Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. So there's a movie that just came out.
Speaker 1: Maybe you've heard about it, Sicky. No, not that one.
Speaker 1: What am I five years old?
Speaker 2: It is an art choosing gladiators. They're usually prisoners of war.
Speaker 1: No, not that one. What am I five thousand years old?
Speaker 1: Although at least I hear Ridley Scott allowed men's thighs
Speaker 1: to be in this one. No, the movie, the movie
Speaker 1: that anyone who's ever been a ten year old theater
Speaker 1: kid has been looking forward to for twenty years. Are
Speaker 1: people born wicked.
Speaker 2: Or should they have wickedness thrust upon them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Wicked Part one is in theaters and it's good
Speaker 1: and everyone likes it. And if you're like Jamie, I
Speaker 1: thought you were a guys girl. Why have you seen
Speaker 1: Wicked more than once? Well, guess what, I've seen it
Speaker 1: three times. And being a musical theater fan is not
Speaker 1: a gendered experience, Okay. And also I am a huge
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz fan in general, always have been. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite movie, and in middle school I made that
Speaker 1: my entire personality in the way that middle schoolers do.
Speaker 1: I thought, Hey, if I know every single thing that
Speaker 1: happens in the Wizard of Oz, expanded universe. Maybe no
Speaker 1: one will notice that I have a backbrace. Teeth braces
Speaker 1: and hand me down glasses with frames from the eighties
Speaker 1: didn't work, but I retained a lot. I love the
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine classic movie starring Judy Garland. I love
Speaker 1: the L. Frank Bomb books, which were far more complicated
Speaker 1: and weird than the movie is. I loved learning about
Speaker 1: the other adaptations The Wiz returned to Oz and most
Speaker 1: famous an entire novel I wrote in eighth grade called
Speaker 1: Rosalie of Oz that I sometimes kind of want to
Speaker 1: record an audiobook for like for fun. I am not
Speaker 1: a fake fan. I know my shit. And just as
Speaker 1: I was getting really into oz Lare during those middle
Speaker 1: school years, I learned that there was another piece of
Speaker 1: lore on Broadway called Wicked, the true story of the
Speaker 1: Wicked Witch of the West, who in the adaptation is
Speaker 1: named Elpha but Throp in her college Frenemie Glinda formerly
Speaker 1: Glinda upland based on the books Wicked and Son of
Speaker 1: a Witch by Gregory Maguire, which we won't get into
Speaker 1: in this episode. They're pornographic, They're really fucked up. Anyways,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of lore surrounding Oz and Glinda specifically,
Speaker 1: so when the Wicked movie was finally supposed to be
Speaker 1: coming out, and at this point, this is a movie
Speaker 1: based on a musical based on a book based on
Speaker 1: a movie based on a book series from over one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. Babe, I was ready. But let's be honest,
Speaker 1: not everyone knows as much about Wizard of ozlore as
Speaker 1: I do, and particularly the subject of today's episode of
Speaker 1: sixteen minute. So before we begin and get into our story,
Speaker 1: I need to give a quick lesson who is Glinda
Speaker 1: the good Witch? Well, it's a bit of a complicated question,
Speaker 1: and I am going to spare you all of the
Speaker 1: pornographic details of Gregoriya Maguire's novel Wicked. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you about miss Glinda because many of you are not educated,
Speaker 1: and by many of you, I do mean the eleven
Speaker 1: year old sitting next to me at the last time
Speaker 1: I saw Wicked, who turned to their older sibling and
Speaker 1: asked if Wicked was based on something? Okay, bitch. Glinda
Speaker 1: is a character that most people were introduced to in
Speaker 1: the Victor Fleming directed Judy Garland starring nineteen thirty nine
Speaker 1: movie adaptation Classic and in that movie, she is a
Speaker 1: beautiful blonde woman in a big pink ball gown who
Speaker 1: comes down to meet our protagonist Dorothy in a big
Speaker 1: pink bubble, introducing herself as the good Witch of the North. However,
Speaker 1: she is of course introduced first in L. Frank Baum's
Speaker 1: classic children's book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, all the
Speaker 1: way back in nineteen hundred and While this is the
Speaker 1: version of Glinda that most people are familiar with prior
Speaker 1: to the release of Wicked, in this source material, Glinda
Speaker 1: is not the good Witch of the North. She is
Speaker 1: the good Witch of the South. The nineteen thirty nine
Speaker 1: adaptation composites both of these parts into a single character,
Speaker 1: but in the book, Glinda doesn't appear at the beginning
Speaker 1: and the end as in the movie, but only at
Speaker 1: the end. In the book, the Witch of the North
Speaker 1: is a completely different person. She is an older looking
Speaker 1: woman with far less magical powers than Glinda, who is
Speaker 1: called either Lacasta or Taddy Pooh, depending on which book
Speaker 1: in the series you're reading. And it's this witch La
Speaker 1: Costa who is the one that gives Dorothy what we
Speaker 1: know as the Ruby Slippers. If you're a movie fan,
Speaker 1: or are the silver slippers in both the source material
Speaker 1: and in Wicked these are the shoes that are taken
Speaker 1: from the Wicked Witch of the East after she's crushed
Speaker 1: by Dorothy's house, and the Wicked Witch of the North,
Speaker 1: La Costa, enchants these shoes with a protection charm for
Speaker 1: Dorothy's journey to the Emerald City. And it's not that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to do more for Dorothy, that's just
Speaker 1: all her magic can accomplish. That's the limits of her power. Then,
Speaker 1: at the end of the story, Glinda, the Good Witch
Speaker 1: of the South appears for the first time. Dorothy has
Speaker 1: now met the Scarecrow, the tin Man, and the Lion.
Speaker 1: They've gone to see the Wizard at the Emerald City.
Speaker 1: They've killed the Wicked Witch of the West in exchange
Speaker 1: for their heart's desires from the Wizard, only to find
Speaker 1: out that he is a total fraud from Nebraska. And
Speaker 1: then Glinda arrives and is a far more powerful witch
Speaker 1: than her foot free colleague in the North. Dorothy and
Speaker 1: company traveled to the South of oz to meet Glinda,
Speaker 1: who then tells Dorothy how to get home using her
Speaker 1: silver shoes. Glinda, the Good Witch of the South looks
Speaker 1: far closer to the movie adaptation we're used to seeing
Speaker 1: with Billy Burke. She's young and beautiful, with long, red,
Speaker 1: flowing hair and blue eyes, and she's suggested to be immortal.
Speaker 1: And while she only appears at the end of the
Speaker 1: first book, she later becomes a far more important and
Speaker 1: active character. L. Frank Baum wrote fourteen oz books in
Speaker 1: his lifetime, and other authors picked up the series where
Speaker 1: he left off, and Glinda becomes a huge part of
Speaker 1: finding the rightful ruler of oz the child Princess Ozma Princess.
Speaker 1: Remember that? And I know you're thinking, does Glinda have
Speaker 1: an all women's militia? Yes, she does amazing. But in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirty nine movie, which I'm assuming you are
Speaker 1: far more familiar with, Glinda is a composite of these
Speaker 1: two characters, as played by iconic vaudeville actress Billy Burke.
Speaker 3: Let the joyous news be spread the wickedo which.
Speaker 1: It lovest his name. This Glinda appears twice in the story,
Speaker 1: appearing first to give Dorothy the ruby slippers, not the
Speaker 1: silver as in the book, and then returns at the
Speaker 1: end to finally tell her how to use them. Hmmm,
Speaker 1: that doesn't always sit well with viewers as they get older,
Speaker 1: because nineteen thirty nine, Glinda lets Dorothy languish in the
Speaker 1: trenches almost dying for most of the movie and then
Speaker 1: just kind of pops back up at the end, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, yeah, you actually could have gone home
Speaker 1: the whole time. I just thought if I told you,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe me. You've always had the power to
Speaker 1: go back to Kanson.
Speaker 2: But why didn't you tell her before?
Speaker 1: Because you wouldn't have believe me.
Speaker 2: She had to learn it for herself, and.
Speaker 4: Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: She would have believed you, And so over the years,
Speaker 1: if you're over analyzing this movie, which is a whole
Speaker 1: cottage industry, it could seem like Glinda is kind of
Speaker 1: messing with Dorothy this whole time in order to ostensibly
Speaker 1: teach her a lesson about appreciating never moving out of Kansas,
Speaker 1: begging the question, if Glinda's so good, why did she
Speaker 1: let this child almost die so many times? That's a
Speaker 1: bit of an oversimplification. And there's a million other versions
Speaker 1: of this character, but those two are the primary versions
Speaker 1: of Glinda being referenced in Wicked and in Today's Story.
Speaker 1: Glinda Glinda Taddy Pooh. Whichever version of this character was
Speaker 1: introduced to you earliest is probably the one that you
Speaker 1: hold most dear. She is pink, she is hyper feminine,
Speaker 1: she's powerful, she's kind alone. But if you haven't encountered
Speaker 1: this character in a couple of decades, maybe your memory
Speaker 1: of her is a little hazy. Maybe you're not like
Speaker 1: me and tempted to bully every eleven year old you
Speaker 1: meet at an amc Which brings us to today's subject,
Speaker 1: a viral clip where two grown men are intensely fighting
Speaker 1: about this very character, Glinda the Good in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: You've maybe seen this video if you have spent any
Speaker 1: time online in the last ten years. But my god, congratulations,
Speaker 1: if this is the first time you're hearing it, it's
Speaker 1: a classic.
Speaker 5: Her sister was a witch?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: And what was her sister?
Speaker 1: Princess matt Piesero, the wicked witch of the East Row.
Speaker 4: Your sixteenth minute starts now.
Speaker 3: Six six.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to sixteenth Minute, the podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a look at the most notorious Internet characters of the day,
Speaker 1: see how their moment affected them and what it says
Speaker 1: about us and the Internet. And I could not be
Speaker 1: more excited for this week's episode. It is truly my
Speaker 1: dream episode. So let's just get right into it. Q
Speaker 1: I Dina Menzel, thank you so much. Cue Cynthia Arrivo,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I'm your host, Jamie Loftus. And
Speaker 1: by the time this episode comes out, I will have
Speaker 1: seen Wicked Part one three times in theaters and have
Speaker 1: tickets to see the touring production with my mom in January.
Speaker 1: And while I have not personally been blessed with any
Speaker 1: musical talent outside of being extremely good at the OBO
Speaker 1: in high school, yes, thank you so much. That was
Speaker 1: me variations on the Korean Folks song early twenty tens.
Speaker 1: That's called talent. So after making you wait a whole week,
Speaker 1: we're back with an exclusive interview, the first this man
Speaker 1: has done in years, with Matt Piso, the Wicked Witch
Speaker 1: of the East Bro. Now it's possible you haven't seen
Speaker 1: this video at all, and it's possible that you saw
Speaker 1: it almost six years ago when it first went viral,
Speaker 1: And now it's quite possible you saw it go viral
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks as the Wicked movie and
Speaker 1: its super fans began using the audio from that clip
Speaker 1: as lip synctracks everywhere, from TikTokers dressed up like Glinda
Speaker 1: to and I'm not kidding Ariana Grande herself lip syncing
Speaker 1: to the clip with famed William hung impersonator Jimmy Fallon.
Speaker 1: But in case this is your point of entry, we're
Speaker 1: going to take a full look at how this clip,
Speaker 1: which goes viral multiple times a year, regardless of whether
Speaker 1: there is a new OZ property making a billion dollars
Speaker 1: at the box office a little closer. So here, I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you what we knew when I began
Speaker 1: working on this episode, and in our exclusive interview with
Speaker 1: you wiki Bitch of the eastbro himself, Matt Pacero, you'll
Speaker 1: learn a lot more about some of the most commonly
Speaker 1: asked questions about this moment in Internet history. But first
Speaker 1: we got to break this thing down. Come with me
Speaker 1: if you dare to Spring twenty eighteen, there's a salmonella
Speaker 1: outbreak in the Midwest. A beautiful woman named Jamie Loftus
Speaker 1: performs her show I Lost My Virginity on August fifteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty ten, and somewhere in Canada, Matt Pacero is caught
Speaker 1: on camera having a very spirited argument with another man
Speaker 1: possibly named Doug, about whether Glinda is a witch or
Speaker 1: a princess. And look now that you graduated from my
Speaker 1: Glinda one oh one, course you've arrived armed with knowledge,
Speaker 1: and Matt does not have that benefit. So let's hear
Speaker 1: him out. I'm gonna break down this clip because a
Speaker 1: lot happens in the twenty three seconds that it lasts.
Speaker 1: The energy immediately is at an eleven Matt, who is
Speaker 1: a white guy in a black hoodie and jeans with
Speaker 1: blonde hair that is very intentionally flopping as he expresses
Speaker 1: his opinion, gesturing with these intense prayer hands. He is,
Speaker 1: as you will hear, screaming at another white guy with
Speaker 1: a shaved head wearing a blaid shirt who seems sort
Speaker 1: of annoyed but also kind of entertained. It's important to
Speaker 1: note that there is nothing within the frame of the
Speaker 1: video that indicates how or why this argument started, only
Speaker 1: that it seems to have been going on for a
Speaker 1: while at this point. So, knowing what we now do
Speaker 1: about Glinda, let's fact check Matt's argument. He starts like this,
Speaker 1: her sister was a witch, right, Okay, okay, So we're
Speaker 1: not absolutely sure who's being talked about at the very
Speaker 1: beginning when Matt says her. But I'm going to assume
Speaker 1: he means the Wicked Witch of the West here, and
Speaker 1: that is correct. Technically, the Wicked Witch of the West
Speaker 1: does have a sister, the Wicked Witch of the East,
Speaker 1: who in Wicked is the character nessa Rose and in
Speaker 1: the movie is crushed by doors these houses.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Who killed the Witch of the East.
Speaker 4: You okay, Matt, you can continue.
Speaker 5: Right, And what was her sister, princess?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So at this point in the video, Matt
Speaker 1: is walking away kind of like mic Drop style, while
Speaker 1: the other guy is still frustrated but laughing, and the
Speaker 1: person holding the camera is like laughing their ass off.
Speaker 1: So fact check everything he says here is wrong. He's
Speaker 1: talking as if all witches are sisters. I guess that's
Speaker 1: not true. Furthermore, none of them are princesses. As we learned,
Speaker 1: there is a princess of oz named Ozma, but she
Speaker 1: doesn't appear in the nineteen thirty nine adaptation that they
Speaker 1: seem to be talking about. So he's wrong, and the
Speaker 1: guy in the plaid shirt is getting really aggravated. Let's
Speaker 1: see if Matt can stick the landing.
Speaker 2: Here we're gonna you're gonna tell me that I am
Speaker 2: I wrong?
Speaker 1: So much happens in this four seconds. So the guy
Speaker 1: in the plaid shirt who Matt's yelling at, smiles at
Speaker 1: the camera and says, quote, I'm gonna stab him, unquote,
Speaker 1: before taking a switchblade out of what appears to be
Speaker 1: thin fucking air. He walks towards Matt, who is walking away,
Speaker 1: still yelling at volume a million. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have had this experience with this video,
Speaker 1: but I like, never noticed that there is a knife
Speaker 1: in this video until I had watched it over twenty times,
Speaker 1: not only because it's just in frame for a second,
Speaker 1: but because Matt sees and doesn't react to it, and
Speaker 1: the other guy doesn't seem serious about actually using it,
Speaker 1: which begs the question who are these men to each other?
Speaker 1: But okay, let's let Matt finish.
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Wore a crown and she came.
Speaker 2: Down in a bull.
Speaker 1: This is the most famous part of the video. She
Speaker 1: wore a crown and came down in a bubble dug, which, again,
Speaker 1: that does not make you a princess. And assuming they're
Speaker 1: talking about the movie, which they definitely are. I'm tempted
Speaker 1: to cut Matt some slack here if it weren't for
Speaker 1: the fact that one of Glinda the Good Witch's most
Speaker 1: famous lines addresses this explicitly.
Speaker 3: I am a witch, I'm Linda, you are.
Speaker 5: I beg your pardon, but I've never heard of a
Speaker 5: beautiful witch before, only bed which is ugly.
Speaker 1: And once more, Matt at this point is clearly calling
Speaker 1: Glinda the wicked Witch of the East, which isn't true.
Speaker 1: She was killed by a house who killed He incorrectly
Speaker 1: assumes that she's a princess and a sister with any
Speaker 1: other witch, and then confidently defends the most wrong anyone
Speaker 1: has ever been saying. The following and scene this argument
Speaker 1: is so intense and petty and weird you can almost
Speaker 1: forget that the guy implaid possible. Doug is holding an
Speaker 1: unsheathed knife while saying that The Wizard of Oz is
Speaker 1: his favorite movie, which is a fascinating display of masculinity.
Speaker 1: This is a viral video that everyone has their favorite
Speaker 1: line of, their favorite moment of and most importantly, for
Speaker 1: my purposes, your favorite question about My favorite question about
Speaker 1: this has always been does that guy have a knife?
Speaker 1: But Others have questions like, how do these men know
Speaker 1: each other? What happened before the video started, what happened
Speaker 1: after the video ends? Is he saying dog or is
Speaker 1: he saying Doug. It is art in the form of
Speaker 1: a twenty three second video, and you might not be
Speaker 1: surprised to hear that it was catnip for the algorithm
Speaker 1: of the time, and something that has continued to be
Speaker 1: successful in the algorithm since for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: But it's a white man yelling about something incorrectly. Empires
Speaker 1: have fallen over lass. That's said. The origins of this
Speaker 1: clip are a little bit hard to trace, but there's
Speaker 1: no doubt that its most successful iteration to date was
Speaker 1: uploaded by a YouTube user named Austin Parish on April third,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. But this is definitely a re upload of
Speaker 1: a clip from somewhere else, and at first I couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out from where or which person in the original
Speaker 1: group of three, either Matt, Doug, question Mark or the
Speaker 1: person recording the video had uploaded it in the first place.
Speaker 1: And as of this recording, there are eleven million views
Speaker 1: on this re uploaded YouTube clip, and it quickly spread
Speaker 1: across platforms. We're talking Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. It's one of
Speaker 1: those rare clips that basically anyone can enjoy because it
Speaker 1: was a weird argument about an intellectual property that everyone
Speaker 1: knows about in some shape or form. It's a clip
Speaker 1: that's highly shareable for my auntie on Facebook, and it's
Speaker 1: a very popular clip to lip sync two on TikTok,
Speaker 1: and it's since joined in ashelon viral clip that tends
Speaker 1: to go viral around once a year for one reason
Speaker 1: or another. It's just there's something very pleasing about seeing
Speaker 1: someone aggressively double down about something that they're both wrong
Speaker 1: about and isn't important because so many people double down
Speaker 1: about things that are so At the time of publication
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, here's a taste of the response on
Speaker 1: the original YouTube post. The delivery of It's my Favorite
Speaker 1: Movie remains the most slept on part of this I
Speaker 1: love how his hair was fully engaged in the argument.
Speaker 6: I'm so glad my dad's condom broke, or else I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to experience this masterpiece.
Speaker 1: But what I find most interesting about this story is that,
Speaker 1: in the immediate sense, no one ever really comes forward
Speaker 1: to claim this clip as their own in a public sense,
Speaker 1: and by twenty eighteen, that is super unusual. This is
Speaker 1: a post Ken Bone world where everyday people can be
Speaker 1: he launched from nowhere and have a whole second life
Speaker 1: as an influencer if they choose to. That doesn't happen
Speaker 1: with this clip, and it's never really been clear to
Speaker 1: me why that is. The vast majority of people have
Speaker 1: no idea who these men are to each other, or
Speaker 1: what their names even are to this day. Lucky for you,
Speaker 1: I'm a freak of nature and a pervert with a
Speaker 1: lot of time, and so I pathetically begged for his
Speaker 1: identity on Twitter dot com. Someone thankfully sent me Matt's
Speaker 1: name and I was able to find out a little
Speaker 1: bit more about how he is engaged with not just
Speaker 1: this story but the Internet in general. And before I
Speaker 1: spoke with him, his Internet presence was still extremely limited.
Speaker 1: I would describe Matt Pasero as terminally Canadian. Here's Matt
Speaker 1: and his brother applying to The Amazing Race Canada in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Sorry that I found this, Matt.
Speaker 5: I'm Matt Pasero, I'm John Pasicero. This is our audition
Speaker 5: tape for The Amazing race Canada. I know you're thinking,
Speaker 5: why are these two buffoons wearing American hockey jersey? But
Speaker 5: this is what bons us together, our.
Speaker 2: Love for the Bruins.
Speaker 1: Okay, go Bruins. But after this clip goes viral, Matt
Speaker 1: never displays a desire to capitalize it, or at least
Speaker 1: never says so publicly. And there's never been an indication
Speaker 1: of who the other people are involved in the video.
Speaker 1: The clip is said to have been featured on a
Speaker 1: lot of daily shows like Ellen, but without anyone from
Speaker 1: the videos participation. And I couldn't help, but wonder if
Speaker 1: Ellen wasn't able to get this guy? There's only one
Speaker 1: other person who could so did Daniel Tosh? Yes he did.
Speaker 1: Around a month after this video first went viral in
Speaker 1: May twenty eighteen, Matt Basero made his only public appearance
Speaker 1: until now on Tosh point zero and Matt is really
Speaker 1: game for it.
Speaker 2: Please welcome Matt. We'll be going. Man.
Speaker 1: You are brawngro I.
Speaker 2: Am wrong, but I'm also right. I need you to
Speaker 2: look at a picture of a princess, just a standard princess,
Speaker 2: and tell me to the untrained eye that that's not
Speaker 2: a princess.
Speaker 1: Glenna the good Witch is the protective princess Oz was
Speaker 1: the rightful air to Oz.
Speaker 2: You git it?
Speaker 1: Who think they would hire a princess to protect another princess?
Speaker 1: Me and Daniel Tosh on the same page, imagine. But
Speaker 1: in terms of further appearances on camera as himself, that's
Speaker 1: about it for Matt. Not that it stops the clip
Speaker 1: from going viral, as it always does, but it's just
Speaker 1: that he's not really engaging with it. To date, there's
Speaker 1: only one small indication that Matt might have an interest
Speaker 1: in extending this moment of fame, but even that is
Speaker 1: still done mainly in the hobby sense, meaning Matt had
Speaker 1: a podcast with his friends called The Grocery Stick that
Speaker 1: ran from late twenty nineteen to mid twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: It seems to be, and I say this with love,
Speaker 1: a podcast where three friends who are men shoot the
Speaker 1: shit about their lives and sports. But unfortunately I cannot
Speaker 1: confirm that for you because every instance of this podcast
Speaker 1: is now unstreamable on all platforms. However, the list of
Speaker 1: episode titles is still available, and one of the earliest,
Speaker 1: from January twenty twenty is titled Wizard of Oz Viral
Speaker 1: Video Breakdown. So at some point Matt was willing to
Speaker 1: share the full story, but again on a small podcast
Speaker 1: that Matt tells me really just their friends were listening
Speaker 1: to without Matt's participation. Time marched on, and a few
Speaker 1: viral cycles later, the Wicked movie press tour began, and
Speaker 1: I thought at the time this clip will not be
Speaker 1: far behind. I'm going to show some restraint here and
Speaker 1: not subject to you to a protracted conversation about the
Speaker 1: Wicked press tour, but suffice it to say it has
Speaker 1: been very chaotic.
Speaker 2: People are taking the lyrics of define Gravit and really
Speaker 2: holding space with that and feeling power in that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was happening. Oh sure, two
Speaker 1: of the cast members left their respective spouses for each other,
Speaker 1: but has any good theater production not prompted dramatic betrayals
Speaker 1: between two people under five eight? And all of this aside,
Speaker 1: there was other stuff in the marketing as well.
Speaker 6: If Sanna brings them a Wicked doll, Apparently Mattel put
Speaker 6: the url of a porn site on all the packaging
Speaker 6: for the Wicked dolls and then the instruction manuals, and
Speaker 6: I don't know if they'd caught on or not the
Speaker 6: Internet's caught on I.
Speaker 1: Want the Wicked porn doll. But as a fan, I
Speaker 1: was waiting for the Wicked Witch of the Eastbro moment
Speaker 1: to enter this media cycle until mid November of this year,
Speaker 1: when one Ariana Grande appeared on Jimmy Fallon as she
Speaker 1: often does, and the official show account posted a clip
Speaker 1: of the two of them lip syncing too the Wicked
Speaker 1: Witch of the East Brough and with that the clip
Speaker 1: had officially passed into the mainstream again. So where's Matt
Speaker 1: when we come back? My conversation with the Matt Pisero.
Speaker 1: Imagine me pulling out a knife. Here, welcome back to
Speaker 1: sixteenth minute. In spite of my best efforts, I have
Speaker 1: achieved a new level of depression where I'm playing Neopets
Speaker 1: and dressing them up like the characters from Wicked. Because
Speaker 1: Neopets is exactly as I left it in middle school,
Speaker 1: except you can buy them wigs. Now they finally perfected it,
Speaker 1: and without further ado, here is my interview with the
Speaker 1: Wicked Witch of the East Bro, Matt Pisero.
Speaker 2: My name is Matt Pasero. I am the Wicked Witch
Speaker 2: of the East Bro and as as much as there's
Speaker 2: many imitators out there. There is only myself. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people now since the movie's coming out, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying it's their video, and it's
Speaker 2: it's really, it's my video. It's my video, even though
Speaker 2: I haven't done anything with it. It is my video.
Speaker 1: That's craven. Wait, who has are people? Do people believe
Speaker 1: it's someone else?
Speaker 2: Will you? Well, you know Jimmy Fallon and Ariana Grande
Speaker 2: a yeah video, And there's there's a lot of comments
Speaker 2: underneath saying tag this person or that person in the video.
Speaker 2: And I had my cousin actually was the one. I'm
Speaker 2: very I take a back seat on a lot of this.
Speaker 2: I take a back seat on a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But she she made sure to comment on every single
Speaker 2: comment to be like, no, this is the person that
Speaker 2: you should be tagging in this video. Good.
Speaker 1: You need someone like charging into the comments on your behalf.
Speaker 2: They're shut. Absolutely, I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly, I was like, with the movie coming up,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we got you. Thank you, thank you for
Speaker 1: telling me.
Speaker 2: It's a perfect perfect timing, right, It's fantastic timing. Every
Speaker 2: year it seems to have a yea of some kind.
Speaker 2: Somebody posts it in relation to something and it just
Speaker 2: and my my my Instagram or my my Facebook. People
Speaker 2: find me. I don't know how they find me. I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not somebody that says, hey, look for me.
Speaker 2: I want to be right viral.
Speaker 1: So I have a lot of questions for you about that,
Speaker 1: because that's like fairly unusual. Most people are like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's do this. But before we get there, I want
Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about you. Where are
Speaker 1: you from? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2: I I live in Canada, so Ontario. Yeah, I grew
Speaker 2: up here. The video was shot in Peterborough, Peterborough. I
Speaker 2: was living in Peterborough at the time. If you want
Speaker 2: a little backdrop, we were. The backdrop of the story
Speaker 2: is we were. We were out day drinking at at
Speaker 2: a bar at a brock Street I'll do a shout
Speaker 2: out for brock Street Brewery in Peterborough.
Speaker 1: There should be a plaque there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we were there day drinking and then we
Speaker 2: went home and back to Peterborough where I was living
Speaker 2: at the time, and that's what happened. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: uh yeah living. I'm thirty five. I'm a much older
Speaker 2: gentleman than I look. A lot of people think I'm
Speaker 2: in my early twenties, which I take the compliment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thirty five, livin in Oshua, one kid, a wife, little
Speaker 2: little house, just just small, small time eleven. No, I
Speaker 2: don't want to have that uber fame, I think. Anyways,
Speaker 2: I'm now at the point with the all my friends
Speaker 2: and family that I know is like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you're you're down with like this video blows off
Speaker 2: all the time. Why are you here out of your
Speaker 2: mind to not do.
Speaker 1: Something right when this video came out? And just in general,
Speaker 1: what is your relationship to the internet like.
Speaker 2: Bait zero? Like I said, I'm thirty five, so I'm
Speaker 2: assuming we're similar.
Speaker 1: Age ish Yeah, I'm thirty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we grew up in the pre internet time
Speaker 2: and I got Facebook when I was in grade ten.
Speaker 2: I got Instagram in twenty twenty one, so two years
Speaker 2: after that video and viral. I never had Instagram before that.
Speaker 2: I got Instagram for whatever reason I don't know. I
Speaker 2: now have Instagram and I'm addicted to scrolling reels now.
Speaker 2: It's a blessing and a curse all in one, right,
Speaker 2: So I got Facebook, I got Instagram. Keep me off
Speaker 2: of everything else.
Speaker 1: You're on the Zuckerberg products.
Speaker 2: Beat me away from it. I don't want nothing to
Speaker 2: do with it. You start them young, now, I think
Speaker 2: that's how it works, right. I'm pretty sure there's parents
Speaker 2: out there that make the Facebook account for they're two
Speaker 2: month old, and then they write on it like CALLI
Speaker 2: loves you and she says hello.
Speaker 1: Okay, So your relationship to the Internet, you're You're a
Speaker 1: pretty offline guy.
Speaker 2: Basically nothing. Well, I'm in car sales. My job for
Speaker 2: the last long while has been car sales, So I
Speaker 2: guess I have a little bit of a little bit
Speaker 2: of a relationship to the Internet because I do post
Speaker 2: videos for stuff like that. But oh, okay, I guess
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never I've never bridged the gap
Speaker 2: between the internet thing that is that video and what
Speaker 2: I do for my job. I'm sure there is some
Speaker 2: sort of balance that could be made there that I've
Speaker 2: never capitalized on.
Speaker 1: But and of course, your relationship to the Wizard of
Speaker 1: Oz prior to this this big moment.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's the question everyone asked, and that's
Speaker 2: the question that everyone said they go. You know, everyone says,
Speaker 2: this guy knows he's wrong. Right, he's not right, this
Speaker 2: is wrong.
Speaker 1: What he's that is not the feeling I got from you, of.
Speaker 2: Course, right. I've lived my entire life with the conviction
Speaker 2: of whether you're right or wrong. If you're the loudest
Speaker 2: in the room, you're the asshole, and you're probably going
Speaker 2: to be taken seriously. So I'm well aware that my
Speaker 2: argument was wrong. It's not right. Right. So people have
Speaker 2: told me multiple times that that you are very wrong
Speaker 2: in what you say. And I will stand by my
Speaker 2: conviction to this point that I am right. She came
Speaker 2: down in a bubble sock, she's princess right.
Speaker 1: You do deliver it with a lot of confidence. It's
Speaker 1: and and if you do realize that you're wrong within
Speaker 1: the space of the video, then the volume just increases. Right,
Speaker 1: which is it's a good system to be fair.
Speaker 2: That is that if you ask anybody in my life,
Speaker 2: that is what they say, they say, Matt will not
Speaker 2: even if he's wrong, he will argue until his last
Speaker 2: breath that he's right.
Speaker 1: So you should run for office or something.
Speaker 2: That's another thing. Keep you out of it, keep you
Speaker 2: off the internet, keep me out of office.
Speaker 1: It's trouble all to yourself. Yeah, when was the last
Speaker 1: time you had seen The Wizard of Oz prior to
Speaker 1: the argument?
Speaker 2: Like the main the first ever movie? Jesus, I don't.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know, probably when I was fourteen, twenty
Speaker 2: years ago. Problem. Yeah, and the other guy, So, the
Speaker 2: other guy in the video, he says it's his favorite video, right,
Speaker 2: or a favorite video or movie. Sorry, it's his favorite
Speaker 2: movie right right, and he watches it constantly. So I
Speaker 2: had no right. I had no right argument with that
Speaker 2: type of conduction. I haven't seen the movie in twenty years.
Speaker 2: Who do I think I am right?
Speaker 1: So walk me through this day you were day drinking?
Speaker 1: Who are you with? Who is this man to you?
Speaker 1: And who is filming?
Speaker 2: So I'll give you so I'll spill the tea. I'll
Speaker 2: spill the tea here. Please. This is this is some
Speaker 2: heavy TV, to be honest with you. The Internet, from
Speaker 2: what I've read, loves loves this kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: the person filming the video is a very old friend.
Speaker 2: I don't speak with her anymore. But the other guy
Speaker 2: in the video is my cousin. Obviously grew up with him.
Speaker 2: He's a couple of years younger than me. But how
Speaker 2: the day started, Like I said, rockouse brewery, having some drinks,
Speaker 2: going out, going back to our house, and we were
Speaker 2: playing a game of headbands. You know, headbands?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Headbands on yet something in the headbands? So what was
Speaker 2: on the headbands? Was Oz? Right? So I don't know
Speaker 2: how it came about the argument. The argument just it
Speaker 2: organically grew. So I'm whether I'm wrong or I'm right,
Speaker 2: my conviction will be there. That's their way. And I also,
Speaker 2: I'm an instigator. I like to stir the pod a
Speaker 2: little bit. Knowing this guy, I know I could stirre
Speaker 2: the pod pretty easily, so instigate him a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it turned into I don't I don't really
Speaker 2: know how the argument itself started with Oz. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He couldn't get it, he couldn't get the clue of
Speaker 2: Oz of the headman right, And yeah it was it
Speaker 2: was probably that was probably halfway through an argument that
Speaker 2: we were already having.
Speaker 1: So I can only image starts.
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine what the video itself would have turned into.
Speaker 2: If the recording would have started at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the it would have been a twelve minute video and.
Speaker 1: Then okay, so this is the peak of the argument.
Speaker 2: The peak you caught. Yeah you got you cut the
Speaker 2: head bob and the hair foil, which is which turned
Speaker 2: it into whatever it is today. Right, So yeah, but
Speaker 2: he we we actually so the TA itself is me
Speaker 2: and him don't speak anymore. We haven't talked actually since
Speaker 2: that video. So he he didn't want any sort of
Speaker 2: quote unquote fane from that video, and we actually he
Speaker 2: told us to delete the original video. And so when
Speaker 2: it started blowing up, so after it was taken, it
Speaker 2: blew up immensely.
Speaker 1: So was it originally posted? And who posted it?
Speaker 2: The girl who took the video posted it on one
Speaker 2: of her Facebook pages, okay, something that she followed. It
Speaker 2: was some sort of I don't think I had anything
Speaker 2: to do with the Wizard of Bodds. What she posted
Speaker 2: it on. She posted on some Facebook group and overnight
Speaker 2: it had one hundred and seventy five thousand views. When
Speaker 2: I woke up, it was literally like in the blink
Speaker 2: of an eye like that, and I went, well, holy shit,
Speaker 2: that's that's great. That's why, right, And the other guy
Speaker 2: in the video said take it down now. After twenty
Speaker 2: four hours he said, I don't want that. Take it
Speaker 2: down now. The problem with the internet is when it's
Speaker 2: on the internet. Yeah, if you remove that video from
Speaker 2: whatever page you posted it, somebody already has it, right,
Speaker 2: somebody has the video. So it ended up turning into
Speaker 2: what it is today from us?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 1: He just didn't want that level of visibility.
Speaker 2: Well, there's I guess there's more to it. He worked for,
Speaker 2: he worked for the city that he worked in, Okay,
Speaker 2: and he didn't want to lose his job. For whatever reason,
Speaker 2: he thought he would lose his job if it went viral.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't in the position to argue with him
Speaker 2: to say, hey man, we might make a couple of
Speaker 2: dollars off this if you if you sign on to
Speaker 2: kind of turn it into something. It's good. It's already something.
Speaker 1: So he's in the right in the video. Ultimately he
Speaker 1: does does he have a knife in the video?
Speaker 2: He's not in the right. See this is where were
Speaker 2: you were about to.
Speaker 1: Get into an Okay, Okay, why have I wrong?
Speaker 2: He's in the wrong on this one. It may be
Speaker 2: his favorite video, but I had this, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was on I was on Tosh point zero when
Speaker 2: the video was one and all that kind of stuff. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I challenge anybody, anyone in the world to take a
Speaker 2: look at this woman and say, no, that's a witch
Speaker 2: and not a princess. That's not plausible. In my mind,
Speaker 2: it's not a witch. I don't agree that it's a witch.
Speaker 2: And you may write it into your script to tell
Speaker 2: me it's a witch. I disagree with you, and I
Speaker 2: will argue until my last breath.
Speaker 1: There's so many realities that we can live. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you, she is. Here's what I'll concede. She is
Speaker 1: like what we've been conditioned to think of as a princess.
Speaker 1: So you you hold your ground.
Speaker 2: I will hold my ground on that. I will hold you.
Speaker 2: Tell me what you look like, and I will call
Speaker 2: you by that that's okay, I look at you okay
Speaker 2: by judgment, but I will.
Speaker 1: Look at you like princess.
Speaker 2: You're a princess. You are you can call yourself a witch.
Speaker 2: You're a princess of my eyes.
Speaker 1: And when we come back more with Matt Pisero, welcome
Speaker 1: back to sixteenth minute. I controversially find it weird how
Speaker 1: Jeff gold Bloom poses with very young women in pictures.
Speaker 1: And here's the rest of my interview with the Wicked
Speaker 1: Witch of the eastbro Matt Piserro. And then so I
Speaker 1: do does your cousin have a knife in that video?
Speaker 2: He does, Yes, he does, he does have a Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: he did threaten to stab me like in all that
Speaker 2: unity and we're talking about it. If I probably hold
Speaker 2: the case here, I could probably sue him for some
Speaker 2: sort of He might have tried to kill me. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. He may we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know what happened after Well that that is
Speaker 1: a question. I have what happened after the.
Speaker 2: After the video? So I so I walk around the corner.
Speaker 2: So the end of the video, I walk around the corner. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: he had a switchblade. He came with the switchblade. I
Speaker 2: dodged it. He came my neck, dodged it, hit him
Speaker 2: with a left jab right left job, knocked him down. Yes, no,
Speaker 2: that's all I am. I'm it. He put the pocket
Speaker 2: knife away. It was all right. Yeah, Like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely I'm known for being in my family that
Speaker 2: person that instigates a little bit maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: too much, right to be a borderline, obnoxiously arrogant and
Speaker 2: overly confident in a way when you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Right, the video gets uploaded, everyone feels a different way
Speaker 1: about it. It goes. You know, it seems like the
Speaker 1: algorithm just like caught onto it, liked it. Your cousin
Speaker 1: wants it down. Is it taken down and it's too late?
Speaker 1: Is that what happened?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it was taken down. Gone, it was off
Speaker 2: of the site we originally posted it on, and then
Speaker 2: it was probably less it had to win less than
Speaker 2: twenty four hours later after the video was taken down,
Speaker 2: this person on Instagram I don't know, or on sorry,
Speaker 2: on YouTube, I don't know who this person is. He
Speaker 2: uploaded it on YouTube again. Immediately blew up. Immediately blew up.
Speaker 1: The algorithm loves men screaming, is what I've learned.
Speaker 2: What's that about. I don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: My wife hates it. She despises it. I'm obnoxiously loud
Speaker 2: all the time, and I don't know how to control it.
Speaker 2: It's like I have a broken low volume knob and
Speaker 2: it's always high. I don't know how to tone it down.
Speaker 1: What is the experience of these first couple of days.
Speaker 1: Do people find you quickly? How are you feeling about
Speaker 1: like this level of.
Speaker 2: I was never I was never private, I wasn't private.
Speaker 2: I never had Like I said, I didn't have Instagram
Speaker 2: at this time, right, I only had Facebook and I
Speaker 2: wasn't private on anything. So all it took was one
Speaker 2: person saying is this is who it is? And then
Speaker 2: they tagged me in it, and I think in the
Speaker 2: span of twenty four hours, I had eight hundred friend requests.
Speaker 2: As I woke up in the morning, I had to
Speaker 2: put my phone on silent going to bed because there
Speaker 2: was ding ding ding ding ding dingman over and over
Speaker 2: and over again. I wanted to mess I wanted to
Speaker 2: say something to be like, you're not you will not
Speaker 2: be entertained by what you're adding right now. You're not
Speaker 2: like you're adding me for whatever reason. But you're going
Speaker 2: to get a picture of my nephew at this point,
Speaker 2: because I live with my nephew. That's what you'll get.
Speaker 1: So I've talked to a lot of people who when
Speaker 1: after that first wave of attention, there's like sort of
Speaker 1: this moment where you have to decide, like do I
Speaker 1: want to do anything with this? Do I want to
Speaker 1: just let it pass. How did you sort of approach that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the main thing when you said,
Speaker 2: what would it even look like? Right? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I grew up idolizing comedians in my younger years. I've
Speaker 2: always been in that way, but I've never looked at
Speaker 2: myself as somebody that would be internet famous, like to
Speaker 2: do something on the internet. I don't know how that
Speaker 2: would work. I don't know how I would do it.
Speaker 2: I've had family members and friends be like, you're near
Speaker 2: I have to launch? What the fuck do you do it?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 2: Maybe it account and start back? I'm like, what for? What?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? What am I saying? Do I
Speaker 2: sit down now in front of in front of a
Speaker 2: camera and tell a story? I don't know. I never
Speaker 2: had the desire to do it, To be honest, I
Speaker 2: just I like I like my small life. I like
Speaker 2: my little life. I like my family life. I've never
Speaker 2: never wanted to branch out that way.
Speaker 1: But there's always going to be people that are like,
Speaker 1: you're crazy, like, how how could you you know you're
Speaker 1: leaving money?
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, the thought of the
Speaker 2: thought of the money makes me feel sick to my
Speaker 2: stomach that could be there. Right, But I was never
Speaker 2: even able to monetize the video, right, I wasn't able
Speaker 2: to make any money off the video because of the
Speaker 2: other guy in the video wouldn't sign off on any
Speaker 2: sort of monetization of the video. So to not have
Speaker 2: him in the video made it made it difficult, right,
Speaker 2: So obviously I will leave his name ahead of.
Speaker 1: This, so you don't need to answer this. But do
Speaker 1: you not talk anymore because of like the fallout of
Speaker 1: this video.
Speaker 2: No, there's there's a little bit more to it. But okay,
Speaker 2: family drama, everyone has it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is I really do think that this
Speaker 1: is like one of the only stories I've ever heard about,
Speaker 1: like day drinking changing your life for perhaps the better.
Speaker 1: The better this whole wave of attentions happening. You're not
Speaker 1: able to monetize it. You don't want to like pivot
Speaker 1: to become an influencer or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the whole the bubble itself, no pun intended
Speaker 2: around being an influencer to being like I need to
Speaker 2: come up with creations of doing so, and so I
Speaker 2: just I don't I don't get it. Well, we did,
Speaker 2: I did do a podcast. I did start a podcast
Speaker 2: with two of my things. Yeah, we did. We did
Speaker 2: a podcast for about a year and a half with
Speaker 2: two of my friends called The Grocery Stick, and we
Speaker 2: talked about we actually before I've done this now with you,
Speaker 2: we talked about the creation of the video and we
Speaker 2: it was more sports related and shooting the ship and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, just joking around. Everybody and their cousins
Speaker 2: started a podcast in the span of like between twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen and now, Everyone's like, let's do a pod gas.
Speaker 2: So we did that and then life gotten away and
Speaker 2: we just kind of stopped. But we had seven people
Speaker 2: listen to us at certain points.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's fun. Were you like marketing that is,
Speaker 1: like and I'm the guy from this video or you're.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah at the beginning, at the beginning, we were,
Speaker 2: but it just it never it never really took off,
Speaker 2: and I didn't really expect it to. It was a
Speaker 2: pastime really, honestly. We we just a reason to get together.
Speaker 2: We thought we were funny. You know, when you get
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys together that think they're funny, that's
Speaker 2: that's the meme on the internet now, right, A bunch
Speaker 2: of together and starting.
Speaker 1: In a room. Sure hurt it a millionaire.
Speaker 2: A millionaire and you're going to say something off the cusp.
Speaker 1: That's going to get because I've seen that you've you've
Speaker 1: done a couple of appearances. How did you sort of
Speaker 1: choose like what to engage with versus not?
Speaker 2: I love Daniel Tosh. Daniel Tosh was my my one
Speaker 2: of my comedic idols growing up, him and Dave Chapelle,
Speaker 2: and there are certain people that I absolutely loved. And
Speaker 2: then they that was they actually reached out to me.
Speaker 2: I think it was a month and a half after
Speaker 2: that video went viral. That was a no brainer for me.
Speaker 2: That was like, yeah, I would love to talk to
Speaker 2: you about the video, and that was that was my
Speaker 2: first endeavor in anything like that. I couldn't have been
Speaker 2: more nervous all the other stuff though, like with Ellen
Speaker 2: in Ridiculousness. They just reached out to me to ask
Speaker 2: to you the video And obviously I had the person
Speaker 2: who recorded the video signed it on to me, like
Speaker 2: they gave me the rights.
Speaker 1: So I just said, I said, yeah, how do you
Speaker 1: do that for like a video from someone's phone.
Speaker 2: They were just like yeah, they signed the rights over
Speaker 2: and it was my basically my video from their phone.
Speaker 1: If this all happened again, and I guess it kind
Speaker 1: of does? You're in like this kind of groundhog day loop? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Would you do it any differently? Would you want to
Speaker 1: do it any differently? The next time it happens? Will
Speaker 1: you want to do it differently?
Speaker 2: I kind of I to be honest with you as
Speaker 2: much as I say I don't, I don't want any
Speaker 2: when it pops up, the amount of engagement that I
Speaker 2: get from people around me, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Right, So rel just like people in your day to day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, day to day like I have. I have a
Speaker 2: very like massive large group of friends, different circles and everything.
Speaker 2: Like I'm actually on Sunday, there's a very good friend
Speaker 2: of mine who's a tattoo artist. Her name is Day
Speaker 2: and Day day read is her on Instagram, And we're
Speaker 2: going to do a I'm going to do a huge
Speaker 2: piece on my leg, wicked which of the east piece
Speaker 2: on my leg? No way, I'm going to get my
Speaker 2: whole leg done. I'm going to try and help her
Speaker 2: grow her brand as I sit here and I live
Speaker 2: in my small bungalow that I live in. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to help her, but there's nothing more that
Speaker 2: I would, I would do or want to do in
Speaker 2: that situation. I would, I have I have no desire
Speaker 2: to go viral. Ever.
Speaker 1: Again, my last question maybe an obvious question, and are
Speaker 1: you going to see Wicked?
Speaker 2: So I don't think you're gonna like my answer here,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so I will I. You
Speaker 2: won't catch me in the theater. It's not about learning,
Speaker 2: it's not about anything like that. You will not catch
Speaker 2: the came. It's more about to be honest. I don't
Speaker 2: want to get into it. But you won't catch me
Speaker 2: supporting anything to do with the Hollywood elites about that.
Speaker 2: I will not give them any of my money. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see movies. I don't have subscriptions. I have
Speaker 2: nothing like that. I have nothing. I will not. I
Speaker 2: will not step foot into a movie. I appreciate Ariana
Speaker 2: Grande Age and I appreciate Jimmy fal John's. I appreciate
Speaker 2: both of them. I like them. I like them both.
Speaker 2: They did a great job with the video. But I
Speaker 2: will not. I will not, and I might make you
Speaker 2: know what. I take that back. Maybe I will see
Speaker 2: the video or the movie. I might see the movie, okay,
Speaker 2: but I will not pay money to go down in
Speaker 2: the theater to see them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean I feel like they should probably
Speaker 1: just send you a screener. Anyways.
Speaker 2: I actually the funny thing is I got I got
Speaker 2: reached out to somebody that works for Universal months wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: before the movie came out. It was probably three months ago.
Speaker 2: They reached out to me and they sent me a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff and they asked me to come out
Speaker 2: to LA to do this, and I sent them a
Speaker 2: bunch of information and then I never heard back from them,
Speaker 2: So I said, what do we do now?
Speaker 1: They wouldn't see the movie either if they did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've reached out to me like, hey, we have
Speaker 2: promotional things that we want to do. Your video is
Speaker 2: super viral and we would love to have you do this.
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I would I would love to
Speaker 2: do a bunch of people. Sure. Yeah, And then they
Speaker 2: said they said nothing. They said nothing back to me.
Speaker 1: Are there like weird offers or things you've turned down
Speaker 1: over the years that your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought a couple of people reach out. I've
Speaker 2: had a couple. I had somebody that worked for Google,
Speaker 2: Texels and multiple other like streaming services that were like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll give you money to do this, and then that
Speaker 2: I had I had two bad experiences of people not
Speaker 2: either getting back to me or me doing something for them,
Speaker 2: and they didn't do anything for me, and I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not not doing that. Like I said, I have
Speaker 2: no desire to do this. This is fun. I enjoy this.
Speaker 2: You can get the background on the stener. This is fun.
Speaker 2: You're you're very sweet yourself, and this is a fun conversation.
Speaker 2: But I have no I have no desire to set
Speaker 2: up a uh uh an Instagram account and me being like, well,
Speaker 2: let me tell you what I think about this. Who
Speaker 2: gives a shit about my opinion?
Speaker 1: And again, I've just I wish more people thought that way.
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're you're You're an inspiration to society.
Speaker 2: From now on. Take a back seat. You're not important.
Speaker 2: You don't matter. I don't matter. Right If I make
Speaker 2: a video telling you how I feel about Wicked after
Speaker 2: I watched movie and you take that with any sort
Speaker 2: of conviction whatsoever, I think you have more of an
Speaker 2: issue than I do.
Speaker 1: You're cooked, You're good, Thank you so much. To Matt
Speaker 1: for his time and his gameness, and you are welcome
Speaker 1: for the exclusive You can follow Matt and I think
Speaker 1: this is a first nowhere. He does not want to
Speaker 1: be famous, but you can check out that tattoo he
Speaker 1: mentions from his tattoo artist day Bond, which is linked
Speaker 1: in the description of this episode. With that listeners, I
Speaker 1: ask you the following, what maketh the Princess? What maketh
Speaker 1: a witch? The answer is in the eye of the beholder, unless,
Speaker 1: of course, the character explicitly self identifies as a witch.
Speaker 1: Sixteenth minute as a production of fool Zone Media and
Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. It is written, posted, and produced by me
Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus.
Speaker 7: Our executive producers are Sophieli Driven and Robert Evans. Lenaising
Speaker 7: Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.
Speaker 1: Our theme song.
Speaker 7: Is by Sad thirteen. Voice acting is from Grant Crater
Speaker 7: and pet. Shout outs to our dog producer Anderson, my
Speaker 7: cat's flee and Casper and my pet Rockberd, who will
Speaker 7: outlive us all.
Speaker 1: Bye.