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Speaker 3: How were you set up for success with that from that?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so my spelling was really the biggest heardle.

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Speaker 1: I worked really hard at school. I didn't do particularly well,

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Speaker 1: something I wanted. I just was a young kid. I

439
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Speaker 1: loved dancing.

440
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,840
Speaker 2: My mum would take me to a dance class every Saturday.

441
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,879
Speaker 1: And I got spotted through that dance class to audition

442
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 1: for a show on the West End.

443
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 2: I ended up doing the show.

444
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,639
Speaker 1: I loved it, Billy Elliott, it was the top of

445
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,399
Speaker 1: my life, you know, it was such a cool experience.

446
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm just by complete fluke. An agent came to see

447
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,960
Speaker 1: the show the night that I was on. She signed me.

448
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,480
Speaker 1: She sent me to an audition for a film. I

449
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to get the part. All of a sudden,

450
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,600
Speaker 1: I was on set with You McGregor and Naomi Watts

451
00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: and we made the impossible. And to be perfectly honest

452
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 1: with you, it was it was just a hobby. It

453
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 1: was something that my mum would let me do on

454
00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,120
Speaker 1: the summer holidays. She was very keen that I kept

455
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,640
Speaker 1: my schooling up. And there sort of came that time

456
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,879
Speaker 1: in England where you were in between gccs and A

457
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,680
Speaker 1: levels and you're trying to figure out when I was

458
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 1: going through that you could still drop out.

459
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:18,720
Speaker 2: Her A levels.

460
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 1: Obviously now you have to do A levels. And I

461
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 1: had that moment where I was like, what do I

462
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,040
Speaker 1: want to do? I could try and stay at school

463
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,919
Speaker 1: and figure out what I want to do or this

464
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,280
Speaker 1: thing that's been a hobby for my sort of summer

465
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 1: holiday activity, which is acting. I could try and do

466
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 1: that for a living, and I've been so lucky that

467
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 1: i've been you know, offer jobs and all that sort

468
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: of stuff. I decided to go with it. I joined

469
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 1: the brit School because, you know, my mum was keen

470
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't go for school for an education, but

471
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Speaker 1: went to school to expand my social skills and meet

472
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: kids my own age. All my friends when I was

473
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: fifteen were like thirty year old people because they're all

474
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Speaker 1: adults from the business. So I think my mum was

475
00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: keen that I had some friends that are my ag

476
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 1: who are now my best friends today. So I never

477
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: really wanted this. I just sort of never stopped doing it.

478
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: And I love it.

479
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. I love the creativity.

480
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: I love the building blocks that are required to put

481
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: a film together. I love the collaboration on set between

482
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 1: people from all different walks of life. You know, a

483
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,159
Speaker 1: film set is a melting pot of all sorts of

484
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Speaker 1: different people.

485
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 2: So I love it. I absolutely love it.

486
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, And I read something that you said you

487
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 3: were bullied for like doing ballet, which obviously got you

488
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: into the playing the role of Billiyellick because it's ballet

489
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 3: and tap, right, sure, it's both. So was that tough

490
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 3: at the time or like, were you trying to hide

491
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 3: it and then you end up on you know, you

492
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: end up at the west end and you're on the

493
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 3: main stage and everyone's seeing it or was it kind

494
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Speaker 3: of easy to navigate and how did that go down?

495
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 3: Because I feel like as a kid, doing ballet and

496
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 3: tap must have been a little challenging.

497
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't easy, but it also wasn't tough.

498
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: You know.

499
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: I went to a rugby school, so you can imagine,

500
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: like the one kid in the school that does ballet,

501
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: there's going to be comments here and there.

502
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't the easiest thing in the world. There were

503
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: kids that.

504
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: Didn't understand why I was doing it or what I

505
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: was doing it for, no matter how many times I explained,

506
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: like I'm the only guy in a class of thirty

507
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: girls in tights. I was like, guys, this is what

508
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 1: you want to be doing, Like rugby is not it.

509
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: But I know it was tough, but again, like it

510
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were saying about resilience and

511
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: keeping your head down and crowded room was the hardest

512
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: job I've ever had for all sorts of different reasons.

513
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: And there was a point in time where we were

514
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: talking about do we shut this down and walk away

515
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: from it because of how challenging it was, And you know,

516
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: I dug my heels in, I put my head down

517
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: and was like, now I'm going to finish this.

518
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to see it through.

519
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, you learn from past experiences

520
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: like that, So I really am proud of the way

521
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: everyone handled the crowded room, and I think that stems

522
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: from my childhood, my dad's experiences and all that sort

523
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 1: of stuff.

524
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Jay Shetty and I'm thrilled to announce

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Speaker 3: my podcast tour. For the first time ever, you can

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Speaker 3: see my arm Burpose podcast live and in person. Join

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Speaker 3: or a CEO or business leader. We'll dive into experiences

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533
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Speaker 3: yours today. Well, so I've got a confession as well tonight.

534
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Go on. So I went to rugby school as.

535
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, okay, and I played.

536
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played for my A team and I was

537
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: I was pretty that was pretty good, okay because blindside flanker. Okay,

538
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: so I was. I was really into rugby because I

539
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: went to rugby school and I loved football. But my

540
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: school didn't play football, and so I was like, no,

541
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: I've got to be on the school's main team. So

542
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 3: I worked really hard to get on the team. But

543
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: after we played rugby on a Saturday, my mom forced

544
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 3: me to go to dance class and part of it

545
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: was ballet and taff as well. Although I did not

546
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: end up at the West End, and because I don't

547
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: think Billy Elliott was brown, so that wasn't going to happen.

548
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't the same path as you. But I also

549
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: had that experience. That's why I had to ask you about.

550
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it?

551
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it for the community aspect for it,

552
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: Like I love all the lads that I was there

553
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: with it, and they were just they were just a

554
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: great laugh and it was really interesting because we'd go

555
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: from I'd literally go from playing rugby straight to class

556
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: on a Saturday, and I'm going there with all my

557
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: bruises exhausted and all the rest of it. But everyone's

558
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: just so much fun. Sure, And it's almost like the

559
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: rugby pitch was more stressful because everyone was, like, you know,

560
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: trying to be intense and trying to be this and that,

561
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: whereas everyone just having a laugh at the dances. So

562
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: we do everything from hip hop to street to whatever.

563
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember never telling I think this is

564
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: the first time I've ever smoke about in a safe

565
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: space with you.

566
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because rugby is regimented, isn't it.

567
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love rugby.

568
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: You play a position that is as specific as saying

569
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: the blied side flanker. You know, when you're a dancer,

570
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: you're just a dancer. You can fit in however you

571
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: want to it in. The teacher can ask you how

572
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: are you feeling about that, rather than like you need

573
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: to get your head down to the left to make

574
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: a proper tackle. I did love playing rugby when I

575
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: was smaller. Yeah, well not when I was smaller, when

576
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: all the kids were smaller. And then there was that

577
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: time where I came back to school after Billy Elio

578
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: and everyone had just become a man, and I was

579
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: still very much a child. I remember we played this

580
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: school called Trinity College and it was my first game back,

581
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: and I was playing scrum half. I came on the

582
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: second half and it was a violent game. It was

583
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: not a gentleman's game of rugby. And I was standing

584
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: there were kicking to us, we receiving, and I remember thinking,

585
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: as long as the ball doesn't come to me, offer

586
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: the kick, I'll be fine. I need the game to

587
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: get going and then I'll be fine. I'm scrum half,

588
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: relatively safe position, a good playmaker. As soon as he

589
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: kicked the ball, it's coming straight towards me. I'm trying

590
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: to catch it. I can hear the boots running towards me.

591
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: I fumble it, knock on. The game goes on, I

592
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: start playing well. I assisted a try and then I

593
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: don't remember what happened or how it happened, but there

594
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: was a really tough kid on our team who will

595
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: remain nameless.

596
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: I haven't spoken to him since.

597
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing, but he got into

598
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: a fight with some kid on the opposing team, and

599
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: it was really quite ugly, and then the kid's dad

600
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: came on the pitch to tell off this boil that

601
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: was on my team, and the kid on my team

602
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: knocked out his dad no proper, like it's the first

603
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: time I've ever seen someone hit someone, and I couldn't

604
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: believe that a kid who was hold are you? He

605
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: must have been sixteen at the time. He's one of

606
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: those sixteen year olds that would look older than I

607
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: do now when he was sixteen, and I just remember

608
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: hearing the noise. He'd like, crack this dad on the

609
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: draw hit the floor. Then this whole big fight broke out.

610
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: I'm not a fight, so I stepped away and was

611
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of like, what's going on?

612
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild.

613
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: And that was the last game of rugby I ever played.

614
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: It was against Trinity College. Oh my god, it was

615
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: really intense.

616
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: Wow was intense. That's how intense he got. My last

617
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: game was similar, but not not watching a fight. So

618
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: someone ran I had. It was a big game and

619
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: it's I was playing really well that season and everything

620
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 3: was going really well and someone ran into a rock

621
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: but with their elbow, which is obviously illegal. Totally they

622
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: ran in and they elbowed me right there like right

623
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: blends it's on this side and right below there. And

624
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: the next thing I know, I get up and I'm

625
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: like kind of feeling a bit aggressive.

626
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: You cut as well well.

627
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: I didn't notice, and then blood starts to drip, and

628
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: I was like, that's when you freak out, because oh god,

629
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm like and there's a lot of blood just dripping.

630
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: So I get subbed off and the nurse on the

631
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: side just puts a bit of glue there, like just

632
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: stick it together, and at that time you don't really notice,

633
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: and you think you're all right, and then literally an

634
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: hour later, it's just getting thicker and thicker and thicker,

635
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: and I'm ending up with this run to the hospital

636
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: on the way home because my coach was just like,

637
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: suck it up, it's fine, fine, run there. They're like,

638
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: if you were any later, you would have had nerve

639
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: damage and like personally potentially lost your eyes out whatever

640
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 3: it was, and they had to like glue it and

641
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: a little bit of stitches or whatever it was. And

642
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: I for the for the rest of the month, I

643
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: walked around with my like, you know, I literally hanging

644
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: over and I looked like I got into like the

645
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: worst fight I walked into a store and everyone kind

646
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: of back off and stuff, and it was just really uncomfortable.

647
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: That was my last game of rug with us. I

648
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: just remembered that. But yeah, it was it was intense.

649
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 3: It was it was intense, but it was great, Like

650
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: you said, it was great regimented discipline training. I loved

651
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: training with my mates. I love playing. I loved as

652
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: a young man as well. Like having a outlet to

653
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: release the energy that I had was good in obviously

654
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: in a way that wasn't trying to hurt others.

655
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: That's what's so great about boxing. Yeah, It's like boxing

656
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: is such a great release. You know, you see these

657
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: young kids, like young kids who are angry. You need

658
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: to let something go, like go and punch your bag

659
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: for an hour. That will make it, that will carm

660
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: you down. I love how boxing is such a great

661
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: thing for young for young people to release that sort

662
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: of endery you boxing, do you But.

663
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: I love boxing.

664
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: I spent a few years since I've done any sort

665
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: of training. I used to go to this great gym

666
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: in New York called Church Street Boxing.

667
00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Just love it.

668
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: There had a great pro You could sort of spar

669
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: with him because you know, that he wouldn't batter you

670
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: because he could control himself. I went to a one

671
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: sparring session, just a general session, and I got.

672
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, it was tough, but I love it. I

673
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: love the sport.

674
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit sad as to like how the

675
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: sport is being run right now, but I do love

676
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: the sport and I admire the athletes.

677
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: I think they're amazing.

678
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: What's your take on YouTubers boxing and all that kind

679
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: of stuff, And because it's obviously bringing a lot of

680
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: attention to.

681
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: The sportest with you. I don't really mind it. I

682
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: think it's quite fun. I think if you're doing it

683
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: for the right reasons, you know, there's a great opportunity

684
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: to raise some money for amazing charities, and I think

685
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: a few of them have done a lot for charity.

686
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: I think it's really great. I think, yeah, you know,

687
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: my brother Paddy would never have been watching boxing, and

688
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: now he loves his favorite YouTubers are boxing. So if

689
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: it's good for the sport, it's good for the sport.

690
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 1: I sort of don't really mind. I think it's funny,

691
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: to be honest. Yeah, because you sit at home watching it,

692
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: I could do that can get in there and do that.

693
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: You're like, well, I don't you And you're like, well, yeah,

694
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't really want to do.

695
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: That, so we might see you in Creed Forward then yea,

696
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: yeah we do. We do the acting boxing.

697
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: I'd love to do a boxing movie.

698
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: I think it would be cool to do a boxing movie,

699
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: but where the fighting is real. I wouldn't necessarily be

700
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: in that right, but I do think that you could

701
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: make a really interesting film where the outcome of the

702
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: film is determined on the outcome of the real fight.

703
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Has anything like that ever been done, like racing or

704
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: any can you I'm just trying to not that I

705
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: know of, I know that's what I'm trying to think.

706
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: It could be really cool. Yeah wow, but yeah, I

707
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: love I love boxing movies. I'm a sucker for it.

708
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, which ones? Which one's your favorite?

709
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: I think Rocky two is probably my favorite.

710
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: I remember when we were in Billy Elliott, we had

711
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: this room called the Billy Room, and there was always

712
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: a Billy backstage while the show was going on. Because

713
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: the show was so labor intensive, it was very dangerous.

714
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: There's lots of moving parts, there's lots of acrobatics. It

715
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: wasn't too uncommon for a billy to get injured, and

716
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: then there would be someone upstairs who would replace that billy,

717
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: and we would just hang out upstairs, and there was

718
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: an Xbox and a television and all that sort of stuff.

719
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: And one of the DVDs that we had, the two

720
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: DVDs we had was Step Up to the Streets, my

721
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: favorite film of all time, and Rocky two.

722
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: And I must have seen that film forty times.

723
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: How many times did you practice the dance in the mirror.

724
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: I've got the whole dance down right, can we see it?

725
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I love that film. I absolutely love that film.

726
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd say I'd say my favorite. So Rocky was

727
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: my favor because I'd watched it with my dad and Rocky.

728
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: I struggled between Rocky three and Rocky four because I

729
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: love mister T and four three, that's three three. I

730
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: loved Ivan Drago as well, which was four and they

731
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: were both just such great movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

732
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: just yeah, it's such great entertainment, even though it's nothing

733
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: like real boxing.

734
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing, nothing real box.

735
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: But then I remember watching real boxing when I was

736
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: growing up. It was printing the scene. Yeah, yeah, my

737
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: dad was a big fan of his, so I remember

738
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: watching him a lot.

739
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: I love his style.

740
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: There's a video of him working with the I guess

741
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: it's just a swinging bag. And he is so effortless

742
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: because Canelo's got a great head movement, but he looks

743
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: like he's thinking about it, whereas Ziem is just living

744
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: the dream.

745
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Just he's so fluid.

746
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: And I love the way he used to move, and

747
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: I love how we would enter the ring. Me I

748
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: would overrotate and this slam on my face or something. Yeah,

749
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: he was brilliant wrestling meets boxing. He must have been

750
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: a nightmare to fight. It must have been like he's

751
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: beating me and he's embarrassing me. This is really tough, terrible.

752
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: What do you think of Lemachenko? Did you see his

753
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: last fight?

754
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: I haven't. No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

755
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.

756
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: Go and tell me I didn't see it at all. Well.

757
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I think the general consensus is that he won, but

758
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: it was given the other way. He is my favorite

759
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: boxer because of his history, his background in dance. He

760
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: was like, I guess, a really talented boxer, and then

761
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: I get I don't know if this is true, but

762
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: his dad sent him to go and study dance for

763
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: sort of five years or something like that.

764
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: For his boxing.

765
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: For his boxing, which is why his footwork is like

766
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: on another planet. There's loads of examples of where he's

767
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: fighting people and they look up and he's just gone.

768
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: He's behind them. So I really admire him. But his

769
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: most recent fight he lost.

770
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: How did it go against him? Was it vote?

771
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: It was a vote? Yeah, yeah, they went against him.

772
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: So I wonder whether they'll fight again.

773
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'll have to if there's it seems

774
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: like this isn't a conspiracy theory.

775
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: That's the problem with boxing though, like will they fight again?

776
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: You know, because it's a tricky it's a tricky business,

777
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: unlike the UFC, where you know, if they want to fight,

778
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: they'll fight. That's what I love about it. I took

779
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: my brother and my cousin to the UFC the other night,

780
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and that is such a savage sport.

781
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: It is.

782
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: That is Yeah, it's terrifying.

783
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: We don't want that to be a movie, and a

784
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: real one talk about so good. The Warrior is one

785
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: of the most underrated movies. That good.

786
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: It's a little ridiculous.

787
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: The idea that they have like six fights a night

788
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: getting ready for one final.

789
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: But I do love that film.

790
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a really brilliant it's a really good movie.

791
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, all right, so we know there's a

792
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: boxing movie become in somewhere. Yeah, it's got to be

793
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: one down the way.

794
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

795
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we want to see you work your way

796
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: up and I mean we might see you, like, you know,

797
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: actually go do it for real.

798
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: Sound yeah, imagine for charity.

799
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834
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: I'm giving up drinking. I just like many Brits, had

835
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: had a very very boozy December Christmas time. I was

836
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: on vacation. I was drinking a lot. And I've always

837
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: been able to drink a lot. I think I get

838
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: my genes from my mom's side in that thing that

839
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: I can I can drink, and I decided to just

840
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,920
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841
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: and all I could think about was having a drink.

842
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: It's all I could think about. I was waking up

843
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I was checking the clock, when's it twelve,

844
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: and it just really scared me. I just was like, Wow,

845
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I have a little bit of an alcohol thing.

846
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: So I sort of decided to punish myself and say

847
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: I'll do February as well. I'll do two months off.

848
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: If I can do two months off, then I can

849
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: prove to myself I don't have a problem. Two months

850
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: go by and I was still really struggling. I felt

851
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: like I couldn't be social. I felt like I couldn't

852
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: go to the pub and have a lime soda. I

853
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: couldn't go out for dinner. I was really really struggling,

854
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: and I started to really worry that maybe I had

855
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: an alcohol problem. So I decided that I would wait

856
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: until my birthday, which is June first. I said to myself,

857
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: if I can do six months without alcohol, then I

858
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: can prove to myself that I don't have a problem.

859
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: And by the time I had got to June first,

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00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: I was the happiest I had ever been in my life.

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00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: I could sleep better, I could handle problems better. Things

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00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: that would go wrong on set that would normally set

863
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: me off, I could take in my stride. I had

864
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: so much, such better mental clarity. I felt healthier, I

865
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: felt fitter, and I just sort of said to myself, like,

866
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: why am I enslaved to this drink? Why am I

867
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: so obsessed by the idea of having this drink? And

868
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: I would look back and recognize that I would go

869
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: to events for work and be like, I can't enjoy

870
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: myself until I've had a few beers, and I just.

871
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: Felt so much pressure.

872
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: And this is one of the things where I've sort

873
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: of distanced myself from the rugby community because so much

874
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: of it is about how much can you drink. Let's

875
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: get you as drunk as possible, and it's honestly been

876
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever done. I'm a year and

877
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: a half into it now, it doesn't even cross my mind.

878
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I've found amazing replacements that I think are fantastic, ones

879
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: that are also really healthy. I found this one beer

880
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: that it's full of electrolytes and it's you know, the

881
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: carbohydrates in it are long lasting energy. So like having

882
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: a beer is now actually like a really healthy thing.

883
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm really lucky that all my friends are super supportive

884
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: about it. I've never run into that scenario where my

885
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: friends are like, oh god on, just have a beer,

886
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: like you're fine. They've always sort of really supported me,

887
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be that person that's saying

888
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: to people you should get sober, you should get sober.

889
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: If I get encouraged someone to drink less, then that's great,

890
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: But I don't want to start getting into the world

891
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: of you need to stop drinking, because I just it's

892
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: not for me to say. I went on my own

893
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: little journey. I'm really enjoying it. I'm delighted that my

894
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: mum's as also given up. She's loving it and it's

895
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: been amazing. I can't believe the difference that I feel

896
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: from not drinking. Yeah, I feel amazing.

897
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 3: That's amazing, man. I love hearing that, and I love

898
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: hearing that it's been great for you, right, I think, yeah,

899
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: that's the point. Not everything has to be like, look

900
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: what I did, you can do it too. It's kind

901
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: of like, no, this is just what's been great for me.

902
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: Do you think it was partly that attitude for you,

903
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: at least in the beginning, where it's like, well, look

904
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: I can drink. I drink a lot, comes from my

905
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 3: mum jeans and it doesn't affect me, and then all

906
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: of a sudden you realize, well, wait a minute, it's

907
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: more than that, Because I think there is that, Like

908
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: I was like that as a young man as well.

909
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: Like for me it was it was easy to drink.

910
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: I didn't drink daily. For me, I drank a lot

911
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: more socially, sure, and I love playing drinking games with

912
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: my mates. Yeah, that was really what I enjoyed the most, probably,

913
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 3: and for me when I quit, I could just quickly

914
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: see how it just got me into doing things I

915
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: would never do if I wasn't drunk. So for sure,

916
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: for me it was more that. But yeah, I wonder

917
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: for you. Did you find that. It's there's a really

918
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: fine line between like, I know, I can drink a lot,

919
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you're kind of not

920
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: addicted beyond.

921
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: That, I'm happy to say a lot.

922
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: I was definitely addicted to alcohol, not suit away from

923
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: that at all. I think anyone that wakes up and

924
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: has not wakes up, anyone that has a beer every day,

925
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: it's probably got a little bit of a problem.

926
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right.

927
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: I would drink and drink and drink and drink, and

928
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: then you would just reach that moment where you're like, well,

929
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have had that last beer, and you wake

930
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: up the next day and you have a terrible headache

931
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: and you're suffering.

932
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: I bought one of those rings that will.

933
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: Tell you about your sleep, yeah, or a ring yeah,

934
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: and it was amazing because I couldn't sleep.

935
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: I was like, why can't I sleep?

936
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm working fourteen hours a day, I'm doing two hours

937
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: in the gym, I'm eating really healthily, and I can't sleep.

938
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? I bought this ring and it

939
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: was booze. It just it was completely affecting my sleep.

940
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: And since I've given it up. I can sleep anywhere,

941
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: you know. It's also interesting as well, going on nights

942
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: out and having a great time as the sober person

943
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: and then getting to that point in the night where

944
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: people start, you know, spitting in your ear and everyone's

945
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I love you, man, I love you so much, and

946
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, brilliant, I love you too. I see

947
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: tomorrow I'm going to bed. I love being that person now.

948
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I love seeing my friends on the golf course at

949
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: eight am in the morning feeling and ready to go

950
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: and they're sort of crawling out their car. So yeah,

951
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: so I'm over the moon to be sober.

952
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

953
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. For anyone who is listening right now and is

954
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: going Tom, I love that for you. I want to

955
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: do it too. Like they're listening, going, I'm having too

956
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: much every day. I can notice some of those things,

957
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: but I'm just stuck. And it's hard because we know

958
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: that addictions that way, we know that this is heavy.

959
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: It's not easy. But if someone is watching, going Tom,

960
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: tell me what did you do to even get started?

961
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: How did you have that courage to say I'm going

962
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: to do January. I'm going to stick at it. Were

963
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: there any moments where you actually fell back and then

964
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: I had to get back on the horse again, Like,

965
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: we'll just walk us through that a little bit more

966
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: for anyone who is watching, going, tom mate, I want

967
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: to be in your position in like six months.

968
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: I didn't fall back on it. I have done in

969
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 2: the past.

970
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I've had periods of my life where I'd given up

971
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: drinking and then gone back to drinking.

972
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 2: But this time, I don't know, it was just different.

973
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: I really worked to sort of change my mindset. I

974
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: really asked myself, like, why do you drink? Why are

975
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: you drinking? And a lot of the time my answer

976
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: would be to feel more comfortable in the social environment,

977
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: and I just put myself in those environments and just

978
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: would force myself to be there. I'd force myself to

979
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: hang out and go to a club, or go to

980
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: a bar, go to a dinner.

981
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: As we went avoiding those places.

982
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: I was at the beginning because I didn't feel like

983
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I could go and not have a drink because of

984
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: the stress of it. But then after a while I

985
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: sort of was like, mate, you've got to pull your

986
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: socks up here, and you can't just live in your

987
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: house all the time.

988
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: You've got to go out and enjoy yourself. And if

989
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: you're only.

990
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: Enjoying yourself because you're drinking, then you really do have

991
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: a problem. But I just changed my mindset. I found

992
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: really good replacements. Things that I could sort of attribute

993
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: to having a beer I often found with me. Most

994
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: of it is just the ritual of cracking something open

995
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: and sharing it with friends and drinking it. Whether it's

996
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: sparkling water or a beer. I now can't I don't

997
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: associate like I don't see a difference, but I think

998
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: it's different for everyone. I had a great support system.

999
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: Jack is one of my best mates and we travel

1000
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: all over the world. Doesn't drink, and doing it with

1001
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: him was a really helpful experience for me.

1002
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: My brother is always on the road with me. He

1003
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: was very supportive, and.

1004
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just really set my mind to it. I

1005
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: was like, I really want to do this. I want

1006
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: to prove to myself I can do it. And then

1007
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: once I'd felt the health benefits and started really feeling

1008
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: like my full self, it was like, oh my god,

1009
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: this is this is the best.

1010
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: But do you not drink?

1011
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: I haven't drank for seventeen years. No way, amazing, Yeah,

1012
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: it was it's incredible.

1013
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

1014
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: So one of the best feelings in the world, and

1015
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: it's my biggest like worry when I was about to quit,

1016
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: was like, how am I going to hang out with

1017
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: my mates? I was like, my mates knew me as

1018
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: the guy who was like first of the game, last

1019
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: to get out. That was me, you know, the clown

1020
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: when I got drunk, like life of the party, kind

1021
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: of like that kind of guy. And then all of

1022
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: a sudden, I decided I wasn't gonna drink anymore. I

1023
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: was like, crap, I'm going to fit in. And then

1024
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: I remember I went into the corporate world for a

1025
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: bit and I didn't drink, and I was like, God,

1026
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 3: am I going to miss out on opportunities and networking?

1027
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: Like you know, all the guys afterwards are like going

1028
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: to get drinks and I'm like, oh, but I'll have

1029
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: a water or I'll have a soda, whatever it is.

1030
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: And what was really interesting for me is not relying

1031
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 3: on drinking made me rely on qualities and skills I

1032
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: had sure that were actually better. So now that I

1033
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 3: couldn't drink as an excuse to hang with the lads,

1034
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: I was bringing out parts of my personality that I

1035
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: probably would have just hidden away. Yeah, surpressed, and all

1036
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: of a sudden you were actually getting respected and liked

1037
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: for who you were rather than the person who you

1038
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: were when you were drunk. Sure, and actually that worked

1039
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 3: in the workplace, and there was no one at the

1040
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: workplace going RJ doesn't drink, so he's not getting promoted.

1041
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: It wasn't like that. People were like, oh, yeah, hanging

1042
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: out with J, or he's a really good guy, or

1043
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. And I was still getting the

1044
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: same opportunities, and I was still getting promoted at work

1045
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: and whatever it was. And I think that's what I'd

1046
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: like to remind people that don't feel like your career

1047
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: or your work is going to suffer even for you

1048
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: like you've I'm sure as a you know, with your

1049
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: career path, you have to be at parties, you have

1050
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: to be at events co And the fact that you're

1051
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: able to do that now without having alcohol and you don't,

1052
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like it's negatively impacting your career. If anything,

1053
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: it is the opposite.

1054
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: Mate, I honestly cannot believe like the amount of times

1055
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I've sat down with an actor that I've really admired

1056
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: or sat down with the producer or director and being like, oh,

1057
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, well, I don't drink anymore, and they go, I.

1058
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: Don't drink ten years and you're like, oh my god.

1059
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: And I've had so many insightful conversations with people like

1060
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: yourself where you've heard their story, their reason for giving up,

1061
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: and there is a wonderful community of people and I

1062
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: love it. I love being a part of that community.

1063
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm really proud to be a part of it. I

1064
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: hope that, you know, I can meet other people and

1065
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: chat them about it, because it's really nice.

1066
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: It's lovely to be like, let's go to get a

1067
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: lime cioner together, you know, yeah.

1068
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: Let's get a juice, let's get a smooth Yeah. Yeah, No,

1069
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: it is true. It's true, and it's really interesting because

1070
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: they I can't remember. I'm trying to remember. There was

1071
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: this blog that came out years ago. I can't even

1072
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: remember it now, and there was this girl on Instagram

1073
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: who was getting a lot of likes and a lot

1074
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: of comments and a lot of attention, and one day

1075
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: she just disappeared, like she stopped posting, and everyone's just

1076
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 3: like all the comments were like, where are you? What happened?

1077
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: Are you okay, like what happened to you? You know,

1078
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: everyone was frantic trying to figure out what happened to

1079
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: her because they loved her, they were following her and

1080
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. And what they didn't know

1081
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: is that it was built by a team that was

1082
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: trying to show that. What people didn't notice is that

1083
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: in every picture she posted, she was drinking and it

1084
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: was a made up It was almost like original AI

1085
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: that was made up to prove the point that you

1086
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 3: can love someone and you can think you're really close

1087
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: to them, and you you could think their lifestyle looks amazing,

1088
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: but actually they've got a drink in every picture they post,

1089
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: and you didn't realize that an alcohol problem. So there

1090
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: was no real person who died. But the point was

1091
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: that this your friends could be struggling even when they're

1092
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: posting these beautiful lifestyle pictures. But are you aware, wow,

1093
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: and are you conscious of how much it affects you?

1094
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: And I can't can't remember who built that. Well.

1095
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the problems with alcohol, is

1096
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: that if you came out with alcohol right now, if

1097
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: alcohol wasn't a thing, and you like, I've invented this

1098
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: drink that is going to make you like, either really

1099
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: happy or really aggress If we're really stupid and we're

1100
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: going to just sell it to the masses, people be like, now, mate,

1101
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: keep your funky juice, Like we don't want that.

1102
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: That sounds terrible.

1103
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things because it is so

1104
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: socially acceptable that the addiction side of it, the bad

1105
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: sides of it, really do fly under the radar. And

1106
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. I'd say something I do love about

1107
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: being a non drinker. I love being the designated driver.

1108
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: I love being that person that makes sure that everyone

1109
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: gets home. I don't know, I just I like being

1110
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: a dependable person. I think I'm quite dependable, and I

1111
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: really like that that thing. And I saw this crazy

1112
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: YouTube video once, This was years ago, of a guy

1113
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: that went to a bar, he got drunk, and he

1114
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: drove home and he.

1115
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: Crashed his car.

1116
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is real. It could

1117
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: have been fake, but it's really impactful. Basically, what his

1118
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: friend had done was set up the room as if

1119
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: he had been in a coma for like ten years.

1120
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: And his friend wakes up hours after the crash and

1121
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: his friend is there and he had all like old

1122
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: makeup on to make him look older, and now I'm

1123
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: thinking about it, there's no way this could have been real,

1124
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: because how would they have been able to pull that off?

1125
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: But he basically is saying to him, like, you've been

1126
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: asleep for ten years. Everyone's missed you, Like we can't

1127
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: believe you're awake. This is amazing and it shows like

1128
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: how a stupid decision like driving drunk can affect the

1129
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: future of your life. So I do love being the

1130
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: designated driver. That is something I enjoy seeing my friends

1131
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: have a good time and being like, don't worry, Tom

1132
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: will take you.

1133
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to love being the designated driver until

1134
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: I realized that next girlfriend just had me do that

1135
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: because I was the one who didn't do that right,

1136
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 3: That wasn't a fun design driver. Yeah, but I've always

1137
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: been that guy since. Because so I lived as a

1138
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 3: monk for three years. Yeah, and when I came back

1139
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: after that, obviously I never went back to drinking alcohol

1140
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: and everything, and so but I went back into the workplace,

1141
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: and I remember everyone would always open up to me

1142
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: and give me advice. But it's what you're saying. When

1143
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: someone was drunk, they tell me their whole life story.

1144
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: Next day, they'd come and go, Jay, you'd actually remember

1145
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: what I said. I remember everything, like, please don't tell anyone. Yeah,

1146
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: you know. I loved that part where I was like

1147
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: I was able to be there for people to hear

1148
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: their stories and someone that had context the next day,

1149
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: because if they told someone else who was drunk, you'd

1150
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: both not remember then it'd be gone.

1151
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: No.

1152
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: I think the benefits that you've just pointed out of

1153
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: good sleep, good health, mental clarity huge. But there's a

1154
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: couple of things I want to point out for everyone

1155
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: who's listening, just as takeaways, because Tom makes it so

1156
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 3: seamless when you're talking about it's really beautiful as well.

1157
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: But one of the things you mentioned was finding alternatives.

1158
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: And during my month life, we always talked about how

1159
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: there was there was something that we called the higher taste,

1160
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: and it was saying you can never give up a

1161
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: lower taste unless you had a higher taste, sure, and

1162
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: so there has to be a switch, there has to

1163
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: be a replacement. And the fact that you found alternatives,

1164
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: I think that's half the battle, because most of us

1165
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: are trying to take something out of our lives and

1166
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: then you're just trying to fill it and then you

1167
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: have to go back to what you had before because

1168
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: you're not finding a replacement. So that was beautiful. And

1169
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: the second thing you said, which I loved, which was

1170
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: having this conversation and dialogue with other people, someone who's

1171
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: one year ahead of you, someone who's ten years ahead,

1172
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: someone's twenty year ahead, who's gone through that process, and

1173
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: they're open and honest and vulnerable about well, you know,

1174
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: I did have a week moment or you know what.

1175
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: This was really tough for me, and I think having

1176
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: those communities where you can talk about these things makes

1177
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: a massive difference. So if anyone struggling, I hope then

1178
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: those two things can kind of, you know, give you

1179
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 3: the support you need.

1180
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: And again it goes back to the message of the

1181
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: show is that like, you should ask for help, and

1182
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: you should feel in powered to do so, but tell

1183
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: me about.

1184
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: Your monk life. Like that must have been amazing.

1185
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: Respect, I've always been so tempted to go away and

1186
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: do one of those retreats where you know, you go

1187
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: to somewhere like India and you go to those places

1188
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: we don't speak for a month or something like that,

1189
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: Like that must have just been the most enlightening experience.

1190
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: Mate, Now that you've said that, when you want to go,

1191
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to take you.

1192
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: Please, I absolutely love to go.

1193
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: I met a guy I was on holiday earlier this year,

1194
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: and he had just got back from a retreat he

1195
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: did two weeks where he didn't make a sound and

1196
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: was just explaining to me how eye opening it was.

1197
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean to me, it was one

1198
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: of the best the experiences of my life because even

1199
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: the stuff that I did then, I was twenty two

1200
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: years old when I did it. Even the stuff that

1201
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: I did then, I don't even know if I'd be

1202
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: able to do it anymore now. But there was such

1203
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: a like energy you had as a twenty two year

1204
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: old just opened to any experience and wanting to try

1205
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: it all out amazing. And I think for me it

1206
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: was because and it comes back to the people that

1207
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: have done things. When I was eighteen was when I

1208
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: first met a monk. I never really knew what monks

1209
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: did or any of their practices, but I met a

1210
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: monk who I write about in my book, who just

1211
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: blew my mind because he was the first person I

1212
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: met that I felt was at ease with himself. And

1213
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: when I was eighteen. I'd met people who were like

1214
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: rich and famous and you know, beautiful and powerful and

1215
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: all this type of stuff, but I don't think i'd

1216
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: met anyone who was truly happy and content with themselves.

1217
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: Not happy like, oh I'm so happy, Life's amazing. I

1218
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 3: mean more like happy with who they who they were.

1219
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

1220
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: And for some reason at eighteen, that kind of like

1221
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: was an arrow straight to my heart where I was like,

1222
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 3: that's that's real, Like I want that, And it just

1223
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: it's so hard to explain because everyone's like, well, how

1224
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: did you know that eighteen? I was like, I don't know.

1225
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 3: It must have been how powerful he was. It's kind

1226
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 3: of like it's kind of like you wake up when

1227
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: when the sun's out and the lights out, and you

1228
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 3: just wake up because you feel that energy. And I

1229
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: felt it through him. And then I went to university

1230
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: and i'd talk to him and i'd meet him in

1231
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: the summers and Christmases. But I just decided, I was like,

1232
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: I want to do this because I'd met someone who

1233
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: I felt had emotional and mental mastery in a way

1234
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: that I'd never seen before. Wow. And so when I

1235
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: went out there and whether it was the meditation training,

1236
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: or whether it was the simplicity training of the lifestyle,

1237
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: or whether it was the teachings and the values that

1238
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: you had to live by. I just got so I

1239
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: got so much from it that I honestly believe that

1240
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 3: anything that I'm good at doing today is because of

1241
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 3: what I learned during that time. And so anything I'm

1242
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: good at today is because of that.

1243
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 2: Do you think that you found what he had?

1244
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? I believe so, And I would say that or

1245
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: hasn't Yeah, yeah, And I still see him every year,

1246
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: amazing and he still has it. Yeah, it's like swag,

1247
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 3: like it doesn't go. Yeah, he still has it. And yeah, definitely, definitely.

1248
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 3: I got a glimpse into it. Obviously he's been doing

1249
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: it for you know, nearly thirty years, and yeah, I

1250
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: only did it for three. But you still get to

1251
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: a glimpse of it and you get an experience of it,

1252
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 3: so you know that it exists. And I think that's

1253
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 3: half the battle too, Like even with your sobriety, it's

1254
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: like you just need to know it exists totally and

1255
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 3: then you're like, wow, there's this other side. And even

1256
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 3: though it's a challenge, and even though I'm still trying

1257
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: to be more mindful every day, and I'm still working

1258
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: on myself because it's I know, yeah, it's ending going yeah,

1259
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: I know, I know. And I take a lot of

1260
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: friends and people I know on retreats there because just

1261
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, I took someone that I

1262
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: love to one of the caves in Rishi kish. So

1263
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: one of the things I love about caves is that

1264
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: they're equally dark and silent. So it's almost like the

1265
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: first time, like we could be silent in this room

1266
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: and it would be silent, but the silence of a cave.

1267
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Is just a different level.

1268
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so when you go then you can't see

1269
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: anything either, so you can't even see yourself.

1270
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: So you're so deep into the cave that there's no

1271
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: light from the mouth of the caves.

1272
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: There's no light from the mouth of the cave, no

1273
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: your hold hands. But it's just it's one of those

1274
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 3: experiences that you actually get to experience real stillness and

1275
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: real silence and real disconnection sure from everything around you,

1276
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 3: and then you can actually listen to yourself.

1277
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: That it's interesting.

1278
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: I would love to do something like that, something that

1279
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: I find myself doing a lot is if I see

1280
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: a beautiful landscape or something, I will try and see

1281
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: if I can find an angle of it where there's

1282
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: nothing man made in the view, because you know what

1283
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: it's like, like you see a beautiful heel or something

1284
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: and there's a telephone pole in the middle of it

1285
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: or a lamp post or something. So doing something like

1286
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: that where there is nothing but just mother nature and

1287
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: the silence and being with yourself. I'm obsessed with nature.

1288
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: It's one of my biggest passions. I'm absolutely like this

1289
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: new Our Planet show has just come out. One sitting,

1290
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: I've done the whole thing. So I would love to

1291
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: do something like that. So the next time you go in.

1292
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, figure it out. No, Where's Where's the place I

1293
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 3: love nature too. I just took me and my wife

1294
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: just went to Bali, Yeah, and it was unbelievable. We

1295
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 3: went whitewater rafting and it almost felt like Jurassic Park.

1296
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: I was just waiting for a dinosaur head and it

1297
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: was just beautiful. It's so lash, it was so natural,

1298
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 3: that waterfalls everywhere. And another place that I've loved nature wise,

1299
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: India of course we mentioned, but Iceland. I would love

1300
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: to go to Iceland A few years ago, and my

1301
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: friend was filming a documentary out there, and so I

1302
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: got to experience it with the documentary travelers, and we

1303
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: went to a real glacier and we went to amazing

1304
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: you know, and it was incredible to just it was

1305
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: the first time I felt like I'd landed on another planet. Yeah, yeah,

1306
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: it was just I literally I was like, this looks

1307
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: like nothing I've ever seen before in my life. Like

1308
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm on another Like I I could have I could

1309
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: have gone into outer space and landed.

1310
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: There's a reason why every single space film Iceland is

1311
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: the first on the list for locations. And I don't

1312
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: know that everyone think Interstellar probably, I'm sure all of

1313
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: those films, you know, because you could do you could

1314
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: do Mars, you could do Venus all in you know,

1315
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: in Iceland.

1316
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: I would love to go. I don't know. We were thinking.

1317
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: About doing some climbing, and I'm not sure about how

1318
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: I feel about glaciers and walking across them and just

1319
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: falling and never being found.

1320
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we walked across them, and obviously there were

1321
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: teams there, and then they had an expert and they

1322
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 3: went down into the glacier like they went into one

1323
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: like and it was, and it was really scary because

1324
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: while we were walking on the glacier, we've got that

1325
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 3: I forgot the those little boots are called the ones

1326
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: with the kind of like.

1327
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 2: The little prongs.

1328
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I forgot what they called. But anyway, we

1329
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: had those on and crapons crampons, Jack, and so we're

1330
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: wearing these cramp and literally it was like three steps

1331
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: further and you're you would have fallen and you don't see.

1332
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: It, and you would never be found.

1333
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 3: You would never be found and you never know, and

1334
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 3: it would be like that movie, was it, one hundred

1335
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: and twenty six hours? Yeah, the guy had to saw

1336
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 3: off his own arms one.

1337
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: Hundred and twenty six hours, mate in ten minutes. Yeah, no,

1338
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: that that's a bit too far for me.

1339
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: Well, if you went with a group of you know,

1340
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: experts and all the rest of it.

1341
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've seen the documentary.

1342
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes the experts go out and it's it's a one

1343
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: way story. They don't ever come back, you know.

1344
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you got You've got to be careful.

1345
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. I'll show you some videos later there.

1346
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 3: Because it was pretty love to Yeah, it was pretty spectacular.

1347
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: It was really amazing. No, I love I loved that

1348
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 3: with your journey with Sobrite. And and again, the other

1349
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: thing we were talking about this earlier, going back to it,

1350
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: was you decided to take a break from acting. Yeah,

1351
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 3: because you were doing this role it was really tough

1352
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: and challenging, and you're like, you need some time. And

1353
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: again you were saying that that was misconstrued, and just

1354
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: before we dive into why you needed to take a

1355
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: break and what was challenged about it, I just wanted

1356
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: to just if you wanted to give context to that,

1357
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: and you don't have to, but if you want it

1358
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: ures to clarify what you meant and what was going

1359
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: on there.

1360
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: It's only a break from acting because I'm an actor.

1361
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: It's not like the acting itself. I just have been

1362
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: so lucky that in my life I've been working so much.

1363
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted to take a break. I just wanted

1364
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: to be in one place for a while. I wanted

1365
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: to be with my friends, be with my family, move

1366
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: into my house. So it wasn't necessarily oh my god,

1367
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: I need to have a break from acting because it's

1368
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: too much. I just needed to have a break from

1369
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: traveling and working. And also I've done so much of

1370
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: my growing up on the road. I needed to do

1371
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: a lot of growing up at home, paying my water bill,

1372
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: pay in my council tax, and sorting out my bins

1373
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff that they don't teach

1374
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: you at school, which I think there should be a lesson.

1375
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I think there should be a lesson at school that's

1376
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: called life, which is like laundry, basic cooking. Like I

1377
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: didn't realize you have to pay for your water. I

1378
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: just thought that was a luxury of living in England.

1379
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: What comes out the sky and then it comes out

1380
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: your tap.

1381
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: I was so behind on my water bill. I didn't realize.

1382
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm up to date now, don't worry. So yeah, I

1383
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to take this break. And it's a shame

1384
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: again talking about the press and how they can spin things.

1385
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: It's a shame that this year off has come after

1386
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: this incredibly hard job, and that they kind of ran

1387
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: with this idea that yes the show did break me,

1388
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: and yes it was difficult, but I could have gone

1389
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: back to work. I was always planning on taking this

1390
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: break after this job. So thank you for giving me

1391
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: the time to sort of clarify that I am loving

1392
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: having time off and going back to work is something

1393
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: that isn't.

1394
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: Really on my radar yet.

1395
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm just loving being with my family and my friends

1396
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: and enjoying, you know, the fruits of my labor a

1397
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: little bit.

1398
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: And traveling and seeing.

1399
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: The world because you know, we get to see the

1400
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: world for work, but it's different. Yeah, you know, going

1401
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: off of your own accord and seeing these places and

1402
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: meeting people is what I love. I'm very social, which

1403
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: is one of the things I found so difficult about

1404
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: giving up alcohol is because I was like, that's my

1405
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: key to my social life, and then I really I

1406
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: was like, no, you're just actually naturally a really social person.

1407
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: The alcohol is just an additive to that, so we

1408
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: get rid of it. So yeah, so my year off

1409
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: has been amazing. I'm loving it. I'm six months, seven

1410
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: months into it now. I have a job to go to.

1411
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: But you know, obviously we're going through this writer's strike

1412
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: right now. We're unsure as to where we are. I'm

1413
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: hoping that, you know, the writers can make a deal

1414
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: and we'll be looked after as they.

1415
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: Should be, because it'd be great to get back to work.

1416
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: But I'm in no rush. I'm really loving some time

1417
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: at home. Yeah, because how old are you now, twenty seven?

1418
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if you've been working since you're nine

1419
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: or at least later on into your teens, I think, Yeah,

1420
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: I think people forget that. And I coach personally a

1421
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: lot of musicians and who go on tour a lot. Sure.

1422
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: And I just finished a forty city world tour for

1423
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 3: my second book, and we did like forty cities maybe

1424
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: in like seventy five eighty days maybe, Like it was intense,

1425
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 3: and we went all over the world.

1426
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 2: So we did like fifty done anything like that.

1427
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, did fifteen cities in the US and then twenty

1428
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 3: five cities around the world. And so we did everyone

1429
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: from in Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Melbourne, we did three shows

1430
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 3: at the Sydney Opera House, Brisbane, did Singapore, did five

1431
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: shows in India, did Dubai and it was amazing. I

1432
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: had one of the best experiences of my life. At

1433
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: the same time, I was reflecting on my music clients

1434
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 3: who have to do one hundred hundred and fifty shows.

1435
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: A lot of them pull out of doing their tours.

1436
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 3: A lot of them announce kind of like you're saying,

1437
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: I took a break. Sure, a lot of them will

1438
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: announce and say, you know what, guys, I can't I

1439
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: can't finish, I can't do it anymore. And it's really

1440
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: interesting because I messaged some of them straight away saying

1441
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 3: I always could understand why you needed that. Sure, now

1442
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: I actually have actual empathy for you because now I'm

1443
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: on the road and I can see how displacing it is. Sure,

1444
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: and I'm older and I have a certain set of

1445
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: skills that helped me with that, based on my monk

1446
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: life and all the rest of it. But I can

1447
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: imagine if you've been touring since you were fifteen years old,

1448
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: which is what a lot of these artists have done,

1449
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: Like you just said, you grow up on the road, sure,

1450
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you're like, well, who

1451
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 3: am I? Who are my friends? And what is my life?

1452
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 3: And now everyone that I pay is my friend and

1453
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: that's the only friends I have, and you know, and

1454
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: so it's really interesting how when you get a little

1455
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: glimpse into someone's life. And then on the last show

1456
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 3: I had was in Barcelona and then yeah it was amazing.

1457
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: And the night before my last show, Live Nation, who

1458
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: was doing my show there. They also do a cold

1459
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: place tour and they were like, do you want to

1460
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: come to cold watch Copla? I'd love to watch Coplash.

1461
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 3: So when the night before to watch Coplex Unbelievable. They

1462
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: did four sold out shows of sixty five thousand people

1463
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: each night in Barcelona and Chris. I went towards the

1464
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: fourth night and Chris Martin and the crew were just unbelievable.

1465
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 3: And then I found out as the eighty ninth show

1466
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: and I was thinking, gosh, like it is so hard,

1467
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: Like it's just so hard, and all their families are

1468
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 3: with them and traveling with them and all the rest

1469
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 3: of it. And so I want to touch on that

1470
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 3: with you as well, that walk us through, because I've

1471
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: talked about this with actors offline, and I don't think

1472
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: I've fully done it online, And so if you're willing

1473
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 3: to go there, I'd really appreciate it. When you're playing

1474
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 3: a role, I think as a viewer we massively underestimate

1475
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: how hard acting is, especially when the role is the

1476
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: kind of role that you're playing in the crowded room. Yeah.

1477
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: I think we just underestimate as a viewer. And I'm

1478
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 3: fortunate enough to know enough actors offline where I've had

1479
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 3: these conversations before, whether whether it's people who do method

1480
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 3: acting or whether it's people who you know, really try

1481
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: and get into character, Like you always hear about the

1482
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: stories of like how Jared Letto already was becoming the

1483
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: Joker was sending people rats and human feces in their

1484
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: male Like literally, like, what if.

1485
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: You send me human feces in my mail? There'd be trouble.

1486
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be putting up with that.

1487
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: You and Jared Letter in a boxing man.

1488
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, boxing movie then.

1489
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: But but you know the idea of like I think,

1490
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 3: I think as viewers, we don't. It's what I'm saying

1491
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: is like when I went on tour, I was like,

1492
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it. Now, as viewers, we

1493
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: don't get it because we don't really hear about the

1494
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: deep process that actors go through of getting into a

1495
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: role playing someone with multiple personalities, Like you know that

1496
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is that is that tough? For? Is

1497
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: Is that not? Am I getting it wrong? And that's

1498
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: not actually the tough part.

1499
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: You're definitely not getting it wrong. I think it's just different.

1500
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: It's case by case. You know, there are people like

1501
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: Jared who dive into their roles and they do things

1502
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: like sending people dead rats and stuff like that, and

1503
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: they think that that's what they need to do. I've

1504
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: always been really good at separating my onset emotions from

1505
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: my personal life emotions. As a young kid, I used

1506
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: to really heavily rely on my personal emotions to get

1507
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: them to come across on screen, and I just found

1508
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: it really unhealthy. I just found that the line between

1509
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: my life and my character's life would be blurred, and ultimately,

1510
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the experience of making the film,

1511
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: I would be a very different person, but not because

1512
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: of my experiences as Tom. It would be because of

1513
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: my experiences as my character. So I decided very early

1514
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: on to find certain techniques in certain ways to get

1515
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: into those emotions from a sort of technical point of view.

1516
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: I never sit on set and think about my mum

1517
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: getting sick, or or speaking to my brothers again, or

1518
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: something like that. I never blur the lines with my

1519
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: personal life and my work life. I always leave work

1520
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: at work. There are jobs like the crowded room that

1521
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: are particularly taxing. Getting to those emotions on a daily

1522
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: basis is really difficult and really tiring, but you know,

1523
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: it's probably somewhat like Coldplay on the eighty ninth show,

1524
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: you just dig your heels in. You realize you've got

1525
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: a job to do. We're all wonderfully well paid. There

1526
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: are people that work far harder for far less. I

1527
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: recognize how lucky I am, so I'm like, if I

1528
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: need to cry today and tomorrow and the next fifty

1529
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: days in a row, I'll do so. Yes, it's difficult,

1530
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: but I think your question, I'm probably the worst person

1531
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: to ask that, because I think I have like a

1532
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: really healthy outlook on how I achieved my emotions on set.

1533
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: But I have worked with people that shut their bedroom

1534
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: door and just dive into the character and are pouring

1535
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: through the script every night and are in character all

1536
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: the time, and I admire them. I don't necessarily think

1537
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: it's the healthier way to go about it, But yeah,

1538
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: I've always been really strict on myself to leave my

1539
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: work at work. Obviously, I come home and read the

1540
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: script and do all of my prep work, but I'm

1541
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: not I'm leaving the character at work because it's too

1542
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: it's too much, especially when you're playing a character like

1543
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: Danny from the crowded room, like you can't bring that

1544
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: into your personal life.

1545
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: It's tough.

1546
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that. But I'm actually glad I

1547
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: asked it to you the way, because what I'm actually

1548
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 3: hearing is you did it early on and you saw

1549
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: it wasn't healthy, sure, and so you actually found another way. Yeah,

1550
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 3: And it's really interesting because a lot of people may

1551
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: not have found another way, or that is their way

1552
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 3: and that is their method, and so it actually is

1553
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: interesting hearing it from your perspective because you're actually saying, yeah,

1554
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 3: I could have gone down that road, so I could

1555
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: see the dangers with it, right, And obviously depends on

1556
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 3: the roles too. Sorry you're going to.

1557
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: Say no, it's just it's my acting coach. Ben Perkins

1558
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: was my acting coach on my first film, and that

1559
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: film's really really emotionally intense, and we started off by

1560
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: doing things like can you imagine you know your mum passing?

1561
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 1: Or can you imagine things like that, and I would

1562
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: cry instantly, and he was the one that actually recognized

1563
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: at a point, this is too much for this young

1564
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: kid to kind of take. So he devised these exercises

1565
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: where him and I could kind of have these fake

1566
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: arguments where I was as a twelve year old, Oh,

1567
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: maybe I was older than that thirteen year old could

1568
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: recognize that they were exercises, and I would allow the

1569
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: emotion to kind of come from these kind of acting techniques,

1570
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: let's call it. So it's actually Ben that was the

1571
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: one that switched my mindset.

1572
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: I can't take credit for that. Yeah, so you live

1573
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 2: in LA.

1574
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I moved to LA five years ago and

1575
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: I moved to the state seven years ago. So I

1576
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: was in New York for the first two.

1577
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: Whereabout to New York.

1578
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 3: I was on twenty third Street near Flat Eye in Okay, nice. So, yeah,

1579
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 3: it was good in Manhattan, and moved with my wife

1580
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: Wemain married for seven years for ten fantastic And yeah,

1581
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: it's just been really interesting mate. It's like, did you

1582
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: ever end up moving, did you ever live in LA

1583
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: or a tall or in the US at all? Or

1584
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: have you always been in London.

1585
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: Sort of what we were talking about earlier. I've kind

1586
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: of lived all over the place.

1587
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: I've lived in LA, I've lived in New York, I've

1588
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: lived in Atlanta, you know, I've lived in Cleveland, which

1589
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: was amazing. So I really liked spending time in the States. Yeah,

1590
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: which is obviously crowded room. We did a year in

1591
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: New York. We moved to dry Beeker. We started off

1592
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: in Midtown, and Midtown for me was a bit of

1593
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: a nightmare. It's all the schools are so I come

1594
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: home from work and I come outside and it's like

1595
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: all the biggest Spider Man fans you've ever seen you.

1596
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the worst.

1597
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: We moved out to Tribeca to this amazing apartment, which

1598
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: was really lovely.

1599
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: We're very lucky to be down there. But where, so

1600
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: how do you find LA? I?

1601
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: So, you know what it's really interesting is when I

1602
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: moved to New York first, Yeah, and I loved it.

1603
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 3: I found New York to be just a bigger, crazier London,

1604
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: a bit more intense. Yeah yeah, yeah, And I love London.

1605
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm a London boy through and through. I went to

1606
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: university here, and my family's still here, my wife's family

1607
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 3: is here. Everyone's amazing and so but I enjoyed New York.

1608
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 3: My wife didn't love New York. And also at the

1609
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: same time, I started spending more time in LA for work,

1610
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 3: and my wife and I just like fell more in

1611
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: love with each other when we were there, And so

1612
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 3: that's what it was that drew us there. It wasn't

1613
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: really everyone's as like, ah, I was it career, and

1614
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: I was like, to be honest, we went there for

1615
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: a month for work, and we rented an apartment because

1616
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 3: we're going to be there for a month and we're

1617
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 3: living together there, and we just loved living with each

1618
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 3: other there. Home is heart, yeah exactly, and so we were like,

1619
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 3: all right, we love it here, why don't we pack

1620
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 3: our bags and move across And so we went back

1621
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 3: in New York. Two months later we moved over to

1622
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: La So it wasn't even you know, and now we've

1623
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: been there for five years. And the truth is that

1624
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 3: I was really intentional when I moved somewhere. So while

1625
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 3: I'm building my purpose and my work and my career,

1626
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: which I absolutely love what I get to do every

1627
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 3: day and I could never have dreamed of doing what

1628
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: I do to them, super grateful, but at the same time,

1629
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 3: I was really intentional about building community and family and

1630
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 3: it was like an actual like thought process sure where

1631
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 3: I was like, as well, as you're always building the

1632
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 3: people you know at work, you always building relationships, you're

1633
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: hiring employees and team members and everything. At the same time,

1634
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 3: I've got to think about actually making friendships. Because in London,

1635
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: I've got all my mates. So I've got my best

1636
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 3: man at my wedding, I've been mates with Rods for

1637
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: like seventeen years, like I've got people around me. But

1638
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: in la I don't have that. I don't have any family,

1639
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: any friends, I don't know anyone, and so I've really

1640
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 3: made an effort. And now after five years, I can

1641
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 3: honestly say, you know, obviously not in a wonderful way,

1642
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 3: but the pandemic did help deepen some of those friendships

1643
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 3: because I was stuck with those people, so I only

1644
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 3: could go deeper, made some really good friends nice and

1645
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: so I feel happy there and I feel really connected

1646
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: to my purpose there. And at the same time, I

1647
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 3: love coming back to London right and hanging out with

1648
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: my mates. And so I've and me and my wife

1649
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 3: made a decision when we moved that we would never

1650
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 3: say we lived anywhere. We would just be allowed to

1651
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 3: go wherever we wanted to go. So whenever my wife

1652
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: missus London, she's back on a flight to London. She'll

1653
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: come live here for two months and come back whenever

1654
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 3: she wants. Amazing, and it's the same for me, and

1655
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 3: that kind of like not having a rule around. You know,

1656
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: obviously we're lucky to have that choice.

1657
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: That's an amazing luxury to have.

1658
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

1659
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And but yeah, I share the same kind of

1660
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: outlook on it. You know, I couldn't really say I

1661
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: live anywhere. I sort of live where the work is,

1662
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: and when I'm not working, I'm either here or in

1663
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: la And I'm so lucky to be able to sort

1664
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: of call the world my home.

1665
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: I just go wherever the wind takes me, I guess exactly.

1666
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 2: But that's glorious.

1667
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, it's been good. It's been good for me.

1668
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 3: It's been good to me. And I think because of

1669
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: the work I do, it very clearly lets people know

1670
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 3: whether I'd connect to them or not. I feel like

1671
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 3: my work is so obviously one way sure that it's

1672
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 3: very easy because not everyone wants this in their lives,

1673
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: So it's kind of easy for people to be like, no,

1674
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to make any efford, going to make

1675
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: lots of effrowidge in So it kind of makes it

1676
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 3: very easy because my work is me.

1677
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: Do you find because of what you do and your

1678
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: skill set and your experiences and your life is a

1679
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: monk that people unload on you a lot. Yes, Like

1680
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: you might meet a new person and they're sort of saying, well,

1681
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm feeling this way and I would love to try

1682
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: and get to a place of enlightenment.

1683
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: Like that must happen to you.

1684
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: A lot, Yes, yeah, a lot. It can happen at

1685
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 3: the train station, having on a plane, it can happen

1686
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 3: anywhere in the world.

1687
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And do you welcome those conversations? Do you like

1688
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: having those sorts of conversations?

1689
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 3: So I think it depends where we are, sure, and

1690
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: it depends who it is. And I always say to

1691
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: people as a disclaimer that I don't want to give

1692
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 3: you the belief that I can solve your life in

1693
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: thirty seconds, yeah right, or that I could ever solve

1694
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 3: your life for you, just to be really clear. And

1695
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: I always say that to people because people are like, Jay,

1696
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 3: tell me what I need to do, and I'll be like, look,

1697
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be fully aware that I'm happy

1698
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: to share some insights with you, but I don't have

1699
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: the power or gift or magical ability right to transform

1700
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 3: your life. And nothing I can say in thirty seconds.

1701
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 3: I don't even want to take that responsibility on, because

1702
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 3: we should really think about this, like you should reflect

1703
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: on your life, like especially when people are making big

1704
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 3: decisions where it's like Jay, should I break up? Should

1705
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: I move kind we should do this? And I'm like,

1706
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 3: we're not solving this in thirty seconds.

1707
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: This is a bigger conversation.

1708
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I like people that takes the pressure off me,

1709
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: but it also takes the pressure off them. Yeah, because

1710
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 3: a lot it's not even about me. This is about

1711
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 3: the fact that that person needs to make a really

1712
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: important decision and they're putting all the pressure of their

1713
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 3: life on that moment. And actually I'm saying, well, let's

1714
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 3: just take it off and here's a few things I

1715
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 3: want you to reflect and think about. And I know

1716
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 3: that will help you and you'll figure it out. And

1717
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 3: so yeah, I welcome them because I appreciate that. I

1718
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 3: don't feel that I'm the one holding space and I

1719
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 3: don't believe that I'm the one who has the power

1720
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 3: to hold space. I believe that the universe holds space.

1721
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: I believe that energetically that space is held for others,

1722
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: and I don't feel I'm this powerful human beings who's

1723
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: the one that everything rests on sure and has the

1724
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: answer to everything, and I think that's what allows me

1725
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 3: to be liberated from it.

1726
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not.

1727
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: Like. I also don't put the pressure on myself, going, God,

1728
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 3: I better say the most perfect thing.

1729
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 2: To this person's life.

1730
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can't and I don't. And I think

1731
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: once upon a time I probably did feel that way,

1732
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: Like when you're when you're immature and you're an amateur

1733
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 3: in your work, you almost feel like you have to

1734
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 3: have all the answers. And I'm like, you know what,

1735
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: I don't and it's fine, and actually people really appreciate

1736
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: it when you just chat to them and you know,

1737
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: and so yeah, and again you know, I'm always happy

1738
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 3: to listen to someone when I can. Obviously, there's sometimes

1739
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: when I'm like rushing late for a plane or yeah, yeah,

1740
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 3: and I can't. I can't do it, sure, but I

1741
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 3: always stop and say hello, give someone a hug, and yeah.

1742
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 3: So I don't have to answers the question, but.

1743
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: No, absolutely it does.

1744
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1745
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: I guess what's interesting what you're saying about making decisions.

1746
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: Something that I am constantly battling with myself is the

1747
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: inner battle between my gut and my brain.

1748
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: And that sounds really weird.

1749
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: No, like it's real.

1750
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 2: I go with my gut a lot.

1751
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm very very I think a lot of the decisions

1752
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: I make in life are very sort of instinctual. I

1753
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: don't like to be bombarded with evidence and facts and

1754
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. I just like to feel

1755
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: a certain way about how I would like something to

1756
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: sort of transpire. Can be taking a film, accepting a gript,

1757
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: doing a business deal, buying a house, like, it's all

1758
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: sorts of different things through your monk life. Did you

1759
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: feel like you would rely on your kind of inner

1760
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: instincts rather than like getting the evidence of this is

1761
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: going to make you this much money?

1762
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 2: Or if you do that, these are the risks. How

1763
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: do you? Where do you stand with that sort of thing?

1764
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: That's the most poorly worded question.

1765
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 3: No, no, no, mate, mate, I think both. I think

1766
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: this has been such a conversation that that is what

1767
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: a question sounds like in a conversation, right, And I

1768
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 3: think I've asked you fairly poorly worded questions today as well.

1769
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: But I think that's what real communicata. Yeah, rather than like, mate,

1770
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: I've got a question word like right? But no, I

1771
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: think I get what you're saying, and if I go

1772
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 3: on the wrong track, let me know. But living as

1773
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: a monk, you're trained to understand that everything exists in

1774
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 3: a certain mode. And so I'll explain what that means.

1775
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: And so in the monk philosophy, there are three modes,

1776
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 3: and the modes are the mode of ignorance, the mode

1777
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: of passion, and the mode of goodness. And it's said

1778
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,919
Speaker 3: that every day decision, every thought, every action, every intention,

1779
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 3: every relationship can be in the mode of ignorance, mode

1780
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: of passion, or mode of goodness. And the mode of

1781
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 3: ignorance is where your relationships or any act is based

1782
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: on insecurity of fear. So when you're doing something out

1783
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 3: of fear, or you're doing it out of insecurity, or

1784
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 3: you're doing it out of pressure, that's considered the mode

1785
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: of ignorance. And energetically we all feel that right like

1786
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: you know, whether you I would know whether you were

1787
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: being forced to do this interview today out of out

1788
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 3: of some sort of fear or some sort of whatever.

1789
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: Maybe the mode of passion is where you're doing something

1790
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 3: because you want a certain result, you're doing it just

1791
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 3: for the reward, you're doing it just because it's going

1792
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 3: to get you what you want, it's going to get

1793
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 3: you to the goal, okay, And so that's considered the

1794
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 3: mode of passion. And again energetically you can tell that

1795
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 3: when someone has an agenda or someone wants something out

1796
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: of you, you've.

1797
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 2: Come here to get my point across on something or

1798
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 2: right totally.

1799
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: And then finally, the mode of goodness is the energy

1800
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: of like, I feel really at peace, I feel really ease.

1801
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 3: This feels aligned with my values, and therefore it feels

1802
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 3: like the right decision. And so we were trained to

1803
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 3: sense energetically whether things felt like the mode of ignorance,

1804
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 3: modi passion or mode of goodness, which was a really

1805
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: helpful framework because sometimes things were really hard to just

1806
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 3: sense without knowing where it sat in terms of a

1807
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 3: characteristics interesting and so that was really really helpful at

1808
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 3: the time. And so I find that I'm I'm the

1809
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 3: same as you where I make decisions energetically. But I

1810
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: think having moved into the real world again, I felt

1811
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 3: that I had to start getting used to understanding other

1812
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 3: elements kind of what you've mentioned earlier, which I loved,

1813
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: which was like I wish they had a class on

1814
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 3: life at school. Because it's like you haven't paid your bill,

1815
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 3: and you know you you know, there's football players not

1816
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 3: paying their taxes or whatever, and maybe and like that,

1817
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: maybe for different reasons, but anyway, you get the point

1818
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: that there's some things that you just don't know. And

1819
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 3: so what I've started to do, and I've I've said

1820
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 3: this a few times. So that's where it's a little

1821
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: formula that I use when I sit down with someone,

1822
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 3: whether it's business, whether it's relationships, whether it's work, even

1823
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: whether it's this. The first thing is always energy. That's

1824
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: my first gait that I want to get through. And

1825
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 3: if I don't feel energetically aligned with someone, then already

1826
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 3: there's no future here, like it's not going wow. And

1827
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 3: then the next thing I look at is strategically if

1828
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 3: it's business. So if it's personal, it's only energy. But

1829
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: if it's business, I look at, well, I like this

1830
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 3: person energetically. Do I think they're strategically aligned with where

1831
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 3: this has to go? Like, do I think they can

1832
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 3: actually implement this? Do I believe because a lot of

1833
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: people have great energy, but they don't have to implement anything.

1834
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: And then finally I look at well does the money align,

1835
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 3: does the monetary value aligned with the energy and strategy. Sure,

1836
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,959
Speaker 3: that's been my business version of what I learned as among.

1837
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: So what you're saying then that is a combination of

1838
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: both correct allowing your gut, your energy to kind of

1839
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: allow yourself to pursue further the opportunity, and then you

1840
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: take a sort of mental look at it to be like,

1841
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm accepting the opportunity from an emotional point of view.

1842
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: Now I need to see if it makes sort of

1843
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:08,879
Speaker 1: logical sense.

1844
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 3: Correct, and if it doesn't, then we're going to stop

1845
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: there again, right, Yeah, exactly. So I've found that more

1846
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 3: useful for me because I found that energetically, I can

1847
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 3: get excited about a lot of stuff and the same yeah,

1848
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 3: and I'm that kind of person, and again, I never

1849
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 3: want to block that. At the same time, I think

1850
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 3: we have to become more selective with our opportunities and

1851
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: know when to say no and know how to managed stuff.

1852
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 3: And that's at least helped me.

1853
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: Sure.

1854
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 3: So again I'm not saying anyone else to live like that.

1855
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm just it's interesting.

1856
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I am very much like go off

1857
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: my guar. I'll tell you what my mum is an

1858
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: unbelievable judge of character. Wow, And I think she might

1859
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: have without knowing what you're talking about, where she can

1860
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: pick up on people's energies because we can meet a

1861
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: new person. As a family, we've met this new person,

1862
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: three of us could love this new person and another

1863
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: three could not like this new person. And my mom

1864
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: will be like, no, no, don't like that person, And

1865
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: then within six months all of us like.

1866
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: Do you remember that person that we were really good

1867
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 2: friends with for a little bit.

1868
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: She's really got a keen eye for people that we

1869
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: would get along with.

1870
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: That.

1871
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: Moms are like that now that you say that. All

1872
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 3: my mates who let me down when I was a

1873
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 3: teenager and I was like, mom, no, they're my best friend.

1874
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: I'm never going to leave them. They're like a brother

1875
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 3: to me. And they're like, seven months later, the person

1876
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: stabbed you in the back and then you're like, oh, yeah,

1877
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: you know.

1878
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: But the good thing about mums is they wouldn't judge

1879
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: you for it. Yeah, they're like, look, I told you,

1880
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: but you have to make your own.

1881
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 3: Stead Yeah, exactly exactly. But it's interesting that you've been

1882
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: able to hold onto that, and I love that. Do

1883
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 3: you feel like you were asking me about moving to

1884
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: LA and I think, what have you felt? And there's

1885
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 3: a part of you that's obviously wanting to be back

1886
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 3: in Kingston, be back to sure have you felt that

1887
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: there's been parts of yourself that have been challenged? I

1888
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 3: don't feel sitting with you today that you know. I

1889
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: don't know you before, I don't know you after. I've

1890
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 3: only met you today, so I can't judge who you

1891
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 3: are or what you And that's all I can say

1892
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: is that when I'm sitting with you today, I feel

1893
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: like I'm sitting with an authentic individual and your energy

1894
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 3: comes across very easily.

1895
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1896
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've had to hold on to

1897
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 3: that at times with opportunities, challenges the industry? Or is

1898
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 3: that all stuff that we kind of make up in

1899
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 3: our heads and it's actually just be yourself and you're fine.

1900
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: I really don't know the answer to that question.

1901
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: I've definitely walked away from a lot, and I think

1902
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: had I not walked away from certain situations, let's just

1903
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: put it at that, I would be a very different

1904
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 1: person today. I've been really good at keeping in touch

1905
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: with my friends, keeping my family close, listening to the

1906
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: lessons not getting caught up.

1907
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: In the Hollywood hype.

1908
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,879
Speaker 1: Like I really am a massive fan of making movies,

1909
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: but I really do not like Hollywood.

1910
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 2: It is not for me that the business really scares me.

1911
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: I understand that I'm a part of that business and

1912
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: I enjoy my kind of interactions with it. But that said,

1913
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: I am always looking for ways to kind of remove

1914
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: myself from it, to kind of just live as normal

1915
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: life as possible. Today, doing this is a very rare

1916
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: thing for me to do. Like in London, to come

1917
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 1: in and speak to someone about my life is something

1918
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: I would not typically do. But because I'm a fan

1919
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: of yours and I was keen to kind of hear

1920
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: what you had to say and chat to you today,

1921
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: I felt like this would be a safe space for

1922
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: me to do that. But yeah, I definitely think it

1923
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: has been an ongoing thought, which.

1924
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: Is don't lose yourself.

1925
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: I've seen so many people come before me and lose themselves,

1926
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: and I've had friends that I've grown up with that

1927
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: aren't friends of mine anymore because they've lost themselves to

1928
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 1: this business. And I just am really really keen to

1929
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: focus on what makes me happy, which is my family.

1930
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: It's my friends, it's my carpentry, my golf, the charity

1931
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: that my mum runs. Like that is the stuff that

1932
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: makes me really happy, and that's the stuff that I

1933
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: should protect. My relationship is the thing that I keep

1934
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: most sacred. I don't talk about it. I try my

1935
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: best to keep it as private as possible. We both

1936
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: feel very strongly that that is the healthiest way for

1937
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: us to move on as a couple, so I do

1938
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: try to keep as removed from it as possible. Like

1939
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: You'll never see me at an award show that I

1940
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: don't have to be at. I'm never going to a

1941
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: red carpet event that I'm not in the film of.

1942
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want the attention when I don't

1943
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: need it. I love the spotlight. I love the pressure

1944
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: that comes with it.

1945
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 2: Just watch that tennis documentary Breaking Point. You've got to

1946
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: see it.

1947
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I never realized how brutal tennis was. I've

1948
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: always been a huge tennis lover. I am now absolutely

1949
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: in awe of what those athletes go through. But there's

1950
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: a quote from Billy Jean King that's on the stand

1951
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: at her Stadium in New York that says pressure is

1952
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: a privilege, and that is so true, Like, oh my god,

1953
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: feeling pressure on a daily basis in the capacity that

1954
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: we feel is such a privilege. I love feeling pressure.

1955
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I thrive under pressure. The best golf

1956
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: I've ever played in my life is when there are

1957
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: cameras around and people are watching. I just think that

1958
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: that is a real amazing thing to be able to experience.

1959
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: So I enjoy it while I can, and then when

1960
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: it becomes a bit much, I kind of become a

1961
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: bit of a recluse and I disappear. I come back

1962
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: to Kingston. I play golf, I play tennis, So I

1963
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 1: hang out with my friends and my family, do the

1964
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: pub quiz and all that sort of stuff. So yeah,

1965
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: so it is something I actively try to do. As

1966
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: I get older, it only gets easier.

1967
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And I can. I can relate

1968
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 3: to that where in my in my small way, or

1969
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 3: in my world where a lot of my friends think

1970
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 3: like I'm in La like always that events always a pies.

1971
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm like in bed by nine thirty pm, right,

1972
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: And I only live there because it works for me.

1973
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 3: In the world that I do and what I do,

1974
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: and I enjoy living in LA but it's it. I

1975
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: don't live there for Hollywood, and I think that's often

1976
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: the perception as well, where I was like, Oh, you're

1977
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: all Hollywood now, and I'm like, well, no, not really,

1978
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't really I don't really go to all

1979
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: the events and gatherings and stuff unless I need to

1980
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 3: be there. I'm connected to a project, so so I

1981
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 3: relate to that what you mentioned a few things there.

1982
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 3: But if I had to ask you, as Tom, when

1983
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 3: do you feel most to yourself? Like when do you

1984
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 3: feel most connected or and what are you trying to

1985
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 3: reconnect to if You're like, well, I know what it is,

1986
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 3: but I'm still figuring it out. Again.

1987
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I think when I feel most myself is to do

1988
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: my relationships. I'm going to leave that and not all

1989
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: about that absolutely. But I think the other thing, and

1990
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: this is such a stupid thing, but it's when I'm

1991
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: playing good golf, Like there's something about how golf is

1992
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: the most humbling sport in the world. I agree, who

1993
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: you are, it doesn't matter how much money you've got,

1994
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: how successful you are, Golf will batter you no matter

1995
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: who you are, And I love That's what I love

1996
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: about it.

1997
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's such a leveling sport.

1998
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: I love going to a golf course and meeting new

1999
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: people that I've never played with before.

2000
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 2: Playing around the golf, I struggle when.

2001
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't play badly, Like I've got a bit of

2002
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: a temper, and like you're supposed to have fourteen clubs

2003
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: in your bag, I currently have nine and you could

2004
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: probably guess why.

2005
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: But I.

2006
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Just love being outside. I've always been an outdoorsy person.

2007
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: I love being on the golf course. I love my mates,

2008
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: they all love playing golf. There's just something about the

2009
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: challenge of shooting lower than your lowest score that really

2010
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of takes my mind off of the work. The

2011
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: interesting thing about golf is that you could be having

2012
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: a terrible day, you could be really upset about something,

2013
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: and if you play really well, you completely forget about it.

2014
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 1: If you play really badly, you then are playing badly

2015
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: because of what's happening outside of golf.

2016
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: It's like a.

2017
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: Really weird kind of catch twenty two, I guess, but

2018
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: I love it. I think when I'm playing good golf

2019
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: is when I feel most like myself.

2020
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2021
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a unique answer, but I get it. Yeah, weird, Yeah,

2022
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 3: I've only ever played golf like twice in my life, right,

2023
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 3: and I totally get the point of how humbling it is.

2024
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 3: Is horrendous. No matter how quickly you pick up other

2025
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 3: things in life, golf is not one of those things

2026
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 3: that you pick up that easily.

2027
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 2: Wet.

2028
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: You can sign the biggest deal of your life and

2029
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: go out to play golf to celebrate, and it will

2030
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: ruin your day, like absolutely ruined.

2031
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 3: Don't go to play golf to celebrate.

2032
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: No, never go to celebrate. Crazy do you play? Do

2033
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: you still play any sports?

2034
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 3: I love playing football when I'm back here, Okay, so

2035
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 3: that's one of the things my mates to know that

2036
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 3: when I'm back in London. Okay, we're going to play

2037
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 3: a game.

2038
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: Where do you play?

2039
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 3: Well, we'll just we we were just playing like a

2040
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 3: seven a side pitch, a five a side pitch, like

2041
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 3: close to northwest London, which is where most of my

2042
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: mates are, so like Stan Moore, Edgeware, Watford, that's like

2043
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 3: where all my mates are, and so we'll just go

2044
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 3: rent a pitch, kick a ball about. I'm not any

2045
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 3: good anymore. Sure I still got the full kit and.

2046
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always.

2047
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: I've actually got Amar's kit like from here. Oh wow,

2048
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: you best believe our show to five a side in

2049
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: his full kit.

2050
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 3: I love it is him.

2051
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: We went on a lads holiday to Portugal recently to

2052
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: play golf and at the resort we were staying at,

2053
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: the people were so nice. I said, let's have an

2054
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: England versus Portugal football match. There was like, I think

2055
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: there's eight of us, and there was a bunch of

2056
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: Brits that were working at the resort, so they kind

2057
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: of joined our team and we literally did England versus Portugal.

2058
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: It's a full sized pitch. We did sixty minutes, thirty

2059
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: minutes each way.

2060
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm fit.

2061
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: I train every day. I absolutely love my fitness. I

2062
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: really really like im into it. By the end, I

2063
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: could not make five paces without my legs cramping up.

2064
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: They are so fit, these football players. It's unbelievable. And

2065
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: we won, and it's so funny how the first ten

2066
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,480
Speaker 1: minutes of the game was really friendly, like soft fouls,

2067
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: sorry mate, like your free kick, and by the end

2068
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,480
Speaker 1: it was savage.

2069
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 2: It was really intense.

2070
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 3: Well at least you won there.

2071
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 2: We won.

2072
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: I got an assist. It was actually a glorious as well. Actually,

2073
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 1: I just I pinged the ball over the top. My

2074
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 1: brother made a run and it bounced and he managed

2075
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: to get his foot to it and he chipped the keeper.

2076
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 3: And scored it. There's no footage.

2077
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: There's no footage, which is yeah, no proof, no bruth.

2078
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: I sometimes think when the whole no proof thing, like,

2079
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: we had the craziest experience of my life the other day.

2080
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about it because our lives are so crazy, like,

2081
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: there's no why would I lie. But the other day

2082
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 1: we went swimming with killer whales in Mexico.

2083
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: I said the other day.

2084
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: It was last year, and it was one of the

2085
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: most humbling experiences of my life. There's no proof of it,

2086
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: there's no evidence because it was so off the cuff.

2087
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: We weren't planning on doing it. So most people I

2088
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: tell are like, you definitely didn't do that, But we were.

2089
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: We were in Mexico and we were on a boat

2090
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: and we just so happened to see this pod of

2091
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: orca jack.

2092
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: My security guard thought it would be a good idea

2093
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: to jump in.

2094
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 1: He jumped straight in, flippers on, goggles on, and we

2095
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: were driving to keep up with the whales because they

2096
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: were kind of following our boat. So by the time

2097
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: Jack had jumped in, he was like this, He was

2098
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,680
Speaker 1: like one hundred meters away and you could see him

2099
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: and the whales were like swimming around him. So I'm

2100
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: starting to freak out because he's a good friend of

2101
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: mine and he's a security and he's.

2102
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: My security on Jack.

2103
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: We got to get back to the hotel, so I

2104
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: said to the guy, like, excuse me, sir, can you

2105
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: turn around and go and get my friend because we

2106
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: now can't see him anymore, like he's gone. We found him,

2107
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: We got him back in the boat, and he sort

2108
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: of said, like, lads, you have to get him there

2109
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: is it's unlike anything you've ever seen before. My brother

2110
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Harry is like googling whether or not it's safe to

2111
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,919
Speaker 1: swim with them, and it's sort of the general consensus

2112
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: online is don't go swimming with killer whales. You can

2113
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: there's never been a recorded tack in the wild, but

2114
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:13,560
Speaker 1: they are wild animal.

2115
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: As big as a bus.

2116
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 1: And also Jack's giving it like, don't worry time, I'll

2117
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: be there, I'll look after.

2118
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, Jack, what are you gonna do?

2119
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 3: Bro?

2120
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: Like what this whale decides to eat me?

2121
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, we put the flippers on, put the goggles on.

2122
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: We find the whales. They're sort of interacting with the

2123
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 1: back of the boat. They're clearly curious, and I just thought, like,

2124
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I guess it goes back to what you're saying, the

2125
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: mode of ignorance. I just was like, I'm gonna try

2126
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: it and see what happens. I jumped in, My brother

2127
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: jumped in, Jack jumped in. We kind of came together.

2128
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: We're thirty miles out of the coast, so it's literally

2129
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: like dark blue water, nothing below us, and to my relief,

2130
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: the whales had gone. We couldn't see them. So I'm

2131
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: sort of thinking, oh, well, that's actually a bit of

2132
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: a touch. At least I can say. I in and

2133
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: they have gone. But then Jack said, look down, and

2134
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: we looked down, and it came from beneath us. And

2135
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: what has been such an interesting experience for me was

2136
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw the whale, I wasn't scared

2137
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: anymore because I could just tell that it wasn't going

2138
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: to eat me. I don't know, I don't know how

2139
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: to explain it, but you could just see from its

2140
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: body language.

2141
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: I remember it so vividly. It swam up to us.

2142
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: It was maybe ten meters below us, and it was

2143
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: kind of motionlessly sort of just looking at us, and

2144
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: then it kind of rolled on its back. It did

2145
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: this weird thing where it kind of put its head

2146
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: like this and you could see its eye like we

2147
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 1: were having this crazy like moment, and then it just

2148
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: swam off and it was gone. And then for three

2149
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: hours afterwards, I couldn't speak. I had the biggest adrenaline dump.

2150
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: I just basically was asleep. But it was such an

2151
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: amazing experience to sort of meet the apex predator of

2152
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: the world and it kind of looked at you and

2153
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: just swim away. Most people don't believe me because I

2154
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: believe it. There's no evidence, but it was. I think

2155
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: about it now and then you know, it's so funny

2156
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: as well. I see these ice like our planet. There's

2157
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 1: there's more footage of orcas hunting and another way in

2158
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: which they hunt. There is no way I would do

2159
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: that again.

2160
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way I'd get in there again.

2161
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was hearing you explain it is like

2162
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 3: you're so present, Yeah, that you can tell that you

2163
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 3: just you were so present in that moment that you

2164
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 3: stop thinking about like, oh, well, you know if I

2165
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 3: tell this afters and no one's gonna believe it or

2166
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 3: whatever it is. You're just like, wait a minute. Yeah,

2167
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 3: you know, nature makes you present like.

2168
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: That, and that's what I love about nature is it's

2169
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: completely unbiased as well, like if that whale wanted to

2170
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: have a snack, then you know it's not looking at

2171
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: you going, oh no, but that's a famous person. I've

2172
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: got to leave him alone. Or it just you are

2173
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: at one with mother nature. We're in the middle of

2174
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the ocean. There's nothing we could do, and we just

2175
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 1: were able to enjoy it somewhat, maybe like being in

2176
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: the cave. Like you were saying, it was just about

2177
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 1: us and this whale. My brother and I were holding hands.

2178
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: But then as soon as it presented itself to us,

2179
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: any stress just dissipated. And it was just this unbelievable

2180
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: experience and it was so leveling. It was so humbling

2181
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: that it makes me feel like I can take on

2182
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: certain things. So honestly, even thinking about the experience down

2183
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: my heart is racing.

2184
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine it was.

2185
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 2: It was wild.

2186
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool, unbelievable that that's an incredible experience,

2187
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: and it is different from the cave though, because I

2188
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 3: do think it's it's different when you're with another living

2189
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 3: being sure, and so that's what I found. Like my

2190
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 3: closest experience to what you're talking about is I went

2191
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 3: trekking with or looking for mounting gorilla and Rwanda. Last time,

2192
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 3: have you been.

2193
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 2: On the top of my list? I would love to.

2194
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we should do it. I would do that

2195
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 3: again any day because it was unbelievable. So you're not again.

2196
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 3: These gorillas are not like in a park or something.

2197
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 3: They're mounting gorilla. They're in their world and you go

2198
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 3: and look for them, and there's no tagging devices or

2199
01:32:57,560 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 3: any tech. There's people who have watched the gorilla for

2200
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 3: so many years that they know where their droppings are,

2201
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 3: they know where families hang out, they know what their

2202
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 3: routines are. So depending on what time you're going out,

2203
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 3: there's someone who's just around them, who's calling their friends,

2204
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 3: calling your guide saying walk, this is where you've got

2205
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 3: to go exactly, just just to make it very very

2206
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 3: clear that you know the gorilla is being treated very well.

2207
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 3: So you're literally looking around and you could be on

2208
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,759
Speaker 3: the lookout for them for like two to six hours.

2209
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 3: You may not find them. You're just hiking. So I

2210
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 3: love that though you might not find it, you might

2211
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 3: not find them. So we found them in two hours.

2212
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: One group that we heard about because you go in

2213
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 3: smaller groups of like ten. The other group that we

2214
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,919
Speaker 3: were friends with, they took eight hours to find gorillas,

2215
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 3: but they saw them too. And when I went, I

2216
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 3: was kind of like, oh, we're going to see one

2217
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 3: gorilla whatever, like they're going to be far away. Like

2218
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 3: I was a bit skeptical because I didn't know how

2219
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 3: it was going to be. And it was incredible because

2220
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 3: we looked around for two hours and I'll show you

2221
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 3: the video afterwards, but we got and we just saw

2222
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 3: them like hanging out kind of like how I'm looking

2223
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 3: at everyone here, just hanging out still, and then all

2224
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 3: of a sudden they all started walking together. There was

2225
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 3: a family have twenty gorillas and you've got two silver

2226
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 3: backs that are like, you know, they're like their fists

2227
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 3: are like, you know, just hugeah exactly. And it was

2228
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 3: really interesting because the guides who were there with us,

2229
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: they said to us that when you go close to

2230
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 3: them kind of like and this is why I remembered

2231
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 3: it and why I'm telling you. It's because when you

2232
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 3: were talking about the way the whale looked at you

2233
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 3: and it was kind of like you knew it wasn't

2234
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 3: going to eat you.

2235
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2236
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 3: And so they were saying that when you get close

2237
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 3: to these gorillas, the only thing you can't do. You

2238
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 3: can't touch their kids, and you can't touch them, so

2239
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 3: you can't drop something near their kids and then try

2240
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 3: get it back because they'll think you're trying to harm

2241
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 3: their kids. But what they recommended was they said you

2242
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 3: had to make this sound when you see them, and

2243
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 3: this sound means we come in peace, and so the

2244
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 3: sound was so that's what you have to make that sound.

2245
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 3: I was, all right, there's some Disney last I'm not

2246
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 3: believing this stuff. Like whatever, I'm going to play around

2247
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 3: with it. And so I'm walking around. So we go

2248
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 3: to the gorilla and we get close to them, and

2249
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 3: I made that sound because we were told they were like,

2250
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 3: make that sound. And then the gorilla did it back

2251
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 3: and it was just unbelievable. And then there was this

2252
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 3: one moment where we were walking and we were literally

2253
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 3: surrounded by gorilla. Now I was getting it, and that's

2254
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 3: when I was like a bit scared because they were

2255
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 3: all around us and like literally, if they ran at you,

2256
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 3: like I'm done. Yeah, you know nothing, you can do nothing,

2257
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 3: nothing you can do. And so we're walking, they're walking

2258
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 3: around us, and this massive silver back came up. So

2259
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 3: my business manager was with me as well, and so

2260
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: he's there. He's like my godfather in la like he

2261
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 3: really looks takes care of me, so very close to him.

2262
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 3: And so this big, this big gorilla that walks behind

2263
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: him and I'm looking at him, going, oh man, like

2264
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 3: he stopped and we're all looking at him because he's

2265
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 3: got this massive silver back behind him and we're all like,

2266
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 3: how do we tell him to move? And the guys

2267
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 3: like just be still, like just you know, be really present,

2268
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 3: like you can't freak out, and the gorilla just went

2269
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: wow behind him and they moved out the way and

2270
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 3: just walked fast wow. And it was just it was

2271
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 3: that same presence that you're feeling that I felt with them.

2272
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 3: And that's what I mean. The living being with another

2273
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: living being is is spectacular.

2274
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: So do you think that level of ease comes from

2275
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: the helpless nature of being in the presence of an

2276
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: animal that could do to you whatever they want to.

2277
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why I felt so

2278
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: calm when the whale had come up was because there

2279
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: was nothing we could do.

2280
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Should it go sideways?

2281
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 1: And I think being almost finding that kind of inner

2282
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 1: piece of like, I've made my mind, this is the

2283
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: choices I've made. I'm here now, there's nothing I can do.

2284
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like you should make peace with your choices.

2285
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I don't know.

2286
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think that's I think you've actually

2287
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 3: taken it somewhere, really beautiful, mate. I think for me

2288
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 3: as well, it's humility.

2289
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why.

2290
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 3: And like when you when you meet someone new, rarely

2291
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 3: are we humble. Sure, we often feel the pressure to

2292
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 3: be like, well look at who I am, or like

2293
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 3: you know, or we're trying to create, even if it's

2294
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 3: not out of ego, there's a certain sense of like

2295
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 3: wanting to gain people's like and respect, and people, no

2296
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 3: matter what I do this way or Gorilla is not

2297
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 3: going to like or respect me, So I better just

2298
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 3: be humble about it and at piece, as you said,

2299
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 3: and it levels you, and it levels you and it

2300
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 3: allows that human being, that that being also of course

2301
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 3: it's not you know, of course we're not recom there's

2302
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 3: no we're not recommending that you just go into these

2303
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: places I want. Yeah, yeah, but the idea being that

2304
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: I do think there's something magical about nature where humility

2305
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 3: is kind of nature's way, and it is that what

2306
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 3: you're saying that when you're at peace with your choices

2307
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 3: and you're at peace with here, we are here, I am,

2308
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: I can't do anything and guess what, it's okay.

2309
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's somewhat sort of

2310
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: like I've made a decision. If the decision is a mistake,

2311
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: you've got to live with it.

2312
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: You made it.

2313
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to talk about sports because I was thinking,

2314
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 3: I play a lot of tennis, play a lot of football,

2315
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 3: play a lot of pickleball now because that's become a

2316
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: but I'm massively more into paddle. I don't think I

2317
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 3: love love paddle. So I want that to blow up

2318
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 3: in the US, but it's not going to. So when

2319
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,720
Speaker 3: I went to Dubai and I went to Miami and

2320
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 3: I went to Madrid because a big in Spain. Mate,

2321
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 3: are they playing it here? Yeah?

2322
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: My local tennis club has got two courts, like you

2323
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: can't book them they're so sold out, all right, honestly,

2324
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 1: paddle tennis.

2325
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 2: I love tennis.

2326
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think tennis is one of the best sports

2327
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: in the world, and I think that, you know, they

2328
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: are the highest performing athletes some of in the world.

2329
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 2: But it's really hard tennis.

2330
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: Like I find unless I'm playing with someone who's much

2331
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: better than me, I don't play well, Like I really

2332
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: I need to be chasing someone. Yeah, paddle tennis is

2333
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: so social. It's it's easy to have great rallies. You

2334
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: still get the satisfaction of really smacking a ball because

2335
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: pickle is it's all about placement and trying to kind

2336
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: of one up your opponent. Where it's playing at the

2337
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: kitchen and just exactly why is it called a kitchen?

2338
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 3: I have no idea. And that's so I played pickle

2339
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 3: like paddle right because I'm like, no, no, like.

2340
01:38:55,720 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: Why I do like pickle, But paddle tennis amazing.

2341
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,799
Speaker 3: Next time, Yeah, pad was one of my favorite favorite.

2342
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 3: I was in Dubai with a client for work for

2343
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 3: months a couple of years back. I played it every

2344
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 3: day for three months. It was just Yes, it's the

2345
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:14,959
Speaker 3: best workout, the most fun. Like time just flew is amazing.

2346
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 3: But I was bringing it back to sports because I

2347
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 3: was saying I was saying, you know you you personally

2348
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 3: tried to recruit Mbappe for Tottenham. I did, yeah, And

2349
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 3: I just thought that was amazing because I was like,

2350
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 3: I've never seen this ever happen before, where you know

2351
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 3: someone's using their clout in the right way.

2352
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 2: Listen, I saw him.

2353
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm a mad tottenm fan and I just thought, now's

2354
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: my chance. And he said no, the deal didn't go through.

2355
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: No signing bonus for myself. That was a crazy trip

2356
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: that going to the ball on Door. Yeah, we were

2357
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: there for Spider Man Spider Arms coming out. I'm not

2358
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 1: really sure how that was promo for Spider Man, but

2359
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: like it was part of our trip for some reason.

2360
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: But it was amazing meeting these players and I admire

2361
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: them so much.

2362
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 3: It's incredible when you can notice other athletes and under

2363
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 3: greatness and I see that at the top, which we've

2364
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: talked a lot today about, and you're really good at this,

2365
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 3: like you really, I feel like I feel like you're

2366
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 3: quite tuned into like admiring and observing greatness and like

2367
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,839
Speaker 3: the one percent and trying to figure out what they're doing. Differently,

2368
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the things I've definitely

2369
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 3: seen of the one percent, is that there's a humility

2370
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 3: and that they have the ability to appreciate other people's

2371
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 3: greatness and skills and values and purpose, Like they're not

2372
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 3: looking at it going I'm the best of all time. Sure,

2373
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 3: there's a part of that. They may have to say

2374
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 3: that for the cameras, or they may have to say

2375
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 3: that before they go on the pitch, But actually, if

2376
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 3: you talk to them and you ask them about someone else,

2377
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 3: they'll be like, yeah, best player I've ever seen, Like

2378
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 3: they're incredible. And so who did you admire growing up

2379
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 3: in acting? Who do you admire today? Like? Who have

2380
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 3: been the people that And maybe on a mindset level

2381
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 3: or maybe on a or a performance level as well.

2382
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: There are definitely performances of people that I look up to.

2383
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: There are the types of careers of certain actors that

2384
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: I really admire. They're also like the types of lives

2385
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 1: that certain people lead that I really admire and that

2386
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I really aspire to sort of be. Like I tend

2387
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: to let all of my admiration go towards athletes. I'm

2388
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: just so blown away by what they can do under

2389
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 1: the pressure that they're under me As an actor, I

2390
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 1: realize that my job is a high pressure job because

2391
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: it reaches millions of people. But that said, there are

2392
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 1: so many people that help me get to where I

2393
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: need to be. I get picked up, someone makes me breakfast,

2394
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: someone writes the words that I'm supposed to say. Someone

2395
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: chooses my costume, someone does my hair and makeup, someone

2396
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: sets the camera up. Ultimately, I walk onto set and

2397
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: I do my bit. But I'm a small part in

2398
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: a massive machine. But when you look at someone like

2399
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Djokovic or Federer, or this new Alcoraz you know, or

2400
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: the golfers or Lewis. Lewis is slightly different. Because Formula

2401
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: one is so much about the team in the car

2402
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. They have to do

2403
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: it themselves at a certain point, there's only so much

2404
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 1: help they can get. But then when they walk onto

2405
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: that court for the first time, when they walk into

2406
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 1: the ring or into the octagon, it's them by themselves.

2407
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: They're under that amount of pressure. It's up to them

2408
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: whether they deliver or not. And I just have always

2409
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: been admiring of seeing some of the greats lose their

2410
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,719
Speaker 1: wind streak and come back even stronger. I've always really

2411
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: been an admirer of people that are able to do that.

2412
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a folly when you see these wind

2413
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: streaks of fifty and oher and all that sort of stuff,

2414
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, that to me, isn't what a

2415
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: champion is. A champion is someone who had it all,

2416
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 1: lost it all, and got it right back again.

2417
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury's story is a crazy one.

2418
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to see aj come back and be on

2419
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: top again because I'd love to be alive to witness

2420
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: that legacy that he would leave behind. You know, I

2421
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: feel sorry for him what happened to him when he

2422
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: sort of seemed to really lose it a little bit

2423
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: in the ring when he took the microphone, and I'd

2424
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 1: love to see him back on top and to have

2425
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 1: some clarity and to be a champion again, because I

2426
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: admire him as an athlete, So I save most of

2427
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: my admiration for athletes and musicians.

2428
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 2: I love musicians.

2429
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: I see someone like Ed sheeran eighty thousand people in

2430
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: the palm of his hand. I think comedians are equally

2431
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: as talented, the ability that they can just go on

2432
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 1: stage and make people laugh. That is terrifying actors for

2433
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: me because it's what I do.

2434
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, you.

2435
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I get. I get what he's saying. I

2436
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 3: got it saying. And at the end of the day,

2437
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's taking what you can from from

2438
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 3: what you aspire for, right, Like you can take something

2439
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 3: from all these people, right. And what I love about

2440
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 3: is some of these people you know. Some of these

2441
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 3: people you don't. But I always say to people who

2442
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 3: are listening and watching that you can be mentored by

2443
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 3: people you've never met, You're right, And I think that's

2444
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 3: a really important skill to gain because I think we

2445
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 3: live in a world right now where somewhat access has

2446
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 3: become easier, and we always think we need access to

2447
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 3: people directly in order to learn from them. But you

2448
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 3: don't know everyone you've just mentioned, even though you may

2449
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 3: know a couple of them closely. And same with me,

2450
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 3: Like I was really fortunate, you know, growing up as

2451
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 3: a teenager. I got introduced to like Martin Luther King's

2452
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 3: work and Malcolm X's work, and I was reading crazy

2453
01:44:01,200 --> 01:44:03,839
Speaker 3: stuff at that age, but it had a massive impact

2454
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 3: on my mindset. I never met all those people, and

2455
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 3: obviously would never have got the opportunity to do that.

2456
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 3: But I feel mentored by them without ever having sat

2457
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 3: in the same room as them, because you study how

2458
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 3: they made decisions, and you study what they said and

2459
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 3: what they wrote. They stood for and they stood for

2460
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 3: and how and the parts that you don't hear through history,

2461
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 3: the parts that were actually more difficult, and the parts

2462
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 3: where they weren't the perfect hero right, and so all

2463
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff. But Tom, before we go

2464
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 3: to the final five, you've been so gracious with your

2465
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 3: time today, I have to ask you if you want

2466
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 3: to clarify the Harry Kane situation, because I'll tell you why.

2467
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 3: The reason why I say this is I had the dream.

2468
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 3: So I'm a Manchester United support Everyone on my community

2469
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 3: knows that very well. I have always had the dream

2470
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 3: that Harry Kane, when Wayne Rooney retired, Harry Kane was

2471
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 3: going to come to Manchester United and he was going

2472
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 3: to follow in the footsteps of all the great England

2473
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 3: forwards that have played Manchester United. That didn't happen. I'm

2474
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 3: still holding onto the that dream. But you want him

2475
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:02,919
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else.

2476
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: Well, listen, listen. Let me just clarify right. I love

2477
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Harry Kane. I love humans on human Son is my

2478
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 1: favorite foot player.

2479
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 2: He is a hero. I love Tottenham. I'm a big

2480
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Tottenham fan.

2481
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,879
Speaker 1: But I just I know that those players could thrive

2482
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and have the best careers ever. Else I just want

2483
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: to see I want to see Harry lifting a trophy,

2484
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: and I want to see Son there by him, and

2485
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:28,719
Speaker 1: and and I just don't think you're.

2486
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 3: Rooting for the individual.

2487
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll always be a tottenm fan. You know, I

2488
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 1: love being a Spurs fan. My brother Harry and I,

2489
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, we've really ponded over it, but I just

2490
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, Harry Kane is one of the best strikers

2491
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 1: in the world, and he would fit into almost any team, and.

2492
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him on top.

2493
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: An interesting question, do you think he would have had

2494
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: a similar season to Harland had he gone to see.

2495
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a I personally think.

2496
01:45:58,439 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 2: Because I think Harland's amazing.

2497
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I think Harland, with his age, his strength and his mentality.

2498
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy about Harland is I saw this

2499
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 3: interview and you know, obviously it hurts me to say it,

2500
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 3: but city and all, but when Harland did this interview,

2501
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 3: he just scored like I can't remember which game.

2502
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 2: It was, He's unbelieving scored.

2503
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 3: He scored like five goals that game and he was like,

2504
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,560
Speaker 3: I should have had seven. And the interview was like,

2505
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 3: come on, they take some credit, like he scored five goals,

2506
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, I'm happy with that. But

2507
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:27,719
Speaker 3: he goes, you know, there were a couple of assists

2508
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: that should have gone in, and I thought that mentalityts

2509
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 3: a whiner his mindset. I was like, he was he

2510
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 3: knew exactly which opportunities he missed. And I was like, so,

2511
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 3: I think it's an AIDS thing. Yeah, it's a strength thing.

2512
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,679
Speaker 3: I feel like Harland's kind of like I've always compared

2513
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 3: Harland to like Ivan Drago, like he was made in

2514
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 3: the lab. He was made like he was manufactured this

2515
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 3: incredible talien. I think he's good with like he admitted,

2516
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 3: like he scores a lot of tappings, and I think

2517
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 3: that's his game. He's not a scorecard, you know, in

2518
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 3: a good way. I'm saying that he's been built in

2519
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 3: that way and city played that way. I don't know

2520
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 3: if Kanes are tapping guy he's got. His goals have

2521
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 3: generally been a bit more diverse in that.

2522
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 2: Magic. Yeah, magic is the way I would describe Kane.

2523
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2524
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 2: No, I love him.

2525
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: And obviously it's a typical thing of like the press

2526
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: are out saying, oh, Tom Hollands begging Kane to leave.

2527
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 2: I'm not begging him to leave.

2528
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 1: I love that he's at our club because I'd be

2529
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: terrified to see where we'd be without him.

2530
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 2: But I just love to see him have the career

2531
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:21,600
Speaker 2: I know he could have.

2532
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 3: What do you think, dude belling him to Madrid?

2533
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 2: I think that's a great move. I love that.

2534
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 3: I love that.

2535
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: And what's what's interesting is that all of my friends

2536
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: in Spain are from Barcelona.

2537
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 2: I have one friend from Madrid.

2538
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: I've always been a big Bars supporter because I used

2539
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to go to Barcelona all the time as a kid.

2540
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: I had a few weekends where I'd say to my

2541
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 1: mom and dad, I'm going to my friend's house and

2542
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 1: I would go to Barcelona.

2543
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Sneaky wrote if.

2544
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 3: I don'd my Indian parents that, I was like, they

2545
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:50,959
Speaker 3: know the dial tone straight away.

2546
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 2: And mate, I got caught. My mum called me up

2547
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 2: and was like, where are you.

2548
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,040
Speaker 1: I was my friend's house. She said, no, you're not

2549
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 1: because I'm here and I was in laramblasted Barcelona, but

2550
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,879
Speaker 1: I just I just love players. I think jud Benham's

2551
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,720
Speaker 1: amazing and you know, I just love to see what

2552
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 1: he could do there. I think it's the thing for

2553
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,759
Speaker 1: me is I love legacy. I love seeing what players

2554
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: can do. I'm less about the teams, so I love

2555
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: about tennants or golf.

2556
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's not.

2557
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 1: About the team, it's about the player. So I would

2558
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: just love to see what he could do there. And

2559
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure one day we'll see England raizor trophy.

2560
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: And we've got such a great young team and.

2561
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 2: I admire them all.

2562
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's a great move for him.

2563
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: He's only nineteen or something like that.

2564
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,879
Speaker 3: That's insane. Ye it's nineteen and that's wild incredible.

2565
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 2: He's a year older than my brother Paddy. That's mental.

2566
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 3: Mate. You've been amazing today, honestly, this is Yeah, this

2567
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 3: has been some of the most fun I've had in

2568
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 3: a long time.

2569
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Yea too, thank you.

2570
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I went, we ask everyone the final

2571
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 3: five and so these are the fast five questions, okay,

2572
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 3: which means answers have to be one word to one

2573
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 3: sentence maximum okay, no more than that done? Okay, and

2574
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 3: you don't have to write or spell them out, so no, no,

2575
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 3: a long, none of that. All right? So Tom Holland

2576
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,960
Speaker 3: is your final five. Question one, what is the best

2577
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 3: advice you've ever received.

2578
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,680
Speaker 2: To turn your nerves into excitement?

2579
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 3: I like that that we've never had done this show.

2580
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 3: I loved that, all right. Second question, what is the

2581
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 3: worst advice you've ever received?

2582
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: Move to LA, get a marijuana license, and buy a

2583
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: hot tub?

2584
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 2: Who told you that Mark willwork?

2585
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:22,839
Speaker 3: That's brilliant.

2586
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 1: Now he told me that honor chat shows. I don't

2587
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: know if that was legit advice, but I didn't take

2588
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:27,879
Speaker 1: his advice.

2589
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 3: Okay, good, Well who would you have been if you

2590
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: took that advice?

2591
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:31,720
Speaker 2: Who knows?

2592
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Who knows? All right? Question number three, what's the first

2593
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 3: thing you do every morning? In the last thing you

2594
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 3: do every night?

2595
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 2: Make my bed.

2596
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: It's the first thing I do and the last thing

2597
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 1: I do before I go to bed. Admittedly is I

2598
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: check my emails, which I shouldn't do, but.

2599
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 2: That is what I do. Yeah, it's bad.

2600
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we asked that just to make you aware of

2601
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 3: what you need to change.

2602
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: I do need to change that making my bed is

2603
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:54,120
Speaker 1: a good start. I used to never do that, and

2604
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:55,880
Speaker 1: now like, my first thing I do is I make

2605
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: my bed. That's my first challenge of the day. It

2606
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 1: is a good it's an easy one to get done.

2607
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 3: Question for what's something you're trying to learn at the moment.

2608
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 2: I'm currently taking golf lessons and we see.

2609
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 3: A trend is not going very well. Where are you

2610
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 3: at at the moment?

2611
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 1: The thing is with golf is that the golf swing

2612
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: is a very, very particular thing. So in order to

2613
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 1: get better, you do have to take quite a few

2614
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: steps backwards. I've taken maybe twenty five sets backwards, but

2615
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: I will I will benefit from it eventually.

2616
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 3: He did every day, every day.

2617
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:30,920
Speaker 2: Every day, but I practice every day.

2618
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 3: I've always said that to my wife. I was like,

2619
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 3: I want to go away for a month and I

2620
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 3: want to get trade there. I'm going to play golf

2621
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 3: every single day any way. Yeah, that's the only way

2622
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 3: I had a really So one of my clients took

2623
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 3: me to phg in Arizona, Yeah, which is like its

2624
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 3: beautiful place, Bob Passon's place, and I had a coach

2625
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 3: there for two days and I was like half decent

2626
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 3: after two days because the coach was so good. Yeah,

2627
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:51,560
Speaker 3: And when I got back to LA, I tried to

2628
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 3: get a coach and I couldn't find a good one.

2629
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 3: And then I had a coach that literally he came

2630
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 3: highly recommended, but it didn't work out for me. He

2631
01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 3: didn't let me take like zero point seven of a

2632
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 3: swing before he gave me a feedback, and I was like,

2633
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 3: I just need to hit a few, like I need

2634
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 3: to kind of just and it was like every time

2635
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 3: I was about to hit the boy, but I know,

2636
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I just need to kind of like

2637
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 3: get a feel for it.

2638
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 1: And so the guy I go to is a guy

2639
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: called James Heath, and he does most of his teachings

2640
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: off of feel. So it's not about numbers, it's not

2641
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,520
Speaker 1: about results, It's more about.

2642
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 2: How do you feel?

2643
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: He calls it the feels, So like I'm working on

2644
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: twisting my hipsmore and my backswing and he will say

2645
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 1: to me, how does that make you feel? Like physically,

2646
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 1: where do you feel the stretch? Where do you feel

2647
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 1: the pain? Where do you feel the pinch? Great, that's

2648
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 1: what I need you to feel. And I coming from

2649
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 1: a dancers background, that's a really great way for me

2650
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 1: to learn because everything in dancing is about feel. So

2651
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 1: if you need a great teacher in London, James Heath

2652
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 1: is fine.

2653
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:47,679
Speaker 3: Thank you, Shautow, James Heath, James. Fifth and final question,

2654
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 3: If you could create one law that everyone else in

2655
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 3: the world had to follow, what would it be.

2656
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:53,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2657
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what one law would solve the most

2658
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 1: amount of problems.

2659
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 2: What would you say? Curious?

2660
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 3: I'd probably go to something you said earlier. If I'm

2661
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 3: giving a genuine answer, a real answer, is I really

2662
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,559
Speaker 3: wish there was a life school like that would be it?

2663
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 3: Because I'm not saying that would solve all the problems

2664
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 3: in the world, no, but it would set people up.

2665
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 3: And when I say live school, I mean emotional mastery,

2666
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,800
Speaker 3: I mean one hundred percent ego master I mean the

2667
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:25,640
Speaker 3: ability to be kind and empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate

2668
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 3: and create safe spaces. I think a life school that

2669
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 3: taught you how to be non judgmental, sure, and non

2670
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 3: critical of others without understanding them. I think, sure, that's

2671
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 3: what I mean by life school. So not just the

2672
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 3: like paying taxes and bills and stuff, but the life

2673
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 3: school of like well, what if we didn't have to

2674
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 3: live in a world where we just said everything we

2675
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 3: wanted to and did everything we wanted to and got

2676
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 3: away with it.

2677
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: And you know, but I think life, the life lesson

2678
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 1: for me should be basic health and CPR and basic

2679
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 1: first aid training. It should be, like you said, creating

2680
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:02,240
Speaker 1: an environment at school where young people feel more comfortable

2681
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,599
Speaker 1: talking about themselves, what they're going through, you know, things

2682
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: that might be happening at home or things that are

2683
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 1: happening at school. Like I think that that would be

2684
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:15,840
Speaker 1: an amazing way for us to be more expressive and

2685
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 1: more comfortable expressing. And again, like I know, I keep

2686
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: going back to it, but it's about what my show

2687
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:24,160
Speaker 1: is about, which is you should feel empowered when asking

2688
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: for help. It should be something that you're proud of,

2689
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 1: Like you're recognizing that you have an issue. It might

2690
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: be an internal issue, it might be an external issue,

2691
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: but you are seeking help, which I think is very admirable.

2692
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I do encourage and recommend everyone go

2693
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:40,799
Speaker 3: watch The Crowded Room. I personally loving it with my wife. Honestly,

2694
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 3: like I I barely watch TV shows, if I'm completely honest,

2695
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 3: and it's because I like something that makes me think

2696
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 3: and reflect and you know, and entertain me at the

2697
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 3: same time. Sure, And I think it does a brilliant

2698
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 3: job of doing all three. Like it's gripping, I'm like

2699
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what's going on next nice at

2700
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 3: the same time, like's it's amazing watching you being able

2701
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 3: to be this very different character to what we know

2702
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 3: you as. Sure, And that's really impressive. So even even

2703
01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 3: on a performance level, I'm like, I'm forgetting that you

2704
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 3: are Spider Man nice right, Like, And that's that's how

2705
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 3: I watch movies where I'm like, can I forget right

2706
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 3: who this person is and or are they playing a

2707
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 3: caricature of themselves? Obviously, And with you, I'm like, I

2708
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 3: don't even think to think it's you right right, right

2709
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:27,679
Speaker 3: right now, I'm talking to you, and I've been watching

2710
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 3: the show. I'm like, oh, it's not in the same person. Sure,

2711
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 3: And that is really really impressive on a performance standpoint.

2712
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 3: So thank you so much, best, I really appreciate it. Yeah,

2713
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,000
Speaker 3: thank you, Matte, thank you. If you love this episode,

2714
01:54:38,440 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 3: you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to

2715
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 3: be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose. Our children

2716
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 3: have become less imaginative about how the problem solve imparents

2717
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 3: and coaches have become more directive and trying to tell

2718
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 3: them how to behaviorsus teaching them how to behave