WEBVTT - VP Debate

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everyone to a special edition of Amy and TJ,

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<v Speaker 1>where we stayed up with probably a lot of you

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<v Speaker 1>all listening to watch the vice presidential debate this evening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>It was civil. It was substantive. I can't ever say

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<v Speaker 1>that word very well, but they really went into the issues,

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<v Speaker 1>and they actually were respectful of one another, and they

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<v Speaker 1>reserved whatever negativity they had towards the top of the ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>towards their running mates and not towards one another. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was shocked, but in a good way.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's unfortunately where we are if we are

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<v Speaker 2>shocked that two people political opponents can be civil and

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<v Speaker 2>decent to each other, which if you all weren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to stay up and watch the entire thing, then that

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<v Speaker 2>is thing number one. I suppose, just to see them

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<v Speaker 2>come out and smile and be pleasant and shake hands

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<v Speaker 2>at the top, even through the moderators off for a second,

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<v Speaker 2>that everybody was on stage in a position when it started.

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<v Speaker 2>They did kind of some introductions, and the two guys,

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<v Speaker 2>not being prompted on their own, they went over and

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<v Speaker 2>shook hands, and it threw the moderators off, they had

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of pause, and even seemed like the director

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing didn't even realize that moment was going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. Tonally throughout you heard them go back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth a time and say, I agree with you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're on the same page. I think you're decent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you also don't want that to happen. It

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<v Speaker 2>was incredible to hear two politicians at this stage do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wish we saw more of that day and

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<v Speaker 2>day out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I even heard one of the media commentators afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>say I wish these two could be running for president.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of Americans who watched that,

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<v Speaker 1>who listened to it may have thought the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because we have not seen this type of political debate

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<v Speaker 1>where you're actually just debating the issues and not lobbing

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<v Speaker 1>attacks at one another's I can't remember the last time

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen something so civil and something so informative.

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<v Speaker 3>Although the attacks were on policy, and I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we argue exactly over.

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<v Speaker 2>Points in what you believe and I believe, and they

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<v Speaker 2>reserve those attacks for the folks at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the ticket. But what we're used to seeing. Are these

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<v Speaker 2>are personal attacks? I don't remember, necessarily, as I sit

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<v Speaker 2>here and remind me, maybe there was no. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember a single personal attack. It was even a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where Jadie Vans say, hey, I didn't know your son

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<v Speaker 2>had that experience. When Waltz was talking about his son

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<v Speaker 2>witness of shooting, he sounded sympathetic, He sounded like he had.

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<v Speaker 3>A real human moment with another human being.

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<v Speaker 2>We even saw that moment criticized later by some of

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<v Speaker 2>the commentators in the post debate coverage saying, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's good at putting on and pretending like he's your

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<v Speaker 2>friend and he's nice, and like even that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Questioning his authenticity because it's almost too hard to believe. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be interested to see because historically speaking, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least in the past several I believe the data is

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<v Speaker 1>for the past six presidential elections, watching a vice presidential

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<v Speaker 1>debate hasn't really moved the needle at all. They cite

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<v Speaker 1>back to you have to go back to two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>where there was a one point two percent change with

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Cheney sparring against Joseph Lieberman. That was George Bush

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<v Speaker 1>versus al Gore, but still all the other vice presidential debates,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no noticeable change. But I would say in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular case, it's interesting and it will be interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to see if the polls shift it all because of

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<v Speaker 1>course we're neck and neck right now, too close to

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<v Speaker 1>call between right now former President Trump and Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>Vice President Kamala Harris. But not many people know JD. Vance,

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<v Speaker 1>Not many people know Tim Wall. So this was really

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<v Speaker 1>an introduction for a lot of voters to meet these

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<v Speaker 1>two men and see where they fall in policy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think vans.

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<v Speaker 2>I think both of them came as advertised in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, the down home the folks see the

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<v Speaker 2>football coach, the elementary school teacher of in Waltz.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean we got an Ivy.

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<v Speaker 2>League educated, best selling author, a senator from a very

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<v Speaker 2>important state. I mean they both kind of came as advertised.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Vance and everybody it is not us

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<v Speaker 2>saying this. Vance was sharp. It was not a question

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<v Speaker 2>about it. He was well prepared. He was sharp. You

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<v Speaker 2>see why he's good and people talk about him the

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<v Speaker 2>way they do. He is a sharp debater. He knows

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<v Speaker 2>his policy and he knows how to navigate on this

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<v Speaker 2>type of stage. Waltz, as many has said, didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>enough reps roads leading into the night, and it showed

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<v Speaker 2>he hadn't done enough national interviews and the statement we

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<v Speaker 2>heard is not ready for prime time.

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<v Speaker 3>Quite did.

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<v Speaker 2>He gained his footing later, but he did start off

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<v Speaker 2>on a nervous note.

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<v Speaker 1>He definitely started off on a nervous note. And as

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<v Speaker 1>you point out, jd Vance came out just polished, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, it's interesting not only watching the debate and

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<v Speaker 1>watching different networks cover the debate. One of the only

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<v Speaker 1>arguments or negative common that you could even hear some

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<v Speaker 1>journalists who tend to be left leaning. The only argument

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<v Speaker 1>they made against Jadevance was that he was quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>too polished. I don't know that that's a thing, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's as bad of a lob as they could throw

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<v Speaker 1>against him. Now we also know President Trump, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you weren't paying attention, was involved in social media

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<v Speaker 1>throughout much of in fact, throughout the entire debate, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was debating sometimes furiously, sometimes two times in one minute,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was not tonally in line with his vice

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<v Speaker 1>presidential candidate. He threw the lobs out and he went

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<v Speaker 1>hard against Tim Waltz. He was calling him tampon Tim

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much throughout the entire social media tirade that he

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<v Speaker 1>put out for everyone to see. And he was basically

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<v Speaker 1>calling Tim Waltz, a nickname that a lot of right

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<v Speaker 1>wing critics have been using for the past several months,

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<v Speaker 1>basically attacking him on his administration's policy at providing free

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<v Speaker 1>menstrual products in all school bathrooms. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to sit with any undecided voters, certainly with

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<v Speaker 1>any undecided female voters. But he went with that and

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<v Speaker 1>kept on it throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 3>But these were adults.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people argue that that Kamala Harris gave

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<v Speaker 2>people of an option a third option so they could

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<v Speaker 2>get away from the two options they didn't want. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people didn't want Trump, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want Biden. And it seemed like we had a

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<v Speaker 2>capable adult in the room. We saw on stage tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>two capable dudes. They seem like adults in the room. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not and were robes And I are not

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<v Speaker 2>here to argue policy or break down and do all

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<v Speaker 2>the fact checking. You have plenty of pundits in everybody

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<v Speaker 2>on TV that'll do that, but as viewers, as journalists,

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<v Speaker 2>as observers, and as folks who've covered a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, this was one of the more substantive debates

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<v Speaker 2>you will see. They got into some good policy discussions,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly on healthcare, about the Middle East, what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>right now with Housabala Aaran and Israel. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>good debate, and gun control question came up. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a good debate about family and abortion. You can disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with what some of them saying and say this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is lying, but it's still it was a respectful, tonally respectful,

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<v Speaker 2>and healthy debate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm okay with what we saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight exactly and not in addition to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>topics that they discussed things that really matter to American voters.

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<v Speaker 1>They talked about immigration, border patrol, they talked about affordable housing,

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<v Speaker 1>affordable prescription drugs, tax credits. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that was interesting to me, obviously we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Helene and the unbelievable devastation, deadly devastation in the southeast.

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<v Speaker 1>But the second question I was a little surprised in

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<v Speaker 1>the debate was on climate change, and it actually got

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of time compared to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other other topics or subjects that they covered. But they

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<v Speaker 1>really went into that, which was a little surprising to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, what did you think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>In it?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's the I don't know if an opinion

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<v Speaker 2>on whether or not that should be why not? It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very important topic to a lot of people. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not at the top of the list for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of folks, but it's certainly an important question.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess why not? I see a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>are applauding.

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<v Speaker 1>That it was at high up yep and jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we know that we've heard former President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>talk about climate change as being a hoax. Jd Vance

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<v Speaker 1>did not take that line. So we did see some

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<v Speaker 1>moments where Jadie Vance and Donald Trump don't necessarily see

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<v Speaker 1>eye to eye, But he was very I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>Both men did a very good job explaining their stances

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<v Speaker 1>on how they feel about climate change and how it's

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<v Speaker 1>contributed to some of the devastating weather events we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a few moments that will stand out. You're

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna see repeated I guess one. I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>moment of the night didn't come to the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the night, and I guess this would have been probably

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<v Speaker 2>viewed as an overwhelming victory, if you will, for JD.

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<v Speaker 2>Vans had it not been for this. It's like he

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<v Speaker 2>had waltz on the ropes all night and then all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden walts in the eleventh and twelfth round.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts throwing haymakers. But he asked a direct question

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<v Speaker 2>to JD. Vance if you believe Donald Trump lost the election,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wouldn't give him a straight answer. I was

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<v Speaker 2>very surprised he wasn't better prepared to give something because

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds that's a direct something we're four years now

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<v Speaker 2>removed from that. Did he lose the election? And your

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<v Speaker 2>answer to this day still can be well, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>voters spoken, here we are something he just said. He

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<v Speaker 2>gave an answer like a kid would give on a playground,

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<v Speaker 2>and an argument, well, I know you are, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, well, you're not talking about censorship. So he

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<v Speaker 1>just completely and he hadn't done that all night. He

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<v Speaker 1>actually if he did go off and decided to say

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<v Speaker 1>what he wanted to say, which he did, in all

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<v Speaker 1>politicians do this, but he always redirected what he was

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<v Speaker 1>saying back to answer specifically the question that was asked

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<v Speaker 1>of him, which I appreciated as a journalist and I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of listeners and voters appreciate because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't usually get that from politicians. And we saw both

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<v Speaker 1>men directly answering questions except for that one moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>it stood out. It was stark, and it was disappointing, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>because whatever his opinion is, I think all of us

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to know what it was. And he refused to

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<v Speaker 1>give it. And that was definitely a problem and a

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<v Speaker 1>low moment and one of the very rare and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only bad moments for JdE Bans was

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<v Speaker 1>when he chose not to answer that question, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was certainly deliberate.

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<v Speaker 2>The other substance of thing that people were scratching their

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<v Speaker 2>heads about is that he was making the argument that

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump was the one and who in fact saved Obamacare.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a lot of people say that's absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to make a connection and a point

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<v Speaker 2>to how Trump was in there and decided, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>can't gut it. He tried to gut the thing and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get it done. So now he tried to make

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<v Speaker 2>some improvements to it or at least make it soluble.

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<v Speaker 1>He promised he ran on abolishing it, and then now

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<v Speaker 1>Jade Vance wants to give him credit for saving it.

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<v Speaker 2>So he couldn't do that thing, so now he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say he saved it. A lot of people call

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<v Speaker 2>bs on that he's trying to make that argument. So

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<v Speaker 2>those are two things at least where substantively a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people argue jd Vance didn't have an argument to

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<v Speaker 2>stand up now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Governor Tim Waltz had a couple of really

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<v Speaker 1>tough moments as well, and the one that I think

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<v Speaker 1>most people will remember was his answer on whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not he was present as he had previously stated multiple

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<v Speaker 1>times at Tianneman Square. Eventually he had to acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>he misspoke and he actually quoted he said, I'm a knucklehead,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know that is going to be used at

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<v Speaker 1>nauseum and Trump advertisements to come, and there will be

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<v Speaker 1>something else that he said that will be used at nauseum,

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<v Speaker 1>because we already saw Trump talking about this on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the other moment for Governor Waltz was a

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<v Speaker 1>tough one. When he was talking about school shooters. He

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<v Speaker 1>said he misspoke. He I don't even know if he

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<v Speaker 1>realized he said it. I don't think he knew he

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<v Speaker 1>said it. We've all done this before when speaking in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a live audience. I know I have. But

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I am friends with school shooters.

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<v Speaker 2>He was trying to make the argument of how his

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<v Speaker 2>position had changed on something because actually he changed his

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<v Speaker 2>position on gun control on some gun control legislation because

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<v Speaker 2>he had met with the families and become friends with

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<v Speaker 2>the families who had people who had died in school shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what he was trying to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And it came out, I've become friends with school shooters,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just.

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<v Speaker 3>Went crazy on Twitter. That isn't honest. Just misspoke.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a stupid he didn't mix up policy, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't stutter, he just he just that just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And former President Trump's already posted that video clip and

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<v Speaker 1>yes and memes featuring that remark and he and he

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<v Speaker 1>did it throughout the evening. So if you missed it

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<v Speaker 1>on the actual debate itself, it's probably everywhere on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>As we speak this and so.

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<v Speaker 2>But that Tienamant Square moment was that was tough. It

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<v Speaker 2>was tough to listen to his answer when he there

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<v Speaker 2>was a discrepancy. He said he was somewhere, and now

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<v Speaker 2>it's been proven that he was not there. Tenaman Square

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<v Speaker 2>doing during that those those famous moments, he started his

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<v Speaker 2>answer talking about, well, I grew up in a town

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<v Speaker 2>with four hundred people, you know, the kind of places.

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<v Speaker 3>We just ride your bike around.

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<v Speaker 1>What yes? Is?

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<v Speaker 3>What you really did say that out loud?

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<v Speaker 1>What it's It's one of these. Both of the men,

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<v Speaker 1>when asked a direct question, instead of just giving a

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<v Speaker 1>direct answer and then going into explaining yourself, which would

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<v Speaker 1>be far more preferable, they start with some explanation that

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<v Speaker 1>you even forget what the question was that was being

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<v Speaker 1>asked of them. It's almost to distract and to deflect.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end you still know you haven't answered

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<v Speaker 1>the question. So when I believe it was Margaret Brennan

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<v Speaker 1>who redirected, said but still you haven't really said whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not you were there or not, you know, were

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<v Speaker 1>you there? Then he had to directly say I misspoke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a knucklehead. But he wouldn't give the answer initially,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's always problematic when you're listening to you just

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<v Speaker 1>you always say, why can't you just start with I misspoke,

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<v Speaker 1>I was wrong, I apologize and then explain you can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about your childhood and how I grew up and

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<v Speaker 1>how people know you. There he was trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>that connection that people know he's not a bad person,

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<v Speaker 1>or that he's not a liar or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It did not land. That's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was clear.

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<v Speaker 2>The theme for advance for the night was and he

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<v Speaker 2>repeated this, I mean tons of times throughout the night,

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<v Speaker 2>was just, Hey, you keep talking about what you're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're gonna do on day one you've had he

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<v Speaker 2>had an exact number of days that they've been in office, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why haven't you done all this stuff in this days

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<v Speaker 2>in office?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about? Day one? You're gonna do? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Why haven't you done her already? Go do it now

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<v Speaker 2>you're in office right now. That was a theme and

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<v Speaker 2>he really really drove that point home to the voters.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a decent one to make.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think TJ about Nora O'Donnell and Margaret

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<v Speaker 1>Brennan not fact checking. Now, they did a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 1>but they went into it saying they weren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't the plan, and allowing the candidates to

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<v Speaker 1>fact check one another. I didn't mind how it went.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was unfortun I mean, it's a tough

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost an impossible job to be honest. I always

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<v Speaker 2>say it's an impossible job doing a presidential vice presidential

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<v Speaker 2>debate at this stage. The problem is that they made

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<v Speaker 2>a point early on to say we're going to stay

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. Fine, you questioned that, Let's see how

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to go. He put a QR code up

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<v Speaker 2>you can check. You can click on it yourself and

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<v Speaker 2>then go to a fact checking website. That's fine, they

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<v Speaker 2>made the point. But when so many people all just

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<v Speaker 2>looking for ways to criticize the media as left leaning.

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<v Speaker 2>The first two times they broke that rule, it was

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<v Speaker 2>to fact check.

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<v Speaker 3>Jd Vance correct. That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just even if they had a legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>are you no, you said you were.

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<v Speaker 1>He said you were going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you going after that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Let Governor Waltz do it as you said you would, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump was one of the first things he put

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<v Speaker 1>out on social media. Margaret Brennan just fact check JD

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<v Speaker 1>incorrectly on climate change. When is she going to fact

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<v Speaker 1>check tampon Tim on all of his false statements. Another

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<v Speaker 1>repeat with the fake news being unfair to the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>candidate and trying to get the pathetic democrat across the

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<v Speaker 1>finish line. Unfortunately, when those things happened.

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<v Speaker 3>We deserve that criticism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, we asked for that one. I agree with

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<v Speaker 1>that completely and it was that is a tough part

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<v Speaker 1>to watch. But in terms of what they didn't talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of discussions about the topics that

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<v Speaker 1>were chosen, and never once was Ukraine mentioned, NATO mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>Afghanistan mentioned, And of course they started out with foreign

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<v Speaker 1>policy at the beginning, but they didn't hold either candidate

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<v Speaker 1>really to get specific about what they would do, how

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<v Speaker 1>they would handle Israel, Iran, all of that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really left unopen ended and there were no follow ups.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people have criticized that because clearly the tensions

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<v Speaker 1>in the situation we're in right now, this is a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge global issue that's going to have far reaching effects

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<v Speaker 1>here in this country, and how and who is leading

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<v Speaker 1>our country in these troubled times is important. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people feel like that was a mist a

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<v Speaker 1>very big missed topic.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have been talking about it on our

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<v Speaker 2>daily I mean we've been talking about it all for

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<v Speaker 2>the past five days. The Longshortman strike. I was very

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<v Speaker 2>surprised that didn't come up. I mean that strike literally, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be huge.

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<v Speaker 2>It started on the day of the debate, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't come up at all. That was a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a surprise, certainly, a big economic story like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was the one that kind of surprised me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I it's the moderators are going to be talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a lot. They're already being talked about a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>They were being talked about a lot during.

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<v Speaker 3>The the debate. It's it's we say it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That an impossible job, but these there was an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>here for CBS News, an opportunity here. I was excited

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<v Speaker 2>to see them take a hands off approach. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it would be difficult. We talked about it like, as

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<v Speaker 2>a journalist, you hear something is wrong, you call somebody

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<v Speaker 2>on it. So I know that's difficult to sit on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was even a moment tonight robes and it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to and I hate to to criticize folks who

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<v Speaker 2>are sitting in that position, but there was. It didn't

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<v Speaker 2>come off well. At one point when JD Vans, when

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<v Speaker 2>he being fact checked, he said, wait a second, y'all said,

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<v Speaker 2>he interrupted. They tried to move on. He said, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all said, the rules are, but now you're fact checking me,

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<v Speaker 2>so let me get in here.

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<v Speaker 3>And he spoke up and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about the CBP one application having to do with

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<v Speaker 2>immigration and the Haitians and gave his answer.

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<v Speaker 4>Her response to him it was it sounded sarcastic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that it didn't That moment didn't come off well. She

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<v Speaker 4>essentially okay, yeah, thank you for explaining the legal process

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<v Speaker 4>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't come off well.

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<v Speaker 1>She did say thank you so much for describing that

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<v Speaker 1>legal process to JD. Vance, And it did come off

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<v Speaker 1>as sarcastic, and again, more to that point than it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed as though it was a job against Jade Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>And regardless of how you feel about what he was

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<v Speaker 1>saying or his policy or his politics on immigration, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you E weren like, good for you. Good for you,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you're going to fact check me. He really

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<v Speaker 1>pushed his way through and made sure that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to basically fact check himself in that sense, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least have a rebuttal to their fact check. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was interesting. I also I liked that their mics

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<v Speaker 1>weren't cut off. I mean, they did cut them off

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<v Speaker 1>at one point when they wanted to move on, but

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<v Speaker 1>other than and that was that was an awkward moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know that I agreed with that choice

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<v Speaker 1>because I truly appreciated watching them go back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't mean spirited, it wasn't childish. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting and informative, and I wanted more of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I wish they hadn't cut the mics off

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment, But the rest of the debate I

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<v Speaker 1>really liked the mics.

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<v Speaker 2>On to your point, it's weird you have to have

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<v Speaker 2>different rules with different candidates. If you'd have left the

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<v Speaker 2>mics up for others possibly who were debate that weren't

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<v Speaker 2>those two guys, maybe it wouldn't have gone that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were even with the mics up, even when

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<v Speaker 2>they jumped in. It seemed like a back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>whether just rather than just an interruption or a rude interruption.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like it was a part of legitimate back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth and debate, and sometimes you talk over each other.

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<v Speaker 2>It was respectful, I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I so personally, I would like that to

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<v Speaker 1>be the case for even the presidential debates, because don't

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see how the leader who I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to choose to represent me in our country, how they

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<v Speaker 1>handled tense moments, how they handled difficult conversations, how they

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<v Speaker 1>handled being attacked or being insulted. This could be a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with a foreign leader. I want to see how

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<v Speaker 1>they handle themselves under pressure, when they're maybe even under attack.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would appreciate the mics being up because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's an important part of who we're voting for

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<v Speaker 1>and who were putting in this office, is their temperament

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<v Speaker 1>and their reactions and how they treat other people when

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<v Speaker 1>they're angry or when they're being accused of something. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciated seeing these two men debate, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated their mics being left on most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But to your point, when they did cut the mics.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like there was a time when Jade Vans

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to make a point and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>shut him down again. It's just I hate will already

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<v Speaker 2>going into it. The moderators are at a disadvantage because

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<v Speaker 2>people are looking at the left leaning media and there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be biased, and you just you have feed

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<v Speaker 2>it by doing what they did. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea. Fine, we're not going to referee it,

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<v Speaker 2>We're just going to give you the questions and step

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, and almost immediately they didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was It was also interesting because I was so

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<v Speaker 1>into the debate and listening to what these men had

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<v Speaker 1>to say, because they were actually saying things I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to. I never once did the QR code

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<v Speaker 1>with my phone, and I don't know if anyone else did.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had, but honestly, I was so into

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<v Speaker 1>the debate I wasn't even thinking about doing it. But

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps that could have been a useful source of information

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<v Speaker 1>as I was watching it. But that's tough. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not good at multitasking, so if I'm listening, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for me to do the QR code and

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<v Speaker 1>then start reading, and then I wouldn't be listening to

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<v Speaker 1>what they were saying. That's the only problem with the

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<v Speaker 1>QR code for me is that it's just hard to

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<v Speaker 1>do in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an interesting it was an engaging and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a nasty debate. I appreciated it, and we're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to get another one for four years now because

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<v Speaker 2>this is essentially the only last debate of the campaign season.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got one presidential debate and one vice presidential debate, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Most we got two presidential debates. Oh you're right, Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>different democratic.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one is probably best forgotten for most, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one that will go down in the history

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<v Speaker 1>books forever. So I stand corrected, TJ. You're right. We

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<v Speaker 1>had two presidential debates and one vice presidential debate, and

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<v Speaker 1>we now have how many days thirty something days to

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<v Speaker 1>decide who will be the next president and vice president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. I hope that tonight's debate, if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone is undecided or is on the fence, that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this gave them the information they needed to make the

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<v Speaker 1>best choice for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>And folks, this was said at the end of debate,

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<v Speaker 2>at close to the end of the bay. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to shake hands at the end, and he'll have my prayers,

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<v Speaker 2>best wishes, and my help whenever he needs it. That

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not even gonna tell you who said it, because

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. They said this on stage tonight, So

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter if the Democrat said or the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>said it. That that was the tone that was on

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<v Speaker 2>stage tonight that I appreciate it the folk. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at these two guys, you can't just start with okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they're decent dudes. I disagree with his policy. I strongly

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with his policy. I really hate that policy. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But if we just start with that foundation that these

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<v Speaker 2>guys seem to start with, it's a decent man across

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<v Speaker 2>the stage from me, it seemed like they at least

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<v Speaker 2>started with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, maybe it's something to it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that both of these men haven't been in

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<v Speaker 1>the national spotlight for very long. They've done they've been

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<v Speaker 1>local leaders and local politicians. But these two are fairly

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to they're newcomers to the national

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<v Speaker 1>political stage in a lot of ways. Most people don't

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<v Speaker 1>know them, and it gives me a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>hope that maybe the future isn't what the recent past

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<v Speaker 1>has been in terms of political debate. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like if I saw these two men, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they could actually potentially get a bill passed together,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something that we don't usually see in Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just felt a little hopeful at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this debate, and I hope many of you did too.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel better today than I did yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't say that at the end of the last

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<v Speaker 2>two Well what a night, folks. So we always appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you spending a little time with us here on Amy

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<v Speaker 2>and TJ. But for now, TJ Holme sitting across from

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<v Speaker 2>Amy Robot. What time is it here? Almost midnight?

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost midnight as we record this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get a couple hours of sleep and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see y'all. If you want to join us on

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<v Speaker 1>the morning run, we'll be up for that as well

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow

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<v Speaker 4>With the show pots and Chan