1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Com Radio. Welcome to the NFL Draft. The Draft Prospect 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Review podcast is your source for all the latest news 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: and information on the NFL Draft, the New England Patriots 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: now here to preview the quarterbacks, the writers of Patriots 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: dot Com and I'm gonna be a little bit more specific. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: It's Mike Dusseau, Evan Lazarre in us truly Paul Parola 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: for the Draft Prospect Review, where we review preview the 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: prospects in the two thousand and twenty three NFL Draft. 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: And as always, Evan, this is your first go around here. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: We always start with the quarterbacks because that's all anybody 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: cares about except for you. UM. I don't know about 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: you guys, but I have my eye on Bryce Young. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: I think this guy might might be okay too, he 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: might I think he might be picked up hie in 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: this draft. Um, it's a classic deuce. UM. I don't 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: know who's this, Levi's guy. So UM, just just to 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: sort of recap the the top of this draft with 19 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, looks like at least four in the first round, 20 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: and some people are talking about Hendon Hooker. Um, sort 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: of rising up the charts as well. But we want 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: to talk first, Bob, want to get your thoughts, you 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: guys on Bryce Young and C J. Stroud Alabama Ohio 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: State blue blood programs. Um your thoughts, which one is better? Mike? 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: You got well, I mean, and you know it's as 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: we joke about it, but this is I don't really 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: watch college football until we get to to January. And 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: I know Evan says the same thing, but then somehow, 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: like day two, Evan is like, yeah, I know all 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: these guys instantly, but it's a process for me, so 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: which I think I kind of like because I don't 32 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: really come to it with any you know, preconceived notions. 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, jumping into Bryce Young, I thought, 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: just a phenomenal athlete. To me, That's what stood out 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: to me, just overall the guy. I know, we can 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: talk about his size, but I think he has everything 37 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: else to me, and just you know, I don't want 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: to compare him to Aaron Rodgers, but when I see 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: how athletic Aaron Rodgers of a guy and just a 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: natural kind of quarterback, that's what I saw with Bryce Young. 41 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: His ability move in the pocket a little bit get 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: the ball out, has the athleticism when he needs it. 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just the size thing that's the question. 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: But I think overall for the game today, he can 45 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: do pretty much everything. It's just a question of, you know, 46 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: how well is he gonna hold up? Is he going 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: to be able to move in the pocket in the 48 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: NFL and avoid those big hits that you know might 49 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: cause some problems with his frame. But otherwise I think 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: he's a fantastic player and just a dynamic athlete fund 51 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: to watch. Yeah, I agree with all that. I think 52 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that stands out about Bryce Young to 53 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: me is that last year at Alabama, their supporting cast 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: wasn't as good as it normally is. His production didn't 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: drop off. He was still just as good as he 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: was the year previously, throwing two guys that or not 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: these you know, Jamison Williams DeVante Smith type prospects that 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: we've seen some of the Alabama quarterbacks of the past. 59 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: I think when you compare him to see J. Stroud, 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: that might be something that Bryce Young has in his 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: cap that CJ. Strout can't necessarily say. You know, CJ. 62 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Stroud goes out there and He's throwing a Marvin Harrison 63 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: junior and Jackson Smith and Jigba and behind a great 64 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: offensive line that has two tackles that are probably gonna 65 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: get drafted in the first forty picks of the draft. 66 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: He's got an absolutely loaded supporting cast. Whereas Bryce Young, 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: I think I really needed to carry his team a 68 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: little bit more last year than any of these other 69 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: guys besides maybe Will Levis. So I would give that 70 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: kudos to Bryce Young, especially because he's going into the 71 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: draft and he's gonna go to a team that's not 72 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: going to have a picture perfect scenario for a quarterback, 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: and he's already shown that he can at least hang 74 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: without all star talent around him. But Stroud in terms 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: of accuracy down the field and his ability to make 76 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: throws in the pocket, I think is the best quarterback 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: in the draft just from that pure standpoint, and you 78 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: saw that at the combine. He put on an absolute 79 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: show in his throwing session. But his ability to throw 80 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: a touch, timing, anticipation, accuracy, all those types of things, 81 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: especially between the numbers, is exceptional. And then you also 82 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: look at his tape against Georgia and just forget about it, 83 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that was just an unbelievable quarterback performance against 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the best defense in college football. So both guys have 85 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: a lot to really like about them. But if you're 86 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: looking at their NFL projection, I would lean Stroud maybe 87 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: a little bit more than Bryce Young. But I do 88 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: have concerns about some of these other quarterbacks. The one 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: here included that we're playing with all of these tools 90 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: around them and then going to the NFL and playing 91 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: in muddy pockets, playing without elite wide receiver talent, Like, 92 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: how do you look in that environment? And that's going 93 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: to be a little bit of an adjustment. Yeah, I 94 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: like both of these guys as well. I'm with you, guys. 95 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: I would probably lean Stroud a little bit just because 96 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: of the obvious cliche. I mean, he's more of the 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: prototypical NFL size. And I really the point that Evan 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: made about the National semifinal against Georgia that happened to 99 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: Georgia really once in two years and is that night, 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: And I give Stroud a lot of credit for that. 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: I think he was. He was outstanding that night. Um 102 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: will Levis and Anthony Richardson both also projected to go 103 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: in the first round. Um interesting kind of guys. Levice 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: At you know, kind of a physical marvel. I mean, 105 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: has a canon for an arm. Um makes a lot 106 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: of mistakes, mistake prone, So that's that's the drawback on him. 107 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: Richardson is also a kind of a project in that um, 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: you know as size. Obviously a lot of running ability, 109 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: dual threat guy, Um, a lot of speed, big arm 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: quote make can make all the throws. But you look 111 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: and he's you know, down in the in the mid 112 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: fifties for completion percentage. So some projections there. I didn't 113 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: want to spend too much time just I wanted to 114 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: obviously talk about Young and Stroud because they're clearly, uh, 115 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, the top of this draft. Um. I wanted 116 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: to get some opinions first. I'll ask both of you guys, 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: do you think the Patriots will select a quarterback in 118 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: this draft? I think later, I think later on as 119 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: we get to some of those later guys. I don't 120 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: know about earlier on. I didn't mean. I didn't mean 121 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: it fourteen okay, making sure that um, but both those guys, 122 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: I think it's, uh, it's kind of like a cold 123 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: play kick. We're gonna try to We're gonna try to 124 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: fix you. I think like Josh Allen is now probably 125 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: like the model of you know, hey, we can get 126 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: these guys with all the traits, the size, the arm everything, 127 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: physically walking off the bus looks like an NFL quarterback. 128 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I just I think that you 129 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit cautious about that. I think 130 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's a little bit of a unique story. I 131 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: don't think that it's so easy to just you know, 132 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: strap these guys in and and all right, we're gonna 133 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: teach them how to you know, take the checkdowns and 134 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: you know, make the easy plays and you know, have 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: that short accuracy and get getting the ball out quick 136 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: that that you need to do. So um, both are 137 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: just impressive, huge dudes. I mean Richardson looking at him 138 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: at the combine, I mean he just you know, it's 139 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: like he sculpted from Since Mike's not listening to my questions, 140 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: do you think the Patriots will select a quarterback in 141 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: this draft yet? Know? Somewhere I'm gonna go on my 142 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, No, you don't know. I don't thank you. 143 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: One of those guys is going to be available. Pots 144 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: might be you're interesting. I think it might be off 145 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: the board by the fourth pick in the draft. Yeah, 146 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that guy's phenomenal. But in terms of your question, yes, 147 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: I do think the Patriots should and will draft another 148 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: quarterback because every single time he talks about Mac Jones, 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick sounds less sold every single time we hear 150 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: from him. And if you really are not all in 151 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: on the guy that you already have, then you've got 152 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: to keep throwing darts at the board. And I'm not 153 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: necessarily saying that they're going to take a quarterback in 154 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: the top one hundred. I think that's a little bit rich, 155 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: but around where they took Bailey Zappy last year and 156 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Day three, fourth round, I think that that's where we're 157 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: looking at another quarterback. And I think a lot of 158 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: people are asking, well, why when you have Mac Jones 159 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and then you've already hedged it with Bailey Zappy. But 160 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: I think somebody that I'm sure some of the guys 161 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: will talk about that are a little bit more athletic, 162 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: that can create a little bit more out of structure, 163 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that have a little bit more arm talent than the 164 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: two guys that they already have on the ross to 165 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: kind of round out their their talent pool at that position. 166 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: You got the pocket passers, you got the timing guys, 167 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: the accuracy guys. Maybe somebody that brings a little bit 168 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: more of that Jalen Hurt type of skill set to 169 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: the table. Wouldn't necessarily Hurt. We'll talk about dtr from 170 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, UCLA. It's a guy we've talked about plenty 171 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: in the predat process. Was out at the Shrine Bowl 172 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: with all the coaches, and I mean it's everything Evan said. 173 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I mean, not the biggest guy, certainly, not a prototypical 174 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: body type, but an arm like a cannon, you know, 175 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: and has that athleticism. And I might not look at 176 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: urience to a lot of games under his belt, five 177 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: year starter, and I look at it just as even 178 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: if you're not talking about trying to compete with Mac 179 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: for the starting position, it's a guy on the roster 180 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: that can maybe help you prepare for some of these 181 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: mobile quarterbacks that have given you such a hard time 182 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: over the last few years. So there's that element to it, 183 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: you know. Jake Hayner from the Senior Bowl was another one. 184 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: You know, just these mid round guys that your thoughts 185 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: on Jake Hayner in particular, he was one of the 186 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: sort of mid to late round guys that stood out 187 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: to me. I'm just curious you guys thought, yeah, a 188 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: little older. I mean, I think he's, you know, that 189 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: kind of guy and the you know, mid range kind 190 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: of has the Patriots. He kind of smart, you know, 191 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: understands how to get the ball out. You know, that's 192 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: what I tend to look. Yeah, he's not that guy, 193 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: and that's and that's probably maybe maybe that's a knock 194 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: against him, but he's very Taylor heineke E to me, 195 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: where he has a little bit of I saw that 196 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: comparison to him a couple of times in reading about him. 197 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of moxie, right, he runs 198 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: around a little bit and can't create out of structure 199 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: to a degree. He's not going to go and roll 200 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: out of the pocket and throw it fifty yards on 201 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: a rope down the field. That's not his game. And 202 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that you looked at that 203 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: was a little bit concerning what the arm strength and 204 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the arm talent in general is when he had to 205 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: reset in the pocket, come off his first read, reset 206 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: his feet, get to the second the ball knows dives 207 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: right because he doesn't have that that just natural velocity 208 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: to stand in there and reposition his feet and let 209 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: it go. But I love the games. He's a gamer 210 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: like competitive. I love that element of his game. You 211 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: mentioned DTR. If there's a mid round quarterback that the 212 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: Patriots are going to draft, I would be just absolutely 213 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: stunted if it's not DTR because there's a guy that 214 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: they worked for a week with at the Shrine Bowl, 215 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: played five years for Chip Kelly, who we know is 216 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: a friend of Belichick, and got better every year at UCLA. 217 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: I think he's really somebody that processes and sees the 218 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: field pretty well. Not as much against zone, but against man. 219 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: He finds those open guys a single coverage against man 220 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: and throws away from leverage and help and things like that. 221 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Against zone, he loses guys from times to time. That 222 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: that was one concern that I saw with him on 223 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: film was you know those lurkers, those ball hawkers, you 224 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: know that are kind of just trying to hide themselves 225 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. He can lose those 226 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: guys from time to time and throw some bad interceptions. 227 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: But it's starting to come along for him from all levels, 228 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, terms of his athleticism, his ability to throw 229 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the football, and then also the processing and things like that, 230 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: and they don't know anything more Like this is a 231 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: guy that they know the most I think maybe out 232 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: of any prospect that they've ever seen, right, I mean 233 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: they worked with him for a week he played for 234 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. I just can't imagine they have more homework 235 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: done on another guy. Besides, yeah, I'm with you guys, 236 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: and it's Dorian Thompson Robinson just in case people haven't 237 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: time is well versed on the on the initials. But yeah, 238 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: he's been the starter at UCLA forever. You know, Evan 239 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: mentioned really five years as the starter, and he did 240 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: get better every year. He kind of came in. When 241 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: he first started playing, he was more of an athlete 242 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: playing quarterback, running around just trying to play schoolyard ball, 243 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: and you know, by the time his career ended, he 244 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: was much more refined as a passer. I think he 245 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: still has some accuracy issues from time to time. Evan, 246 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, the zones and things like 247 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: that that maybe he struggles with. But I think you know, 248 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you're talking fifth or sixth round, fourth fifth sixth round somewhere, 249 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: you know in day three. Yeah, I mean I think 250 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: there's obviously quarterbacks that you're thinking about it that level. 251 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: There there were drawbacks, right, there were red flag it's 252 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: it's size problems. And you look at this whole list. 253 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, Jarren Hall from b YU, he's you know, 254 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: he's you know, I think you kind of have a 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: hard time watching a b YU quarterback without thinking Zach Wilson, right, 256 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: you know it's a little smaller, uh, you know, good athlete. 257 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: Another competitive guy we talked about Hanter. Did you guys 258 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: watch the Division two kids from Shephard at all Tyson Bay? Yeah, yeah, 259 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: not so much. I watched him a lot of the 260 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl of Senior Bowl practices and uh, you know, 261 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: smaller guy the overte Bowl practices. What else was I 262 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: gonna do? But we just clossed over Jared Hall. Yeah 263 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: well no, Jaren Hall, go ahead, go into Jarren Hall. 264 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: Then discount Kyler Murray. That's what I would call him. 265 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: The guy that can really create out of structure, got 266 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: a live arm. I mean, this is somebody that from 267 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: far hash is gonna hit hit the hit the fifteen 268 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: yard out from the far Hash right, There's not that 269 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: many guys that do that consistently as well as him. 270 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: But what I really like about him is his ability 271 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: to throw out of structure and on the move. This 272 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: is somebody that can roll out of the pocket to 273 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: his arm side against his arm side and flick the 274 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: wrist and just get the football there. He's under size 275 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: though he's you know, six feet tall, he's two hundred pounds, 276 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, discount Kyler. I love that comparison. I've heard that. 277 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm not going to take credit for Draft Network. Kyle 278 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: Krabs is the first one that I saw have that one. 279 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: It's difficult to find a guy that's his size that 280 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: has that arm other than Kyler. He's not as athletic 281 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: as Kyler. Like Kyler's you know, top number one overall 282 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: pick in football, top ten pick in baseball, Like, there's 283 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: not very many guys like that. But Jaren Hall, I 284 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: think it's got something to him. Might he to me? 285 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: The BYU thing is a little bit of a concern, though, 286 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: I will admit that that those guys, they play in 287 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: a very simplified system for quarterbacks. They're not under pressure 288 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: a whole lot. It's all the Zach Wilson issues that 289 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: we had coming in. But if you just want somebody 290 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: that's got tools, he's definitely someone that category. Yeah, the 291 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: consistency definitely lacking. But I wrote down the same thing 292 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: that Evan just said, I put, I put off platform ability, 293 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: And maybe it's something that I'm a little bit more 294 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: conscious of watching after seeing Mac Jones, who I think 295 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: struggles in those kinds of situations. So maybe that's kind 296 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: of a trait that I've been looking for. But yeah, 297 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: I think these are all these day three kind of 298 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that could all be in the mix. I think 299 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: we all agree that if the Patriots are targeting one, 300 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: it's one that they have as much information on as 301 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: anybody with DTR. Yeah, I think, you know, and just 302 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: to you know, go back real quick. I mean, I'm 303 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: just I'm interested in what happens with will Levis and 304 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Henn and Hooker. You know, where do they go because 305 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm right now I feel like it's I mean, I know, 306 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: we're in the misinformation stage right now where everybody's like 307 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: he's not a first round, Oh, he's a first round, 308 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: so you know, But I mean I really liked Hooker too. 309 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Hooker would be my pick. I just think 310 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna go too early, I know, And and he's 311 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: in he's old, and but you know, I just again 312 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: go back to the Senior Bowl. Wasn't participating, but you 313 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: got to just hear a lot from him, and he just, 314 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: you know, sounds like a really good kid kind of guy. 315 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: He'd love to have in um, you know. And the 316 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: other guy just would maybe bring up Tanner McKee from 317 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: from Stanford, which I kind of I was like really 318 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: because I was like, I was like this this Drewe 319 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: bloodstoe like a big statue in that one was funny. 320 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: But I Tanner McKee was the one guy throughout this 321 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: whole process with the quarterbacks. I was like, really like 322 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: this is this is there basically the consensus behind Hooker. 323 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: This is the next guy for the consensus. And I 324 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: was shocked that that would be the case, because he's 325 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: a statue in the pocket. His arm talent's not fantastic. 326 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't see it with him. But 327 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,239 Speaker 1: with Hooker, I find the Hooker discord is very fascinating 328 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: because this is not a player that's perfect on film 329 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: by any means. And I feel like he gets discussed like, oh, well, 330 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: if he didn't have the ACL and he wasn't twenty 331 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: five years old, and this would be a lock first 332 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: round pick. The processing with him is is a concern 333 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: that I had, especially watching him in games against like LSU, 334 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: for example, in the first to half, or he just 335 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: holds the ball, man, Like he just holds the ball 336 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: for a really really long time and you're just like, 337 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: you get you got to get rid of the ball, dude, 338 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Like he's just a predetermined stuff. Yeah, Like at his best, 339 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: it's system, because that's a little bit of a different 340 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: system they have. You want to talk up tempo, that's us. 341 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: You know how quickly they get their plays off with 342 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: Josh Hypel's offense at Tennessee. So I think the red 343 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: flags that Evan's talking about beyond the twenty cl in age, um, 344 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: you know that there are some I think some refinements 345 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: there as well. But I like the idea of bringing 346 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: him Like if you dropped a quarterback. He's not playing 347 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: for the Patriots this year, right, So I like the 348 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: idea of being able to nurse him from his twenty 349 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: cl get him in your system. There's no pressure to 350 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: watch him play, but if you could get third fourth round. 351 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: If you could get him in that like interesting, I 352 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: think he's going before that. I think he's gonna go 353 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: probably early day too, and some people, some people even 354 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: have him in the first round. You know. I think 355 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: that's my concern with Hooker and that that vein is 356 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: that he's already twenty five years old. He's gonna have 357 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: the torn acl which means that he's probably not actually 358 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: going to practice or play at all in camp or 359 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: anything like that or in the preseason, and then he's 360 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: still got a ways to go as a processor. So 361 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: by the time he's hitting his ceiling, we're probably talking 362 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: about year three or year four, and he's twenty eight 363 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: years old now and he's already going on that second contract. 364 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: It just the timeline doesn't add up for me. I mean, 365 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a great point. And you're 366 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: talking about a team that's gonna maybe spend a second 367 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: round pick on him, and then they're dealing with those 368 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: issues too, And that's why it's like, Man, if he 369 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: was just in the fourth round, there's some stuff you 370 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: could work with. Maybe he has some maturity, and hey, 371 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: if he is twenty eight when you finally get him, 372 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: out there, but he's good. You know. It's a tough one. 373 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: But I just think that people need to recognize that 374 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: the timeline that the Eagles took Jalen Hurts with Carson 375 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: Wentz already there is we're a few years from that 376 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: with Mac Jones. Carson Wentz was going into his fifth 377 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: year on his fifth year option in twenty twenty when 378 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: they took Jalen Hurts, so you're still two years removed 379 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: from that, and so I think somebody like Hooker is 380 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: a little bit older. I still think he needs some refinement. 381 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: You know, they're just instances where he's holding the football 382 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: and he gets blindsided and striped, sacked, or he's late 383 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: to a throw deep. I actually don't think he's a 384 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: really accurate deep ball thrower. I think he's just throwing 385 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: open guys all the time, throwing deep. So the comparison 386 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: that I used for him was Marcus Mariota because I 387 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: really feel like he's somebody that in the short and 388 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: intermediate that those rhythm throws like that's where he lives, 389 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: like that's where his comfort zone is. And then he 390 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: obviously adds the athleticism, but when he has to throw 391 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: into tighter coverage down the field, it gets a little 392 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: bit wonky. The fact that you know, Jalen High it's 393 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: five yards behind everybody. I'm not really great in those throws. 394 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Is like, oh wow, great throw by the quarterback. So 395 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: I like Cooker. I think that he's going to be 396 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: a potential starter down the road. I just don't know 397 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: if the timeline necessarily matches up. So Deuce, I made 398 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: the mistake before we started here because Evan hasn't done 399 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: these before, and I was explaining how we try to 400 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: keep these a little bit tight. You know, about ten minutes, 401 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: no chance, without question. The quarterback one should have been 402 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: the shortest. It's not. So we're gonna put a nice 403 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: little bow on on our phone. It will be the shortest. 404 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: Just wait till wide receivers and tight ends. Well that one, well, 405 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: that one's a little bit longer. You know, usually the 406 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: offensive line we should be able to I don't tighten 407 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: up a little bit, but that's gonna put a wrap 408 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: on our quarterbacks. Edition of our Draft prospect review, will 409 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: we preview the prospects with the twenty twenty three draft. 410 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: We'll have more in the coming days. Thanks. Thank you 411 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, Google Play, and 412 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: everywhere else you listen. Like the show, please rate and 413 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: review us Center. 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