it.

622
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he was happy to take the fish and

623
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 1: put it in his private lake. But like, again, if

624
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: the goal here is you're trying to protect native ducks

625
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: or other wildfowl, it seems pretty clear that this isn't

626
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: the solution, right, So I'm I'm scratching my head on

627
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: this and I'm trying to figure out And then I

628
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: found a photo that I think ties the whole thing together.

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Speaker 1: And the photos of Ben Orrington and and the other

630
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: fisheries biologists who went to deal with this situation, a

631
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: guy named Tom Baird, And in this other photo they're

632
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: collectively gripping and grinning with a big pike from that

633
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: same day. And and to be fit, the photo actually

634
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: looks a lot like that one we roasted from Mike Mancini,

635
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: like they're kind of close. Uh. So here's what I realized.

636
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: These officers were actually fishing, like with a rodd in

637
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: line to remove this problem catfish, and they were clearly

638
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: having a really good time. And that's the moment when

639
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, I what's going on here?

640
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: So all right, hear me out. Here's what I think happened.

641
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Some sensitive suburban parent takes their spawn out for a

642
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: spring shopping trip. On their way to the mall, they

643
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: stopped for a quick lookout across the lake and they

644
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: see some ducks majestically paddling around. Just then, one of

645
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: the beautiful ducks gets murdered. Said parent is incensed that

646
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: they have to suffer such trauma when just trying to,

647
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, buy some stuff at the mall. I mean,

648
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: this is a mall, not a nature documentary, right, So

649
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: they called him a planet. No, those you get little

650
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: warnings on those. So they call the environmental agency to complain,

651
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: and a couple of fisheries officers are sitting in their

652
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: cubicles and they see an opportunity. They can placate this

653
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: concerned citizen and use the whole thing as an excuse

654
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: to go fishing on the clock. And that is at

655
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: the mall. At the mall pond, maybe you're not even

656
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: allowed to fish, and the whole thing would have worked out,

657
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: except the media got ahold of it, right, and a

658
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: bunch of reporters showed up, and at that point the

659
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: officers like they had to produce a catfish to hold

660
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: up for the cameras so they can claim, like, we

661
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: got it, the thread has been neutralized. Everything's fine. But

662
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: then but then hold up. If they were then to

663
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: kill the fish, then they'd catch hell from some animal

664
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: rights group. So they had to they had to find

665
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: a private pond where they could give the fish a

666
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: new home, and then they had to spend some kind

667
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: of halfway plausible story to make the whole thing seemed legit.

668
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: That's my guess about how all this came together. Well, okay,

669
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: refresh my memory, because that was a long story. Did

670
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the concerned parent actually witness a catfish eating the ducks

671
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: or the ducks were just disappearing the cat fishing in

672
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the ducks? Yes, okay, so it wasn't a mistaken identity.

673
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't the giant pike in there eating the ducks.

674
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: It was a catfish. Well, I mean, I'm not going

675
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: to say that these people have the capacity to identify

676
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: a fish. By the way, Well, that's true. We we've

677
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: done stories about people that couldn't identify a giant sunfish

678
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: ocean sunfish in here before. So no, But I I

679
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: asked that because you know, you tied this to that

680
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: story we had last week about the two blue cats.

681
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: He said it was a on Wells. There's only a

682
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: twenty five pound blue cat, which is a much much

683
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: smaller mouth than what I mean. Wells have massive mouths.

684
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: But I looked at I mean, I saw pictures of fish.

685
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: It would be a stretch to get a full grown

686
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: duck in there. I mean it could happen, but be

687
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: a stretch. Yeah, I'm surprised that the guy who now

688
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: owns the catfish doesn't think that was probably probably like

689
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: ether more in there. I'll take them all, take every

690
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: single one of them. That's exactly what he was saying.

691
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't think you guys solve any problems,

692
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: but if you want to give me free catfish over well,

693
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: I think it goes without saying. You have never um

694
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: in the history of this podcast given me an easier transition,

695
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: because we're gonna go from invasive catfish in the UK

696
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: to invasive catfish right here in the USA. How about that. Furthermore,

697
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk flathead catfish, which are like super similar

698
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: to Wells They're like damn near our Wells catfish. So

699
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: this one's this one's kind of sort of local to

700
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: me and of interest to me personally. And from the

701
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: website of CBS Baltimore Headline, Cecil County man earns first

702
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: ever Maryland state fishing record for invasive flathead catfish and

703
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: this went down right after Christmas December. Angler Joshua Dixon

704
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Halt in this fifty seven pound fifty flathead while fishing

705
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: from shore on the Susquehanna River near a boat ramp

706
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: just north of the city of Havard or Grace, Okay.

707
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: And he says it took him thirty minutes to reel

708
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: this fish in, and he hooked it on his The

709
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: story says zoom swim bait, and I'm just gonna assume

710
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: that's my all time favorite zoom fluke is what they're

711
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: actually talking about their powerful. It's powerful, lord um. But

712
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: what that also tells me, regardless of the of the

713
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: bait model, is he was not using tackle men for

714
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: a fifty seven pound flathead, right. So that's impressive right there.

715
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: And he even says in the story for the first

716
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: for the first bit of the fight, he just thought

717
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: he was snagging a tree. So I can picture, like

718
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: the dude, you know, it's like walking backwards with your

719
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: rod behind you, just pulling straight, going on, Yeah, exactly,

720
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: point and pop it, trying to get unstuck, and all

721
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this beastmaster just goes ballistic and

722
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: he fights it for a half hour. But here is

723
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: what's fascinating to me. As long as the Susquehanna is right,

724
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: there's really not that much of it in Maryland, and

725
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: of the roughly twenty five miles that are in Maryland,

726
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: about half of them are below the Conna Wingo damn,

727
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: which is the first of several major dams going up

728
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: the Susquehanna. So where Dixon caught this fish is basically

729
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: the last little bit of river before it dumps into

730
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: the Chesapeake Bay. It's essentially the mouth of the river.

731
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: And according to this story, for a flathead to qualify

732
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: as a state record, it had to weigh a minimum

733
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: of forty pounds. Uh. And the Susquehanna, dude, I know,

734
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: it's rife with flatheads. They're invasive, huge problem. And in fact,

735
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: one of the craziest nights of fishing of my life

736
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: was on the Susquehanna a few falls ago. We literally

737
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: could not get four rods in the water for hours,

738
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think we caught a fish under twenty pounds,

739
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: and I think we had to over forty pounds, right,

740
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: And this was this is fifty miles up river from

741
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: where Dixon caught the fish and also behind several major dams.

742
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: So you know, forty pounder in the river in general,

743
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: it's not that uncommon, but I find it interesting that

744
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: nobody until now has weighed in a forty plus pounder

745
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: in Maryland waters right. And it doesn't mean they haven't

746
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: been caught there. It could just mean that nobody's weighed

747
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: one in there. And I might hear otherwise from listeners,

748
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: but I've not heard of the waters below that last damn,

749
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: the mouth of the river being a flathead hot spot,

750
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: like stretches are upstream, you know, which it just makes

751
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: you wonder, was this tank one that sort of slipped

752
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: over the damn years ago and it's just been sitting,

753
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, getting fat in the title zone, or or

754
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: they're more of these invasives in this part of the

755
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: river than people realize. And to me it it caught

756
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: my attention because it's one of those stories that kind

757
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: of tweaks the curiosity, like those old folk tales of

758
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: like a giant catfish or gar bass that lives below

759
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: the damn and like somebody saw it once, you know,

760
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: but nobody can ever catch it. Or you often hear

761
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: that while there aren't maybe many of a particular species

762
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: in tidal sections of a river, the ones that are

763
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: there are really massive, which makes them even even more

764
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: mysterious and elusive. Um, we see that here, we have

765
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: the Passaic and Jersey. They say there's massive pike in

766
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: the title section, but nobody's down there targeting them, so

767
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: you know, nobody really knows. And final, like final note

768
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: on this. People catch loads of flatheads on swim baits

769
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: out here, have friends that just like knock them dead

770
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: in the Susquehanna, the Delaware, the school and it has

771
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: never happened to me, And I wanted to, you know

772
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like every time I'm hucking smallmouth lords

773
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: and flathead water, I'm hoping it happens. Yet it never has.

774
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: And this dude throws the old zoom in the in

775
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: the middle of the winter from shore at a boat

776
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: ramp and the tide zone and smacks at seven. So

777
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: will you for like for like WALLYE or something. I

778
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: don't know what he was fishing for. I don't remember

779
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: because I read this story. I thought, I thought, I

780
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: thought I read that I don't know if there are

781
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: I've never fished there, so I don't know if they're

782
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: in there. Well, I mean no, there's plenty of walleye

783
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: in the Susquehanna, But again, like if you look at

784
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: where he is, it's I wouldn't even think that would

785
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: be a great walleye zone. We have walleye on the

786
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: Delaware here, but you don't hear many people targeting them

787
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: once you get down past the tideline, you know what

788
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Like the whole makeup of the river changes. No.

789
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: I could be I could be totally wrong about that,

790
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: but my memory of it was that he was like,

791
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: how was that walleye fishing with my with my zoom lure? Yea,

792
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: but I'm shocked knowing how many fish are in there,

793
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: even with not that much Susquehanna and Maryland that there

794
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: was no state record on the books. I mean, this

795
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: is not a new thing. I mean like there have

796
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: been giant flatheads in that river for a long time now.

797
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: So that was when when I saw this story. That

798
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: was the piece that I was like, Oh, not only

799
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: is this like they didn't this guy didn't break a record,

800
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: he created a record, and that just does it happen anymore?

801
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, Wow, that's a really interesting angle

802
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: in a cool story. But I had nothing else to

803
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: say about it. So I'm glad you picked it up

804
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: because you have you actually know that fishery, and you

805
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: actually have some things that you can round this out

806
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: and turn into a whole story. All I had was like,

807
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: well that's cool, but yeah, but that I'm doing the

808
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: same thing. I just like, you know, filled it with

809
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: more work. I basically just did what you did. I

810
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: just think it's cool, and I just I want to

811
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: I want to back up on because you said, like

812
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: they say that they're flatheads over here, but nobody rens.

813
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: They say they're big pike and lower pace, but nobody

814
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: really knows. Don't they do shocking surveys. No, not not

815
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: of not of the passaic. They don't. I can't. I

816
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: can't speak of you know, for for all the fisheries

817
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: that would would tie into that. But you know, it's

818
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: obviously it's a very East Coast thing. But it's true

819
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of the major rivers

820
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: that have title zones, you know, whatever their big thing

821
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: is flatheads, pike. Um, you know that there's some amount

822
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: that would naturally make it over the dam or go

823
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: hang out in the lower tidal reaches. But because now

824
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: you're in water where they're they're less easy to target

825
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: because the rivers also tend to be wide. They're right

826
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: like where we're talking about where he caught this on

827
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: the Susquehanna. I mean, damn, dude, it's almost a mile wide,

828
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean like it's it's not a it's

829
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: not like like a tiny little thing coming out. So

830
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: maybe in some places they do, but like, yeah, that's

831
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: like a thing my whole life here. Like even freshwater

832
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: species that start to mingle in the brackish areas, it's like,

833
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: oh man, there's some big ones in there. But snakeheads

834
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: same thing I've I've heard tales of, Like you want

835
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: a giant snakehead, you fish the brackish water down here.

836
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so wide and there's so much of

837
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: it's like where do you start. It's much harder in

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: those areas often to pinpoint like where do I even begin?

839
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: So it adds like a lot of mystery if you're

840
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: a tidal river guy. Man, I'm really glad you did

841
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: cover that. And I thought there would be the answer

842
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: that was like don't they don't they shocked? But no,

843
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's not that's something that happens here, but

844
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen every and I make about other other rivers,

845
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: or it's a possibility that a million people who target

846
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: flatheads in that piece of the river are just going damn, dude,

847
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: shut shut, Oh, I hate you so sorry if that's

848
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: the case, as you we're making it worse alright. So

849
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: for the second story, I'm gonna talk about grailing. So

850
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: you and I have swapped grailing stories in the past,

851
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: and and I know that we both agree that these

852
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: are just they're beautiful and they're they're they're interesting fish

853
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: for anybody who's anybody's confused right now. Grailing are a

854
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: cousin of trout and salmon that live in high latitude

855
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: rivers and lakes across Europe and North America. They're found

856
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: in Alaska, Siberia, and parts of Canada, and they were

857
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: they were once very common in the Upper Missouri River

858
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: system as well as various different places in Michigan, like

859
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: those are the kind of the two places in the

860
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: lower forty eight they used to be. And they're shaped

861
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: like a trout or a white fish. They've got that

862
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: that same fins structure and cylindrical body. But grailing, man,

863
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: they have this this such a unique coloring. They're just

864
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: they're iridescent right there. They're like they're kind of like

865
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: a gun metal gray with with a purple sheen and

866
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: the sparse black spotting and kind of black lines offsetting

867
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But the physical attribute that really defines

868
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: grailing is their massive dorsal fin. It just it raises

869
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: way up off their backs, and it's blue and green

870
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: and purple and sometimes fringed red or orange. They kind

871
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: of looked like a cross between a mountain whitefish and

872
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: a sail fish if I had to if I had

873
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: to describe them that way, um, if I had to

874
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: give give examples, if you watched the fur Hat Ice

875
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: Tour on on the YouTube's then you saw cal catch

876
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: one in episode two. And like I said, they used

877
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: to be common in certain parts of Lower forty eight,

878
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: but now they're pretty much gone. Grailing haven't been in

879
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: Michigan for over a century. Back in the late eight hundreds,

880
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: grailing defied mind sport fishing in Michigan, Like anglers flocked

881
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: to places like the Upper Para Marquette just to catch grailing.

882
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: And we're not talking like twenty fish days. We're talking

883
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: two hundred fish days it was loaded. And yeah, which

884
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: is kind of to say that the grailing sort of

885
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: fit the stereotype that many of us have about models, right,

886
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: They're they're very attractive, but they're not known for a

887
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: for a dazzling intellect, shall we say, like, that's what's

888
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: so great about him? Though, I know, I know, dude,

889
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: and and and when I was guiding in Alaska, because

890
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: we had tons of them up there, Like if you

891
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: had clients that were just they just couldn't get it done,

892
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: like they were totally inept, you'd go catch grailing and

893
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: it didn't matter. You could stand there just dragging a

894
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: bare hook in the water and you'd catch grailing if

895
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: you're in the right spot. And that that quality of

896
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: them is part of what led to their downfall in Michigan.

897
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: Over harvest combined with habitat degradation from logging and then

898
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: the introduction of highly aggressive and competitive and rainbow and

899
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: brown trout just wiped them out. And it happened fast,

900
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: like they were everywhere and then they were gone. And

901
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: again we're talking well over a hundred years ago that

902
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: this happened, and so people have been trying to re

903
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: establish grailing populations in Michigan since nineteen thirty six without

904
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 1: any demonstrated success at all. Zero And some people would

905
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: argue it's time to give up, like we gave it

906
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: the old college try and if we haven't figured it

907
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: out in eighty years, it's probably not gonna happen. But

908
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: I am not one of those people. Uh, And and

909
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: neither are the fisheries biologists who work and and run

910
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: the hatchery and Marquette Michigan. They think they may have

911
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: found a way to reintroduce these fish that might actually work.

912
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Like in the past biologists would would Uh, they would

913
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: just take grailing of different sizes like they played with

914
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: different size grailing and just dump them in the rivers

915
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and hope they came back. But then they wouldn't just disappear.

916
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: And so the theory goes that grailing imprints so strongly

917
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: on the places where they hatch that they will not

918
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: spawn anywhere else. Right, So if you raise a grailing

919
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: in a hatchery, it doesn't matter to what size, and

920
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: then you put it in a stream, it just won't reproduce.

921
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: It can't figure it out again, not that smart because

922
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: it can never get back to the place where it

923
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: was hatched. So it just doesn't I have a question

924
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: about that that you may address. I may or may not.

925
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: I may not have the answer. Are they raising them

926
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: in the water from the streams? They're putting them in?

927
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: Here we go. So the researchers are borrowing a technique

928
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: that was actually pioneered here in Montana, and I have

929
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: some follow up. We have time for that. Uh. And

930
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: so what they do is they place fertilized eggs in

931
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: buckets inside streams, and the buckets have holes cut in

932
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: them in the up and downstream sides so the water

933
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: can flow through, and they have removable mesh to keep

934
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: the eggs in and predators out. And once the eggs hatch,

935
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,959
Speaker 1: researchers just pull out the mesh. The tiny fish swim

936
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: out of the streams, fully imprinted on their home river

937
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: and as close to wild as hatchery fish can possibly get. Now,

938
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a few years before we know if

939
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: this works because because they had to bring in grailing

940
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: from Alaska to start the broodstock in the hatchery, and

941
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: so once they have a healthy and genetically diverse broodstock,

942
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: then they'll collect eggs that are you know, that are

943
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: already fertilized, and they'll plant them in wild streams and

944
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: rivers and wait to see if those fish mature and

945
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: and start spawning on their own. So success Like, whether

946
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: or not this works, it's it's a long way off.

947
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: But if it does work, like we're talking about re

948
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: establishing a game fish that's been gone since Grover Cleveland

949
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: was in office. I mean, what, we can't really harken

950
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: back to good old Grover very often, and we're gonna

951
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: get back to those days. So I mean, I don't know,

952
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: but I'm hopeful on this one. I hope this one works.

953
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: I really do. I think it would be amazing. I

954
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: I love grailing right. In fact, the last time I

955
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: fish from a couple of summers ago um it was

956
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: up in Fairbanks, and I asked the guy. I was like,

957
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: can I throw a mouse the whole time? Like, well,

958
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 1: they eat that? And he was like yeah, and that's

959
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: what I did, and they will. Literally it doesn't really matter.

960
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: But so I interjected there with the water question, I

961
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: have to say, man, why is it taken this long

962
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: to try this technique? And look, I'm not super well

963
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: versed in the whole, but I knew that that was

964
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: a thing that happened, because I feel like that technique

965
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: has been happening a lot of other places in the

966
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: country for like decades. That's just what you do. Like,

967
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's relatively new, and I can only

968
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: speak to that because an ex girlfriend of mine, as

969
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: part of her PhD work, uh, was one of the

970
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: people who first used that technique out here in Montana

971
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: West Slope cutthroat. And the reason that it hasn't been

972
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: done is because it's incredibly incredibly hard, like it it

973
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: It requires a lot of work. It's one thing to

974
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: just raise little fish in a hatchery, take them someplace

975
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: and dump them and walking away. Yea. In this you

976
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: gotta like set up these rearing stations up in high

977
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: mountain streams or other places. You gotta build them, you

978
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: gotta monitor them, you gotta keep going back in there.

979
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of work, and you have to

980
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: carry all that stuff depending on where you are, sometimes

981
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: like into the back country. So the reason why it's

982
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: it hasn't been done before, I'm guessing is because it's

983
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: really expensive and really hard. Yeah. Well, and then again

984
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: that's my ignorance, right, I thought that was like a

985
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: common thing. I don't know the ins and outs, but

986
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: thinking back to it, I actually think we talked here

987
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: once about me catching tiny Atlantic salmon smolts in Connecticut,

988
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm fairly certain they did the same thing

989
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: with that program. They tried to raise them in that water,

990
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: and that that didn't work out super hot either. So

991
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to see this work, but how

992
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: much does the sporting community benefit from it? I feel

993
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: like at this point it's just sort of us going like,

994
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: oh man, we really screwed that one up. They were

995
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: always here, so we want to have them back. But

996
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, then what do we do with regulation on them?

997
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: Like up in Alaska? The first time I ever fished

998
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: in Alaska, I caught one and I like treated it

999
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: like gold and then found out by the end of

1000
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: the trip that like, now there's so many of them

1001
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: you can kill like twenty a day, like nobody nobody cares,

1002
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: like they eat them and it's they're delicious. Yeah, you

1003
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: can kill the gil you can't. You can't kill the rainbows,

1004
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: but you can kill the grailing in the Bristol Bay

1005
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: area exactly. So you know, then then what do we

1006
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: do with them? Like, you know, do you think that

1007
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be like a draw for that or is

1008
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: this just more to to to re establish what was?

1009
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: I think it's more of the ladder um. I think

1010
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: your question about like does this benefit the sporting community,

1011
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: You're you're asking if the even the fishing community is

1012
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: is a monolith and in agreement. And the answer to

1013
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: that is no, we aren't. Some people are like, screw it,

1014
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: I prefer brown trout and steelhead. I don't care if

1015
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: their native put all your money into them, right, and

1016
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: and are those people wrong. I'm not gonna say they're wrong,

1017
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: but those fish didn't used to be there, and the

1018
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: right right exactly like, and I'm not gonna I'm not

1019
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: trying to wait into that particular argument like well are

1020
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: we trying to go back to something doesn't exist? I'm

1021
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: merely saying for me, I think this is an iconic

1022
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: and interesting fish. I hope this works. And unless they

1023
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: have another really good idea, maybe this should. Maybe we

1024
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: move on after this. I don't know, but I can

1025
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: say that this technique has worked with with West Slope

1026
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: cut throat here in Montana, So for whatever that's worth. Yeah,

1027
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: And and we'll move on from it. But I mean

1028
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: that's the other thing to a lot of these rivers

1029
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: that they're talking about in Michigan, in particular, when those

1030
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: grailing we're thriving didn't have Pacific salmon and steelhead running

1031
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: up them either, you know, so you also have to

1032
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: factor in that there rivers ain't what they were and

1033
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: in old grovers or not. I have not much of

1034
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: a transition other than I took a note here that

1035
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: you you refer to them as gun metal gray, which

1036
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of transitions in a weird way into this quirky

1037
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: one from the website of Live science dot com. The

1038
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: headline sucked me right in and it is eight times

1039
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: Nature was totally metal. Oh my gosh, Nature's metal has

1040
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: become part of like the cultural conversation on Instagram account

1041
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: has changed anyway, go ahead, And the funniest thing to

1042
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: me about this is that this this list actually in

1043
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: a way reflects just how shitty was, because there are

1044
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: some really cool things in here that I don't recall

1045
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: hearing a peep about, probably because there was a lot

1046
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: more other sucky, less cool ship like clogging up the

1047
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: news all year, um. But just to rattle off few,

1048
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: there was a dazzling show of lightning shooting out of

1049
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: a volcano in the Philippines, a species of cannibalistic dinosaur uncovered,

1050
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: and the discovery of a fossil depicting a squid and

1051
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: a fish locked in a death match. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1052
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: so but the one that grabbed me, which I have

1053
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: no recollection of whatsoever, was slugged in the story an

1054
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: eel goes alien and we suck at our job. Because

1055
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: this this happened in Delaware just this past November, and

1056
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing this at all. An amateur photographer

1057
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: captured this series of photos of a great blue heron

1058
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: with what they originally thought was a quote snake eel,

1059
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: which isn't a real thing, and they figured that out

1060
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: later too, But they thought it was a snake eel

1061
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: biting and latched onto the bird's upper chest slash lower

1062
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: neck region. Uh. And apparently this heron was flying and

1063
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: walking around completely unbothered by a pretty damn big eel

1064
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: dangling from its chest, while upon further study, it turned

1065
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: out to be an American eel duck, because there's no

1066
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: such thing as a snake heel that had burst through

1067
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: the chest cavity of the bird. In other words, the

1068
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: photo of me right right. So they originally thought the

1069
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: head was grabbing the chest, it was attached by the tail.

1070
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: The head end was hanging down. Uh, and it was

1071
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: stuck and it looks exact actually like a chess burster

1072
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: from the Aliens Total movie franchise, right. Uh. And it

1073
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: seems the eel was dead and again the bird was unfaced.

1074
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of shots of this, and no one

1075
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: is sure what happened to the bird. But I'd love

1076
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: to know the scenario because American eels they don't exactly

1077
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: have teeth like a more, but they do have teeth

1078
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: and they are very widely So I wonder like, did

1079
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: this heron grab the eel head first and did it

1080
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: like literally nibble a hole in its torso while being

1081
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: swallowed or did it exploit a small hole the bird

1082
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: already had from another injury. Um, this is actually a

1083
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: pretty big food item for a heron. It's I mean,

1084
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: it's a big heel. It's it's not tiny, but regardless,

1085
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: it's it's freaking disturbing. Like the shots are really disturbing. Um,

1086
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: So I'll throw a shot of that in Today's instant story.

1087
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: But that's really it. That's all I got. I just

1088
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how we missed that one, and it's

1089
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,439
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the most disturbing nature images I've

1090
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: ever seen. Yeah, that that shot is crazy, and I

1091
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know how we missed either. We we do suck

1092
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: at our jobs, particular least since you know, I did

1093
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of coverage on American needles, both on the

1094
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: show and on the website, and I love those things

1095
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: in the sense that I think they're just really interesting,

1096
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: although creepy and alien looking. So check that one out.

1097
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: And if anybody has the answer or figures out the

1098
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: answer to what did happen there? I really want to know. Yeah,

1099
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: we have Christmas tree people who chime in, right, we

1100
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: gotta have some bird people, you know what I mean?

1101
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: But how the heron is so unfazed as it seems

1102
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: to be and it's flying around it it's got a

1103
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: giant eel hanging out of its neck? So phil giant

1104
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: eels hanging out of necks? Okay? Uh? What? What? What more?

1105
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: Fishing scaring children? Why? Why woul't we come to the

1106
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: end of this even though we just eating fish? That's right,

1107
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: record Catfish. We always come to the end of news

1108
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: and even though we've just done all this, like have

1109
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: a hard time recalling what the hell we just talked about. Uh, Phil,

1110
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: you were probably listening though, so we'll hear what Phil

1111
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: asked to say and then move on to another epic

1112
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: Smooth Moves. Miles Nulty like the nick variety. Wow, I

1113
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: got it, um Miles. Considering you say your own name

1114
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: at the top of every podcast, and I have heard

1115
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: every podcast. This is the epitome of embarrassment. You're one

1116
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: of my favorite colleagues. So I just want to say

1117
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart that I apologize and

1118
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: guess what, You're the winner. Now. If you're asking yourself

1119
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: if you really earned this, or if it's just my

1120
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: way of saying sorry, don't worry about it. Why Why

1121
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Smooth Moves. It's the part of the

1122
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 1: show where we call up guides and outfitters and charter

1123
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: captains and you know, people who make their living and

1124
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: earn their beer money taking other people fishing, and we

1125
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: get to tell us some kind of ridiculous story about

1126
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: something the clients have done. Today. We have my good

1127
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: friend Hillary Hutchinson, who I don't get to see very

1128
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: often except in these weird little fake zoom like spaces.

1129
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: But uh, but one of these days again we will

1130
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: go fishing. Hillary. How's it going. It's going great. Yeah,

1131
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that time. I would love to

1132
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: have you on the boat soon. Oh man, how's how's

1133
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: your guide season? It was weird, It was sooner weird.

1134
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: It was great. Um yeah, it was weird because in

1135
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: the beginning it was so bizarre, like there were I

1136
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: think one day, I had twenty three cancelations in one day, um,

1137
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: in like April for June, so basically all of j

1138
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: was just canceled. Yeah, because yeah, I'm up here at

1139
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: Glacier National Park and they had announced that the park

1140
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: wasn't going to open at the time they thought it

1141
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: was gonna open. So yeah, twenty three cancelations in one

1142
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: day and just like freaking out. But then suddenly everybody

1143
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: rediscovered the outdoors, I guess, and suddenly, oh yeah I

1144
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: have so it like all filled like within the next day.

1145
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: So it was like super high high and low low

1146
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: and like super weird. So then from then on it's

1147
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: been every single day all of June. Um, July, August, September,

1148
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: October has been busier than ever, so super strange and

1149
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: just weird COVID stuff all summer long, you know. So,

1150
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like the perfect storm of different

1151
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: factors coming together to set you up for some strange occurrences,

1152
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: which is why you're here to tell us about one

1153
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: of those strange occurrences. So let it lay it on us.

1154
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: What do you got for the for the smooth move?

1155
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how long this trends. I mean, it's

1156
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: trend has been going on forever and ever and ever,

1157
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: but it's a growing trend of having like these um

1158
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: corporate execs get sent out to go fly fishing to

1159
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: somehow relieve a bunch of stress. Like their board was like,

1160
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: you are on the verge of killing people, we have

1161
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: to like send you to Fontana they fly fishing, and

1162
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: they they see fly fishing is like something it's going

1163
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: to chill them out or something that's gonna, you know,

1164
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: make them calm. I think they think of it as

1165
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: like some serene, peaceful kind of thing. Well as everybody knows,

1166
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: like if you've never done this before and you're from

1167
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: like Manhattan and haven't been like out West at all,

1168
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: you're getting thrown to the wolves. This has been happening,

1169
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: you know, a fair amount a lot where we get

1170
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: these people who are highly stressed, and I get this

1171
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: woman and she is the most amazing, remarkable woman of

1172
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, she is fabulous. She is like

1173
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: was a National Merit Scholar, Rhodes Scholar from the University

1174
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: of Oxford. She's like a Wall Street exec. She's a multimillionaire.

1175
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: She is like the consummate banquisher. She is the ruler

1176
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: of all Wall Street. She's just this fantastic and I

1177
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: am in awe. She's like only twenty eight years old.

1178
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: She's super fit, she's gorgeous, the most beautiful woman I

1179
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: have ever seen, and she's got this like aura of

1180
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: just like ruling the world. And also very nice. She

1181
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: was very cool. She brought like this super high end

1182
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: bourbon for me, and she's like, you know, at one

1183
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: point she smoked a cigar and she was wrapped like

1184
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: she was the coolest, smartest, millionaire, most fantastic person ever.

1185
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: And she was witty, funny. She caught onto fishing, she

1186
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: fished her ass off. She was fantastic in every way,

1187
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: and it was super weird because she's feeding me like,

1188
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, this bourbon, and she's like drinking cappuccino and

1189
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: she's like and I'm drinking water, and I'm like, I

1190
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: gotta pee. So I kept having to pull over, say

1191
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: do you need potty breaks? She's like, no, I'm good.

1192
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: So I'd go off into the woods, go pee, come back.

1193
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: We go down the river. She's fishing, she's amazing. I'm

1194
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: in awe and there's like light shining all around her.

1195
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, I gotta pee, and I'd pull

1196
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: over to get off side of the boat. Go pee.

1197
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: Do you have to be Nope, she didn't have pe.

1198
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: And the whole time, I'm like Scotch, she don't even

1199
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: have to pee. She's drinking bourbon, she's drinking coffee, she's

1200
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: drinking water. She didn't pe all day long. No pee

1201
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: from this woman. She's not paying at all, And I'm like, amazing.

1202
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: So she must have been so dehydrated. Her body is

1203
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: absorbing all of the liquids as I'm getting off the

1204
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: boat every five minut So then end of the trip

1205
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: and we get to take out and there's porta potty

1206
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: at the takeout. She finally gets off the boat, goes

1207
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: with porta potty, and I was like, oh, she really

1208
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: held it all day long, after drinking this whiskey, after

1209
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: drinking all this water, coffee, everything, I'm like super impressed.

1210
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: She's in there for two seconds. She comes back with

1211
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: plastic grocery sack, hands it to me, asked me to

1212
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: throw it away. No big deal. We get to the

1213
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: company and she gets in her fancy car. She gave

1214
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: me a giant tip. We exchange the information. She I

1215
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my gosh, I love you. You're

1216
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: the best person ever. And then I go to clean

1217
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: up my trip and I'm taking out the trash and

1218
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: I see this like garbage bag she had given me

1219
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: to throw away. And I don't know why. I can't

1220
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: just look the other way, but I had to look

1221
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: in the bag depends adult diaper, all the fullest of

1222
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: full depends. And this girl, she was like my idol

1223
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: in every way. She was just the coolest chick ever,

1224
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: and all day long, she was pissing her pants all

1225
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: day long. And here I am the total sucker, like

1226
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: she had to me she was. And I think, I

1227
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: don't know if like there's like a blog went out

1228
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: and like Manhattan Outdoors or something like that. That was

1229
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: this hack, like go out west Peter pants. You know, Um,

1230
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: but I've heard of this exact story almost exactly the same,

1231
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: where like some corporate exact comes out and they don't

1232
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: want to be in the woods and that's their hat.

1233
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: They're using adult diapers. And this is not to say

1234
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: that it is a bad thing to use depends. You know,

1235
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: lots of people wear them. This was just so unexpected

1236
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: from this particular demographic that blew my mind. Blew my mind.

1237
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: She doesn't have an incontinence problem. This was a choice. Yeah, yeah,

1238
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: so you think this was almost like a hack, Like

1239
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: there was a memo like for city folk going out there,

1240
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: like if you don't want to lower yourself to urinating

1241
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: in the woods, throw on some depends, right, Or if

1242
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: they're afraid of you know, bears are like how do

1243
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: you even do it? What? What do you do? Like

1244
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: if if that's just like, you know, a big mystery

1245
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: and something they don't want to have to deal with,

1246
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I was thinking the same thing, like, well, god,

1247
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: if I have to go to Manhattan and go on

1248
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: the subway and maybe I'll just wear depends like I

1249
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: would rather. I would rather wear depends. Having worked in

1250
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: Manhattan for many years, I would much rather where it

1251
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: depends than than use the restrooms at say Penn Station.

1252
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking. I've been in there, and I've

1253
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: seen some things that you don't you can't un and

1254
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: she's probably not expecting that I would look in there

1255
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: and I mean this this diaper was heavy, heavy, and

1256
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm I don't, I mean, because I really like this person.

1257
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was number one or number two,

1258
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: but it made me think. It made me think throughout

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Speaker 1: the day. I'm like, maybe I thought she was laughing

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01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: at my jokes. She was actually just taking a giant dult.

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: I feel like if we were going to turn that

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: into an instructional, it would have to be titled how

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: to soil yourself with class and Dignity. Thanks, It's like,

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Speaker 1: crap my pants. I love our low humor um speaking

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: of class of dignity. Trying to salvage this one, Joe

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: is gonna gonna close the gap here for us, bringing

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Speaker 1: the show full circle back to those trout magnets and

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Speaker 1: uh and this one is by request, do you have

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01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: that rent? Yes it is. This is our first end

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Speaker 1: of the line by listener request. And what prompted um

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: the dirt bag comment was a bunch of social media

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: posts from earlier this winner of trout right, that I

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01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: was catching on trout magnets, which I love, and I

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01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: had an outpouring of request for a trout magnet and

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01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: the line segment, and it seems many people are in

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: the know on this lore. I'm many others are magnet

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01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: curious or have not harnessed their full power, such as

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: Miles here. So listen up, because I'm about to scool

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: you on why the trout magnet could be the glue

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: okay that locks together the hands of fly and conventional

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: trout bums as they sing Heal the World. Well, that's

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01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: not loud enough. The trout magnet is the brainchild of

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01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: Jeff Smith and Todd Garner, two buds from West Virginia

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01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: that started tinkering with bait making in Jeff's garage in

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: the Es, eventually forming the company Leland's Loures. Now. During

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01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: that tinkering, a pivotal piece of kid emerged a plastic

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01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: mold designed to make cake decorations. It was Smith who

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: figured out that he could also use this mold with

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01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: soft plastic, and what he ended up creating was the

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01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: earliest version of the trout magnet, which he'd spend the

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: next few years refining into what many consider the most

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: oton versatile trout lawer ever made. Now it was unleashed

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01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: upon the masses thanks to a fateful encounter with a

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: Walmart big shot that Jeff took fishing and who subsequently

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: got to witness the power of the magnet firsthand. So

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: what is this mythical trout magnet. In simplest terms, it's

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: a soft plastic meal worm. The body is segmented, slightly tapered,

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01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: It features a split tail, and measures just a hair

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: over an inch. By the way, they're not sented. Okay,

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01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: this is not power bait. This little fake meal worm, however,

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01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: is pretty worthless without its unique head. Trout magnets come

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: with itty bitty one ounced jig heads that East Coasters

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,440
Speaker 1: might recognize as tiny baby shad darts. The head is conical,

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01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: but sliced off diagonally at the front to create a

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01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: sloping face. When the head and body harmonize, Smith and

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: Garner's genius reveal itself unlike other jigs, say a curly

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: tail grub or a hair jig that will always fall

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: nose down. A trout magnet falls horizontally or flat, as

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: fishing people like to say, when paired with a tiny float.

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01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: It also hangs perfectly horizontally below it, showing off its

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: full profile at all times. Now, finally, that sloped jighead

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: face naturally deflects water, which makes a trout magnet most

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01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: effective when you do nothing at all with it. Whenever

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: I post a shot of a mag in a trout's face,

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: people ask me how you work in that thing, man,

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: and the answer is I'm not. Now, I've had great

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01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 1: success casting a trout magnet by itself on an ultra

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: light rod and twitching it back. That works very well,

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: But that's not really how these lures were designed to

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01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: be fished. Your job is just to create a drag

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: free drift, letting your little trout magnet float slip down

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: a seam or through pool without dragging. The current does

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: the rest pushing on that shad dart head, making the

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01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: lower twitch quiver and flash ever so slightly as it

1325
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: rides down the lane, and there is nary a trout

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01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: or greatly steelhead, by the way, that can resist when

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01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: the presentation is right. So if you just said to yourself, oh,

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01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: it's just nymphing with a spinning rod, you'd be correct,

1329
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,839
Speaker 1: which is why my blood boils when I get looks

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: of shame from fly guys or worse, your o nymphs. Okay,

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01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: I got many of these looks just a few weeks

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Speaker 1: ago on what is arguably in New Jersey's most famed

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01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: piece of trout conservation water. Euro nymphing is trout magnet

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: fishing without a spinning rod. Okay, I mean our strike

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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 1: indicators were the same size, and both of our reels

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,879
Speaker 1: were spooled with straight moto as far as I'm concerned,

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: yet I was still the assholes, somehow not worthy of

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01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: a nod or a hello as we cross paths on

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01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: a river trail. But you know why that's okay, because

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: there was a time in my life when I was

1341
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: that guy too, And then I got over myself and

1342
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 1: realized I didn't really care how I was catching trout anymore,

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: as long as I was catching them, even if that

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: meant putting a trout magnet on a fly rod, which

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: to me, frankly isn't dirty because it weighs as much

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: as a big stone fly nymph and is made from

1347
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: pretty much the same material as a squirmy wormy, which

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: most people seem to accept as flies. Luckily, though, trout

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01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: magnets are available in a huge amount of colors, many

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01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: of which match natural aquatic forage. I mean, hell, you

1351
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: can even opt for a matte black jighead so you

1352
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: don't run the risk of being called a cheater by

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: incorporating flash. Now, if I'm being totally honest these days,

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: if I am forced into a situation where nymph ng

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01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: is the smartest or only game in town, particularly in

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01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: the winter around here in the Northeast, I just assume

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: fishing trout magnet on a spinning rod. And if I'm

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: fishing a trout magnet on a spinning rod, it's usually

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01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 1: classic meal worm, gold stocker, rainbows, crush, hot, pink, peach

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01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: and red are good too, but then wild buttery browns

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01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: love that gold baby. Final note, trout magnets are also

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01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: dirt cheap. For ten bucks, you can square yourself a

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 1: hundred piece of kit, including seven of the most productive

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,520
Speaker 1: body colors and a selection of those shad dart jigheads

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: in all the colors available. Ten bucks roughly buys five nymphs,

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: give or take just saying the kit comes in a

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01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: sleek little box that takes up very little room in

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: your flambeaux like four tackle bag, or it can be

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01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: easily and discreetly concealed in a Sims freestone ambidextrous fishing

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: sling pack. Well, that just about concludes our peace, harmony

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01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: and together in this episode. If you're now thinking about

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01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 1: shaving your head, wearing flowing robes and handing out inspirational

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: pamphlets at the airport, make sure to include the following points. Mike,

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: I can really love zebra muscles. Yes, Tom Rosenbauer is

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01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: secretly judging your stupid questions. Trout magnets work exactly as advertised.

1376
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 1: And Hillary Hutchinson's idol peas or pants. If petting your

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: pants is cool, consider me. Miles Davis, thanks for spending

1378
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 1: some time with us, as always, keeps sending those bar nominations,

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01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: salban items, awkward photos all the other things we ask

1380
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,440
Speaker 1: you for to bent at the meat eator dot com.

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: Tell us would you like tell us what you hate?

1382
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: Tell us what we got wrong, because that happens sometimes

1383
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: and just you know, how you doing. Yeah, we appreciate

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 1: each and every one of you degenerates, so long as

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: you're not the person leaving empty worm containers on the

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: bank of my favorite trout hole, because that guy