WEBVTT - Patriots Draft Prospect Review Quarterbacks 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.440 This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.800 Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.760 Review podcast is your source for all the latest news 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.000 and information on the NFL Draft, the New England Patriots 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.400 now here to preview the quarterbacks, the writers of Patriots 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.280 dot Com and I'm gonna be a little bit more specific. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.599 It's Mike Dusseau, Evan Lazarre in us truly Paul Parola 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.880 for the Draft Prospect Review, where we review preview the 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.360 prospects in the two thousand and twenty three NFL Draft. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.440 And as always, Evan, this is your first go around here. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.800 We always start with the quarterbacks because that's all anybody 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.600 cares about except for you. UM. I don't know about 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.520 you guys, but I have my eye on Bryce Young. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.040 I think this guy might might be okay too, he 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.600 might I think he might be picked up hie in 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.960 this draft. Um, it's a classic deuce. UM. I don't 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.320 know who's this, Levi's guy. So UM, just just to 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.560 sort of recap the the top of this draft with 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.640 the quarterbacks, looks like at least four in the first round, 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.759 and some people are talking about Hendon Hooker. Um, sort 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.640 of rising up the charts as well. But we want 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.600 to talk first, Bob, want to get your thoughts, you 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.560 guys on Bryce Young and C J. Stroud Alabama Ohio 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.640 State blue blood programs. Um your thoughts, which one is better? Mike? 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:30.960 You got well, I mean, and you know it's as 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:32.600 we joke about it, but this is I don't really 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.000 watch college football until we get to to January. And 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.800 I know Evan says the same thing, but then somehow, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.640 like day two, Evan is like, yeah, I know all 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.200 these guys instantly, but it's a process for me, so 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.200 which I think I kind of like because I don't 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.520 really come to it with any you know, preconceived notions. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.640 But uh, you know, jumping into Bryce Young, I thought, 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.320 just a phenomenal athlete. To me, That's what stood out 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.280 to me, just overall the guy. I know, we can 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.560 talk about his size, but I think he has everything 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.800 else to me, and just you know, I don't want 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.640 to compare him to Aaron Rodgers, but when I see 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.240 how athletic Aaron Rodgers of a guy and just a 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.760 natural kind of quarterback, that's what I saw with Bryce Young. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.680 His ability move in the pocket a little bit get 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.400 the ball out, has the athleticism when he needs it. 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.360 Like you said, it's just the size thing that's the question. 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.160 But I think overall for the game today, he can 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.799 do pretty much everything. It's just a question of, you know, 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.160 how well is he gonna hold up? Is he going 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.000 to be able to move in the pocket in the 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.200 NFL and avoid those big hits that you know might 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.160 cause some problems with his frame. But otherwise I think 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.359 he's a fantastic player and just a dynamic athlete fund 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.600 to watch. Yeah, I agree with all that. I think 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.000 the biggest thing that stands out about Bryce Young to 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.880 me is that last year at Alabama, their supporting cast 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.680 wasn't as good as it normally is. His production didn't 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.280 drop off. He was still just as good as he 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.680 was the year previously, throwing two guys that or not 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.520 these you know, Jamison Williams DeVante Smith type prospects that 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.520 we've seen some of the Alabama quarterbacks of the past. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.760 I think when you compare him to see J. Stroud, 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.560 that might be something that Bryce Young has in his 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.360 cap that CJ. Strout can't necessarily say. You know, CJ. 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.000 Stroud goes out there and He's throwing a Marvin Harrison 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.040 junior and Jackson Smith and Jigba and behind a great 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.359 offensive line that has two tackles that are probably gonna 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.440 get drafted in the first forty picks of the draft. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.079 He's got an absolutely loaded supporting cast. Whereas Bryce Young, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.560 I think I really needed to carry his team a 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.200 little bit more last year than any of these other 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:25.280 guys besides maybe Will Levis. So I would give that 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.000 kudos to Bryce Young, especially because he's going into the 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.680 draft and he's gonna go to a team that's not 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.920 going to have a picture perfect scenario for a quarterback, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.560 and he's already shown that he can at least hang 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.560 without all star talent around him. But Stroud in terms 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.720 of accuracy down the field and his ability to make 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.480 throws in the pocket, I think is the best quarterback 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.400 in the draft just from that pure standpoint, and you 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.800 saw that at the combine. He put on an absolute 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.400 show in his throwing session. But his ability to throw 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.600 a touch, timing, anticipation, accuracy, all those types of things, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.040 especially between the numbers, is exceptional. And then you also 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.080 look at his tape against Georgia and just forget about it, 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.680 I mean, that was just an unbelievable quarterback performance against 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.400 the best defense in college football. So both guys have 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.960 a lot to really like about them. But if you're 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.839 looking at their NFL projection, I would lean Stroud maybe 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.240 a little bit more than Bryce Young. But I do 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.880 have concerns about some of these other quarterbacks. The one 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.120 here included that we're playing with all of these tools 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.760 around them and then going to the NFL and playing 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.919 in muddy pockets, playing without elite wide receiver talent, Like, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.320 how do you look in that environment? And that's going 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.280 to be a little bit of an adjustment. Yeah, I 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.480 like both of these guys as well. I'm with you, guys. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.640 I would probably lean Stroud a little bit just because 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.919 of the obvious cliche. I mean, he's more of the 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.880 prototypical NFL size. And I really the point that Evan 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:55.520 made about the National semifinal against Georgia that happened to 0:04:55.640 --> 0:05:00.599 Georgia really once in two years and is that night, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.480 And I give Stroud a lot of credit for that. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.320 I think he was. He was outstanding that night. Um 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.760 will Levis and Anthony Richardson both also projected to go 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.320 in the first round. Um interesting kind of guys. Levice 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.120 At you know, kind of a physical marvel. I mean, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.960 has a canon for an arm. Um makes a lot 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.960 of mistakes, mistake prone, So that's that's the drawback on him. 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.720 Richardson is also a kind of a project in that um, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.760 you know as size. Obviously a lot of running ability, 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.279 dual threat guy, Um, a lot of speed, big arm 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.279 quote make can make all the throws. But you look 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.880 and he's you know, down in the in the mid 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.279 fifties for completion percentage. So some projections there. I didn't 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.240 want to spend too much time just I wanted to 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.560 obviously talk about Young and Stroud because they're clearly, uh, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.080 you know, the top of this draft. Um. I wanted 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.400 to get some opinions first. I'll ask both of you guys, 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.320 do you think the Patriots will select a quarterback in 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.120 this draft? I think later, I think later on as 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.440 we get to some of those later guys. I don't 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.080 know about earlier on. I didn't mean. I didn't mean 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.440 it fourteen okay, making sure that um, but both those guys, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.320 I think it's, uh, it's kind of like a cold 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.880 play kick. We're gonna try to We're gonna try to 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.800 fix you. I think like Josh Allen is now probably 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.880 like the model of you know, hey, we can get 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.360 these guys with all the traits, the size, the arm everything, 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.080 physically walking off the bus looks like an NFL quarterback. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.039 And uh, you know, I just I think that you 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.600 gotta be a little bit cautious about that. I think 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.520 Josh Allen's a little bit of a unique story. I 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.640 don't think that it's so easy to just you know, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.640 strap these guys in and and all right, we're gonna 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.640 teach them how to you know, take the checkdowns and 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.479 you know, make the easy plays and you know, have 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.760 that short accuracy and get getting the ball out quick 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.560 that that you need to do. So um, both are 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.560 just impressive, huge dudes. I mean Richardson looking at him 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.720 at the combine, I mean he just you know, it's 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.200 like he sculpted from Since Mike's not listening to my questions, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.000 do you think the Patriots will select a quarterback in 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.680 this draft yet? Know? Somewhere I'm gonna go on my 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.480 Anthony Richardson, No, you don't know. I don't thank you. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.200 One of those guys is going to be available. Pots 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.520 might be you're interesting. I think it might be off 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.400 the board by the fourth pick in the draft. Yeah, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:11.000 I mean, that guy's phenomenal. But in terms of your question, yes, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.239 I do think the Patriots should and will draft another 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.200 quarterback because every single time he talks about Mac Jones, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.200 Bill Belichick sounds less sold every single time we hear 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.960 from him. And if you really are not all in 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.480 on the guy that you already have, then you've got 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.240 to keep throwing darts at the board. And I'm not 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.760 necessarily saying that they're going to take a quarterback in 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.120 the top one hundred. I think that's a little bit rich, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.040 but around where they took Bailey Zappy last year and 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.600 Day three, fourth round, I think that that's where we're 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.480 looking at another quarterback. And I think a lot of 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.720 people are asking, well, why when you have Mac Jones 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.920 and then you've already hedged it with Bailey Zappy. But 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.520 I think somebody that I'm sure some of the guys 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.800 will talk about that are a little bit more athletic, 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.800 that can create a little bit more out of structure, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.200 that have a little bit more arm talent than the 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.520 two guys that they already have on the ross to 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.880 kind of round out their their talent pool at that position. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.360 You got the pocket passers, you got the timing guys, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.680 the accuracy guys. Maybe somebody that brings a little bit 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.280 more of that Jalen Hurt type of skill set to 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.520 the table. Wouldn't necessarily Hurt. We'll talk about dtr from 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.800 you know, UCLA. It's a guy we've talked about plenty 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.800 in the predat process. Was out at the Shrine Bowl 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.600 with all the coaches, and I mean it's everything Evan said. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.240 I mean, not the biggest guy, certainly, not a prototypical 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:31.080 body type, but an arm like a cannon, you know, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:33.360 and has that athleticism. And I might not look at 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.760 urience to a lot of games under his belt, five 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.600 year starter, and I look at it just as even 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.000 if you're not talking about trying to compete with Mac 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.040 for the starting position, it's a guy on the roster 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:43.720 that can maybe help you prepare for some of these 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.679 mobile quarterbacks that have given you such a hard time 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.440 over the last few years. So there's that element to it, 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.160 you know. Jake Hayner from the Senior Bowl was another one. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.920 You know, just these mid round guys that your thoughts 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.720 on Jake Hayner in particular, he was one of the 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.720 sort of mid to late round guys that stood out 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.839 to me. I'm just curious you guys thought, yeah, a 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.800 little older. I mean, I think he's, you know, that 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.839 kind of guy and the you know, mid range kind 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.360 of has the Patriots. He kind of smart, you know, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.760 understands how to get the ball out. You know, that's 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.840 what I tend to look. Yeah, he's not that guy, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.280 and that's and that's probably maybe maybe that's a knock 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.480 against him, but he's very Taylor heineke E to me, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.280 where he has a little bit of I saw that 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.760 comparison to him a couple of times in reading about him. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.960 He's got a little bit of moxie, right, he runs 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.880 around a little bit and can't create out of structure 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.600 to a degree. He's not going to go and roll 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.400 out of the pocket and throw it fifty yards on 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.160 a rope down the field. That's not his game. And 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.160 I think the one thing that you looked at that 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.079 was a little bit concerning what the arm strength and 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.400 the arm talent in general is when he had to 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.400 reset in the pocket, come off his first read, reset 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.360 his feet, get to the second the ball knows dives 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.560 right because he doesn't have that that just natural velocity 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.640 to stand in there and reposition his feet and let 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.320 it go. But I love the games. He's a gamer 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.680 like competitive. I love that element of his game. You 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.280 mentioned DTR. If there's a mid round quarterback that the 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.040 Patriots are going to draft, I would be just absolutely 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.360 stunted if it's not DTR because there's a guy that 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.600 they worked for a week with at the Shrine Bowl, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.559 played five years for Chip Kelly, who we know is 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.240 a friend of Belichick, and got better every year at UCLA. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.360 I think he's really somebody that processes and sees the 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.680 field pretty well. Not as much against zone, but against man. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.960 He finds those open guys a single coverage against man 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.040 and throws away from leverage and help and things like that. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.640 Against zone, he loses guys from times to time. That 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.600 that was one concern that I saw with him on 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.080 film was you know those lurkers, those ball hawkers, you 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.760 know that are kind of just trying to hide themselves 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.880 in the middle of the field. He can lose those 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.480 guys from time to time and throw some bad interceptions. 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.880 But it's starting to come along for him from all levels, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.760 you know, terms of his athleticism, his ability to throw 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.280 the football, and then also the processing and things like that, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.000 and they don't know anything more Like this is a 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:04.920 guy that they know the most I think maybe out 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.679 of any prospect that they've ever seen, right, I mean 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.679 they worked with him for a week he played for 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.040 Chip Kelly. I just can't imagine they have more homework 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.280 done on another guy. Besides, yeah, I'm with you guys, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.600 and it's Dorian Thompson Robinson just in case people haven't 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.960 time is well versed on the on the initials. But yeah, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.400 he's been the starter at UCLA forever. You know, Evan 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.600 mentioned really five years as the starter, and he did 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.240 get better every year. He kind of came in. When 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.800 he first started playing, he was more of an athlete 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:39.000 playing quarterback, running around just trying to play schoolyard ball, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.480 and you know, by the time his career ended, he 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.640 was much more refined as a passer. I think he 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.280 still has some accuracy issues from time to time. Evan, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.640 you talked about, you know, the zones and things like 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.200 that that maybe he struggles with. But I think you know, 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.400 you're talking fifth or sixth round, fourth fifth sixth round somewhere, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.199 you know in day three. Yeah, I mean I think 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.679 there's obviously quarterbacks that you're thinking about it that level. 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.480 There there were drawbacks, right, there were red flag it's 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.240 it's size problems. And you look at this whole list. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.640 You know, Jarren Hall from b YU, he's you know, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.960 he's you know, I think you kind of have a 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.040 hard time watching a b YU quarterback without thinking Zach Wilson, right, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.560 you know it's a little smaller, uh, you know, good athlete. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.360 Another competitive guy we talked about Hanter. Did you guys 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:30.559 watch the Division two kids from Shephard at all Tyson Bay? Yeah, yeah, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.000 not so much. I watched him a lot of the 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.240 Senior Bowl of Senior Bowl practices and uh, you know, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.920 smaller guy the overte Bowl practices. What else was I 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.320 gonna do? But we just clossed over Jared Hall. Yeah 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.640 well no, Jaren Hall, go ahead, go into Jarren Hall. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.760 Then discount Kyler Murray. That's what I would call him. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.240 The guy that can really create out of structure, got 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.120 a live arm. I mean, this is somebody that from 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.840 far hash is gonna hit hit the hit the fifteen 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.880 yard out from the far Hash right, There's not that 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.640 many guys that do that consistently as well as him. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.120 But what I really like about him is his ability 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.760 to throw out of structure and on the move. This 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.440 is somebody that can roll out of the pocket to 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.800 his arm side against his arm side and flick the 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.640 wrist and just get the football there. He's under size 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.320 though he's you know, six feet tall, he's two hundred pounds, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.320 So yeah, discount Kyler. I love that comparison. I've heard that. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.760 I'm not going to take credit for Draft Network. Kyle 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.760 Krabs is the first one that I saw have that one. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.640 It's difficult to find a guy that's his size that 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.480 has that arm other than Kyler. He's not as athletic 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.640 as Kyler. Like Kyler's you know, top number one overall 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.520 pick in football, top ten pick in baseball, Like, there's 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.960 not very many guys like that. But Jaren Hall, I 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.400 think it's got something to him. Might he to me? 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.080 The BYU thing is a little bit of a concern, though, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.679 I will admit that that those guys, they play in 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.320 a very simplified system for quarterbacks. They're not under pressure 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.320 a whole lot. It's all the Zach Wilson issues that 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.120 we had coming in. But if you just want somebody 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.960 that's got tools, he's definitely someone that category. Yeah, the 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:05.360 consistency definitely lacking. But I wrote down the same thing 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.040 that Evan just said, I put, I put off platform ability, 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:12.240 And maybe it's something that I'm a little bit more 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.320 conscious of watching after seeing Mac Jones, who I think 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.560 struggles in those kinds of situations. So maybe that's kind 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.480 of a trait that I've been looking for. But yeah, 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.720 I think these are all these day three kind of 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.240 quarterbacks that could all be in the mix. I think 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.320 we all agree that if the Patriots are targeting one, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.240 it's one that they have as much information on as 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.640 anybody with DTR. Yeah, I think, you know, and just 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.480 to you know, go back real quick. I mean, I'm 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.760 just I'm interested in what happens with will Levis and 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.400 Henn and Hooker. You know, where do they go because 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.520 I'm right now I feel like it's I mean, I know, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.080 we're in the misinformation stage right now where everybody's like 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.000 he's not a first round, Oh, he's a first round, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.760 so you know, But I mean I really liked Hooker too. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.800 I mean, Hooker would be my pick. I just think 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.000 he's gonna go too early, I know, And and he's 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.200 in he's old, and but you know, I just again 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.480 go back to the Senior Bowl. Wasn't participating, but you 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.200 got to just hear a lot from him, and he just, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.440 you know, sounds like a really good kid kind of guy. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.440 He'd love to have in um, you know. And the 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.720 other guy just would maybe bring up Tanner McKee from 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.040 from Stanford, which I kind of I was like really 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.680 because I was like, I was like this this Drewe 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:17.480 bloodstoe like a big statue in that one was funny. 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.760 But I Tanner McKee was the one guy throughout this 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.840 whole process with the quarterbacks. I was like, really like 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.240 this is this is there basically the consensus behind Hooker. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.400 This is the next guy for the consensus. And I 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.120 was shocked that that would be the case, because he's 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.480 a statue in the pocket. His arm talent's not fantastic. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.040 I don't know, I don't see it with him. But 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:42.239 with Hooker, I find the Hooker discord is very fascinating 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.560 because this is not a player that's perfect on film 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.320 by any means. And I feel like he gets discussed like, oh, well, 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.400 if he didn't have the ACL and he wasn't twenty 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.400 five years old, and this would be a lock first 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.480 round pick. The processing with him is is a concern 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.920 that I had, especially watching him in games against like LSU, 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.960 for example, in the first to half, or he just 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.840 holds the ball, man, Like he just holds the ball 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.080 for a really really long time and you're just like, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:06.880 you get you got to get rid of the ball, dude, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.360 Like he's just a predetermined stuff. Yeah, Like at his best, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.240 it's system, because that's a little bit of a different 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.720 system they have. You want to talk up tempo, that's us. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.280 You know how quickly they get their plays off with 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.800 Josh Hypel's offense at Tennessee. So I think the red 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.600 flags that Evan's talking about beyond the twenty cl in age, um, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.840 you know that there are some I think some refinements 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.320 there as well. But I like the idea of bringing 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.080 him Like if you dropped a quarterback. He's not playing 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.040 for the Patriots this year, right, So I like the 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.400 idea of being able to nurse him from his twenty 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.600 cl get him in your system. There's no pressure to 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.920 watch him play, but if you could get third fourth round. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.360 If you could get him in that like interesting, I 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.400 think he's going before that. I think he's gonna go 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.880 probably early day too, and some people, some people even 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.560 have him in the first round. You know. I think 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.040 that's my concern with Hooker and that that vein is 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.879 that he's already twenty five years old. He's gonna have 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.120 the torn acl which means that he's probably not actually 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.480 going to practice or play at all in camp or 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:16.639 anything like that or in the preseason, and then he's 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.399 still got a ways to go as a processor. So 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.840 by the time he's hitting his ceiling, we're probably talking 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.760 about year three or year four, and he's twenty eight 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.040 years old now and he's already going on that second contract. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.520 It just the timeline doesn't add up for me. I mean, 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.479 I think I think it's a great point. And you're 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.600 talking about a team that's gonna maybe spend a second 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.240 round pick on him, and then they're dealing with those 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:40.919 issues too, And that's why it's like, Man, if he 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.480 was just in the fourth round, there's some stuff you 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.840 could work with. Maybe he has some maturity, and hey, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.560 if he is twenty eight when you finally get him, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.680 out there, but he's good. You know. It's a tough one. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.440 But I just think that people need to recognize that 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.399 the timeline that the Eagles took Jalen Hurts with Carson 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.919 Wentz already there is we're a few years from that 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.960 with Mac Jones. Carson Wentz was going into his fifth 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.639 year on his fifth year option in twenty twenty when 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.920 they took Jalen Hurts, so you're still two years removed 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.720 from that, and so I think somebody like Hooker is 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.439 a little bit older. I still think he needs some refinement. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.400 You know, they're just instances where he's holding the football 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.360 and he gets blindsided and striped, sacked, or he's late 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.800 to a throw deep. I actually don't think he's a 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.960 really accurate deep ball thrower. I think he's just throwing 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.520 open guys all the time, throwing deep. So the comparison 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.440 that I used for him was Marcus Mariota because I 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.280 really feel like he's somebody that in the short and 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.200 intermediate that those rhythm throws like that's where he lives, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.639 like that's where his comfort zone is. And then he 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.800 obviously adds the athleticism, but when he has to throw 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.360 into tighter coverage down the field, it gets a little 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.680 bit wonky. The fact that you know, Jalen High it's 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.679 five yards behind everybody. I'm not really great in those throws. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.320 Is like, oh wow, great throw by the quarterback. So 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.040 I like Cooker. I think that he's going to be 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.520 a potential starter down the road. I just don't know 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.280 if the timeline necessarily matches up. So Deuce, I made 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.760 the mistake before we started here because Evan hasn't done 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.920 these before, and I was explaining how we try to 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.040 keep these a little bit tight. You know, about ten minutes, 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.320